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Matthew Chapter 19: Bible Study by Atheists · Sacrilegious Discourse - Bible Study for Atheists

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the end?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what we're doing today?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the last time we read a regular Matthew chapter, it was chapter 18.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, fuck was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and in that chapter, Jesus suggested that some people should wear millstones and sink to the bottom of lakes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And tragically drown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And tragically, that drown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he had a child that he brought into the group and said that everybody should be like children, or the lolly, or whatever the boy was getting at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be like the worms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there were some kind of uncomfortable things said in front of the child that I feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With regard to what he was saying, it didn't feel quite right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't feel good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we covered some of that in the Q&A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But um, there was a lot and I didn't like the chapter that much, but that was that was Matthew chapter 18.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sure spoke was and that means that today we're going to be going to get it into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Little Maddie chapter 19 and he's going to tell us all about divorce rights.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't go into this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could not go into this without revealing that because I had to sit on that and now you have to suffer too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's to this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's hop into Little Maddie chapter 19.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, when Jesus had finished saying these things, you know, all the things he has been saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The red friend things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck these, fuck those like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I wonder if he walked across the Jordan without a boat probably because I I feel like if you if you've you've shown people you can do that You should just do it all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus so flashy
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there go Jesus is walking on the water again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know how Jesus be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Large crowds followed him and he healed them there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all the don't tell anybody, keep it on the down low.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some Pharisees came to him to test him as they do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which he never does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He refused.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's always refused.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He won't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He refused to show signs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But now they're testing him by asking him questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're always trying to catch him out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They asked, is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the set up of that question is wrong, for any reason, no, well, no, for every reason, no, but for any reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are specific cases where it is allowed in the Old Testament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the question is a set up for fail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More importantly, why the fuck does God care?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why does God care about my pants?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's just take away the pants aspect of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's go into, this is my relationship with another person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if it's not working, why should I feel compelled through some, is this a, because, because of a duty to God, because man is supposed to be God, it's some sort of like whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, pick me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's to subjugate women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so that men can still get that sweet, sweet pussy whenever they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then tell her to bring me a sandwich.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just so we're clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is that that literally is it's about keeping women as property.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but like this is one of those things that I'm it bothers me that it's in the Bible at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It bothers me that it's in the Bible, but it further bothers me that there are some states that would try to pass legislation if they could get away with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that women not be allowed to divorce their husbands and that they get rid of rape in cases of marriage because marital rape they say isn't there isn't such a thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what this is about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about keeping women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what Ann Ann is just it immediately says,
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[SPEAKER_01]: even in the New Testament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We knew this in the Old Testament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've gone all through the Old Testament, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even now, in the first book of the Old Testament, we're saying, women fucking suck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, they're the lowest of the low of the low.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't give a fuck about their rights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have rights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're property.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I know where we got to the actual statements from Jesus yet, but I don't like the way this is going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're like, can people get divorced?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there any good reason?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Jesus and Redprin answers the question, haven't you read the at the beginning?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The creator quote made the male and female and quote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have read that actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And said quote for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and the two will become one flesh and quote so that they are no longer two but one flesh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Period, definitely not liking where this is going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why then they asked did Jesus command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Say that one more time why then yeah the Pharisees asked right did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away Okay, yeah, I'm curious what Jesus is answered or this is what what's Jesus going to say?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right Jesus replied in red ink.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay Moses permitted you to divorce your wives plural your wives
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[SPEAKER_00]: because your hearts were hard, you fucking Israelites, your hearts were hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why Moses allowed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you guys sucked, so you were allowed to divorce because you sucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but it was not this way from the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife except for sexual immorality and Mary's another woman, come into adultery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So can I move a little, what is, read those exact words again, about the sexual immorality, specifically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but I want to mail this down because there is something I'm very curious about here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was not this way from the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife except for sexual immorality, and Mary's another woman commits adultery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have a God, Jesus, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Telling us that anyone,
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[SPEAKER_01]: by which he means man, a male person, because he says then next, who divorces his wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because she fucked around or was raped by somebody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that obviously implies that the woman cannot divorce the man for the same fucking reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which obviously, we still don't give two shits about women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: According to this, apparently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, obviously, men are allowed that there was no only fuck your wife clause.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're allowed to be sexually a moral quote unquote a moral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a man,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And apparently he seems to be somewhat okay with multiple wives, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he didn't really crack down on that bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The disciples said to him, hmm, if this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, well, shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would anybody get married under those rules?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can't divorce your wife for any reason, like, you're trapped for life, like, what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, I see where they're coming from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, that's stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if she's a bitch?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if she throws pots at me every night?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if, what if,
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if I don't want to be married to any more, you know, for whatever reason, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're telling me if I throw out that, well, it was, it was a similar story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the, the, the, the phrasing that the, that Jesus is using here is similar to what was stated in the Old Testament, but it's not exact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems a little bit more harsh here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go back on on what I was saying for just a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In some ways,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is to protect women from being tossed aside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we did talk about this in the Old Testament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In some ways, this was to protect husbands from throwing out their old nags for a new younger wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's also why
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[SPEAKER_00]: Children can only be declared Jewish if their mother is Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it has nothing to do with who the father is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has to go through the mother and that is to protect the women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to be clear, we're talking about about a very misogynistic society.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these rules are...
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[SPEAKER_00]: there because this is the males or the only ones that he's like men are in charge but they are disgusting horn dogs who do be fucking and they do be throwing women around left and right and so I'm not gonna fix that situation I'm God or what the fuck ever and I could fix it
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[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, I'm just going to let men continue to be in charge and to be discussing horn dogs that throw a woman around left and right and fuck upside down up one tree and down the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to allow that situation to stand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I am going to say, but you're trapped with your wife forever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just throw her aside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to be so like this is translated into so many terrible things with like even in the U.S. up until what like probably the 50s or 60s or 70s, I don't know exactly when it changed, but it was almost impossible for a woman to get a divorce from a man in the United States.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it wasn't until the 70s that a woman could get a credit card or open a checking account without her husband's permission.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this all basically stems from Christianity, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the this ugliness that is in the Bible,
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[SPEAKER_01]: has deep undertone just to how it is translated into our society, and even still today with the repercussions from generations ago, you know, because it's still is very relevant today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why we read the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have because it does, it's meaningful to what is happening now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like because Jesus doesn't care that men are controlling folks and because women are chattel in the Bible and because we still operate that way and because our country would still pass laws that enforce this and because women could not even open a checking account on their own until the 70s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we're reading the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, when people ask like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Among many other reasons, but yes, that's specifically with regard to this chapter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, they're like, fuck me, I'm not getting married then, I'm just gonna play the real thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Jesus replied in red, not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For there are unix who were born that way, and there are unix who have been made unix by others, and there are those who choose to live like unix for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one who can accept this should accept it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he's saying, if you choose not to get married, you have to live not fucking though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what he's saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's saying, you need to live as though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got nothing in your pants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I would interpret that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you can choose not to get married.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine, but you don't get to still be a horn dog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I don't think it's said that anywhere in the old testimony you just making shit up now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the men would be right to say, I don't think it's the way the way I read the old testament with regard to men and women and Marion and sex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And all that is that men can have as much sex as they want as long as they're not
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[SPEAKER_01]: according to God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even then it depends on if, you know, they were in town or out of town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But beyond that, women can't do shit because if you've already had sex, then you're you're out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's so many like women had so many penalties with regarding like with with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: dealing with the idea of sex and marriage and all the things go with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless, of course, your bathsheba, then you can just have the king kill your husband and then, you know, go screw the king.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which I don't know that she wanted to, we don't know what he cared about that aspect of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, they did turn it into a sweet, sweet romance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, for movies and stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted her and pointed as finger and said, well, I'm going to fuck you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the way that went.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but moving on, then after we just talked about sex and stuff, yeah, then people brought little children to Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: put him to place his hands on them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's great for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a night age.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this feels gross, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just got done talking about sex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's bring in the kids now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, because I got to leave my hands on them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the disabled, you know what, I apologize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We should not be making jokes out of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: what is a horrible situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's dark humor, and it is how I deal with trauma and dark situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I apologize if that came off as offensive and this, I don't know, unsympathetic, like, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but it is very relevant to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is very relevant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Currently in our politics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, so then people brought little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the disciples were built him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you repeat Jesus?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's your teacher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you be rebuking him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just walked on water and team storms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really feel like they thought he was Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they thought he was too easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says he is, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they're always questioning him and they're always like, I didn't see you do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who they didn't?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he wouldn't be a miracle in front of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The disciples, his, his disciples, his students.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they also always questioning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus answered their rebukes, let the little children come to me and do not hinder them for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When he is really helping him, he really wants these kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why he wanted the kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels weird though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to say about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, right after we talk about divorce, it is a weird transition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And knowing from our Q&A, also that children are of the lowest status and that basically it's hurting back to when y'all wake all everybody, you're fucking warm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's like, get over here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You little worms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, now we're talking about eternal life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He answered him read.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you ask me about what is good?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is only one who is good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, which ones he inquired I mean, I'm curious there's 10 keep them keep them all But there was two sets of 10 and then also all the shit Jesus is okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, listen Listen, he's a keep the commandments even knowing that there were two sets of 10 they overlap I think there were like a total of 12 so keep the 12 and if you talk about laws But he's not saying laws.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's saying keep the commandments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's 12 which ones don't
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[SPEAKER_00]: all of the, all of the 12, whichever copy you have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're doing our live and inferences know the commitments included, all of the mosaic law.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is interesting because if that's the case then Jesus was actively breaking was it Yeah, yeah, and some instances to prove a point with regard to his holiness or whatever So that question is very relevant actually actually actually the Which laws do we need to keep which commandments since you'd be breaking them left or right over here with their fucking
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[SPEAKER_00]: getting, getting greens, picking greens on the fucking Sabbath in shit, which if we're saying that commandments encompass the entirety of mosaic law, not just the 10 or 12 or whatever that we're on, most of this is little stone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we need their question as relevant, which ones, because you do be breaking them left or right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You also told us that, you know, we should ditch our fucking family or mothers and fathers, which is specifically against
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I mean, like, there's so many things here that if I were a person, you know, quote unquote following Jesus or wanting to find out about eternal salvation from Jesus or eternal life or whatever the fuck it is, I'd be like, yeah, what what's the deal, man?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Yahweh was pretty specific and we didn't always do it right, but his laws were very clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he gave fucking measurements on how to build shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I'm not saying it was easy and I'm not saying that we always got the day of the week right and sometimes you know we got smoke because we picked up sticks on the wrong day or whatever, but they were pretty fucking clear generally speaking, but you're like coming in willingly and saying I'm not changing anything except for those and these and that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So follow up on our discord.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just gotta say one more thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Fern Fern says there's the mosaic law and then there's the world law which is not what she's a supportive but repute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we did talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it was the traditions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the ones that the Pharisees were like real stuck on like we are going to follow these because we've been doing it for like ages.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jesus is like, but that's not that's not written anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like indirectly he's broken some of the actual written balls from the Old Testament, too, at least at some level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes, there's a lot of that oral tradition, but like the the Mother Father thing, that that's a little questionable work to learn how he did that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Working on the Sabbath, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that was pretty clear cut.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't fucking do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People got smoked for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sorry, but Jesus is not cool with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it is, it's definitely worth someone asking the question to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, totally totally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a bad question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, okay, so which, which commandments are we supposed to keep now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jesus replied in red, you shall not murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You shall not commit adultery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You shall not steal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You shall not give false testimony.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On your father and mother, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I tell you to mention something right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And love your neighbor, love your neighbor as yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and the dude says, all these I have kept.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do I still lack?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What am I doing wrong?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I good?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We good?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus answered, if you want to be perfect, go sell your possessions and give them to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven, then come follow me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's problematic for the, yeah, every past or ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Joel Austin specifically, the, the, the, um, shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do they call the prosperity?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Prosperity, Gospels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're supposed to sell their airplanes and shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not a real question if, if you're.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not sewing everything right but this this part of the Bible is dismissed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, because you know, he had to get fixed later somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It gets fixed Jesus being cute here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, oh, that's just a parable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, wait, I thought we were saying it's all literal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it is except for when I say it's not right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, when the young man heard this, he went away sad because he had great well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, what if he was using his wealth to support like soup kitchen helping the poor think there'd be stipulations for if you were doing good things with it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But parallel not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, get rid of it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care what you're doing with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I suppose though that would be getting rid of it at some level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, yeah, it depends on how you go about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Jesus said to his disciples, truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who was rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was this where we get the camel through the needle thing or what it is it is again I tell you it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who was rich to enter the kingdom of God Yeah, I wonder if all the rich bucks know that they do That was a very fit like I knew that lime I didn't know that that was in this chapter for when we started this right But when we're discussing what we're discussing I know that line
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, how do they think that they're, how do they dare?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do they dare?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because someone else has explained it away and made it work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, well, we can, because everything in the Bible is cherry-picked by whoever, if you want to see things a certain way, you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, you know, there, none of these, even Jesus is taking the Bible the way he wants to take the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Pharisees are taking the Bible the way they want to take the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every denomination of Christianity is taking the Bible the way they want to take the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is no consistency to the beliefs from one person to another, let alone one sect to another.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you just believe whatever you're told to believe and that's what your belief is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's no possible way that any interpretation of the old and new testament combined could create a solid religion that would match anything existing today.
22:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you throw enough spaghetti at the wall and you can mix and match, you can, you can all
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but then that's what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what I'm saying, like, I feel like if every religion really took the ultimate test, they wouldn't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: None of them would pass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: None of them, including Jewish religions today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying the old and the new test.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I feel like nobody that lives by either of the testaments, none of those religions would pass scrutiny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They went up against.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've been here with me all six years of doing this, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How many contradictions have we covered?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so how could any one person, group of people, religion, you know, whatever, how could any of them be right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can't, they literally can't be right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the only way that you can legitimately, in my opinion,
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: believe in a God or this God or whatever is to take it on faith in your own interpretation and just believe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay if somebody believes, but there is so much bullshit and there's so many contradictions and so many things that don't work if you match them up against each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you can't tell me these words in the Bible are the way of the Lord.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus keeps making me like try to explain y'all way to him like as though y'all way was the end all be all and like don't I keep saying don't make me defend and explain y'all way to you you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just realized like, Jesus and Yahweh are supposedly the same guy, but they're so not in both of them are trashed at Easter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every when we're getting mad at Jesus because He's not Yahweh and right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's something wrong with the fucking book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you even Yahweh?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I had somebody share something with me, friend of ours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They shared the apparently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are, there are religious energy drinks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you, y'all way, energy and fucking, I mean, like, it's, that's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I need one immediately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I told him I was like, dude, I need to get some of that to try and sample on our podcast, see if we can like, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said this is some holy energy up in here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sense a special episode of coming up We should do a sampling of Religious Yeah, that will be so fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right anyways So Jesus is like rich people can do it
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, as they should be, and asked, who then can be saved?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus looked at them and said, with man, this is impossible, but with God, all things are possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that seems like a contradiction in and of itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's not possible with man, you're a man, so it's not possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, does that make sense?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's basically saying you're gonna fail, but you should try.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead and keep trying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you suck, so don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are a fucking worm, never forget.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, see, some y'all weigh hold over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This still comes in every once in a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are a fucking worm, never forget, keep trying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, maybe God will make a, you know, pass for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Peter answered him we've looked everything to follow you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What then will there be for us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what the fuck Jesus?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We get out of this shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like hold on, hold on, hold on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were promised like that we might not see anything like here on Earth but like something in the afterlife is called like we were promised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now you're telling me the man can't do shit about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I guess we're fucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like why am I even following you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like bullshit, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like listen, I think Peter was right to be a little bit like the fuck Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Jesus fucking Christ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, then Jesus answers and we're gonna bring this home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Truly, I tell you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He truly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At the renewal of all things, when the son of man sits on his glorious throne.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is apparently Jesus, according to Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You who have followed me will also sit on 12, 12 bones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've been elevated quite, so this is not the apostles obviously, the apostles have been elevated to fucking almost representing God level here, representing the tribes of Israel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, yeah, represent what all I didn't realize we had like a command structure in heaven, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But apparently we do they all get chairs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is this boat?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only 12 chairs, so like what is Moses do up there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is what is he's got they got different thrones elsewhere They have other job Everybody got thrones, relax But what do they do there is enough for everybody and then like so what is Moses just like beats rocks all day or what like what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moses was never judging.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just there carrying his little robo Elijah's just playing in the fucking wind Elijah is there with his Um
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[SPEAKER_00]: he's got the attendance roster because he was about the profits and Moses has the rule books because he's about the law, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the 12 judges, they're the ones that they judge the people that come in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is pretty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like this picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the thrones in the books that they're all carrying, this is pretty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he continues on and everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But many who are first will be last and many who are last will be first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The children the the lesser the, you know, sell all your shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Seller your shit join our call today and you can be saved too Operators are standing by to take your call First 20 colors get a free fucking cross and and if you call now we'll throw in a free throne sure I'm sorry a free cushion free a throw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the throne itself definitely all right
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[SPEAKER_01]: that was something this was I guess I hate it I hate it so much I don't hate it as much as the last chapter, but but we like there was there was no transition time between the fucking what was the first of all the divorce thing yeah and then the the rich thing was slash high in the needle and the kids came in at some point like it was so that that was a disjointed
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, merging of ideas then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that whole message that he had at the end for this guy that was like asking questions and Peter's shit and Peter's like what the fuck Jesus?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're leaving us hanging in the wind here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't approve of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Peter didn't either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, one out of ten.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Peter Peter pumpkin eater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is not a fan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll give a three out of ten.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Peter's not a fan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that was Matthew chapter 19 sure fuck what sorry I forgot for a second and that means how many are we doing before we get to a Q&A now, do you know, okay, so we're not looking to that we're in a stretch of five chapter, oh, and I don't know if I'm going to do 19 20 and 21
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[SPEAKER_00]: or if I'm going to do just 19 and 20 and then a Q&A and then do 21, 22, 23.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling like this might need two chapters and then and then I'm free because I don't feel like I had a lot of questions in this this this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't we'll see after the next chapter um it's just going to depend because we're going to have to do a two chapter and a three chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know which one we're that third chapter when you're feeling like we got to stop in the next time we are doing a podcast we're going to be doing little Maddie chapter 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll see you then.