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Full Episode: Rodney Scott of "Chef's Table: BBQ", GRAMMY-winning Artist Jody Watley, ABC News Correspondent Rebecca Jarvis & Jennifer Barrett of Acorns App · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: on the show before, I made him doing the pandemic
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  Speaker 1: watching Netflix. He's roight this guy, right this guy, James Beard,
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  Speaker 1: Award winning chef, pitt Master and founder Rodney Scott's Whole
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  Speaker 1: Hog Barbecue operated restaurants in South Carolina and Alabama. Rodney
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  Speaker 1: has continued to expand his acclaimed brand of South Carolina
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  Speaker 1: style barbecue and has been featured on popular TV shows
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  Speaker 1: including The Today's Show and Netflix here Chef's Table Barbecue,
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  Speaker 1: among others. Their plans to expand it to Atlanta. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk about that because you know they come down
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  Speaker 1: to Atlanta. You know, I gotta roll down there and
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  Speaker 1: give me some fixing that you know it's barbecue, then
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  Speaker 1: there's fixing. Because I'm from the Houston texts, I know
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  Speaker 1: about them fixes. As well as two more locations in
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  Speaker 1: Alabama this year as well. He's here to talk about
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  Speaker 1: his first book, cookbook, I got it on my desk,
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  Speaker 1: Rodney Scott's World of Barbecue, Recipes and Perspectives from the
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  Speaker 1: legendary pit Master. That's my man right here. He's on
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  Speaker 1: the show. Please work on the money makes conversations. Rodney
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  Speaker 1: s guy, how you do right there? Man? I'm doing great.
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  Speaker 1: He's some pleasure to meet you. It's a pleasure to
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  Speaker 1: be here, pleasure to speak to you again, should I say?
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  Speaker 1: And uh, we we've survived so far in this pandemic. Man,
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get past and Rod. You know, Man that
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  Speaker 1: when I first called Man, I just saw your Netflix Man,
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  Speaker 1: and it was it was it was an interview of
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  Speaker 1: just joy because uh I got a slice of its
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  Speaker 1: humanized you. You know, you know, you know people in
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen, they chef, they barbecue, and they they some
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  Speaker 1: of them talking noise, some of them are humble and
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  Speaker 1: and just watching your story. Man, How what how what
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  Speaker 1: would the impact of your appearance on that Netflix series
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  Speaker 1: Chef's Table Barbecue Netflix last year? Man? That that that
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  Speaker 1: appearance on Chef's Table was a huge impact on our business,
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  Speaker 1: um a huge impact on on our staffs as well
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  Speaker 1: as me as a owner, co founder, human being period.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's been an amazing ride. It It
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  Speaker 1: kind of made me go to the backboard, sit down
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  Speaker 1: and suck it all in, you know, take it in
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  Speaker 1: slowly and enjoy the moment because a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: skip over it and I wanted to save her every
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  Speaker 1: moment that I could. It changed my life completely, well,
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  Speaker 1: it changed my life from a standpoint of just watching
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  Speaker 1: an African American man, because you know, it's really interesting
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  Speaker 1: how we look at business and how we look at
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  Speaker 1: what it's success and what you can do because you're
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  Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, you're businessman, and sometimes people see it, don't
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  Speaker 1: see that lane. They just see as a barbecue guy,
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  Speaker 1: cook or a chef. But you're in a business, you
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  Speaker 1: employ people, and so you can get stereotype what people
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  Speaker 1: say as a career, this is a career for you.
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  Speaker 1: This is a you're that you're making money, You're you,
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  Speaker 1: you you, you, you have boys, you have a beautiful wife,
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  Speaker 1: and you have you're sustaining up a very positive lifestyle,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a career for you. So do you get
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  Speaker 1: caught up in the stereotypes of people thinking, oh, he's
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  Speaker 1: just a barbecue guy. I do get caught up as
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  Speaker 1: just being a barbecue guy. And I find it very
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  Speaker 1: amusing because people pre judging under estimate what you know
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  Speaker 1: because of what they think they know about. So it's
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of amusing to me for them to see different. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: For example, I walked in the restaurant one day and
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  Speaker 1: he thought I was cutting in lines, like where does
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  Speaker 1: this guy go? And then once they saw me go
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  Speaker 1: like behind the counter and everybody started saying, hey Rodney,
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  Speaker 1: it was a totally different look. So, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: find I find a little bit of music and they
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  Speaker 1: kind of understand that you're not just a guy shoving colds,
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  Speaker 1: that you're trying to grow a business. You're trying to
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  Speaker 1: grow a brand, um, you're you're trying to give people
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  Speaker 1: opportunities to employment. They kind of see you a little different,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, for me, that's been a great experience out
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  Speaker 1: Like again, I find a little amusing when they just
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  Speaker 1: think one thing and find out so much more. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and watching that Netflix here, your father saw
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  Speaker 1: you a little bit different because he you had ideas
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  Speaker 1: and he didn't want to change, and so it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: until his illness that you was able to start implementing
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  Speaker 1: some of your ideas, which has led to the great
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  Speaker 1: success that you have now. Talk about that transition of
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  Speaker 1: being in the person because that was his brain, that
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  Speaker 1: was his business. But you can get stuck in your
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  Speaker 1: ways and saying I've done this all the time works
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  Speaker 1: for me, Why should that change? And it's I guess
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  Speaker 1: it's opened your eyes to being able to for new
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  Speaker 1: ideas and to listen to other people as well. Correct, correct,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all that's been un experience and a learning
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  Speaker 1: experience to see how my dad behaved and how to
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  Speaker 1: carry myself. Trying to show people what we're doing and
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  Speaker 1: how we're doing it, and people get stuck in their ways.
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  Speaker 1: I get that, you know, they feel like if it
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  Speaker 1: ain't broke, don't fix it. But also I've learned that
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  Speaker 1: don't get so stuck in your way that you can't
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  Speaker 1: hear other ideas or hear other you know, possibilities of
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  Speaker 1: adjustice to what you do. So for me, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: been a learning experience going through what I went through
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  Speaker 1: with my father to learn how to carry myself better
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  Speaker 1: than I've been carrying myself or the way that he
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  Speaker 1: carried himself with new ideas or creations. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the thing about it is that he gave you a start.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's the that's guess, that's the blessing of
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you're having a family that was
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  Speaker 1: in business because we as Africa Americans, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: don't even look at it as as anything that's passed
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  Speaker 1: down to us. And this business was passed down to you.
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  Speaker 1: It was something you learned, but earlier only in life.
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  Speaker 1: You know. One of my favorite stories and netflix was
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  Speaker 1: when that we graduated high school and the girl said,
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  Speaker 1: are you gonna do it? Just go down and cut ups? Hawks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and guess what, that's what you did midnight. You went
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  Speaker 1: down that cut ups. But again, that's a stereotype, correct, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that is that is the stereotype. You know, people underestimates.
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  Speaker 1: She she didn't see me doing anything else but just that,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, once she heard and saw so many different
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  Speaker 1: things happening, it was she was amazed. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think she even remember saying that to me, because she
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  Speaker 1: sent me some congratulations notes a couple of times, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I wanted do you remember telling me that
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  Speaker 1: that day? And she's always been that that extra influence
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  Speaker 1: to I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show you and
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  Speaker 1: everybody else who thinks like you, And to this day,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's my thought. You're not gonna tell me what
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. You're not gonna limit me on my
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  Speaker 1: dreams or the things that I or my goals period,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And that's what we're talking about, goals. And
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  Speaker 1: you come on money making conversations. So many people have dreams, Rodney,
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  Speaker 1: so many people have aspirations of greatness, grandeur as they say,
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  Speaker 1: and but but then but that hard work is what
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned that and you have you have sons. How
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  Speaker 1: do you implement that approach to you know, they see you?
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  Speaker 1: Because brother, in the end, them colds are hot, and
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  Speaker 1: them barbecue pitts are warm and they're longer. I was
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  Speaker 1: turned out to get to this food that everybody savors
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  Speaker 1: or comes back and lines up for. How do they look?
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  Speaker 1: How do you how do you teach them hard work?
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  Speaker 1: But also they're living in Like I told my daughter,
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  Speaker 1: I said, you you've never known not living in the
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  Speaker 1: air condition And you know you you came, you were
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  Speaker 1: born in the hospital, you came home, and then a
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  Speaker 1: condition to call you. You known a condition all your life.
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  Speaker 1: So then your boys have known that same air conditioning.
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  Speaker 1: So because we know where at first, you know Pitmaster
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  Speaker 1: Place was located at. So talk to him about your
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  Speaker 1: side and we're gonna get to the book after that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I got three boys and the youngest lives
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  Speaker 1: here will be at home, and the other two are
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  Speaker 1: older and eighteen ones in Atlanta there and another one
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  Speaker 1: still in himy with South Carolina, and the youngest one
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  Speaker 1: here with me, twelve years old. Just yesterday I was
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  Speaker 1: telling him. I was like, look, here's what we gotta
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  Speaker 1: do to get to that great burger you got. First,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta make sure the girls clean. You gotta understand
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  Speaker 1: that there's labor involved. You gotta get everything going before
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  Speaker 1: you enjoy the food. And I try to implement to
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  Speaker 1: him that it doesn't just fall in front of you
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  Speaker 1: on the table. You gotta start. You gotta gotta put
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  Speaker 1: in some time, some efforts, some extra work. You can't
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  Speaker 1: play video games and all of a sudden come downstairs
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  Speaker 1: at and be ready to eat. And I try to
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  Speaker 1: teach him the hard work, the fact that when I'm
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  Speaker 1: away from home that I'm not on vacation. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we're trying to build things. And I try to teach
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  Speaker 1: them how to be a better man than I could ever. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're a great man. And look good in
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  Speaker 1: the suit too. They showing Netflix do don't fool you
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  Speaker 1: this young man walking around the suit suit fits him,
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  Speaker 1: jazz right, fits him, jazz right. Good. Have some brother,
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  Speaker 1: But let's get to this cookbook here. Rodney Scott Broler,
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  Speaker 1: bob que because soon they say, you know a big
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  Speaker 1: time Rodney. They sent me a book. Okay, sent me
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  Speaker 1: a book. So soon as the book arrived and right ups,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I immediately went to the corn bread. I
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  Speaker 1: go to the glosstery all the time. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: this boy, here, country boy, this country boy. Because I
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  Speaker 1: go to her. I went to your restaurant. I saw
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  Speaker 1: corn bread. But now they're putting us on College green.
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  Speaker 1: So I said, he'd better have the corn bread now,
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  Speaker 1: or I went to the corn bread section. Man that
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  Speaker 1: that honey butter topping that you put on your corn bread.
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  Speaker 1: I made this the same day I got this book.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, because my wife, here's the funny thing about it,
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  Speaker 1: writing I don't use cast ice killers. My wife always
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  Speaker 1: you need to learn how to use killing. So she
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  Speaker 1: so here's the funny part about it. So I took
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  Speaker 1: a picture of when I made the corn bread, being
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  Speaker 1: right from and I put the put the honey butter
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  Speaker 1: on top, and I cleaned up this cast skiller. It
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  Speaker 1: was in the background of my photo. So all she
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  Speaker 1: saw was I see that cast skillet behind you. I
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  Speaker 1: guess you winning the house and find it, because that
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  Speaker 1: made the difference man. That cast asking talk about this
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  Speaker 1: corn bread man, Like I said, I posted them on
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  Speaker 1: social media, got a great response. I'm gonna post some
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  Speaker 1: more stuff like the colar greens. I'm over there and
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  Speaker 1: get that blueberry corn bread. We're gonna talk about a
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  Speaker 1: lot of little menius and a little restipanes in there.
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  Speaker 1: But let's talk about that corn bread first off, because
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  Speaker 1: that was my love. Because I'm telling some rotting. I
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  Speaker 1: get excited because I'm an old school guy. I take
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  Speaker 1: some buttermilk and see, buttermilk comes in this corn bread.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a win win for me because normally I
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  Speaker 1: take that. I take some butter milk, put in a
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  Speaker 1: half a glass, sweet it up with sugar. Then I
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  Speaker 1: crumpled me some corn bread inside. That is outstanding for me.
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  Speaker 1: So I was happy, happy, happy on this. But was
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  Speaker 1: about this recipe and the cash dins killer man. So
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you about that. That recipe. That cornbread
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  Speaker 1: takes me back to my childhood with my grandma. My
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  Speaker 1: grandma used to make that corn bread, but she used
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  Speaker 1: to use Jiffy Nicks back in the day, and that
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  Speaker 1: cornbrea used to be sweet and so tasty and thick
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  Speaker 1: and you know, back then, she used to sometimes give
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  Speaker 1: us a little bit of uh kine patch syrup, and
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  Speaker 1: it was this old school serrup that she would kind
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  Speaker 1: of put on the side every now and again. And man,
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about a good night at Grandma's house. That'd
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  Speaker 1: be some good eating. And I wanted that corn bread
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  Speaker 1: so badly. And we got with our chef, head chef,
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  Speaker 1: and we talked and I told him, I said, man, Grandmama,
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  Speaker 1: just cornbread. That was amazing. We need to develop this
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  Speaker 1: thing together. And we came up with that flavor. And
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  Speaker 1: before I tell you anymore about that Cornbret, I gotta
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  Speaker 1: tell you my mom, my aunt, and my cousin who
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  Speaker 1: was ten years older than he, came in and they
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  Speaker 1: tasted that corn bread and they said, where did you
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  Speaker 1: get Grandma's recipe? So when I know that they were
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  Speaker 1: satisfied of it, I said, yeah, we were hitting home.
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  Speaker 1: We were hitting close to home. And you know, a
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  Speaker 1: cast iron skill it cooking that corn bread, and the
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  Speaker 1: cast iron skill it is a lot easier in a
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  Speaker 1: sense because the heat is even all over and that
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  Speaker 1: thing just bakes right in there. Man, all that flavors
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  Speaker 1: in the area. You add that honey butter to it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, you you don't know what you're missing until
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  Speaker 1: you had that corn bread. I got, man, I'll just
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  Speaker 1: tell you something then then you then you flip the
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  Speaker 1: script on the brother. Here the Roscoes blueberry corn meal
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  Speaker 1: pound cake. Yes, I know you said this boy crazy.
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  Speaker 1: He's just going through this book, just making everything. I'm
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  Speaker 1: tell you something, man, we're gonna talk about then don't
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  Speaker 1: get to the college green. But let's talk about the
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  Speaker 1: Roscoes blue I've never heard that in my life, man,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, some people use that corn meal like
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  Speaker 1: you do corn meal and flour and just make the
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  Speaker 1: corn bread all right, and it gives you that cake
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  Speaker 1: like because people are either they go this take like cake.
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  Speaker 1: Well you got flower in it with the corn meal.
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  Speaker 1: But did you fix the script man with this blueberries?
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  Speaker 1: Come on, now, how did you think of that? Well
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  Speaker 1: we were in Birmingham and Roight still worked for us
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  Speaker 1: at the with us at the Birmingham location, and one
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  Speaker 1: day we were just sitting there talking about it. This man,
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  Speaker 1: this thing is almost like cake. I said, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: reminds you that strawberry uh shortcake used to get sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, man, what about blueberries. He said,
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  Speaker 1: you like color blue? Like, yeah, I didn't, So you
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  Speaker 1: know it, man, I said, just make it to let
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  Speaker 1: me know what you think. And he did and low
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  Speaker 1: and behold, man, I was like, yeah, we're gonna put
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  Speaker 1: this in the book. We're gonna share this with the world.
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  Speaker 1: Let him know. But just cornbread can come in several
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  Speaker 1: several different ways. One of them is gonna be blueberry, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And there you have it. You know, blueberryes are sneaky man,
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  Speaker 1: sneaky good because like blueberry pancake and I love the death.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a guy that I can't just
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  Speaker 1: eat a blueberry, you know, but you put it in,
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  Speaker 1: you put it in this corn bread, you put it
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  Speaker 1: in this pancase is outstanding and so so so. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the thing about you, Ride is that you're a visionary.
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  Speaker 1: Let's gonna be real about it. That's you know, because
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  Speaker 1: you checking idea and you expand it because your father
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  Speaker 1: had a vision. But you're expanding on that vision. Now
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  Speaker 1: you're expanding it into other states and expanding your breath.
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  Speaker 1: What are you trying to take the world, barbecue man,
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  Speaker 1: But you try to try to be a barbecue k sir,
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  Speaker 1: I am trying to take over the world. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to spread the love everywhere because whenever you find a barbecue,
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  Speaker 1: you find people in a good mood, people having a party,
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  Speaker 1: people enjoying themselves. So I was like, why not spreading
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  Speaker 1: this love all over the world as far as we can.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if it if it's me, it is absolutely great.
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  Speaker 1: If it's somebody else, it's it's just as good. You know,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's let's put it in as many places as
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  Speaker 1: we can. And every time I think about should I
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  Speaker 1: do it in this state? Should I try it in
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  Speaker 1: that state? And I say to myself, why not? Just
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  Speaker 1: just let's do it. And my goal is to spread
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  Speaker 1: to spread this love, this Rodney Scott whole all love
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  Speaker 1: all over the world. And and I hadn't stopped dreaming yet.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm gonna keep on drinking. But the
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  Speaker 1: beauty of you now is that you your celebrity. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You know when you walk down the street, people recognized
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  Speaker 1: you're walking through, especially walking your establishment. They let's me
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  Speaker 1: that's right. So so so, being a celebrity means you
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  Speaker 1: have a brand social media, you post things, people engage
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  Speaker 1: with that talk about that, you know, and that means
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  Speaker 1: other people have. Everybody has a bright idea for you now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, back in high school then might have no
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  Speaker 1: idea for you at all. Everybody has a bright idea
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  Speaker 1: for you because you just that that that's right here
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• 15:27
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• 15:29
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• 15:32
  Speaker 1: team that keeps your focus, to keep you organized and
• 15:35
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• 15:38
  Speaker 1: about my team. My team is amazing, and we got
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: age groups that's even better. You know. Nick Backs is
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: my my partner, and this thing, you know, we came
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: up with the idea. We sat at the table. He
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: was like, let's create a Rodney Scotts and I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 1: you're crazy, And little did you know that I would
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  Speaker 1: ever do it like this, And we decided to do it.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: And along with Nick, his son Nicholas, and my man
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  Speaker 1: Paul Yak, our head chef, we put our heads together
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: and we just kept coming up with these thoughts and
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: ideas and they helped to keep me humble, to not
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: worry about every little thing. You know, when I say,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: hey man, I gotta run over to such such place
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: and check this, They'll say, I'll do that for you.
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  Speaker 1: We got that you take your time and focus on
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. So they've made it well rounded for me.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Nick has this thing you call the balancing we where
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: you have yourself, your family, your finance, your business, your brand,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: and you got to balance that thing out. You know,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: you gotta stay healthy in order to stay in this
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: whole operation and enjoy it at the same time. So
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: we all make sure that we balance ourselves, our personal
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: lives and everything together. And this team that I have,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: they make sure that all of that perfect for me,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: that that my background with the restaurant and my personal
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: life don't ever you know, one doesn't ever take over
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: the other. So they've they've been super great with that.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: You know, it's really important that we talk about this,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: you know, and thank you again coming on money making
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: conversation talking to Rodney. This guy he is the king
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: of barbecue. I know it. I got my boy Kevin
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: blessed so in l A. You know he ain't rodding
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: this guy before, right rodn That guy he out there
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: populating the states, the cities with the with the whole hall,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the whole hall. Now, tell us what is the whole hall?
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Come on the rodney, you brag about it, I'll see
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: it on TV. I can tell you right now, I'm
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: not messing with that whole hall. Tell us about the
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: whole hog experience. Why it is on fire wire. It's
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: popular when they go to these, uh, these barbecue shows,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: these competitions talk about the whole hawk and then talk
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: about South Carolina style. What makes that different? You know
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: that whole hog is we we like to describe it
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: as a difference you can taste. And you know, you
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: go to certain restaurants, you'll see that they have shoulders
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: or hams, and that's not the whole hall. When you
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: get uh, the ham, the lord, belly meat and some
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: shoulder meat all mixed together and you put it in
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: a bit, you you got that whole hog right in
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the palm of your hands. You taste every corner, every
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: cut of that whole animal. And it's a different taste.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: And it is the difference you can taste. Once you
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: taste the whole hog and you go back to a shoulder,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: you you kind of understand what I'm trying to explain
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and the way that we did it. In South Carolina,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: we did the whole hog with vinegar and pepper. Right See.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I grew up on the southeastern part of the state,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: closer to the coast, and vinegar pepper is the thing
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: over there. And you know, we use the white vinegar,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the crush pepper, pepper flakes and some people call it
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: uh black pepper, cayenne, some sugar. That's basically a sauce
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: that we put together in that part of the state.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And in South Carolina, man, you can go to him
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the way right now and say I need a whole
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: hog cook, and twenty people might jump up and say,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I can do that. That's what we did in my area.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: That's what we did growing up. And you know, I
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I've traveled in different places and people say, how do
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you cook the whole animal? I think they're amazed by it.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: And my whole thing is, look, if you can't do it,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I'll show you, let me, let me do it for you.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: And before you know it, they find out how many
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: people can eat from it, how many ideas can go
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: around it. You can put grids and pork together, you
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: can build a tacover this thing. I mean, you got
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: all these options with this, with this whole hall. So
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it's always been a treat in a in a big
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: thing to do in my area. And when other people
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: see it from different regions, man, they're they're amazed by it. Well,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: first of all, I'm amazed that because I'm from Houston, Texas.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: So I got a nephew. He has a barbecue stay,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a real popular called Big Six Barbecue, Houston, Texas. Tality
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: kid mix his own sausage and and I tell him
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to follow you. I tell him what my man riding
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: didn't watch what he does, and he's he's doing very
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: well in the Houston market. Now. But back to you
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: in regards to what I see you do you expanding
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: now in Atlanta market? Now? You just kept all over
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: with the Birmingham you know, you went from South Carolina,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: skipped over Georgia and in Alabama. Now now we sit
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: down here in Atlanta. Now, I'm kind of wardering when
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the whole hog experience when I could
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: just drive to it, not just order via mail or
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: ups are fed X. Tell us what the Atlanta experience.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Talk to us now, brother, when you're coming right in Atlanta, Atlanta.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to you as soon as possible.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I've been trying to get there since last year. But
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: here we you know, here's a new year where we're coming.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: We're a lot closer, hopefully by this summer. We're counting
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: on July if we're lucky, to have things open at
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Metropolitan Parkway. UM. The building is looking great. Uh, most
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: of the construction is in. UM. We're trying to get
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the windows in the furniture going. And those guys are
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: out there. They were they were getting it, and this
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: was last week when I checked on them, so they're
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: making some progress. So we're trying to get that whole
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: hog to Atlanta at least by the summer, hopefully no
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: later than July. Now, now, can one order things on
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the mail or through fed Ex? Or do you ship
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: talk to talk to us about the whole operation now,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I know you're based in South Carolina and Alabama. Can
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: we order to go online and order things get delivered
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to our house? Uh? You can? You can order our
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: food online. Uh, not our food itself, I'm sorry, but
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: our rubs and our sauces are available online now, our
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: t shirts and our some hats is what we have
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: available online right now. We're trying to work on that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Process is seen about getting the food kind of where
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you can order it and with shipping too overnight. But
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure though. You know a lot
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of times that when when you send your food out
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you wanted to be right. You don't want it to
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: be shipped out there and you're not ready for it
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: right right. You know, that's very true because it's like
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the experience because you know there's a lot of people
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: are microwave your your bobecue. You know, Oh it's tough,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you know, and then because you gotta tell people how
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: to do it. You know, you gotta put in the
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: other put a little water underneath it, you know, make
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: sure it stays juicy and stuff like that. But you
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: you you're sending it across you know they're going to microwave,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: they're gonna zapp it. They're gonna zapping and then they're
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: gonna go get some of that barbecue salted. The guy
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: from Kroger's not saying, bobus, you know that ain't your salt.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, they got that on there. So
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you're trying to maintain the right stuff because of the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: fact that that sauce. Now, I would tell you right
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: before my interview, I dropped in a baked potato. See,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I would just tell I just love this book. He
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: has a book, The Loaded Baked Potatoes. Dropped it because
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: they're gonna stand there for an hour put in four
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: hundred degree. Let'll tell you how I do it and
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: so but I don't. But now you the great thing
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: about it is that in your book you tell us
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: how to make the rod this white barbecue. So tell
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: us about that white barbecue sauce that I'm gonna put
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: on this Come on, now that Rode his white barbecue
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: sauce was like, Hey, you plan to go to Alabama,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you need a white sauce. And I'm like, man, you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: we'll get to that bridge when we crossed, you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden we decided, you know, can
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: we make a twist on this sauce. And I was
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: like and and we decided to make a white sauce
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: with with the South Carolina touched to it. And you
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: know that sauce is great on chicken. And in Alabama
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: is where I learned that white sauce is right on chicken.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And the first thing I said was, we gotta have
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: something for the person that loves white sauce us and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and and here it is, man, and we put it
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: in the book Man. And then and then I closed.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I got a closed as well. First, I want to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: tell people it's a cookbook and it's a story, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: so I do. I've just been staying on the recipe
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: side of it. But it's also a great read about
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: your life, the important people in your life, the the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the transitional moments that you had in your career. Why
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: was it important not to do a cookbook kind of
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: like memoir? Its kind of like that's what it really is,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: by different perspectives in your life that were very important
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to who you are today, instead of just doing a
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: basic cookbooks. Rodney, Well, you know, um, when we were
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: writing this cookbook, Uh, my man, lowless Eric Eli hats
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: off to this man. He he walked me through the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: steps of helping me write this book, and uh, we
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: were just we're just going over everything, and I said,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you know what that recipe at that time had to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: do with me being a child at this age. And
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: we started telling a story about each recipe and then
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: telling that I was like, yeah, but that I remember
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that day didn't go as great. And before you knew it,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: we were talking about my complete childhood and and he
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, you know you're gonna tell this story?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And I said yes. And all of the things I've experienced, good, bad, ugly,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I said, I think the world should know that, you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: these are things that I've been through. Maybe somebody else
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: has been through the same thing, and hopefully they can
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: learn from this and feel better about their situations, to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: move forward, carry on, to be optimistic about whatever things
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: you encounter. So I decided to tell my story and
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and and I have absolutely no regrets in telling everything
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that's in that book. But the thing about the beauty
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of this book is that a little bit little background
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: about me, this that uh, you know during the pandemic
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: is where I met you doing the pandemic during an
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: interview on money making conversation. I bought a building in
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Atlanta and this one acre property and that my one
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of my dream was I to have my own vegetable garden,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: uh on my property in my office because I got
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a built in kitchen. And I'm launched my show next
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: month called Rushawn's kitchen. So you know I'm gonna cook
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of represents when I cook your recipe and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: my how your book sitting right there, tell everybody just
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: came straight out of Rodney, Scots World of Barbecue book
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: right here, credit given. That's how I do it on
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: my show. And so I have. I got lettuce back there,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I got the cherry and the beef steaks, tomatoes, I
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: got ocra back there. I got seedless water, the Royal
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: seedless watermelons. I got my parsley, and I got my cilantro,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and I got my uh colleague greens. So in my
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: hall opeenions can forget the hallepeenis yellow and white anions
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: as well for my pika guy, because I'm a text
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: max food now. So when I saw your book and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I saw colleague grees, I just smiled, knowing that I'll
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: be pulling my collar greens right out my back of
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: my building. Bro Foo, I will tell me right you
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: said you did you put the rode the sauce on
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: top of the collar green. Tell us about that, man,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Come on, bro. So me, growing up as a kidd,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: colar greens was not one of my favorites. So I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: always I always wanted to, uh uh stay stay true
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: to the barbecue game. And besides that, come with the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: barbecue game. And my my partner Nick was like, hey, dude,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you gotta put collar greens on this menu. I said, dude,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a fan of collar greens. And
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: he says, how do you How do you know if
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you never had your greens? You need to create a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: favor that you enjoy. And I'm like, man, I'm telling
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: you I don't like no collar greens. But I tried
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it so many times growing up. And he said, well,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: look at the list of ingredients that we think that
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: you should put in there. And I looked it over
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I'll try to sing.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: And before you know it, I tasted those greens with
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that sauce in that pork and I said, you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I could do this, and I was surprised. The first
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: time I ever tasted it where people could see was
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: on that chef's table, and I was like, oh, man, okay,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I've been missing out on these colar greens for a lifetime.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And I said, we need to put this in the book.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: We need to put these greens in there. And they
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: smell like the way my mama used to make them.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: They I guess they taste like my mama would make
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: them hamaks. And got the ham hocks in there, yes, sir,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you know, put that whole hamm up, you know. And
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: uh when when we did it like that, I was like, Okay,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: these these are not so bad, and I wanted to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: make sure and put them in there to hopefully inspire
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: some kid to taste those colar greens growing up. Opportuation
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: man right there and George talking to you. I also
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: got some cabbages playing it out there. So I'm gonna
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: do the cold slawers in the book too, So you
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: you already know I'm gonna be this book gonna be
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: like kind of dirty when I finished with it, you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: after do something that's what I want. But I want
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: some memories in there, you know. I want some memories
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: for you. And that book not just nice and pretty
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: on the shelf. Open that thing up. Well, you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I always enjoyed talking to the second time. You just
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: feel like a friend. Man. That's why I can't wait
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to you. Open the place man, so I can come
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: down and come to come by my office and I
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: show you for real that I wasn't joking, And show
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you my garden and show you my kitchen, and I'm
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: gonna make the corn and make your corn Brett right
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: in front of you and that cash stass killer, because
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that's a blessing to be able to have somebody's talented
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you that you can show off. He said, he had
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: me showing off to you. You know I can do this, brother,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: You know that. Come on, Thank you, brother, thank you.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: But more importantly, man, your book's amazing, Rodney Scotts World
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: of Barbecue. Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations again, Rodney,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: oh man, thank you for having me. And I might
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: have to come by that office and let you do
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the cooking. Absolutely, don't don't worry about that. On the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: fried chicken with the pepper and come on, brother, this book,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: kid is crazy good. It's crazy good, and I forgot
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: to talk about it now to putting. But we're't gonna
• 28:45
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• 28:47
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  Speaker 1: I am Rashan McDonald, host of Money Making Conversation dot com.
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  Speaker 1: The Cafe Marca Swag Award is a celebration of Black
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  Speaker 1: new HBO Max movie Charm City Kings with rapper Meek Mill.
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  Speaker 1: But he's more than a teenage actor. Where all of
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  Speaker 1: My next guest, she's one of my favorites. She makes
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  Speaker 1: me laugh, she makes you smile all the time. Is
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  Speaker 1: Jody Watley. She's a Grammy Award winning, trend setting pioneer
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and music video, fashion and style. Jodie is listening on
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  Speaker 1: Billboards Top sixty Hot one hundred female artists of all time.
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  Speaker 1: She's Top twenty five dance artists of all time. She
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: became one of the first artists to release a million
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  Speaker 1: selling video, Dance to Fitness. She was the first woman
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  Speaker 1: of color to play Rizzo on Broadway and they hit
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  Speaker 1: Musical Greece. She is an entrepreneur and she's celebrating the
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  Speaker 1: thirty fourth anniversary of her breakthrough Grammy Award winning solo
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  Speaker 1: album and the mega hits like I'm Looking for a
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: New Love, Don't You Want Me? And Still A Three
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and Please Walking the money Making Conversation before we get
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  Speaker 1: out of hand, joy girl, Come on, how you knowing?
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  Speaker 1: My friends? I'm great, great to see you and being
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: here with you on money Making conversation. You know. It's
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: really always a pleasure to your images always shine, you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: And I always tell people are you know I talked
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: about that earlier in my intro about age, because people
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: stend to start saying what they can't do when they
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: reach a certain age. Talk give people advice about that
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: journey and that that limits yourself, specially your friends and
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: your family can stop you too, you know, and your
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: loved ones can stop you to talk about being able
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to overcome the odds. Basically, sometimes it's just you look
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: in the mirror stopping yourself. You know. That is so true.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: And one of my mantras is just live life. Forget
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: your age, don't worry about what people have to say
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: about you. Just live and and be your authentic self.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And I think if you get up on age, it
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: really will prevent you from um, you don't know what
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the exuberance the new goals. Um. You know, life doesn't
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: end until it ends. And so I'm a big believer
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and uh, and that's why I'm always so exuberant, you know.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: With the end of I'm just mad, absolutely, And it's
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: not about trying to dress young and not trying to
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: act young. It's being topical. It's about being able to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: live life. And it was my staff. I always said, Richard, look,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you know, act your age from a standpoint, how I walk,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I address, how I talk, And I watched television. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: watch television. I like I want King Kong, I mean
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: in Godzilla for the second time with my daughter, you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: because I just liked them know different things and like
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the experience of the thing. Then I turn around watch
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Captain America on Disney Plus. And then I turn around
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and watch different types of movies, different types of sitcoms,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm in tune it with the news that's going on,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: a social injustice and COVID nineteen. And that's really what
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: we're talking about. Still aware, correct, yes, absolutely being aware,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and also always having that you know, that inner child
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that should always be within us to continue to learn
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and grow and explore and be excited. It's like, get
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: excited about being alive, being here, having new opportunities. Each
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: day is a new opportunity. And to let your light shine.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: You know, if I was saying before, what it is,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: you're like, don't let anyone, damn it, reduce it. Keep
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: your light shining, you know. And I wanted to get
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: you back on the show because last time we talked
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: was in September and we were still was you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: kovie was still wrapped around our neck, but we're still
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: were starting to see some light and you know, live
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: live concerts were basically the live event in general will
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: shut down. Everything was virtual. You really can make money virtual,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and so so the Tory industry was just put on hold.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: And so now we're kind of COVID vaccine. I will
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: tell everybody I've been vaccinated twice, and I'm not putting
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: that pressure on anybody, just like you know, that's what
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I did. I just felt that I wanted to take
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: control of my life. I didn't have control of my life.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I still wear masks, Jody, and I still do the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: hand sanitizer. But still I feel a lot more comfortable,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: not that I've been vaccinated. I feel like I when
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I when I get the sniffles. I don't think there's
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen okay, you know exactly. And I just had
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: my first dose and I posted a little short clip
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: on my social media, uh first dose last week, And
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: like you it's like being in control of something that was,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: you know, out of our hands and to encourage others
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to to do you know, do let's do our part
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: to get beyond this. I'm still masking too, and I
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: will continue to double mask even though even after I
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: get my second dose um, because I'm comfortable with it now,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you know, and so and why shock hands and Santa
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: It's it's to me, it's a way of life now.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: But I feel, like you said, it's like when you
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: get the sniffles or something, you won't think, oh my gosh,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you know, uh so yeah, I got those one and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: it really hurt like crazy though that it's the only
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: thing people, It's like I got I gotta fight fighter.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: What did you? Which one did you get? Because you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: so they don't tell you to get there what you're
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: gonna get? You know, you said you won't show up.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I want mcdonna. Well they go, you don't know, just
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: get in lie when you get a lot and tell
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: you when they hit you all listen Johnson Johnson. They
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: don't know. But all I know is that, you know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: just you know, it really did change me in the positive.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna Jody. When I got that the first one,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, you you don't realize how much stress
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: you under walking around? You know, people coming up to you.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Some people might come up to you mask, some people
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: come with you. Remember the mask don't guarantee you. You
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: know this. You look at CDC. They have changed the
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: rules every other day, you know. And so when you
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: get food, you go shopping, did you touch the grocery basket?
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: When you get gas, did you? Did you? Did you?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Did you transfer the possible gerve to your stern wheel?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Did you? Did you? Did you? Don't know. It's just
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: so many things that that come into play. Then now
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about but I am still
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: cautious because that's the way we're gonna live for the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: rest of our lives. We're gonna be and a hand
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: sanitizement because they said flu flues are down, flu hospitalizations
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: are down because we are sanitizing because we are more cautious. So,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: like you said, it's not gonna change right now. I
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: think it will be the lifestyle. And you know, I'm
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: uh hand sanitizer. I have alcohol wipes in the car,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: so when I'm going to the store, it's like, you know,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I've got gloves and sanitizing the gloves and so you know, constantly.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: But you know, like you said, and I never even
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: had a flu shot. And so initially for people that
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you know, you remember when we were little and it
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: was manned or you had to get the vaccine at
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: school and kids would be crying and passing out. And
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: so that was the last time I'd ever had and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I still have a scar on my arm form that one.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: You know, as someone who hates needles. It was, you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: to anyone listening, it really it goes so quick and
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: it was just like a little sting. And then I've
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: never been so I never thought I would say I
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: was actually relieved, like you said, to to get you know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: step one, and then I have the second one. But
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: for a vaccine, you know, but it wasn't it brings
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: a little sense of peace with it, you know, because
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: it has been stressful. Well, you have to get vaccinated
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: because some things are happening for you. Girl with the
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: National Museum of African American Music in Nashville, so you
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: got to come down to Nashville. Here pretty soon before
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you come down to Nashville, U was appointed as the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: first ever ambassador for the National Museum of African American Music.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of those people up there, I
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: put the beauty. The building is beautiful, by the way,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful building. So tell about tell us about
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: how you got tied into it and what are some
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: of the responsibilities being the ambassador of the National Museum
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: of African American Music. And in all it's uh session honor,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: you know, needless to say, um to be appointed as
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the first ambassador, and it really um, you know, being
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: recognized for you know, being a trendsetter in music, my longevity, uh,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: my endeavors as an artist, humanitarian and a lot of
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the things that I've done over the years, and UM,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's important to to be someone who's
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: always known for being you know, well spoken, prepared in
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: all of those things. And so uh you know, I'm
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: sure that went into the decision, and so you know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I encourage memberships and um reading information about the museum. UM.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: So far there's over a d artifacts and more to come.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: They have interactive galleries, UH, they have educational programs. So
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: it's perfect for music lovers of all ages. UM. It's
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: not even not expensive, and for anyone who proclaims to
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: love African American music and love us you know, it's
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: not a race thing, but anyone can support the museum
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: and the memberships. Uh, you know, fifty dollars a year
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: is really you know, uh doable a month, roughly four
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: dollars a month, that's what you were talking about to
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: support our history and it is the only history of
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: its kind in the world. And um and so, like
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I said, for me, it's an honor to be the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: first ambassador. You know, there's a on the general tron
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: in front is at least going uh you know, you know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: it's really a beautiful I look at my career, I
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: look at the people I've involved in and I used
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the word career because you have a career because you know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: there a lot of people get opportunities in this business.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: And you know what I'm talking about his life I
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: look at and stay relevant and you're you. You managed
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: to stay relevant and also have a career at the
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: same time. And that's a scary part because you know,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you started out so young in your career and now
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you look at it now. So to talk to my
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: my viewers and my listeners about you know, longevity and
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the word career. In the words of Jody Watley, you know,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: longevity is the key because you know you can have uh,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: it sustains success, is what it's all about. And I
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: think with the decision making, uh, with being a professional,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: with seeing the big picture. Um, it's it's us has
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: always been really important to me as opposed to doing things,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: you know, for you know, quick fame or quick glory
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: or a quick dollar. Um. And so to anyone listening
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and watching, it really is always look at the bigger picture,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: even when no one else you might be the only
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: one in your circle, might not have a circle. Uh.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: And people may try to talk you into things that
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: are very shortsighted, but you always have to have that vision.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Longevity is the greatest thing no matter what your profession is,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: but especially in the music business because it's so you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: fickle and um. And so I've just really worked at
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: my craft and also been able to expand you know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I'm a songwriter as well, uh and so to have
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: songs that I can still sing or songs that still
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: get played on the radio. Um. You know, past and
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: present is everything. But think a lot of people get
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: caught up in them and and I'm very much live
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: in the moment. But when you're having your career. You
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: gotta think in the long term and not the short term. Wow,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: because I know that. I remember when I first walked
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: on stage doing stand up comedy in college and and all,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: it was just it's just an idea. I don't know
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: why I was on stage, but I just knew how
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: something I wanted to do At what point in your
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: career because you were just blessed with gifts, you know,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and God. I always believe God gives us all gifts.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: It's what we do with those gifts and how much
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: work we put into following that dream or opportunity. When
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: did't you realize this was something that you could do
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: versus something that you was given opportunity to pursue. In
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: other words, you can make money off this, you can
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: live off this. Then comes to challenges of like I said, sustainability,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: great question. Um. You know when I was first starting out,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: like I said, I always hope that you know, it's
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: like giving an opportunity, um, being prepared because my dad,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: you know, arrested soul. He used to always talk about planning, preparation,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and purpose, and so it's kind of ingrained in me.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Uh So, when opportunity was ready, was presenting itself. I
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: was ready for it. So within the opportunity is how
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I handled it, How I handled the adversity, how I
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: handled you know, learning from mistakes and always using the
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: knowledge to to improve my situation. You know, starting out,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: you know, not really knowing about the business of music,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: but learning the business of music is more business than
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: it is. You know. They call it show business for
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: a reason. Business part is and a lot of people
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: get that wrong as they get caught up. And I'm famous,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and I never cared about being famous. I can tell
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you that I always wanted to be you know, uh, perform, armor,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: have my own business, um, design club. Like. I always
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: had a lot of ambition, um. But I've always been
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: really level headed. And I think when I knew I
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: would make a living, it's just and maybe I always
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: believed that, um, but there was no one moment where
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I said I can make a living from this, right.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting when you say that, because
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you don't. You know, sometimes you just get in the
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: moment and then all of a sudden, you know, the
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: first part of it is just enthusiasm, you know, walking
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: on stage, seeing all these people, you know, you know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: it's almost you almost get caught up in it. And
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: so but you have to somewhere along in line put
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: those blinders on and slow down and go, Okay, what
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: do I want to do? And those are the tough
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: decisions that you have to make because it allows you
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: now to be inducted into the National Museum of African
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: American Music in June of one. If that's not a
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: great thing that happened post pandemic, because it couldn't have happened,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: tell us about getting that phone called, tell us about
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: you know, just putting yourself in. That's that's iconic. That's
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that's that's beautiful, you know. And tears actually and wishing
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: my dad would was here, but I know he's smiling
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: from above because he was the one that always, you
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: know and still so many you know, great principles and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: me and said, you know, I was gonna be a
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: star and all those things. But also at the same time,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: you know, remember only the strong survived. You Always, my dad,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: he used to get on my nerves because he always
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: had these pearls of wisdom and it's just like, oh
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: my god, you know, but I'm so thankful because it's
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: stuck with me. You know, it's stuck with me, and
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I think that's why the same part of it never
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: has really is to be proud of my work and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to um inspire other people. It's very important to me,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: and I think that I always hope that that is
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: the example that I continue to to set, you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: um and to to have it by being my authentic self,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: have the style that I have, and to have influenced
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: so many people, and to be recognized for that in
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: this National Museum of African American Music, It's just it's
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: just a blessing. Don't mess because you've got a lot
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: of looks now, Jody, Okay, now you've got a lot
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: of looks now. You know we can go back. Urt.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: You got the exercise look, you got that I'm looking for,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And so you got that
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: second time, you got that look. You've got so many
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: great looks. So so is it gonna be a wax
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: when I go up there in Nashville, I Am not
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: going to see a wax figure of you. I'm gonna
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: see a photo. What iconic look are they gonna have
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: for your display at the museum? And I can't give
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: it away? It is. It is Jody Watley and it's
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: one of my solo iconic looks, and um, I'm just
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: so like I said, I can't wait to see it
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: and how they put the installation together. But I've curating, uh,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: some of my most curate iconic pieces, okay for people
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: to see. So when they see it, they'll be like,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: oh my god. You know from the jumbo, who is
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I forgot to put today? You know? You know, it's
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: like that's Jody Watty. Oh my god. You know. So
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just so excited. It's unbelievable. And we haven't fun
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: because you know, and I'm just teasing you out of
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: this tremendous respect and trying to get a little inside
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: information on mighty made conversation. But I know the big
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: prize is being in June, being there at this celebration
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: with family, with friends, industry executives of other legends in
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: the building. I I've been fortunate to be recognized for
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: my my talents and what I've done in this business.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: And it's really kind of interesting, Jody, because you don't,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: you know, you live a life so fast and live
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a life so to the next moment. Sometimes you have
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: to you don't look back and realize that path of success.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: And I mentioned only a few things that you've accomplished
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: in your amazing life. So, like you said, when you
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: got the call, you were in tears. Now as it
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: gets closer, we're in April, made you Okay, it's a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: couple of months now, right. Well, you know that's the
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: thing too about getting the vaccine, because I haven't traveled,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: and I'll probably have some sort of PTSD, you know,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: just being and not really being around too many people.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I've really been in a in a bubble and so
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: so I'm excited to make the trip, uh to Nashville.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: And you know, uh, it's gonna be beautiful, you know,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: because you know people don't wanna be on that red carpet. Okay,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I gotta turn this way. You gotta turn this way.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: People gonna wanta want you to touch them. They're gonna
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: want you to do some selfies. Girl. You better be
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you better be maped up, get your little plastic sheel
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: on your face, You better your look. You design something
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, but you listen. But the blessed
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: it is thirty four years anniversary of you that that
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: that single, that that they put you out there and
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: made you a star at the next up let me say,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: let me correct it. The next level star. It's a
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: solo artist, because that's all we all but want, because
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: you could be in a group maintain success, but you know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: you gotta kind of grow as a group. You gotta
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: train as a group kind of answers the group. But
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: when that album dropped, what was the most defining moment
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: for you at that time? Oh, you know what before
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: winning the Grammy Award for Best New Artists, when the
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: single started taking out my first the day you single,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: looking for a New Love, and when it started taking off,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and and Joe Busby who signed me, who was just
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: so amazing and uh had so much confidence in me
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and allowed me to present my authentic self. I said, Gerald,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I just you know, I want to beat Jody Whatley.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be marketed as formerly. I just
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: it's Jody Whatley, Jody Whatley, and this is how I
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: want the visuals to be. And so he really, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: we all need someone like that, and he was the one.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: He just gave me the freedom. But then galvanized the
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: company um and the single right away it just started
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: taking off, and you know, I was going kind of
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: like a politician. I mean, Gerald had me going across
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: the country shaking hands and meet and greets and you
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: know and fish fries and at the Pine and I
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: was meeting everybody, you know, and was happy to do it.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And so there was such a positive anticipation and um
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and they loved the song and then they just really
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: um connected with me with the grassroots effort that was invaluable.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: And I just I never in my wildest dreams I
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: thought it was good, you know, but we all think
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: our work is good and great, but it just it
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: just took off, like just like God just made it happen.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: You know, you was our girlfriend. You know, you was
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: use our girlfriend, you know, buddy, you know somebody because
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you were natural. You know, it was nothing overblowing about.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: You just saw like somebody we could walk up talk
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: to you. That's why he put you in those those
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: natural environments where people can see you just like there.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: You just have some some talent that God gave you
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: that now you're sharing in the music. Now, before we go,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I got to talk about your signature line. You know,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: we know it's about money making conversations entrepreneurship. I don't
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: want to get lost in the induction is great, their announcement,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: the ambassadorship is great. But we know we're about to
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: roll into this June event. We're about to announcement the
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: new arrival of some of your signature line, your home life,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Body Miss, and your calm com for different things. Let's
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: talk about the things in your shop. So we in June.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm you know, I'm gonna coming with you.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to come up there and be with you.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: But more importantly, I'm gonna promote all these things and
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: trying to create a uh Galvinnie send you because a
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: lot of media is gonna be around you in the
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: month of June. So let's talk about your entrepreneurship background,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: your signature homeline. So the candle line, the signature line
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: is Luxury soy candles, clean burning. Um. You know, I've
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: always been into personal wellness. That goes back to the
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: fitness video, dance the fitness UM. So it's just a
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: natural progression. So uh, we have calm and comfort and sanctuary.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: The body Miss just coming, that's a new it will
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: be here uh in May and time for Mother's Day
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: even I'm doing a conditioning beard oil for men. Come
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: on that girl. You know I gotta get some of that.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gona teasing Jody. I'm going to buy. Don't send
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: me nothing. Tell me when it's the link out. Now
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: you have to link I can buy now. Yeah, the
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: the oil is not there yet, but this it's Jody
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Whitley shop dot com is my online store. Okay, let
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: me know when the when the all for the for
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: the beard comes out, because I'm gonna buy. I don't
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: do that, you see me free still no, no, no,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: you you're my people. People take care of each other.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: We family. Let me. I'm gonna buy. I'm gonna buy. Sorry,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: so I can tell everybody I got all of my faces.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I'm good to come on. Come on, i'nna dancing in
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: my seats. Come on, that's what I want. Because the
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: thing about it is that so just as Jody Whiteley
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: net false last shop. Correct, that's that's that's the show.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Just go to Johnny Whiteley shop dot com. That's the
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: actual story. Okay, cool, that's that's amazing, that's beautiful. So
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: so and so, with the number of things we got
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: coming up, you got some some beard all for people
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: like me, ru Sean McDonald who's trying to look good.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: This one, little Jody on him, Little Jody on the
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: body missing and life and Candley your wife, and just
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: you know, something for everybody. And I'm gonna continue adding
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: products and it's all natural and organic and you know
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: it makes you feel good, smell good and look good.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Oh my good. You put a little song over there.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: But before we go down, you were just I was so,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I wonder what this in the g J Cassidy you
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: was involved with. He was featuring in the video Believe
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: with DJ Cassidy. Yeah, I did one of his past
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the mic series and um and that was fun. Everybody
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: loves those, you know, he gets people to sing along
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: with some of some classics and uh they are fan
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: favorites and I had a lot of fun doing that
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: with him. And that's all I was saying, you know,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: being being topical, being relevant, stand you know, not limiting
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: you who you are by staying relevant because of who
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you are. That's that's that's bring it back by home.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: But again, I always have a great time talking to you.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: You know, we gotta talk to you. What I'm not
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: gonna do is ignore you going down, going up to Nashville.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna bring out a little schedule, Sean mc
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: don't bring you back on in June so we can
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: celebrate the induction on air. Money making conversation. We're gonna
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• 57:39
  Speaker 1: gonna do all these things. But you're fantastic, and when
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: you come back, we gotta have that kitchen war conversation.
• 57:43
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• 57:48
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• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you put some of this stuff on air, please thank you. Well,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We're gonna bring the castsation next big nextion.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: So again, Jody, thank you for coming on wan to
• 58:00
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  Speaker 1: Now as chief Business, Technology and Economics correspondent, True reports
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  Speaker 1: for all ABC News programs, including Good Morning America, World News,
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  Speaker 1: She's on the show to discuss the latest ABC News original.
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  Speaker 1: It is an in depth look at the Joe dropping
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: stock market, twisting turns, and the study chain of events.
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  Speaker 1: Now synonymous with the name game Stop, please working the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: money making conversations. Rebecca Jervis, Hey, what an introduction. Thank
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you for having me. I love what you're doing here.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: It's fantastic. I love the conversations you're having and helping
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: people really figure out the building blocks of success. So
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: thank you for what you do, and thanks for having me.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Well great because you were both storytellers and uh and
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: when I read your stories and like I told before
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: we got over there, I was just saw game Stop.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I tried what I try to do my interviews I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: try to watch what I'm read a book the day before.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: She just showed the movies the day you know, with
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: there the twenty four hour cycle that with everything is fresh,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not writing notes trying to remember something. And but
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: before we get started in and I gave all these
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: but let's learn about your educational background. Can you tell
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: us a little bit about you how you got to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: start from from an academic standpoint which led you to
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: ABC through CBS. Yes, fantastic, great, I'm glad we start
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: there because it is such an important place to be.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: And so I grew up in Northeast Minneapolis. I grew
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: up my mom is a journalist, she's a writer UM,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: and my grandfather was also a journalist. And I always
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: wanted to do that as a career. But they both
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: told me, if you start that as a career, you're
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: going to be graduating from college with a lot of
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: student loan debt and you will not be able to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: pay it off if you start out as a journalist.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: So I went to college at the University of Chicago.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I always gravitated towards math as a kid. I loved math.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I also liked writing UM and I ended up studying
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: economics in college and then immediately pursuing jobs early on
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: out of college and investment banking. And the reason I
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: share that is that for me, I was graduating pretty
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: significantly in student loan debt. I had about thirty dollars
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: in student loan debt at my graduation, and I in
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: part chose investment banking and a career in finance because
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: for me, it was going to be away that I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: was going to be able to know that I could
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: make my student loan payments. I didn't have a financial
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: safety net, so there wasn't anyone else who's going to
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: be paying those student loan payments upon graduation. And I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: did that job for about two years until I got
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: to a point where I felt like I could comfortably
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: continue to pay down my loans and pay them off,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: and then started at that point pursuing journalism jobs. Well,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: those jobs have led you to all these shows that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: you now respected and cover. But isn't that a lot
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: of pressure or a lot of a clear understanding that
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: people come to you for the facts and so did
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: you have to do your due diligence and your homework
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: and you have to have relationships? They tell you this
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: is the fact ride with it. I'll run with your story. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And just like you you know you mentioned at the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: top of this program, you do your homework, You do
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: your research, and I spend a lot of time digging
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: into the data and the information and looking at numbers.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: A lot of my work today is spent reading research reports,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: and especially in the early days of my career starting
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: out in finance. One thing I tell a lot of people,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: um they asked me what the best way to get
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: into journalism is, and for me, the best way was
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: not necessarily going at it directly. It wasn't starting out
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: and applying to newspaper and TV jobs right away. Instead,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: it was having that financial background that both lends me
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: credibility today when I have to look at complicated pieces
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: of financial information. And that's certainly something that we did
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: with Game Stop um the documentary you mentioned at the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: beginning that's now streaming on Hulu that chronicles the rise
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: and fall of the Game Stop stock price and the phenomenon.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be able to look at the stock market,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you really do have to have um or. At least
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: for me, it comes in handy to have a background
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: in it and to really understand it. So starting out
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: in finance, while it wasn't directly walking into a newsroom
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: and starting out maybe as an intern or a junior
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: level reporter, it allowed me in some ways to fast
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: track my career so that when I did start applying
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: for journalism jobs, I was coming into a newsroom with
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: some credibility around this topic that I was going to cover,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: which ultimately today is now business, technology and the economy.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: But in the early days of my career was really
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: business based, and I could go to UM editors and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: this is what I did. I cold called. I was
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: in Chicago at the time, and I called up business
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: editors in Chicago and asked them out for coffee, and
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: I talked to them about their job, asked them how
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: they got to where they got to. And I would
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: go to each of those meetings with some ideas pitches
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: for them, story pitches, and at the end of the meeting,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I would always say, I have some ideas that I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: would really like to share with you UM, I'd be
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: interested in in writing them for you if you ever
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: had an opportunity for that. And I would share the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: ideas and they were all based on things that I
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: saw in finance. And so if you are somebody who's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: on a path, especially to journalism, I think nothing beats
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: great story ideas. So if you have a background or
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: you're seeing things, bring those ideas too. And again it
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: can be cool calling. That's how I did it. I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: didn't know anyone, I didn't have a special leg up.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I just contacted them. I went on their websites, I
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: looked for the right person, I reached out. I contacted them.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: And another thing I would say about my story that
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: I think is really something that I encourage everyone to do.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Ask people to coffee without any kind of reservation. I mean,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: you don't have to have a specific pitch to someone
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: about why you're going to get to know them. You
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: can say, I'm interested in your industry, tell me more
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: about yourself. I want to get to know you. And nowadays,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, we can do this over soon. You can
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: do it over social media, you can do it on LinkedIn.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: All of these different platforms are entry points. And I
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: tell people the most important thing to focus on is
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: not who doesn't return your call, who doesn't return your email,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: it's the one who does. Because it only takes one
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: to land the job. That is going to bring you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: to your dream career. Awesome. Let me tell you a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: little bit about myself so you can so when we
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: start talking, you get a sense of where I'm coming
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: from from in depth, Okay, my degrees in mathematics, my
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: minders and sociology okay, and and so uh economics. I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: tried that degree plan. I couldn't get through. I couldn't
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: get through. I tried my degree plan and engineering couldn't
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: get through. But math was a natural for me. I
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: got that degree. Cool. Um. I have invested in the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: stock several different times. One I trusted myself and then
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: I went into the little little funds that's who. And
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: then recently I decided I'm going back to where I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: used to think I would pick the stocks that I
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: wanted to And I went to my mirleage is where
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: I do my stock and stocking net stock investment in
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: through and I said, this is the stock you want
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: to Well, we're gonna put you in the funds to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: know I want to do these stocks that I'm going
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: back to what I trust myself and my thought process.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: So I want to let you know I have some
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: understanding of the stock market. I'm arrogant enough to tell
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: people what I want to invest in, not saying it
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: may be the right, but I'm arrogant enough to say that,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: and so so when we start talking about game Stop,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: it's still It helped me a lot to understand what's
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: going on, But I also have some thoughts about Robin
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Hood that Apple, which which I really uh, you know,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: it was really interesting, Rebecca. I knew, but I was
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: on the outside of this story until I read I
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: saw your documentary. So it really brought me inside and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: let me know how this is the stock market really
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: is about everyday people. So we brought you into the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: story of game Stop. Um well, I first of all,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: thank you for sharing that background. I love that you
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: have that background that you're interested in, and I think
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: that's kind of where a lot of people are coming from.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: You know, I covered the financial crisis, the Great Recession
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: of two thousand seven two thousand eight, and what I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: saw happening in the uh financial crisis were so many
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: people looking at their savings, their retirement savings accounts dwindling
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: because the market was collapsing, and they sold. And had
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: they not sold in that environment, had they held on,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: they would have made their money back and then some
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: within three years. Those who sold in the financial crisis
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: were the ones who lost the half of their life
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: savings on average. And so to me, I'm always drawn
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: to these various events around the stock market that that
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: captivate and capture everyone's attention because I see a responsibility
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: in my role covering this for ABC News to be
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: someone who can remind people of history. And when I
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: saw game Stop in particular, a single stock that was
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: boosted by hysteria and excitement and this new trend of
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: people really spending more time online because of the pandemic
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: and having this technology in their hand via an app
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: called robin Hood, such that they could trade seven um,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: it reminded me of the importance both of the role
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: to make sure that people were getting good information, solid information,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: and then also to really want to help people understand
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: the difference between, for example, putting money into an individual
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: company like game Stop versus putting money into a four
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: oh one K or an i RA which is investing
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: its saving for the long term. Game Stop is more
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: the equivalent, and it's not just game Stop. Anytime you
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: put money into a single stock, it is the equivalent
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: of betting. It's the equivalent of gambling and walking into
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: a casino because if you're thinking of it in a
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: short term thing, a single stock can go up or
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: go down. You can lose money, you can make money
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: on a single stock. If you think about the stock
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: market as a whole, the collective stock market over time
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: historically goes up about seven person now one year out
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: of out of thirty. It might go down, it might
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: go up, but over time, if you invest for the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: long haul, that's the most tried and true form of
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: saving because over time the market does go up, but
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: you have to be in it for the long haul
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: to capitalize on that. Whereas with a company like game Stop,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: you never know and just the hysteria. I mean, let
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: me ask you this because I want to meet sure,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I'm on the same page with you about robin Hood. Now,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: I saw robin hood as an app, okay, an app
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: that you can go and buy stock on right. I
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: mean you could buy Intail, you could buy Apple, you
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: can buy game Stop. In this situation, am I correct?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: What was stealing? It's like okay, cool, okay cool. Now
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: that the problem we had with robin Hood was that, well,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: as you go through the story Game Stop was everybody
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: was buying Game Stop through the app, and they didn't
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: have the funds to cover to buy yes. So so
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: all of these brokerage is whether it's robin Hood or
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Charles Schwab or any other brokerage, when you use the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: app on your phone, they have to have enough collateral
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: to make sure that they can cover any trade that
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: you make on your phone. And there's an outside agency
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: that oversees all of this that make sure that Robin
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Hood and Charles Schwab and all the other brokerages are
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: safe essentially to do and conduct business in the way
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: that they're conducting it. Well, what happened is Game Stop,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: so many people were buying game stuff, and many of
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: them were using the robin Hood app to do it,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: but they were using all different kinds of apps as well.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: So many people were buying game stuff that it just
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: became explosive. It was larger than life, and that added
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: new risks to the system. And as a result of
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: those new risks, um robin Hood as well as a
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: number of other brokerages got this collateral hall which said
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: you have to put up way more money than you
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: have ever put up before in order to back these trades,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: and as a result, Robin Hood says, it made this
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: decision to restrict buying of game stock, and they did
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: this on January. And after they did this, you saw
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: the stock of game Stop plummet. It was like it
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: was going like this and then it went like that.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Absolutely because there's a couple of people on this uh
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: doing this special, like Jim Kramer. Okay, yes, okay, see
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: there's a there's another guy that's it's kind of like
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: he's the he's kind of like the the funny man
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: version of Jim Kramer who got everybody hyped up. He
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: wears yeah, that's the funny hats and everything. But I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: begged the different. I mean to see, I go way
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: back to I want to say I was writing knowing
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: me and the boys, but by eight five, between two thousand,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Jim Kramer was coming out of the box kind of
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: like this guy hyping stuff. That's when television, I mean,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: I was said, there Rebecca making decisions on BAM, making
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: decisions on office depot, making decisions on kmart stock based
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: on what Jim was saying. So I thought it was
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: kind of like ironic. Listen to him being an interviewed
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: and you did the same thing that this guy was doing,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: so much so that John Stewart called you out for
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: giving over hyped information on your show and he had
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: to come on John Stewart Show to say, oh, yeah,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I apologize, so to speak. And so so
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: when he was to be an interview I was like, Okay,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Jim Cramer, really you're gonna sit up here and act
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: like you weren't that version of this guy because we
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: as as as fans of trying to get information. That's
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: why I love this show, because I'm going, like, I've
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: been on this journey, Rebecca, I've been a game stop participant,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: just at a different time period because it happens all
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: the time. Because we it might not be as drastic
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: as this, Rebecca, but we still are led by a lead.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: All we wanted to lead. And when we look at
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: these people and they give us information that maybe right
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: or wrong, they do their little dentification. Don't don't follow me,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. Don't leave in but but bye,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: but bye. And so so, when you brought Jim Kramer,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: and what was the purpose of bringing him in, because
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: like I saw him as a different role because I
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: had a different experience with him, because he was a
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: younger version. He was an older version of what I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: was seeing now being exposed in this documentary. Sure, So okay,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: so I misspoke. I wasn't sure who you were talking about,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: and I thought you were talking about someone else. You
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: were talking about Roaring Kitty. So just some backgrounds. So
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: there's a person. His name is Keith gil but he
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: also has the YouTube name Roaring Kitty um, and he
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: has a Reddit name that I can't say here because
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: we would both get in trouble for my language. Um.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: But he is one of the first people who spotted
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: game stuff. Was treating only a few dollars of share.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: He thought it was something that had value. He talked
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: about it all over social media. A lot of people
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: started to follow of what he was saying and they
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: started pouring money in. And when he first started talking
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: about game Stop, it was about four dollars a share.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Six months later it got up to three fifty dollars
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: a share, And there was a lot of conversation on
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Reddit and other places on social media about the importance
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: of putting money into game Stop and this idea that
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: if all the sort of little guys decided to act
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: collectively together that they could really drive up the price
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: of game stop um. Full disclosure. I started my career
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: at CNBC in television and in business television. I have
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of great friends there. Jim Kramer is one
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: of them. But the reason that I wanted Jim Kramer
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: to be a part of our conversation for for this
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: story is because he has a front row seat. The
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: people who watch Mad Money on a regular basis are
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: many of the people who are investing in individual stocks.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: They're looking for that leg up, They're looking for that information,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: and I think it's really important to keep in mind,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: and I think this story is is illustrative of that.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Is you know, there's two sides to every position in
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: the market. There has to be a buyer or if
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: there has to be a seller in order for there
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: to be a buyer. And I think that's what's so important,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: is to at least know what you're walking into. So
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna put money into something and it's an
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: individual stock, you have to be okay with the possibility
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: that you could lose money. Now, maybe all the statistics,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: all the data that you're reading is telling you, you
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: know what, there's more upside than there's downside. Obviously you
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: you probably have to think that way in order to
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: put money in, but the reality is there can always
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: be downside. And when you use leverage, which is what
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are now doing, it's always been
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: the thing that hedge funds and the sort of big
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: money on Wall Street is always using debt. It's called
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: leverage to bolster their trades. So if I believe really
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: heavily in something, I can borrow. If I'm a hedge fund,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: I can borrow from a bank more money to put
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: into that individual stock, and that can help me make
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: money if the stock goes up, But of course I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: lose even more money if the stock goes down. And
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: what's really important to keep in mind here is if
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: you're an individual investor and you're using an app, then yes,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: you some of these new apps like robin Hood will
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: give you if you meet certain criteria, they will give
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: you access to that leverage. But it's so important to
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: remember that if you're using that leverage and the stock
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: goes down, you've not only lost the money that you
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: put in, but you're actually out even more money because
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: you're using debt to pay for your position. Well, um,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: First of all, again, like I said at the early
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: part of our interview, fantastic special kept me in And
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: this is why I was fantastic, because you brought in
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: individuals that you can share their little storyline arts about.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: You know, the young African American born who I did love,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: the death, the anonymous investing with it, with the dog.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: You know the dog. We can see the dog, but
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: we couldn't see him, Okay, so we gotta figure out
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: we know who you are, okay. And then then you
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: had the the the guy with the with the family,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: and then the the young lady who had the Hispanic guy,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: and then uh with the new new child, and then
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: you and then you have the uh young lady with
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: the grandma with the mom who's telling them to invest
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: to you know, why did you choose these? First of all,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: they're perfect perfect By the way, I'm just asking you
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: from a from a producers storytelling standpoint. They work fantastic.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Why did you choose them to make such a great
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: ABC News original? Thank you? Um, First, I really do
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: appreciate your your interest in the conversation and the and
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: the documentary. So We spent a lot of time looking
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: at the reddit boards, so again just a little bit
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: of background for people. A lot of these individual investors
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: who drove up the price of game Stop, We're spending
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: time on on Reddit having conversations. Now a lot of
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: people you don't have to use your real name on Reddit,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: so it was a lot of trial and error. People
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: at blah blah, whatever their name is on Reddit. We
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: would reach out and say, Hey, I'm with ABC News,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I'm working on this documentary. Do you have any interest
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: in participating. I'd love to get to know more of
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: your story. So of the people that you saw on camera,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: probably about ten people who had to do with, you know,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: did training of game stuff. We spoke to truly dozens more.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Um and I just was on the phone constantly over
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: that time and over email, constantly reaching out to people.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: And what was really important to me is that our
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: audience got a true representation of the type of people
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: and hear the back stories of all the different people
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: who invested in game stuff. And that's really you know,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: one of the things again that attracted me to this
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: was how widespread it was. It wasn't just one particular
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: group of people. People from all different walks of life
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: got interested. And I'm so glad that Jayden Carr, the
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: ten year old from San Antonio, struck you. We found
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Jaden because he invested in game Stop thanks to his mom.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: His mom wanted to teach him about investing in stock,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: and so for his birthday or rather, excuse me for
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: kwanza Um, she purchased a few shares of game Stop
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: for him so that he could see what it meant
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: to invest in the market. And she didn't do it
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: in the midst of hysteria and when everyone was talking
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: about game Stop. She did it because he liked game
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: stock and he shops at game Stop, and there's this
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: old saying invest in what you know, and that was
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: part of what made her think about game stuff for him,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: because he loves going to game stuff. So teach him
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: about investing through something that he loves. And I think
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: that's really as a parent, Um, I'm a parent myself.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: My daughter is not quite old enough to be an
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: investor yet she's too I don't know that she would
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: understand it if I tried to teach you right now,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: but I love that. I think that's really a great
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: way to teach your children about investing, starting with something
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: they know and understand absolutely. The thing about the event
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: is that I can you know, it's just like there's
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: golden them their heels, you know, people ran for the gold.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: They feel like a gold rush. It felt so like
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: different times in life. We see this the golden them
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: their heels. People rushed to the California and and and
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: they've risched their lives by going through dangerous Indian territory.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: So they might not risk money, but they risk their
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: lives to try to seek that fortune. So that was
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: the kind of like a period there and then and
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: then when you see in like in the eighties and
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: naming for the big bubble bursts in two thousand and seven,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: I was kind of there, you know, because that's when
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: television like the c NBCs came out and started showing
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: you people talk about stock and talking about how you
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: can advance in different ways. And that's when I got
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: introduced as an African American to that. I remember and
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Steve Harvey used to always act like we were stock experts.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: We said around talking, well, we traded over, we traded
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: didn't know nothing, you know, even though we were we
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: were we were one. I feel that this show, in
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: your documentary or your news original special tales about we
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: were just everyday people. We gathered enough information to buy
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: certain things based on a hunch and the belief that
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: this will return on our investment. And that's what this showed.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: If some people lost every day people, some people got
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: out early everyday people, and some people still hung in there.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: And I thought that was really the kind of like
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: in results of your documentary, is that it was a
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: special about individuals who make their own decisions. They all
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: got in for different reasons, Rebecca, they all got excited
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: for different reasons. In the end, when they came down
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: to either stay pull the plug, they all did it
• 1:22:42
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  Speaker 1: he first really took took on a life of its own.
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  Speaker 1: remembering the times during the dot com bubble in two
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  Speaker 1: the robin Hood, you know, had the great name rob
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  Speaker 1: from the rich geared to the poor. So that's why
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: it was really a good media app and to really
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  Speaker 1: become the center of the conversation. But when I but
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  Speaker 1: they just they changed the rules right in midstream, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And and companies do that all the time. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: for since you noticed when these uh gift cards, the
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  Speaker 1: gift cards used to be you could keep them forever,
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they came and change rules.
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  Speaker 1: card in a year, it's not going to be any
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  Speaker 1: good anymore. Because they came back to what what burdened
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  Speaker 1: down or came to be the collapse of what robin
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  Speaker 1: Hood had to do on that date and stop buying.
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  Speaker 1: have all these gift cards out there, you've got to
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  Speaker 1: have capital to cover if one day somebody's decided to
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  Speaker 1: show up and buy that gift and use that gift card.
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  Speaker 1: And so they decided to change the rules, all of them,
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  Speaker 1: change the rules, the saying that we're gonna limit the
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  Speaker 1: down the whole principle of robin Hood. They didn't think
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  Speaker 1: about how big they could get and if they got
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  Speaker 1: that big, what's our answer. The answer would just say
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  Speaker 1: stop buying, right, And they really became the poster child
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  Speaker 1: too for all of the anger and outrage, even though
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  Speaker 1: other brokerages made the same choice, it was because of
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  Speaker 1: that name, robin Hood, and the promise that they had
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  Speaker 1: made to democratize trading. And if you're saying you're going
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  Speaker 1: to democratize trading, but at the same time that, for example,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: a large hedge fund can do something different because they
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  Speaker 1: don't rely on your app and your customer can't do
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  Speaker 1: that thing anymore, it does create a lot of problems,
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  Speaker 1: and now they're in this stage of rebuilding that trust.
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  Speaker 1: They still have millions of users, and in fact, their
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  Speaker 1: user base UM based on the data that we've seen
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• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: what's really interesting to me is if you look at
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  Speaker 1: what's happened both to online trading as well as even
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  Speaker 1: game Stop as a name, all the attention that this
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  Speaker 1: story brought good and bad, very likely will ultimately result
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: in good things for all of these companies. Game Stop
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  Speaker 1: was a company at the early days of this year
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: that many people had largely written off. It was a
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: company that had been closing stores that a lot of
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: really you know, smart people assumed was just going to
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  Speaker 1: go out of business. This gave it a new life
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• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: be in rebuilding, and very likely, if we go back
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• 1:26:25
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• 1:26:27
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• 1:26:30
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  Speaker 1: with your host, Rashaan McDonald. My next guest is Jennifer Barrett.
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  Speaker 1: She's the Chief education Officer at Acorns, a financial wellness
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  Speaker 1: talk about her new book, Think Like a bread Winner,
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  Speaker 1: Think Like a bread Winner. Of the book everyone can
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  Speaker 1: learn from I did, and but it's geared towards women because,
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  Speaker 1: according to Jennifer, women that have been culturally conditioned not
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: to think like bread winners. This book truly is about
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: being financially independent. Please working to money making conversation. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna call a good friend because before this interview, we're
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  Speaker 1: just talking and talking. They're talking, Jennifer Barrett. How you doing, Jennifer,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thanks so much for having me. I was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Jennifer. Uh, we were just talking and talking,
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  Speaker 1: and I just feel really a certain kinship for you.
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  Speaker 1: Is that just a natural party of personality that people
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  Speaker 1: just really uh gravitate to you. I don't know that's
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  Speaker 1: I don't know one's ever asked me that, but thank
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  Speaker 1: you for that. I do, you know, as a journalist
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  Speaker 1: for many years, and um, so I think I'm used
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  Speaker 1: to I like to make people comfortable. Well, I really
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  Speaker 1: am genuinely interested in everyone I meet, So I think
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  Speaker 1: that that probably comes across and meet me. Well you
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  Speaker 1: you you definitely are making me comfortable. I read your
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  Speaker 1: book and usually just how I do that. I read
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  Speaker 1: the book always the day of the interview. That's where
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  Speaker 1: the courtions stay very fresh, very topical. I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm reaching for any information. Plus, I also zero
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  Speaker 1: in and what really attracts me to the book. But
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: before we get into the book, I've read your title
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  Speaker 1: chief Education Officer at a corn nine point five million users.
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  Speaker 1: Please explain to us what exactly is a COHNS and
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  Speaker 1: what exactly is your role as a chief education officer.
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  Speaker 1: Sure well, I joined a little over five years ago,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: almost five and off actually now. And one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that drew me to the company as I had
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  Speaker 1: been in financial journalists journalism for years before they and
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  Speaker 1: I sort of felt like we had been writing the
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  Speaker 1: same headline so often about how little people save and
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: how they're not prepared to cover unexpected expenses. And then
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  Speaker 1: we're on the brink of this retirement crisis, and I
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: was beginning to wonder if getting information out alone was
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  Speaker 1: enough inspiration information, if that was really enough to change
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  Speaker 1: people's behaviors. Um and then I my team, actually I
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  Speaker 1: was a personal finance editor at CNBC, and my team
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: had written a lot about these new fintech apps and
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: one of the things that really attracted me to Acorns
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: was that it was such a simple but brilliant solution
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: to a real barrier for so many Americans when it
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: comes to investing. And that was the feature where we
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  Speaker 1: round up your purchases and literally investor spare change. And
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: I think what that does immediately is it removes so
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  Speaker 1: much of the fear that we have around investing, so
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  Speaker 1: much of these beliefs we had that you have to
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of money in order to invest all
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: of these things, um and so that's really what drew
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  Speaker 1: me to the company. And then I joined in a
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: senior VP role, our VP role and senior VP and
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: then was promoted into the Chief Education Officer role. And
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: that essentially means I spend most of my time thinking
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: about how to promote financial literacy and to better educate
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: not only our users and we have around five million
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: now as you mentioned, but also everyone you know, really
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: thinking about how we can promote financial literacy in this
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: country and just close that gap, close the wealth gap,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: closed the financial literacy gap, so that everyone has the
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: opportunity to live the life that they want. Well, we
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: came off a really strange year in people standing in
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: line for food and unemployment and a record rate, had
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: this country shut down for two months, and then we
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: had the highest increase of billionaires in the world and
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: stock market set records during this summer um nash that
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  Speaker 1: crossed over a number and it never crawled over into history.
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  Speaker 1: Now being U the chief education offers at acorns and
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  Speaker 1: financial fintan app fintech app, explain it to me, please, hey,
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  Speaker 1: my listeners and viewers, please. I mean, the simplest way
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: to look at it is that the shareholder class got
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  Speaker 1: richer and the working class did not. For the most parts.
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  Speaker 1: UM So, people who were more dependent on a paycheck
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: struggle more, and people who were more dependent on their investments,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: particularly in the stock market UM did quite well because,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the stock market has hit record highs UM. Surprisingly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm lest really given that we were in a recession
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  Speaker 1: last year and in a global pandemic. UM. But that's
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  Speaker 1: really the simplest way to look at it, and I
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  Speaker 1: think one of the I mean, there are so so
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  Speaker 1: much that we can learn from this pandemic. But one
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  Speaker 1: of the big lessons there is just the importance of
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: getting in the game, you know, UM, and not depending
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: solely on a paycheck, but really starting to use those
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  Speaker 1: paychecks to build wealth, even if it's five ten, five
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  Speaker 1: in twenty, you know, fifty dollars a month. Really getting
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  Speaker 1: in the habit of taking some money and starting to
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: build that wealth so that you're less dependent on paychecks,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: and then of course making sure that you're saving some money,
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  Speaker 1: you know, especially during good times, because I think what
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  Speaker 1: happens in this country is that if you look at
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: the savings rates, when things are good, the savings rate
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: goes down. And it's almost as if we think, like
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: the good days will just keep happening. But that is
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: exactly the time when you want to be putting more
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: money into savings and investing because you know, maybe not
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: a pandemic. I hope we never have to deal with
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: that again, but you know, recessions happen. You know, there
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: are the economy goes in cycles, and so during the
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: good times you want to be preparing yourself so that
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: you can weather the bad times too. And I think
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: that was a big lesson of this pandemic too. Well
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: you think about it, I'm doing a kind of a
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  Speaker 1: little interesting way of getting into your book, because that's
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: what your book is about. If you're if you're running,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: if you if you're your ears are bleeding talking about
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: the stock market, your ears are bleeding talking about career
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: options and and that diversifying your opportunity to be successful.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: Then that's what this book is all about. This is
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: because about stepping out of your comfort zone into a
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: zone that could create basically financial independence. And it's recently
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: I was, I finally sat down and you know, I've
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: always just given my money to my my, my stock investor.
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  Speaker 1: He's putting in the way. You know, we have the
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  Speaker 1: conservative fund and we have the risky for us to
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  Speaker 1: stop top. I want to invest in uh uh Amazone.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: I want to invest in Apple. I want to invest
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  Speaker 1: that's excuse me, it's my money. I want to invest
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  Speaker 1: in I said, I said, because I'm tired of you
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  Speaker 1: guys playing around with my world. So I tried to
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: take control of what I feel a direction of where
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: I want. I got my Disney stock, I got my
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  Speaker 1: black Stone Black black Rock stock. So and I got
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  Speaker 1: a little Chevron and so I di first, got me
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  Speaker 1: a little uh City bank and Visa some financial financial stock.
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  Speaker 1: So so that's really what we're talking about. When this book,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: and it's a book of my awakening, was I came
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: out of the pandanga. I had this man money sitting
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: over there, and I had a guy just telling me
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: what to do. I'm just saying that guy could be
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: a female too, who's helping you stop. And basically that's
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: what Think Like a bread Winner is all about. We
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: go through life, whether you're male or female in this
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: particular case is about females. And guess when we settled,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: we're kind of singled for what we assume is the
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: life we're supposed to lead. And unfortunately, when the curve hits,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: or the bumping the role hits, the woman is not prepared.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: And you said that to yourself. You didn't hit a
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: bump in the row, but you had a what they say,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: a revelation. You know, this is this apartment that you
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: was in was closing in on you when at one
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: time you thought it was it was all cool. You
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: thought you were said, talk about that initial journey into
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: your revelation, which has led to you be a success
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: story in the financial market but also the right This
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: brilliant book called Think Like a bread Winner. Thank you. Yes,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: I had my own LAKA client think looking back, I
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: was really fortunate because um I had a wake up
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: call early in my life, early in my parenthood, and
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: um so I was able to make some changes and
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: get on the right course. And I wasn't faced with,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: you know, a really terrible situation. It was just a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: situation where my husband and I were in a small,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: one bedroom apartment with a toddler who was outgrowing his
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: crib when he was three ft from the bed, and
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: I really hadn't been paying attention to where we were.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: I was just sort of um comfortable. I was a
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: new mom. I was really focused on our baby. And
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: one night I was up with him and I was
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: pacing back and forth in our bedroom. I think any
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: parent can relate to this, you know, trying to get
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: him back to sleep. And I looked around and it
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: really hit me. We're in an unsustainable situation. And you know,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: all my life I had wanted kids, you know, I
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: really deeply wanted a second child. We I loved where
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: we lived in Brooklyn. I loved our neighborhood. We had
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: this network and friends, and I didn't want to leave,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: and we wanted a place of our own. And I
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: realized in that moll want that even though I thought
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: I'd been doing a lot right, like I was covering
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: half the bills, I had a little four one K
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: had a little bit of say things that I really
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't making the kinds of money, choices that would ensure
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: that we could afford these things that were so important
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: to me. And I asked myself, why had I not
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: been making those those choices, taking that action with my money?
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: And I realized that, deep down, I had been depending
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: on my husband to do all the financial planning for
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: our future because that's how I'd grown up. My dad
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: had been the main or or sold breadwinner for most
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: of my childhood, and so I sort of grew up
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: subconsciously expecting to depend on my partner for a lot
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: of that. Um. So then I kind of asked myself,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: you know, after realizing that, I sort of why was
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: I thinking that? And then I asked, what if I
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: had been raised instead to be the breadwinner? You know,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: what if I had grown up believing that I would
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: be fully financially responsible for myself for life and probably
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: a family too. Had that change the choices I made
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: with my money? And the answer was a resounding yes.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: And so then the question was, Okay, what do I
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: do now? And that's really where it started. Well, the
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: interesting thing about it is that that's why I say,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to take any way if
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: this is a brilliant book. But if you're a man,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: this happens to you. If you are a person who
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: was going through life. You know, here's just let me
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: be an example. I went to went to college, I
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: got my degree in mathematics, my mind and sociology, went
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: to work for IBM, and you know, I'm thinking, this
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: is my life, you know. And I eventually quit IBM
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: and started a career as a stand up comedian, which
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: led to a lot of other great things in my life.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: But I made that decision. You understand what I'm saying, Jennifer.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: I made that decision. And so this book is about
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: telling you don't be the person with the decision is
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: being made for you. And that's what happens so much
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: in the bread when the conversation that you're talking about,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: I decided to leave ib So it means that I
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: planned not exit. I had some money saved, not what
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: enough money, by the way, but I had some money
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: saved because I planned I was going to be a
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: success in your entertainment. So this is about thinking out
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: of the box about yourself. And in some words, a
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: lot of people use this word wrong incorrectly selfish, because
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: I think at some point, you have to think about yourself,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: talk about that whole process of thinking about yourself and
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: outside of the revelation, because you have to be you
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: have to be selfish. Well, you have to take care
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: of yourself, and I don't. I don't necessarily and I
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: know some people do say that's being selfish, but you
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: really can't take care of anybody else unless you're taking
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: care of yourself. Um, and so I don't think of
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: it as being selfish. I think I'm not in a
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: position to really care for my family if I'm not
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: caring for myself, and that that is, you know, both
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: the self care aspect of it, but also financially and really,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: you know, to your point, what this came down to
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: is like people are in different situations, but what it
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: came down to was that I was depending on someone
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: else to make sure the future that I wanted. Howpend,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: I was relinquishing that responsibility to someone else, and and
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: I wanted to take back some of that control. I
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: wanted to feel really secure that these things that were
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: so important to me in my life came to pass.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: And that meant really confronting the underlying beliefs that had
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: you know, informed the money choices that I've made, and
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: then confronting these these you know, money things in my mind,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: like and I and my good with money? Can I
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: do this? And I and I am I capable of
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: earning more? All of these kind of fears come up
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: to the surface when you start to say I am
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: going to take financial responsibility for my life. I can
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: do this right, because that gives you such tremendous agency
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: over your life, and it is an incredible feeling. And
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people don't really get
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: that message when they're growing up. It's not just women,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: but I do think culturally we are not conditioning women
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: to really think of themselves as wealth builders right, as
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: being real providers, so being able to support the lives
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: that they want and to support others lives too, and
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: then really being given the tools to do that. And
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: I think that's true of a lot of Americans. We
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: do a really bad job of educating people about finances
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: in this country. We have a ways to go, but
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: I do think that the message that women get, combined
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: with that lack of education, can do more damage, you know,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: So I think we have a wider gap to close
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: as women. And if you look, really, just step back
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: and look at the data points there. Women really are
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: lagging men financially by almost any measure, and there's no
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: reason for that. There's really no reason for that anymore. Um.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: So it's this book is really about like removing those
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: internal barriers and overcoming the external barriers so that you
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: can reach your wealth building earning potential and have the
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: life that you really want. Well, you know the interesting
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: thing about the book, I want to back up just
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and because you're gonna bring race in
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: just a little bit, it's just a positive version of life. Well,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: you know, you have black women and you have white women,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: and you mentioned something about black women. They were exposed
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: to the uh the bread winner philosophy for decades. Explain
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: about that, and then why why women have been been
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: conceptualized by the Disney Prince's philosophy of living? Yeah, I think, um,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: and I talked about this in the preface, so I
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: know that. Um, you know that the bread winning rates
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: are much different depending on you know, different races and
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: different communities. So we know that, for example, you know,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: right now, overall we have had this herodigm shift in
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: the bread winning model overall, So in more than forty
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: of households with kids under eighteen. Overall, women are now
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: the main or soul bread winner. But if you look
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: at the Latino community, if you look at the Black community,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: that has been the case for a long time, um,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: and the numbers are even higher. But what I'm really
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: talking about in this book is something that's a lot
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: more universal, which is, you know, even if you sort
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: of expect, oh, I may end up kind of taking
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: care of myself and taking care of my family, I
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: don't feel like as a culture we are setting women
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: up or success in that role. So it really doesn't
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: matter where you come from. What I tried to do
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: in this book was take the breadwinning lens and apply
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: it to every aspect of your finances. So if you're
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: really thinking, like what do I want in my life,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: and what are the choices I need to make with
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: my money and my career or my job path to
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: support that, and then applying that lens everywhere, you really
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: start to see there's such a dichotomy between the messaging
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: that we're getting as women and what we really want
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: to be doing if we want to be able to
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: truly support ourselves. And that's everything from like credit, where
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: we're being marketed this message of like credit cards or
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: a way to close the gap between this life that
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: we can afford and the things that we want, And
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: that's not really it at all if you're looking at
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: it as a bread runner and in the fullest sense
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: you're thinking, how do I build my credit so that
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: one day I can buy a home? And you're using
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: in that instance, you're leveraging credit to build wealth, because
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: most Americans have most of their wealth tied up in
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: their homes, and if you can't buy a home, that
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: really holds you back. So that's what I'm talking about.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: It's thinking. It's like, it's not just earning more, it's
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: really thinking more expensively about your capabilities and the possibilities
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: for your life. Well, you know the interesting thing about you.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: But first of all, there's a fantastic job of laying
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: out the blueprint of what you're trying to convey in
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: this and you do it very special with your interviews.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: And the reason I say it's very special with your
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: interviews because you interview people to give examples. Because a
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: lot of people, when you read a book like this,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: they'll say I can't relate or that's not me. Well, well,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: well I'm sorry. She interviewed enough of you means that
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you're gonna find yourself in this book.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Talk about that journey of finding the the different people
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: that you interviewed for the book and that they did.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: What their takeaway? Did they learn something from the interview
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: process that you brought to the table from there to
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: the through the interview process you brought to the table
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: for them? Sure? Um, well, I definitely learned something from
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: every single person I interviewed. And I interviewed over a
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: hundred women, and I intentionally tried to find women from
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: a whole diverse range of backgrounds from all over the country,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: in a lot of different fields, making a lot of
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: different incomes, so that we could be pretty representative. So
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: there are single parents, there are single women, there are
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: same sex you know, heterosexual couples are really pretty wide range. Um,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: and I learned a lot from them, I really did.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: I learned a lot in every conversation. Um. And I
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: would like to think that it's it was mutual too,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: because you know, I'd spend like anywhere from an hour
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: to five hours with each of them, and sometimes I'd
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: come back to them, like during the pandemic. I went
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: back to a lot of them to see how they
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: were doing, how things have changed, and really tried to
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: incorporate that in the book as well. Um, but yeah,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's so important to have all these stories
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: because I can only speak from my own experience, right,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: And look, I'm fortunate. I grew up in a middle class,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: suburban household. My parents were professors, you know, I had
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of privilege growing up. And I wanted to
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: make sure that it wasn't just my story that drove
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: the book. I could talk about my own experience is
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: but I really wanted to bring in a lot of
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: different perspectives too. Well. That was important because again, like
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: you said, you know my perspective, I come from inter city,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: six sisters, two brothers, fathers, and truck driver mom didn't work.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: That's a totally different experience. If I just wrote from
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: that experience, and I could be very very global in
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: my approach, well, this is what you gotta do to
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: be there. But when you brought into the examples, and
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: some of them are very rememberable, I thought they the
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: interview when you're the lady who was married to the
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: guy who didn't want kids, and then she eventually left
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: film and she had her kids. And that type of
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: independence is happening every day nowadays, where if you try
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: to do that the sixties seven day people would look
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: down on you. But that level of independence for women
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: allowing them to do what you're asking them to do
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: in this book, to step forward, be yourself. You can't
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: be independent, and that's this is all about being independent
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: and not being dependent. Correct totally. And I when I
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: talked about my own story, one of the reasons I
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: think I was so fortun in it is that as
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: I started interviewing women, I heard incredible stories. People really
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: opened up and they had suffered some really terrible things.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: I one woman had been in an abusive relationship and
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: didn't think she could afford to leave. That was a
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: true story. And I heard stories like that, or I
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: had stories of people who really wanted to have kids,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: didn't find a partner, hadn't saved up the money and
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: panicked and didn't think they could afford to have a
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: kid financially, and so they gave up something that was
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: incredibly important to them. So I think about, you know,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: being stuck in a toxic environment, being stuck in an
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: abusive relationship, you know, having to feel like you have
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: to give up something that's so important to you because
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: you didn't financially plan for it, because you don't have savings,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: because you were so dependent on your partner or your
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: paycheck that you feel like you have no choices. I
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: don't want any woman to be in that situation. I mean,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: that's what really drives me because as I started doing
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: these interviews, I realized just how lucky I was that
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: I wasn't in that kind of a situation when I
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: have my wake up call. And now I looked back,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I talked in the savings chapter about I
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: looked back at some of the experiences I've had in
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: my career. I mean, there, I've had some serious sexual
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: harassment experiences early in my career, and I think I
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: put up with some things because I didn't have the savings.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: And in other cases, I had the safety net of
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: my parents or I had savings, and I didn't put
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: up with things Like I was able to to walk
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: out of a job after a particularly bad incident because
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: I had my parents, because I had a little bit
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: of savings. Imagine if I hadn't you know, and that's
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: what I started to think about, is like, imagine, if
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: you are so dependent on your paycheck or a partner
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: that you can't afford to leave. That is a terrible situation.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to ever be in that situation.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: So that's part of this book too, is really just like,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: you know, preparing yourself not only to support the life
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: you want, but ensuring you're never stuck in a situation
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: that you don't want. Well, you know. More importantly, I'm
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: talking to Jennifer Barrett. He's the author of this wonderful book,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Think Like a Breadwinner, and it's an eye open it
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: for me as a male. It's a book this uh,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: this geared toward women, a female point of view, a
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: wake up call for women to understand how they should gain.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: Let me just put this way, women in general, start
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: making your decisions for yourself. In other words, stop rolling
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: into what that you feel is. This is what I'm
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: supposed to do, this is the life I've been supposed
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: to be living. And that's what this book does for me.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: At the beginning of my show, I always talking about
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: leave with your gifts and don't let your age, friends, family,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: or co workers stop you from planning to living your dreams.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: And basically that's what this book is telling you. You know,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: look in the mirror at yourself and be to be
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: dependent on yourself. And we talked about it off air,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: but when you start talking about marriages, you said, Rishan,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say she talked to me like this, Rashan,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: because I read it from the book. I felt like
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: she was talking to me. Y'all. Okay, she said, Roshan,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: forty percent of the people get married and they know
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: it isn't the divorce, but they don't care. They don't.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: They don't they don't plan for the possibilities that it
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: might end in the divorce. If you were giving that
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: number fifty on anything that you do in a daily life,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: if you were heard it was fIF percent chance of rain,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: you will probably take an umbrella. If you heard the
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: temperature we're gonna drop fifty percent chance we're gonn drop
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: on the forty degree, you would take a coat. But
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: when it comes to marriage, we have such a naive
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: approach to it, like won't happen to me, and when
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: it does happen, there's no preparations. So with that being said,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: how does one shift from the from the person who's
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: being taken care of to the bread winner? How do that?
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: How do they make that shift? Yeah? I mean I
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: think it starts with looking at your income and being
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: very realistic about is the income I'm earning supporting the
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: life that I want? And then and I know this
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: is really hard, and because I've interviewed people and so
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: many of our Acorns users are in this position too,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people feel like they're living paychecks
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: a paycheck, and I certainly did when I have my
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: wake up Paul, and we're thinking we don't have any
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  Speaker 1: money to save or invest, like we're barely getting by.
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  Speaker 1: But if you don't need to put a lot of
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  Speaker 1: money aside, it's just so important to get into the
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  Speaker 1: habit of using your paycheck, using each paycheck to be
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: less dependent on your next paycheck. And what I mean
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: by that is using anything you can from that paycheck
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: you get to put into savings, high yield savings to
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  Speaker 1: put into the stock market and bonds, and start investing
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  Speaker 1: that money so it can grow for you. Because that's
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  Speaker 1: how you break the chain, right, That's how you break
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  Speaker 1: your dependence on every single paycheck, how you break the
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: paycheck to paycheck cycle, how you build real wealth. When
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about wealth, I think we have this notion
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  Speaker 1: of wealth as being like, I don't know, make mansions
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  Speaker 1: and yachts and all these things. I'm not talking about that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about having enough money growing in the background
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  Speaker 1: of your life by investing it, that you have the
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  Speaker 1: money to make choices in your life, that you have
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  Speaker 1: the money to you know, to go back to school
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  Speaker 1: if you want to go to school, if you want
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  Speaker 1: you have the money to start a business, if you
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  Speaker 1: want to you have the money to travel, to buy
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  Speaker 1: a home. All of these things, you know, they require
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: more than you're usually making in a paycheck, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's so important to get into that happened. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think women, especially we are we are not encouraged to
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  Speaker 1: be wealth builders. We are not encouraged to say I
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  Speaker 1: want to make money, earn money, I want to make
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money. You know, we are not encouraged
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  Speaker 1: to think that way or even to consider it, or
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  Speaker 1: that we're good investors. When the research actually shows that
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: we're better investors than then often we get good returns.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: So that it starts with that and then it starts.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously you don't want credit card debt. You
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: want to be building your credit um you know, all
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: of these things, and you want to be really thinking
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  Speaker 1: strategically about your job path or your career so that
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: it's not just what am I making now, but what
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: am I going to make next year, five years from now?
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  Speaker 1: How do I take the steps now to set myself up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to earn more. I remember listening to Ashcash
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  Speaker 1: talking about he was a bank teller and already had
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  Speaker 1: dreams of being, you know, a bank manager, of moving
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: into an executive role. He was thinking three steps ahead.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how you have to think. Is am I
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  Speaker 1: doing the things right now that are going to set
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  Speaker 1: me up so that I have the role I want
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: to have in two years, five years down the road? Well,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you have to think if you don't think
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: about the future, and we have a general tendency to
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: think every thirty days, so paycheck to paycheck, and if
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: you think like that, you really don't see to put
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: you a pitfall that can happen. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning of the books, when you you kind
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: of like paycheck pay checking, one day you just woke
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: up and right woome, you know something, just paycheck to
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: paycheck is not gonna work out because, uh, we're in
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: one bed room and I'm looking at my baby and
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: my baby's growing paycheck to paycheck. And so that that
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: awakening that made you move forward. With that being said,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: you know we have so many barriers. You know, when
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: we think about athletics for women and there's a there's
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: a title line to have women have equal sports participation
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: in colleges, and right now we hear about situations and
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: soccer trying to tennis and professional sports. But when it
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: comes to academics and I'm talking about the the learned
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: world executives, we know there's a shoulderness the philosophy. They're
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: stopping women from getting equal paid and so that, like
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: you said, you use some uncomfortable situations where you have
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: to leave, and when you think back on a certain situations,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: you took some stuff that you probably shouldn't have taken
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: in job environments. How would that being said? I know
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen overnight, and I'm not trying to
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: get you to go there even this conversation, but this
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: book allows me to at least open up the eyes
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: for the reader to say, hey, start thinking about the
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: possibilities and that really is the basis of this book,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: the possibilities and shape those possibilities into opportunities and then
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: opportunities turned into goals. Is that the right strategy I'm
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: putting in place about your book? It starts with having
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: a vision for what you want in your future and
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: then thinking about what you can do to get there
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: um and planning that strategy and taking it step by step.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: You know, it took me a few years to get
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: on the right track, but that's you know that It
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: starts with asking yourself what do I want in my life?
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: Not what can I forward right now in my life?
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  Speaker 1: Not what do other people expect from me in my life?
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  Speaker 1: What do I want in my life? And how can
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: I make it happen? And that gives you such a
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: sense of agency when you start taking the steps to
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: make it happen. And the other you know, the other
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: thing that you pointed out is that look, if we
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: look at the numbers, women are lagging men on every
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: financial measure right now. So if you just do the
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: status quo, can you just fall into that? That's where
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: you're gonna end up, so you have to actually stop
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: and say no, wait, that is not how I wanted
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: to go for me. I don't want to get paid
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: less than the guy down the hall. I don't want that.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be passed over for promotion. You know,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: these are very real barriers, and so it's important for
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: us to be aware of them, but then also think about, Okay,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: what am I going to do so I get that promotion. So,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: for example, we know there's research out there that shows
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: that women are more likely to pick up what's called
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: office housework or nonpromotable work. We're the ones like organizing
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: the meetings, are cleaning the conference room or whatever it is,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: and that people are more likely to ask women to
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: do that. That doesn't mean we need to say yes,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: you know, we can be nice about it, but we
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: don't need to fall into some of these traps. And
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: I think the first step there is awareness, Like if
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: you are aware that this is happening and you say no,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: wait a second, I don't want this to happen to me,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: then the question is, okay, what steps are you going
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: to take so that that doesn't happen to you? Because
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: you want your life to go on a different trajectory.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here twelve years later telling you that
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: is entirely possible. You know, I'm not saying it's always easy,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: but it is entirely possible to say like mm hmmm, no,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: this is not me. I don't want to be making
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: you know, eighteen cents less or more, you know, than
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: than the white man down the wall. It's just not
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: going to make you know. Um. But then you have
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: to be aware of that, and then you have to
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: think about, Okay, what do I need to do to
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: make sure I get that promotion art I'm gonna track
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: every single thing I'm doing for this company and look
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: at how it's supporting this company. And when I come
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: in there and ask for that promotion or that raise,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have numbers. Because numbers don't lie. It takes
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: the emotion out of it. It's really hard to argue
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: with numbers. So a lot of this is the approach.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I want to say this. You know, we're
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: in that era, you hit that term counsel culture, and
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: because so many people are finally speaking up, finally saying, look,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: I deserve to be recognize for my work for my pain.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: And I don't want this book to become a victim
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: of that thought process of counseling. Gold dude, Oh women,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: it should be satisfied. Should they should be happy being
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: at home, They should be happy taken care of. Because
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: your book is brilliant. I'm just gonna be honest with you.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: I've read it and I started reading the again because
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: if we missed our first interview, and I was just
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: so moved by the you know, do not wait till
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: your mid thirties. That's a theme in this book. In
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: the mid thirties, these women are starting to wake up.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: Wake up at nineteen, wake up at sixteen, wake up
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: at twenty one, don't wake up in the mid thirties.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: And then you then that's what happens. You get in
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: that trap because age starts to come in. You go,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: can I make up? Can I pivot? And sometimes people
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: don't care if you can't pivot, They're gonna pieve it
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: for you and kick you to the curb. And so
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: that's the wonder of this book is that don't let
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: age stop. You, don't let allow yourself to wait too late.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: But more importantly, read books like this and it will
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  Speaker 1: focus you early, give it to your daughter a lot
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  Speaker 1: hard to have a sense that she can be independent.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: It's all ready to have a freedom thought. It's all
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: ready to think about themselves. It's already to focus about
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  Speaker 1: focus on financially in defend in Financial Independent, wonderful book, Jennifer.
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  Speaker 1: I really glad we was able to pull this interview
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  Speaker 1: off because you are amazing. Thank you, Thank you so much.
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