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Kevin Frazier & Nischelle Turner Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Welcome to money Making Conversation. I'm your host with
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  Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions
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  Speaker 1: of success. My next guest, Kevin Fraser and the Shell
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  Speaker 1: Turner back on Entertainment tonight after being away six months remotely,
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  Speaker 1: I've been watching y'all on that small screen. Is the
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  Speaker 1: number one entertainment news magazine or television really the world,
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  Speaker 1: four million viewers daily and the show one is fifth
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  Speaker 1: Emmy Award this year. Kevin the Shell on the show
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  Speaker 1: discussed being on the fortieth season milestone. Wow. Please, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to money Making Conversations. My man, Kevin Fraser, my girl
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  Speaker 1: the Shell turn what's going on? Well, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's really cool because you know, I'm originally from Houston, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: so I can remember when entertainment came on and Mary Heart,
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  Speaker 1: which just it was it was like it was something new.
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  Speaker 1: Now everybody is doing some form, especially with social media,
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  Speaker 1: some form of entertainment. And then to see, you know,
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  Speaker 1: let's be honest to African American leads on this show
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  Speaker 1: that plays a significant role on how we look at television.
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  Speaker 1: People of color talk about that. Well, I was gonna
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  Speaker 1: say that you know each and every day. It is
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  Speaker 1: kind of a privilege to you look across and you
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  Speaker 1: look at that person and you're like, okay, we get it.
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  Speaker 1: And as you can see, like we spending an ordinate
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  Speaker 1: amount of time together even when we're not on camera.
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  Speaker 1: I mean my office is right next door through the wall,
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  Speaker 1: and and Michelle is also a crazy, amazing cook, so
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  Speaker 1: she usually brings in food. But you know it is
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  Speaker 1: I feel so blessed and lucky to be able to
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  Speaker 1: look over and see someone who I can identify with
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  Speaker 1: so much, and also someone who has no problem keep
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  Speaker 1: me in check, say here, same here, because we battle,
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  Speaker 1: we battle behind the scenes, but it's all like to
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  Speaker 1: lift one another up and to have each other raise
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  Speaker 1: our games. Because make no mistake about it, Rashan, I
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  Speaker 1: mean you do see two people of color, you know,
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  Speaker 1: on this show, and as you said, like the leads
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  Speaker 1: of this show, I mean, Kevin officially is the host.
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  Speaker 1: I just kind of try to ride his coattails sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: But but make no mistake about it, like we get
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  Speaker 1: the weight that that is, and as blessed as we
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  Speaker 1: are to be doing it, I mean there's a weight
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  Speaker 1: to represent um because you know, like people always say,
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  Speaker 1: if if a kid can't see it, they can't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: So the fact that it's Kevin and myself every single
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  Speaker 1: day showing these young folks, these young brown and black folks,
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  Speaker 1: like what they can be and what they can aspire to.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it means the world to me. The world Kevin,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin just gotta see. Kevin has an assistant, Michelle goes
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  Speaker 1: and walks to the smoothie shop herself as folks, bringing
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  Speaker 1: him a whole sandwich that's toasted, this is warm, this
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  Speaker 1: is He is the host, as you say it. You
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  Speaker 1: said that earlier. So he's representing. She got jokes around here,
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  Speaker 1: because we'll get after Kevin Fraser like that woman right there.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's serious for Sean when he says, can
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  Speaker 1: I just tell you something? So if he says that
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  Speaker 1: within this interview, you know you're about to get some
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  Speaker 1: kind of man's playing craziness going on there. It is there.
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  Speaker 1: It is with the pandemic. Yeah, changing the whole landscape,
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  Speaker 1: because nobody was ready for that. I thought maybe a month.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm an entrepreneur, you know, I said my staff,
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  Speaker 1: they we've been zooming still, and I purchased the building
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  Speaker 1: in Atlanta, but I'm getting the COVID safe, so I
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  Speaker 1: bring my staff back in. So it's that whole mentality
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  Speaker 1: how you look at it. Even though you guys wore
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  Speaker 1: a studio show, how did it really because when you
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  Speaker 1: went to the small screen trying to make it interesting,
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  Speaker 1: trying to get the celebrities to come on, Kevin, how
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  Speaker 1: did that work with you? What was the most uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: part of that? It was a lot because you're at
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  Speaker 1: home and you're shooting the show, and you're shooting the show,
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  Speaker 1: of course with your family walking around. Like my children
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  Speaker 1: at first were like, oh, Daddy's doing the show, and
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  Speaker 1: then they were just like a man, I gotta leave
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  Speaker 1: the room again. And so it became a whole thing
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  Speaker 1: of kind of shooting and dodging them and yelling everybody
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  Speaker 1: be quiet. But it was kind of cool because I
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  Speaker 1: think with celebrities, and I mean with Michelle too, because
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  Speaker 1: here's the crazy I was just about saying. Michelle was
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  Speaker 1: homeless when this first happened because her home was being finished.
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  Speaker 1: She just built new house, so she was homeless. I
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  Speaker 1: was living in a hotel for the first two months,
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  Speaker 1: and then finally moved into her house, but it was
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  Speaker 1: a new house, so it wasn't really all set up,
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  Speaker 1: so getting it all set up and everything ready was
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  Speaker 1: a real challenge for her. I carry around in a
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  Speaker 1: crazy amount of technology with me at all times, so
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  Speaker 1: I had cameras and stuff that I couldn't wait to
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  Speaker 1: use and justify using. But I think it was also
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  Speaker 1: cool because you gotta look inside our lives and you
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  Speaker 1: gotta look inside of the shells lives life like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're at home, Oh you're Oh that's what's behind you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's what your living room, that's what's in your office. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it actually um lets celebrities guards down
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  Speaker 1: a little bit being at home. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: we've done some of the best work, best interviews that
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  Speaker 1: we've ever done during this pandemic because I felt like
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  Speaker 1: it was easier for me to just be conversational, just
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  Speaker 1: like we're all. It kind of levels the playing field
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  Speaker 1: a little bit because like we all sitting in our
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  Speaker 1: living room on a bad you know, WiFi connection, um
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  Speaker 1: just all trying to make it work, and so it
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  Speaker 1: kind of levels the playing field. So you come into
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  Speaker 1: it a little bit differently than you do when you're
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  Speaker 1: you know, going into a hotel sitting down together or
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  Speaker 1: fancy and right fancy, like I'm wearing my slippers, honey,
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  Speaker 1: and the FedEx may and might come knock on the door.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just warning you ahead of right, And that
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  Speaker 1: happened lots of times, so I thought, I think that
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  Speaker 1: it actually, um was a help to us. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that it helped my interviewing style a lot, because
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  Speaker 1: I just became much more that that's who you are naturally.
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  Speaker 1: You're shells are very like I'm gonna talk to you,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna talk to you very straight. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: cutting anything like I'm a massager. She's like a get
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  Speaker 1: right to the fact. Part of that is, you know
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  Speaker 1: her news that she still works for CNN, so Michelle
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  Speaker 1: is still like cutting edge journalists, so you will see
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  Speaker 1: her on CNN and entertainment tonight. But I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Kevin, Kevin is like I always tell him, there, um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in this world whose hustle is
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  Speaker 1: harder than this one right here, And like when he's
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  Speaker 1: on his game, he's unmatched. He's the best entertainment host
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  Speaker 1: in the business. And don't ever tell anybody I said
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  Speaker 1: that moment thing. She's just saying that he's the best
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  Speaker 1: entertainment host in this business. Did you live live? We know?
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  Speaker 1: He's an interesting thing about it because this whole year
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  Speaker 1: has been so crazy with entertainment. You have the pandemic
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  Speaker 1: and then you have the civil unrest, and and that's
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  Speaker 1: why this, that's why the interview was interesting for me
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  Speaker 1: to be a part of and talk to you about,
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  Speaker 1: because you guys played it out right in front of us.
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  Speaker 1: You saw the pandemic hit, and then you saw the
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  Speaker 1: civil unrest hit, and then you're seeing actors. Broadway shutdown,
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  Speaker 1: you're seeing movie things. California still shut down, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways to shut down. How but you remain calm
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  Speaker 1: like you have a brilliant smile, your eyes are active,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you guys play your
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  Speaker 1: roles correctly because because because of Kevin, your stoic, you're
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  Speaker 1: that professional guy, you know, leave your personality. So but still,
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  Speaker 1: how did you when when the's stalk away through these
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  Speaker 1: steps the pandemic hit then George Flow and where were
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  Speaker 1: you guys that Emotionally? I was broke. I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: gonna lie I was broken. It was it was it
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  Speaker 1: was and still is tough. I mean, you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: we're taught and I don't know if you felt this
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  Speaker 1: way keV Um, because he is unflappable in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways. But we are taught, you know, as journalists,
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  Speaker 1: and we're both journalists to be right down the middle.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to be you want to
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  Speaker 1: appear unbiased, you want to just give people facts. But
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  Speaker 1: when a situation like what happened this summer with the
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  Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement and the murder of George, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna just gonna call it what it was, the murder
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  Speaker 1: of George Floyd and everything that was surrounded that, in
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  Speaker 1: my are very you know, the rise up again with
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  Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor, so many things. Um, if we acted like
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  Speaker 1: that didn't affect us, we were being we'd be liars.
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  Speaker 1: You know. We are black folks first and foremost. And
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  Speaker 1: I know I've had experiences, um, you know with racism
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  Speaker 1: and then and and and inequality also in the workplace.
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  Speaker 1: That it gave me um an opportunity to have a
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  Speaker 1: voice that I probably wouldn't have spoken up and spoken
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  Speaker 1: out about things. So for me, I did a lot
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  Speaker 1: of healing. I remember I was doing an interview with
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  Speaker 1: UM with Porsha Williams. This was right in the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of things. I was doing an interview about her decision
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  Speaker 1: to step up and start protesting and start really using
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  Speaker 1: her voice in her platform. And I broke down crying
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the interview. And it just because
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't you know, it was I couldn't do it
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  Speaker 1: anymore because I couldn't keep it together. And here's what
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  Speaker 1: you have to understand about the whole situation. Months before that,
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  Speaker 1: a few months before that, Michelle went to do an
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  Speaker 1: interview UM with Oprah, Yeah, Michael Jordan and Michael B.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan's the Netflix building and as she came out, UM,
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  Speaker 1: she had this beautiful convertible and these guys cut her off,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, she honked at him, and when they
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  Speaker 1: came to stop, like one of the guys got out wow,
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  Speaker 1: called her and word spit on her and then drove off.
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  Speaker 1: And so tensions were already high here because when she
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  Speaker 1: came back, he was like, let's go find these You know,
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  Speaker 1: your first reaction is like, well, let's go what happened?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, where are you? Let's go find these
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  Speaker 1: dudes and let's go get them, you know, because that's
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  Speaker 1: your natural reaction. But then you know you have to
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  Speaker 1: calm down. But what settles in on you is the
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  Speaker 1: heaviness of what happened and what occurred because you have
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  Speaker 1: someone who is at the highest point of her career,
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  Speaker 1: someone who is a professional, who is beautiful, who has
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  Speaker 1: done all these things and all these accomplishments, and you
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  Speaker 1: still can't escape the fact that you get into your car,
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  Speaker 1: you're a hundred thousand dollar car, and someone gets down
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  Speaker 1: and spits on you and calls you to m work
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  Speaker 1: and didn't try and you know, it reduces you to
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  Speaker 1: a certain place that you never want to think it can,
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  Speaker 1: but it does. And so like through that, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people look at both Kevin and myself and
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  Speaker 1: what level of success we have achieved, and it's wonderful
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  Speaker 1: and we're both blessed for it. But we also do
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like fighting and crusading and behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes of really trying to make a difference in our
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  Speaker 1: little point, you know, corner of the world, to make
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  Speaker 1: you know, change in our what our newsrooms look like,
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  Speaker 1: the coverage that we do, the content that you see
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  Speaker 1: on TV. Those are you know, things that we work
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  Speaker 1: on every single day. So it's an ongoing effort. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's on and people don't see that. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: times I had some people saying to me, well, what
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  Speaker 1: have you ever done for your community? Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: don't ever question please please, no I'm blating rain. They're good,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, respect I said that to Kevin today.
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  Speaker 1: I want my respect. It was but um, but no.
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  Speaker 1: Like so it's still every day. You know, we're Shawn.
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  Speaker 1: It's a it's a battle. It's a battle, but it's
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  Speaker 1: a battle that both of us and talking to each other,
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  Speaker 1: say we're ready for this. We've got the shoulders for it.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, Kevin is the leader of us here,
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  Speaker 1: so we kind of all take direction for him. And
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  Speaker 1: he's a fighter for folks of color. I mean he
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  Speaker 1: just did you know this is we talk each other
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  Speaker 1: off the ledge. So that's good. That's good, I will
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  Speaker 1: tell you. Because of the heaviness of what had happened before,
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: when this happened, when the George Bloy thing happened, we
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  Speaker 1: were just like, who this is crazy, because it's just
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  Speaker 1: it was so much and we were at home and
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  Speaker 1: so we were separated, so we didn't have each other
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  Speaker 1: to kind of sit down and talk to each other.
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  Speaker 1: And my wife is from Minnesota, so it happened where
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  Speaker 1: she's from. That was, you know, there's that other thing.
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  Speaker 1: But asked attorney, who is like the wocust woman on
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  Speaker 1: the planet, so I know. Kevin was like, it's forty
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  Speaker 1: years for your anniversary coming up. Um Emmy Award winning
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  Speaker 1: couple here that I'm talking to. What Emmy Award winning
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  Speaker 1: over here? I'm taking my flowers. Okay, you got me
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  Speaker 1: two times Image Award two times, two times. I know it,
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  Speaker 1: I know it, I know it. You know the beauty
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  Speaker 1: of Like I said earlier, I started the show Mary
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  Speaker 1: Hard John Tesh, I think Bob going. And then then
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Frazier started seeing his face started dropping in periodically,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then it became a regular. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know he was a regular kind of regular, but I
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  Speaker 1: saw him a lot. And then I guess I gotta
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  Speaker 1: tell you guys about anent thainment that is so important,
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  Speaker 1: that iconic music when it starts that you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and Kevin, I gotta tell you, man a lot of times,
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  Speaker 1: you just being a representative of us is so just
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  Speaker 1: seeing you it's important to my daughter, to me, and
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  Speaker 1: then the share when you came on for Entertainment to
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  Speaker 1: night that allowed me to see two of you guys
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  Speaker 1: attractive vote for Articulate, and still the show's ratings maintained
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  Speaker 1: stature still as a global presence. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: let you know that just keep doing your job, because
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  Speaker 1: your job enables me to do my job, and that
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  Speaker 1: is all we want to do. Is I've been when
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  Speaker 1: the George Floyd thing happened, A lot of my white
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  Speaker 1: friends called me and they said, is it really like that?
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  Speaker 1: I said yeah. I always said I had never heard
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  Speaker 1: from so many of my white friends. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying that that's me. Is it really like that?
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  Speaker 1: I said yeah. It said, how do you do it?
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  Speaker 1: I said, that's just part of the process, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I said, you you get up, you deal with it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not comfortable when the policeman stops me. I'm not,
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  Speaker 1: I said, but that's part of life. And when I
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  Speaker 1: see the black lives matters and I see white people
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  Speaker 1: walking that and that's important to me. And that's important
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  Speaker 1: when I see you guys interviewing and doing your job
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  Speaker 1: and interviewing white people. That's important to me. This is
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  Speaker 1: not BT. I'm seeing you guys on this is not
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  Speaker 1: this is not TV one, you guys on the global
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  Speaker 1: presence and when you're distributing in information and then I
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: see the Emmys this year being played out and seeing
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  Speaker 1: all these African American talents being talk about that reaction
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  Speaker 1: to the Emmys and the way it was done. It
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  Speaker 1: was produced by my man O, Reginald Hudling. You know
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  Speaker 1: what was interesting about it is your your home and
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  Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's Emmy's that are virtual, and
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  Speaker 1: so we're like, I don't know, and so you're sitting
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  Speaker 1: there and you're looking. We had a zoom with rebody
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  Speaker 1: that we work with, and we're looking at what we want.
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at all the people, and so as
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  Speaker 1: you look at all the people, you think about their families,
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  Speaker 1: their kids, their houses, what they are doing and and
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  Speaker 1: what it takes for them just to survive, and how
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  Speaker 1: important this moment is because this is something for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: So when we want our Emmy, it was like it
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  Speaker 1: was incredible because I felt so proud for those people,
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  Speaker 1: those people that never you never see. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was an important moment. Yeah, and Gail King got to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, give us our emmy. So that was that
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  Speaker 1: was really really great. But John, I think you you
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  Speaker 1: were also talking about and this is important. This is
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  Speaker 1: These are conversations that Kevin and I have often about
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  Speaker 1: having to be the most well rounded people in the building. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we have to be you know, there's the saying you
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  Speaker 1: gotta work twice as hard to be considered half as good.
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  Speaker 1: But we have to be so well rounded because you
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  Speaker 1: can't just be focused on quote unquote the black celebrities
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  Speaker 1: or the black people or whatever like we do, and
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  Speaker 1: you have to build relationships with everybody, which can be tough.
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  Speaker 1: It can be tough, like Kevin always teases me, because
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  Speaker 1: people don't know all the times I'm I'm as country
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  Speaker 1: as country can be. Like I grew up on are
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  Speaker 1: you turner? What do you say? How country are you? So?
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  Speaker 1: I grew up on a pig farm, honey in y'all
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  Speaker 1: don't understand like she could probably drive a tractor, drive
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  Speaker 1: her I'm driving a tractor knows country music. So it
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  Speaker 1: always cracks me up when you walk down on the
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  Speaker 1: set and she'll play some old school country music on
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  Speaker 1: Its just and it catches people by surprise. I love
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  Speaker 1: watching people's reaction when she starts singing old school country
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  Speaker 1: music and they're like, you know, st now by the way,
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  Speaker 1: he stopped loving her today. It's one of the best
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  Speaker 1: songs ever. It's so beautiful. I wish some man would
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  Speaker 1: love me till dad died like that child. I listen
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  Speaker 1: to sad sad. But the thing is, it's like, um,
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  Speaker 1: it just goes to show you. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: we've been a good representation of that because Kevin's like
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  Speaker 1: this techy, weirdo guy. You know, I'm this black girl
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  Speaker 1: who loves country music, who like you know, and and
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  Speaker 1: and hair bands like from the eighties. I love bon Jovi,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But I love you know, I
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: just love it all. But I think that we're a
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: good representation of how black folks are, not a mono
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: with you know what I'm saying, and how um. I
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: think that we've gone a long way to teach the
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: people here that you can't judge a book by its cover,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: because for a lot of times you did, like oh,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: which sometimes feel like my black people go into the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: black stories or whatever. But now there's much more of
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: a broad thinking because it's like, oh, Michelle has a
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: relationship with Tricia Yearwood because that's what she likes. Or
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you know, Kevin Frasier Melissa McCarthy, that's his girl. Like
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So those things, I think
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: you go a long way, um to changing stereotypes and
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and just showing people that
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: we can do all things and we can be all things.
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  Speaker 1: And um, it's just the same as if I was
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a blondhaired white woman. I mean, people can take to
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: me the same way, so and and and as advice
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: because I want people to hear what she's saying. We
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: can do insecure. I can go see Kevin Hart. You
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: just sat with Kevin Hart, so that The Crown is
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: actually my favorite show. But you can also The Crown,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so you can't you
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: can't come up in here thinking, well, I'm gonna do
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: what I know what. Everybody knows everything, and so you
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: have to be wellering. And that's why I wanted to say,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that's why it was important that you heard me when
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I said I'm not watching b E T. I'm not
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: watching TV on you. I'm watching iconic individuals who are
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: carrying us to the next century. Being relatable, that's the key. Relatable.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: But we look at this the industry. You know, we
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: thought Tenant would draw people back into the movie theaters
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: under the domestic market. Didn't happen. Now the I was
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: interview to be from last Gate. They're nervous. They don't
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: know if the movies are going to be ready and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Christmas. So you guys got your ear to the ground.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: What are we looking at? I think television. Tyler Perry
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: has showing us he can shoot a movie. He can
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: shoot twenty five episodes in two weeks. Man on the planet,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: stop seeing on Tyler Perry. He is the smartest man
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: on the plane. You know. It's um, I'm not gonna
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: like like what I missed most. I'm a movie head.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I missed going to the movies more than anything like
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that was my I would go Saturday morning the very
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: first movie at being there by myself just is the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: best feeling ever to watch a movie on the big screen.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And I miss it so much. And if I'm being honest,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what we're gonna get. I
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: just I don't know. I'd love to be optimistic, but
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: every time I am, I feel like, damn, what are
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: we gonna get next? But I'll tell you this, I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: think that this time for movie makers is going to
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: be the greatest time ever because by going video on demand,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: they get cut of what they're doing, so you will
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: see these people are making movies and stuff like that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt the theaters, but it doesn't hurt them
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: because they're the people are making the movies. Are studios
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: still green lighting these amount of movies? I mean, there's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a studio really gonna invest two hundred four hundred million
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: into a blockbuster if it's not Tom Cruise or Will Smith,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: no doubt. But if if you are Will Smith, and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: now you can make a movie like, for instance, the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: movie that he's making right now about uh god, I
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: can't remember the name, but anyway, he's making a movie
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: right now. They just left to make a movie now
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and Netflix paid them an insane amount of money for
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: an insane amount of money, So you're taking out the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the kind of equation where you have to hope people
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: go to the movies. These people are paying a lot
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of money upfront, or you can make your money on
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: video demand and people will sit at home. I watched Annabellum,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the second hit video, the Man. It probably would have
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: taken me a week or two to get there. Yeah.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: The interesting thing about it is that what Netflix has
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: done for me as far as black product, is that
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: it premieres internationally. You know, when it premieres on Netflix,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it's in China, it's in Europe. Is in something amazing
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: because you know, the rubbin Hollywood has always been black
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't sell globally, right, thank you, my son. It's selling
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: like crazy. They're like, whoa, y'all. Go back to Tyler
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Perry in January or Fall from Grace twenty seven million views,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: shocked the world. And then we went into the Pandemic
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and it opened up and the Five Bloods and all
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: these Jamie Fox movie they just came out. Was incredible. Say,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Delroy Lindo handed himself the oscar. Come on, come on,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: where he's cutting down the banana leaves. He handed himself
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the oscar. And if he does not get it, y'all
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: about to see me out here protestingated. He gotta get nominated.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: He gotta get nominated. I told dear Roy, I said,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: he's got nominated. He will be nominated. I mean, he
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: gotta get dominated. On the same page with Dear Orlando.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: He should get an Oscar nomination. He should win an
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Oscar for that, solely based on that one scene. They
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: ripped him off from Malcolm X. He never got his
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: due with Malcolm. They owe him one from Malcolm X.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: But this is not even a makeup because he's brilliant
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: this movie. But I'm saying, well, I get you, I
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: get you. But he this isn't a makeup. This isn't
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: like the Denzel makeup because he should have won the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Hurricane and anyone training you know, this isn't a makeup.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Del Rod. There has not been a better performance this
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: year by a male in a movie, yes, in the movie, right, okay, okay,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: in a movie than him in The Five Bloods. What
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: interesting thing about it is that mulan it went straight
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to Disney Business, and I told us how much money
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: they've made so far, at least I've been looking. They've
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: not told anybody how many millions they made, charging people
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: thirty dollars. It's been rumored that if they get ten
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: percent of there up there um eighty million subscribers, then
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: they can considerate go anywhere from three hundred million dollars up.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Like you said, Kevin, that's profit. Oh they made they
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: made the money. But yeah, everybody wash it on the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: first week it finally opened in China, which is their
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: market that they needed to open in. Right, Ulan is
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: showing you that, like if you keep it inside your
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: streaming service and it makes it worth it now for
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: these streaming services to spend that kind of money. They
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: looked at and they said, oh, so we can spend
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: this kind of money. You have a blockbuster and people
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: will pay for it. I guarantee you very very soon,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and Marvel will start releasing everything straight to a stream. Well,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, Disney is gonna try again with that with
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Soul on Christmas. And by the way, Soul is going
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to explode. It's going to explode. I predict Soul will
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: explode and Jingle Jangle will also be amazing. The only
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: thing I worry about, especially with Soul, is there are
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: there is a large community, a large part of the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: community who isn't who doesn't have access to the internet
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and the streaming services that would flock to the theaters
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: to see that movie. But I will say this that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: if you remember when there was a Motown explosion, it
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't black folks driving it. We had lived with Motown
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: our whole life, and then all of a sudden you
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: watch the Big Chill and and there everybody's like, everybody's like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: oh my god, we love we need some Motown music
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: of life, y'all. This is what my parents are playing
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: every weekend at my house. That's what I've been listening
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to all my life. So I think that it will
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: once again bring that music that you love so much,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: give the kids something to watch, and people will watch
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: it over and over again. If you have a young
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: kid as a parent, you already own Disney Plus because
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you're like, I can't have you sitting TV enough right now.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I think it'll go now. Michelle, you said that your
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: favorite show was Crown, Yes, right now. In season four,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I got a sneak peek. My favorite show is Yellowstone. Okay, okay,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you know you know I'll be telling telling my black friends.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Come on board, Come on board. This is the show.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Yellowstone is like a Western Kevin Costner is brilliant, the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: whole cast is crazy. The season finale was a monster.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I can't wait till next summer. I'm mad. I don't
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: get us. I don't get a sneak preview. And Kevin,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Kevin Costner, even though he
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: is a superstar, I think he's underrated. I don't think
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: people give him the love he deserves. I agree with you.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Underrated And I series is it's it's incredible to see.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: That's what I love streaming services because it provides those
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: unique level of programming that we would normally get. And
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that is a jewel, that is a gym. Is that
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: sitting out there to wait? So any other shows before
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: we wrap that up? You feel a flying under the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: radar that people need to know about that. You guys,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: let me let me just say this. Let me just
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: say it's okay. Hey. My problem is reality television and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I like trashy reality fiancee other way, I don't do that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I don't do those. NY is crazy is crazy? Oh
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: my god, it's a great show on the planet. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: can't get it. I mean, I can sit down and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: they'll get me caught in a loop and then I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: host Married at First Sight all that because I love that,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't. I just it's the whole experiment
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of it all. I can't don't know, but I think
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: that if if I had to say a scripted series
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: that I love the most, it's Insecure, because that's so
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: it's the area where I live. She's a freaking genius.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: She's a genius, and it's just yeah, she does and
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: what she does though, it just it doesn't me off
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: because she knows just how much to give us. And
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: then she taketh away and was sitting here like killing me,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: killing me. This season was brilliant, like yes, I mean
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Insecure is like one in the Crown, maybe one a
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: for me right now. I mean, and because the season
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: of the Crown is Charles and Diana and all that drama,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: just I can't I can't wait for that. I'm I'm
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: excited about it early and I can't wait for the Crown.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: It's just it's so amazing. Um. There was a show
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: ex on Hulu did show Mrs America that you can
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: go find on streaming that Banana is Good. Banana is good,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and it's all about the women's liberation movement and all
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the power players within that movement. It, I mean, it
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: blew me away and I came to the party late.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Um I came to Watchman late, but I forgot about
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Shirley Chisholm. That's what I mean. People forgot about Shirley
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Chisholm and Watchman. I mean Regina Regina is can we say, yeah,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I'm doing my team. So I apologize. But I want
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to say this, And the other thing that I have
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: been telling everybody to watch is go back and watch Reconstruction. Um,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: it is a PBS Yes I did. And you need
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: to understand what happened in the United States because as
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: we look at this moment right now, a lot of
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: people don't understand that there was an opportunity to make
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: this right and that we as a nation said no
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and instead went down a very different in course pass
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Jim Crow in segregation, instead of going down a course
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: where we could have shared power. And there was shared
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: power for a couple of years and then everything went away.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So I think everybody needs to see Reconstruction so they
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: can understand what they took from people. And then you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: can watch that PBS dormentary is. I just recently watched it,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: like a couple of months ago. It's so, so very good.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm a cooking show person. Oh my gosh,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: she can let me just say this on I want
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to say this right now that he is offered to
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: give me money to cook for him everything I have
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: her cook I just said, Michelle, where you cook every
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: day and bring in the food and I'll just eat it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Here her gumbo and her at to fe is off
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the chain. She can make keto healthy candy and desserts.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what if. Here's what I was gonna say.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about, is the best show on television? Well,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: it's on streaming right now. But is the Great British Bakeoff?
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: It's on Netflix and it is the best show on television.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Chef's Table, Yes, incredible. Yeah, that Rodney Scott interview and
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Tutsie interview off the chain? Out Can I go? Can
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I go? Find? I just want to sit at Tutsie's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: table and you and like, please please please eight team.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: It's been thirty minutes and we're still talking minutes. It's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: been thirty minutes, and uh, the great part about this
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: whole relationship. We could continue talking, but I I I
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: can't let you go. Ra Sean. It's always a pleasure.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I know what you and Steve
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and A are doing. Y'all doing big things behind the scenes. Coming,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: It's just coming. It's coming, and I'm going to recognize
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people to recognize game. I know
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: it's I know what's happening behind the scenes. I know
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. I know what you're doing. Well, you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: just aside, No, man, my life is in such an
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: amazing place, and uh, I've just purchased a building in
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Atlanta and just uh you know my staff and just
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: be talking to you guys and just talk about life
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and from a black perspective on a major environment like
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: entertainment tonight, which is an iconic I'm just telling you
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: when I sincerely say this, I'm proud of you guys,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and you guys make a huge Black America. And I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be here right now, you know. And I see
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: why because, like you, you guys have a virtatial palette
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of how you receive information, how you live your life.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: So when I see you talking to different people, it's
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: not even out of the norm because you guys consume information,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: crown outrageous reality shows. Then then I bring up Yellowstone,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you know about that? Then I know about the chef table.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: You know about that. I've not bring up brought up
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: anything you didn't know about it. I tell everybody though,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I treat entertainment because we are journalists. I treat entertainment
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: news like a beat. It doesn't matter if we're talking
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: about you know, um Azerbaijan, if we're talking about um,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you know Kim Kardashian, if we're talking whatever, whatever it is,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: like that is your beat. So I treated like politics, sports,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: whatever like you get up every day. I read all
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of the trade. Understand I consume all the information. You
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: treat it like a beat. I will walk in and
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: she'll break some stuff down to me, and I'll be
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: like what I mean, like break it down? Well, I'm
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: a nut like that too. And so you guys have
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: not I and I interview a lot of people, and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: so you guys are what you do, your experts at
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: what you do, beautiful people. And guess what my goal
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: now is to be interviewed on entertainment to night. Come
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: on all this stuff we're about to drop in the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: fourth course, having stuff happening with them, the game changing.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I know about it, I know about it. You guys
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: be safe. Thank you for coming on, Love, go for
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you guys, and keep representing APP you all right, I
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: can't wait to see what y'all do.