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OK, so there's a novel out called Margot's Got Money
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Problems, which I don't pay very close attention to.
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The sort of genre of more racy women's novels that seem to take
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right now, the publishing world by storm.
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This one is the best selling novel from just a couple years
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ago, and it's been very popular. It's called Margot's Got Money
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Troubles. I first noticed this trend in
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publishing, of course, probably now a decade ago with the rise
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of the 50 Shades of Gray series, which are just basically smut
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novels. And this is another iteration of
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that. And it's really important
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because I think women are reading a lot of this kind of
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content. It's now being made into
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Hollywood films. It's now becoming part of the
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milieu that we live in culturally.
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It's now becoming almost the symbol of, I would say, a dying
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culture, that this is the kind of art and entertainment that
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we're creating. But I think there's a lot to
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untangle here in Margo's Got Money Troubles that people
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should be aware of. So this is a best selling novel.
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It's coming out. They just announced the teaser
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trailer. I'm going to show that in a
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second. It stars Elle Fanning, Michelle
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Pfeiffer, Nicole Kidman, so it's stacked with big names.
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And it is basically the story of a young woman who seemingly
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naively says yes to an unplanned pregnancy and doesn't abort her
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baby, which is great. That's a wonderful theme.
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There's a lot of people giving her advice that she should not
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have the baby, that she should have an abortion.
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She's the child of a Hooters waitress and an ex pro wrestler.
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And this girl Margo wanted always that she would be somehow
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be able to be successful. But she always had a sense that
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she would have to make it on her own because she's coming from
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these more humble background and parents are not really very
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involved in her life. So she gets pregnant, she
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decides to keep the baby. And then the whole story of what
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happens next unfolds. And this is, of course, what
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Margo's got money troubles is about.
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Let's take a quick look. This trailer that was announced
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recently, this is going viral. Everyone's talking about it.
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This is what the cultural conversation is about right now.
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Let's take a look. Get yourself back up off the
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floor, young lady. There are no victims in
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Bloomingdale's. What are you doing there?
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We're making educational videos. All right, so this is coming out
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in just a few weeks. And what happens here in the
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storyline, and I'll just give you, I don't know if these are
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spoilers. I mean, the book's already out
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there. Of course, fans of the book will
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know this through and through. I don't think many of the folks
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listening to this podcast are necessarily fans of the book.
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Some of you might be. But what happens is, is she has
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the baby, she's unemployed, she's on the verge of eviction,
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she's struggling as a single mother.
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And then she decides to use Only Fans in order to make a quick
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buck. And her own estranged father,
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Jinx, shows up on her doorstep, asked to move in with her.
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She agrees in exchange for help with childcare.
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And then she starts her Only Fan fans getting her dad's advice
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even about how he built his business in the world of
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wrestling. Now already, this is one of the
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most cynical plots that anybody could concoct.
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It really is. It's cynical on so many levels.
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And I need to just call that out.
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First of all, the girl chooses life for her baby, praise God.
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And she does that out of the sense of she wants to do what is
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right. And she's sort of portrayed as
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naive in the film. So that's already a little bit
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cynical that she's somehow already making a dumb decision
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potentially. But she chooses life for the
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baby. Beautiful.
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Then she has everything going wrong for her and she discovers
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or decides that only fans prostituting herself via only
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fans and pornography is going to be the path for her to be able
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to support herself. So apparently there's no other
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options on the table. There's no other ways to help
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care for herself or her baby. And so she resorts to only fans
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and then she becomes very Internet famous through only
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fans. And so the series isn't so much
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about whether or not only fans is OK or only fans being very
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problematic. The series is more about how
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she's dealing with new found fame.
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And I just already, it's so cynical because it's presenting
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the position of a woman choosing life and a baby that's such a
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blessing in such dire straits that the only kind of solution
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possible will be only fans. Now, art obviously mimics
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reality. Unfortunately, today there are,
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I think a million women, I think is the number that are signed up
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to use only fans. There's many more millions of
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and, and mostly they're women. There's some men involved, of
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course, but it's mostly women. And of course, there's many more
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millions of users of Only Fans. Think about that.
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Hundreds of thousands of American women are signing up
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for only Fans, many of them very young girls, who think that they
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can make a quick buck, be expressive in some way, I guess,
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and then be able to somehow launch a platform for
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themselves. When really what they're doing
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is setting the Internet is forever setting themselves up in
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this way that is so disrespectful of themselves,
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right? And it's ultimately, I think,
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preventing maybe opportunities that they could otherwise have
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pursued because now they are forever publicly online as
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effectively A pornographic prostitute.
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And I think it's been so destigmatized today.
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Only fans has become pornography has become so destigmatized
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today. It's become so normalized today.
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It's become so mainstream today that we don't really take it
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seriously as a problem, and so it becomes less socially
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stigmatized to even be an only fans creator.
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Even that language is euphemistic.
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It's this false language to try to present something as good
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that's actually bad. That's what they did with
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abortion. Abortion sounds like fine.
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A spontaneous abortion is a miscarriage.
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It's not a big deal. No abortion is the intentional
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killing of an innocent child. Being an only fans creator no is
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intentionally prostituting yourself and showing off your
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body and doing acts in order to sexually titillate others and
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leave them to lust. That's what it is.
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But again, that's been very much by society treated as more
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normal for girls to experiment with.
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And it's an actual consequence of the sexual revolution which
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hit this country in the 60s and 70s.
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We talked about this a lot on the show.
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You guys, you know this, but the sexual revolution came into the
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world into especially the Western world, United States.
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Burn your bra, the free love movement and it's all about I
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get to do what I want for sexual pleasure provided there's
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consent. Sex has no morality around it
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except for consent. Sex doesn't have to be in
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marriage, just two consenting adults.
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Sex doesn't have to be done and if there's a baby I'm then
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responsible. No, just have an abortion.
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Just use contraception and you'll be fine.
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And then you're not on the hook for a child.
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Oh, that fails? Then just have an abortion.
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Sex is not about self gift to the other person and lifelong
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love. Sex is just about what I want on
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my terms and physical pleasure. Marriage, marriage really
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doesn't matter. It's a piece of paper.
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You can still do it if you want to, but it's not worth it.
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We're going to talk in a few minutes in this live about a New
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York Times piece that's sort of semi glamorizing polyamory.
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It's also a bit cynical in my view.
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It also has a bit of a negative spin, but that's another
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iteration of the sexual revolution today.
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Still on Sterile. Now monogamy is in marriage
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isn't even a is seen as as normal now it's becoming
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destigmatized to have an open marriage where you now practice
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polyamory and you now open your marriage to other people.
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This is all the cultural moment that we find ourselves in.
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And I was talking with Adam Lane Smith recently on the show and
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he is the attachment expert. He has this incredible work of
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talking about how you can build strong, secure, lifelong,
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lasting bonds in marriage. We've done episodes with him.
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They're fantastic. We're going to put out another
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one soon. And he was talking about how he
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sees Gen. Z as really increasingly the
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haves and the have nots because a lot of this is Gen.
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Z Gen. Z are the ones using only fans
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at alarming rates. Gen.
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Z are the ones growing up in this nightmare of a culture when
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it comes to sex and marriage and relationships.
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And there's two groups of Gen. Z largely speaking today and
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Margo's got money problems very much is Group One.
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Group One of the two groups of Gen.
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Z today is people that are just living in really a lot of
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despair, where their relationships are broken, where
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they do not feel safe or protected, or they don't feel a
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strong sense of purpose. They feel lost and disconnected.
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They have major attachment issues, and they're caught up in
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cycles of despair and anxiousness and restlessness and
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ultimately joylessness. And this is very much the story
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of Margot's. Margot's got money.
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She's got money maybe illicitly through only Fans, but she's
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really got nothing else is very much the message, right of the
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even book and certainly this TV series, except obviously this
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beautiful new infant who's caught up in this like chaos,
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right. But the message of Margot's got
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money is that if you do do the right thing and choose life with
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your baby and first of all, you're you're coming from this
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broken family. Her parents had all these
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issues. She's kind of on her own.
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She sleeps with a guy, she gets pregnant, and now she's just
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totally at the mercy of a cruel world and she's using only fans
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because she's making a buck. And now she's famous, right?
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It's an extremely dystopian broken world that she's in that
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she's living and her relationships are all totally
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disordered. Her parents, her dad, who's
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supposed to be her protector provider, is a separate from her
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mother and now like basically helping pimp her out.
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Her mother was never really a model for her of how to be a
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woman. She was this waitress at
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Hooters. She tries to become a woman and
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come of age and she's having sex with guys that don't care for
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her. She gets pregnant.
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She does try to do the right thing and and protect this
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baby's life and then she just goes down this path of
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destruction ultimately. And the problem with Margo's got
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money is they're not even portraying it as the path of
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destruction. They're more presenting it as
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how she's dealing with the fame of being an only fans model.
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So it's more through that worldview of like money,
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success, self empowerment and fame as opposed to the reality
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of what we're designed for as humans, which is relationship,
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love, fulfilment. Peace.
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Purpose, right? So the whole framework of
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Margo's got money is the the group, one of the two groups of
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Gen. Z largely today, which is the
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grouping of materialism, hedonism, purposelessness,
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despair, anxiety, just really the chaos that so much of Gen.
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Z is growing up in and and grew up.
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And quite frankly. And then, you know, you connect
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that with the dopamine hits that Gen.
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Z is constantly grew up with of social media, the dopamine hit
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of pornography that much of Gen. Z Z got addicted to at young
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ages. And many millennials too.
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It's not just Gen. Z, but especially Gen.
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Z growing up with the iPhone, the ever present computer, the
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ever present personal tablet, the ever present iPhone.
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And the earlier, you know, the average age of sexual exposure
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some people are estimating for Gen.
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Z is 8 years old. So they're growing up with
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sexual addiction and they're growing up with pornography.
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So is it any surprise that, you know, basically half of Gen.
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Z or this grouping of Gen. Z thinks only fans is normal?
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In fact, to many people in Gen. Z, only fans is like, not even
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as hardcore as porn or bad as, you know, a lot of porn because,
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you know, the creator is more in control in getting the money.
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They're not victimized by the porn industry.
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And oh, the creator gets to choose how much skin to show and
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what to do, unlike the porn industry, which is much more
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hardcore, blah, blah, blah. I've heard those arguments made
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by the way, by only fan creators who say that this is somehow
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empowering for them. We had on by the way on the show
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as you guys don't remember Nala Ray, who used to be a very
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highly compensated only fans model and she hit rock bottom
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even though she was making millions of dollars with the
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despair and hopelessness that, you know, cohort that she was
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part of as that Gen. Z hooked on the dopamine, hooked
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on the meaninglessness, hooked on sex, hooked on for her case
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only only fans. She hit rock bottom.
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She had a come to Jesus experience where God's grace
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touched her heart and she said never again.
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I'm going to leave that she walked away.
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She left millions of dollars on the table and she ended up
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getting married and now she's living a life of faith.
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She's been on the show. She's amazing.
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That is cohort 1 of Gen. Z and Margot's got money
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problems is 100% cohort 1 of Gen.
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Z. But as I was talking with Adam
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Lane Smith about these two cohorts of Gen.
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Z, these two groups, there's another group of Gen.
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Z that I'm very encouraged by and inspired by.
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And this is what gives me hope for Gen.
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Alpha, the younger generation after Gen.
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Z. This is the group of Gen.
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Z who sees the craziness, who sees the utter depravity of the
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conditions in which Margot was raised in ultimately and the
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kind of world she's living in of only fans now.
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And they reject it. They're they're like, no, no,
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no. We want love, We want purpose,
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we want meaning, we want to serve God.
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We respect tradition. We want to understand where we
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came from. We want to have values and
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morals. And they want to put the genie
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back in the bottle in terms of what is sex designed for.
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It's like designed for lifelong lasting love and to be open to
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children. They want to, they want to get
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married and have strong marriages.
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They're going back to church, They're pursuing, many of them
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are becoming Catholic because they believe that the
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ancientness of the Catholic Church is a rootedness that has
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stood the test of time, and they want to be part of that.
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This is the other cohort, and it's what gives me a lot of
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hope. Now, back to Margo's got money
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for a minute. I want to pull up here some
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commentary that I've seen. So this is on X.
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This has gone viral. The trailer has gone viral and
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let's pull up this from this first kind of comment from Axe
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here from the Serrate and the memorist.
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You can pull that up Paris. Ah yes, the single mom working
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her way through college. Excuse.
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Men used to shove money into strippers.
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Underpants now has its own TV show.
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Or is it just running cover for human trafficking as usual?
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I think this is a great point. We're just saying, oh, the
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single mom is working so hard on only fans.
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It's actually just a cover for human trafficking.
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And by the way, you can traffic yourself.
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So there's absolutely human trafficking where people are
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taken by force or coerced or their children.
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We had Tim Tebow on the show recently.
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He was talking about human trafficking and the use of
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sexual child assault material and how that's proliferating,
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how horrible that is. But I would say that every Only
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Fans model engaging in online pornography is effectively
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trafficking themselves. They are pimping themselves.
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They are hurting themselves. They deserve better than that as
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human beings and made in the image and likeness of God.
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And anybody who's consuming Only Fans content or pornography or
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any kind of sexually explicit content or acting out sexually
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outside of the beautiful context of lifelong marriage is also
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hurting themselves. They're victimizing themselves.
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And you know, this obviously I think is spot on about Margo's
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Got Money. Here's another comment.
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This is from a gal named Aurora, and she says this is another
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part of the viral comments coming out on X about Margaret's
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got money. I was holding out hope that it
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would be a cautionary tale critical of the online sex
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industry, but it looks more like their girl bossifying it.
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And there's this little funny video which we can play as part
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of that and we. That's how I feel.
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Total, OK, there's some bad language, sorry guys, we'll
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bleep it out afterwards, but basically total effing BS is
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what this guy is saying. And I agree with Aurora that
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this is exactly what Margo's got money is doing.
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They're taking the online sex industry and they're basically
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girl bossifying it and glorifying it.
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So final word on this show, do not watch it.
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Do not waste time on it. If you're talking to people,
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contextualize it the way that it deserves to be.
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Contextualize it. Contextualize that they're girl
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bossing and glamorizing pornography.
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And they're also have this really cynical, basically anti
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life message in there that if you choose life for your baby,
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you're going to end up girl bossing pornography, which is
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completely false. We work with a lot of single
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mothers. I know thousands of stories.
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There's thousands of pregnancy resource centers that single
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moms who choose life courageously for their babies.
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If they choose adoption, the beautiful life that that baby
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has, or if they choose to parent, the amazing, yeah,
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difficult path, but the amazing path that they can have living
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with integrity, not doing only founds or something crazy, but
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maybe getting a degree, getting a job, finding their career and
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their purpose and all the things that God can do through their
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yes to life. Some of these women, they, they
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go on, they marry a good man, they have more kids.
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All of this is very, very possible.
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That is the right vision to have instead of this Margos got money
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vision. All right, let's move on though,
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because I want to get to another story that's going viral right
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now. New York Times polyamory story.
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All right, so one more viral story.
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Timothy Shalmanay gets cancelled.
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Shalmanay Shalamay Clearly I'm a huge fan.
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I'm sorry, Timothy Shalamay, you are cancelled according to a lot
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of the Internet right now because you dared to come out
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against ballet and opera. I want to just briefly talk
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about this before talking about Iran, which is much more
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important. And then also this very
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interesting polyamory story that was the headline head headlines
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over at the New York Times. But so Shalomay, he's a very
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talented. Actor he is making the rounds
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right now and doing interviews about his recent projects.
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And this was a very this was a very viral clip that came from a
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conversation that he had with his Interstellar Co star at the
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University of Texas and Austin Moody's College of
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Communications just a few weeks ago.
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He was talking about the challenges of theatrical films
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to in recent years, especially with streaming platforms and
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social media and YouTube basically shortening the
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attention spans of audiences, which is a real problem.
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And this is a comment that he made.
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We're going to pull up this clip.
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And in context, I want to add the context here.
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He's talking about how they're trying to keep movie theaters
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alive and the genre alive. And so that's why they're trying
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to find, you know, long form film projects that people
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actually want to go watch. Here's the clip.
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And I don't want to be working in ballet or opera or, you know,
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things where it's like, hey, keep this thing alive, even.
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Though, Yeah, yeah, no one cares about this, Yeah.
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All respect to the ballet and opera people out there.
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I just lost $0.14 in viewership but damn I just took shots for
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no reason. All right, so let's This is the
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headline from the New York from the Los Angeles Times.
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This says, and this was just yesterday, viral backlash over
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Timothy Chalamet's ballet and opera comments kind of proves
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his point. There was a lot of viral
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backlash. People very upset that he kind
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of gave the through shade, you could say on ballet and opera.
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And he is, you know, roundly being denounced by people in the
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art saying how could you do this?
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That interview that he did was with Matthew McConaughey.
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McConaughey a few weeks ago. So let's look at some of the
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reactions that people are having and then I will give you guys my
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take. So we've got this little clip.
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Timothy Chalamet's controversial ballet and opera comments made
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it to SN LS. We could update.
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Let's play this. Timothy Chalamet is being
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criticized by major opera and ballet organizations after he
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said that no one cares about those art forms.
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Chalamet made the comment on a press tour for his movie about
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ping Pong. That's funny, this is a more
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interesting take. This Billy Binion on X.
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Let's pull this tweet up Harris. And he says y'all come on.
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I used to work for an opera company.
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My checks, which I needed to pay rent, bounced more than once.
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Glide phasing phrasing aside, Timothy Chalamet is right.
23:09
Very few people care about opera.
23:11
It sucks, but that's reality. Now, the reason I thought this
23:15
is worth talking about guys, besides it just being a kind of
23:18
funny but sort of sad viral story is because I do think that
23:23
we have become so dumbed down in how we consume and create
23:27
content today that we have lost an appreciation for the arts,
23:32
the Fine Arts, including ballet and opera.
23:35
Now, ballet and opera are not thousands of year old, you know?
23:38
They're kind of forms that have iterated maybe from more ancient
23:42
forms of playwright, of plays and of performances.
23:46
But opera originated in Italy, my home country, not exactly
23:51
home country. I'm part Italian, part of my
23:54
family does have citizenship actually, but it is a country
23:57
very near and dear to me, as I'm half Italian.
24:00
It originated in Italy around 1600.
24:02
You have these beautiful operas that were created from Baroque
24:07
spectacles to classical balance and romantic emotionalism.
24:10
We have all these beautiful kinds of entertainment that's
24:12
now becoming popularized in Italy around the time.
24:15
And then ballet is 15th century Italian Renaissance.
24:19
And so these are, you know, from the heart of Italy and they're
24:22
hundreds of years old art forms. When I met my husband, the first
24:27
date he asked me on was to the opera, and that really resonated
24:32
with me. Not that I have a special love
24:34
for the opera, but I do enjoy it and I have a respect for it.
24:37
And I think that the arts, the Fine Arts, should be treasured
24:41
in any society. And when we reach a high level
24:44
of art form, whether it's ballet or opera, we should prize that
24:49
and any culture should celebrate that because it's storytelling
24:53
in a beautiful way at its finest.
24:56
Or it's dance, storytelling through dance in a beautiful way
24:59
at its finest. It's storytelling through song
25:03
in opera at in a beautiful way at its finest.
25:06
We should celebrate what is excellent in a culture that
25:09
can't celebrate excellence is AI think a dying culture and it's
25:14
degrading because the human person was made for beauty and
25:17
for excellence. That's what we were made to
25:19
desire. That's what we were designed to
25:21
be able to create. We are made in God's image and
25:24
likeness, so we have the stamp of the Creator on us.
25:27
So I don't want to beat a dead horse here.
25:30
I don't think Timothy Chalamet should be cancelled.
25:33
I think that's crazy. He's allowed to have this
25:36
opinion. Of course I wrote a sub stack.
25:38
Actually, you guys should make sure you're subscribed to our
25:40
new sub stack. Go check it out.
25:42
I'll link it. But we wrote a sub stack a few
25:45
weeks ago about charity in speech and how, you know, people
25:50
can agree to disagree with each other and have honest debate
25:53
about topics, but they should never attack or disparage each
25:56
other or try to, you know, say that you're not allowed to have
25:59
an opinion. And I think now again, like,
26:03
what is that opinion? I think an opinion.
26:04
I don't like opera. I don't think it's like, you
26:06
know, worth fighting for. That's an opinion, right?
26:08
It's a little different, of course, when you're talking
26:10
about slandering someone or attacking someone.
26:13
And that's where I would say you should not be expressing
26:16
opinions that are trying to destroy other people's
26:19
reputations or other people's identity or whatever it is.
26:23
But I think we should have charity for Chalamet.
26:24
And I think we should also, you know, be willing to speak our
26:27
minds on stuff. But I think objectively
26:30
speaking, well, Timothy Chalamet is right that many people today
26:34
are more excited by and stimulated by the lower art
26:40
forms like short form video, which we create on the show.
26:43
We have, you know, an Instagram account and a TikTok and we
26:46
create short form video. Well, that may be more
26:48
stimulating and may give that immediate dopamine hit to
26:51
somebody. I think that the longer form
26:56
Fine Arts, especially a live performance, there's something
27:00
so human about that. And the time it takes to tell a
27:03
story and to watch a story unfold is so human as opposed to
27:09
just like grabbing attention and giving them a jolt of, you know,
27:12
feel good hormone. And I think that's more what we
27:15
are designed for as human beings.
27:18
And the fact that the Fine Arts today is struggling financially,
27:21
I think is a sad thing objectively, and we should be
27:24
investing more in the Fine Arts. My husband loves to support the
27:28
Baroque Music Festival. They have them across
27:31
California. They might have them across the
27:33
country. And they basically have live
27:36
performances of more ancient musical forms, concerts.
27:41
And that's something that, you know, small way that our family
27:44
tries to enjoy and patronize an art form that is truly,
27:48
objectively beautiful and is very human and has been with us
27:52
for centuries. And I think we should be doing
27:54
more of that. All right, next story and I'm
27:59
going to take a look at the chat towards the end of this.
28:02
So please leave your comments. I see the chat going.
28:04
Thank you guys for joining the live.
28:06
I should have said this earlier. I'm I'm planning to do these
28:11
lives on Wednesday and we typically have been doing these
28:14
lives on Wednesday. I said I'm going to show up on
28:16
Wednesdays and do the live because we were doing them very
28:19
sporadically before, maybe like once every couple months.
28:23
This is Tuesday. I'm I'm well aware it's Tuesday.
28:26
The reason we're doing the Live Today instead of tomorrow is
28:30
because we have a very special set of interviews that we're
28:33
doing tomorrow in studio. And so we weren't able to do the
28:37
live tomorrow, but they're going to be great interviews.
28:39
You're going to love them and we're doing it today.
28:42
So thank you everybody who's tuning in.
28:45
Headline. A headline in the New York Times
28:48
was this story. This was just a few days ago.
28:51
Pull it up. Lindy W thought she couldn't
28:54
handle polyamory. She was wrong.
28:58
The writer reluctantly agreed to a non monogamous marriage, but
29:02
the way she felt about her husband's new girlfriend
29:04
completely surprised her. This is part of their Modern
29:06
Love series, and The New York Times, I think, is completely
29:11
foolish, completely and utterly foolish.
29:14
Most of its editorial board, a lot of its reporting, and
29:16
certainly this series on Modern Love, it's basically trying to
29:20
be edgy and cool by upending morality around sex that is
29:26
tried and true and that's designed for human flourishing
29:28
and happiness and fulfillment. And they're trying to just like,
29:32
ha ha, we're so cool and edgy. We're going to open our marriage
29:35
and write this interesting piece about this lady.
29:37
And they think it's like cool and fun when really it's deeply,
29:42
deeply depressing. And my heart goes out for this
29:45
woman, for her marriage. Well, we're going to get into
29:48
the details here in a minute, but this is a thing, you guys,
29:51
This is a trend today. I see it trying to edgily open
29:56
marriages, promote polyamory. I even see a few Christians.
30:01
They're very few, but they're usually these fundamentalist.
30:05
They would identify as evangelical, but they're more
30:07
like fundamentalist guys. And they're like, well, there's
30:11
polyamory or there's polygamy, I should say, in the Old
30:13
Testament. So now we're going to go do like
30:16
Moses and Abraham because I guess God commanded them, this
30:20
pastor. And basically, I'm going to now,
30:24
you know, not to be crassier, but have sex with the nanny or
30:26
the sitter. And now she's my wife too.
30:29
And they have wife one, number one.
30:30
And now they have wife #2 there's actually some of these
30:32
guys right now in America who are becoming influencers to
30:36
promote polygamy. It's really just polyamory and
30:40
opening up your marriage for the sake of lust and convenience.
30:44
But they're trying to put a Christian veneer on it.
30:46
So I don't mean to say it's just the New York Times doing this
30:48
crazy stuff. There's all kinds of this crazy
30:50
stuff blowing up anytime you normalize the up ending of
30:57
social norms around sex, anytime you normalize the destruction of
31:02
sexual morality, one man, one woman for life.
31:07
Sex is in that context beautiful, intimate, beautiful,
31:10
open to life. Anytime you mess with that
31:14
design, you're going to get obviously stuff like
31:19
prostitution, only fans, pornography.
31:22
You're certainly going to get divorce, hookup culture,
31:25
hedonism. You're going to get a lot of
31:27
abuse. You're going to get a lot of
31:29
abuse, affairs, adultery, and you're absolutely going to get
31:34
this. You're going to get Lindy W
31:36
thought she couldn't handle polyamory.
31:38
She was wrong. The way she felt about her
31:41
husband's girlfriend completely surprised her.
31:44
Oh, my goodness, so sad. Here, let's look into this.
31:48
This is a liberal feminist writer that Lindy West, this
31:50
woman that's pictured here, she was married to a musician after
31:54
years of feeling insecure about relationships in her own body
31:57
image. She says I had always been kind
32:00
of lonely and single and sad and yearning and growing up in a fat
32:04
in a fat body. People tell you no one will ever
32:06
love you unless you fix your body.
32:09
I then being a very visible woman on the Internet, strangers
32:12
are just telling you that every day.
32:13
I think I just imagined that we would stay on the sort of
32:15
traditional track. I thought we'd probably have a
32:17
baby and buy a house, blah, blah, blah.
32:19
And I think I envisioned a happy classic marriage after a short
32:22
breakup. The husband says I want non
32:25
monogamy and it was presented and this is what the New York
32:28
Times is telling an interview has a transcript of an interview
32:33
with Lindy W The New York Times asks, was it presented as sort
32:36
of like we can get back together if we are non monogamous?
32:39
Was it at like a conditional thing?
32:41
W yes, basically. But it wasn't him saying I'm
32:44
going to go out and date people. We were a couple who loved each
32:47
other desperately getting back together in 2019, Wes learns her
32:53
husband had been dating another woman.
32:54
She initially real acted with jealousy and insecurity.
32:57
Instead of ending the marriage, she began therapy where she
32:59
reframed the situation. Let's just reframe it.
33:03
Ah, you're cheating on me. You don't want to be faithful to
33:06
our marriage vows. OK, I'm going to reframe that
33:10
and rediscover myself. This is what it says.
33:12
She's dead. She took a road trip across the
33:14
country. And then she finds out that
33:17
apparently the girlfriend of the husband has a crush on her.
33:21
She's bisexual. Now all of a sudden, this is my
33:25
ally. This is someone that I'm curious
33:27
about, that I like. And now they're in this open
33:30
marriage, or I should say this threesome marriage, this
33:33
polyamory marriage. Now, there's no such thing as an
33:38
open marriage or a polyamorous marriage.
33:41
Marriage is between just like there's no such thing as a gay
33:43
marriage, guys, marriage is between one man and one woman
33:47
for life. That's the design of our bodies.
33:49
That's the design and has been throughout history and cultures.
33:53
That's biblical from a Christian perspective.
33:56
Keep in mind our faith, Christianity is never in
33:59
conflict with nature. God is the author of nature.
34:02
So everything that's biblical is going to be within the order
34:05
that God created in nature. That's the natural law.
34:08
And I just, I mean, I, I honestly makes me just sad.
34:14
It makes me sad because not only is she living a life that is in
34:18
conflict with the design, she was tricked into being told that
34:22
this was normal and good for her.
34:23
Here's a tweet. We can pull this up.
34:28
This is from a an ex author who writes comedic essays.
34:34
Substack writer she says can we pull this up from cartoons hate
34:38
her. I know she she's a huge person
34:42
on Substack. Cartoons hate her.
34:45
I know she eventually came around but I feel like anything
34:48
sexual romantic that initially makes you cry and feel intense
34:52
dread is probably not for you and you should not do it 1000%.
34:59
I mean how do people get into sadomasochism?
35:02
How do people get into any kind of abusive relationship and stay
35:06
because they start to normalize and interpret a condition or
35:11
experience that initially raised major alarm bells and brought
35:17
them pain and suffering. And then they reframe it through
35:21
trauma and wounding, that now it is somehow normal and good for
35:26
me. And I had this emotional
35:29
hormonal reaction to it. And now I'm like the little rat
35:32
at the pump with the Sweetwater, but it's actually filled with
35:35
poison and like, you know, continually trying to get more
35:39
and more of the poison. Yum, Yum, Yum, Yum, Yum, right?
35:42
That is the addict, you know, in a nutshell.
35:45
But it's also the the traumatized, emotionally and
35:50
spiritually wounded person who is now acting out on the
35:55
wrongdoing done to them and the habitual wrongdoing that they've
35:58
created and building a habit, ultimately A lifelong habit that
36:02
becomes cement for them. And that's what's happened here
36:05
with Lindy West. And there's all kinds of
36:07
justifications for it, rationalizations for it,
36:11
normalizations for it. But it's still deeply wrong and
36:16
wounding. What's wrong is going to be
36:19
wounding. And you can never, you know, you
36:23
can do wrong things and you can escape some of the temporal
36:25
consequences, right? You can, you can run the red
36:28
light and maybe not run over anybody or get a ticket.
36:31
It's still wrong to do it. But a lot of the time when you
36:33
run the red light, you get a ticket or you, you, you do
36:36
something, get in an accident, it's bad.
36:39
Often there are consequences, real world consequences to our
36:41
action. And I think that, you know, we
36:45
don't even begin to see the consequences in this woman's
36:47
life. You know, she's obviously
36:48
positioning as this positive thing, but deep down, when she
36:53
closes her eyes at night, she's going to sleep.
36:56
Is she really got peace in her soul?
36:58
Like a real lasting peace and real lasting joy because the
37:02
devil and evil can mimic peace, kind of like subdue you, calm
37:06
you, maybe even give you some good feelings.
37:08
But is that really that deep peace when you close your eyes
37:10
at night and you go to bed and you're saying, this is how I'm
37:13
supposed to be living. This is what life is about.
37:15
You really believe that deep in your soul.
37:17
And I'm going to guess with Lindy, it's not the case.
37:20
And I'm going to pray for her. And we got to pray for her
37:21
family. We got to pray for everybody
37:23
caught up in the sexual hedonism, this culture that
37:25
we're living in that's so confused.
37:27
A lot of people are hurting. But you know, it's not just the
37:30
New York Times doing this nonsense.
37:31
It's happening everywhere, you guys.
37:33
And that's what I was saying about Gen.
37:34
Z, the two categories. Gen.
37:35
Z that is just falling apart at the seams.
37:38
In this case, she's a millennial.
37:39
I think she's falling apart at the seams.
37:41
Or the people that are like, no, we're going to build something
37:43
good. We're going to have a moral
37:44
order. We're going to seek love and
37:46
truth. This camp is going to run the
37:49
world, I believe is going to build the world.
37:52
And that's the camp that we want to be in and the camp that we
37:55
want to call people over to. Because Lindy W is not too far
37:58
gone. No one is.
37:59
Everybody in the camp of chaos, sexual chaos, hedonism,
38:03
meaninglessness, We can pull them over to the good camp.
38:06
That should be our project. That's part of the project of
38:08
the show. That's why we do this show, want
38:10
to pull people to the good camp and celebrate and build the
38:13
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39:09
If Christians want to think seriously about war and not just
39:11
think about it in terms of what's trending on Acts or what
39:14
are the headlines telling me, or maybe just ignore it.
39:16
In meantime, this whole war is blowing up that my country is
39:19
involved in. I think Christians need to start
39:22
with the just War tradition, which is a tradition that was
39:26
articulated by thinkers like Saint Augustine and Saint Thomas
39:29
Aquinas to help us understand as Christians whether or not a war
39:34
is just. And it really matters whether or
39:37
not a war is just. It matters as much as it matters
39:39
whether or not somebody murdered somebody else or they committed
39:44
an an act of self-defense because somebody was running out
39:47
them with a knife and trying to stab them and their child.
39:49
I mean, that's how serious this distinction is.
39:51
The difference between I run out into the street and I plunge a
39:54
knife into someone's back versus I am being attacked by someone
39:59
and, you know, I likely have a child or someone else in
40:01
protecting and I fight back and maybe that leads to the death of
40:03
the person I am fighting against.
40:06
The distinction is one that is a moral distinction that is
40:10
crucial for any nation. You do not want to live in a
40:16
nation that is committing unjust wars.
40:19
And promoting unjust wars. And if you do live in that
40:22
nation, which many of us may experience in this imperfect
40:26
world, including potentially here in America, which we're
40:28
going to get into, then you should be able to speak out
40:31
about it. So let's get into this quickly.
40:34
Now, you guys know I'm not a foreign policy expert and you
40:38
also know that we do talk about foreign policy occasionally on
40:41
this show and we will continue to do that.
40:45
So we're going to bring in the nuance that we are aware of with
40:48
the caveat that we don't have all the information, but these
40:51
are some of the facts that we do have.
40:54
The war in Iran commenced just a little over a week ago.
40:56
We started by bombing in Iran. And the reasoning for this from
41:01
the administration, from the Trump administration has been
41:04
varied. It has included comments from
41:06
the administration about how Iran was beginning to possess
41:11
more nuclear capacity capabilities and that would be a
41:14
threat to the United States and its interest.
41:16
Iran has said, you know, death to America and to the Western
41:19
world and is very against the American people in many ways and
41:24
in terms of its culture. There has been talk about how
41:27
there was a mass casualty event where the Iranian government
41:31
apparently killed 10s of thousands of protesters in the
41:33
streets of Iran just last month, I believe it was.
41:36
And so the people of Iran have been really struggling under its
41:39
current leadership where women have very few rights, where
41:43
there's a lot of ill treatment of political prisoners, there's
41:45
a lack of freedom of speech. It's Sharia law in Iran.
41:49
So it's Muslim ruled and there is Sharia law in Iran.
41:53
All of these things are realities.
41:55
Also, Iran is a major enemy of Israel in the region and has
41:59
warred against Israel and helped fund Hamas and other groups that
42:03
have attacked Israel. And we are an ally with Israel.
42:06
And so the administration has indicated that Israel is it's in
42:09
their interest and us protecting our interest in the Middle East
42:11
region in order for us to go to war with Iran.
42:14
All of this has been part and parcel the justification from
42:16
the administration. Now, right now, just another
42:19
fact. We are spending $1 billion a day
42:21
on average is my understanding on this war.
42:23
It's very expensive. There have been apparently 1200
42:26
casualties is the latest number that I've seen, many of them
42:29
Iranian casualties, people in Iran, some in other countries
42:33
around Iran. And there have been, I think, 6
42:36
or 7 American lives that have been lost and 140 US service
42:41
members that have been wounded. Overall apparent, according to
42:44
recent reports. There was also a recent bombing
42:48
last week of what it was ultimately an Iranian school,
42:52
boys and girls school, And reports say that over 150
42:56
Iranian boys and girls were killed in this bombing, this
42:59
targeted strike. There is still debate about who
43:02
did that bombing. Some experts are saying the
43:05
United States 100% did that bombing.
43:07
Some people are saying it was a mistaken identity situation
43:10
because the site of the school was part of a larger base that
43:13
used to be used by the Iranian military.
43:16
And so America may have been trying to bomb that, but then
43:18
they bombed the school. America and Trump recently said,
43:21
no, it's actually Iran that did this.
43:23
Iran bombed their own school because they're very imprecise
43:26
with their missiles and they don't know how to fire them.
43:28
And they just bombed their own school and the kind of fog of
43:31
war. So this is all going on, but
43:34
what I want to get to here is what is just war theory and how
43:37
should we as Americans? We're not foreign policy experts
43:41
per SE, but we are Americans. We have the right to vote and
43:45
the responsibility to vote. We have the responsibility and
43:48
the right to speak out, I believe, about what's happening
43:50
with our country waging war or being involved in war.
43:54
And we should be able to have a lens that is true by which to
43:59
ascertain the actions of our own government and of other foreign
44:02
nations. So let's look at this.
44:04
Saint Thomas and Saint Augustine are two brilliant moral
44:09
theologians, Christian moral theologians.
44:13
We just had down Gavin Ortland, who is a very passionate
44:17
Protestant apologist. And YouTube on the show.
44:20
The show with him is coming out soon.
44:22
I asked him who are your favorite I think theologians,
44:25
and he said Saint Augustine and Saint Thomas Aquinas.
44:28
So you don't have to be Catholic to love these theologians.
44:31
And a lot of Protestants really look to Saint Augustine and
44:34
Saint Thomas Aquinas for their moral worldview and helping to
44:38
interpret some more morally maybe complex questions.
44:42
OK, so let's start with Saint Augustine.
44:44
Saint Augustine says that war must aim at peace and justice.
44:49
The the role of war must be peace and justice.
44:52
He was the originator. St.
44:53
Augustine of HIPAA was the originator.
44:55
He's also the author of Confessions, that famous
44:57
spiritual masterpiece. We talked about him, I think in
45:00
the Last Live, actually, he said Make me chase, but not yet.
45:05
So he had this whole conversion process and he ended up becoming
45:09
passionately a Christian, but it took him time because he was
45:12
living this kind of crazy life before that.
45:14
Anyways, he was brilliant. He's the originator of Just
45:17
Worth Thinking in Christian theology.
45:19
And this was early 5th century by the way, guys.
45:21
So just to kind of time and place this, this is now over
45:24
15116 going on 1700 years old. Saint Augustine argues that
45:32
violence can be morally legitimate when it is used by
45:35
rightful authorities to restrain evil and restore peace.
45:39
So there is a measuring stick for when you can use violence
45:45
and that it must be used by the rightful authority.
45:48
They have the authority to use it, to wield it and it must be
45:51
done to restrain evil and restore peace.
45:54
Augustine writes in City of God the the wise man will wage just
45:58
wars of just wars. So when you do go into war,
46:02
that's just you're not happy about it because war is hell.
46:05
War leads to death and suffering.
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You're only doing this to achieve in the end peace and to
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restrain evil. He ultimately is saying when war
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is justified, it should never be celebrated.
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This is a very important point. The moral posture of the
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Christian politician and certainly the Christian citizen
46:25
should be sorrow, not triumph at the prospect or the event of
46:29
war. The moral posture of the
46:32
Christian statesman or citizen at the prospect or the event of
46:36
war should be sorrow, not triumph.
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This is an important matter. First, why when we hear about
46:45
war, I think there can be maybe a tendency to excitement because
46:50
of the maybe desire to conquer one's foes.
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And it's good to exert courage and passion if it's a just war,
47:00
to conquer one's foes for the sake of peace, right?
47:04
But there should be done with a, it should be done with
47:07
ultimately A reservedness, A soberness, because lives are on
47:12
the line. And this is not a, this is not
47:16
done lightly. This is not done cavalierly when
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we punish grave injustice to protect the innocent and
47:24
responding to aggression, we're doing this with a sobriety, a
47:29
seriousness of soberness. So Saint Thomas Aquinas, he
47:33
developed this idea more and he developed the idea of the the
47:41
three conditions of a just war. So I don't know if we have a
47:44
picture of Saint Thomas Aquinas here.
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He's a 13th century Dominican Friar, philosopher and
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theologian. He wrote the Summa Theologica.
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He was known as the angelic Dr. He helped basically to bridge
47:55
Aristotelian philosophy with Christian theology.
47:58
So he brought everything that was good from Plato and
48:01
Aristotle, and he brought it through the lens ultimately of
48:05
divine revelation of Jesus Christ in the Bible and the New
48:07
Testament. So Saint Thomas Aquinas would
48:10
systematize Augustine's thinking in the Summit Theologica and the
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The Summit Theologia. And he says that three
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conditions must be met for a war to be morally justified.
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He writes, first, in order for a war to be just, three things
48:24
must three things are necessary. First, the authority of the
48:28
sovereign, so they must have the right to do it.
48:32
Second, a just cause. And 3rd, a rightful intention,
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and this has then been elaborated on by more Catholic
48:41
moral theologians over the years.
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You need to be have legitimate authority.
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Yes, a government that has the right to wage the war.
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There has been questions, does Trump have the right to wage
48:49
this war without their approval of Congress?
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Apparently Congress, you know, did not vote on this.
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And that is a, you know, one question that people have had.
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You need a just cause. And you know, what is the just
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cause in the case of the Iranian war?
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These are the questions that are open and and being discussed.
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And there needs to be right intention.
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There also needs to be the probability of success.
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This is an added moral, moral concept that people have
49:17
included in order for the war to be more just, it needs to be a
49:21
last resort. Is this really the only way to
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achieve justice war? Could we have achieved justice
49:28
through other means, like diplomacy, as an example,
49:31
sanctions, you know, there's other, you know, tools in the
49:34
toolbox of obviously Foreign Relations besides just bombing
49:38
and going to war. And then lastly, proportionality
49:42
is the offense or the injustice or the end that we're trying to
49:45
achieve with the war in proportion to the suffering and
49:50
the amount of damage and lives lost that the war will likely
49:54
entail. So those are all crucial
49:57
questions that should be soberly reviewed, analyzed, decided
50:01
before just pressing go on the missile launch.
50:05
So Michael Knowles, a friend of mine who I love and think is
50:09
amazing, he's a good, good guy. He thinks it's a just war.
50:15
This is his tweet about it. If we can pull that up, Harris,
50:18
he says, is it a last resort? He says, yes.
50:20
We've been negotiating with Iran for 50 years to basically stop
50:24
developing their nuclear nucleus, nuclear weaponry and
50:29
to, you know, stop saying death to America, etcetera, etcetera.
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Legit authority. Is that there?
50:36
And he's saying, yes, I think he doesn't mind.
50:38
The thing about Congress, he says Trump is the commander in
50:40
chief. He has the right to do this
50:42
redress injury. Have we tried or is there a just
50:46
reason for it? You know, what was the, what was
50:50
the right intention here and the reason behind it?
50:54
And he says, Iran, actually, he has them out of order for us.
50:57
Actually, let's see. Let's try to put them in the
50:59
order that we had. So #5 is our number three.
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Sorry, guys, It's a little confusing that let's just go
51:06
through his own on their own without comparing them to ours.
51:09
He says OK, redress injury, what what is what is the cause there
51:13
or the reason there? He says Iran has killed lots of
51:15
our troops, targeted POTUS and promises more harm.
51:17
So basically they have it coming to them because they've been
51:21
they've already been hurting us. Reasonable chance of success.
51:24
He believes that there definitely is I think there is
51:26
probably 2. I would maybe agree with that
51:28
one goal to re establish peace. He says yes, that's our goal.
51:31
Proportionality. He thinks it is proportional.
51:33
He has a whole other thing on that discriminate between
51:35
combatants and non combatants and he thinks we have done that.
51:39
I am a little bit less optimistic than Michael.
51:44
I think that, well, there is legitimate authority ultimately
51:48
of the United States to wage war.
51:50
I do think that the approval of Congress matters.
51:54
The just 'cause I think this is very disputable because, you
51:59
know, Aquinas says those who are attacked should be attacked
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because they deserve it on account of some fault.
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You know, Iran, to my knowledge, you know, it's not, you know,
52:09
levying missiles at us. I think they knew if they did,
52:12
they would get attacked right back.
52:14
So they are hostile. They have a hostile posture
52:16
towards us, but they haven't, you know, and they and they've
52:20
done funding of militant groups that have attacked their allies,
52:22
like Israel. That's true.
52:24
They are pursuing nuclear weapons.
52:26
That is true. They've threatened the existence
52:28
of our ally Israel. That is true.
52:31
The tricky part here is, you know, we are an ocean away and
52:35
we are not Israel, but we are an ally of Israel.
52:40
And we want to make sure that we have our sense of stability or
52:44
stake in the ground in the Middle East because we don't
52:46
want it to become, you know, we don't want Iran to get nuclear
52:49
capabilities. And we don't want the ayatollahs
52:52
of Iran who have Sharia law and hate America to be able to, you
52:55
know, send a nuke towards us or send a terrorist attack that
52:58
launches A nuke at us. We don't want that to happen.
53:01
So it's it's disputable, right? Like, how bad is it?
53:05
This is where I don't have all the information.
53:06
Maybe the president has, perhaps he knows more of the threat than
53:10
I even know. Of course, this is the argument
53:11
that they're seem to be using. It's a it's really bad.
53:13
Americans, we need to have this war last resort.
53:17
This is unclear to me. Again, I'm still learning about
53:20
this, but did we really need to bomb Iran?
53:22
Did we? Why are we doing it now?
53:24
Why don't we do it six months ago?
53:25
Why don't we do it in six months?
53:26
That also seems murky to me. I'm trying to understand that
53:29
better. I'm curious what the chat
53:30
thinks. Probability of success.
53:33
Are we really going to eliminate Iran being threatening to the
53:37
United States in this manner? My understanding is the
53:40
Ayatollah who was just the supreme leader of Iran, he was
53:44
just assassinated by the United States.
53:46
His son is now going to be taking over.
53:48
Is the son going to be more friendly to the US and its
53:53
interest than the father? I don't know.
53:56
Are we assassinating political leaders in Iran?
53:59
And is there any plan for what's going to happen next?
54:01
I don't know. These are all questions that
54:03
absolutely Americans should ask to be answered, and we should
54:05
get good answers for proportionalities.
54:08
Does the harm caused by the work see the evil it seeks to
54:11
prevent? Again, I don't know.
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I mean, the bombing of 150 school boys and girls is
54:18
horrific. It is horrific.
54:22
What harm did we prevent by that by by the, you know, 1200 lives
54:27
that have been lost so far in Iran?
54:29
Maybe significant, one could argue if there was nuclear
54:31
warfare against the United States, you know, millions of
54:34
people could be murdered. So again, I have concerns on
54:38
this one. It's tricky.
54:39
It's it's hard to know. So in all of this, I think we
54:43
need to have this framework as Christians we can call, I think
54:47
it it, I think it is listed for a Christian right now to support
54:49
this war. I do think they have, they can
54:51
use their wisdom and say like Michael Knowles, I think they're
54:54
that it checks the boxes. I think it's also very listed
54:56
for a Christian right now to say, I don't support this war.
55:00
I don't see a serious enough reason or justification for it.
55:03
I think it's causing more damage than good.
55:06
And in addition to that, the, you know, the, the, the lives
55:09
that are lost, these casualties are not acceptable, acceptable
55:14
against the, the good that supposedly this war is going to
55:17
do. I don't see that good.
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What other point that's very important here.
55:21
Under no circumstances in any war is it just to target
55:25
innocent civilians. And this is true for any country
55:30
waging any war, whether it's Hamas waging a war which they
55:34
targeted innocent civilians on in October when they started the
55:38
war, the Hamas Gaza war, Gaza Israel war, and they literally
55:43
directly murdered in their beds whole Israeli families, or if
55:47
Israel were to target specifically children in Gaza,
55:51
complete war crime, right? And there are allegations of
55:53
that. There's a lot of debate about
55:54
that. Similarly with the attack
55:57
against the school in Iran. Was that the US?
56:01
Would we have intentionally done that?
56:03
I don't think it's in the character of my nation to do
56:06
that. It would be horrific and heinous
56:08
if we did. Again, this is what's very
56:10
tricky with these things often is ascertaining.
56:12
Is it a war crime? A claim of a war crime is a very
56:15
serious one. There needs to be evidence for
56:17
it. In this case, of course, Trump
56:19
is saying around did it. Some more experts are saying the
56:22
US did it and many are saying, well, it was an accident.
56:25
There can be civil civilian casualties in a just war.
56:28
Yes, that can happen and it's devastating, but the civilians
56:32
should never be targeted for the war in the war.
56:36
And that is very crucial because there can't be a just war where
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there's targeting of civilians. If there is deaths that happen,
56:45
if if there are families that get bombed, it has to be a
56:50
consequence of the fog of war or crossfire.
56:55
It cannot be the targeting of anybody.
56:57
That would be a war crime. And again, This is why war is
57:00
hell. This is why we, we, anytime we
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hear about war, we pray and ask for, we pray for peace.
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And that's what the Holy Father has been doing.
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And that's how I want to end this live.
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Before we go to chat here, really quick guys, is let's pray
57:10
for peace. Educate yourselves.
57:13
You don't have to be an expert on foreign affairs to have an
57:15
opinion. I think you should have an
57:16
apparent you're an American citizen and I think you have
57:20
opinions either way. At this time, I don't see it as
57:22
a super clear cut case. I know there might be an
57:23
argument in the chat, but I definitely, I would say more
57:27
sympathize with the opinion that this war seems to be overblown.
57:31
I don't understand why we are now bombing around.
57:33
That's my opinion at this time. But I also understand there's a
57:36
lot at risk. I understand nuclear
57:38
capabilities in Iran would be devastating, could be
57:41
devastating for the USI get all of that.
57:43
So I am going to continue to follow the war, of course,
57:45
because I'm an American citizen. It's your responsibility to do
57:47
that too, if you're listening, I believe.
57:50
And let's continue to form our consciences using the Just War
57:55
theory framework so we can better ascertain what is a just
57:58
war and what is not and have more informed opinions as
58:02
Americans. All right, I'm going to look at
58:04
the chat here to close up here. This is from one of you guys.
58:08
Can we afford the war? No Should we help the millions
58:12
of homeless people? Yes, I mean, this is of course
58:16
the question like, can we afford it?
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I mean, we can force affordability for anything if we
58:22
want. I mean, if if we have to fight
58:23
the war, we're going to find a way to fight the war.
58:25
You know, during World War 2 as an example, we were, you know,
58:28
people literally were setting up factories to support the war
58:32
effort. And we totally reshaped,
58:34
restructured the US economy in order to ensure the war could go
58:37
on and we could defeat our our foes right in the axis of evil
58:40
in World War 2. So I think the first question
58:43
isn't, should can we afford it? The first question should, is it
58:46
just, but we should acknowledge it's costing a boatload of
58:48
money. It's a billion dollars a day.
58:50
I was in the kitchen with my husband.
58:51
We were talking about it. And, you know, it's a billion
58:53
dollars a day. And my son, he's six years old.
58:55
And he's, you know, he's learning more about taxes and
58:58
money. And, you know, he's doing chores
58:59
to get a dollar and things like that.
59:01
And he's like a billion dollars a day.
59:03
That's a lot of money. And we're like, yeah, it is a
59:05
lot of money. He's like, am I going to be
59:06
paying for that the rest of my life?
59:09
I was like, you will be. Yeah, you will be.
59:11
Because this is an American war. It's our money.
59:13
It's our troops. More importantly, human lives
59:16
much more important than money. And that's why, you know, it
59:19
matters that we study this and learn about it.
59:21
All right, few more questions here.
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I'm not happy we're at war, but I'm happy maybe Iranian women
59:26
can get freedom out of this. I hope.
59:29
I have heard many stories. I was just talking to someone
59:31
this morning. They have Iranian friends who
59:32
are thrilled at this war. That is a fact.
59:35
There are potentially millions of Iranians who are thrilled
59:38
with this war because they see it as a chance for freedom,
59:40
because they have been dominated by a cruel Sharia regime and
59:46
they have experienced just torture.
59:50
They have experienced the loss of rights and freedoms.
59:54
They have experienced this devastation, and they want to be
59:58
freed of their political leadership.
1:00:00
Now, is the political leadership that's going to take place of
1:00:02
the existing 1 going to be better?
1:00:04
We hope so, of course, But these are all the questions to ask.
1:00:08
Another comment. We had no vote on this war.
1:00:10
Yeah, that's right. Congress had no vote.
1:00:12
That's another important point. Here's another comment.
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I'm so grateful for you as a woman of God.
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God bless you. Thank you so much.
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You guys are so kind and encouraging.
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Here is another one. Have you heard of Bonnie Blue?
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If so, what's your opinion on her?
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Bonnie Blue is a really prolific, you could say only
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fans, porn star, porn person. You know, I don't like even
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saying the word star or adult actor.
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It's not acting, it's not starring, it's depraved.
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It's sad. I think it's if she's, if she's
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pregnant, if that's true, I just pray for that baby.
1:00:50
She needs to stop prostituting herself for her own moral and
1:00:54
physical safety and for that baby's safety, and she needs to
1:00:57
change her life. That baby deserves to be taken
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care of. And if she's not going to change
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her life, can that baby be safely raised by her?
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I can't see how that baby can possibly be safely raised by her
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in that environment. OK, another comment here.
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