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Jaron Ennis triumphs over Xander Zayas · Boxing B-Sides

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  back. Well, we don't have any MMA to talk this
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  ultimate effing casuals. Had to add that SEO
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  bit onto it. Let's get right into the news. Canelo
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  Mbili has been postponed. What? Likely until
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  October. Damn, Canelo really doesn't own... the
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  September or May dates anymore. The fact that
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  he got moved is actually crazy. To make room
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  for Garcia Ben. That's even happening. That's
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  what Ring Magazine says. Is that what Ring Magazine
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  is saying? Is that Canelo got bumped? Yeah, got
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  bumped to October to make room for Garcia Ben
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  on September 12th. which is, Jesus Christ, what
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  are we, what, that's crazy. Like, what's going
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  on? You know what, man, I'm, what the fuck? I
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  think this is part of Turkey's desire to broker
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  peace amongst the promoters. Yeah. And so he's
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  bumping Canelo off of a really important boxing
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  date. And he's giving it up to Golden Boy and
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  Zufa. To Ryan. Hey, if it works, it works, you
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  know? We'll see what happens, but to give it
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  to Ryan. It's pretty freaking funny. It's an
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  interesting choice, to say the least. It makes
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  me wonder, just when I think about the other
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  possible fighters to take those important dates,
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  does Ryan speak Spanish? I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
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  No, I don't think so. And Connor Ben only speaks
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  Turkish in addition to English, so... Not sure.
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  We'll have to see. They'll probably stack it
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  full of Mexicans, though. The undercard. Like,
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  I'm sure... Yeah, they'll stack it full of Mexicans.
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  I was going to say, who could they put on it?
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  Because Benavidez is a main card headliner guy.
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  It would be good to see him swoop in and take
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  it. But, I don't know. I don't know. Who's his
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  benefactor? Is he also a turkey action figure?
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  Whose benefactor? Benavidez. Benavidez is currently
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  turkey, but honestly, I think he's kind of closer
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  to a free agent. It's like a turkey adjacent.
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  Turkey adjacent is a good way to put it, I think.
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  He's still tied to Samson. He seems happy there.
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  Yeah. Shakur Stevenson wants to fight Gary Antoine
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  Russell next. His words, he will bring the best
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  out of me. Does guard duck Shakur? I think he
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  does. Because you're telling me that Shakur wants
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  him. GAR doesn't want him. Yeah, he made that
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  pretty clear in his last post -fight interview.
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  Yeah, but see, you're telling me that after that
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  post -fight interview that he's going to want
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  to duke it out with Shakur? I mean, I guess.
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  I feel like it depends on who it's with. If it's
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  with Zufa, fuck that. You're not getting paid.
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  If it's with a Turkey event, yeah, you're going
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  to get paid. It's worth giving it a go. Especially
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  because with Shakur, there's zero risk of getting
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  hurt. Well, you know what? I got to disagree.
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  Teofimo looked fucked up that last time around.
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  Alright, but I think Gar is better than Teofimo.
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  At least his hand... His hands will be up to
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  not get pasted like that. You're not wrong. And
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  I don't think Shakur will be as motivated to
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  provide that pasting. You're not wrong. Jaron
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  Ennis is already in talks with Sebastian Fundora
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  to unify titles. See, I'm... Oh, sorry. No, go
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  ahead. I'm of the side that says that that's
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  not going to happen. Nothing ever happens with
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  Sebastian Fundora. I've had enough hope for the
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  last few years that Fundora will fight a live
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  body. It's been, what? I think it's been two
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  years since he's gotten his belt, right? He's
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  gotten his championship belt for two years, and
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  who has he fought? Cordell Booker. Tzimzou twice.
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  And Keith Thurman. And he said he's not going
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  to fight Virgil. He's only going to fight guys
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  in the PBC, within the PBC ranking. That's Spence.
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  That's Charlo. So. Man, Prime Jermel. Prime Jermel
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  would have been, this would have been cool with
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  Prime Jermel, but. Hell yeah. We don't got Prime
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  Dribble anymore. No. Oh, whatever. Honestly,
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  Ennis, if there's anyone who can cross the river,
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  like, cross the pond or cross the street, so
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  to say, with Fundora, it would be Ennis. Ennis
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  has been very PBC aligned in his career and very,
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  you know, PBC has treated him pretty equitably
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  and, like, dealt with him pretty cordially. Yeah,
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  I mean, a lot of Paestaniones. Yeah, so I was
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  going to say, I'm like, Especially, like, with
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  Enes' now profile, where, like, excluding the
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  matchroom debuff, his profile is actually getting
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  there. You know, there would be... There's gonna
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  be a point where his profile is enough just to
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  cash Fundora out because, you know, Fundora is
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  very clearly a guy that they're maneuvering towards
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  a cash out. So you just have to be the guy that
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  you can... be cashed out against. I don't see
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  it going anywhere. I mean, I think this is the
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  first time that they've had Fandora haven't been
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  in talks with anybody outside of the PBC area.
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  But... I'm not Virgil. Boots is PBC aligned for
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  most of his career. Yeah, they had a good relationship
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  with him. And it's still a good relationship.
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  It was an amicable, like, yeah, you're leaving
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  because most of 154 exists outside of PBC. Yeah.
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  But, you know, I think this is mainly just like,
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  let's explore our options. Our options are Fundora
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  or Kelly. Let's try Fundora first because Kelly
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  is, I feel like the hope for Kelly, A, it's in
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  -house, but I feel like the hope for Kelly is
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  that Virgil takes him out. So that way we have
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  the undisputed unification in -house with Virgil.
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  But that's not happening either. Josh Kelly is
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  not going to fight Virgil. Well, it's not up
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  to Kelly. Well, no, the reason I say that is
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  because Josh, I'm sorry, I wrote that wrong.
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  Virgil's not going to fight Josh Kelly because
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  that's IBF rankings. And with the rehydration
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  clause, Robert straight off said he's not fighting
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  for the IBF. He can't. Virgil can't. I wasn't
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  even going to make a joke. I couldn't even make
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  a joke about like an allergy to belts. No, the
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  rehydration does screw him there. Yeah. Oh, my
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  God. Yeah, so I guess, again, Fandora's still
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  the hardest belt to reach over and get. Kelly's
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  always there for boots. I feel like it's going
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  to be a good enough time between July and late
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  in the year that they can... Kelly will end up
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  working out with boots. Most, like, my... I thought
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  he wasn't even going to fight Zayas. I thought
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  it was going to go straight to Kelly, so... I
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  feel like Kelly's... But, again, Kelly's always
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  there. Yeah. So, I think it'll be Kelly late
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  in the year, probably in the UK, or in Saudi
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  Arabia on a Riyadh card. Yeah. Or maybe in America.
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  I mean, they haven't really put boots on a Riyadh
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  card. Yeah, you gotta see that there... Depends
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  on how they're able to fill out those cards.
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  I mean, they really don't have to do it. Yeah.
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  I was gonna say, it just depends on how... I
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  was gonna say the... There's a couple of those
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  Riyadh cards that they struggle to fill out,
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  so they move fights over to those ones. Yeah,
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  I mean, that's true. But Boots is not really
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  after what happened this weekend. We'll talk
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  about it more right now, but he's not a co -main
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  type of guy anymore. I don't think Boots cares
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  that much about that in a way. He doesn't have
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  an ego. He has an ego about the way he fights
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  in the ring and how he perceives his opponents
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  to be inferior, but he doesn't let that ego drip
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  into fight negotiations. Yeah, that's true. Very
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  easily, like, yeah, I'll trim the beard. Yeah,
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  we'll do it here. Yeah, like, a lot of things.
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  I'll be the B -side. Yeah, he'll be the B -side.
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  You know why? Because he's confident in himself.
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  Like, I think the only hardliner he has are the
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  gloves I've seen from him. Yeah, because he's
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  always worn the same gloves. He wears horsehair
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  grants. Yeah. The horsehair grants. I think that's
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  the only hardline I've seen in any negotiations.
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  Otherwise, he's pretty easygoing. Especially,
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  like, a prospect of his talent would probably
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  not be very happy about being on Showbox for
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  that long. Hmm. Or fighting guys like Stanionis
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  or Lipinets for rankings. Like, you'd want to
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  skip the line if you know what you are. But...
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  Boots has had a very slow build -up. But the
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  ego's never been there in the out -of -the -ring
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  stuff. I'm going to tell you guys a very interesting
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  opinion. I think if Boots was with top rank...
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  instead of PBC for the beginning, I feel like
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  he would be a lot more known. A lot more well
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  -known. A lot more popular. I agree because that
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  was the end of their ESPN deal. So he would have
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  been around for their ESPN deal. I agree. The
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  really funny part is that his first title fight
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  at 147 would have... still been, like, you would
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  have either had him fight Crawford really early
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  on, or it would have been right as Crawford left
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  147, and it would have been, like, completely
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  by design. Well, you would have him versus Brian
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  Norman Jr. Because it would be the WL, for sure.
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  No, but that's... But Brian Norman has come around
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  pretty recently. Well, yeah, 2024. Yeah, because
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  I was going to say, I'm thinking Boots was ready
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  when he beat Lipinets. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
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  you could argue he was ready before that. Boots
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  was pretty ready at like, let me see when that
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  was exactly. That was 2021. So yeah. So I was
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  going to say, he probably, I still think, I think,
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  you know what, I don't think Boots at that stage,
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  he had, but he was the goods. But I don't think
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  Boots at that stage, maybe because Crawford hadn't,
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  like, really shown any signs of age yet. Like,
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  he was right in his prime and Boots still wasn't.
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  Like, it would have been a cool fight, clear
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  Crawford win, and then Boots would have rebuilt
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  and then kicked the shit out of Norman and then
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  kept moving. Yeah. I mean, honestly, with PBC,
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  they really should have had Vice Pence. They
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  just... I feel like it was partially retaliatory
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  because Boots refused to fully commit. He liked
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  that flexibility of being a free -ish agent.
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  But also, you know, Boots is so obviously good.
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  Like, if you're watching him from his showbox
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  days, like, it's the same Boots. Yeah. To a fault
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  in some cases, which we'll go over later. I don't
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  think we can... I don't think we can slag him
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  for that considering... I'd much rather a guy
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  who is that much better than his opponents fight
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  like that as a fan than become incredibly negative.
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  Oh, I agree. I understand. I would much rather
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  watch Boots like this, but it frustrates me too
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  because it's like, come on. You can do two things
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  at once. We'll talk about it right now. I know.
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  Can we skip the line to the... We'll finish the
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  news and we can get to the fights. What we're
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  drooling over, yeah. Alright. Let's go to Mayweather
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  Pacquiao 2 has been postponed. What? What a surprise,
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  I know. Oh my god! Can you believe it? The fight
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  that the fans have been clamoring for has been
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  pushed back. I can't believe it. Dude, I'm fucking
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  surprised. What? Please don't tell me the Zambides
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  fight is not happening. Please tell me. And the
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  Mike Tyson fight. Oh, the bit's over. I was going
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  to say Zambides already got cancelled a while
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  ago. Yeah, that was supposed to have happened
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  like two weeks ago. Yeah. Apparently, Mayweather...
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  tried to make the Zambides fight outside of his
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  promotional engagement with CSI Sports or something
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  like that. Sure. So they cancelled the Zambides
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  fight and then these postponements have come
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  separately of that. Overall, Mayweather, it's
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  sad to see, but at the same time, because he
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  spent his career being a douchebag, it's also
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  kind of funny. I just think that it's such delicious
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  irony to have the guy who... his entire thing
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  was, I retired on my own terms. I kept all my
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  money. I don't need to come back. These exhibitions
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  are just for fun. Be like, oh my god, how's Adrian
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  Broner in better financial shape than you right
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  now? With his kick streaming. And ironically,
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  Broner is doing better than Mayweather financially.
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  Which is... Mayweather cutting bad checks. Show
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  this to someone in 2017, by the way, and they
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  might... They will laugh at you. Like, vomiting
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  laugh. Yeah. No, like, I just think, you know,
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  this is all... If you really want to reach its
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  straws, if you're a real Al Heyman hater, you
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  can blame Al Heyman for being in poor health
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  for this. Because Al Heyman had pretty strict
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  control over his finances, like the allowances
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  and everything. And then he had some health problems,
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  and then now Mayweather all of a sudden has control
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  over all his money at once, and then here it
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  is. Here's the result. If we can pull its straws,
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  you can still blame Al Heyman. Can't help but
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  want to blame Al Heyman, because he's at fault
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  for everything. He's at fault for everything.
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  You know, he still owes people $486. It's crazy.
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  It's crazy. Those kind of debts, how does Al
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  Heyman consider himself a respectable businessman?
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  Tank has been named champion in recess. And the
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  WBA lightweight title will be faced off between
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  Lucas Body and Floyd Schofield. Floyd Schofield
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  in six. Schofield should win that in six. Will
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  the USB plug make an appearance, though? There's
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  a chance. I'm not going to lie. Lucas' body poisons
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  Floyd Schofield. With meth? With something. Makes
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  him have to shove cables up his nose. And last
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  bit of news, Dimitri Beeble will be undergoing
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  elbow surgery. By the time you're hearing this,
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  he should have already gone under the knife.
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  And his WBO mandatory has been called Callum
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  Smith. So if he wants to keep that title, he's
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  going to have to face Callum Smith. That's such
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  a good fight, guys. Oh, man. Depends on how big
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  the ring is. That is a fight that will depend
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  on how big the ring is. If the ring is huge,
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  it will be so unwatchable and it will not be
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  people's fault. If the ring is small, it will
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  be a fun little shootout. Well, yeah, you know,
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  I gotta say, Calum Smith, Calum's gonna bring
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  it. He always does. He always brings it. But
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  things first. No limit at the Pat Rafter Arena
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  in Tennyson, Queensland, Australia. Liam Paro.
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  gets the UD over Lewis Crocker to claim the IBF
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  welterweight title. Isn't that nice? The Liam
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  Parrow cleanup of the division begins now. God
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  damn, finally. Crocker's gone. Few division champ
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  Liam Parrow. That too. God, Liam Parrow's probably
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  going to have to fight Patty Donovan next. He
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  is. That's his mandatory. Yeah, that's his mandatory.
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  So get rid of him. Just knock him out. And then
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  he's going to fight Karen Chakadzian after that,
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  though. Yeah, get rid of these guys. Parrow is
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  probably the best ever Australian, other than,
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  like, was it Nikita Zoo? Was the... The brother?
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  No, the father. Costa. Costa Zoo. Costa Zoo.
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  Costa Zoo. It's a Russian -Australian. We can
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  start calling this the Fab Four. We can count
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  Costa Zoo as the best Australian, but I like
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  Liam Parrow as well. It's the Fab Four, guys.
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  We got Chuka Zakazian. We got Karen. I don't
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  know how to say his name. We got Karen Donovan,
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  Parrow, and Crocker. The anti -fab four. Paro,
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  please. Please just finish this, Paro. He's going
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  to lose to Hitchens again. On Zufa. On Zufa.
• 27:08
  Imagine he cleans up the IBF at 147 and then
• 27:11
  goes to beat Hitchens and Zufa. I would send
• 27:15
  him flowers or something. Oh my god. I would
• 27:19
  petition the Boxing Hall of Fame to induct him
• 27:21
  immediately. The rematch is going to be crazy.
• 27:25
  No five years of inactivity, please. No, we need
• 27:29
  it now. He's gotten rid of everyone I hate. What's
• 27:38
  next? Let's see here. Really quickly, Starbox.
• 27:42
  Rock and Fights. Yeah, Rock and Fights 54 by
• 27:45
  Starboxing. Just Some Selects. Wendy Toussaint
• 27:51
  gets a majority draw. over Miguel Hernandez and
• 27:55
  Isaiah Flaherty gets the UD over Mickey Scala.
• 27:59
  That's the only fight that I was really caring
• 28:01
  about. Mickey, you son of a bitch. You're supposed
• 28:06
  to be putting Phoenix on the map. Now, do we
• 28:15
  want to skip and do the Zufa really quick or
• 28:17
  get the Zufa out of the way faster or do we want
• 28:21
  to go straight into let's go we're not doing
• 28:25
  uh we can ignore zoo for as long as possible
• 28:28
  that can be like the come down all right um so
• 28:32
  matchroom and top rank collab on the zone out
• 28:37
  of the barclays center uh in the prelims we had
• 28:40
  uh that was worth mentioning juanma lopez the
• 28:46
  i think he's the is he a junior I know he goes
• 28:54
  by Juan Vida, but he gets the KO1 over Alberto
• 29:00
  Motos. Nice. And into the main portion, Ben Whitaker
• 29:08
  stops Richard Rivera in two. As much as it was
• 29:14
  really clear that the fight was going in this
• 29:18
  direction, I still don't agree with when the
• 29:21
  fight was stopped. Can Ben just fight someone?
• 29:27
  Period. Yeah, somebody worth a damn? Like, I'm
• 29:33
  sick of... This is... Like, he is... He is basically
• 29:38
  going the Richard Torres path of, you know, upper
• 29:43
  -level amateur -ish. And who, you know, like
• 29:50
  good but not excellent amateur who just... Well,
• 29:55
  let's fight bums until I get a world title fight.
• 29:59
  IBF? That's the IBF mantra. He's going to the
• 30:04
  WBC, though. This is literally Richard... This
• 30:07
  is the most Richard Torres thing ever. Richard
• 30:11
  Torres is ranked in the WBC. Frank Sanchez just...
• 30:14
  His knee exploded, so... But I'm just, oh my
• 30:18
  god. Fuck it, Najee Lopez, free us from Ben Whittaker.
• 30:27
  Oh, that would be the ultimate showdown. Like,
• 30:30
  the guy who, yeah, the guy who grinded his way
• 30:32
  up the fucking meat grinder versus the coronated,
• 30:39
  anointed Ben Whittaker. For the record, the main
• 30:45
  event we're about to talk about is still not
• 30:46
  Fight of the Year. Lopez Gallegos is still Fight
• 30:50
  of the Year to me. That shit was crazy, but I
• 30:56
  digress. Jahai Tucker got a majority decision
• 31:02
  over Yuri Sedano. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not
• 31:12
  much to say. Yeah. Emiliano Vargas, TKO4 over
• 31:18
  Bryce Mills. My man was talking about being a,
• 31:23
  like this time next year, being in, if not a
• 31:27
  champion, at the very least being in title contention.
• 31:30
  Does it look like that's in the cards for him?
• 31:33
  A 140? Good luck. What do you mean good luck?
• 31:37
  I mean, good luck. That's happening probably
• 31:39
  by the end of the year. Okay, with who? Lindolfo.
• 31:45
  WBO route. That's IBF, isn't it? No, Dalton Smith
• 31:49
  is IBF. Lindolfo is WBO, I believe. Dalton Smith
• 31:55
  is WBC. No, WBC. Who took the IBF after Hitchens
• 32:01
  then? Lindolfo. Lindolfo, yeah, okay. Shakur's
• 32:06
  going to vacate for sure this year. That's the
• 32:09
  WBO. Yeah, Shakur. That's the WBO, yeah, okay.
• 32:12
  Yeah, Lindolfo, yeah. That's probably an easier
• 32:16
  fight for Lindolfo. Well, not easier fight. Respect
• 32:19
  in the end of Vargas. You know, Dalton Smith
• 32:23
  can literally slow down time. Yeah. That's true.
• 32:30
  That's true, guys. That's why I'm like, okay,
• 32:35
  Keyshawn's blatantly too good for Vargas. Peace
• 32:39
  and love, right? Yeah, peace. We could all agree
• 32:44
  Keyshawn is way better than Vargas. Well, Keyshawn's
• 32:49
  also like five years older. It doesn't matter.
• 32:52
  He could be five years younger and still be way
• 32:54
  better. Well, there's room to grow for him. Yeah,
• 32:59
  but I'm saying if we're doing the world title
• 33:00
  now, like Dalton Smith and... In the next year,
• 33:04
  when Vargas' time frame. Yeah, so I'm looking
• 33:08
  at the timeline and I'm like, Keyshawn and Smith,
• 33:10
  not too confident there. But yeah, Lindolfo,
• 33:15
  yeah. Look what I sent. Look what I sent. Lindolfo's
• 33:20
  ring number one, Emiliano's number two. Yeah,
• 33:23
  so it'll be Lindolfo. He's going to fight Lindolfo.
• 33:27
  Extremely doable fight. I think it's if he wins.
• 33:30
  Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not disagreeing. That's fair.
• 33:35
  Sorry, when you think of, like, Titleist at 140,
• 33:37
  I'm like, oh, my God. That's actually pretty
• 33:39
  scary. But, no. Yeah. Shakur probably moving
• 33:44
  up. Yeah. Or going to Zufa and dropping the title.
• 33:47
  Yeah. Two vacants. Oh, my God. I think I might.
• 33:51
  You know what? Like, the sport. Something needs
• 33:54
  to happen. if Shakur Hitchens gets made at Zufa.
• 34:00
  Well, something must be done there. I just thought
• 34:04
  it just occurred to me that that could happen.
• 34:07
  Huh. You know, I just saw something really interesting
• 34:11
  on the welterweight rankings for the WBO. Oh.
• 34:17
  Welterweight. I know it's not really related,
• 34:19
  but I see that. Devin Haney, obviously champion.
• 34:23
  Keyshawn's ranked number one. Manny Pacquiao
• 34:26
  is ranked number two. Teofimo Lopez is ranked
• 34:30
  number three. Arnold Barboza is ranked number
• 34:33
  four. And Brian Norman Jr., the GOAT, is ranked
• 34:36
  number five. Alexis Rocha is still ranked at
• 34:39
  welterweight? Yeah. How bad is this division?
• 34:44
  Dude, look how bad these rankings are. This is
• 34:46
  horrible. Hey, no, no. Manny Pacquiao totally
• 34:49
  deserved ranking for... You know, a long -time
• 34:53
  belt holder taking him to a robbery decision.
• 34:58
  But he fought for the WBC, not the WBO. Don't
• 35:02
  say the name of that belt holder. You know what,
• 35:06
  Manny Pacquiao might just fight fucking Demi
• 35:08
  Haney at this point. Fuck. And take him to a
• 35:13
  decision? Take him to a decision? Imagine if
• 35:18
  it looks like the Broner fight. Imagine it looks
• 35:22
  like the fucking Thurman fight. Oh, my God. He
• 35:27
  knocks down Haney. Haney's next fight will be
• 35:31
  against Mario Barrios and then getting knocked
• 35:33
  out by Fundora. Bar for bar, Thurman. Maybe that
• 35:39
  might be Manny Pacquiao's X -Factor right now
• 35:40
  is that everybody has so much respect for him
• 35:43
  that they won't fight him for the first six rounds.
• 35:46
  And then he cruises to a decision. Except for
• 35:50
  Ugas. Except for Ugas. Except for Ugas. Ugas
• 35:53
  had no respect for that man. Ugas doesn't even
• 35:56
  know himself. Ugas, Ugas type shit. Ugas, Ugas.
• 36:04
  Ugas, Ugas. He goes back to Miliano Vargas. He's
• 36:09
  going to fight Lindolfo. And I think he's going
• 36:11
  to win. He's going to be champion. I think he's
• 36:16
  ready. Even if it wasn't. If it wasn't Lindolfo,
• 36:20
  then he's ready to face a champion at this point.
• 36:25
  It's also crazy because Oscar Duarte is ranked
• 36:28
  number three. And I feel like since they have
• 36:31
  Lindolfo at one and Emiliano at two, they're
• 36:35
  going to put one of them. It's a top ranking.
• 36:38
  They're going to put both of them together. Lindolfo
• 36:41
  has been on their fucking payroll for years now.
• 36:47
  Isn't Duarte with Goldenboy? He's with Goldenboy,
• 36:52
  yeah. He gets to have the chair in the corner.
• 37:05
  Alright. Main event. Jaron Ennis stops Xander
• 37:13
  Zayas in the seventh. to claim the WBA, WBO,
• 37:18
  Super Welterweight titles. The coroner stepped
• 37:23
  up and threw the towel in for this one, right?
• 37:27
  I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Depends,
• 37:29
  depends. Wait, this is the main, right? It depends
• 37:33
  on who you consult. There's a certain fighter
• 37:39
  who's never fought for a world title in his second
• 37:43
  division now. Who is claiming Zaius quit up front.
• 37:53
  Hmm. But the official commission result is that
• 37:56
  the corner and the court, not only was the corner
• 37:59
  throwing in the towel, they were basically shoving
• 38:02
  the commission official and doctor into the ring
• 38:05
  to stop the fight. So. Makes sense. Yeah, good
• 38:14
  call. Honestly, excellent call on the corner.
• 38:17
  Very good call. We do not see enough of this
• 38:19
  in boxing. Like, when your guy is getting a pasting,
• 38:25
  but his chin is too tough, he's too tough for
• 38:29
  his own good, you pull him out. We should not
• 38:32
  be discouraging this. This is good. The whole
• 38:36
  point of the corner is to step in when the guy...
• 38:40
  When their pride or their ego get in the way.
• 38:48
  Now, Saul, I know you have a lot to say on this
• 38:51
  one. Let's hear it. Saul. Did you die? Oh, my
• 39:11
  God. He did die. God damn it. Oh, well. He disconnected.
• 39:20
  Sorry. This fucking guy rage quit as soon as
• 39:25
  we started talking about his guy. No, sorry.
• 39:31
  That's my bad. My shit fucking. Embarrassing.
• 39:36
  Anyways, can you guys catch me up? I'm so sorry.
• 39:39
  You got a lot to say on the Jaron Ennis, Xander
• 39:43
  Zayas result. Okay. I do. I do. Did Josh say
• 39:51
  his piece first or do I have to whip my dick
• 39:53
  out first? You got it. Okay. He's going to tear
• 39:57
  my ass up for this one. He's going to tear me
• 40:00
  up a whole new one. Okay. You guys ready? Go
• 40:09
  for it. First of all, I'm not going to put down
• 40:14
  boots for beating Zayas. Because after tonight,
• 40:19
  it proves to me that Zayas belongs in there with
• 40:23
  the top guys. Do you guys agree with me on that
• 40:28
  part? Yeah, I agree. Zayas. Okay. Both show tremendous
• 40:33
  heart. Zayas. I got to give it to Zayas, too.
• 40:38
  I thought he was going to be out within four.
• 40:41
  It looked like that within the first two rounds.
• 40:44
  And then round three hit. Turns out his chin
• 40:47
  is made out of way more than I thought he could
• 40:51
  handle. More than hopes and dreams? Oh, yeah.
• 40:54
  The round three does not happen with a guy whose
• 40:59
  chin isn't made of that. Because that happened,
• 41:03
  like, Boots getting rocked was right in the middle
• 41:06
  of Boots giving him, like, a six -piece combination
• 41:08
  that would wipe out anyone in, like, anyone from
• 41:14
  147 to 160. Oh, yeah. That was dirty. That was
• 41:20
  three rounds of brutalizing Zayas, and then Zayas
• 41:24
  somehow weathered it and caught him. I got to
• 41:29
  tell you this. Not even that, dude. He got hit.
• 41:31
  Dude, you guys see those combinations he's taking
• 41:33
  to the face? We all saw that, right? Like, that
• 41:36
  was fucking disgusting. No, like... And he weathered
• 41:40
  that. I thought, like, when you look at the slow
• 41:42
  motion, it's not to that extent because Zayas
• 41:46
  doesn't have the Jim Carrey face muscles, but
• 41:50
  it's... Who was... Yeah, Martin Murray. Martin
• 41:52
  Murray's the guy that Golovkin punched so hard
• 41:55
  he started looking like Marcos Maidana. Yep.
• 41:58
  That type of, like, if you look at the slow motion,
• 42:01
  Zayas is getting hit with that type of just bombs,
• 42:06
  bombs, bombs, bombs. So, like, huge, huge respect
• 42:10
  to Zayas for hanging in there and managing to
• 42:12
  land back. Period. 100%. To my other point, though,
• 42:19
  I gotta tell you guys this, okay? And I've been
• 42:24
  very vocal about this. The fact that we're I'm
• 42:28
  even saying this about Boots. It shows how great
• 42:31
  he is. Because, I mean, this is the only knock
• 42:35
  I could give him. For the first three rounds,
• 42:39
  he's doing good. And then after round three,
• 42:41
  he got fucking caught. He got tired. I'll explain
• 42:46
  more what I mean. But the fact that my only gripe
• 42:52
  with Boots is this shows how good of a fighter
• 42:54
  he is. It's a very big... Very big problem that
• 43:00
  other fighters can take advantage of. And I'm
• 43:05
  going to tell you this. I think after seeing
• 43:06
  this fight, I genuinely believe that Virgil beats
• 43:08
  him. I believed it before. Hold up. But I thought
• 43:12
  it was maybe 50 -50. I'm thinking 60 -40 now.
• 43:18
  I'm thinking 60 -40 Virgil beats Boots. And the
• 43:20
  reason I say that... Hold on, hold on, hold on.
• 43:22
  Let me explain why. Let me explain why, okay?
• 43:25
  This is the conclusion you pull from this fight.
• 43:27
  Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me explain.
• 43:30
  Let me cook. Let me cook, okay? Boots, fantastic
• 43:36
  that first round, okay? But he knocked down Vazayas,
• 43:40
  and he rushed to get the KO. Okay? And because
• 43:49
  of that... He didn't really expect Zayas, at
• 43:53
  least from what I've seen, it looked like he
• 43:55
  didn't expect Zayas to be that durable after
• 43:57
  that knockdown. Until round three, he started
• 44:01
  slowing down because he was gassed from going
• 44:04
  so hard. Very reasonably, who did? When you saw
• 44:08
  Zayas go down in the first round, did you think,
• 44:11
  hmm, he's going to stick around for a while?
• 44:14
  No, I didn't think that either. I didn't believe
• 44:16
  it. Usually the armchair spectator still has
• 44:22
  a better gauge on things because they're not
• 44:24
  in there. And even then, we still got blindsided
• 44:27
  by that. That's what made it an exciting fight.
• 44:29
  But I think it's kind of ridiculous to say that,
• 44:33
  oh, Virgil would... Well, let me finish my point.
• 44:37
  Let me finish my point. I think it's ridiculous.
• 44:40
  Let me finish my point. Hold up, hold up. Because
• 44:42
  I know people are saying... I'm not trying to
• 44:44
  say that Boots is ass. Because I know some people
• 44:46
  are trying to say that Boots is a fraud. He's
• 44:49
  not a fraud. But he got overconfident. And that's
• 44:54
  when Zayas started going belt to ass with him.
• 44:56
  To the point where in round three, he was on
• 45:00
  shaky legs. He was on shaky legs. And going into
• 45:05
  round four, round five, parts of round six, it
• 45:09
  was competitive. And Zayas on the inside, which
• 45:11
  I thought at first was kind of, you know. I know
• 45:16
  how Boots' defense is leaky, but I thought, you
• 45:19
  know, Zayas wouldn't be fast enough to take care
• 45:22
  of Boots like that. Okay. And so past round six,
• 45:28
  when Boots kind of got his win back, that's when
• 45:30
  he took care of business. Round six, you're going
• 45:33
  to win back and, like, end of round four or round
• 45:35
  five. No, but he really started pressing the
• 45:38
  action hard. He started accelerating once he
• 45:41
  was once again safe to do so. I don't think that's
• 45:45
  get his wind back. I think that's, okay, I made
• 45:48
  that mistake already. Let me take a step back
• 45:51
  to properly evaluate. I think I should have worded
• 45:57
  it differently. You're right. I should have worded
• 45:59
  it differently. He was still beating Zayas' ass,
• 46:02
  yeah. Yeah, he was still belting ass, but it
• 46:05
  was a lot more competitive. And because of that,
• 46:09
  I think that depending on the ring size of Virgil
• 46:12
  and Boots, I don't know. It might be... It might
• 46:18
  fucking be a lot harder for Buse than we thought.
• 46:22
  Because on the inside, that's all Virgil's game.
• 46:25
  I think he's a terrific inside fighter. I...
• 46:30
  I have some comments. Okay. My first one is,
• 46:37
  Virgil is nowhere near as durable as Zayas is.
• 46:40
  Period. Well, we didn't know how durable Zaius
• 46:44
  was. We didn't know how durable Zaius was. It
• 46:46
  turns out Zaius is made of fucking adamantium,
• 46:50
  right? But we know for a fact how durable Virgil
• 46:54
  is. We know that he can get caught with his feet
• 46:59
  together and actually get shook pretty bad by
• 47:02
  a pretty elementary jab like Boa Chuck. We know
• 47:07
  that a guy who is significantly less explosive
• 47:10
  and offensively capable like Mean Machine can,
• 47:14
  you know, actually put some proper dents in him
• 47:18
  and push him back. But I think the big thing
• 47:21
  that kind of, you know, calling Virgil a fantastic
• 47:29
  inside fighter is a little weird. Because he
• 47:33
  works best, not a long range, but, like, close
• 47:37
  to middle range. Medium range. Medium range.
• 47:39
  Yeah, like, medium range is where he is at best.
• 47:42
  His arms are pretty long, so that is his close
• 47:45
  range. But at his weight class, though? In his
• 47:50
  weight class? Compared to the guys in the weight
• 47:52
  class. But the thing is that Boots' optimal,
• 47:55
  like, range, like, where he landed the uppercut,
• 47:57
  all the knockdowns from. is basically right up
• 48:01
  to the opponent. Yeah, but where was he getting
• 48:04
  caught at? Yeah, but I'm saying, yeah, when he'd
• 48:08
  step back because he doesn't give a shit. I feel
• 48:11
  like, to be fair, again, the perception with
• 48:15
  Zayas is this guy, like, let's put yourself in
• 48:19
  Boots' shoes. This guy is some top -ranked bum
• 48:24
  with no power who has struggled through Europeans.
• 48:30
  and I'm putting belt ass on him, I can operate
• 48:33
  wherever I want. With Virgil, you obviously,
• 48:37
  like, Boots, notice Boots was using his jab and
• 48:41
  boxing perfectly, and then, you know, once he's
• 48:45
  estimated the level of his opponent, that's when
• 48:48
  you get the, I'm going to call them fun habits,
• 48:50
  because they make the fight fun. So how's Boots
• 48:53
  going to get when he knocks down Virgil? Apparently,
• 48:55
  because you're saying he's going to knock down
• 48:56
  Virgil. No, well, to be fair, Virgil's probably
• 48:59
  not going to get up, honestly. But I'm saying
• 49:01
  he's going to be. Virgil's probably not getting
• 49:03
  up, man. Well, Virgil's going to put down boots.
• 49:06
  Virgil getting fried cleanly by one of those
• 49:09
  uppercuts, especially because I will say the
• 49:12
  only interesting part will be to see if Virgil
• 49:16
  can mix up his jab. His jab is a wonderful jab
• 49:20
  that can put guys in one spot, but it is very
• 49:24
  singular rhythm. I'm not going to sit here and
• 49:28
  call Virgil a three -dimensional fighter. I'm
• 49:32
  not saying that. He's very one -dimensional,
• 49:34
  but he's fucking good at it. He's had the need
• 49:38
  to adjust, and instead of making the adjustments
• 49:42
  that would make the fight easier, he has relied
• 49:44
  on his intangibles to push him through it. I
• 49:49
  gotta say, if that was Virgil on Saturday night,
• 49:52
  he would have won. Virgil isn't making it to
• 49:54
  the point of the third round. How can you say
• 49:57
  that? We didn't think Zayas was able to do that.
• 49:59
  Come on. We didn't know Zayas was made of fucking
• 50:02
  steel. We have seen Virgil's limits in regards
• 50:06
  to physicality. So when you say it like that,
• 50:11
  okay. You're saying Zayas is not. Hold on. What
• 50:15
  about Karen? What do you mean? What about Karen?
• 50:19
  The guy who got on his bike for 24 rounds. The
• 50:22
  guy that got knocked down by Patty Donovan as
• 50:24
  well. We know that he's not as durable as we
• 50:29
  thought. To be fair, there's a difference in
• 50:32
  how he fought those fights. I was going to say,
• 50:34
  you don't fight Patty Donovan the same way you
• 50:37
  fight Jerome Linus. Let's be real. If Karen got
• 50:40
  on his bike, if he got absolutely on his bike
• 50:44
  in a 24 by 24 ring like he did with Boots for
• 50:48
  12 rounds with Patty Donovan, Patty Donovan maybe
• 50:50
  lands three punches. He felt like he had the
• 50:54
  confidence and probably some pressure from his
• 50:56
  corner and promoters to actually fight because
• 50:59
  it's Patty Donovan. And then, yeah, you know,
• 51:02
  you're not, you fight a style you're not used
• 51:03
  to. Whatever. There's a difference there. But
• 51:07
  I'm just saying Boots probably has, like, Boots'
• 51:11
  ideal range is where Virgil does not want it
• 51:14
  to be. Because at long range, you know, you can
• 51:18
  put a guy, you can stick a guy. and move with
• 51:21
  a guy and eventually get him on the ropes. Medium
• 51:23
  range, that's where Virgil wants to be. That's
• 51:26
  where he kills you. But Boots does his best work,
• 51:29
  particularly with the uppercuts and shots that
• 51:32
  guys don't see, right in your face. He will lead
• 51:35
  you into one. And Virgil's defense and just general,
• 51:39
  his MO, which is to come forward and get you
• 51:42
  on the ropes, is not great for a guy who likes
• 51:46
  walking you into uppercuts. I gotta say, dude,
• 51:51
  I partially disagree with that argument. I agree
• 51:54
  and disagree. Like, it's just, I think Virgil,
• 51:57
  I think Virgil, we've seen Virgil get bullied
• 52:01
  up close twice. By guys that are also bullies.
• 52:05
  They fight similar to Virgil. Yeah, but... If
• 52:08
  Virgil's a comfort fighter, you fight another
• 52:10
  comfort fighter, you're gonna get bullied on
• 52:12
  the close range as well. There's no shot. You
• 52:16
  know what I mean? But then, again, it isn't your
• 52:19
  intangibles that push you through. I think Boots
• 52:21
  just has too many potential wrinkles. Because,
• 52:26
  again, the uppercut that he walked Zayas into
• 52:30
  was a pure boxer's uppercut. That was not like
• 52:33
  an inside slugger's uppercut. That was pretty
• 52:35
  beautiful. That was pretty damn beautiful. I'm
• 52:38
  not going to lie to that. I'm getting creamy
• 52:39
  just thinking about that shit right now. That's
• 52:41
  what I'm saying. That is something that you'll
• 52:43
  see come in from the outside. He literally switches.
• 52:50
  He has a natural flow. Most guys have a rhythm.
• 52:56
  Like a car. It's predictable. They go from first
• 52:59
  to second to third gear. They have adjustments
• 53:02
  they can make, but they happen gradually. Like,
• 53:07
  even Crawford, like, you'll see his adjustments
• 53:10
  happen round to round. When he figures a guy
• 53:13
  out, it isn't mid -round. It's round to round.
• 53:18
  And with Boots, it's just, I don't think it's
• 53:21
  even an IQ thing. It's just a level of fluidity
• 53:24
  where his hands will be in the right spot at
• 53:27
  the right time. And that's, for a guy like Virgil,
• 53:32
  where he's a very... He's a very well -oiled
• 53:35
  car, but he's still a car. You know, once he's
• 53:42
  in third gear, Boots is going to be able to get
• 53:44
  into that third gear rhythm and figure something
• 53:48
  out. Just pretty fluidly. Especially, my biggest
• 53:53
  concern for Virgil, because like, yeah, if they
• 53:55
  get into a shootout at mid -range, Virgil has
• 53:57
  a chance, but... Virgil is kind of static with
• 54:01
  his feet and with his hands. He has the same
• 54:03
  high guard, and his feet are very much shuffling
• 54:07
  forwards or backwards. There's no... I agree
• 54:11
  with the feet. I do agree with the feet. But
• 54:14
  the high guard, I think his high guard is pretty
• 54:17
  decent. I actually think it's one of the best.
• 54:19
  I take that back. I think it's one of the best
• 54:21
  in boxing. Now, high guard is very basic. Defense.
• 54:29
  Yeah. But, you know, compared to all the other
• 54:32
  boxers using high guard, I think it's a very
• 54:34
  smart. He uses it very smartly. Yeah. He uses
• 54:38
  it intelligently. He can cover his body up because
• 54:41
  of his arm length and everything, too. It's just
• 54:44
  that, like, the way Boots is, like, you'll notice
• 54:48
  most of the shots that, like, led to knockdowns
• 54:51
  prior to the knockdown shot, Boots is just hit,
• 54:55
  like. you still feel the impact. Like, glove
• 54:58
  against your forehead. If you're taking a power
• 55:00
  shot on it, you're still getting rattled. And
• 55:04
  that's why I'm, like, the high guard, like, that's
• 55:07
  why, like, Crawford is probably the most interesting
• 55:10
  boots fight in, like, this sort of era. Because,
• 55:14
  like, Crawford is also that fluid and will not,
• 55:18
  he's not just going to let boots wail on a high
• 55:21
  guard and break him down. I guess. But one thing
• 55:26
  I gotta say about Virgil, though, when you guys
• 55:28
  mentioned the Bochuk fight, I get it. I get it.
• 55:31
  The two knockdowns, I get it, okay? But let me
• 55:34
  tell you this. That fight, too, you also gotta
• 55:36
  look at the context. The way he was fighting
• 55:38
  Bochuk in the first, like, four rounds and then
• 55:42
  the last three, he wasn't fighting like how he's
• 55:46
  fighting now. I think he improved. In a sense
• 55:50
  that, like, I don't know if you guys remember
• 55:52
  when he was fucking using that silly -ass fucking
• 55:54
  jab, like... jab, fucking bouncing around the
• 55:57
  ring, trying to box, trying to be someone he's
• 56:00
  not. You guys remember that? Yeah, I think that
• 56:04
  gives him more of a chance to catch boots, though.
• 56:08
  Seriously? With fucking dropping your hand? It's
• 56:13
  stupid, but if you, like, the come forward, like,
• 56:18
  you give yourself a lot of room to get walked
• 56:21
  into something that... Us as spectators can't
• 56:25
  even realize. I don't even think Boots knows
• 56:27
  he's throwing some of these shots until he's
• 56:31
  throwing them. No, no, come on. That's kind of
• 56:35
  glazing to the max, come on. No, it happens.
• 56:38
  Like, you don't find, like, you're looking for
• 56:41
  a shot, but when it shows, like, especially with
• 56:44
  how Bozy is, like, it's very, like, you look
• 56:49
  at Bozy's fighters, they're very much... You're
• 56:52
  not getting trained in a pattern. Here's what
• 56:56
  we're drilling. You'll see it. You'll get the
• 57:04
  toolbox. You're given the toolbox. It depends
• 57:07
  on how you use the toolbox. I just think Boots
• 57:10
  has that fluidity. Let's consider he's been with
• 57:14
  the same guy and had the same training his whole
• 57:17
  life. to have this sort of toolbox. I think his
• 57:23
  best tool is his ability to adjust in certain
• 57:25
  instances. Yeah. Better than other fighters.
• 57:28
  Sometimes not, you know, sometimes he does and
• 57:30
  sometimes he doesn't. But, like, the point I'm
• 57:33
  making, he has the whole toolbox, but, like,
• 57:35
  sometimes you just, you know, you don't have
• 57:39
  the presence of mind to do so, but if your body
• 57:41
  is built to throw whatever whenever. you get
• 57:46
  moments like that uppercut where you think he's
• 57:48
  just going to keep wailing away with him, especially
• 57:50
  to the body now that his guard is up. And then,
• 57:52
  you know, you walk him into an uppercut that
• 57:57
  usually, like, you're not thinking of in that
• 57:59
  situation for both sides. I think if it was Virgil
• 58:04
  in that ring, I think when Boots was hurt, Virgil
• 58:10
  would have done the job. Maybe not knocked him
• 58:13
  out right there, but he would have fucking knocked
• 58:14
  him down. I agree. I just don't agree that we
• 58:17
  get to that point without Virgil being too damaged
• 58:20
  to follow up. Virgil is pretty good at recovering.
• 58:25
  When he gets knocked down, he gets mad. He goes
• 58:27
  back even harder. You know what? I agree. I agree
• 58:31
  in the sense that when you're damaged, obviously
• 58:34
  you're not going to punch as hard like what we
• 58:36
  saw with Zayas. When you get damaged, you don't
• 58:40
  get that fucking shit back for a while. You don't
• 58:43
  get that power back. I just think the Virgil
• 58:47
  discussion is very, like, it feels as if, like,
• 58:55
  we're just, like, you're looking for a guy to
• 58:58
  be Boots' foil, not you specifically. But it's
• 59:03
  like, you know, in boxing, we always seek a storyline.
• 59:05
  We always seek a super fight. Just naturally,
• 59:09
  right? Honestly, like, okay, if we're going to
• 59:12
  be for real, I feel like Boots' foil isn't. if
• 59:15
  he does have a foil, is going to be another Black
• 59:19
  American fighter on the rise. But I think Virgil
• 59:23
  is the urge to find a foil. Like, I feel like
• 59:27
  in hindsight, you know, people who didn't just
• 59:30
  hate Crawford or, like, Spence, like, people,
• 59:33
  you know, people in the middle, like, they wanted
• 59:37
  to, like, especially if Crawford didn't, you
• 59:39
  know, if he didn't re -sign with Top Rank and
• 59:40
  we had, like, a normal build -up for that fight.
• 59:43
  it would have been even more clear that Crawford
• 59:45
  is number one and that we're just looking for
• 59:48
  a foil. And I feel like it's the same with Boots.
• 59:52
  We're like, you're looking for a foil because
• 59:56
  the reality that he's... that all that is a little...
• 1:00:03
  So it's just natural psychology of a boxing fan,
• 1:00:09
  I guess. Because, I mean, you see with Usyk.
• 1:00:10
  Usyk beat everyone. from his era, and we still
• 1:00:14
  get people trying to create boogeymen that he
• 1:00:16
  will allegedly duck or not fight. The Cabello
• 1:00:20
  boogeyman? Yeah, like, you create, like, it's
• 1:00:24
  very much, uh, onto the next type thing. Or,
• 1:00:27
  like, the Matias boogeyman. Yeah, like, or, like,
• 1:00:30
  I mean... Any boogeyman, in recent memory, honestly.
• 1:00:34
  But, like, even any, any, like, rivalry. Like,
• 1:00:37
  you try to... Some of them are, like, actually
• 1:00:40
  evenly matched, but a lot of the time it's there's
• 1:00:44
  a guy you do not want to admit. You don't want
• 1:00:47
  to – you kind of can't say, okay, we got to wait
• 1:00:50
  for him to get old, really. And I feel like Boots
• 1:00:53
  is that guy. See, the thing is – okay, I have
• 1:00:57
  a couple points to say regarding that. Yeah,
• 1:01:01
  but when Boots gets old, he's got to be B -hop.
• 1:01:04
  He's got to become B -hop because his reflexes
• 1:01:06
  aren't going to be – As good as they are right
• 1:01:09
  now. Because that's also what's carrying him,
• 1:01:10
  too. His reflexes and his movement. What's kind
• 1:01:12
  of ironic is, I'm not going to say movement,
• 1:01:14
  but B -Hop's reflexes actually did hold up until
• 1:01:17
  the very end. Because it was a lot of reflex
• 1:01:21
  -based clinching and countering. But I'm talking
• 1:01:25
  more like offense. No, stylistically, I get it.
• 1:01:28
  Stylistically, he has to be a lot craftier with
• 1:01:29
  his offense instead of just, hey, I'm better
• 1:01:32
  than you, I'm going to kill you. Yeah. I agree
• 1:01:35
  with that. But I got to tell you this, dude.
• 1:01:38
  At least my reasoning for why I'm so adamant
• 1:01:42
  on Virgil beating Boots on that storyline, quote
• 1:01:47
  -unquote, I guess, is that the holes in Boots'
• 1:01:50
  game, I think Virgil's one of the only ones in
• 1:01:53
  boxing right now that can take advantage of it.
• 1:01:59
  I don't see anybody else taking advantage of
• 1:02:01
  Boots like Virgil. Okay? Nobody else at 154,
• 1:02:06
  like, Fundora maybe just because of his height.
• 1:02:08
  That's it. Well, no, Fundora's all smoke and
• 1:02:13
  mirrors if you really take a look. Yeah. So that's
• 1:02:17
  it. Like, let's be real. I re -watched the Lubin
• 1:02:21
  fight just to be like, okay, you know what? I
• 1:02:24
  do like watching Fundora fight. Maybe I'm just
• 1:02:26
  being a little too negative because my favorite
• 1:02:28
  is at this weight class. And, like, man, Lubin
• 1:02:32
  was piecing him up at points. I really can't
• 1:02:35
  lie. Didn't he knock him down? Yeah, he knocked
• 1:02:39
  him down. Dude, look what he did to his face.
• 1:02:43
  Bro, he looked like fucking Goofy. Going to war
• 1:02:47
  with Tim Zhu twice, too. Like, not the best.
• 1:02:55
  Van Orsby's looked fucked up in that fight with
• 1:02:57
  Lubin. Lubin was way worse, but come on. So I
• 1:03:01
  just, I agree. I agree that this fight is a guaranteed
• 1:03:06
  shootout between the two premier offensive engines
• 1:03:10
  in the sport. I just think, like, I hold boots
• 1:03:17
  in that high of regard that, you know, I don't
• 1:03:21
  see it as... two of the same, but very much a
• 1:03:25
  number one versus number two fight. I kind of,
• 1:03:30
  I agree and disagree because I don't, don't,
• 1:03:33
  please don't think I hate fucking Boots. Boots
• 1:03:36
  is a phenomenal fighter. Because you have that
• 1:03:39
  much faith in Virgil's offensive engine. I'm
• 1:03:44
  just saying I don't. It's an opinion thing at
• 1:03:46
  that point. Whether you see it as 1A, 1B, or
• 1:03:49
  1 and 2. I see it as 2 and 2. Point is, these
• 1:03:53
  are the two best junior middleweights. I mean,
• 1:04:00
  we can only see when they fight, but I genuinely
• 1:04:02
  believe Virgil can take advantage of boots. Boots
• 1:04:06
  can 100 % take advantage of Virgil as well. So
• 1:04:07
  again, you could put this any way you want. That's
• 1:04:10
  why the fight's so exciting. It's exciting. There's
• 1:04:13
  so many scenarios. I think the biggest thing
• 1:04:16
  that will end up becoming relevant, whether we
• 1:04:20
  like it or not, will be activity. See, but that's
• 1:04:25
  the thing. That's the thing, though. Activity
• 1:04:28
  might, especially because I'm going to say, you
• 1:04:31
  know, spending all, like, Boots is always in
• 1:04:36
  camp. I will, like, he never even gets, he doesn't
• 1:04:39
  even get, like, skinny fat. He just doesn't,
• 1:04:41
  no fat on this guy, right? Like, he drinks fucking
• 1:04:45
  tuna. All he posts on social media is going for
• 1:04:49
  runs or sparring or hitting, like, This guy has
• 1:04:53
  no life. He's always at the gym. But he also,
• 1:04:56
  like, his recovery regimen is... Like, if you
• 1:04:59
  see it costed, it's expensive as fuck, but his
• 1:05:01
  recovery's great, too. He's not overtraining.
• 1:05:04
  Oh, yeah. But I feel like Virgil, God bless his
• 1:05:09
  soul, he spends an uncomfortable amount of the
• 1:05:12
  day either on Twitter or playing video games
• 1:05:14
  or playing Funko Pops. Or playing Funko Pops
• 1:05:17
  like Cletus Selvam. Playing in the Qatar, you
• 1:05:19
  know? That's what I'm saying. Like, he's playing,
• 1:05:21
  like... Everyone's allowed and entitled to their
• 1:05:25
  hobbies. I just think, you know, if it's visible
• 1:05:29
  to us, how much does it leak into the behind
• 1:05:32
  the scenes? Hey, stranger things happen, guys.
• 1:05:36
  Stranger things happen. Like, I'm not saying
• 1:05:40
  it's an Andy Ruiz case, but I'm saying it's very,
• 1:05:42
  like, it's not uncommon for a guy to, you know,
• 1:05:47
  especially when he's having promotional problems.
• 1:05:51
  really indulge his pastimes and kind of lose
• 1:05:57
  that extra bit of sharpness that made them...
• 1:06:00
  Maybe they come back at 99, 98%, but that percent
• 1:06:06
  is what made them great versus just very, very
• 1:06:10
  good. Mikey Garcia is the example I'll use. His
• 1:06:14
  promotional dispute with Top Rank, he didn't
• 1:06:18
  look the same after that. No. And I'm not going
• 1:06:23
  to say, no, I'm not going to say he looked bad,
• 1:06:25
  like as bad as he did with Sandor. I'm saying,
• 1:06:28
  you know, he spent two years out of the ring
• 1:06:32
  and, like, he still looked really, really good.
• 1:06:35
  But, you know, washing Lipinets and Broner, those
• 1:06:39
  probably could have been stoppages instead of
• 1:06:41
  wide decisions type 1 % sharpness. Can I... Oh,
• 1:06:50
  my God. Okay, sorry. I know this is, you know,
• 1:06:56
  not related to the topic. I just got to bring
• 1:06:58
  this up. I guess Ennis is not fighting Vendora.
• 1:07:02
  I did see that. I did read that as well. It's
• 1:07:06
  just in. Vendora's fighting who? An Albanian.
• 1:07:13
  Vendora's fighting... No fucking way. Pandora's
• 1:07:16
  fighting a WBC mandatory instead of Ennis. For
• 1:07:20
  the record, the WBC does not enforce mandatories
• 1:07:23
  unless they are sued. So there's no fucking way.
• 1:07:28
  There's no excuse for fighting your shitty mandatory
• 1:07:31
  if you have a WBC belt. There's no fucking...
• 1:07:38
  Yeah, we're moving on to this of what's next.
• 1:07:40
  What's next for Zaius is... Yeah, back in line,
• 1:07:44
  buddy. Get back. He's got to get back. Get back
• 1:07:46
  first. Back in line. Back in line. Madrimov is
• 1:07:50
  pretty free eats. Honestly, with Zayas, I could
• 1:07:55
  see him fighting a lot of, you know, top 10.
• 1:07:59
  Go Brandon Adams. Go Madrimov. Pretty free eats.
• 1:08:04
  You know what? You want to say fuck it and fight
• 1:08:05
  Bohochuk? Go fight Bohochuk. No, I say Brandon
• 1:08:09
  Adams for the ranking. Am I going to? Brandon
• 1:08:12
  Adams, you get back in line for the IBF. That's
• 1:08:15
  true. Five more to Zyliff. That's an easy fight
• 1:08:18
  to make. Back in line for the IBF. That's what
• 1:08:20
  I'm saying. Back in line because you're not going
• 1:08:24
  to get another shot at boots. I do want to glow
• 1:08:27
  a little bit. Oh, sorry. Go. Apparently, he has
• 1:08:30
  a rematch clause. It should not happen. No. No.
• 1:08:33
  He took a knee. He took a knee for a reason.
• 1:08:36
  I'm not saying he took the knee or anything.
• 1:08:38
  I'm saying. Okay, so Boots already knows everything
• 1:08:42
  you can give him. You gave Boots absolutely,
• 1:08:47
  like, overachieved everything you have, and he
• 1:08:50
  still beat your ass for six out of seven rounds.
• 1:08:53
  And your corner threw in the towel to avoid you
• 1:08:55
  getting even more of a beating. Let's give Boots
• 1:08:58
  another camp at 154 and some more time to really
• 1:09:03
  hone in on the things that bothered you. One
• 1:09:07
  thing, I'll tell you this. I want to gloat, okay?
• 1:09:10
  I was right about that knockdown being from a
• 1:09:13
  straight punch. Yeah. Zayas was getting hit all
• 1:09:16
  night with a damn straight. I just had to point
• 1:09:20
  that out. The jab in the first rounds was like,
• 1:09:22
  I didn't even know Boots had that. Oh, yeah,
• 1:09:25
  no. That was crazy. Like, the way he came out
• 1:09:28
  with that jab, I'm like, damn, he has that? What
• 1:09:32
  the fuck? Lomachenko? No, just the solid, like,
• 1:09:39
  rod down the middle. Geronchenko? From both stances
• 1:09:44
  was like, oh, my God. Because I know he's a lefty
• 1:09:47
  who fights orthodox. But from both stances, the
• 1:09:52
  jab that he could throw down the middle is like,
• 1:09:54
  oh. Damn. Yeah, like, I didn't know he had that.
• 1:10:00
  Watching booze is so much damn fun. Yeah. Like,
• 1:10:03
  it's not like, oh, this is an all -time great
• 1:10:06
  jab, but it's like, oh, my God. That's another
• 1:10:09
  thing to worry about on top of the pile of everything
• 1:10:13
  to worry about. Yeah. Hopefully, Zayas comes
• 1:10:18
  back from this, though. I want to see him again
• 1:10:20
  for sure. Zayas was spared from, yeah, he's,
• 1:10:23
  honestly, he did overperform. I do want to see
• 1:10:27
  him end with, you know. I don't want to see him
• 1:10:30
  in immediately with the top guys. Like, give
• 1:10:32
  me, like, Brandon Adams. Take a trip to Australia
• 1:10:35
  for one of the Siouxs. And you know what, too?
• 1:10:40
  I'll tell you this, too. Another thing. Zayas.
• 1:10:46
  I got to say it again. He got heart. And I guarantee
• 1:10:50
  he's gained so many fans from this. Myself included.
• 1:10:55
  I didn't expect him to be as durable. as tenacious
• 1:11:00
  as he was. That Puerto Rican heart. Yeah, he
• 1:11:04
  had a lot of heart. His chin, super tough. He's
• 1:11:07
  really tough. Corner saved him from himself.
• 1:11:12
  Even if he... He was kneeling, and then he saw
• 1:11:16
  his corner was going to pull the plug, and he
• 1:11:21
  didn't argue. So that, to me, is a sign of being
• 1:11:25
  coachable. And isn't quitting. Exactly. Isn't
• 1:11:29
  quitting. It's just, dude, like. Realizing it's
• 1:11:32
  over. Yeah, it's over. Your ass is getting, like,
• 1:11:35
  so, like, this is. He was getting smoked. This
• 1:11:39
  corner saved him. Yeah. This corner saved him
• 1:11:41
  from something career altering. Because Boots
• 1:11:43
  isn't, like, again, this is where we, the ego
• 1:11:46
  we talked about earlier. Boots ain't a guy who
• 1:11:48
  will go, like, you know, the fake, like, ref,
• 1:11:52
  step in here. Like, no, he's just going to keep
• 1:11:56
  caving you in. He's going to kill you. If he
• 1:11:59
  can, he will. He's going to kill you. He's Mr.
• 1:12:02
  Catch -a -body. He's a real Mr. Catch -a -body.
• 1:12:05
  So that's why I'm like, okay, it's not, and it
• 1:12:09
  wouldn't even be on purpose. He's trying to knock
• 1:12:10
  you out. If you just don't get knocked out, he's
• 1:12:13
  just going to keep going. And you know what,
• 1:12:15
  another thing too, I know it's kind of weird
• 1:12:17
  to bring up, but Zaius also took the loss with
• 1:12:20
  humility. I got to say that. You usually see,
• 1:12:24
  recently at least, when guys lose, they walk
• 1:12:26
  out the ring, they don't even get interviewed
• 1:12:28
  anymore. I don't mind that. I do not mind not
• 1:12:32
  interviewing a blatantly concussed guy. No, I
• 1:12:36
  agree. I do agree. I agree. It's a flaw the UFC
• 1:12:41
  heavily has where they'll be like, hey, you've
• 1:12:44
  just taken five years off your life. What's next?
• 1:12:49
  Like, recovery. Get back in the gym and get back
• 1:12:52
  in the cage and get five more years taken off
• 1:12:55
  my life. Look, look, but I gotta say that Xander,
• 1:12:59
  after the fight, he gave Boots his flowers and
• 1:13:02
  he spoke with humility. Like, yeah, he was a
• 1:13:04
  better man tonight. He was fantastic. But I'm
• 1:13:08
  gonna come back. I like it. It's a good spirit.
• 1:13:10
  I don't mind guys who make excuses. It means
• 1:13:13
  they haven't given up either. Exactly. There's
• 1:13:15
  a certain way of handling it that isn't... Like,
• 1:13:19
  because some guys, you can tell they've given
• 1:13:20
  up, they're done, when they're like, yeah, he's
• 1:13:22
  better. Here, it was very, like, you know, Zayas
• 1:13:27
  believes he can reach this again someday. Yes,
• 1:13:31
  he was ready. He's just got to reach it. I don't
• 1:13:35
  think he can, but that's me being a chud, because
• 1:13:37
  Ennis is that good. If he goes to middleweight,
• 1:13:41
  he'll dominate. I don't know where Adamas is
• 1:13:46
  going. He's been talking about, like, Adamas
• 1:13:49
  is probably the only guy at 160, I think, he
• 1:13:52
  doesn't have a shot against. But Adamas is going
• 1:13:56
  up, so. I don't know yet. If he's ducking Iglesias,
• 1:14:01
  then you're stuck at 160, buddy. I thought that
• 1:14:04
  was the fight he was going for. I know, but now
• 1:14:07
  he's like, oh, no one wants to fight me, so I'm
• 1:14:10
  going to stay at 160 on Twitter. Uh -oh. Iglesias
• 1:14:14
  was a little bit too eager. Yeah, I was going
• 1:14:17
  to say. Eye of the Tiger was like... Because
• 1:14:20
  Eye of the Tiger, especially now that they're
• 1:14:23
  getting a lot more dates, both at the casinos
• 1:14:26
  and at the Bell Center, because there's a lot...
• 1:14:28
  You know, all the artists went on tour last year,
• 1:14:30
  but this year there's a lot more free room at
• 1:14:33
  Sandra Bell. Because there's just less people
• 1:14:37
  touring. Yeah, they can fill in a date with Adamas
• 1:14:40
  Iglesias they're going to. A world title fight.
• 1:14:44
  World title fight between two champs for pretty
• 1:14:47
  cheap. Like, you're gonna feel that. Yeah. So
• 1:14:54
  I'm like, yeah, they're gonna... I have a feeling
• 1:14:58
  Iglesias said, yes, what do you need? And Adamas,
• 1:15:04
  like... Because I feel like Adamas as much...
• 1:15:07
  Love him to death in the ring because he's very
• 1:15:09
  good and very fun. I feel like he kind of likes
• 1:15:14
  the... Everyone's ducking me. for himself. Well,
• 1:15:21
  because, yeah, that makes him look like a boogeyman.
• 1:15:23
  I feel like he enjoys it, and Iglesias is, like,
• 1:15:27
  you know, everyone's ducking me. Shiraz and Abili
• 1:15:30
  don't want to fight me. I'm being blackballed
• 1:15:34
  from the world titles at 168. Like, the gimmick
• 1:15:37
  works great, and then Iglesias is so desperate
• 1:15:41
  for an opponent. Yeah, because then he looks
• 1:15:44
  too scary. Iglesias is fucking terrifying. I
• 1:15:47
  do not blame him either. This is not me being
• 1:15:49
  like, ah, look at the duck. This is just like,
• 1:15:51
  what did you expect? Of course Iglesias is going
• 1:15:57
  to say, yeah, bring it. Ask and you shall receive.
• 1:16:00
  Yeah, like, Iglesias needs opponents. And you
• 1:16:07
  are a credible one. And he's got a very solid
• 1:16:11
  fan base here in Canada. There are lots of guys,
• 1:16:17
  at least because I'm stationed in Ottawa. There's
• 1:16:20
  a bunch of guys I've met here in Ottawa that
• 1:16:23
  make the drive whenever Iglesias fights. But
• 1:16:26
  only when Iglesias fights. They don't like the
• 1:16:27
  Eye of the Tiger cards otherwise. It's weird.
• 1:16:36
  They don't even know Better BF's name, but Ozzy's
• 1:16:39
  Iglesias is on their watch list. Of course. And
• 1:16:43
  these are just, like, casual, like, coworkers.
• 1:16:46
  This isn't, like, guys who like boxing. This
• 1:16:49
  is guys who like going to events, like concerts
• 1:16:51
  and stuff. So, yeah, it's a little obvious that
• 1:16:56
  Adamas would end up. But as for middleweights
• 1:17:00
  that Zayas could beat, yeah, Lara is right there.
• 1:17:05
  You probably need to blow on him, and he will
• 1:17:08
  crumble to dust. He is that old. Yeah. But, you
• 1:17:17
  know, I was going to say, LeBron was still in
• 1:17:20
  his first stint with the Cavs when Laura was
• 1:17:23
  first fighting for world titles. I'm serious.
• 1:17:31
  LeBron was still on his rookie contract when
• 1:17:34
  Laura was first coming on the scene. So, you
• 1:17:40
  know, whatever it be. What are we doing at middleweight?
• 1:17:45
  But he should go to middleweight. Anyways, let's
• 1:17:50
  go to the ugly stepson of the weekend. All right.
• 1:17:56
  The bastard child. The last thing. Sunday, June
• 1:18:00
  28th, Zufa Boxing 8 on Paramount+. They finally
• 1:18:05
  stepped out. Well, in the US, they stepped out
• 1:18:07
  of the meta apex. The prelims were fine. We're
• 1:18:15
  going to go to the main portion of the card.
• 1:18:18
  Kane Sandoval beats Brandon Lee by majority decision.
• 1:18:23
  I think Brandon Lee beat himself more than anything.
• 1:18:29
  Oh, my God. Good, good, good. Good riddance.
• 1:18:34
  I've seen, I've seen, this is, this is the single
• 1:18:37
  guy I've seen the most, like, misplaced type
• 1:18:39
  about in my personal life and online. Like, I
• 1:18:48
  was talking about this before the podcast, but
• 1:18:51
  he's a, he's a boomer bust prospect who is a
• 1:18:54
  guaranteed bust. It was just a matter of when.
• 1:19:01
  But this is kind of a very sad place to have
• 1:19:04
  that bust occur on. I mean, he practically did
• 1:19:10
  before, like, who was it? Pedro Campa, I think
• 1:19:15
  it was, that had Brandon Lee on skates. Yep,
• 1:19:19
  and Madera knocked him down. So he had already
• 1:19:26
  busted for all intents and purposes. I just...
• 1:19:30
  I would have wanted to see at least, like, if
• 1:19:34
  you're a promoter who is, you know, all prospects
• 1:19:37
  are investments. I hate to say it. Like, yes,
• 1:19:42
  they're people, but they are ultimately investments.
• 1:19:44
  And you always want to prospect over an established
• 1:19:47
  older guy because of potential. But you would
• 1:19:50
  have wanted to cash Brandon Lee out because he
• 1:19:53
  is... I'm not going to say regrettably because
• 1:19:56
  he did do a great job on social media building
• 1:19:58
  up his fan base, but he has a fan base. You would
• 1:20:04
  have wanted to cash it out in something better
• 1:20:06
  than Zupa, but, you know, especially what was
• 1:20:12
  it at? This was at 147, but he did fight at 140.
• 1:20:16
  He did used to fight at 140. And with the time
• 1:20:19
  off, it wouldn't have been that big of a move.
• 1:20:22
  You could have gotten a paycheck with Hitchens,
• 1:20:25
  I feel. If you get past this hurdle, because
• 1:20:34
  he can make 140. He always showed up overly hydrated.
• 1:20:42
  The gimmick with this guy was always, yeah, I
• 1:20:46
  weigh like 143, but I'll weigh in at 140 when
• 1:20:49
  I get into the world rankings. I just didn't
• 1:20:52
  get into the world rankings, that is. But that
• 1:20:59
  was the whole gimmick with this guy. So I feel
• 1:21:01
  like if you maneuver him a bit better, you give
• 1:21:05
  him a guy a bit worse at 140, you really try
• 1:21:09
  and make 140, and then you have him fight Hitchens.
• 1:21:14
  At least that's a cash out, because you know,
• 1:21:19
  say what you will about Sandoval, he's not bad.
• 1:21:23
  He's the type of guy that the Brits, if he were
• 1:21:34
  Mexican, they'd send him to the UK and he'd win
• 1:21:36
  two WBA world titles. It's just a little disappointing
• 1:21:48
  to say the least. Omar Trinidad gets the UD over
• 1:21:56
  Jerwin on Cajas. Nothing for Jerwin to be ashamed
• 1:22:02
  of. He put up a hell of a fight. It was just...
• 1:22:05
  Like, his age was showing. The shopwear was showing.
• 1:22:11
  It's obvious that he's very much an established
• 1:22:15
  veteran type. Yeah. So, oh well. I was going
• 1:22:21
  to say, he's 34 and has been fighting since 2009
• 1:22:27
  at featherweight. And in the main event, Rayo
• 1:22:36
  Valenzuela knocks out Edwin De Los Santos in
• 1:22:40
  the second. Hilarious fight. Kind of a hilarious
• 1:22:49
  fight, hilarious ending, considering what happened
• 1:22:52
  in their first meeting. If we recall. Yeah. The
• 1:23:01
  obvious, like, Roy Jones Jr. hit on the ground
• 1:23:04
  that De Los Santos committed. Do we think it
• 1:23:09
  was as egregious as people are claiming in this
• 1:23:14
  fight? No. not at all i don't think so it kind
• 1:23:18
  of it kind of hit his shoulder it hit his shoulder
• 1:23:22
  i saw like really heavy slowdown unlike the de
• 1:23:25
  los santos one where he would he would have gone
• 1:23:29
  through the ropes if he missed um yeah good for
• 1:23:36
  rio though rio is just gonna i guess carve up
• 1:23:39
  and own zufa forever But, I don't know. What
• 1:23:46
  else does he do? You're gonna own Zufa with fucking
• 1:23:48
  limited competition? What else does he do? Fly
• 1:23:54
  Floyd Schofield? Oh my god. That would be...
• 1:23:59
  Valenzuela Schofield would actually be a great
• 1:24:02
  fight. Yeah. As for De Los Santos... I don't
• 1:24:12
  really care. Honestly. recycle him with the other
• 1:24:18
  lightweights. Does Zufa even keep him or do they
• 1:24:23
  just release him after this? I'm sure they'll
• 1:24:25
  keep him. He's still a recognizable name. That's
• 1:24:29
  true. I've been out on him since the Shakur fight.
• 1:24:36
  Oh god. This does not help. I'm not a big we
• 1:24:43
  throw away fighters based on one performance
• 1:24:45
  person. Because if that were true, then Shakur
• 1:24:48
  Stevenson would be in my forever hate watch for
• 1:24:51
  the Nakathalia fight. That fight was fucking
• 1:24:56
  dog... Like, nobody watched it. There's proof
• 1:24:58
  that no one watched him fight Jeremiah Nakathalia.
• 1:25:01
  Because that fight was fucking terrible. That
• 1:25:04
  was worse than the De Los Santos fight. But that
• 1:25:07
  being said... How De Los Santos behaved in that
• 1:25:10
  fight, specifically being an aggressive guy,
• 1:25:13
  just refusing to risk getting punched, basically.
• 1:25:18
  That's, like, I can't, I can't forgive that.
• 1:25:21
  Like, it was very Rancis Barthelemy -like. Okay,
• 1:25:25
  no, we're not going to Rancis Barthelemy. It
• 1:25:28
  is very Rancis Barthelemy -like. Yeah, but fuck
• 1:25:30
  Rancis. I know, that's why I hate De Los Santos
• 1:25:34
  for that. Like, that, because I'm like, okay.
• 1:25:37
  The Nakathalia fight was bad because it was basically,
• 1:25:40
  like, Shakur just pot -shotted for 12 rounds.
• 1:25:45
  And it was, like, kind of, like, it was bad to
• 1:25:48
  watch, but, like, it's no one's fault. That one
• 1:25:51
  was directly De Los Santos' fault for refusing
• 1:25:53
  to even dream of engaging. Like, everyone see...
• 1:26:01
  The low -light reel only focuses on Shakur leaping
• 1:26:06
  back towards the ropes, but why did De Los Santos
• 1:26:08
  not follow him? There's a second party here.
• 1:26:15
  I like Ryo a lot. Ryo's fun. But De Los Santos,
• 1:26:20
  the fact that in the biggest fight of his career,
• 1:26:24
  that's what he shows is you can't trust him.
• 1:26:31
  I don't know about you guys. I agree. I agree.
• 1:26:36
  Yeah, same. Like, it's very, like, Rancis Bartholomew
• 1:26:40
  actually wasn't perceived as that bad, and he
• 1:26:42
  was fighting a world title fight, but he just
• 1:26:44
  had the fight. You know what? You don't even
• 1:26:47
  know who he fought. You forget who he fought,
• 1:26:50
  right? But you know it's that fight. Robert Easter
• 1:26:53
  Jr. Oh, jeez. I remember that one now that you
• 1:26:57
  say it. Yeah, that's the fight. that like because
• 1:27:02
  he wasn't he wasn't that bad he was pretty like
• 1:27:04
  yeah he's a very he's a solid guy he's not great
• 1:27:06
  you know world champion at a weight class below
• 1:27:10
  and then the robert easter fight comes back and
• 1:27:14
  like you just cannot get behind this guy ever
• 1:27:16
  again like as a fan of the sport and i feel like
• 1:27:22
  it's the same way with de los santos we're like
• 1:27:25
  Yeah, I will chuckle a bit that you got knocked
• 1:27:29
  out like that on Zufa for a pack of potato chips.
• 1:27:36
  I'll chuckle a little bit at that. It's not...
• 1:27:42
  Because you know what? If he gave it a go in
• 1:27:44
  the first couple rounds, and then Shakur really
• 1:27:48
  puts that much of a bit of a masterclass on him
• 1:27:51
  that he has to kind of shrink, it's whatever.
• 1:27:54
  You... You at least had the will to be present.
• 1:27:58
  You made some semblance of an effort. Yeah, but
• 1:28:01
  this is the biggest fight of your career, and
• 1:28:03
  you put less of an effort. Like, you put no effort
• 1:28:07
  into this. Like, I can't... Like, how are we
• 1:28:11
  ever supposed to trust you? As, like, fans, as,
• 1:28:18
  you know, observers of the sport, how are we...
• 1:28:23
  It's just... It's really hard to get behind someone
• 1:28:25
  after such a... Because, you know, I've talked
• 1:28:28
  about negative fighters, but that is just...
• 1:28:30
  That is non -fighting. You are just not participating
• 1:28:32
  in the sport. So... Where he goes next is...
• 1:28:39
  I don't really care. I want to see more Ryo,
• 1:28:41
  though. He's fun. Let's keep it rolling because
• 1:28:47
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• 1:28:51
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  P -R -O -T -O -N All right. Previews. are light
• 1:32:11
  again um really quickly sunday july 12th top
• 1:32:16
  tier boxing on DAZN uh there is a whole bunch
• 1:32:22
  of going on on this card uh just there's nothing
• 1:32:28
  else this weekend there's very little this weekend
• 1:32:32
  so uh make peace with this Because that is almost
• 1:32:39
  as good as it gets. Go on. I was going to say,
• 1:32:47
  we're going to have the crowning of the next
• 1:32:48
  generation of heavyweight champion. We are. Saturday,
• 1:32:52
  July 11th, IBA Pro 19 at the VTB Arena in Moscow.
• 1:33:02
  We have... Two fights on, like, this is just
• 1:33:07
  the main three. Murad Kalidov versus Arslan Yalyaev.
• 1:33:14
  And Artem Suslenkov versus Joe Joyce. Imagine
• 1:33:20
  that shit. He's back. Man, Joe Joyce is being
• 1:33:23
  fed to an IBA prospect. How the mighty have fallen.
• 1:33:28
  The mighty? Mighty. Joe Joyce was rather mighty.
• 1:33:33
  It was just four years ago. That's true, he took
• 1:33:35
  out a current champion right now. Yeah, he's
• 1:33:39
  taking out a current champion. It was just four
• 1:33:41
  years ago that he was mighty. But he was mighty
• 1:33:44
  once. And now he's being fed to an IBA prospect.
• 1:33:49
  The Ji Lei Zhang experience. Oh, man. And main
• 1:33:54
  event. Murat Gassiev, the WBA heavyweight champion
• 1:33:59
  versus Tony Yoka. Oh my god, Gassiev. Finally,
• 1:34:07
  Gassiev does something. We've been poking him
• 1:34:09
  with a stick for eight years. Is that how long
• 1:34:14
  it's been since the WBSS? 2018 was when he fought
• 1:34:21
  Usyk. In one month, it will have been eight years
• 1:34:26
  since he fought Usyk. And then since then, we've
• 1:34:29
  been poking him with a stick to do anything.
• 1:34:35
  And we're finally at it. He will hopefully beat
• 1:34:38
  Tony Yoka, because if I have to say the words
• 1:34:40
  Tony Yoka Heavyweight World Championship, I may
• 1:34:42
  quit this podcast. Tony Yoka Heavyweight Champion
• 1:34:47
  before... Either one getting a heavyweight belt
• 1:34:52
  before Virgil even steps in the ring for a world
• 1:34:55
  title fight is comical. It's really funny. You
• 1:35:03
  know? But, you know, I don't know what Saul has
• 1:35:08
  to say about that. I'm like, hearing you react
• 1:35:15
  is making me want to fucking laugh like crazy.
• 1:35:18
  Because, are you fucking kidding me that in the
• 1:35:21
  big 2026, we're getting this fucking fight? If
• 1:35:28
  you had told me two years ago that I'd be seeing
• 1:35:30
  Kassiev and Tony Yoka fight for a belt, One of
• 1:35:35
  Usyk's belts. No less. And Usyk is vacating because
• 1:35:40
  he lost to a fucking, well not lost, but looked
• 1:35:43
  horrible against a fucking kickboxer. Exposed
• 1:35:45
  by a kickboxer? Exactly, yeah. He got exposed
• 1:35:49
  by a kickboxer. I call you fucking stupid. Oh
• 1:35:52
  my god. I need Gassif to win by highlight knockout.
• 1:35:57
  I just can't. I cannot do it with Tony Yoka being
• 1:36:00
  champ. The guy who chose to be suspended for
• 1:36:10
  a year instead of take a single drug test is
• 1:36:12
  like, I can't do this. We don't want this. It
• 1:36:20
  can't be. It cannot happen. You can't keep getting
• 1:36:24
  away with this? I think Yoka and Joe Joyce should
• 1:36:27
  lose and then fight each other. And then retire.
• 1:36:31
  Yeah, it's not happening. Yoka's 34. He's closer
• 1:36:35
  to retirement than you think. Yeah, but then
• 1:36:38
  I gotta retire after they become champ, though.
• 1:36:40
  He's not becoming champ. He's not becoming champ.
• 1:36:44
  It's not happening. He catches up against AJ.
• 1:36:48
  Boxing hates us. I cannot live in a world where
• 1:36:51
  Dave Allen fought a world champion. That would
• 1:36:56
  be pretty fucking funny, though. Imagine they
• 1:36:59
  do the rematch and Dave Allen wins. It's possible.
• 1:37:05
  That's kind of fun. It's possible. Don't do this
• 1:37:09
  to me. At one point, Dave Allen could have fought
• 1:37:13
  Usyk. Dave Allen probably could have fought Anthony
• 1:37:17
  Joshua. I can't believe our listeners thought
• 1:37:20
  we would give him two weeks without a Dave Allen
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  mention. No. I'm so glad he came out of retirement
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  after Usyk knocked him out in sparring. It's
• 1:37:34
  a real thing. He was actually asleep. I'm so
• 1:37:41
  glad he came back. It makes me so, so happy he
• 1:37:44
  came back. He sucks so bad. I love it. I love
• 1:37:53
  heavyweights. But you know what? That's the level
• 1:38:00
  of boxing we have this weekend. overall. Actually,
• 1:38:06
  we talked about top tier. It's light. It's a
• 1:38:11
  light, light weekend. Go for a walk Sunday. Yeah,
• 1:38:18
  seriously. You don't need to be spending your
• 1:38:21
  time on top tier. Chances are we're not going
• 1:38:23
  to recap it. Like the IBA card? Cool. Heavyweight
• 1:38:27
  champions. Just heavyweights. They're fun. It'll
• 1:38:30
  be fun. There'll be some knockouts on this card.
• 1:38:33
  Whatever. I can't. I just can't do the other
• 1:38:38
  one. I can't. It's like Sunday's light. You should
• 1:38:42
  go for a walk. You know, hug some family members.
• 1:38:45
  Take your dog out. Yeah. Go for a run. Yeah.
• 1:38:54
  Go fight a homeless person. Make your own boxing.
• 1:39:04
  Allegedly. On Roblox and Minecraft. Well, that's
• 1:39:17
  all we got. We are heading into IBA Pro 19 weekend.
• 1:39:25
  But we're still glowing in Jaron Ennis' victory.
• 1:39:32
  Over Xander Zayas. Parting words. Let's go, Virgil.
• 1:39:40
  Let's go, Scofield. Oh, my God. My classic motto.
• 1:39:46
  Call the number and tell Saul that Virgil will
• 1:39:49
  never win a world title. How about you come on
• 1:39:52
  here to beat me yourself, you fucking bitch?
• 1:39:58
  And you know who I'm talking to. My arch nemesis.
• 1:40:03
  The fat one or the other one? No, the other one.
• 1:40:07
  The other one. The one that was too scared to
• 1:40:09
  bait me over Berlanga. Oh my God. The big one's
• 1:40:16
  my friend. Yeah. Dude, I'm watching the fat one
• 1:40:21
  talk about Errol Spence in the year 2026. Anyways.
• 1:40:30
  All right. That is it for this edition of the
• 1:40:34
  Boxing B -Sides. We will see you on the other
• 1:40:36
  side of Tony Yoka Champ before Virgil. I hope
• 1:40:44
  that doesn't happen. I hope that doesn't happen.
• 1:40:47
  Please, please, please. I can't have it happen.
• 1:40:51
  Oh, my God. I'm going to kill myself if it happens.
• 1:40:54
  I can't. Genuinely, just that. I think that is
• 1:40:58
  the, like. One of my last potential last straws
• 1:41:02
  that I just can't deal with. Why should a boxing
• 1:41:19
  fan watch MMA? Okay, here's my pitch. The reason
• 1:41:26
  that a boxing... fan would consider watching
• 1:41:28
  mma in the year of our lord 2026 is that mma
• 1:41:31
  is cheaper and more accessible than it's ever
• 1:41:34
  been in its lifetime our biggest organization
• 1:41:37
  the ufc has done away with pay -per -views it's
• 1:41:40
  now just like a 15 month payment to paramount
• 1:41:43
  plus and you get 40 plus fight cards a year and
• 1:41:49
  it's not just the ufc you have organizations
• 1:41:52
  like 1fc and ryzen that put stuff directly on
• 1:41:56
  youtube for free to watch and you're able to
• 1:42:00
  see a wide variety of high level skills like
• 1:42:03
  this is not just like amateur or unless we're
• 1:42:06
  talking about the heavyweight division but boxing
• 1:42:09
  fans can relate to uh the gap of skill there
• 1:42:11
  um you know these are some of the most talented
• 1:42:14
  athletes in the world and they're fighting especially
• 1:42:17
  if i can point out the muay thai stuff that happens
• 1:42:20
  in 1fc it's phenomenal Another reason that a
• 1:42:24
  boxing fan would want this, would want to jump
• 1:42:26
  in now, is that I think unlike a lot of the cards
• 1:42:30
  you're used to watching in boxing, MMA cards
• 1:42:34
  are worth watching from the start. Like, you
• 1:42:37
  don't have to wait until the co -main to see
• 1:42:39
  something that isn't complete nerd shit most
• 1:42:42
  of the times. You're seeing, even if it's a lower
• 1:42:45
  skill ceiling, you're still seeing fights that
• 1:42:50
  are exciting and compelling to watch. We just
• 1:42:54
  came off the backs of UFC 327 and that card top
• 1:42:57
  to bottom was like absolutely stacked. So great
• 1:43:01
  example. You can watch the whole thing for, you
• 1:43:05
  know, in bits and pieces or from start to finish
• 1:43:08
  in Paramount Plus right now if you subscribe.
• 1:43:09
  So Paramount, give us some money. We're doing
• 1:43:12
  marketing for you. So that would be my pitch.
• 1:43:16
  Perfect. If you do decide to give MMA a shot,
• 1:43:19
  then why don't you check out Ultimate F 'n Casuals?
• 1:43:21
  It's kind of the same format. We talked the fights
• 1:43:24
  that happened the past weekend and then the stuff
• 1:43:26
  coming up this weekend. Give it a shot. It's
• 1:43:29
  Ultimate F 'n Casuals.