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- 0:00Today's tech news moves fast, but understanding
- 0:03it shouldn't be hard. That's why Snarful Solutions
- 0:06Group brings you Connecting the Dots, where we
- 0:09break down what's happening in tech and why it
- 0:11matters to you. Now, let's dive in with your
- 0:14hosts. Imagine having to wait for a government
- 0:18agency like, say, the FDA to... Thoroughly test
- 0:24your smartphone's newest software update before
- 0:26you could actually download it. Oh, wow. Yeah,
- 0:28that sounds like a nightmare. Right. It sounds
- 0:30a little crazy, like it would just, you know,
- 0:33break the entire Internet. Obliquely. Well, depending
- 0:35on what kind of software we're talking about,
- 0:36that might be exactly the reality we're heading
- 0:39toward. Welcome to Connecting the Dots, broadcasting
- 0:42directly from Snarfl Solutions Group right here
- 0:44in Sacramento, California. I'm your host, Alex,
- 0:46and I'm joined by my fantastic co -host, Morgan.
- 0:49Hey, everyone. It's great to be here. Today is
- 0:52Tuesday. May 5, 2026, and we have a whole lot
- 0:56to unpack for you. We really do. But before we
- 0:59get into the heavy tech shifts happening today,
- 1:01let's get you caught up on what's happening outside
- 1:03your window and in your wallet. Yes, please.
- 1:06So locally here in Sacramento, you're looking
- 1:08at a beautiful day. It's partly sunny, sitting
- 1:12at a comfortable 68 degrees with just a light
- 1:15five mile per hour breeze. Not bad at all. Not
- 1:17bad, but. If you're traveling or listening from
- 1:20outside the valley though, it is a very busy
- 1:22weather day nationally. There are currently 294
- 1:26active U .S. weather alerts. Yeah, with 94 of
- 1:30those over land. So, depending on where you are
- 1:32right now, make sure you check weather .gov to
- 1:34stay safe. Absolutely. And looking at the financial
- 1:38markets, if you have traditional investments,
- 1:40it was a bit of a rough ride to start the week.
- 1:42Ouch, yeah. The Dow took a significant hit yesterday,
- 1:46closing down almost an entire percent specifically,
- 1:49a drop of 474 .60 points. That hurts. It does.
- 1:54And the S &P 500 mirrored that downward trend,
- 1:57dropping 27 .63 points. But, and this is fascinating,
- 2:01if you contrast that traditional market slide
- 2:03with the crypto space, it's like a completely
- 2:05different universe right now. Oh, Bitcoin is
- 2:07just on fire. It is. Bitcoin is having an absolutely
- 2:09incredible week. It shot up over 11 ,113 points
- 2:13just today, closing at a massive 80 ,937 .36.
- 2:18It really is a tale of two entirely different
- 2:20economies right now. And just a really quick
- 2:22update from the Diamond. If you caught the game
- 2:24last night, the SF Giants edged out the San Diego
- 2:27Padres with a tight 3 -2 victory. Yeah, big shout
- 2:31out to winning pitcher Trevor McDonald for holding
- 2:33the line in those final innings. And both the
- 2:36Oakland Athletics and our hometown Sacramento
- 2:38Kings had the night off. So, you know, a rare
- 2:41chance to reclaim your evening. Love a quiet
- 2:43sports night sometimes. All right. So there is
- 2:46a massive wave of technological shifts happening
- 2:48right under our noses today. Let's look closer.
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- 3:08.com. Okay, let's jump right into our Morningstar
- 3:11tech report. Today, our three main stories might
- 3:14initially seem like they're, I don't know, pulled
- 3:17from completely different corners of the business
- 3:19world. Right, they seem disconnected at first
- 3:21glance. Exactly. But they're actually all anchored
- 3:24by a single massive force. We're looking at the
- 3:28immediate real world ripple effects of the AI
- 3:31explosion. It's touching everything. It really
- 3:34is. We're going to trace this from how the government
- 3:36is actively trying to regulate AI software to
- 3:39how the physical hardware supply chain is just
- 3:42it's buckling under the weight. of those models.
- 3:45Oh, big time. And finally, to how this technology
- 3:48is fundamentally rewriting what it means to even
- 3:51hold a job. It really is the ultimate domino
- 3:53effect. And the first domino falling right now
- 3:57is government regulation. Right. So what's happening
- 3:59in Washington? Well, according to reports from
- 4:01the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and
- 4:03Axios, the Trump administration is currently
- 4:06in early exploratory discussions about forming
- 4:09a new AI working group. Okay. And the core focus
- 4:12of this group would be establishing strict oversight
- 4:15procedures for advanced AI models. Specifically,
- 4:18they're looking at vetting these high -risk models
- 4:20before they are ever released to the public.
- 4:23And just to be clear for everyone listening,
- 4:25when we say high risk, we aren't talking about
- 4:27like a chat bot giving you a hallucinated recipe
- 4:30for chocolate chip cookies. No. We're talking
- 4:33about actual national security level threats.
- 4:36Exactly. The conversations at the federal level
- 4:38are heavily focused on AI systems that are capable
- 4:41of facilitating massive cyber attacks. To understand
- 4:45why this is such a big deal, you kind of have
- 4:47to look at how these models actually work. Right.
- 4:49They aren't just writing simple scripts anymore.
- 4:51Not at all. An advanced AI can digest the entire
- 4:54code base of, say, a hospital's legacy computer
- 4:57network, understand the underlying logic, and
- 5:00then actively help malicious users identify zero
- 5:03-day vulnerabilities. Wow. So it spots the holes
- 5:06in the fence that human security teams haven't
- 5:08even noticed yet. Precisely. So officials are
- 5:11weighing several options to stop this, which
- 5:13could include formal mandatory pre -release review
- 5:17processes or even government -led testing environments
- 5:20for these specific higher risk systems. To give
- 5:23you some context on the mechanics of this policy
- 5:26shift, this actually really mirrors the multi
- 5:29-layered oversight approach we're currently seeing
- 5:32over in the UK. Right, where they essentially
- 5:34require confirmation that models meet certain
- 5:36safety standards before commercial deployment.
- 5:39Exactly. And it's also worth noting the timeline
- 5:41here. On January 20, 2025, which was his first
- 5:44day back in office, Donald Trump officially revoked
- 5:47the Biden administration's executive order 14
- 5:50-110 on AI. Which was a pretty major shift. Huge.
- 5:54But what we're seeing now is simply the mechanical
- 5:57process of a new administration trying to build
- 5:59its own regulatory framework from the ground
- 6:01up. Right. And regardless of the political mechanics
- 6:04in Washington, the fundamental practical challenge
- 6:06remains exactly the same. Like, how do you regulate
- 6:09a piece of software that evolves faster than
- 6:12the legislative process can even draft a bill.
- 6:14Seriously, they're so slow. Right. If a formal
- 6:16oversight group is created and they actually
- 6:18implement mandatory pre -release testing, it
- 6:21represents a massive tectonic shift in how the
- 6:24tech industry operates. Yeah, for working tech
- 6:26professionals, this could mean significant delays
- 6:29in getting access to the cutting edge tools you
- 6:32rely on to do your job. Yep. But on the flip
- 6:34side, for families and everyday Internet users,
- 6:38it could theoretically create a much safer digital
- 6:41environment by keeping exploit generating AI
- 6:45completely out of the wild. I'm just trying to
- 6:47wrap my head around what this actually looks
- 6:49like in practice for a developer. Like if we
- 6:52start demanding that. software be rigorously
- 6:55tested and approved by a government body before
- 6:57it can be sold or downloaded? It changes everything.
- 7:00It feels like we're entering a totally new paradigm.
- 7:03Are we essentially entering an era where software
- 7:05requires clinical trials before the public can
- 7:08use it? Like is this going to be the FDA but
- 7:10for lines of code? It's a really interesting
- 7:13analogy but I'd argue it's actually much more
- 7:15complicated than the FDA. Oh really? How so?
- 7:18Well think about a pharmaceutical clinical trial.
- 7:20Before a company can sell a new heart medication,
- 7:23they have to prove it's safe and effective. It
- 7:25takes years and costs millions. But here's the
- 7:28key difference. A pill's chemical formula is
- 7:31static. It doesn't change once it leaves the
- 7:33factory. Software is incredibly dynamic. The
- 7:37entire tech industry has historically lived by
- 7:41the mantra of move fast and break things. Right.
- 7:43You release the software, let the users find
- 7:45the bugs, and you just patch it with an update
- 7:47over the weekend. Exactly. But you can't exactly
- 7:50push a quick weekend patch to fix a cyber attack
- 7:53that just took down a city's power grid. Yeah,
- 7:56that's a fair point. When the thing being broken
- 7:59is critical infrastructure, the beta testing
- 8:01mindset completely falls apart. Precisely. But
- 8:05returning to your FDA analogy, an AI model isn't
- 8:07just dynamic, it learns. You could have a government
- 8:10working group test a model on a Tuesday and certify
- 8:13that it's safe. But by Thursday, after interacting
- 8:16with a million users, That exact same model might
- 8:19have figured out a new, creative way to generate
- 8:21malicious code. Wow, so the test is instantly
- 8:23obsolete. Exactly. If this pre -release vetting
- 8:27becomes a reality, tech companies won't just
- 8:29have to build a clinical trial phase into their
- 8:32development lifecycle. They'll have to figure
- 8:34out how to prove that a learning machine won't
- 8:36suddenly unlearned at safety guardrails. That
- 8:39sounds incredibly difficult. It is. It would
- 8:41completely bottleneck the speed of innovation,
- 8:43which is why Silicon Valley is watching these
- 8:45White House discussions with so much anxiety.
- 8:48Well, so while the government is trying to figure
- 8:50out how to put a speed limit on the software
- 8:53side of AI, the tech giants might hit a wall
- 8:57anyway. Oh, they definitely are. Because ironically,
- 8:59the physical hardware required to actually run
- 9:01these massive models is completely buckling.
- 9:04Yes, the physical strain is immense and it's
- 9:07hitting the biggest company on earth right now.
- 9:09Apple. Apple. According to Bloomberg, Apple has
- 9:12been holding exploratory talks with both Intel
- 9:15and Samsung to potentially manufacture the core
- 9:18processors for Macs and iPhones right here in
- 9:21the United States. Really? Yeah. Apple executives
- 9:24have even visited a massive Samsung fabrication
- 9:26plant that's currently under construction in
- 9:29Taylor, Texas. Now, to understand why Apple flirting
- 9:32with other manufacturers is such a massive deal,
- 9:35we have to look at how they build their devices
- 9:37today. Right, because right now, they're heavily
- 9:40dependent. Almost entirely. Right now, Apple
- 9:43relies almost entirely on one single company
- 9:45for its most advanced chips. TSMC, the Taiwan
- 9:48Semiconductor Manufacturing Company. Apple desperately
- 9:52wants to diversify, and they're being pushed
- 9:54by two massive forces. Right, the first being
- 9:56the obvious geopolitical risk surrounding Taiwan.
- 9:59Exactly. But the second, and the one causing
- 10:02immediate operational pain today, is the AI -driven
- 10:04chip shortage. It is a supply chain traffic jam
- 10:07of historic proportions. Like, the entire tech
- 10:11industry is frantically building out massive
- 10:13AI data centers, and every single one of those
- 10:16servers needs advanced silicon. Didn't Nvidia's
- 10:19CEO just say something about this? Yeah, Jensen
- 10:21Huang recently mentioned that Nvidia has actually
- 10:24dethroned Apple as TSMC's number one customer.
- 10:26That is wild. It is. Because so much of the global
- 10:30manufacturing capacity is being eaten up by AI
- 10:33server chips, Apple is really feeling the squeeze
- 10:36on its consumer products. Just last week, Apple
- 10:39CEO Tim Cook admitted on an earnings call that
- 10:42they are facing major supply constraints specifically
- 10:45for the Mac Mini and the Mac Studio. And it is
- 10:48absolutely not a coincidence that those specific
- 10:50computers are the ones facing constraints. If
- 10:53you're a developer or a power user, the Mac Mini
- 10:56and the Mac Studio are the exact machines you
- 10:59buy to run local open source AI models right
- 11:02on your desk without having to pay for expensive
- 11:05cloud computing time. It's a massive localized
- 11:08AI boom. Yeah, and Cook basically admitted it
- 11:10could take several months just to balance out
- 11:12the supply and demand. So Apple is aggressively
- 11:14looking for backup foundries. And historically,
- 11:17you know, this is an entirely new territory for
- 11:19them. Right. They've partnered up before. Exactly.
- 11:22Yeah. From the very first iPhone all the way
- 11:25up to the iPhone 5S. Apple actually used Samsung
- 11:29chips. And of course, if you owned a Mac before
- 11:322023, you remember the Intel inside era before
- 11:36Apple transitioned to their own custom M series
- 11:39Silicon architecture. I remember my old Intel
- 11:41MacBook getting so hot it could cook an egg.
- 11:43Same. But the landscape has completely changed
- 11:46since then Apple designs the chicks themselves
- 11:49now But they still need someone to physically
- 11:51build them at a microscopic scale and TSMC is
- 11:54currently the undisputed king of that specific
- 11:57manufacturing process Okay, let's unpack this
- 11:59from your perspective the person listening who
- 12:01might just be walking into an Apple store to
- 12:02buy a new computer for work or school. If Apple
- 12:05successfully dual sources these chips, meaning
- 12:08some iPhones get a processor built by TSMC in
- 12:11Taiwan, and some get a processor built by Samsung
- 12:14or Intel in Texas, I have a major concern about
- 12:17component parity. I know exactly where you're
- 12:19going with this. We've seen this exact movie
- 12:21before in the tech world. Do you remember when
- 12:24Apple used both LG and Samsung to manufacture
- 12:27iPhone screens, and users immediately started
- 12:30noticing a distinct difference in color quality?
- 12:32Oh yeah, people were furious. Or over in the
- 12:35Android ecosystem, where phones with supposedly
- 12:38identical Snapdragon processors had wildly different
- 12:41battery lives entirely depending on if the chip
- 12:43was physically manufactured by TSMC or Samsung?
- 12:46Ah, yes. the infamous silicon lottery. It's a
- 12:49very real, very costly concern for hardware manufacturers.
- 12:54Right. So if this dual sourcing happens, are
- 12:56you going to have to start checking the ingredients
- 12:58label on the back of your new MacBook box to
- 13:00see if you got the good TSMC chip or the slightly
- 13:04less efficient backup Intel chip? To understand
- 13:07why that happens, you have to look at the mechanics
- 13:09of what TSMC actually does. They aren't just
- 13:12stamping out plastic toys. They are building
- 13:14advanced nodes. Which means what exactly? Basically,
- 13:17that means they are perfectly placing billions
- 13:20of microscopic transistors onto a tiny square
- 13:23of silicon. TSMC has spent decades perfecting
- 13:26what the industry calls yield and efficiency.
- 13:30Yield is just the percentage of chips on a raw
- 13:33silicon wafer that actually function perfectly.
- 13:35OK, so it's like baking a massive batch of cookies
- 13:37and seeing how many come out perfectly round
- 13:39versus like slightly burnt on the edges. Exactly.
- 13:43And TSMC burns very few cookies. If Intel or
- 13:46Samsung are brought in as backup manufacturers,
- 13:49they might be using a slightly different microscopic
- 13:51process technology to build the chip. Even with
- 13:54Apple's designs? Yep. Even if Apple hands them
- 13:57the exact same architectural blueprints for an
- 13:59M -series processor, the physical properties
- 14:01of how that resulting chip handles heat, or how
- 14:04efficiently it sips battery power, could vary.
- 14:07So your concern about an ingredients label is
- 14:10completely valid. Imagine you and your co -worker
- 14:12buy the exact same $2 ,000 laptop on the exact
- 14:15same day. But because yours has an Intel chip
- 14:18fabricated in Texas, and theirs has a TSMC chip
- 14:22from Taiwan, your laptop runs five degrees hotter
- 14:25and your battery dies two hours earlier every
- 14:29single afternoon. That is the ultimate Silicon
- 14:32Lottery nightmare. It really is. It's a massive
- 14:35quality control headache for a brand that has
- 14:38built its entire identity on perfection. It really
- 14:41just shows how desperate the supply chain situation
- 14:43has become. But here is where the ripple effect
- 14:46hits closest to home. Oh, yeah, this next part
- 14:48is big. The AI boom isn't just forcing the world's
- 14:51biggest company to completely rethink its physical
- 14:54hardware supply chain. It's forcing companies
- 14:56everywhere to radically rethink their human workforce.
- 15:00The hardware strain is ultimately leading to
- 15:02human redundancy. Yeah, this one is going to
- 15:04resonate with anyone working in the corporate
- 15:05world right now. Coinbase, one of the largest
- 15:08cryptocurrency exchanges globally, announced
- 15:10yesterday that they're laying off roughly 700
- 15:13employees. Wow. It's about 14 % of their entire
- 15:18global workforce. In an internal email that was
- 15:21shared publicly, Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong
- 15:24cited two main converging forces for these cuts.
- 15:30That was the first one. The current down market
- 15:32and the broader crypto cycle. But second, and
- 15:35far more notably for our deep dive today, he
- 15:38pointed to massive, undeniable productivity gains
- 15:41driven entirely by AI. The details of how they
- 15:44are restructuring the company post layoffs are
- 15:47fascinating. They're changing everything. Right.
- 15:49They aren't just cutting headcount to save a
- 15:51few million dollars. They are entirely redesigning
- 15:54what the corporate ladder looks like. Coinbase
- 15:56is aggressively flattening its organizational
- 15:58chart. Going forward, there will be a maximum
- 16:00of five layers of management between the lowest
- 16:02level entry employee and the CEO. That's incredibly
- 16:06flat for a company that size. And more importantly,
- 16:08they are completely eliminating cure management
- 16:11roles. From now on, every single manager has
- 16:14to be what they're calling a player coach. It
- 16:16really signals the death of the traditional middle
- 16:19manager whose only daily function is to oversee
- 16:22other people's work, you know, track deadlines
- 16:25and attend meetings. Right. If you want to lead
- 16:27a team at Coinbase now, you also have to be an
- 16:30active individual contributor. You have to write
- 16:33code, design products, or ship tangible features
- 16:36while simultaneously managing up to 15 direct
- 16:39reports. That sounds overwhelming. It does. To
- 16:42make this possible, they're focusing heavily
- 16:44on building what they call AI native pods. These
- 16:48are incredibly small, highly focused teams that
- 16:51heavily leverage AI tools to do the work that
- 16:54used to require a much larger group of humans.
- 16:56And didn't they mention one -person teams? Yes.
- 16:59They're even experimenting with one -person teams,
- 17:02where a single employee is responsible for engineering,
- 17:05design, and product management all at once. Let's
- 17:07stop and think about how a one -person team actually
- 17:10functions. Like, if I'm that single employee,
- 17:12I might have a great idea for a product, but...
- 17:14Maybe I don't know how to code the backend database.
- 17:17Like you'd be stuck. In the past, my project
- 17:19would just stall until I could hire a database
- 17:21engineer. Now, I just prompt an AI coding agent
- 17:24to write the database structure for me. The AI
- 17:27fills in the gaps in my skill set. Exactly. Armstrong's
- 17:30email really spelled this out. He wrote, over
- 17:32the past year, I've watched engineers use AI
- 17:35to ship in days what used to take a team weeks.
- 17:38Non -technical teams are now shipping production
- 17:41code, and many of our workflows are being automated.
- 17:44And to put this Coinbase restructuring into a
- 17:47broader macroeconomic context, this isn't just
- 17:50one crypto company using AI as an excuse to make
- 17:53budget cuts. No, it's an industry -wide trend.
- 17:56Goldman Sachs economists recently released an
- 17:59estimate that AI substitution is currently erasing
- 18:01roughly 25 ,000 US jobs every single month. That
- 18:04number is staggering. It is. And while the AI
- 18:07boom is certainly creating new jobs, you know,
- 18:10data specialists, prompt engineers, it's only
- 18:12adding back about 9 ,000 jobs a month. Mathematically,
- 18:15that is a net loss of 16 ,000 positions monthly
- 18:18across the economy. We've seen similar AI -driven
- 18:20restructuring and layoffs recently at Meta, Microsoft,
- 18:24and Jack Dorsey's company, Block. I have to admit,
- 18:27hearing those numbers is a little terrifying.
- 18:29It feels like we're watching the Industrial Revolution
- 18:31happen in real time, but entirely for white -collar
- 18:35office work. That's a really good way to put
- 18:36it. Right. If one single person can now act as
- 18:40an entire department, doing the coding, the graphic
- 18:43design, and the project management before lunch
- 18:45just by prompting AI tools, Are you and I gonna
- 18:49have to act more like solopreneurs to survive
- 18:53in the modern corporate workforce? It sounds
- 18:55exhausting. Yeah, doing everything yourself.
- 18:57Exactly! You'd have to be your own HR department,
- 19:00your own designer, your own quality assurance
- 19:02tester. Well, I wouldn't necessarily say you
- 19:04have to become a literal solopreneur, where you
- 19:07work entirely alone, but you absolutely have
- 19:10to become the manager of your own output. Okay,
- 19:12what do you mean by that? The traditional corporate
- 19:14mindset for the last 50 years. was based on deep
- 19:18narrow specialization. It was an assembly line.
- 19:22You were the database engineer or you were the
- 19:24UX designer and you did your specific task and
- 19:27then you handed your work off to the next specialist
- 19:29down the hall. Yep, the classic handoff. But
- 19:31AI destroys the necessity of that assembly line
- 19:34because it gives everyone instant access to baseline
- 19:37competency in every single field. Right. If you're
- 19:39a graphic designer, an AI agent can write the
- 19:42backend code to make your design functional.
- 19:44Exactly. So to survive this shift, you can't
- 19:48just be a cog in the machine waiting for instructions
- 19:50anymore. You have to understand the entire lifecycle
- 19:53of a product from conception to deployment. You
- 19:57essentially have to see the big picture. Yeah.
- 19:59You bring your core expertise to the table, but
- 20:01you use AI to flawlessly execute the parts you
- 20:05aren't an expert in. It makes sense. But it's
- 20:07still a tough pill to swallow for the people
- 20:09losing their jobs right now. Definitely. For
- 20:11what it's worth, Coinbase is offering a very
- 20:13significant severance package to the people they
- 20:15let go. Oh, they are? Yeah. U .S. employees are
- 20:18receiving a minimum of 16 weeks of base pay,
- 20:21plus two additional weeks for every year of service,
- 20:24their next equity vest, and six months of health
- 20:27care coverage. OK, that gives them a fairly soft
- 20:29landing. It does. But the harsh reality is...
- 20:32They are stepping out into a job market that
- 20:35is fundamentally changing the definition of what
- 20:37an employee actually is. Before we wrap up, a
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- 20:50off at oldglory .com. So if we step back and
- 20:53connect the dots on everything we've unpacked
- 20:55today, the narrative thread is pretty undeniable.
- 20:58Yeah, AI is at the center of it all. Artificial
- 21:00intelligence is no longer just a cool tool or
- 21:02a futuristic concept you read about. It's the
- 21:05physical, structural, and economic force reshaping
- 21:08your reality right now. Absolutely. It's sparking
- 21:10the highest levels of government to completely
- 21:12reconsider how we ensure public safety against
- 21:15dynamic learning software threats. It's causing
- 21:18a historic bottleneck in global chip manufacturing,
- 21:21forcing an absolute giant like Apple to rethink
- 21:24decades of microscopic supply chain strategy.
- 21:26And of course the jobs. Right. It's completely
- 21:29altering the definition of what it means to be
- 21:30an employee, collapsing entire corporate departments
- 21:33into single, highly empowered individuals. It
- 21:36really leaves you wondering about the next generation.
- 21:39Like, as AI models become increasingly capable
- 21:42of doing the heavy lifting of an entire team,
- 21:45will the future of education and job training
- 21:47need to completely shift? It almost has to, right?
- 21:50Yeah. Instead of spending four years in college
- 21:52learning a specific technical skill, like...
- 21:55how to write a specific coding language, will
- 21:58we need to be trained purely on how to be effective
- 22:00managers of artificial intelligence? That's a
- 22:03wild thought. It's a completely different way
- 22:05of looking at human potential, and it's a reality
- 22:07we're going to have to face much sooner than
- 22:09we originally thought. We're here to help at
- 22:11SNARFL, so reach out on our website if you have
- 22:13any more questions. That's a wrap on today's
- 22:19top stories. Remember, tech doesn't have to be
- 22:22complicated, and we're here to help connect the
- 22:24dots. If you've got questions or want to learn
- 22:27more, visit us at snarful .com. Thanks for listening,
- 22:31and we'll catch you next time.