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E242: Grit, Grace, and God's Guidance: Navigating Entrepreneurship and Motherhood w/Sarah Gabel Seifert | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  God spoke to me in a dream. God was breaking my heart for
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  what breaks His and it was very intense, but.
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  You're like, we're going to be the best diaper company in the
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  world. We're going to build something
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  as good or better than Yelp or Amazon.
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  Did you ever have any inkling of that?
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  Like a little premonition from God that I would be a
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  businesswoman and my husband and I would be entrepreneurs.
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  We have one life, this is it. Let's leave the legacy that we
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  want to leave behind us. Culture likes to save.
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  Kids are just going to set you back and they're going to steal
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  your dreams. My story's the complete
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  opposite. My child literally made me dream
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  so big so I could create something for her.
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  That one was good for her body, that.
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  Celebrated at age 21, she found herself crying on the floor of
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  her dorm room bathroom wondering who am I and who is God?
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  Her wholehearted surrender to Jesus Christ would lead to
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  marriage, motherhood, a new call to fight for life, and the
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  building of several successful businesses.
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  Welcome back to the Lila Roe show.
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  Today I sit down with Sarah Gable who dramatically gave her
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  life to Jesus Christ in college, which changed everything for
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  her. Sarah Gable is a mother, a wife
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  and entrepreneur, and the founder of some companies that
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  we love here in the show including Every Life and Public
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  Square. In this conversation, we
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  discussed spiritual entrepreneurship.
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  We discussed the ups and downs of starting something big with a
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  big vision but not a lot of resources, motherhood, as well
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  as being involved in business, marriage, and ultimately
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  following God's call for our lives.
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  Thank you so much to everyone who has been listening to the
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  show. We are continuing to grow by
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  leaps and bounds because of you. We just hit over 3 150,000 Subs
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  that also helps the show reach more people.
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  And if you're here on YouTube, make sure that you like this
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  video and subscribe. Sarah Gable, welcome to the
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  podcast. Thank you so much for having me.
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  I love talking to you, so I'm excited to share you with the
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  audience here. I'm very impressed by your
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  family. First of all, what you guys have
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  built. You're both very early 30s,
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  hardly 30 and in your 20s. You've built a tremendously
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  impactful company, multiple businesses that are, I think
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  leading in the conservative space, Public Square, every
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  life, diapers, we love every life on the show.
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  My kids and my family uses it. But I think the story behind
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  what you guys have built is so beautiful and your story.
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  So this is going to inspire you guys listening, OK?
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  Especially if you're an aspiring entrepreneur, if you're a mom,
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  if you want to be a mom one day and you're also feeling called
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  the business. Sarah, thank you.
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  Thank you. I really appreciate it and it
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  has been an incredible journey. And honestly, I go back to when
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  I first came to know Christ in my heart and I accepted him as
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  my Lord and Savior and went all in.
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  And that was really in my early 20s before I had met Michael.
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  And once I made that commitment to him, it was like my whole
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  world turned around for the good.
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  And I, I actually remember saying it felt like I was seeing
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  colors for the first time. Everything was brighter.
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  I had more vision as I started to walk with God intimately and
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  give them all of my desires and hopes and dreams.
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  And it was in that season that God started to actually show me.
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  And I remember him saying, get ready to pack your bags because
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  we're going to go on a ride together.
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  And I got so excited for that. In my head, I was picturing
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  missionary work or traveling the world and just spending time
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  with God intimately. And I had no idea at that time,
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  when I was 21 years old, what was ahead.
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  And I was about to meet my husband, Michael, and we were
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  going to get married at a very young age.
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  And go on this journey that looked very different than what
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  I ever would have imagined, but I wouldn't have it any other
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  way. It's been a grand adventure.
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  And I know we'll get into all of that as we keep talking, but it
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  was a pivotal time that I'm so thankful God prepared my heart
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  for. Because if you wouldn't have
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  told me that at that time, it would have been a little more
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  intimidating stepping into all of the things that He has called
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  us to. And to be honest, it's just been
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  out of divine obedience that we have said yes to all that He has
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  called us into. And I'm so humbled, honestly,
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  Lila, that I even get to do what I do every day.
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  I counted as a privilege and a blessing.
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  And every day I look to God and say, you know, if you have
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  anything else for me, I always want to be listening and
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  available to turn because we should.
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  We all need to be in that place of surrender every day.
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  But I get this deep settled confidence every time I wake up
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  and I look to him and I just we keep walking and we just keep
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  saying yes. And he's opened up door after
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  door and closed many doors too. But all of it has been to say
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  yes to him and for his glory. So I'm so honored to be here.
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  You're a really big part of my journey as well, of how I even
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  got into the pro-life movement. And it's been, like I said, an
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  adventure that I wouldn't change for the world.
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  I love you bringing it back to that moment where you gave your
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  life to Christ and it was total surrender.
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  It sounds like you're like God. Whatever you want, here I am.
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  And I think we can do that every day, like no matter where you're
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  at in your faith journey, even if you feel you have no faith,
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  you can start today, say, Jesus, I trust in you, here I am, your
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  will be done to totally give your life to God and he will
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  take us on an adventure. So what you're saying resonates
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  so deeply with me because it's been my experience of just when
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  you say yes to God, what he can do, and it doesn't mean it's
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  easy, but it means it's incredible.
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  It's just this incredible journey.
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  So there's a lot I want to get into the journey and, and, and
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  the UPS and the downs of it. But I have a question.
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  Before you said yes to Jesus and that totally changed your life.
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  You would meet your husband, you would get married and now build
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  and be on this crazy journey. I, I, we're going to talk about
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  that journey. But what was Sarah like before,
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  you know, BC before Jesus, before Christ?
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  And how is she different today? So growing up, I was raised in
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  Birmingham, AL, and if you're familiar with the the South,
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  there's a church on every corner.
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  So I went to church with my family and I had great,
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  incredible, strong, faithful parents and two siblings.
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  And honestly, my life was very blessed.
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  I didn't have a ton of hardships, but internally, for
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  the longest time, I just didn't know who I was.
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  I didn't know who I wanted to be.
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  And I cared very deeply about what others thought of me.
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  And so performance was something I really struggled, struggled
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  with. I felt I needed to prove myself
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  in any room that I was in to earn love and acceptance from
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  those around me. And that led me into not making
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  always the best decisions. And I, I definitely live the
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  life. If you actually look at, I love
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  the book of James, there's a verse in there about how you can
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  look at yourself in the mirror and you see one face and then
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  you walk away and you totally forget what you look like.
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  And I felt like that was my life.
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  I'd wake up every day, I'd look at myself in the mirror, I'd
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  walk away and then say, who am I going to be today?
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  Am I going to be the fun preppy girl?
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  Am I going to be the one that's a little more cool and chill?
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  Am I going to go to the party? Or am I going to say no and and
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  try to do the right Christian thing?
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  And I couldn't quite figure it out.
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  I couldn't ground my feet into a core belief system that I could
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  live by and have a strong yes and have a strong no.
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  And I struggled with that for years and years and years.
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  And before I met Christ, I had this moment in college.
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  And this really was my, my, my moment, my coming to Jesus
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  moment where again, I was faced with looking at myself in the
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  mirror and I had had a long night of going out and having
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  too much to drink and again, not making the best decisions and
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  getting in the wrong crowd. And I just remember looking at
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  myself and thinking, this is not who I want to be.
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  This is not who I know I can be. And this isn't the woman that I
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  know God wants me to to be. And I remember getting on the
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  floor literally in my bathroom in college and just crying out
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  to God and just saying God, I know you're real.
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  I know you're there. I have a lot of head knowledge
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  about you. I've opened your word.
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  I know Scripture is truth. I've been to church.
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  I know what worship is. I know the songs.
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  But there's 18 inches from your head to your heart.
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  And it had never really hit my heart until that moment or I
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  said, I'm not just going to believe.
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  It's not just going to be something that I know in my
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  brain, but I really want it to resonate in my heart and be so
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  real to me that I can walk in freedom with God.
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  That when I repent, that when I give my whole life over to him,
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  he truly does wash us clean, white as snow.
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  And He gives us a new start. And that's what's so amazing
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  about walking with Jesus as you get this opportunity to start
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  fresh and be renewed. And I got to do that with him
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  sitting in my bathroom in college.
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  And my whole life turned around. I changed my friend group.
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  I broke up with the guy I was dating at the time.
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  And I've always been one that's a little bit more black and
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  white. I am either all in or kind of
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  all out. That's been my personality most
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  of my life, even when I was struggling with my identity and
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  who I was. And so I went all in and I
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  became the the person that I knew was inside of me.
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  I just was burying it so deep and I'm so grateful that God met
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  me in that moment and I had this turning and I've never looked
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  back. What a blessing and and and it's
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  so beautiful because it's you were raised in a Christian
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  family. So you had met Jesus in the
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  sense that I'm going to guess your family shared about the
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  Gospel with you. Jesus.
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  You understood it sounds like the Bible.
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  There was head knowledge, but that wasn't a personal radical
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  commitment in the depths of your soul.
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  Say yes to God, whatever he has for me.
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  And it was also the world, right, The temptations of the
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  world, which it's there for all of us.
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  It looks different for each person, but for a lot of young
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  women, especially in college, it's like, OK, do you live this
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  party life? Do you go out?
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  Do you do things with boyfriends or mess around?
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  Like what does that look like? Or are you going to be clean?
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  Are you going to say, no, I want to reject the waves of the
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  world. I want to walk with God.
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  And that is a a black and white thing.
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  It is, which is hard because the world is saying like it's not a
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  big deal. Just have fun, do these things.
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  So but it was you're, you're willing to say, I want to follow
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  you And then your radical posture of your heart.
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  I just want to be open to what God is going to do in my life,
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  whatever that is. OK, So you, well how did you
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  meet Michael, your business partner, which I love that your
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  husband's your business partner. So once I had this moment in my
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  bathroom all alone in college, I started to look, I was ending my
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  freshman year and I was approaching the summer.
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  I was studying Economics and Business and real estate and
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  wanted to have this grand internship, right, that would
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  help me move forward towards the career that I had set for
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  myself. And all of a sudden I, I, I
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  remember God reminding me of this camp that I went to with my
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  dad when I was 15 years old. It's called JH Ranch.
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  It's in the middle of nowhere, California, in a town called
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  Aetna. And it's the most beautiful
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  place, not only from just the scenic views, but the heart of
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  the ministry is all about the restoration of the family unit.
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  So they have parents and teens, husbands and wives, newly
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  engaged couples, student leadership programs where they
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  all come out in the mountains. There's no cell service.
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  So you're free from distractions.
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  And the purpose is to get your relationship right with your
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  Heavenly Father and then work on your relationships on earth and
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  strengthen those so you leave feeling like you have the
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  connections that we really need in life.
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  And I had such an incredible time there with my dad.
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  It was phenomenal. And I just remember the the
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  conversations we had, we talked about purity.
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  We talked about our purpose and how a life not evaluated is a
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  life not worth living. Socrates actually coined that.
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  And it's so true. And I just started to recall
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  these lessons that did hold true to my heart and stick.
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  And I said, I want to go back to that place.
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  And even if it means just serving my time out there as a
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  college student and giving back to the ministry that had so
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  blessed me and my family, I want to do it.
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  So I went, I applied and I got accepted, praise God.
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  And I got to spend a whole summer out at JH Ranch just
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  serving and loving on the parents and teens that were out
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  there. And it was phenomenal.
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  And I met Michael out there and we were best friends.
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  Actually. It was really a wonderful way to
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  start a relationship because we were in ministry together and we
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  were watching parents and teens get healed and relationships, we
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  were stored. So we were just seeing miracles
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  happen all around us. And it was a beautiful summer.
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  And I actually remember telling him I, I really looked up to
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  him. He's, he's a year younger than
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  me, but he was so mature and so different than any man I had
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  ever met. And I just remember telling him,
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  Michael, whoever you marry one day is going to be the luckiest
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  girl in the world. I told him that that's so cute.
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  And I have really, truly, I meant it with all of my heart
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  because I saw him again, more as like a mentor and kind of a
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  leader because he had been walking with God a little bit
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  longer and just had so much depth and so much knowledge that
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  I just wanted to pull from every chance I could get.
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  And then a year later, God changed.
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  They say at JH Ranch, they actually call it just hitched
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  ranch as a, as a joke, because a lot, a lot of college students
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  who all love the Lord and are passionate are coming together
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  in a very beautiful place, kind of a little bubble.
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  And a lot of marriages actually do come out of JH Ranch.
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  And they say you can fall in like there, but you can't fall
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  in love. And so we kind of fell in like
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  with each other. And then afterwards we got to
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  know each other outside of the bubble and that wonderful
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  environment and we fell in love and it was pretty quick.
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  We got married at 22 and 21. Beautiful.
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  Did you have a sense when you met him?
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  This is some I mean, you're talking about him being a woman
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  being blessed who would marry him.
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  I'm sure it crossed your mind, like he'd make it great.
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  Absolutely. OK, so you were absolutely.
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  You were just trying to respect the JH rules of like we don't
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  date during the summer. And I think I was a little he,
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  he intimidated me a little bit because I like I mentioned, I'd
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  never met anybody that was so full of faith and so full of
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  conviction. And he was just different.
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  And I remember being a little afraid of what it would look
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  like to be in a relationship with someone like that because I
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  had kind of been more of the leader in the relationships
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  previously that I had been in. And I knew that he was different
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  and it would look very different.
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  And we had such a beautiful friendship that I didn't want to
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  harm that relationship either. But I remember feeling a shift
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  in our relationship one of the summers we were out there.
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  And I knew that he, he had changed his, his views on me
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  just being a friend. And I started to notice and I
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  just went to God one morning and prayed and said, God, if this is
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  you and if this is the relationship you want me to step
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  into, then I'm just going to trust you with it.
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  And it's, it's a little scary, it's a little uncomfortable.
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  I'm young. This isn't what I thought my
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  life would look like at this stage, but I'm going to just
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  walk with you. And I remember after I prayed
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  that surrender prayer, I saw him that morning and my heart like
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  sunk and I got nervous and I had butterflies.
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  Like I felt like a little girl in middle school.
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  And I remember thinking God just tore the veil.
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  It's like I was seeing him for the first time.
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  So it was a really divine story of God just making it very
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  known. He was the person that I was
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  going to spend the I knew in that moment he was going to be
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  the person I'd spend the rest of my life with.
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  So all right, I have to ask. I know he's not here to tell his
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  side of the story, but do you know what his experience was?
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  Was he also having a sense of God saying Sarah is for you?
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  He was. And it happened.
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  You're so lovely, Sarah. I'm sure he's like so sweet and
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  she's telling me I'd make a good husband.
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  I'm like for you, Sarah, but I'm not allowed to say that yet.
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  Yeah, I do think that it happened for him a few months
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  prior and he knew that God absolutely spoke to him and kind
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  of the same experience. Like I walked out and he just
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  kind of saw me differently and but it just happened for him at
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  a earlier stage, but I was pretty quickly after that.
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  Was his prayer or was your prayer intentionally?
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  God, give me the eyes to see the person you have planned for me.
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  Yeah, my whole life, and I know my parents, that was their
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  prayer too. So even go back to just the
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  power of prayer, the generational prayers, right,
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  that are so powerful, and then they all come to life in one
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  moment and you just see God's hand every step of the way.
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  And we actually were in multiple environments leading up to Jay
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  Tranche that summer where we could have met each other.
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  He actually went to Jay Tranche at 15 as well with his dad, but
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  I never met him at that program. He went to the University of
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  Alabama where I graduated, and we were in the same kind of
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  friend group. We never met each other, but it
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  was God's perfect timing and I'm so grateful for that because it
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  was the right time for us to meet and he was going to be the
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  person that I got to go on this grand adventure with.
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  And like I said, it wasn't what I envisioned for my life.
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  I kind of had a little bit Lila of the buying the lie at an
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  early age of career. First, go make yourself known
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  and be able to supply for yourself financially.
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  And I thought I would get married when I was 30.
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  I mean, that's kind of how I pictured my life.
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  So when I say that drastic turning of you asked who I was
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  before Jesus and who I was after, I mean, my friends didn't
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  even recognize me because I just was talking different and I was
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  seeing life different. And now I had this man in my
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  life that I was ready to marry. And they're like, wait, you were
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  saying you wanted to get married when you're 30 and now you're
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  you're 21 and ready to jump into that this in this early stage of
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  your life. And I just said, yeah, I just
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  knew. And like I said, I'm so
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  thankful. I'm so thankful that God turned
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  my heart because I think that getting married young and I know
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  everyone's story is so different, but I will say look
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  back and I would wish that for anybody to be able to do life in
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  companionship with your best friend, going through the first
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  ever apartment purchase together in LA and navigating what jobs
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  we're going to, you know, pursue and just praying together as
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  best friends and a couple. Man, I that was some of the best
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  times of our relationship was right after we got married and
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  we were just trying to figure it out together.
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  So glad Sarah is about to deliver this beautiful baby in a
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  Oh, we, we, we reject modern feminism.
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  Of course, modern feminism is about abortion, gender ideology,
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  all of these things. But what is the core of what God
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  in a worldly sense, in a good way, because I think there's
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  stay in the Christian bubble. And we are sometimes afraid of
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  building things that can compete, you know, with the
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  world and be basically the new institutions in the world.
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  And I think that's been very much the mission I've seen is
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  like you're unapologetic about your values and your mission,
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  the world. We're going to build, you know,
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  know, variations of the two and, and the other initiatives you
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  I mean, that's it. It's big thinking, right, which
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  I love, but it's grounded in the foundations of faith and truth.
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  So anyways, lots of, lots of places to go, but let's go back
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  to the early years because you were on this new mission,
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  mission. You have this husband.
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  You weren't expecting to do this, but God's just doing this
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  amazing thing in your life. What was preparing you at that
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  time mindset wise and heart wise for the road that God was going
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  to lead you on with building these businesses and having the
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  influence you, you all have had both in politics and culture.
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  What What were the early lessons that you learned and the
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  formation that you received? Yeah, and we started like I
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  mentioned in LA and we got to be a part of church planting.
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  And I actually think that was a beautiful way to start.
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  Anybody who is wondering what should I do right out of college
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  and and maybe they're lost. I think serving your local
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  church is one of the best places to dive in, to grow in your
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  relationship obviously with the Lord, but see God work in the
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  church. And that was a really humbling
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  and beautiful growing season. And actually the church that we
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  worked for in Lai thought we were going there to minister to
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  the non believers and Manhattan Beach where we were kind of
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  located. The year was that.
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  This was this was in 20/17/2018. So in that area most are non
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  believers. I think it's 8 and 10.
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  Most are are not following Christ.
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  And that was what we thought our time was going to be, you know,
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  spent doing is is helping the community around us.
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  But we learned really quickly that it was actually the church
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  that we were meant to minister to because we just had some
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  different belief systems and ways of of seeing things.
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  And that was a really beautiful time for us to even dig deeper
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  as a couple and say, well, God, who do we know you to be and
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  what does your Scripture say? So I remember there was multiple
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  nights of us just opening up God's word and just reading his
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  Scripture and saying, OK, this is this is what he says and this
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  is how we see it. And let's just pray for God to
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  continuously reveal his ways and his workings, especially when
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  we're with other believers that might not see it the same way.
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  It was very, it was a very interesting time and I'm so
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  thankful for it because it tested my faith and it made me
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  actually get uncomfortable and have some hard conversations
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  about what I know is true and hear other sides and just have
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  some really good healthy debates.
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  And I think we're also missing that in society today, too, is
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  just good dialogue and hearing both sides of the aisle and
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  learning how to have productive conversations.
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  So that was a really big lesson learned was just rooting myself
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  in my faith and doing that alongside my husband.
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  I also think that in that time, you know, we became one.
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  They God says, you know, become fruitful and multiply and to to
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  get married and become one. And I was young and I was used
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  to being under my my father's covering and I had a very
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  beautiful relationship and close relationship with my dad.
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  But I had to learn what it looked like to now have another
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  man in life that I leaned on that was my the leader in the
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  household and what it looked like to serve him and to love
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  him and to listen to him and be led by him and, and that was
• 25:40
  beautiful. So I look back and all of these
• 25:42
  lessons that really were foundational, that allowed us to
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  be able to be in a place to hear from God to get a different
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  direction. We weren't thinking that
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  politics and culture in the pro-life movement in our early
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  20s was going to be the direction we went.
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  We were again planting churches. It was in the non profit sector
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  for a very long time. And it was 2019 that there was a
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  really big change for for me personally and honestly my
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  husband too, it kind of all collided at the same time.
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  His passions started to shift and change a little bit and and
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  mine too. And God spoke to me in a dream
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  in the night, which I can share about.
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  But we'd love to hear. It, it was a very, I can
• 26:23
  remember it like it was yesterday, but I, it was early
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  in the year in January and we were living in our tiny little
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  spot and I, I woke up in tears. I was, I was almost panicking
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  because it felt so real. But inside of this dream that I
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  was having in the night, I was seeing this war happening
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  outside and it was very vivid. And I remember thinking, OK, I
• 26:46
  need to go get help because this is getting out of control and
• 26:50
  there's got to be somebody that can help bring some peace here.
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  So I ran into what I thought looked like a big factory
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  building. And I went down to the bottom
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  floor and everybody was sitting there just drinking their their
• 27:03
  drinks and watching the news and laughing.
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  And while this war is taking place outside.
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  And I'm panicking thinking, guys, we need to snap out of
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  this. We need to go figure out a plan
• 27:13
  so we can stop what's happening. And I remember there is this
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  little boy who tugged on my dress and he couldn't talk yet,
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  but he pointed to go upstairs of this factory building.
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  And so I walked with him and we went upstairs.
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  All the sudden everything turned into large glass windows and I
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  could see in, but there was no door.
• 27:35
  So I couldn't get inside. But I couldn't figure out at
• 27:38
  first what was happening. There was, it was very sterile,
• 27:41
  fluorescent lights. So it was just not a welcoming
• 27:44
  place. And there was a bunch of people
• 27:46
  in white coats that I then learned were doctors and women
• 27:50
  just laying on the table to have procedures done.
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  And again, couldn't quite figure out what was happening to then
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  see lining all the ways down. And again, the room almost
• 28:03
  opened up for miles and it was just empty cribs.
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  And I was thinking, that's odd. Like, why are all these cribs
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  here but there's no babies in it?
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  And then I started to realize that all of these doctors were
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  performing abortions on these women and they were almost like
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  robots, very robotic. There was no one was talking to
• 28:22
  each other, so there was no dialogue.
• 28:23
  They were just laying on the table doing the procedure,
• 28:26
  getting up and leaving. But you can see the heartbreak
• 28:30
  and just the the darkness that hovered over this bright room.
• 28:35
  And the little boy, I'll never forget.
• 28:37
  He looked at me and I, he didn't say it, but it was almost like
• 28:40
  he was saying, what are you going to do?
• 28:42
  Like, how you going to get in there and help these moms and
• 28:45
  these babies live? And I started hitting on the
• 28:48
  glass as hard as I could to break in and I couldn't get in.
• 28:51
  And that's when I woke up and I was sweating and like I said,
• 28:55
  crying. And I turned to my husband.
• 28:56
  I'm like, Michael, you've got to tell you about this dream I just
• 28:59
  had. The craziest part is as soon as
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  I was finished explaining what had just happened in my dream,
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  he opened up his phone. And you know how whatever you
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  were looking at the night before, sometimes it'll just pop
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  back up. He was on Facebook and this
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  article came up right away on Facebook and it said urgent
• 29:18
  prophetic dream, save my babies or let my babies go.
• 29:23
  And he clicked on it and he started reading this article.
• 29:26
  And there was a pastor named Jeremiah Johnson back in 2016
• 29:31
  after Obama was elected, who had the exact, almost the exact same
• 29:35
  dream that I had. And it was all about God opening
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  up his eyes to the reality of abortion and the fact that this
• 29:43
  is just on God's heart and he's turning and he's awakening his
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  his people to see the fact this is the silent killer that
• 29:51
  there's thousands of kids every day in America.
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  As you know, you, you preach it all the time that are not living
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  because of this atrocity. And I thought, God, you are
• 30:03
  speaking to me. And it's very clear.
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  I also had just gone through a season in 2018 where I was
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  actually praying for God to speak to me in the night.
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  If you actually read in Psalms David, there's a verse where he
• 30:15
  says, even when I wake God, I still want to hear from you.
• 30:19
  Something along those lines. And it got me thinking, OK,
• 30:22
  that's interesting. That means that when David is
• 30:25
  sleeping, he he's, he's yearning to hear from God and that and
• 30:30
  when he wakes, he still wants to be able to hear from God.
• 30:33
  So God is speaking to him in his sleep.
• 30:35
  And I just remember that standing out to me and I was
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  like, I'm going to pray like David and just pray God will
• 30:40
  start speaking to me in the night, 8 hours sometimes of of
• 30:44
  sleep. Why not?
• 30:44
  Wouldn't it be great to hear from you in those those hours?
• 30:48
  So that was an answered prayer too, that I went through months
• 30:51
  and months of praying for that specifically.
• 30:53
  And then he gave me this dream, and I knew in that moment, Lila,
• 30:56
  that the rest of my life had to be doing something to fight for
• 31:02
  God's children. I mean, there was nothing in me.
• 31:05
  It's like God just lit a fire in me that could not burn out.
• 31:10
  And I spent an entire year in prayer.
• 31:12
  That's all, because I didn't know where to turn.
• 31:15
  I didn't know what it meant. Abortion was not on my mind.
• 31:18
  I didn't have the education. I didn't have the awareness.
• 31:20
  I had so much to learn, so much to learn about it.
• 31:24
  But I knew how to pray. And so I would just pray on my
• 31:27
  knees. Sometimes I couldn't sleep at
• 31:28
  night because it would just God was breaking my heart for what
• 31:32
  breaks his and it was very intense.
• 31:35
  But it was a beautiful year of me just asking God to save these
• 31:39
  babies I didn't even know and to help these moms and to feel
• 31:42
  connected to these women that I again, don't even know.
• 31:45
  But He was doing something and that led me into getting into
• 31:49
  the pro-life movement and live action.
• 31:51
  And your voice and your influence was so key and helping
• 31:55
  me understand where to get started and how to learn.
• 31:59
  And I'm so thankful for that year of prayer because I know
• 32:05
  that was pivotal for just where I am.
• 32:08
  Even now I look back on it often.
• 32:12
  It gives me chills listening to you, Sarah, and it also gives me
• 32:15
  so much encouragement. I was in LA in 2019.
• 32:19
  My husband and I were in newlyweds.
• 32:20
  And I think one prayer I've had, and it reminds me to pray more
• 32:24
  for this and we can pray for this together, is that more
• 32:27
  people's hearts are broken for these children that are
• 32:30
  voiceless and and for the mothers and the families, but
• 32:33
  the babies that have no voice and like God, God's gift to you
• 32:38
  in breaking your heart through a dream.
• 32:40
  And you were open to him already.
• 32:41
  You were saying God, whatever you want, which is so beautiful,
• 32:43
  a beautiful posture, but God will do the work in the probably
• 32:47
  movement, even when we don't know exactly how to solve this
• 32:50
  is huge. It's sometimes seemingly
• 32:52
  insurmountable crisis, right? That is abortion in this country
• 32:56
  and globally. And so I love it reminds me and
• 32:59
  I want to ask people listening to pray, pray that our hearts
• 33:02
  can be broken as God wants them to break so that we can get
• 33:06
  involved to get in the fight and also pray for other hearts and
• 33:09
  that God can use a dream. I mean, God can do anything.
• 33:12
  And how beautiful that he spoke to you this way and then that
• 33:15
  you responded. So I know you worked at a
• 33:17
  pregnancy center. And I also obviously want to get
• 33:21
  into the founding of public store in every life.
• 33:23
  So, and also thank you for, I know you said this earlier, but
• 33:26
  thank you for listening to the show in 2019.
• 33:29
  I was your, I was your first listener.
• 33:30
  Thank you 100%. Like you said, maybe me and your
• 33:33
  mom. I was so thrilled after looking
• 33:36
  at your website and just gaining all the knowledge that I got
• 33:40
  from that alone. And then when you launch your
• 33:42
  podcast and it's funny, I was like, I wonder if she would ever
• 33:45
  do that because she has so much information.
• 33:48
  And I would love to be able to gain more insights from your
• 33:53
  experience and your voice. And so I was truly your biggest
• 33:57
  fan in the mountains of California.
• 33:59
  And Aetna, I was over there walking around listening to your
• 34:03
  podcast on repeat, just learning and growing.
• 34:06
  And I'm so thankful that you said yes to that because I don't
• 34:12
  know what that journey was like for you.
• 34:14
  I'm sure that was a whole stepping out in faith and trying
• 34:17
  something new and came with all kinds of experiences.
• 34:20
  But I'm so thankful you said yes to that because I I really don't
• 34:25
  know where I would have gone if I didn't have the resource of
• 34:28
  live action in your podcast in that 2019 time.
• 34:33
  I mean, that gives me so much encouragement because we were
• 34:36
  filming, I was filming that podcast.
• 34:37
  It was with before video, it was just audio with this Yeti mic in
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  my closet. I love it.
• 34:42
  And during the pandemic and it was only like 20 episodes and
• 34:45
  then we took a break and then we went back.
• 34:47
  We got back into it. Now we're doing it like the real
• 34:49
  show, the big show. But before it was just this, but
• 34:52
  it was obedience. It was, it was just this burning
• 34:54
  thing of like the Lord, just like give it a give it a shot.
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  I know you have all these things about fears, concerns,
• 35:00
  questions. Just get out there and do it.
• 35:03
  Get out there and try and God just does.
• 35:06
  God can do so much with our willingness to just try, even
• 35:09
  though we are so limited and imperfect and finite.
• 35:12
  God can do anything with that. Yes.
• 35:14
  So, so then what? What was it like to get into
• 35:19
  pro-life work? And then how did that lead to
• 35:21
  public square every life and everything you're doing today?
• 35:24
  So like I mentioned, I went through that time of very
• 35:26
  intimate prayer and I knew that was my first step.
• 35:28
  And I actually had a lot of peace just learning right and
• 35:32
  understanding the issue of abortion and trying to become
• 35:36
  almost an expert on the topic as as much as I could.
• 35:38
  I knew that's where I needed to start.
• 35:41
  And then I moved into activation because normally when God
• 35:45
  reveals something this way, I would say this to anybody.
• 35:49
  There's a reason he's pointing something out, whether it be a
• 35:52
  frustration or something as vivid as my dream.
• 35:57
  There's a reason he's highlighting it to you and, and
• 36:00
  sometimes it means starting with prayer, but it normally results
• 36:04
  in activation and being a part of the solution.
• 36:09
  There was a reason God was showing this to me because it
• 36:12
  wasn't just meant for me to keep in my little heart and bubble
• 36:16
  And trust me, I, I kind of wanted to stay in it because it
• 36:19
  was a beautiful place that I was in of just praying for these
• 36:22
  moms and these babies. But I knew God said there's
• 36:26
  more. And I hit this moment at the end
• 36:28
  of 2019 where I said, I, I have to be a part, I need to get
• 36:31
  involved in the pro-life movement in some form or
• 36:34
  fashion. So that's what led me into
• 36:37
  discovering what a pregnancy Resource Center was.
• 36:39
  I didn't even know what a pregnancy Resource Center was.
• 36:41
  And again, I'm from the South. I'm was raised in a Christian
• 36:46
  raising a Christian home, but I was not exposed to the pro-life
• 36:49
  movement. I didn't even know what that
• 36:51
  language, that language didn't even resonate to me at the time.
• 36:54
  And so I had a lot to learn about what a pregnancy resource
• 36:57
  centers do. And as I dove into what they
• 37:01
  provide to women and how they're on the front lines, literally
• 37:05
  talking to these abortion vulnerable minded women, I got
• 37:09
  so fired up and excited. So I actually, there was a job
• 37:12
  opening at a pregnancy Resource Center in San Clemente.
• 37:15
  I applied out of faith and I got the job and I jumped right in.
• 37:20
  And that was in 2020. So it was an interesting year to
• 37:24
  get started because we hit COVID pretty quickly after I just
• 37:27
  started and the executive director at the time had a lot
• 37:31
  of health issues and she really wasn't able to come into the
• 37:34
  center. So I ended up really having
• 37:37
  almost like baptism by fire sort of experience where I had only
• 37:42
  been working and in training for a little bit.
• 37:43
  And then there I was in a room with an abortion minded woman
• 37:47
  and counseling her through her decision making way sooner than
• 37:53
  I would have ever imagined. But I'm so thankful that God
• 37:57
  just threw me in the room and I got to learn about what these
• 38:01
  women are going through first hand.
• 38:02
  I'd read about it for a year, for a year.
• 38:05
  And then to see it in real life, it was amazing to see God move
• 38:10
  in that little counseling room and in the ultrasound room.
• 38:13
  And I learned that asking really good questions honestly, how
• 38:17
  Jesus did with his disciples. He actually told Peter, who do
• 38:20
  you say that I am? And he did that on purpose
• 38:22
  because he wanted Peter to have that revelation and his own
• 38:27
  moment, light bulb moment of understanding who Jesus is to
• 38:30
  him. And I, I took that practice of,
• 38:34
  of good question asking and brought it into the counseling
• 38:37
  room. And I just watched these girls
• 38:38
  open up and start talking about their dreams and their desires.
• 38:42
  And, you know, what do you want to do in a year from now, five
• 38:46
  years from now, 10 years from now?
• 38:47
  And it was amazing the information they would share
• 38:49
  with you. If you just listen and love and
• 38:52
  are there to to come alongside them.
• 38:55
  It's amazing what can come out of those conversations.
• 38:58
  And Planned Parenthood, I can promise you, as you know, are
• 39:01
  not taking an interest in their life beyond that, that that
• 39:05
  moment of a life or death decision.
• 39:08
  But that was what we were trying to do in those rooms.
• 39:10
  And I saw miracle after miracle after miracle, baby saved after
• 39:15
  baby saved after baby saved. I mean, the first time I ever
• 39:19
  got to hold the baby that I got to walk with a woman to
• 39:24
  literally at the point where she said I'm 100% getting an
• 39:27
  abortion to then nine months later holding that child.
• 39:31
  I'll just never forget those times that I had.
• 39:34
  And I'm so thankful for them because it's really what got me
• 39:39
  into even where I am now and a heart for what they're walking
• 39:44
  through, which I think is so important.
• 39:45
  It's so important to understand that these women, they need
• 39:49
  Jesus, they need love, they need care.
• 39:52
  And God softened my heart that year that I got to minister to
• 39:57
  those women and hear their stories.
• 39:59
  And it built my heart for the for the pro-life movement even
• 40:03
  more. I I get teary eyed hearing from
• 40:07
  you. Share that and imagine that baby
• 40:09
  that you held. Yeah.
• 40:12
  It was amazing. It's just amazing and not that
• 40:15
  your ability to show up for that woman and help her choose life
• 40:19
  and be there for her and her now newborn baby was because of a
• 40:22
  dream that God gave you in the night.
• 40:24
  Yeah, it's wild. It's awesome.
• 40:27
  It's amazing. So thankful.
• 40:29
  And I just remember sitting there thinking, God, this is
• 40:31
  what you created me for. And I would have never known
• 40:35
  that even a year before, I was sitting in that counseling room
• 40:38
  starting to talk to these women considering abortion or life.
• 40:42
  And it's like I was made for that moment.
• 40:46
  And that's how amazing God is and how He works.
• 40:49
  Like when we say yes to him and we're obedient to Him, He's
• 40:52
  going to show you so much about Him and his nature, but then
• 40:55
  you're going to get to learn so much about how He created you as
• 40:58
  an individual. And I remember saying things and
• 41:01
  getting into conversations. I mean, I met with witches.
• 41:03
  I met with all kinds of people with backgrounds, I mean, drug
• 41:07
  addictions, depression, some really heavy situations.
• 41:11
  And coming through the pregnancy center to the pregnancy center,
• 41:14
  Yeah. Right here in Orange County,
• 41:17
  you'd be shocked. And I just remember sitting
• 41:21
  there thinking, I didn't even know God that you could come in
• 41:25
  and use me out of all the people in the world.
• 41:28
  Like you don't have to do that. But that's what's so beautiful
• 41:31
  about relationship with him is that he wants to like he wants
• 41:34
  that companionship. He wants that relationship with
• 41:37
  each of us. We just have to be willing to do
• 41:40
  it. And I was just a willing vessel.
• 41:43
  And I couldn't even believe seeing witches coming to know
• 41:46
  Christ in one session. I mean, the those were kind of
• 41:50
  the the conversations and and experiences I was having in 2020
• 41:55
  that I again, could have never ever imagined I'd be sitting in.
• 41:59
  So thankful. It's incredible and it starts
• 42:03
  like you said, it's I, I love that word to use that prayer of
• 42:06
  God using you ask God, ask God to use us, give him permission
• 42:11
  to do whatever he wants with their life.
• 42:13
  Then the adventure truly begins and it's just I, I resonate so
• 42:17
  much with what you're sharing because there's so much in my
• 42:19
  life that I would have never imagined if I had not said yes
• 42:24
  to God and let God take the wheel, you know, and, and be the
• 42:27
  lead of the, of the, and that's not to say I don't make
• 42:29
  mistakes. I haven't gone the wrong
• 42:30
  direction. I haven't misheard.
• 42:32
  I mean, there's all of that, right?
• 42:33
  The messy day-to-day of the Christian life, but it's always
• 42:36
  oriented towards Jesus Christ and trying to hear and, and
• 42:39
  respond to God and letting him lead us.
• 42:41
  And it's just the most incredible adventure to be on
• 42:44
  that on that path. Every Life Diaper is the fastest
• 42:48
  growing diaper company in America in the world.
• 42:51
  I know the folks listening know about Every life because we talk
• 42:53
  about them often on the show. I use the product Public Square.
• 42:58
  I want to hear about public Square.
• 42:59
  And it's starting, it's being started.
• 43:00
  But I just think this what what just gets me so excited is
• 43:04
  you're talking about pregnancy center, you're talking about
• 43:06
  Sarah, you know, the early years of your marriage.
• 43:08
  Did you have any idea that you would be an entrepreneur that
• 43:12
  you would start a multi? I mean, you guys raised you guys
• 43:16
  have raised 10s of millions of dollars.
• 43:18
  You're making, you know, the revenue is I know going up.
• 43:21
  Every life is crushing it. It's the fastest growing
• 43:23
  company, a diaper company and baby products company.
• 43:26
  Was that did you ever have any inkling of that before you
• 43:30
  started every life for public Square?
• 43:32
  Like a little premonition from God that I would be a
• 43:34
  businesswoman and my husband and I would be entrepreneurs.
• 43:38
  Was that part of the? It's, it's a great question.
• 43:41
  I mean, I studied business in school, I studied economics.
• 43:43
  And so I, I did have a passion for entrepreneurship and
• 43:48
  innovation. Really my whole life, I've
• 43:50
  always been kind of a dreamer. I've always kind of thought big
• 43:53
  and outside of the box. And actually being from the
• 43:56
  South, it's very opposite culturally.
• 44:00
  It's very much stay in tradition and in your lane.
• 44:05
  I was kind of the black sheep that left.
• 44:07
  I think I'm actually really one of the only out of my friend
• 44:10
  group in high school that actually moved to California and
• 44:14
  built this different life, right?
• 44:16
  And so I've always had that in me.
• 44:18
  And my husband is exactly the same way.
• 44:20
  I mean, he's always been a dreamer.
• 44:22
  He is has a huge passion just for life and thinking outside
• 44:26
  the box. And I think moving to California
• 44:29
  and being around a culture that does think a little bit bigger,
• 44:33
  it was really good for us to be around that.
• 44:35
  And so looking back, I can see how he was preparing us for this
• 44:40
  moment, but it still looks very different than what I would have
• 44:44
  ever planned for. And I've said that a few times
• 44:46
  on this show, and I'm sure many people have that story too,
• 44:48
  listening that it's just when you follow God, you can try to
• 44:51
  make all these plans for yourself.
• 44:54
  And then he comes in and he blows it out of the park, which
• 44:57
  is the best part about going on this adventure with him, right?
• 45:00
  I just have to interject or they're about to have that
• 45:02
  experience. Or they're about to.
• 45:03
  If you're listening right now and you're like.
• 45:05
  That was your moment. Say yes to God, just say
• 45:07
  whatever you want. God, we have to radical
• 45:09
  submission to God and let him, let him change your life.
• 45:12
  Yeah. You're you're in the middle of a
• 45:14
  beautiful thought, so go back to your thought, but.
• 45:16
  Yeah. And and I would say it was
• 45:19
  during the 2019-2020 season that we were starting to see our
• 45:25
  hearts just shift and, and we were really thinking ministry
• 45:29
  full time was going to be kind of the career move for us.
• 45:33
  But as we started to focus more on politics and culture and the
• 45:37
  pro-life movement, Michael started working, working for a a
• 45:41
  marketing agency. So he's, he's kind of getting
• 45:44
  some exposure in different sectors.
• 45:46
  And we also started praying specifically, I remember God.
• 45:50
  Would you sharpen the kind of the tools in our tool belt that
• 45:54
  you want us to use? Because there's a lot of
• 45:55
  different places we could have gone or different careers we
• 45:59
  could have pursued. And we actually found ourselves
• 46:02
  kind of saying what's next for us.
• 46:04
  And again, there's a lot of different options, but we want
• 46:07
  to do the God thing. We don't want to just do the
• 46:08
  good thing. And it was then that we
• 46:12
  discovered that every pretty much major corporation,
• 46:18
  corporate America was not standing for pro-life, pro
• 46:21
  family, godly principles and values.
• 46:25
  And COVID I think really highlighted that for us because
• 46:28
  many businesses were shutting down.
• 46:30
  You're seeing small businesses hurting, and then you're seeing
• 46:33
  the Amazons and the targets of the world just, you know,
• 46:36
  growing and growing and growing to degrees.
• 46:39
  That is really saddening because from our perspective, we think
• 46:44
  small businesses are the backbone of society.
• 46:46
  They're really what make our country so special.
• 46:49
  And we started to kind of ache for these small businesses just
• 46:53
  right here in San Diego. And we also wanted to support
• 46:56
  those that were standing for our core convictions because we
• 46:59
  started to discover so many that weren't.
• 47:02
  And we created our own list in 2020 of all the places that we
• 47:05
  felt comfortable putting our dollars towards because we
• 47:08
  started to see that our purchasing powers really do make
• 47:12
  a difference. That money talks.
• 47:14
  We many people have heard that before, but I don't think that
• 47:17
  many stop and really assess what that means.
• 47:20
  And our purchasing decisions do have weight.
• 47:22
  They do have power. And actually, God really calls
• 47:25
  us to be good stewards of our wealth.
• 47:27
  He'll trust you with the little and then he'll trust you with
• 47:29
  the more. And, and you see scripture about
• 47:32
  wealth actually multiple times in the Bible.
• 47:35
  And I think a lot of times it can just be an, a very mindless
• 47:40
  transaction. And I started to see in 2020,
• 47:43
  people started to actually realize that it matters where
• 47:46
  your money is going and that you could actually be endorsing the
• 47:49
  very thing that you stand against or stand for.
• 47:53
  And that list that we compiled in our own little home turned
• 47:58
  into something that we said, man, this actually would be
• 48:00
  really helpful for other people in San Diego who do care about
• 48:04
  shopping their values and making sure that their dollars are
• 48:06
  going to support these companies.
• 48:08
  And that's actually what birthed the idea of Public Square, which
• 48:11
  is every life's parent company. And we launched it about four
• 48:15
  years ago. It's a marketplace where you can
• 48:17
  find businesses 80,000 plus that all stand for life, that stand
• 48:23
  for the family unit, that love liberty, that love the
• 48:27
  principles of of godliness. And that way when you go to this
• 48:32
  platform, you can know with a blessed assurance that every
• 48:35
  business on there, you don't have to wonder where your hard
• 48:38
  earned money is going. It's going to align with the
• 48:40
  things that are actually making our country better and stronger.
• 48:43
  And so that really was the launching pad into the
• 48:47
  innovation, into the startup phase.
• 48:49
  And that's when I knew God was also causing me to pause to say,
• 48:54
  do I continue pursuing the pregnancy Resource Center path?
• 48:57
  Because I was so passionate about the pregnancy Resource
• 49:00
  Center ministry and the women I was meeting with.
• 49:03
  But I was also so passionate about what was happening in our
• 49:07
  little living room that Michael and I were kind of building on
• 49:09
  the side. And I had to make a decision.
• 49:13
  It was a crossroads. And I ended up jumping all in
• 49:16
  with Michael and starting to build Public Square.
• 49:19
  All right, I have to ask. And this is what everybody asks
• 49:22
  about any kind of entrepreneurship.
• 49:23
  How? Because you're like creating,
• 49:27
  you know, 80,000 this app that has a marketplace that has
• 49:31
  80,000 like minded businesses. And then every life is creating
• 49:34
  a product company with all of the challenges of a product
• 49:37
  company that's now a global product company.
• 49:39
  And this is only four years old or five.
• 49:41
  Is it 5 now? It's four years old. close.
• 49:43
  Yeah, 4 1/2 years old and every life is just celebrated our two
• 49:47
  year anniversary in July. I like to hear about the
• 49:51
  whatever how you can share because I think people, a lot of
• 49:55
  people look at entrepreneurs and think I just, that's not me.
• 49:58
  I just can't do it because I don't come from independent
• 50:01
  wealth. My, my parents can't pay my
• 50:03
  bills and therefore it's impossible for me to start a
• 50:05
  side hustle that can grow. I just can't do it or
• 50:08
  everybody's going to come into it with or just I don't have
• 50:10
  what it takes or I don't know how or whatever it is, right.
• 50:13
  And so, you know, when you guys were first starting out, is this
• 50:16
  something where you had like unlimited resources, the trust
• 50:19
  fund and you're just like, we're going to figure it out And
• 50:21
  we've, everything's going to be we're, we're, we're, we're,
• 50:24
  we're comfortable. It's just we're going to figure
• 50:25
  it out as we go. No, we were living off of very
• 50:28
  small salaries and then a very expensive, expensive environment
• 50:32
  in California. You know, we came from the
• 50:35
  church sector, the nonprofit sector.
• 50:38
  And so no, we were not in a place where financially it was
• 50:42
  an easy thing for us to jump into.
• 50:43
  Actually, that was the biggest hurdle is how we have this grand
• 50:46
  idea. But one, are people going to
• 50:49
  like it? And two, we have to have the
• 50:51
  funding to be able to support building a technology company.
• 50:56
  That's essentially what we were doing.
• 50:57
  And Michael and I, you know, we, we got the, the, the politics
• 51:01
  and he, he especially had the marketing gifting for sure.
• 51:05
  And so we had different areas of strengths, but building a
• 51:10
  application is not something that we've ever done before.
• 51:13
  So I will say it's important that people know that.
• 51:17
  Let's say you have this grand idea that feels like, OK, no one
• 51:21
  else is doing it. There's a hole in the market.
• 51:23
  This could be amazing. We had incredible mentors in our
• 51:26
  life that we ran this idea by. So we built a little pitch deck
• 51:31
  and you know, we had this vision of what we thought it was going
• 51:34
  to be. And we just started to have
• 51:36
  conversations with people that we trust and love that are years
• 51:39
  ahead of us maybe in in the marketing sector, the business
• 51:42
  sector or the investment world or all, all kinds of we, we were
• 51:46
  very blessed with a lot of relationships that we could go
• 51:49
  to for support. And we had these conversations,
• 51:51
  the hard ones, the good ones and everything in between because we
• 51:55
  needed that feedback. We needed real time.
• 51:57
  Hey, is this, is this a good idea?
• 51:59
  Would you do this? Would you invest in this?
• 52:01
  And over and over again, we've just got yeses.
• 52:03
  We got yes after yes, after, after yes.
• 52:06
  And we felt, you know, again, we, we really couldn't say no
• 52:10
  because one, we felt God was giving this idea to us that it
• 52:14
  was a, it was an idea from him. And then our community around us
• 52:18
  was very supportive. Then it turned into really
• 52:22
  seeking out seed round of funding, right?
• 52:25
  So we had to be able to fund this idea and Michael would do a
• 52:29
  much better job talking about the season because he
• 52:32
  spearheaded this. But I can tell you a story that
• 52:35
  I think is really significant that I think got us to just
• 52:39
  where we are now. First, our very first hire, once
• 52:44
  we had our first round of of funding complete, was a prayer
• 52:48
  coordinator. That was our very first role at
• 52:51
  Public Square. And I'm so thankful that we and
• 52:54
  they're still with us today. She's still on our team, her.
• 52:56
  Role Officially, she's a prayer. That's all she does is just.
• 52:59
  Pray for the company, Sarah, that's so cool.
• 53:03
  And so that was our first hire. GGB we have our weekly prayer
• 53:06
  which I missed today, but thank you Keely.
• 53:08
  Yes, it's so important. That's so awesome, the power of
• 53:10
  prayer, and we just said we got to start there.
• 53:13
  This isn't going to happen unless we have prayer.
• 53:15
  It's going to be impossible. This is an impossible dream.
• 53:18
  And usually too, when you are saying it feels impossible is
• 53:22
  usually when it's a God idea too, when it's just so scary and
• 53:26
  feels so uncomfortable. That's usually the moment you
• 53:31
  should just be on the edge of your seat watching what God's
• 53:33
  going to do. And we felt that.
• 53:35
  We felt that anticipation. It was actually really exciting.
• 53:37
  Scary but exciting and. Scary, exciting and
• 53:42
  uncomfortable. All of it.
• 53:44
  Yes, all of it. So he met with this investor
• 53:48
  who's actually a very dear friend of ours, basically
• 53:51
  family. And it was funny.
• 53:53
  Michael came in the room, he had his pitch deck all ready to go,
• 53:56
  and he told him to put the computer away.
• 54:00
  And Michael's thinking, Oh my gosh, I haven't even shared yet.
• 54:02
  And he's already saying no, like, what have I done wrong?
• 54:05
  And he said to Michael, this strategy that you have played
• 54:10
  out here on this presentation, it's going to change 1000 times.
• 54:14
  It's going to mold and shift. And what I want to know is
• 54:18
  what's your vision and what's your mission?
• 54:21
  Because if you can hold fast to what you want to see happen,
• 54:25
  then I will support this effort because you're, again, your
• 54:29
  strategy is going to change 1000 times.
• 54:31
  And I think that was one of the best pieces of advice that
• 54:34
  Michael got. And I remember him telling me
• 54:36
  the story and I hang on to it every day that we have to hold
• 54:39
  so fast to the mission and the vision.
• 54:42
  And I know you are holding fast to the mission and the vision of
• 54:45
  live action and all that you're doing, but you want to hold
• 54:48
  loosely how you get there. Because if we get so caught in
• 54:51
  to our own ideas of what strategy looks like and how we
• 54:56
  implement certain pieces of our business and the formation of
• 55:00
  how it's all going to turn out, then we may miss an open door or
• 55:04
  a closed door because we're so stuck to what we think is the
• 55:07
  right way. But we're going to learn so many
• 55:09
  things that are going to change all of those things.
• 55:12
  But if you don't lose your mission and you don't lose the
• 55:15
  vision of what you want to see happen, that puts you in a
• 55:17
  really good place to succeed. And we've lived by that over and
• 55:23
  over and over again. Our if you pull up that pitch
• 55:26
  deck that we had four years ago and you look at who we are
• 55:30
  today, it's, I mean, it's hard to even pull pieces that are the
• 55:35
  same. But the mission and the vision
• 55:38
  never changed. And so I'm really thankful for
• 55:41
  that advice that we got at the very beginning because we made
• 55:46
  that be the main thing. And I think, you know, you look
• 55:48
  at Scripture too, right? Seek first his Kingdom and
• 55:51
  everything else will be added to you.
• 55:52
  That's in Matthew and it's kind of the same principle, like seek
• 55:56
  first God, seek first him and keep that the main thing and
• 56:00
  then everything else will be added.
• 56:03
  And it gave us so much peace as we went along this journey and
• 56:06
  we kept just one step at a time, one day at a time, and just
• 56:10
  trusting that if we seek first Him and we keep the mission, we
• 56:14
  keep the vision and lock step with him, everything else will
• 56:17
  come. But it took a lot of faith and
• 56:20
  it sounds glamorous and wonderful and at times it was,
• 56:24
  but and it is, we're still in it.
• 56:26
  We're still only four years old. We're not even close.
• 56:29
  We've barely even scratched the surface.
• 56:31
  We say all the time we're just getting started, but I just
• 56:34
  think it's really important to remember that it took a lot of
• 56:37
  sacrifice. It took a lot of saying no to
• 56:39
  say yes to this business that we've built.
• 56:42
  And I wouldn't change it for anything.
• 56:45
  But it hasn't been easy. It's come with losing
• 56:49
  friendships and, you know, all kinds of letting go of the
• 56:54
  comfortabilities of life, the comforts, you know, we don't, we
• 56:58
  don't live like a lot of people do.
• 57:00
  And that's OK. We're not better than anybody
• 57:02
  else. We're just saying yes to what
• 57:04
  God has for us. And it just looks a little bit
• 57:05
  different. And I think we all have to be
• 57:07
  willing to accept that, no matter what path God takes us
• 57:11
  on. Yeah, I think the level of risk
• 57:13
  that you guys have taken on as a family, a young family, the
• 57:16
  level of public exposure, like you're now a publicly traded
• 57:20
  company. I mean, you have there's, you
• 57:23
  know, I don't know if millions of shareholders, but they're
• 57:25
  shareholders you're responsible to.
• 57:26
  And then there's this public, I mean, it's public square, right?
• 57:29
  But it's people's judgement anytime you put anything out
• 57:32
  into the world. I know this with the podcast,
• 57:34
  and this podcast is not perfect and live action.
• 57:37
  We try very hard to be effective in reaching people, but we're
• 57:40
  going to, you know, as we go, we're going to make mistakes or
• 57:45
  try to take advantage of opportunities and not do it to
• 57:48
  the do it the best way we could have.
• 57:49
  But then we learn the next time. The whole path is full of pivots
• 57:53
  and full of striving and learning, following up, getting
• 57:57
  up again. I also love what you're talking
• 57:59
  about. What you started with is not
• 58:00
  where you are today and where you're going is not going to be
• 58:03
  where you are today. Amazon started as a bookstore,
• 58:06
  which is so crazy. And I, I was just one of my
• 58:08
  friends. He's, he's an advisor for some
• 58:10
  of the work on the GTB side. So if there's live action on the
• 58:13
  nonprofit and it's GTB, which produces the podcast, but he's
• 58:16
  talking about his company, which also kind of an app tech
• 58:19
  company. What they started with is very
• 58:21
  different than what they're doing just two years later.
• 58:23
  Same mission, but very different product or, or offering and
• 58:27
  program. So I think that there's so much
• 58:30
  wisdom there to just, I think not be afraid is really the
• 58:34
  foundational principle and to be open.
• 58:37
  And trusting. Yeah, one of my favorite.
• 58:39
  This is another Socrates quote. But you only live life once.
• 58:44
  But if you live it right, it's enough.
• 58:46
  So simple, but it's something to live by because we only have one
• 58:50
  shot at this life. That's it.
• 58:53
  And one of the thing that things that almost plagues me and my
• 58:57
  husband everyday is like, did we do enough today?
• 59:01
  And are we setting ourselves up to really leave a legacy behind
• 59:05
  us? And that's what drives us.
• 59:09
  I mean, Lily Gable, my daughter, that's what.
• 59:11
  And Michael would say the same. She is what drives us.
• 59:14
  This new little girl on the way. The family that we're building,
• 59:18
  we're doing all of this because we want to live a life where we
• 59:22
  don't look back and say, man, I could have done this.
• 59:26
  Or if I just would have let go of that, that fear and that
• 59:29
  anxiety, I would have actually jumped into the boat and really
• 59:34
  gone places that, you know, I wanted to go.
• 59:37
  I just didn't. And I think Michael and I, when
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  we got married, we kind of put a line in the sand and just said,
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  we're just going to go all in. And if it means epically
• 59:47
  failing, which we failed over and over again and we've fallen
• 59:51
  on our faces, but we're just going to get right back up and
• 59:54
  we're going to try again. And it caught it.
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  It's caused me to gain a lot of grit and a lot of drive that I
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  had not I've, I've always been a determined person, but I'm in a
• 1:00:05
  different boat now than I ever have been because of the things
• 1:00:08
  that we've gone through. But I'm so thankful for it
• 1:00:11
  because I just know I'm going to look back and say thank you,
• 1:00:16
  God, for letting us live this wild, crazy life.
• 1:00:20
  And. I'm going to be able to say, I
• 1:00:23
  think we all want to be able to say that we, we did it right.
• 1:00:26
  We had one life and we gave it all that we had.
• 1:00:29
  And I hope that encourages somebody who's maybe feels like
• 1:00:32
  they're sitting on the sidelines a little bit.
• 1:00:33
  Like I'm watching all these other people take off and I'm
• 1:00:37
  just timid to, to jump into the boat and to go all in.
• 1:00:41
  It's like, do it, just do it because what do we have to lose?
• 1:00:44
  We lose. We have one life.
• 1:00:46
  This is it. Let's leave the legacy that we
• 1:00:48
  want to leave behind us that outlasts our time here on earth.
• 1:00:52
  And that's what you're building. That's what we're trying to
• 1:00:54
  build. And the more believers that can
• 1:00:57
  do that. Can you imagine what our society
• 1:01:00
  could look like if we just had more believers that were
• 1:01:03
  dreaming big and and going after the things that God was putting
• 1:01:07
  on their heart? I can't imagine.
• 1:01:09
  We're just one example. I mean, there's, there's, so
• 1:01:12
  there's, there's so many Christians out there that I'm,
• 1:01:15
  I'm just encouraged to see what God is doing.
• 1:01:18
  And I think there's more that are, are going to come into the
• 1:01:21
  horizon here soon with new ideas, new strategies, because
• 1:01:25
  we need it. We're, we're entering into very
• 1:01:27
  interesting times here. And we need all the believers
• 1:01:31
  all in running after God with all their heart, mind and soul.
• 1:01:35
  I think what you guys have spearheaded is a renaissance of
• 1:01:39
  people who are building these new institutions.
• 1:01:43
  Really that's what it is in the business world especially who
• 1:01:46
  are proud of their identity as people of faith, people who are
• 1:01:51
  pro-life, people who are pro marriage and that ten years ago
• 1:01:55
  would not have really been seen as a thing.
• 1:01:57
  It would have been weird. Like what does it mean?
• 1:01:59
  But I think Michael, pioneering and quite frankly, raising a lot
• 1:02:02
  of money behind this vision that then is now paying creators,
• 1:02:06
  paying, helping support other businesses, helping build new
• 1:02:09
  businesses, like every life, all of this, it's helping build that
• 1:02:12
  very ecosystem that you envisioned.
• 1:02:13
  And again, the path is going to look different than the original
• 1:02:16
  path that was imagined. But that's part of the journey.
• 1:02:18
  And I see it happening right now in our culture.
• 1:02:21
  This is an exciting moment where people are now more proud than
• 1:02:24
  ever of faith, of family, of fighting for life.
• 1:02:28
  And we're still not there yet. The culture is very much
• 1:02:31
  struggling. We have, you know, horrific, the
• 1:02:35
  evil of abortion, the the, the sexual revolution, all of the
• 1:02:39
  pornography and breakdown of the family.
• 1:02:40
  So there's, you know, gender identity confusion.
• 1:02:43
  So there's tremendous things to fight and to build in the midst
• 1:02:47
  of. But I think the willingness to
• 1:02:50
  dream big and build big, even with all of its challenges, is,
• 1:02:55
  is the opportunity. I mean, if we have that
• 1:02:57
  willingness, we get to seize that opportunity.
• 1:02:59
  OK, two questions for you. What has been the biggest
• 1:03:03
  failure that you can share? Especially curious with every
• 1:03:06
  life because that's our brand we love here and and our challenge
• 1:03:10
  that you had to overcome. And then what's been the biggest
• 1:03:11
  breakthrough? So with every life, you know, I,
• 1:03:16
  I do think it's worth sharing that the reason every life is
• 1:03:19
  here today is because of our parent company, Public Square,
• 1:03:22
  and us discovering that our customers were literally
• 1:03:25
  searching for diaper companies. And we did not have one
• 1:03:28
  representative on our platform that stood for life, that stood
• 1:03:32
  for families and stood for freedom.
• 1:03:35
  And at the same time, it became personal because Michael and I
• 1:03:38
  got pregnant with our first. And so we just started to look
• 1:03:41
  into the baby industry and was shocked, absolutely shocked.
• 1:03:45
  I didn't even think I'd need to look into diaper companies to
• 1:03:48
  see where they stood and where our money was going.
• 1:03:52
  And every single major diaper company was supporting abortion
• 1:03:55
  vocally or financially. So even at the public Square
• 1:03:57
  ecosystem that we were building, we couldn't help our consumers
• 1:04:00
  find a diaper brand. It's, it's so insane, Sarah.
• 1:04:04
  So it it, it really broke my heart and I actually hope more
• 1:04:09
  people let that break their heart.
• 1:04:11
  We said this earlier in the episode.
• 1:04:12
  We need, I think passive stances can be so harmful to society.
• 1:04:18
  I think we really need to feel the weight of some of these
• 1:04:22
  issues at hand. And the fact that these diaper
• 1:04:25
  brands that are literally making products for children do not
• 1:04:29
  believe in their life is so wrong.
• 1:04:32
  It's a horrible business model model firstly, but it's morally
• 1:04:36
  wrong. It's it, it doesn't, it doesn't
• 1:04:39
  add up. And so when we were discovering
• 1:04:41
  this again, we had that moment of we can't sit on the sidelines
• 1:04:45
  and just be OK with this. We want a brand even for our own
• 1:04:48
  child that we're excited to go support.
• 1:04:51
  And that's really what caused every life to exist and and come
• 1:04:57
  into play. And I'm so thankful for another
• 1:04:59
  one of those light bulb moments, a hole in the market to be able
• 1:05:03
  to serve families that are so passionate about shopping their
• 1:05:05
  values and getting quality and the performance that they need
• 1:05:09
  for their families with these products.
• 1:05:12
  This journey has been an incredible 1.
• 1:05:16
  And you know, I, I honestly look back Lila, over the last two
• 1:05:20
  years and I have more kind of triumph stories with every life.
• 1:05:25
  It has been a lot of triumph. I mean, like, what's been the
• 1:05:27
  biggest failure? Like, thanks be to God, it's
• 1:05:29
  crushing it, you know? Well, their struggles, their
• 1:05:32
  struggles, absolutely just like, but they're more personal,
• 1:05:35
  right? It's more, it's more the moments
• 1:05:39
  where I feel like I'm failing at being the the best leader of the
• 1:05:43
  company while also trying to still be the best mom and wife.
• 1:05:47
  You know, it's those moments, those tension points where
• 1:05:51
  you're just wrestling with how do you navigate that?
• 1:05:54
  Yeah, it's, it's not. It's, and it's interesting you
• 1:05:56
  say that because I, I relate to that a lot as a mom
• 1:05:58
  entrepreneur. It's it people say, what's your
• 1:06:00
  biggest challenges? It's making sure that I
• 1:06:02
  prioritize properly and making sure that work doesn't eat into
• 1:06:05
  my my my children. Exactly because they're first.
• 1:06:09
  That's right. How do you do that?
• 1:06:12
  Yeah, I'd actually love to hear your answer, too.
• 1:06:16
  But I would say, you know, one of the things that's been really
• 1:06:19
  effective is I try to bring my daughter, Lily Gable, into as
• 1:06:23
  much as I can. And I think a lot of times we
• 1:06:26
  can kind of segment our life, right?
• 1:06:28
  It's like over here is business, over here is family, over here
• 1:06:32
  is church. But really, like, God should be
• 1:06:34
  a part of every bucket of our life.
• 1:06:37
  And I think we've decided, my husband and I, that because
• 1:06:40
  we're kind of a family on mission, we're, we're building
• 1:06:43
  this ecosystem together that we don't want to have Lily Gable
• 1:06:48
  kind of just be on the sidelines over here.
• 1:06:51
  We just want to bring her in with us every chance we can.
• 1:06:54
  And she's been on 90 plus flights with me.
• 1:06:57
  She's traveled the world. I try to get her in the meetings
• 1:07:01
  with my team and just have her present as much as I can.
• 1:07:04
  So it feels like again, she's a part of this because she is my
• 1:07:08
  why she is why I do what I do. And she's not a set back.
• 1:07:12
  She's actually my, my greatest strength is her because she
• 1:07:16
  motivates me and she makes me better and stronger and she
• 1:07:19
  gives me more ideas. I mean, really this idea of, of
• 1:07:22
  every life came from really us getting pregnant with her.
• 1:07:25
  I mean, I think a lot of times culture likes to say, right,
• 1:07:30
  that kids are just going to set you back and they're going to
• 1:07:33
  steal your dreams and your goals and your desires.
• 1:07:35
  My story is the complete opposite.
• 1:07:37
  My child literally made me dream so big so I could create
• 1:07:42
  something for her. That one was good for her body
• 1:07:45
  that celebrated her. It was a great product.
• 1:07:47
  But it's more than that, right? We're not just a diaper company.
• 1:07:50
  We're really working hard to shift culture to one that
• 1:07:53
  celebrates every miraculous life.
• 1:07:55
  And so to going back to your question, I would say the way
• 1:08:00
  that I've tried to go about that challenge is just bringing her
• 1:08:03
  in when I can and just having a lot of grace and, and patience.
• 1:08:07
  I've, I've been tested in the patients department of just
• 1:08:11
  being, you know, OK with there's, this is challenging
• 1:08:15
  right now and I need to just take a second and realize that
• 1:08:18
  I'm, I'm a little overwhelmed And I need to accept that
• 1:08:21
  feeling. And then let me figure out what
• 1:08:24
  I need to do to either move forward with focusing on this
• 1:08:29
  maybe problem that I have in the business, or I'm just going to
• 1:08:32
  put it to bed for a second, put it on the shelf And I have to
• 1:08:35
  prioritize my child right now. And it's a, it's a moment of
• 1:08:40
  contact switching very often. But I think when God gives you
• 1:08:45
  the grace to do something, he's going to help you right through
• 1:08:49
  those moments of discernment. And I've really leaned on being
• 1:08:53
  dependent on him in those moments where I I feel the
• 1:08:56
  tension. That's so good.
• 1:08:58
  And, and to know that God's not going to call us to something
• 1:09:00
  that we can't do with his grace. I mean, if it's meant to be, it
• 1:09:04
  will be with his grace. And he's not going to make a
• 1:09:06
  sacrifice, something that we're never to sacrifice, like our own
• 1:09:09
  marriage, our children, our faith or morals, whatever it is
• 1:09:11
  in any kind of path. But it requires really leaning
• 1:09:15
  and listening and those acts of surrender that we were talking
• 1:09:18
  about earlier. OK, Biggest breakthrough with
• 1:09:21
  every life. Did you think you get this big
• 1:09:24
  this fast? I.
• 1:09:25
  Didn't, but I think one of our biggest breakthrough moments was
• 1:09:29
  when we did our our big Make More Babies campaign pretty
• 1:09:33
  shortly after we launched. God was really highlighting the
• 1:09:37
  birth rate issue, which I know you talk about often.
• 1:09:40
  And we're really passionate as a team at every life.
• 1:09:42
  The fact that we're seeing, you know, 1.6 babies per woman is
• 1:09:47
  really concerning. We should be paying attention to
• 1:09:49
  it. We need that replacement rate to
• 1:09:51
  be at 2.1 babies per woman. And it was becoming really clear
• 1:09:55
  right after we launched that we have an opportunity to share
• 1:10:00
  about this issue, this overpopulation control ideology
• 1:10:03
  that's plaguing so many young people today.
• 1:10:06
  I mean, the fact that 23% of people in their childbearing
• 1:10:09
  years are saying that they are considering not having children
• 1:10:13
  because of their concerns of how a child would bring too many
• 1:10:16
  carbon emissions into the world is a threat to our society and
• 1:10:20
  that we're overpopulated. We have too many people.
• 1:10:22
  I mean, almost 50%, according to a UNUN study, would say that
• 1:10:27
  they think that we have too many people here on this earth.
• 1:10:30
  And that's just not true. I mean, we have more people that
• 1:10:33
  are aging out than coming into the world.
• 1:10:36
  And so we started to see, man, there's an opportunity to to
• 1:10:40
  talk about this in a different angle and highlight that their
• 1:10:46
  children are not a burden, they're a blessing.
• 1:10:49
  And we need more of them, not less.
• 1:10:50
  We don't need less people in this world.
• 1:10:53
  And when we did this campaign in Times Square, we put up just a
• 1:10:56
  simple message, make more babies because that's what we believe
• 1:10:59
  in every life. We think, you know, find, find
• 1:11:01
  God, get married and make babies like that is that is so clear in
• 1:11:05
  scripture. He calls us to be fruitful and
• 1:11:08
  to multiply the earth. And we put that simple quote up
• 1:11:12
  there. And, and, and also Elon Musk
• 1:11:14
  himself has actually been a big proponent of, you know,
• 1:11:17
  repopulation and he said having children, saving the world.
• 1:11:20
  And I have a lot of, you know, disagreements with Elon Musk.
• 1:11:23
  But I agree with that statement, having children.
• 1:11:25
  Elon find God, get married and then have the baby.
• 1:11:29
  There's an order. Trust me, Elon, it's going to be
• 1:11:31
  best for you and for everybody else, including those precious
• 1:11:34
  babies. I know.
• 1:11:35
  But every one of his babies and every baby, no matter how
• 1:11:38
  they're brought into the world, whether it's, you know,
• 1:11:41
  premarital sex, whether it's IVF, no matter how a child is
• 1:11:43
  brought into the world is a gift from God.
• 1:11:45
  It's a divine gift and is willed and loved by God himself.
• 1:11:49
  So we can celebrate every baby, no matter the circumstances of
• 1:11:52
  how they were brought into the world.
• 1:11:53
  Absolutely. We can still say encourage
• 1:11:55
  people like God's plan is the best plan here for your sake and
• 1:11:58
  the child's sake. But let's celebrate every life.
• 1:12:00
  That's right. And so we put his tweet up on a
• 1:12:03
  billboard and I went viral. I mean, Elon Musk himself
• 1:12:06
  retweeted it. I mean, he is one of the most
• 1:12:08
  influential men in the world. And so him backing this pro-life
• 1:12:12
  diaper company, I mean, I couldn't believe it truly.
• 1:12:15
  And I think that really got us on the map to be able again, to
• 1:12:18
  show that we're sure providing these incredible products for
• 1:12:21
  parents that people are raving about.
• 1:12:23
  I mean, it's healing diaper rash and it's causing people to sleep
• 1:12:26
  better at night because the 12 hour leak protection actually
• 1:12:29
  works. Like it's an incredible product.
• 1:12:31
  I mean, I, I even said to Michael, I'm like, we're not
• 1:12:33
  going to create a product that we would not be proud to put on
• 1:12:35
  our own baby. So we spent a lot of time
• 1:12:37
  thinking through the ingredients in the crafting of the of the
• 1:12:40
  diaper itself and all the products that we have now.
• 1:12:42
  But more than that, we're standing for parenthood.
• 1:12:45
  You know, we're standing for life and we're trying to create
• 1:12:48
  a movement and we're all trying to create a movement here that
• 1:12:51
  is unapologetically for every miraculous life.
• 1:12:55
  And that was a really incredible season where I've just found our
• 1:12:59
  company, built so much momentum again, got us into the
• 1:13:02
  mainstream and allowed people to see that, yes, we have the
• 1:13:06
  product, but we have this values component that sets us apart.
• 1:13:12
  There's no other diaper brand that is saying the things that
• 1:13:15
  we're saying and is donating. We've now been able to give out
• 1:13:18
  over 6,000,000 diapers to families who have chosen life
• 1:13:21
  for their babies. I know the live action community
• 1:13:23
  loves. And we're so thankful.
• 1:13:25
  Donating every life diapers to pregnancy thank.
• 1:13:27
  You we all are a part of that 6,000,000 amazing.
• 1:13:30
  Thank you because we we wouldn't be there if it wasn't for your
• 1:13:33
  community that is so passionate right about helping that mom and
• 1:13:37
  dad with the essentials and so many parents.
• 1:13:39
  I think we can look at diapers and think, is that really going
• 1:13:42
  to make a dent in somebody's life, life when they're in that
• 1:13:45
  situation where they're struggling?
• 1:13:46
  The answer is it absolutely can. You know, actually, 60% of
• 1:13:50
  people would say if they just had the resources and the
• 1:13:53
  practical essentials that they needed for parenthood, they
• 1:13:56
  would keep their baby. They just need a vision.
• 1:13:58
  They need, they need the hope, they need the practical and the
• 1:14:01
  fact that we get to come in with a product that's very simple.
• 1:14:04
  It's diapers and wipes, but every parent needs it and it
• 1:14:08
  stands for something so special. Every package and wipe when as
• 1:14:13
  soon as you open it, there's a Bible verse on it that says, you
• 1:14:16
  know, every good and perfect gift is from above.
• 1:14:18
  And it just reminds us of the gift that God has given us to
• 1:14:21
  not take it lightly. And even when you're changing
• 1:14:24
  that, that diaper, it's a moment to reflect on the goodness of
• 1:14:27
  God and that gift right in front of you, to not take it lightly
• 1:14:31
  and to have a heart of gratitude.
• 1:14:33
  Because I think a lot of times we can get tired as parents and
• 1:14:38
  forget that, man, this is the greatest privilege is being a
• 1:14:41
  mom is being a dad. I mean, it's the greatest role
• 1:14:44
  one could ever have in my opinion.
• 1:14:47
  And it deserves all of our attention and time.
• 1:14:50
  And I just want more people to see it that way.
• 1:14:53
  So we're trying really hard to do it, and it's been a beautiful
• 1:14:57
  moment. And that was a very big triumph
• 1:15:00
  moment for us when we had success in that campaign to
• 1:15:04
  really see the ripple effect and the open doors that came after
• 1:15:07
  that. And again, I feel like there's
• 1:15:10
  so much more to come. You know, we're at the best.
• 1:15:12
  Is just getting started, Sarah. It's very exciting.
• 1:15:16
  I have to ask because I think a lot of people are inspired by
• 1:15:20
  your story. I am.
• 1:15:21
  But if someone's listening, they think, OK, maybe I don't know if
• 1:15:24
  I would be able to start a publicly traded company or I
• 1:15:26
  don't even know if that's in my heart.
• 1:15:28
  But I want to be an entrepreneur.
• 1:15:29
  I want to start a side hustle, maybe to bring in more revenue
• 1:15:31
  for my family or explore some gifts or visions or dreams that
• 1:15:35
  I have. What would it?
• 1:15:36
  What would your advice be? My first piece of advice would
• 1:15:40
  be to stop and pray because I do think that even starting a a
• 1:15:44
  little side hustle as a mom, I think is a is a beautiful,
• 1:15:48
  wonderful thing. And I think the lie that you
• 1:15:51
  can't be a mom and have a career too is absurd.
• 1:15:54
  And I think it's very degrading and offensive actually to women,
• 1:15:58
  because we can. It is possible.
• 1:16:00
  And we have throughout human history and we exactly.
• 1:16:03
  So it is trad, yes, to be there we go.
• 1:16:07
  So let's remember that that right?
• 1:16:09
  But at the same time, it doesn't mean that path is for everybody.
• 1:16:12
  And I think that if you're going to embrace even a side hustle or
• 1:16:17
  a full time career and be a mom, it has to be.
• 1:16:20
  And we've talked a lot about God on the show, but it has to be
• 1:16:23
  driven through obedience from God because you're sacrificing a
• 1:16:28
  lot when you decide to do career and mom.
• 1:16:32
  I think it adds extra challenges at times between the family unit
• 1:16:36
  that you just have to be ready to embrace and you just have to
• 1:16:41
  assess that that question. And I do wish that our society,
• 1:16:46
  while they need to be saying you can do both because it is
• 1:16:48
  possible. I also think we could do a
• 1:16:51
  better job of not creating this mindset from a very early age
• 1:16:56
  that you have to have some career.
• 1:16:59
  What if you do want to be a mom full time?
• 1:17:01
  That should be that's your career.
• 1:17:03
  That is a career, that is a career full time job.
• 1:17:06
  And actually, instead of saying stay at home mom, I say you're a
• 1:17:10
  full time mom because you're full time working, taking care
• 1:17:15
  of the most precious thing right in front of you like that is
• 1:17:18
  that should be. Celebrated that should be
• 1:17:20
  rewarded quick sidebar. A big part of that is household
• 1:17:22
  management. Childcare is obviously crucial
• 1:17:25
  and and key your baby needs care 24/7, but it's also household
• 1:17:30
  management. And I think some women have the
• 1:17:32
  desire and the gifting and the ability and and it kind of works
• 1:17:35
  that I am the full time household manager.
• 1:17:37
  I don't want to make money a different way and then delegate
• 1:17:40
  pieces of my household out. I want to do it and they thrive
• 1:17:43
  at doing it. And that's an incredible job,
• 1:17:46
  vocational work, and it's beautiful.
• 1:17:48
  But that's also not every woman's approach.
• 1:17:51
  And that's totally fine, too. That's right.
• 1:17:54
  I think it's a an acceptance of what again has God put on your
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  heart and where are your giftings going to come alive?
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  What is he calling you into? Because I, I know for me, I did
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  have this career minded track. I didn't have many people tell
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  me at 15 years old, do you want to be a mom one day?
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  I mean, I don't know if you got that question in your community,
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  but like, that just wasn't a conversation.
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  It was what college are you going to go to?
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  What are you going to study? It isn't elevated the way that
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  it should be in our society as a as a goal for most women.
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  Not every woman is going to be a biological mother because not
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  everyone will marry. But for most women, and I think
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  what you're saying, I think folks on the show, I think
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  there's this community largely agrees because it is every woman
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  is going to have a different path with this and we have to
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  listen to what God's call is. But if someone's listening to
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  think, OK, I think God is calling me to a side hustle in
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  part just to contribute to my family.
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  But I had this idea and I don't want to make it necessarily this
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  full time career, but it's something that I want to build
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  one step at a time. What would I mean?
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  Pray is obviously a key. Yeah, starting place, great
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  starting place. And then, you know, it's the,
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  the conversation we were having earlier of having No Fear.
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  I mean, when God gives you this idea and you feel a yes from him
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  after you prayed about it and your husband's in alignment and
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  you're ready to go. I mean, have No Fear and, and
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  seek out counsel. I, I, I mentioned that was a
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  really big part of our journey too, of just getting wisdom and
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  advice from people who have gone before us and have been mentors
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  to us. I think that's really important
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  anytime you're trying something new to get that advice and
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  guidance. And, you know, I, I would say
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  it's an exciting journey, you know, and, and you can do it and
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  it's a, it's a beautiful thing And don't hold back, you know,
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  give it, give it your all, have grace for yourself because
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  you're going to, you're going to learn a lot along the way.
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  And there's going to be moments where you do feel like you're,
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  you're failing and you're, you're kind of on your face.
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  But actually, it's in those moments usually when you're kind
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  of on your face and feel like you're failing when you get some
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  of the best ideas actually, right, because you're just kind
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  of at that, that breaking point. And it sometimes actually that's
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  a a really good place to be in. Well, I think what you're
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  saying, like underpinning all that is just perseverance.
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  Just keep trying, like everyday do one more thing for this idea.
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  That's right, make one more phone call, send one more
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  e-mail, have one more conversation, you know, do one
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  more bit of research, one more bit of study, whatever it is
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  like. Just keep trying.
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  Like when I started live action, I had no idea what I was doing.
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  I just started reading, assessing, talking to people.
• 1:20:34
  One step leads to the next. Do you have any tips for finding
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  mentorship or counsel from people?
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  Things that you might have done early on to find a mentor, or
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  even just books that you recommend?
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  Anything that might be starting places for?
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  Folks, Yeah, I I mentioned, you know, we were a part of the JH
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  Ranch community and I had some incredible married couples that
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  I still go back today. And and actually, I think that
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  can be one of the best places to start.
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  And maybe not even finding an expert in the field of the idea
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  that you're looking to pursue, but just finding a solid married
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  couple maybe in your church or in your neighborhood and watch
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  them do life, you know, watch them go about having a career.
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  Because actually both of I think of this one couple that actually
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  married us and they both were on mission together and they're
• 1:21:27
  both working. They had three kids.
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  And I just remember watching them thinking, I want to be like
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  them one day. Like this is this is it like
• 1:21:35
  they you say goals, like goals, family goals right there, right
• 1:21:39
  in front of me. And I was 22 years old just
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  getting to observe and see how they dialogued about different
• 1:21:46
  components of their life and how they brought their kids in and
• 1:21:48
  moments where they could. And they also had moments of
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  tension. And they actually let me come in
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  and and watch that. And I actually hope at some
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  point soon we're we're new to Florida and we've only been
• 1:21:59
  there for two years. But I feel like, you know, one
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  part of our mission at some point will be I would love to be
• 1:22:05
  that to somebody else because I had that in my life.
• 1:22:08
  And I just you're going to get. People in the comments and Sarah
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  adopt me. She's just got to move forward,
• 1:22:15
  to be careful. What I, what I wish for, but you
• 1:22:18
  know, it just, it really helped me have the perspective and the
• 1:22:22
  picture, the vision, like I needed the model, I needed the
• 1:22:25
  model and I got to see it. So I mean, man, if you can find
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  that, that's such a great place to start.
• 1:22:32
  I love that and if you if you're having trouble finding it, pray
• 1:22:35
  there you go like go back and always come here like it always
• 1:22:37
  comes back to prayer, but it sure does it's powerful.
• 1:22:40
  It's so powerful. What's next for you, Sarah,
• 1:22:44
  besides delivering? Most importantly, delivering
• 1:22:46
  this little girlie. But I'm.
• 1:22:48
  Really excited about this next chapter.
• 1:22:50
  You know it's going to be different.
• 1:22:52
  We've had one baby, she's 2, and we've loved being a family of
• 1:22:57
  three. But I am most excited in this
• 1:22:59
  next chapter to be a family of four and welcome another girl
• 1:23:03
  into the world and actually go back to the newborn days, the
• 1:23:08
  snuggles, the quiet time. I'm still going to be involved
• 1:23:12
  with every life and but I'm going to take some time to tend
• 1:23:16
  to this new little life that I get to cherish and hold.
• 1:23:19
  And I'm not going to take it lightly.
• 1:23:21
  And I'm going to soak in every single second that I can.
• 1:23:24
  And I'm actually really looking forward to it.
• 1:23:27
  And I think that's another really big piece.
• 1:23:29
  And I wish we had more time to talk, but they're so there's so
• 1:23:32
  much in that postpartum season that, you know, I hear all the
• 1:23:37
  time people struggle with. And I, I had struggles in my
• 1:23:40
  first season of postpartum with my, with my first 'cause there's
• 1:23:43
  so much unknown, right? But it goes back to a culture
• 1:23:47
  that does start preparing people more for motherhood and that
• 1:23:50
  season, because I think if we did that better, we talked about
• 1:23:54
  these topics more. Made it more familiar and
• 1:23:56
  comfortable. There wouldn't be so much
• 1:23:59
  tension and angst angst. So I'm I'm thankful doing it a
• 1:24:03
  second time because I've I've done it once before.
• 1:24:06
  I know some of the challenges that I felt and I'm excited to
• 1:24:10
  see God just kind of work me really rely on God and and work
• 1:24:15
  with him through that time of stillness.
• 1:24:18
  I think one of the hardest things for me is just being
• 1:24:20
  still. As you can imagine, I'm I go,
• 1:24:22
  go, go, move, move, move, move. But it's it's actually really
• 1:24:25
  sacred to just like sit and be still and know that he's God and
• 1:24:30
  hold that little life and I'm ready, I'm ready for that.
• 1:24:33
  So that's what's next right around the corner technically
• 1:24:37
  any day now. And then, you know, with every
• 1:24:39
  life we're going to, we're going to keep growing.
• 1:24:42
  You know, we want to be a household name.
• 1:24:43
  We want to you will be Sarah. Thank you.
• 1:24:46
  I believe so. Excited for that.
• 1:24:47
  Also gives me chills again. But I'm just.
• 1:24:49
  I'm so excited for that. For you, yeah.
• 1:24:51
  I, I really believe in what we're building.
• 1:24:53
  I wouldn't, I wouldn't do it if if we didn't.
• 1:24:55
  And I think we have an opportunity to be a business
• 1:24:59
  that's for profit, that is standing for life.
• 1:25:02
  And the more businesses that can do that, the stronger our
• 1:25:06
  country will be. And I'm excited to keep building
• 1:25:09
  that culture, building more products and making every life a
• 1:25:13
  place where every family can go to get all the essentials they
• 1:25:16
  need for their baby and beyond. And that's where we're headed.
• 1:25:20
  And we're going to keep serving our nonprofit partners.
• 1:25:22
  That's a huge part of what we do.
• 1:25:24
  And many people probably don't know that because we were direct
• 1:25:27
  to consumer business, but we have over 1000 nonprofits,
• 1:25:30
  pregnancy centers, the live actions, the other organizations
• 1:25:33
  that we get to work with to help supply these products to moms
• 1:25:37
  and dads who need them. So I'm excited to grow that and,
• 1:25:40
  and really build more relationships in that sector.
• 1:25:43
  And it's it's an exciting time. I'm so proud of you and excited
• 1:25:48
  for what you're building and thank you for everything that
• 1:25:51
  you've done for the movement and for being you and where can
• 1:25:55
  people find you. That's a good question.
• 1:25:58
  Every Life Co on Instagram. We also have a Twitter.
• 1:26:01
  Go to everylife.com if you want to just learn more about our
• 1:26:05
  mission and our products. And then I do have a little
• 1:26:08
  social media. Sarah Gable on Instagram Sarah
• 1:26:11
  Gable Coaching. Coaching and mentorship brand is
• 1:26:14
  coming at some point. We don't know when, but it's
• 1:26:17
  happening right now. So yeah, I would be grateful for
• 1:26:20
  for anybody that wants to jump in and thank you, Lila, for your
• 1:26:23
  support having me on the show. And again, you've been a huge
• 1:26:26
  piece of my journey. And you were one of those
• 1:26:29
  mentors from afar. I didn't get to sit, sit and
• 1:26:32
  watch you live your life. But man, thank you for your yes
• 1:26:36
  because because it allowed me to learn and grow so much in that
• 1:26:40
  pivotal time in my life. Praise God, Thank you.
• 1:26:43
  Thank you Sarah. Thank you.
• 1:26:45
  Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the Lila Rose
• 1:26:47
  Show. I hope you enjoyed it.
• 1:26:48
  Make sure to check out every life.
• 1:26:50
  I am passionate about them because not only are they a
• 1:26:53
  pro-life company, but they're an amazing product.
• 1:26:56
  Check them out. Also make sure to follow Sarah.
• 1:26:58
  I was actually telling her after this show that she should, if
• 1:27:01
  she feels so-called and has the time, spend more time sharing
• 1:27:04
  about her entrepreneurial journey.
• 1:27:06
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• 1:27:08
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