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Director Tonya Lewis Lee documentary highlights the healthcare inequalities that Black Women face. · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: My guess is Tanya Lewis Lee and twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: Indie Wire featured Tanya on their twenty twenty two Rising
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  Speaker 1: Female Filmmakers to Watch. She's a producer, film director, writer, entrepreneur,
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  Speaker 1: and women's health advocate, delivering meaningful content that resonates with
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  Speaker 1: marginalized communities for over twenty years on the heels of
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  Speaker 1: our influential children's book. The US Department of Health partner
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  Speaker 1: with Tanya as the spokesperson for their A Healthy Baby
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  Speaker 1: Begins with You Infant mortality awareness campaign from two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and seven to twenty thirteen. Tanya's on the show today
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  Speaker 1: discuss her new documentary following the deaths of two young
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  Speaker 1: women due to childbirth complications to breed families, galvanized activists,
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  Speaker 1: birth workers, and physicians to reckon with one of the
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  Speaker 1: most pressing American crisis today, the US maternal health crisis.
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  Speaker 1: Lee co directed co produced After Shock, which examines the
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  Speaker 1: US maternity mortality crisis. Please welcome to the Money Making
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  Speaker 1: Conversation Masterclass. The wonderful Tanya Lewis Lee.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm good, Rashan, thank you so much for that wonderful introduction,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm happy to be here in conversation with you
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  Speaker 3: about the film.
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  Speaker 1: We know I want the reason I hopefully I did
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  Speaker 1: you justice in your intro, because to do a documentary
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  Speaker 1: like this, there has to be some history, has to
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  Speaker 1: be a person who just didn't and have a good idea,
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  Speaker 1: came across a good story and made this amazing documentary
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  Speaker 1: and by at least giving this background and it'll let
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  Speaker 1: them know that a lot of emotional a lot of history,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of experience went into creating Aftershock. Talk tell
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  Speaker 1: us about how you got involved with this project.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and like I said, I really did appreciate your
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  Speaker 3: introduction because you know, it was because of my children's book,
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  Speaker 3: Please Baby, Please, that the US Department of Helping Human
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  Speaker 3: Services reached out to me and asked me to be
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  Speaker 3: a spokesperson where their infant mortality awareness raising campaign, A
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  Speaker 3: Healthy Baby Begins with You. And it was through that
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  Speaker 3: campaign that I was able to travel the country and
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  Speaker 3: learn first of all about infant mortality. I didn't realize
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  Speaker 3: the US at the time when I first started had
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  Speaker 3: an issue with into mortality in the United States. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't realize that black babies, like black mothers, are dying
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  Speaker 3: at three to four times the rate of white babies
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  Speaker 3: in this country, and I didn't know about so I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know about the disparity.
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  Speaker 4: So through my travels, I.
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  Speaker 3: Had the opportunity to meet and talk with lots of women.
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  Speaker 3: Inevitably a woman would tell me a story about a friend,
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  Speaker 3: a sister, cousin, somebody who had passed away from childbirth complications.
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  Speaker 3: So it had been something that I had been thinking
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  Speaker 3: about for a while because I was hearing it firsthand
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  Speaker 3: from the community. And then back in twenty seventeen, twenty
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  Speaker 3: eighteen of the New York Times pro Publica started reporting
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  Speaker 3: on the issue of maternal mortality here in this country,
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  Speaker 3: and it seemed like then was the time to really
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  Speaker 3: go out there and make this film to raise the
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  Speaker 3: awareness so that we can do things to bring the
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  Speaker 3: make for better outcomes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that, making the fan, producing it,
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  Speaker 1: getting the concept in place, because this is a personal
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  Speaker 1: project from a standpoint, is about African Americans. It's about
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  Speaker 1: them being at the high end of the mortality rate.
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  Speaker 2: It's also some history. It tells you.
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  Speaker 1: This is a documentary and informs it educates you, especially
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  Speaker 1: in the end. How would you when you presented this
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  Speaker 1: project and start producing it. Were there any pushback or
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  Speaker 1: people didn't understand exactly the message you was trying to
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  Speaker 1: deliver with aftershock?
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I do think that when we first started working on
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  Speaker 3: the film, not so much pushback, but I think that
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  Speaker 3: people did like, what is this really about?
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  Speaker 4: How are you really going to tell the story?
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  Speaker 3: Because it is such a huge systemic issue, And I
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  Speaker 3: think initially some people thought, well, it's about black women's health,
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  Speaker 3: so it shouldn't cost so much.
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  Speaker 4: Your budgets too high, bring it down, and we really.
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  Speaker 3: Felt like the story needed to be told in a
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  Speaker 3: way through people's lived experience, not as a survey film
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  Speaker 3: just people talking to camera, although we do have a
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  Speaker 3: couple of experts, and we felt that the film deserved
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  Speaker 3: to be told the right way, and so it would
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  Speaker 3: cost what it would cost to make it, and we
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  Speaker 3: stuck to our guns and made the film that we
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  Speaker 3: wanted to make.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, what people don't take in perspective is
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  Speaker 1: that when you're dealing with emotions, they can't be action. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be captured, it has to be it
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  Speaker 1: has to be authentic, it has to be there for
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  Speaker 1: the moments. So sometimes hours, sometimes days are put into
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  Speaker 1: perspective to gather those moments because this is an emotionally
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  Speaker 1: charged documentary because it involves death. And that's which leads
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  Speaker 1: to the title after shock, you know, because of the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you know, you always hear this when children
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  Speaker 1: die before their parents. They say, no parent wants to
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  Speaker 1: bury their child. The goal is for the child to
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  Speaker 1: outlive the parents. And this situation is about relationships. How
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  Speaker 1: did you encounter the individual that you are featuring in
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  Speaker 1: your documentary?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really something else.
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  Speaker 3: Shamani Gibson passed away in October twenty nineteen. In December
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  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, her mother and her mother, Shawnnie Gibson and
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  Speaker 3: her partner Amari Maynard, decided to have an event that
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  Speaker 3: they called Aftershock, which was essentially a celebration of Shamani's life,
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  Speaker 3: but at the same time, they wanted to have a
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  Speaker 3: conversation with the community, so they put out an invitation on.
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  Speaker 4: Social media that we saw.
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  Speaker 3: We reached out to Shannie and to Omari and asked
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  Speaker 3: if we could film, and you know, it was really
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  Speaker 3: wonderful that they allowed us to come in and film
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  Speaker 3: because they wanted the word to get out about not
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  Speaker 3: just what happened to Shamani, but about the birthing outcomes in.
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  Speaker 4: The black community.
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  Speaker 3: And Amari was someone who is someone who when he
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  Speaker 3: hears of a father who has been left behind because
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  Speaker 3: his partner has passed away from childbirth complications, he reaches
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  Speaker 3: out to them and says, hey, brother, I got you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm here to support you.
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  Speaker 3: And he did that for Bruce mcinto when Amber Rose
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  Speaker 3: Isaac passed.
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  Speaker 4: Away in April of twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: And he reached out to him just to offer support,
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  Speaker 3: told him about the film, and then Bruce, you know,
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  Speaker 3: joined with us and so and for the same reason
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  Speaker 3: because a week after Amber passed away, Bruce had a
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  Speaker 3: press conference because he wanted to be in conversation with community.
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  Speaker 3: He wanted to demand accountability for Amber's death, but he
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  Speaker 3: also wanted to have the conversation. And so we were
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  Speaker 3: very fortunate that we were able to catch up with
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  Speaker 3: Shannie Omari and Bruce so that we could tell the
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  Speaker 3: story because they wanted to tell the story.
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  Speaker 2: Just talking to our audience.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I love talking to talented people like Tellia
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  Speaker 1: Lewis Lee. You know she said, we've reached out to them.
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  Speaker 1: May now they allowed us to come in. You better
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  Speaker 1: have a name you can google. You better have a reputation, You.
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  Speaker 2: Better have a brand.
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  Speaker 1: You better have an awareness that you just don't call
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  Speaker 1: somebody at a very dark emotional moment in life, say
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  Speaker 1: we want to come in and videotape without a reputation
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  Speaker 1: that they know you have their, you have their their
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  Speaker 1: their goodwill at heart. This is the twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 1: I said to the top rising filmmaker to watch by
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  Speaker 1: ind Wire, and that reputation that you've developed over the
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  Speaker 1: year is part of your brand allows you to get
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  Speaker 1: in a door and use your name to be able
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  Speaker 1: to not only push back on the money, which.
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  Speaker 2: I was really taking it back. We said, well this
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  Speaker 2: black women, why is it so high?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 2: And they we get that. We get that a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Because I've been in the television business for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: When I was a Steve Harvey was over the WB
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  Speaker 2: and the WB.
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  Speaker 1: Sitcoms were cheaper produced even though it was on the
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  Speaker 1: same platform as a white sitcom. So the dollar wealth
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  Speaker 1: gap they talk about in the world is also entertainment too,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, if y'all don't know that, and so
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  Speaker 1: you have to deal with those issues and you're able
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  Speaker 1: to overcome it.
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  Speaker 2: Is it the relationships?
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  Speaker 1: Is it being able to have the resume that you have,
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  Speaker 1: the experience, be able to counter the conversation that allows
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  Speaker 1: you to be successful in this really polarized entertainment business
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  Speaker 1: that we call.
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  Speaker 2: You know, supposed to be equally equal.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that it is true.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, having having a reputation, having a you know,
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  Speaker 3: a track record, if you will, certainly does help. And
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  Speaker 3: stacking the deck as you go, right, Dawn Porter is
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  Speaker 3: also an amazing documentary filmmaker who's an executive producer on
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  Speaker 3: our film Aftershock. Uh, and so having her there, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're right, Shawnnie, o'mari and Bruce were very aware of
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  Speaker 3: myself and my work and so and they trusted me.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we Shawnie and o'mari from Brooklyn. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we are Brooklyn people.
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  Speaker 4: They know my.
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  Speaker 3: Husband is you know, represent the Republic of Brooklyn all
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  Speaker 3: the time.
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  Speaker 4: So there is that comfort.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you I felt a real responsibility to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that we on aired uh Shamani and Amber
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  Speaker 3: and represented the family in a way that is authentic
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  Speaker 3: and true to the spirit of who they are.
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  Speaker 1: Really interesting when I got an opportunity, when the interview
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  Speaker 1: came to me, it came across my deskings we'll show
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  Speaker 1: you got a interview.
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  Speaker 2: I got an interviewer, and I go, Okay, what's she doing?
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  Speaker 2: What's she talking about?
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  Speaker 1: And then when they when they when they sent me
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  Speaker 1: the log line on the documentary. I have six sisters,
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  Speaker 1: okay and uh, and so I come from a family,
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  Speaker 1: a big family.
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  Speaker 2: Nine kids.
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  Speaker 1: Both my parents are staying home with us for Inner
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  Speaker 1: City and so I'm very much aware of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: loss of life, so I know that. You know, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you have to be honest with your audience and let
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  Speaker 1: them know that this is not just a story. To me,
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  Speaker 1: it's a personal journey. The emotional loss, the sunniness, the shock,
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  Speaker 1: the anger, the comfort that you don't care about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because the comfort can't change what has happened. Uh the
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  Speaker 1: future that you were planning that is cut off, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the plans. It's just so many emotions unless you've personally
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  Speaker 1: been there. And I was personally engaged with the two
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  Speaker 1: men who are prominently featured in your documentary because I
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  Speaker 1: was shocked and still shocked. I still think, I still reminiss,
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  Speaker 1: I still do the what ifs, and so all these
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  Speaker 1: things you have to take into perspective doing this. You
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  Speaker 1: have to be a level of sensitivity that this is
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  Speaker 1: beyond just recording a story. This is a journey that
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  Speaker 1: they guess what we will never forget. I will never
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  Speaker 1: turn my back onto what IFFs. I will never forget
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  Speaker 1: those moments of moments. But it's something that you, through
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  Speaker 1: through brilliant hands and experience, have allowed me to take
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  Speaker 1: that journey again.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought I would never do that again.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Well, I do hope that in watching their journey
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  Speaker 3: Amari Maynard and Bruce McIntyre.
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  Speaker 4: That there is comfort in that because you are not alone,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that there are a lot of men.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the things that.
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  Speaker 3: I think is really exciting to come out of the
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  Speaker 3: film because of Bruce and Omari, is that black men
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  Speaker 3: and men in general are talking about paternal mental health, right.
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  Speaker 4: I think you know, often when a woman has a child.
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  Speaker 3: We think of maternal health as just just being about
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  Speaker 3: a woman, but it is about a man too, because
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  Speaker 3: it still takes two to make a baby, and men
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  Speaker 3: go through the process as well, and then when there's
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  Speaker 3: a loss, they're the ones left behind, as in our case,
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  Speaker 3: to raise the children on their own and they need
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  Speaker 3: support and they have.
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  Speaker 4: I've learned Bruce and Amari.
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  Speaker 3: How to support one another, how to support other fathers,
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  Speaker 3: and to really engage in this conversation of what does
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  Speaker 3: it mean to be a man to have lost in
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  Speaker 3: this way, and I think it's a really great opportunity
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  Speaker 3: for us to have that conversation, get men talking more,
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  Speaker 3: being more vulnerableout with their feelings with each other so
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  Speaker 3: that they too can heal.
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  Speaker 1: And it's important, like I said, when I look at
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  Speaker 1: what you are doing and what you're presenting and we're
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  Speaker 1: talking to Tanya Lewis Lee. A documentary was called Aftershock.
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  Speaker 1: What I did realize is that you always hear that
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  Speaker 1: term it's a miracle to have a healthy baby. When
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  Speaker 1: something like this happens to you, you realize that it's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely the truth.
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  Speaker 2: It is a miracle to go through the birth process.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about their mom. It's a miracle for the
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  Speaker 1: baby to come health out healthy. You know, every day
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  Speaker 1: after that baby's born, you're touching them, making sure they
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  Speaker 1: breathing you. You just it's just a journey, making sure
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  Speaker 1: they sit up right, to make sure they when they.
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  Speaker 2: Lean to left, lean to the left.
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  Speaker 1: All those journeys and all those stories are being told
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  Speaker 1: in your documentary because it's over a serious it's not
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  Speaker 1: just a six month period years.
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  Speaker 2: As you see the growth and is.
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  Speaker 1: Shown in footage when you're putting the piece in all
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  Speaker 1: this together what is your thought process, Tanya and Tanya
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  Speaker 1: and making sure that we understand the journey, the pain,
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  Speaker 1: and potential results of what you're trying to accomplish with
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  Speaker 1: this documentary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really important for us to tell the
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  Speaker 3: story of the US maternal mortality crisis.
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  Speaker 4: Through the people who have lost.
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  Speaker 3: At the same time, we wanted to balance that with
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  Speaker 3: solutions because this is not something that we can't fix.
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  Speaker 4: We did not want the film to be.
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  Speaker 3: Just sad and tell you a problem and then leave
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  Speaker 3: you with like now and so we really and we
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  Speaker 3: also wanted to give you context of how we got here,
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  Speaker 3: so we talk a little bit about history. We balance
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  Speaker 3: out with experts who explain to us how we got here,
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  Speaker 3: what are the problems, and how do we fix it.
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  Speaker 3: I also have to say that Shawnnie, o'mari and Bruce
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  Speaker 3: are activists. So they did they did lose their family member,
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  Speaker 3: but they also became very activated and they are inspirational
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  Speaker 3: in that they turn their pain into power, as Amari
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  Speaker 3: says in the.
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  Speaker 4: Film, and are really trying to make it better and
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  Speaker 4: not just for.
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  Speaker 3: Their family, but for all of us so that we
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  Speaker 3: can have better outcomes. So it was really important with
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  Speaker 3: the film to balance sort of the hard truth with
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  Speaker 3: what can be positive, the positive potential outcomes that we
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  Speaker 3: can have, and to showcase that there are a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people on the ground doing this work. There are
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  Speaker 3: reproductive rights, reproductive justice rights, reproductive rights people out there
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  Speaker 3: doing the work, warriors doing the work every day, getting
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  Speaker 3: very little shine, very little money for the for the
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  Speaker 3: fact of all of us.
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  Speaker 1: You know what what what angers me and it's a positive,
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  Speaker 1: well I should say positive is that you know, their
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  Speaker 1: loss forced them become an expert, forced them to become
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  Speaker 1: an expert, and that's not right, and that's would shine
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  Speaker 1: the most out of this documentary is that the whole documentary.
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  Speaker 2: Is about it is not right. It should not be happening.
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  Speaker 1: And these two men, in this entire family of experts
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  Speaker 1: and galvanized for a greater cause, are here because people
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  Speaker 1: the system failed them.
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  Speaker 2: The system failed them and so many ways it failed them.
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  Speaker 1: And some of it's tied to because any lead project,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to lead project is going to educate you,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, and then they they you went into
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  Speaker 1: the educational book and I'm gaining knowledge when you realize
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  Speaker 1: that you know, c sections make money.
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  Speaker 2: They do the hospital. That's the big payer. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to do a C section. It's gonna make us some money.
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  Speaker 2: And then but I really really got.
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  Speaker 1: Into a portion of the documentary when we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about midwives and that really you know, I actually played
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  Speaker 1: that back.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I went, this is really because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I know it all.
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  Speaker 1: But when I see if my minors sociology, black history,
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  Speaker 1: uh was my was my minor in college, got my
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  Speaker 1: little straight a's. And when I get information that delves
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  Speaker 1: into this area, I go, you got to be kidding me.
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  Speaker 1: But when you hear the truth, how stunned were you
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  Speaker 1: or were you aware when you started doing this research
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  Speaker 1: and reading about the midwives?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the midwives situation is when you really think about it,
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  Speaker 3: it is so crazy. The United States is the only
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  Speaker 3: developed nation that does not have midwives integrated into women's health,
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  Speaker 3: and that is based on a racist premise because black
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  Speaker 3: midwives were those that took care of everyone giving birth
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  Speaker 3: back in the day, not just black women, but white
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  Speaker 3: women too.
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  Speaker 4: But when modern medicine came in, they took the.
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  Speaker 3: Economy of birthing out of the hands of black women
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  Speaker 3: put it into the hands of doctors, white doctors put
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  Speaker 3: and trying to push us all to go into hospitals
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  Speaker 3: so that they could have the economy, and then launched
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  Speaker 3: a campaign against midwives, telling us that they're dirty, they're witches,
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  Speaker 3: they're dangerous. That still exists today, and it is it is.
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  Speaker 4: It is not good for us, it's killing us.
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  Speaker 3: And so I was actually really surprised by that and
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  Speaker 3: really grateful to Helena Grant, who is the midwife in
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  Speaker 3: the film, who is an amazing historian.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing let's say, at one more time, tellya amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Amazing Helena Grant.
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  Speaker 3: We could have had an entire film with just a
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  Speaker 3: camera on Helena telling us so much. There was so
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  Speaker 3: much we couldn't put into the film that she educated
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  Speaker 3: us on.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we always talk about, you know, this critical
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  Speaker 1: theory that runs around and people don't want to give
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  Speaker 1: you the facts about life and history. And this is
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  Speaker 1: one of those great moments when I hear about people
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  Speaker 1: trying to deny actual history. This is something that happened,
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  Speaker 1: is something that is because it happened, That means it's
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  Speaker 1: happening today. That means that people have been outlawed and
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  Speaker 1: participating who cared about the process instead of being hired
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  Speaker 1: to do the process, which is a big difference. And
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  Speaker 1: you guys make that distinction in aftershock talk about that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think that again with midwives, they
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  Speaker 3: were there, they are still there.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the idea is to educate you about your.
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  Speaker 3: Body, right and midwife is there from before you get
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  Speaker 3: pregnant to why you're pregnant postpartum. A lot most of
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  Speaker 3: these deaths happen postpartum, and midwives are there to watch you,
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  Speaker 3: educate you about your body, and really empower you so
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  Speaker 3: that your body can do what you needed to do.
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  Speaker 3: The thing about guynecologists and obstetricians is that they're they're
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  Speaker 3: really surgeons, and so they're really looking for a problem.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they're and they're ready to operate.
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  Speaker 3: And again I just want to say, sea sections are
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  Speaker 3: really important. Thank god we have them because they are
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: necessary in the right situation. But what has happened in
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  Speaker 3: this country, as you mentioned, is that it's become about money.
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  Speaker 3: It's to come about the economics. So we find ourselves
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: sort of rushed and pushed into unnecessary sea sections, which
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: are major surgery.
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  Speaker 4: Which will cause which can cause problems later down.
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  Speaker 1: The line Tanya Lewis Lee, my wife had a beautiful daughter. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And when the opportunity presented itself, they said, mister McDonald,
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  Speaker 1: would you like to be in the room while your
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: wife delivers? I said no, I said, I wait outside.
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  Speaker 1: Please let me know when that beautiful child is born,
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  Speaker 1: and I come in with all the drama, all the trauma,
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  Speaker 1: all that is gone, ladies.
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  Speaker 2: Said Jeb after shot.
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  Speaker 6: I was shot because I got to see you the
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  Speaker 6: actual delivery of a child. Now I say that, I
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  Speaker 6: don't know if I should say thank you for allowing
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: me to see that, because I wasn't traumatized like I
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: thought I would be. But the fact that you were
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: able to I wouldn't say the word convince a couple
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: to allow that to be filmed, but it would talk
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: about that whole process that because that was amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Again again, we were so lucky to find an amazing couple.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't have to convince them. You know, Felicia and
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  Speaker 3: Paul Ellis they you know, Felicia was pregnant in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: There was a DULA service there.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: The Tulsa Birth Equity Initiative reached out to her and
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: said we can. We can get you a dula if
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: you'd like, and she said yes, and that's how we
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  Speaker 3: met Felicia. Felicia wanted to share her experience because, as
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: she says in the film, being a black woman, a
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: pregnant black woman is like being a black man at
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: a traffic stop. You have to pay attention every step
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: of the way. So she was really willing to allow
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: us to go on the journey with her. And again,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: as she says in the film, she's thinking, she's just
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: going to give.
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  Speaker 4: Birth a regular way, you know, with a doctor.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: And at a hospital, but then towards the end of
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: her pregnancy, she's like, wait a minute, maybe there's another way,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: and allowed us to go with her and find the
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: birthing center and the midwives that would attend with her
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: at her birth, and her husband attended with her.
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  Speaker 4: She was glad we got you to see.
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  Speaker 3: The birthn't traumatizing.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Now what at misleep, We have a relationship. Now you
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: took your boy down the road. I thought I wouldn't
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: go see again every in my life. But I want
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: to thank you. I want to thank you.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I want to think thank you because of who you are,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: because you people trusted you. You're telling a very powerful story,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a very needy story. After Shock, which is currently airing
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: on Hulu. It examines the U as a maternal mortality crisis,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: and always when you hear the word crisis, somehow it
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: just falls heavily on the black and brown community. And
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: we talk about that, and it must be talked, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: it will continue to be talked. And I just I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: know we're about to wrap up. I will tell you
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: something about me personally. I for somehow, my life has
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: been interesting. When I was a senior in high school,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: way back in nineteen seventy six, I was I did
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: a report. My senior class report was about morphine babies,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: babies who were born addicted to drugs. So I've always
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: had this journey, this this knowledge to make it right
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: within the black community and to know and then then
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to go from nineteen seventy six to see your documentary
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, All like I say is Wow, Wow,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that's a blessing. That's a blessing to know that I've
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: met a person who has the same values I have.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't continue down that lane, but you brought me back,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and you brought me back with a slap up side
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of the head said boy, get back in that saddle,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: will you will? You would head it down the right track.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I will promote this for you. I would tell people
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: about it as much as I can possibly tell about
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: social media and my newsletters and everything. Fantastic project. And
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: again thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for the conversation with Sean. What
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: a pleasure.
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