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Schumer Shutdown Continues plus a Beautiful Tribute to Charlie Kirk as he receives the Presidential Medal of Freedom · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome. It is verdic with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson
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Speaker 1: with you, and we've got a big show for you today,
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Speaker 1: including really an incredible moment at the White House honoring
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk on what would have been his birthday. We're
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Speaker 1: going to talk about that center you were there. But
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Speaker 1: also we've got an update as well on the government shutdown.
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Speaker 2: Well, it is day fifteen of the Schumer shutdown. The
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Speaker 2: government remains shut down. We voted on Tuesday to reopen
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Speaker 2: the government. The Republicans voted to reopen the government, and sadly,
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Speaker 2: the Democrats continued to say shut it down, shut it down,
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Speaker 2: shut it down. Now today October fifteenth, the President is
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Speaker 2: doing something that is really kind of wrecking the Democrats playbook,
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Speaker 2: which is the President moved funds around within the Department
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Speaker 2: of War and he said, we're going to pay our
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Speaker 2: servicemen and women. We're going to send out their paychecks.
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Speaker 2: I think Schumer and the Democrats were counting on these
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Speaker 2: paychecks not going out. You have a number of Democrats
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Speaker 2: expressing their dismay about it. We're going to break that
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Speaker 2: down and tell you what's happening about the shutdown. We're
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Speaker 2: also going to talk about, as you noted, Tuesday, President
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Speaker 2: Trump in the Rose Garden gave Charlie Kirk posthumously the
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Speaker 2: Presidential Medal of Freedom. I was there. It was an
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Speaker 2: incredible event. It honored his life. We're going to talk
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Speaker 1: let's just talk about like where we are to give
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Speaker 1: the updates This is something I think it's important for
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Speaker 1: us to do when it comes to shutdown what is
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Speaker 1: happening now in Washington, And I got a feeling you're
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Speaker 1: gonna be like nothing at all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look it's October fifteenth. So one of the consequences
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Speaker 2: is is federal workers all across the federal government had
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Speaker 2: their paycheck not direct deposited. And so for a lot
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Speaker 2: of workers who are living paycheck to paycheck, it means
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Speaker 2: they're not getting the check that they were planning on
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Speaker 2: to pay their bills. They're not getting the check they're
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Speaker 2: planning on to go to the grocery store. They're not
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Speaker 2: getting the check they're planning on to pay healthcare expenses,
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Speaker 2: tuition expenses, all daycare expenses, all of the day to
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Speaker 2: day expenses. It was also scheduled to be the day
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Speaker 2: on which our troops, our soldiers, our sailors, our airmenham
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Speaker 2: marines would not get paid either. And and we've seen
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Speaker 2: online images of young soldiers standing in line at at
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Speaker 2: at food pantries to get food. You know, many of
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Speaker 2: our young, particularly enlisted men and women, are living on
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Speaker 2: very limited budgets and and and not getting a paycheck
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Speaker 2: is a real hardship for them. Now, I will say
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Speaker 2: the latter has not happened because President Trump has done
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Speaker 2: something that I don't think has ever happened in the
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Speaker 2: previous shutdown, which which is he has readjusted money that
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Speaker 2: was going to other expenses within the Department of War.
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Speaker 2: He's shifted it around to an account to pay our
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Speaker 2: servicemen and women. I'm grateful that he did so. It
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Speaker 2: really is quite striking that the Democrats, multiple Democrats, are
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Speaker 2: expressing dismay, how dare you pay our servicemen and women? Uh?
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Speaker 2: But on Tuesday. On Tuesday, the Senate came back in
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Speaker 2: town and we voted. We voted for the ninth time,
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Speaker 2: Republicans voted to reopen the government. I voted to reopen
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Speaker 2: the government. We're ready to reopen it. And the Democrats
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Speaker 2: came in almost party line, All but a couple of
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Speaker 2: Democrats voted no, no, no, keep the government down. And
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Speaker 2: by the way, Schumer recently said it was quote better
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Speaker 2: for Democrats to extend the government shutdown. Now, I got
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Speaker 2: to say that's a cynical statement. They're counting on the
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Speaker 2: media to be dishonest about what's going on. But listen,
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Speaker 2: the end of this is it's going to end in
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Speaker 2: the same place. At some point, the Democrats are going
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Speaker 2: to give in. And I'll tell you what most of
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Speaker 2: the Republican senators believe, myself included, which is the shutdown
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Speaker 2: will continue at least until next week. And the reason
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Speaker 2: for that is on October eighteenth, on Saturday, there is
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Speaker 2: a big rally planned in Washington, d C. The so
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Speaker 2: called No King's Rally, where a bunch of leftist radicals
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Speaker 2: are going to be coming to Washington, d C. To
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Speaker 2: protest against Donald try Trump. Because that's what the left does,
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Speaker 2: is they say we hate Trump, we hate Trump. And
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Speaker 2: what I'm hearing is the Democrats are terrified of reopening
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Speaker 2: the government before that No King's Rally because they think
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Speaker 2: if they do reopen the government, those radicals will be furious.
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Speaker 2: And listen, why are we having a shutdown. We're having
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Speaker 2: a shut down two reasons. Number one, because the Democrats
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Speaker 2: want free, taxpayer provided health care for illegal aliens. But
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Speaker 2: number two, the real reason we're having a shutdown is
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Speaker 2: because Chuck Schumer is fighting for his political life and
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Speaker 2: he's trying to demonstrate to the radical left he hates
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Speaker 2: Trump as much as they do and so I think
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Speaker 2: at a minimum, the shutdown will continue through this weekend.
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Speaker 2: The earliest we see the government opening up is next week.
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Speaker 2: But you know what, Schumer and the Democrats might make
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Speaker 2: it drag out even further than that, because right now
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Speaker 2: they seem utterly oblivious to the consequences of their massive
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Speaker 2: political obstruction.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. And I go back to being
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Speaker 1: held hostage and the fact that Democrats are really outraged
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Speaker 1: over the idea of paying our military. I think that's
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Speaker 1: just really gross. I am shocked they're not taking a
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Speaker 1: bigger political hit, and the media is just giving them
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Speaker 1: full coverage on this one to act like their outrage
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Speaker 1: is somehow sane or normal. I actually think the American
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Speaker 1: people look at this otherwise. Am I wrong?
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Speaker 2: Look, I think you're right, although candidly, I think each
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Speaker 2: side lives in its own echo chamber. So I think
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Speaker 2: if you're inclined to agree with Republicans, your view is, Gosh,
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Speaker 2: the Democrats are being ridiculous. This is the Schumer shutdown now. Sadly,
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Speaker 2: if you're inclined to agree with Democrats, if you're on
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Speaker 2: the left, you're listening to see it in you're listening
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Speaker 2: to MSNBC. You're in an echo chamber where everyone you
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Speaker 2: hear is saying, it's the horrible Republicans, It's the horrible Republicans,
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Speaker 2: and so I think that's part of the reason why
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Speaker 2: the two sides have very different percent I don't think
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Speaker 2: this is going well for the Democrats at all, but
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure they agree, because if they're just listening
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Speaker 2: to their radicals, they think it's wonderful. By the way,
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Speaker 2: their radicals would leave the government shut down for months
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Speaker 2: and months and months, because all they care about is
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Speaker 2: saying we hate Trump. Now here's how this is gonna end.
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Speaker 2: I don't think Chuck Schumer is gonna end it. I
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Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna show any leadership because I think
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Speaker 2: he is terrified. He is hearing AOC breathing down his neck.
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Speaker 2: What I think is going to happen is you're going
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Speaker 2: to need at least seven Democrats who decide, Okay, enough
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Speaker 2: is enough, let's reopen the government, let's stop this petulance.
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Speaker 2: And I think it is going to be almost exclusively
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Speaker 2: retiring Democrats, people who are on their way out and
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Speaker 2: Democrats who are not facing their left wing voters anytime soon.
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Speaker 2: My guess is Schumer never votes to open the government,
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Speaker 2: but I think he may condone. He may look the
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Speaker 2: other way and wink a couple of times at letting
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a jail break, at letting eight
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Speaker 2: to ten Democrats vote to say, let's reopen the government,
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Speaker 2: and I think all the rest of the Democrats vote no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: to preserve themselves from their left flank.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that Democrats will actually sit down with Republicans.
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Speaker 1: It's really something that hasn't happened. Certainly on the House side,
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Speaker 1: Democrats are saying and no, we have nothing to talk about.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that Democrats will be let out of
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Speaker 1: that jail once this No King's rally takes place? And
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Speaker 1: how quickly afterwards do you think we can actually see
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Speaker 1: that conversation begin.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, right now, Schumer is not talking with Republican
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Speaker 2: leadership at King Jeffries in the House is not talking
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Speaker 2: with Republican leadership. I don't think it will be Democrat leadership.
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Speaker 2: That there's a group of about a dozen Democrat senators
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Speaker 2: who are having conversations and they're talking a little bit
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Speaker 2: to Republicans. And I think the way this will end
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Speaker 2: is after the rally. And by the way, think about it.
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Speaker 2: If you're a federal worker right now and you're working
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Speaker 2: at say the VA, and you didn't get your paycheck today,
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Speaker 2: the reason you didn't get your paycheck is the Democrats
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Speaker 2: are scared to have a rally of radicals in Washington
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Speaker 2: while they allowed you to get your paycheck. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is pure left wing politics. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: Schumer's comment on this, he said, quote, every day gets
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Speaker 2: better for us, he said, quote every day the Republicans
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Speaker 2: refused to negotiate to end this shutdown, the worse it
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Speaker 2: gets for Americans, and the clear it becomes who's fighting
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Speaker 2: for them. That is their view, or that is at
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Speaker 2: least the view of the radicals. But I think what
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Speaker 2: you'll see is among that roughly dozen Democrats who are
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Speaker 2: having conversations right now, you'll see seven, eight nine of
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Speaker 2: them say Okay, let's open the government. And that's how
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Speaker 2: this ends.
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Speaker 1: Final question on this. The President today at the White
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Speaker 1: House did talk about, Hey, you better get ready come
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Speaker 1: Thursday Friday. You guys don't get back on board of
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Speaker 1: opening the government up, I'm going to start cutting democratic
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Speaker 1: programs because we think there's a lot of waste there,
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Speaker 1: not Republican programs. Is that the type of leverage that
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Speaker 1: we need right now?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 2: I was at the White House on Tuesday. I talked
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Speaker 2: with many Cabinet members. I talked with Russ Vode, who's
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Speaker 2: the head of the Office of Management and Budget and
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Speaker 2: he's in charge of the layoffs. And they've already started.
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Speaker 2: They've laid off thousands of federal government workers. And the
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Speaker 2: Trump White House has said the longer the shutdown continues,
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Speaker 2: the more government workers will be laid off, not furloughed temporarily,
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Speaker 2: but laid off. And they're going to focus on policies
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Speaker 2: and priorities that are inconsistent with the President's agenda, that
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Speaker 2: are Democrat priorities. And I think that leverage will accelerate
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Speaker 2: the Democrats saying Okay, we're going to stop holding the
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Speaker 2: government hostage, and we're going to allow the clean Continual
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Speaker 2: Resolution that the House passed weeks ago. We're going to
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Speaker 2: allow that to be signed to.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of the White House, as you just mentioned, you
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Speaker 1: were there with many Cabinet members that were in attendance
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Speaker 1: for a really I think special moment. You and I
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Speaker 1: had the honor and the privilege to go to the
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Speaker 1: memorial service for Charlie Kirk. What we witnessed today was
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Speaker 1: something incredible. Donald Trump awarded Charlie Kirk the Medal of
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Speaker 1: Freedom on what would have been his thirty second birthday
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Speaker 1: at the White House and his wife, his widow, Erica,
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Speaker 1: was there to accept this. It was a moving moment
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Speaker 1: and you were there for all of it.
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Speaker 2: So it was truly a beautiful It was a beautiful day.
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Speaker 2: It was a beautiful fall day at October at Washington,
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Speaker 2: d c. The sun was out. We were in the
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Speaker 2: Rose Garden, and in the Rose garden you had you
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Speaker 2: had a lot of members of Congress, you had virtually
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Speaker 2: the entire cabinet came out for it, and Erica Kirk,
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Speaker 2: Charlie's widow, was there. The President really, i think did
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Speaker 2: a very good job remembering Charlie, speaking speed from the heart,
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Speaker 2: honoring Charlie's legacy, and presenting him with the highest civilian
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Speaker 2: honor we have in this country and in the military context,
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Speaker 2: the Medal of Honor is the highest recipient that that
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Speaker 2: can be awarded an individual. In the civilian context, the
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Speaker 2: Medal of Freedom, it is the highest honor that can
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Speaker 2: be awarded an individual and to give it to Charlie.
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Speaker 2: It was bittersweet because Charlie would have been thirty two.
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Speaker 2: He was a young man. He had an incredibly bright future,
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Speaker 2: as you and I have talked about. We both have
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Speaker 2: known Charlie a long time. I considered Charlie a very
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Speaker 2: close friend. Heidie and I met Charlie when he was
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Speaker 2: just eighteen years old, when he was a kid, you know,
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Speaker 2: at the ceremony at the White House, I met Charlie's parents.
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Speaker 2: I had not met his parents before, and I had
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Speaker 2: an opportunity to just just tell both his mom and
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Speaker 2: dad say, look look, Hidie and I we love Charlie.
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Speaker 2: And when we got to know him fourteen years ago,
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Speaker 2: his vision then was as clear as it was the
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Speaker 2: day he died. His vision of creating a movement to energize,
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Speaker 2: to mobilize young people, to mobilize young people to love freedom,
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Speaker 2: to love, free enterprise, to love the Constitution, to love America.
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Speaker 2: That vision, you could see it. What I met at
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Speaker 2: me was this tall, lanky, eighteen year old kid, was
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Speaker 2: fresh out of high school, had not gone to college.
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Speaker 2: And you gotta remember the context. This is twenty twelve,
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Speaker 2: beginning of twenty thirteen, Barack Obama had just been reelected.
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Speaker 2: The Democrats were resurgent at that point. Young people being
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Speaker 2: a Democrat at an Obama democrat was hip and cool.
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Speaker 2: The idea of energizing a lot of young people to
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Speaker 2: be conservatives, frankly, sounded looney. It did not sound like
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Speaker 2: an easy task at all. A lot of people in
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Speaker 2: the Republican Party said this will never work. But Charlie
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Speaker 2: had a vision. And I was telling his mom and dad.
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Speaker 2: I said, look, his vision was extraordinary. One of the
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Speaker 2: things I said to them is I said, look, I'm
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Speaker 2: queer grieving the loss of your son. He was extraordinram
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Speaker 2: so sorry, so sorry for your loss. But I said,
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Speaker 2: you know what I think, in the last month, it
15:23
Speaker 2: may well be possible that more people have heard the
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Speaker 2: Gospel than in any comparable period of our lifetimes. That
15:32
Speaker 2: that memorial service in Arizona for Charlie was a global
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Speaker 2: event where people heard the gospel. And I got to
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Speaker 2: say at Charlie's funeral service when Erica stood up and
15:45
Speaker 2: she talked about how when Jesus was hanging on the
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Speaker 2: cross and he was looking down at the Roman soldiers
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Speaker 2: who had nailed him to the Cross, who were in
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Speaker 2: the process of killing him, and Jesus said, from the Cross, Father,
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Speaker 2: forgive them, for they know not what they do. And
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Speaker 2: she talked about how how Charlie really had a mission
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Speaker 2: for young people, particularly young men, young men who were
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Speaker 2: often disaffected, disillusion to help them find find their way
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Speaker 2: and find find a purpose in life, a meaningful purpose
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Speaker 2: that provides real, real satisfaction and real reason uh for living.
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Speaker 2: And she talked about that young man who shot Charlie,
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Speaker 2: that young man, and then she said, and I got
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Speaker 2: to say, she was doing this wind up. I knew you,
16:38
Speaker 2: knew where she was going. And I got to tell you,
16:41
Speaker 2: and I understand you and I were standing next to
16:43
Speaker 2: each other. I literally held my breath. I'm like, is
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Speaker 2: she going to be able to say this? And she
16:51
Speaker 2: stood up with with the eyes of the world upon
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Speaker 2: him and said, that young man, the young man who
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Speaker 2: pulled the trigger and murdered her husband, murdered the father
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Speaker 2: for children. She said, I forgive him. I don't know
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Speaker 2: that there was a dry eye in the house. And
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Speaker 2: one of the things that is so incredible is millions
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Speaker 2: of people were watching that and and listen, if you're
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Speaker 2: a Christian, you understand just like Jesus said, Father, forgive them,
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Speaker 2: for they know not what they do, even as they
17:28
Speaker 2: were killing him. But if you're not a Christian, I
17:35
Speaker 2: believe thousands, if not millions, of people looked at each
17:38
Speaker 2: other and said, how can she say that? Where does
17:41
Speaker 2: that come from? Where does that forgiveness come from? Where
17:44
Speaker 2: does that love come from? And I think it was
17:48
Speaker 2: as powerful a testament of the Gospel as as as
17:52
Speaker 2: as we have seen in a long long time, and
17:56
Speaker 2: and and and it and I got to say today
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Speaker 2: the President spoke beautifully. And by the way, when Erica
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Speaker 2: said I forgive him, Ben, I hope and pray you
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Speaker 2: or I are never in that situation. I don't know
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Speaker 2: that those words could come out of my mouth. I
18:14
Speaker 2: would want them to, I would desperately want them to.
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Speaker 2: But I that the strength it took for her to
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Speaker 2: say those words I find utterly astonishing. And I just
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Speaker 2: I told Charlie's parents, I said, listen, I so wish
18:34
Speaker 2: Charlie were with us today. But millions have heard the
18:38
Speaker 2: Gospel in the last several weeks because of Charlie, and
18:42
Speaker 2: that is one hell of a legacy.
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Speaker 1: tell me about this.
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Speaker 1: I've used it. It's amazing. I have it in all
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, you know, the stopping power is great, no
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a great case of how some
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Speaker 1: Burna dot com right now? You know, I think one
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Speaker 1: of the most incredible things that you just mentioned is
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Speaker 1: the legacy. And one of the things that the President
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Speaker 1: said today at the White House for people that didn't
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Speaker 1: hear it, was talking about Charlie Kirk being a martyr.
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Speaker 1: And this is what the President said about that.
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Speaker 4: Said on the day that he was assassinated. Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 4: was a martyr for truth and for freedom, and from
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Speaker 4: Socrates to Think and to Saint Peter, from Abraham Lincoln
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Speaker 4: to Martin Luther King, those who change history the most,
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Speaker 4: and he really did have always risked their lives for
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Speaker 4: causes they were put on earth to defend. He was
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Speaker 4: put on earth to do exactly what he was doing.
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Speaker 4: He didn't want to waste time. He would have been
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Speaker 4: a top student at any college in the country I know,
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Speaker 4: to college as well he's smarter than the guys. He
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Speaker 4: was so smart. But he almost I guess, didn't have
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Speaker 4: the time. He knew what he wanted to do. It
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Speaker 4: wasn't like Jae I want to sit in this classroom
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Speaker 4: for four years listening to people teach me liberal principles,
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Speaker 4: because they were never going to teach him that anyway.
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Speaker 4: But he didn't have the time. He really didn't have
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Speaker 4: the time. But every time the enemies of goodness and
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Speaker 4: virtue tried to silence the voice of righteous and noble
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Speaker 4: leaders like Charlie, they failed. They seem to fail. Ultimately,
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Speaker 4: they look like they're doing well, and then they end
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Speaker 4: up failing because the truth has been unrelenting over the years,
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Speaker 4: over history, and people like Charlie, it's just they've got
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Speaker 4: a power that others don't have, and very few people
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Speaker 4: will ever have. So today, like those martyrs before him,
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Speaker 4: Charlie's voice, his message, and his legacy are stronger and
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Speaker 4: greater than ever before. They are greater than ever before.
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Speaker 1: You know him saying as I said on the day
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Speaker 1: he was assassinated, Charlie Kirk was a martyr for truth
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Speaker 1: and for freedom, and I couldn't agree more. To compare
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Speaker 1: him as he did to Saint Peter, to Abraham Lincoln,
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Speaker 1: to Martin Luther King Junior. These are people that change history.
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Speaker 1: Charlie will be remembered in the same breath with those
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Speaker 1: types of leaders, and I think that's part of the legacy.
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Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, not only did Charlie and his
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Speaker 1: legacy now it is one hundred percent setting I think
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Speaker 1: young men and young women on fire to be bolder
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Speaker 1: in their faith, to be better Christians and to seek
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Speaker 1: the truth of the Bible and the Gospel. And just
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Speaker 1: what he was able to do in his death is phenomenal,
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Speaker 1: but also what he was doing to fight for this
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Speaker 1: country at the same time, that is going to be
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Speaker 1: a legacy that's going to live on because so many
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Speaker 1: people they are going to do it for Charlie. I
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Speaker 1: think you and I would include ourselves in that as well.
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Speaker 2: Well. Listen, he was very much He was a martyr
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Speaker 2: for freedom, a martyr for truth. I also told Charlie's parents,
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Speaker 2: I think more people heard Charlie's words of the last
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Speaker 2: four weeks that then heard them in the entire thirty
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Speaker 2: one nearly thirty two years of his life. That the
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Speaker 2: number of people who went and said, who was this
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk guy? What did he have to say? Who
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Speaker 2: listened to exchanges as he was on college campuses, as
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Speaker 2: he was engaging with people who disagreed with him, as
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Speaker 2: he treated them with respect, with dignity. That is a
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Speaker 2: powerful legacy. I will tell you. One of the things
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Speaker 2: that was also striking about the Metal of Freedom ceremony
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Speaker 2: is it was a continuation of a conversation that happened
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Speaker 2: at Charlie's funeral ceremony. So at the funeral, Erica Kirk
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Speaker 2: spoke and I mentioned how she said that she forgives
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Speaker 2: the murderer who murdered her husband, and she talks about
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Speaker 2: how Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. And you know,
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Speaker 2: Trump spoke at the funeral, and he gave, I think,
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Speaker 2: very strong remarks. But one of the things he said
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Speaker 2: is he said that's something he had a great deal
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Speaker 2: of difficulty doing, that he did not love his enemies,
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Speaker 2: that he hated his enemies, and he liked to fight
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Speaker 2: his enemies. And he kind of laughed about it, but
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Speaker 2: he said that, and and it was that was a
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Speaker 2: back and forth from Arizona. Well in the Rose Garden,
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Speaker 2: Trump brought it up again, and and look, President Trump
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Speaker 2: knew Charlie very well, and he said, you know, I
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Speaker 2: know Erica talked about how he loved his enemies. But
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Speaker 2: he said, you know, when I talked to Charlie, he said,
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I saw that. I think he like
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Speaker 2: when he was in a battle, he would fight, fight
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Speaker 2: his enemies and fight them vigorously. And listen, Charlie was
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Speaker 2: a strong man and a passionate man who knew what
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Speaker 2: he believed. But it was very interesting. Erica spoke after
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Speaker 2: the President in the Rose Garden and she gave beautiful remarks.
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Speaker 2: But one of the things she said that I think
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Speaker 2: was directly responding to the president. She said, look, I
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Speaker 2: can tell you from having been married to him, Charlie
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Speaker 2: prayed for his enemies. And she said I saw that.
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Speaker 2: She said, I don't know that anyone else saw that,
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Speaker 2: but she said, I saw him and he prayed for
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Speaker 2: his enemies. And and President Trump was standing behind her
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Speaker 2: right shoulder, and she said it was it was lighthearted,
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Speaker 2: but she was kind of she was in many ways
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Speaker 2: responding to the President. And he like laughed, He was
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Speaker 2: good natured, but he was genuinely laughing and it was
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Speaker 2: a look. I think it was a good back and
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Speaker 2: forth that that that we should be vigorous in what
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Speaker 2: we believe. We should not not give in uh to
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Speaker 2: to to those who argue for positions that are harmful
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Speaker 2: to America. We should be full throated in our argument.
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Speaker 1: But but I.
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Speaker 2: Also think that the message that Erica was carrying forward
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Speaker 2: about it's possible to disagree, and and look, you go
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Speaker 2: watch the exchanges Charlie had on college campus after college campus,
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Speaker 2: when when you would have someone come in and argue
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Speaker 2: for open borders, when you would have someone come in
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Speaker 2: and argue for socialism, when someone come in and argue
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Speaker 2: for transgenderism, when you have someone come in and argue
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Speaker 2: for for hamas terrorists. Charlie was vigorous and full throated
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Speaker 2: in disputing them, but he was not mean spirited about it.
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Speaker 2: He was not I hate you, he was not you're
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Speaker 2: the enemy. But he would engage in a way that said, look,
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Speaker 2: I understand why you're saying that. Here's why I believe
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Speaker 2: you're mistaken. And and I think Rika was right that
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Speaker 2: he was able to do so from a position of love.
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Speaker 2: Love does not mean agreement. Love does not mean saying
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Speaker 2: I accept the position you're advocating, even though I believe
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Speaker 2: it is harmful to our country. But love means not
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Speaker 2: treating your political adversary as the enemy to be destroyed,
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Speaker 2: but instead trying to respond with reason, with compassion, trying
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Speaker 2: to move, and even if you don't move, your immediate
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Speaker 2: interlocktur those who are observing it. Charlie was very good
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Speaker 2: at responding in a way that persuaded a lot of
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Speaker 2: other people. And I thought that back and forth Tuesday
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Speaker 2: between the President and Erica was really powerful.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would encourage everyone that is listening right now,
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Speaker 1: if you did not get to see as specifically Erica's remarks,
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Speaker 1: go listen to them, and go listen to Donald Trump's
28:28
Speaker 1: full remarks as we played one of the highlights here.
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Speaker 1: But there was a lot that was said and it
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Speaker 1: wasn't covered in the same way obviously that his memorial
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Speaker 1: was covered. I'm still in shock that we're a month
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Speaker 1: since we lost Charlie Kirk, but today was a very
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Speaker 1: special day. I'm so thankful that the President did this.
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Speaker 1: I'm thankful that his parents were there, that they got
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Speaker 1: to see how many people he influenced, the most important
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Speaker 1: people in our government the President of the United States
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Speaker 1: of America, and just to be able to hear from
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Speaker 1: people like you centered and to love on them and
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Speaker 1: to let them know that their son's life mattered in
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Speaker 1: such a big way.
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Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, Amen, don't forget.
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