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Isaac. Let's get into some news. We mentioned
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this, like this one got... Got in the lost tapes.
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But Tim Zhu has a new trainer. He's moved to
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a Cuban -style coach, Pedro Diaz, with Mundo
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Boxing. I don't know. How are we feeling? You
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think it's a good move? I think it's a good move
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in general. Just leave that toxic environment
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he was in. You know? They were kind of holding
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him back. I think that with the new trainer is
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a new beginning. And we might see another side
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of Tim Zhu we haven't seen before. What happened
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with Marcos Maidana when he went to Robert Garcia?
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Do you think Pedro Diaz is that level of fighter,
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though? No, I'm not saying that, but a new trainer
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can still bring out something new in a fighter.
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Fair, fair. When I talked about it with Shanada
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on Boxing Before Dark, Her reaction was that
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it's depending on what they tried to do with
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Tim. But the idea was that if he's going to a,
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like a Cuban style trainer, that they're going
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to try to make him into something that he isn't
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and that he could be trying to shore up his,
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his deficiencies rather than playing to his strengths.
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Yeah. Which I mean, Like, we've seen cases where
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both work in regards to, like, adjusting trainers
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and adjusting fighter development. But, frankly,
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like, with how Tim has been movement -wise in
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the past, I doubt that this is going to do anything
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but neuter his offensive gifts. I mean, you never
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know. He could just get tweaked here and there.
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I mean, from what I've seen from Diaz, I mean,
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he's not a bad trainer, but... No, he's not a
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bad trainer, but I don't think he's what Tim
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would need. No, yeah. But at the same time, it's
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like, what other trainers would work? You know,
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would we want to send him to bed, Davidson? You
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know? No, nothing in the UK. Actually, Andy Lee
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might not be... It isn't even a bad shout. Andy
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Lee's not a bad shout. Andy Lee's not a bad shout.
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Andy Lee would be a good candidate to train Tim
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Zu. Cuban style is also different now. Like,
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looking at... Yeah, aggressive, but it's still...
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More mobility -based? Yeah, that's the part that
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I'm like, I don't think Zu... Mobility is not
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something you associate with Tim Zu. Yeah. But
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you know what? You're right. The new era of Cubans
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is kind of crazy. It's actually really new. Really
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recent. You know, Morel and Osles. Yeah. Versus
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guys like Lara, or early Lara. Early Lara and
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Rigo. You know? Yeah. So, I mean, this new school
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of Cubans is a lot more, I would say, exciting.
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They bring a lot more power to the game. Oh,
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for sure. So, you know, Tim Zoo being a guy that,
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you can make fun of me for saying this, does
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have some good power. At 154. I think a good
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Cuban trainer that can utilize that properly,
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it will be fucking amazing for him. Oh, speaking
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of changes in the camp, AJ is bringing Usyk into
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his. And so this one, again, talking with Shinata.
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Rocky 3? Yeah, that's kind of what I was looking
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at. You're bringing your nemesis into camp because
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you lost the spark or whatever. There is no tomorrow.
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Unless you're fucking facing Dubois or Andy Ruiz.
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Oh my god. Because I was thinking AJ and Ruiz
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too. that type of AJ is something that Usyk could
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polish. True. But I don't think that style suits
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AJ. That doesn't suit his strengths. Yeah. So
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I'm not sure how this is going to play out. It
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could be just a publicity stunt. I mean, yeah,
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what can Usyk really do that no other trainer
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has done? Usyk's probably just fucking around.
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AJ was with RGBA. Ben Davidson. He had his best
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goal with Robert Garcia. Yeah. And if that was
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his best goal and he's with fucking Davidson
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now, he's cooked. I don't know what was he going
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to really train him on. Maybe he's a sparring
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partner? I mean, yeah, he's a sparring partner,
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but he's already fought him twice. I mean, yeah,
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I understand you learn from him, but I mean...
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What new word are you really going to learn from
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Usyk? What I mean is by being trained, by working
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with him. I don't think AJ is the most coachable
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either at this point. Exactly. What is he going
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to learn? Even if Usyk has the ability to adjust
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him, he won't take to being told this. You need
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to want to learn. Yeah, you have to be coachable.
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You need to be a sponge. AJ's not a sponge, he's
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a fucking rock. AJ's been... He's switched trainers,
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but really he's just looking for a level up without
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actually being coached. That's what it seems.
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The day AJ's going to be coachable is the day
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I fucking die, I'll tell you that. Who knows
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what Usyk could do, because you're bringing your
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nemesis into the camp, so it has to be a pretty
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big change of mentality to want to do that. I
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mean, yeah, but I just feel like that itself
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is just a publicity stunt just to get people
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excited. I feel like he's just watched too many
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movies. Yeah, I mean, realistically, can Usyk
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really... Best case scenario, what can you really
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do with AJ? Like I said, Ruiz 2, that version
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of AJ, that's about it. Even then, the best version
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of AJ was the two rounds he listened to Robert
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Garcia in his rematch with Usyk. That's probably
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the best AJ has ever looked. For some reason,
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he only did it for two rounds and then threw
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Robert under the bus. Yeah. I really doubt it.
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I mean, the thing is, I mean, we're saying this
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about AJ versus what we're talking about with
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Tim Zoo. The thing is that Tim Zoo, this is only
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going to be his, I think, second trainer, I believe.
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The pros. AJ's been with him. Yeah, AJ's been
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with how many trainers? How many guys has AJ
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been with? It was McCracken. Garcia, Derek James,
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Davidson. I think he's at four. How can you go
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with all these guys and not learn? That's an
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AJ problem. That's not something you can learn
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in training. It's something that he hasn't shown
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he's going to want to change. Oh, moving to Xander
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Zayas versus Abbas Baru. It's pretty much...
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It's all but certain for January, late January,
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it's going to be a unification of WBO and WBA
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titles. God, I don't have a very high opinion
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of Xander Zayas, but my opinion of him is still
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higher than Abbas Baru. Abbas Baru, I mean, I
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got to give him props for what he did last fight,
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going in as the underdog against the only notable
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MVP fighter. But the thing is that, like what
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you said, he hasn't really shown much or proven
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himself. And honestly, I'm going to be rooting
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for Baru because this is not a Mexican bias.
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I know he's not Mexican, and I'm not trying to
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hate on a Puerto Rican. I mean, I think Xander
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Zayas can be molded into a great fighter, but
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Xander Zayas being in the top -ranked protection
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program, he's not going to fight the other champions.
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He's definitely not going to fight Virgil or
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Boots. He's going to hold on to the title. Regardless
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of the top -ranked affiliation, which you've
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heard me express disdain for in the past, he's
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just not going to... Again, you've seen top -ranked
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guys who, at this point, in the present day,
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who want to move out, do, and take those fights
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that they need to, to show that they are what
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they are. Spread their wings, right? Yeah, like,
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I mean, you could even, as much as you want to
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say Giovanni Santon, before he lost to Norman,
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was a top -ranked protection guy, he fought Brian
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Norman, Brian Norman won, and instead of holding
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that shit hostage, he decided to go and fight
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Haney and go to Japan and fight. And fight. And
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Zayas is, as I fully agree with Saul here, he's
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going to take that title from Beru because Beru
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is not great. And he is going to hold it hostage
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because both Boots and Virgil likely do beat
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him. I mean, I agree with you. Don't make me
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start about Virgil, but I'm going to tell you
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this. I think Xander, the thing with Xander is
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that I see potential in the guy. I was watching
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his last fight, and you know what? If he can
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learn, first of all, he needs a better trainer.
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If he can get with someone that is in tune with
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the style. and that can fine -tune him, I think
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he would do great. I understand he doesn't have
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a lot of power, but he's pretty athletic. And
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he looks like he's got quick reflexes, or at
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least decent reflexes. He's not bad. He's a world
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champion, but he's also... WBO world champion.
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He's a world champion. Again, Baru is the weaker
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world champion at the division. Yeah, I agree.
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I agree, but at the same time, I mean, we both
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know he didn't fight a decent fighter for that.
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No, Fandora gave it up. Yeah, but he fought Garcia
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for it because it was vacant, right? Garcia Perez,
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yeah. Which, I mean, like, the fact that I don't
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mind. Like, for Zayas, it makes sense to be the
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unified champ and to be able to... I guess, hold
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that and dictate things on your term. But it's
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going to be a rotten shame that, again, we have
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two of the premier offensive talents in the sport
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who are the best in the division who do not need
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to... When they fight each other, they will not
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be fighting for a title. This reminds me a bit
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of Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather. When they
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fought, that was a huge fight, but that wasn't
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for a title. Obviously, it's not going to be
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as big as that fight, but it comes to mind when
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I think about it. I see the comparison. It's
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a different case. Guys will hold on to their
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titles for the Mayweather sweepstakes. Yeah.
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It's different. It's different here. 154 is becoming
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a bit of a money division because it's not unforeseen
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that the Rollies and the Ryans move up to 154.
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They ain't going to do that good up there, I'll
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tell you that. 154 is a different problem. It's
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not out of the realm of possibility that they
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just move up because all the guys are there.
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Especially with Ryan's issues with weight. The
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thing is, as much as I think Ryan can be a player
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at 147, you can clown me on this, as much as
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I think Ryan can be a player at 147, Him going
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up to 154, he's going to get annihilated by all
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the champions besides Zayas. Oh, I know. But
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that's the thing. Like, if you see the kind of
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vision, Zayas is 23. He picks up the second title,
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holds on to it, and then one of the money guys
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like Rowley or Ryan move up and you cash out
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there. I mean, yeah. Say what you will, like
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there's no cashing out against the Boots or Virgil
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just because they've been... Virgil's been stuck
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on the zone for how many years? And Boots, basically,
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he started his peak here right at the end of
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PBC. Right. So, who would you rather cash out
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against? Ryan Garcia, where you have a legitimate
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shot at winning it, too? Or get annihilated by
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Virgil or Boots for pennies? The thing is that
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I don't even see those fights getting made with
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Ryan. I feel like... Top Rank. I'm specifically
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on the case of Xander Zayas. I feel like Top
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Rank is not going to want him to fight any live
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dog at all for the next two years. And I don't
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blame him. Xander Zayas is not ready for those
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big fights yet. No. You know, but I mean, someone
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like Fundora, I agree with you because the same
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thing. I think if they're going to want to cash
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someone out, they're going to cash them against,
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you know, a cash cow. No. And I know that we
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keep talking about... I think it's the bill of
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a cash cow. That too, but... I think he fits
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the bill. Yeah. Well, they're not putting Fandora
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against live dogs either. And I don't know what
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they're doing because I live. So that division
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is being... Put to a halt. It's a little gridlock.
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Yeah, gridlock. It's kind of sad. He's fighting
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Josh Kelly. He is fighting Josh Kelly. But that's
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Josh Kelly. I'm not going to say you should fight
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down to your opponent's level, but if he's having
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trouble getting fights, take a page out of Bibble's
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book. Look human? Yeah, basically. Look lesser
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than what you are. You lure one of the guys into
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fighting you. Or their management more than the
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guy. And that's what it is. I mean, honestly,
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Mourna Zailov, he looks like a demon. He looked
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like a demon against Tim Zhu. I can't lie. If
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you saw Bivol and his HBO days, it was the same
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thing. This guy looked unbeatable, and then once
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he got in the zone and definitely slowed down,
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slowed down even more as Canelo was looking at
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another jump up. Canelo Bivol, it's a different
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Bivol than the guy who fought Craig Richards,
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clearly. Canelo didn't see that coming. Canelo
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obviously fought Bivol because he didn't want
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to fight better. And again, Bable was absolutely
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perceived as the weaker champion in the division.
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He's an easy guy to knock off. I mean, he just
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struggled with a couple British shitters. They
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considered him a cherry pick. And then, no. That's
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what I mean. But he's perceived as a cherry pick.
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And I'm not saying Bagram should fight down to
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the level of guys, but I'm saying if he looks
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like he's beatable, management might be wanting
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to take the jump on him. But to look beatable,
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you actually have to fight. He hasn't fought
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in over a year. Because right now he's fishing
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for big fights. But none of the big names are
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going to fight him. He needs to set... Go on
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a tour of Europe. You don't have to come to the
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States and fight the big guys. Go fight some
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British middle -eights. Drag up some guys from
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147. And it's honestly not even worth it to fight.
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Josh Kelly is the perfect example. Like, that's
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a perfect matchmaking if he decides to, like,
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carry Josh a little bit. I mean, I do really
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want to see Josh Kelly win that one, though.
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Just because, I mean, seeing that belt free from
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Murda Zaylov for I don't know how long he's had
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it. What, three years? Again, it's not his fault.
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It's not his fault no one wants to fight him
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either. He is the IBF. The IBF? The IBF has been
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champion for how long and he's only fought a
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couple times? Again, he can only fight who they
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put in front of him. The IBF will strip you if
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you don't fight your mandatories. They don't
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fuck around. So clearly, if he's held on, if
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he hits the WBC, you can run forever. Yeah. Oh
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yeah, 100%. But it's the IBF. It's the IBF. Which
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means no one wants to fight him. If you're getting
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no fights with the IBF, it means no one's there.
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I mean, they had Lubin, but they didn't want
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to pay for that. Again, the IBF will force a
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first bid. They make you fight. It's not a matter
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of... So what happened to that Lubin fight? I'm
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genuinely curious what happened to that Lubin
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fight. He opted for Ortiz instead. He opted for
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Virgil. Virgil, again, at least... Again, perception.
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It's important. Virgil just struggled with Boachuk,
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and the perception, again, is that he hasn't
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had a knockout at 154. He kind of struggled with
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Madrimov and Boachuk. Or you have a guy who just,
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like, nuked Tim Zhu. And then we'll talk about
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it on the next pod, but... The choice probably
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could have been better made. If you're Lubin,
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who is a guy who, out of everything, your chin
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and durability are not your strong points, who
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do you take? The guy with no knockouts at 154?
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The guy who put Tim Zhu from arguably a top three
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guy at the weight class into... Obscurity, basically.
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Back to the Australians? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean,
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oh, yeah, I agree with you. You're right. Marzallo
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is a lose -lose situation because if you beat
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him... Not a lot of recognition for it. Yeah,
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exactly. But if you lose to him, you're going
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to be sent back to obscurity. And the thing is
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that you beat him. It's probably going to be
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a close, grindy fight. And now, guess what? People
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want to fight you for the IBF title. Now there's
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mandatories in line. Or you lose and you never
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fucking fight anybody good again. Yeah. If it
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were any other belt, I would be like, okay, yeah,
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this guy's not fighting on purpose, but it's
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the IBF. No, yeah, I agree with you, yeah. Like,
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Pandora's not fighting anybody. He's fighting...
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He has the WBC, though, so he can... Listen,
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man, Keith Thurman is more competitive than Adonis
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Stevenson's title reign. I mean, yeah, I understand
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why they're putting up guys against fucking Pandora,
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but at the same time, yeah, Virgil, I can go
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over a million times, but I mean, Virgil's an
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interim champion. I understand that's not a mandatory,
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but he is ranked highly. Yeah, they have to call
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the mandatory. I get it. And the thing is that,
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I mean, we looked it up at the beginning of the
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day. The number one guy besides Virgil is a Frenchman
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from, obviously, France. But what was his name?
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Like, Wilshack? Zachary Samaki? Yeah, yeah, Samaki,
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Samaki, yeah. Like, I mean... He's got the WBC
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silver, I think. Yeah. I understand that, you
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know, he's ranked number one here. I guess he
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earned his way to the top, but... I mean, I...
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I don't know if you guys know who he is, but
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I don't. Oh, no. I don't. I've never seen him
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before. No, I know. It's a matter of some guys
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play the rankings game. And again, here's the
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negative of languishing on the zone for your
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whole career. You, on your own, don't command
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enough, I guess, attention to be able to make
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those rankings move. Especially with the WBC.
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They see dollar signs. I mean, not just... It's
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more profitable to milk... It's more profitable
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to milk Fundora for more stuff than for Virgil
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to be the new guy. But one thing you're missing
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out here is also not just going to DAZN. It's
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siding with a shitty promoter as well. But I
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mean, the thing is that if Goldenboy... If Goldenboy...
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Like, back when they were with HBO for a bit,
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right? They're on HBO. You watch him on HBO,
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he gets a profile there. I'm saying, like, the
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promoter is irrelevant if you're languishing
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on DAZN. He could have been with Matchroom or,
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like, whatever. And still, the problem is the
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same. You're on DAZN. You don't have enough attention
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to be able to make those rankings budge. There's
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no upside to you winning this title over Fundora.
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So you have the hard way up through the rankings.
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I'm curious. I don't know if you guys know this.
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What's Virgil's contract with Goldenboy and maybe
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DAZN? I don't know if he has a personal contract
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with DAZN, but what's his contract like? Because
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I still question why the hell he's still with
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Goldenboy. Let me see. Goldenboy contract. Because
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honestly, anybody else would have managed him
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better. We'll talk about him more in the next
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one. Yeah, we'll talk about him more next week.
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Yeah, I mean, the reason he's not finding any
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big names is also because he's not being managed
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right. He's not being promoted right. Yeah, again,
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Golden Boy doesn't have anyone to really put
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him in with. Yeah. Like, it just is. Like I'm
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pretty sure their big name was the most like
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the bigger bigger little step -up fight for him
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But 147 was gonna be Alexis Rocha, but Rocha
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never got up to that Kevin just didn't line up.
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He kept losing I mean he's still 147 the fight
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probably could have been him versus Ryan him
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versus rolling maybe but No, he he moved up.
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He moved up It would have been Rocha for the
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in -house, like, this is the future, but very
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clearly it became Virgil. It did not help that
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Michael McKinson held up his career. That was
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a good use of his time. That fight was both a
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waste of his fucking time, and it had to get
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rescheduled. A lot of times. First, you know.
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That was a waste of Stan Jonas' time. Well, is
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that really the fault of Virgil, though? If you
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can't make the weight, don't re -sign the fight
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repeatedly. Like, it wasn't his fault. I'll give
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him the benefit of the doubt the first two times.
26:29
But, like, by the third time it falls through,
26:32
like... Yeah, three is a pattern. Three is like
26:38
you should have moved up a while ago. You're
26:41
just wasting everyone's time. That's also kind
26:44
of why he fell under the radar for a while. His
26:47
career is... Again, that's what I mean. He doesn't
26:52
command the attention. Unfortunately, he's got
26:56
to earn it. Boots is at a pretty similar crossroads
27:01
because again... his window of commanding attention
27:06
was like, it's like right at the end of PBC and
27:08
now he's with Eddie Hearn. Yeah. I mean, you
27:12
have to fight each other. That's next week, though.
27:15
Yes. Let's keep moving. Back to the original
27:18
point about Zayas versus Abu. Yeah, Zayas -Baru.
27:21
The original point. Abu. I want to see that fight,
27:25
but I want to see Baru win just to not have a
27:28
top -ranked fighter hold those titles for years.
27:30
Yeah. Zayas is going to hold that shit hostage.
27:33
Yeah, I mean, that's the final take, is that
27:34
he's going to hold us hostage, and we're not
27:35
going to have him. It's a WBO and WBA. It's not
27:37
happening. Yeah. Oh, you know, speaking of holding
27:41
hostage, Tank is in legal trouble again. Tank
27:46
versus Jake is off. Tank... What a loss for the
27:50
sport, by the way. Was assaulted a young lady
27:55
that was a cocktail waitress at a strip club.
27:59
He was assaulting her over the course of several
28:02
months. He kidnapped her. Doesn't necessarily
28:08
mean that he put a gun to her head and threw
28:10
her in a car trunk, but he did strong -arm take
28:15
her away from where she was against her will.
28:19
We need to hold these men accountable. Seriously,
28:22
this is completely fucked up. We're beyond...
28:26
The way the others... You had plausible deniability
28:29
with how they got dismissed or whatever, but...
28:32
You really – this is beyond a pattern at this
28:40
point. It's – I mean, the first time – there's
28:45
literally a video of him holding his – putting
28:48
his hand on a woman's neck and holding it and
28:51
strangling her in a fucking basketball game,
28:53
nonetheless, in the public, okay? I mean, imagine
28:57
– he's comfortable doing that. In person, what
29:00
the hell is he doing in private, you know? Someone's
29:02
going to end up dead. What the fuck is wrong
29:03
with this dude? Yeah, someone's going to end
29:05
up dead because he's not being checked. Shanada
29:09
said that he would benefit from jail time. Like,
29:11
that's the type of thing that would straighten
29:13
him out. He should fucking rot in jail for what
29:15
he's doing. It's just, like, the jail time would
29:20
benefit him. Like, there just needs to be some
29:21
consequence. I feel like at every point, his
29:24
boxing talent and star power has just bailed
29:28
him out. And the yes men. So it keeps escalating.
29:33
Ergo, it keeps escalating. Yeah. Because, again,
29:36
like, you keep pushing the line. You keep pushing
29:39
the line. And nobody acknowledges it around him.
29:43
Nobody in the sport is acknowledging that this
29:45
man is doing terrible things. You know? How many
29:51
of the biggest box analysts, like, have you seen
29:55
Mike Coppinger? rectify this? Not rectify, what's
29:59
the word? Just talk about it. Yeah, just talk
30:03
about it in general. Have you seen him talk about
30:04
it? No. These big analysts haven't spoken about
30:08
it because they know he's the cash cow. The big
30:12
analysts, they risk no longer having access to
30:18
the fighter, but the thing is that they also
30:22
end up risking nothing because you can cover
30:24
the sport the same way. Exactly. If they have
30:28
a coordinated effort, you know? And the thing
30:31
is, I got to give props to Sean to tell because
30:33
that man don't give a damn. He's the only one
30:36
I've seen that has talked about it. Everybody
30:39
else, silent. Not even other boxers have put
30:43
this. Other boxers, it's whatever. You don't...
30:48
Yeah, it's kind of a silent... Not a gentleman's
30:52
agreement because there's nothing gentlemanly
30:54
about it, but it's kind of like... You don't
30:56
start bringing up legal troubles because, like,
30:58
then you just... You end up pointing fingers
31:01
at everyone. Yeah. Like... Implicit agreement?
31:06
If you go... Like, it's a... Like, what do you
31:12
say if, like... Unsaid agreement. Yeah, unspoken.
31:14
Yeah, it's a very unspoken agreement about that.
31:18
Because, like, what's the... There's no benefit.
31:23
And you're just going to have whatever your dirty
31:25
laundry is or your trainer's dirty laundry or
31:27
whatever. Like, let's say Haney Tank happens
31:31
and you start throwing shit at Tank about the
31:35
domestic abuse and then he gets shit back for
31:38
suing Ryan and working with Snack all these years.
31:42
And his dad being a pimp. Is that what he got
31:49
in trouble for? I didn't know that. Yeah, like,
31:53
Devin's dad is a pimp, and then he works with,
31:56
well, worked, because Victor Conte is dead and
31:59
buried. Oh, we gotta talk about that too. But
32:04
you get the point, right? Like, everyone either
32:08
is or has someone, and it's just, it's a waste
32:13
of time, and honestly, it's not even trash talk.
32:17
You're just tearing down the value of the fight.
32:21
Like, for the average fan, if one is a, like,
32:26
if both guys are reprehensible, you can't even
32:29
justify paying the ticket. So, I can't blame
32:35
other boxers for not speaking out, but on the
32:38
journalists who risk almost nothing, it's kind
32:40
of brutal. It's kind of their job to talk about
32:42
this stuff. Maybe they shouldn't be fucking pussies
32:45
and talk about the damn landscape of the scene.
32:48
I mean, come on. I mean, this is what we're here
32:51
for. No one's really going to look at us and
32:53
be like, oh yeah, they can't go to a fucking
32:55
our press conference. Are you going to threaten
32:58
me? Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, threaten us and
33:03
our fucking listeners? Like, come on. Fuck you.
33:07
We'll talk about it. This is our damn job. Tank
33:10
is a piece of fucking garbage. That's really
33:13
all there is to it. I'm going to say it right
33:16
now. Tank stuff was happening and like... I will
33:20
call out Fat Dan, but Fat Dan is out here talking
33:23
about the WBA. WBA, WBA. The WBA regular. He's
33:30
complaining about Cletus Seldon in the year 2025
33:33
instead of talking about the actual news and
33:37
then having conspiracies about how it wasn't
33:40
selling. I mean, honestly, I genuinely feel like
33:45
the WBA should strip Tank right now. Not because
33:48
of... Of this incident. But because it's not
33:52
going to allow them to fight for a while. Again.
33:55
This is going to be slipped under the rug. They're
33:58
going to settle out of court. It's going to be
34:01
slipped under the rug. And Tank's going to be
34:02
back. And it sucks. It's sad. It's just because
34:08
there's no optics. There's no optics nightmare.
34:12
Again. We rewarded Rowley. For being a serial
34:20
sex pest. Like, Roley's funny and he makes money,
34:27
so you rewarded him with repeated title shots.
34:34
For sucking at boxing and being a sex pest. So,
34:38
Hank, who is far, far more of a match fighter.
34:44
Yeah, like... Well, that's going to happen. I
34:52
don't know, man. I just genuinely think that
34:54
the amount of times that Tank's done this and
34:58
ruined fights, I don't know. I generally think
35:02
he's got to get stripped. And honestly, he's
35:05
not even sounding like he's going to want to
35:07
fight again. So why even have him as a champion?
35:09
That's holding up a division. But you know how
35:12
guys send out the WBAs with their fighters, especially
35:14
with the PBC as well. They won't do that for
35:18
fucking right till the end of next year. He doesn't
35:21
fight still. And that's being that's being generous.
35:25
WBA is just as bad as the WBC. Yeah. But overall,
35:33
Tank, do better, man. And the thing is, it's
35:37
funny because we said this the last time, too.
35:39
We wish the best. We wish the best for Tank and
35:41
hopefully he got like we would get through it
35:43
and that he could like find help. Yeah, get help.
35:45
There's no help in this, man. Yeah, not anymore.
35:47
There's no help. Twice in one year is fucking
35:50
crazy. It's not, it's not, it's a pattern. Like
35:53
what we were saying, it is a fucking pattern.
35:56
Hmm. Ugh. Well, let's leave that there. Um, tank,
36:05
we, we need to do better and hold, try, something
36:11
needs to change. And this guy needs to be held
36:14
accountable. Let's move into our recaps here.
36:19
Fucking ironic, maybe, but Michaela Mayer versus
36:24
Mary Spencer at the top -ranked card at the Casino
36:28
de Montreal. Only two fights that I picked up
36:32
off of this one were Arthur B. Arslanov getting
36:34
the UD over Sergey Lipinets. He did have Sergey
36:38
Lipinets at his mercy. pretty much the entire
36:41
time and he wasn't able to get the finish. It
36:44
was kind of weird. I don't know if you guys remember
36:47
this one. Not too much. It kind of fell on my
36:53
head. That's alright. The main one I want to
36:57
put on I already posted the article about it.
37:00
It wasn't televised apparently even though it
37:04
was rather interesting. Logan Cloutier. Cloutier,
37:14
yeah. Beating Thomas Chabot by a unanimous decision,
37:19
dropping him once in the process. We're probably
37:23
going to see him on some more undercards going
37:26
forward because he's kind of out of Canadian
37:29
opposition. Where does he go from here? Because
37:34
this was Eye of the Tiger, right? Yeah. The thing
37:39
is that, like, he's, uh, Chabot had a ranking
37:42
somewhere. Like, Chabot was supposed to be the,
37:46
the, like, Canadian guy at, uh, 130. Not no more.
37:55
So, not anymore. He was the favorite into entering
37:59
the fight and everything, apparently, too, which
38:00
is interesting. But, um, no, I think, genuinely,
38:05
like, it's time to give the step up. They probably
38:07
won't. Because it's either Tiger and Canadian
38:11
fighters will languish until age 35 and it's
38:14
too late sometimes. But especially at 130, I
38:20
think now is the time to really pick a belt,
38:25
get up the rankings quickly, and give it a go.
38:30
Yeah, we'll talk about it next time, but there's
38:32
the big unification coming up. The avenues to
38:39
a title are getting smaller. Yeah, especially
38:42
because he's 30. I will say he's definitely a
38:46
talent to watch at 130, but he's also 30 years
38:48
old. Yeah, pick a lady. He's got to pick a belt,
38:54
get a move on. But I think, at the very least,
38:57
he can be a very competent world -ranked guy,
38:59
if not a titlist. Oh, rounding off the card,
39:05
Michaela Mayer gets the UD over Mary Spencer.
39:08
I believe Mary Spencer held the WBA super welterweight
39:13
title, and then the WBC and IBF were added to
39:17
it as vacant titles. I think that's what it was,
39:21
but I just remember two extras were tacked on.
39:25
So Michaela Mayer, unified 154 -pound champ.
39:29
Congrats. Oh, moving to Saturday, November 1st.
39:39
Queensberry at the Co -op Live Arena in Manchester,
39:42
England. Fucking Lyndon Arthur pulls out the
39:47
majority decision over Bradley Ray. Fun fact,
39:50
this guy's name, Bradley, spelled Raya. That's
39:54
the name for the large birds, like ostriches
39:57
and emus. That's pretty funny. Shinata told me
40:02
about that. Probably the best part of the fight.
40:04
It's a fun fact, actually. It's pretty good.
40:07
Hey, the best part of the fight was Lyndon Arthur
40:08
getting dropped. In the second round. Yeah. I
40:13
thought he did really well to come back, though.
40:15
He boxed really soundly, worked intelligently
40:18
behind a jab. The jab was not missing at all.
40:22
That had Bradley on his haunches pretty much
40:27
the whole time in the second half. Bouncing that
40:32
Bradley ball around the court. Bradley Big Bird.
40:37
Fried the bird, you know? And Joshua Boazzi also
40:42
gets the majority decision over Zach Parker.
40:45
I was... On paper, he got it. Yeah, I was going
40:50
to say, I'm not too sure that's how it played
40:53
out in the ring, but... Yeah. This fight was
40:59
a stinker. It's not worth watching to score it.
41:02
Just take the word for it. Yeah. Zack Parker
41:07
got the dub in our hearts. Yeah. Realistically,
41:13
they're probably going to rematch because they
41:15
haven't earned shit, neither of them. Especially
41:21
at a pretty log -jammed light heavyweight division.
41:24
Yeah. They're probably going to end up rematching
41:29
each other, and then hopefully we get a less
41:31
controversial winner out of that. Or not. They
41:34
can fight each other forever, honestly. They
41:38
go by Morel. Maybe win. They're not winning against
41:42
Morel, I fear. No, they won't. And moving on
41:49
to the last card of the day, Matchroom at the
41:52
Caribbean Royale, Orlando, Florida. Some quick
41:56
ones. Nishant Dev gets the UD over Juan Carlos
42:00
Campos Medina. Pat Brown with a fucking, certainly
42:06
a knockout of all time over Felix Valera. Yoelvis
42:13
Gomez pulls out the split draw versus Entrevious
42:15
Ingram. And another fight of all time, Lanier
42:21
Pero versus Jordan Thompson. Lanier gets the
42:24
UD. It was a fight. These were all some of the
42:32
fights of all time. I really wonder how this
42:34
sold tickets. I bet they comp a lot of them at
42:41
the resort. The resort, you can definitely give
42:46
a lot of them away. Like what they do in Lackleby,
42:49
they give them away or they give. What they usually
42:51
do at Likely Me for the Eye of the Tiger cards
42:53
is they give you, like, a bonus at the slots
42:58
or whatever. Oh, buy a ticket and you'll get,
43:01
like, $100 in chips. Here's a credit. Here's
43:03
a betting money. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's
43:07
what they do a lot at Likely Me. It's a resort.
43:10
That's smart because they're going to make that
43:12
money back. Exactly. Yeah, like, they comp it
43:14
at the restaurant. Here's a, like, $50 voucher.
43:17
Go drive yourself nuts at the restaurant or whatever.
43:22
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43:25
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slash mwb. And now, previews. We got two cards.
48:05
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48:08
card. This one's going to be on ESPN Knockout
48:10
at the Arena Coliseo, the Coliseum Arena, San
48:16
Luis Potosi in Mexico. Starting the card from
48:22
the bottom up, Julian Montalvo versus Nicolas
48:26
Patron. Richard Torres versus Tomas Salek. That's
48:32
fun. Richard Torres is always a fun night out.
48:36
Can he fight someone who isn't? 411th on BoxRec.
48:43
Hey, 407th. Oh, excuse me. Put some respect on
48:47
his name, man. The fourth ranked Chechen fighter
48:50
on BoxRec. One of the best guys in the country.
48:58
Disappointing. Emiliano Vargas versus Jonathan
49:03
Montrell. My king. My king, Emiliano. This is
49:11
another. He's a young man working his way up.
49:14
I don't care. It's a 10 -round fight. He's really
49:19
stepping up. He doesn't. I don't mind the lack
49:23
of step up here. Great step up fight for him.
49:27
There's more offensive ones such as the Olympic
49:29
silver medalist who refuses to fight guys ranked
49:33
in the top 100. I generally wonder when they're
49:40
going to put him against a live dog. I mean,
49:42
Guido was a pretty good fighter. Guido counts.
49:45
Guido technically counts, but also that's the
49:47
whole point of Guido. Yeah, is that he's supposed
49:50
to technically count. He's supposed to give you
49:53
some rounds as a top -ranked guy. Yeah. Lindolfo
50:00
Delgado versus Gabriel Goyas Valenzuela. This
50:05
is a 12 -rounder. We talked about it a couple
50:08
times before. Yes, we have mentioned Lindolfo
50:10
before. He's a top -runner. Valenzuela. Oh, have
50:15
we? Yeah. We've talked about Valenzuela a couple
50:20
times. I remember his name. When he fought Gabriel
50:24
Matias. Yeah, when he fought Matias. That was
50:26
when we talked about him. And more glaringly,
50:30
the loss to Montana Love. Yeah, that's the one
50:36
that you look at and you're like, eww. Yeah,
50:39
that's a little ugly. Yeah, a little bit. That's
50:42
embarrassing. Maybe this guy is a no -hoper.
50:46
I mean, it's a top -ranked card. That being said,
50:50
I will say... The commentary is going to be so
50:54
good on this card because it's ESPN KO. You got
50:57
the Mexican commentators. It's going to be good.
51:03
Have faith. And topping it off, Rafael Espinoza,
51:08
WBO featherweight champion versus Arnold Kegai.
51:14
Where do I know Kegai? Kegai is ninth in the
51:18
WBO rankings. He had a fight with Joe Gonzalez
51:21
that he lost by split decision earlier this year.
51:25
He fought Laborio Solis in Germany? And in 2020,
51:30
Stephen Fulton UD'd him pretty convincingly.
51:35
That's where I know him. He's young, but as a
51:42
champion, like what we keep saying. He's 31.
51:46
He's for featherweight? Wait, wait, wait, hold
51:49
on. He's 31? Espinoza? Yeah, he's 31. He's 31,
51:55
so he's getting there for Featherweight. Oh,
52:00
hell no, dude. That's... 31 is a little too...
52:03
Yeah, no, he shouldn't be... He should be doing
52:06
better than this. Yeah. Yes. There's better guys
52:10
at Featherweight. And he's a good fighter, too.
52:15
Especially cuz it's not like it's a money division
52:17
like guys should be fighting each other That's
52:24
ridiculous honestly never mind I take back what
52:26
I said Who was I thinking of that's 26? Oh, you
52:30
know, I think I'm thinking about my team Angela
52:32
Leo Yes, I'm thinking Angela Leo. That's that's
52:37
ridiculous. Dude both Richard Torres and Raphael
52:39
Espinosa I can't judge Espinoza that much. He
52:45
has beaten Robesio Ramirez for a title. He beat
52:48
a legitimate titlist at the division. But who
52:52
are these guys that he's defending against? Yeah,
52:56
that's real conceited. I'm saying at the very
53:02
least, he earned his title. He definitely earned
53:06
his title against Rabiz Ramirez. I'm just saying
53:09
it's a little weird. 126 is always a little weird.
53:11
No fights happen until a surprise contender pops
53:16
onto the scene. We'll see what happens. That
53:22
division is going to light up when Inoue goes
53:25
up. Inoue and Nakatani coming up is absolutely...
53:29
Big brattle. Yeah. Any division they go to is
53:34
going to be better. That's the kiss of death.
53:36
Those two are going to blitz every champion in
53:38
the 126. They're going to give Narcan to that
53:42
division, man. I'll tell you that. Like, Nick
53:44
Ball's getting his head sent into the... He's
53:47
going to throw a roll by Inoue. Maybe not murder
53:51
him, but... Nick the Wrecking Ball 5 -2 is getting
53:56
sent into the stands by Inoue, I fear. Was it
54:00
on this pod that I mentioned we had that discussion
54:03
about Nick Ball in any way? I believe we've talked
54:07
about it before, yes. I think that Nick Ball
54:11
has a higher chance of hurting in a way than
54:15
most of the fighters he's fought. By kicking
54:19
him? Yeah, by kicking him. Going up another weight
54:27
division. He can make or break you, you know.
54:30
He's already been knocked down twice. And at
54:33
126. I will say by far, by more competent operators,
54:37
they've always been flash knockdowns from big
54:39
counters. I don't think Nick Ball, especially
54:45
because they're counters when Inouye's coming
54:47
forward. It's not like a guy's going into Inouye
54:50
and knocking him down. Yeah, that's true. That's
54:52
a different issue of durability. Inouye walked
54:55
into it and... Inouye gets walked into a big
54:59
shot by a competent... Which is not going to
55:04
happen with Ball. Ball doesn't have those wrinkles
55:09
to be able to walk Inouye into a shot. We'll
55:13
talk about it a little more next week. Inouye's
55:18
going to be fighting Picasso. Every time Inouye
55:20
fights a Mexican fighter, it's always that one
55:24
punch. The one punch that puts it down. Same
55:27
thing. If Ball had any semblance of craft, he
55:31
wouldn't have needed to start throwing and kicking
55:35
guys. He wouldn't have to rely on his other body
55:39
parts in his fucking fists. Yeah. That's what
55:43
I'll say. Other card that day. Matchroom at the
55:51
Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London. Oh, shit.
55:57
From the bottom up, Mikey Talon versus Fezzan
56:00
Shahid. Super flyweights. Richard Reakpour versus
56:05
Tommy Welch at heavy. Sam Gilley versus Ishmael
56:10
Davis at super welterweight. Jack Catterall versus
56:15
Ekau Essouman at welter. Adam Azeem versus Kurt
56:20
Scooby. That's super lightweight. I'm excited
56:25
for this one. That's going to be a really good
56:27
one, I think. Was Scooby that Jake Paul prospect,
56:33
or was he the overtime guy? Overtime. O -T -X.
56:37
Overtime, O -T -X. I was going to say, no, no,
56:39
Ashton Silvey was the Jake Paul one. He was the
56:41
most valuable. Yeah, the MVP one. Okay. And headlining,
56:46
Chris Eubank Jr. Rematching Connor Benn. 12 -rounder.
56:52
I'm assuming they're doing it again at middleweight.
56:54
but I'm not 100 % sure. Jesus Christ. I think,
56:59
honestly, that it's going to be not as good as
57:02
the first, but it'll still be a decent scrap.
57:06
It's a decent undercard as far as, like, Brit
57:08
stuff goes. Yeah, like, actually, I find Adam
57:12
Azeem and Kurt Scooby more intriguing. I agree.
57:18
I need Jack Ketterall to stop fighting. I can't
57:22
believe he's following through with a threat
57:24
to fight. I'll say this, though. I really want
57:28
to see Jack Cotterill fight just because of his
57:31
association with Bozy Ennis. We get to see how
57:35
good Bozy is? Oh, my God. I'm calling you right
57:39
now, Kate. Are we fraud -checking Bozy Ennis?
57:47
Jack Cotterill. actually learns from Bozy Edis,
57:52
he might just be a problem. Man, if he just turns
57:55
in the boots at us overnight because of Bozy,
57:57
like, I'm throwing in the towel. Like, that's...
57:59
I'm crying, dude. I'm crying and I'm creaming
58:02
at the same time. That's crazy. That'd be crazy.
58:07
Jack Catterall comes out of the Philly Shell.
58:10
I will, like, lay down the line for her. Philly
58:13
Shell, like, just has a chin now and power and
58:16
athleticism and just... Oh my god. That'd be
58:21
hilarious. And you know, Triple G had that Mexican
58:24
style. Philly style. The Philly cat. I don't
58:30
know what's funnier. If he looks really good
58:35
or if he just looks horrendous and comes out
58:37
with the silly shell. Like the Ryan Garcia silly
58:40
shell. Both would be hilarious. Oh, man. I had
58:51
a thing. I was talking with Shanada. I'm going
58:55
to be at this. I'm going. I'll be in the crowd
58:59
for this one. I'll be one of the two people cheering
59:02
for Kurt Scooby. Yeah. I got to get my sweet
59:08
Caroline in. I'm going to beat your ass, dude.
59:10
I'm going to beat your fucking ass. I'm supporting
59:13
Kurt Scooby. Oh, my God. Imagine. Azim should
59:20
win, for the record. He totally should. He should.
59:23
He's a decent prospect. I think he's a contender
59:28
at this point at 140. It's kind of like beating
59:33
Sergey Litvinets at 140, like in his actual weight
59:36
class. Yeah, that's not bad. That's a good one.
59:41
And 140 is very top -heavy. I feel like if he
59:55
looks good with Kurt Scobie, it's going to go
59:58
into one of the titles that is starting to free
1:00:01
up. What else do we have on the docket? Chris
1:00:10
Eubank and Conor Benn. Is there really much more
1:00:12
to say? It's probably not going to be as good
1:00:15
as the first. Here are the words. Two bums. Two
1:00:18
bums. Two bums. Neither guy is going to win a
1:00:25
world title. And honestly, they might just rematch
1:00:29
each other for the next four years until Eubank
1:00:32
retires. The fight I... Chris Eubank training
1:00:38
with... with Bomak. That's going to be interesting.
1:00:42
We've seen what happened before with Chris Eubank.
1:00:45
Bomak, that was a little nasty. We'll see what
1:00:48
happens. I'm also interested in that. It's just
1:00:51
Eubank's going to show up emaciated again, and
1:00:55
he's not going to have the leg strength to be
1:00:58
able to finish Conor Benn. You know what? It
1:01:07
doesn't help that he wears those fucking winning
1:01:09
gloves, like the winning pillows every damn fight.
1:01:14
Eubank does? Eubank does. His hands cannot be
1:01:18
that shop -worn that he can't put on some Mexican
1:01:20
leather and actually hurt Ben. I mean, at least
1:01:25
put on some grants. Come on. Yeah, like, some
1:01:28
grants or some rivals. Like, you don't even,
1:01:30
like, I'm not saying put on some Reyes. Like,
1:01:31
at least some Everlasts. Yeah. Winnings? The
1:01:37
only person that I know of that wears winnings
1:01:41
is Inouye. Partly brand sponsorship, I expect.
1:01:47
Hank knocked out Leo Santa Cruz with a pair of
1:01:53
winnings on. Goodness gracious. That knockout
1:01:57
was with a pair of winnings on. Sent him to the
1:02:01
Shadow Realm with them? Yeah. So, that's what
1:02:05
I mean. There's two guys who can actually punch
1:02:07
with power with a pair of winnings on. And Eubank
1:02:12
is neither of them. So, like, I think, like,
1:02:18
just put on some real gloves, man. It's like,
1:02:20
like, especially if Eddie Hearn's going to block
1:02:23
your ambulance. Like, you want to be in and out
1:02:26
of there quickly. Do we think Eddie blocks the
1:02:31
ambulance again? No, I don't think he'll do it
1:02:35
again. Again? That was probably the best. The
1:02:41
first fight was good, but I'm saying in terms
1:02:43
of actual boxing consequences following the fight,
1:02:47
that was the funniest. You guys seen The Dark
1:02:50
Knight? That's what Eddie's gonna do to the hospital.
1:02:59
Evacuate it so it can be blown up? Yep. Just
1:03:03
to not have Chris Eubank get to a fucking the
1:03:08
nearest hospital. Yeah. Jesus. Oh well. Two bums.
1:03:18
Two bums. They're never going to win a world
1:03:20
title. Three bums. Howard Foster. Is Howard Foster
1:03:26
refereeing this fight? I don't even know. I'm
1:03:28
just saying some bullshit. That would be... I'm
1:03:33
going to check, see if it's been announced. I'm
1:03:35
going to check. That would be funny, though.
1:03:39
Chris Eubank. Victor Law. Nope, that's the first
1:03:44
one. Let's see. I don't see one. If it's Howard
1:03:50
Foster, that's actually crazy. I predicted it.
1:03:53
Crazy as pool. I'm gonna kill myself. I gotta
1:03:57
see Howard Foster. Fuck up another fight again.
1:04:04
Howard fucking Foster. That's all we got on the
1:04:11
docket, though. Yep. Hold on. What? See if those
1:04:18
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1:04:20
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1:04:27
Oh, I haven't seen it. I can't find it. Oh, well,
1:04:35
we'll find out once they're in the ring and we
1:04:36
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