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James Comey Indicted! · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Former FBI director James Combing. He's in serious trouble, indicted
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Speaker 1: now on two counts, and the charges that have been
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Speaker 1: brought against him are significant. It also comes from a
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Speaker 1: hearing that happened in front of Judiciary Center. Ted Cruz
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Speaker 1: is going to be a very important part of this
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Speaker 1: entire case because of the questioning of James Comber about
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Speaker 1: five years ago. Now, why is this happening now? The
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Speaker 1: statue of limitations is running out? And is it going
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Speaker 1: had to say as we sat down and talked about this.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen, all right, So, Senator, I want to
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Speaker 1: start with this clip, and I think this is a
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Speaker 1: great starting point for this indictment of the former FBI
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Speaker 1: director James Comey. This is you questioning Comy back in
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Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty. This is the back and forth
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Speaker 1: between the two of you. Everyone listening. This is really
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Speaker 1: an important part of history now and going to probably
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Speaker 1: be an important part of this case.
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Speaker 2: To another topic. On May third, twenty seventeen, in this committee,
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Speaker 2: Chairman Grassley asked you point blank quote, have you ever
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Speaker 2: been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating
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Speaker 2: to the Trump investigation of the Clinton investigation. You responded
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Speaker 2: under oath quote never. He then asked you, quote, have
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Speaker 2: you ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be
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Speaker 2: an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation
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Speaker 2: or the Clinton administration? You responded again under oath No. Now,
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Speaker 2: as you know, mister McCabe, who works for you as
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Speaker 2: publicly and repeatedly stated that he leaked information to the
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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal and that you were a directly aware
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Speaker 2: of it and that you directly authorized it. Now, what
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Speaker 2: mister McCabe is saying and what you testified to this
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Speaker 2: committee cannot both be true. One or the other is false.
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Speaker 2: Who's telling the truth?
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Speaker 3: I just can only speak to my testimony. I stand
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Speaker 3: by what the testimony you summarized that I gave in
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Speaker 3: May of twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 2: So your testimony is you've never authorized anyone to leak.
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Speaker 2: And mister mccab if he says contrary, is not telling
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Speaker 2: the truth. Is that correct?
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Speaker 3: Again, I'm not going to characterize Andy's testimony, but mine
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Speaker 3: is the same.
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Speaker 2: Today, all right, I'm going to make a final point
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Speaker 2: because my time has expired. This investigation of the president
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Speaker 2: was corrupt. The FBI and the Department of Justice were
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Speaker 2: politicized and weaponized, and in my opinion, there are only
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Speaker 2: two possibilities that you were deliberately corrupt or willfully incompetent,
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Speaker 2: and I don't believe you were incompetent. This has done
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Speaker 2: severe damage to the professionals and the honorable men and
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Speaker 2: women at the FBI, because law enforcement should not be
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Speaker 2: used as a political weapon.
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Speaker 1: All right, So you listen to that, and then you'll
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Speaker 1: look at the indictment. Count one false statement to the
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Speaker 1: US Senate that he had not quote authorized someone else
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Speaker 1: of the FBI to be an anonymous news source. Count two,
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Speaker 1: call me obstructed the Senate Judiciary Committee's investigation through his
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Speaker 1: quote false and misleading statements. That is a big smoking gun.
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Speaker 2: Well it is. It's the basis of the indictment and
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Speaker 2: this will be the central focus of the trial. Now.
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Speaker 2: James Comy put out a statement tonight on Instagram, and
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Speaker 2: his statement is striking in that it is a political statement.
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Speaker 2: It is not a statement about the facts of the law.
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Speaker 2: So give a listen to what James Comby said this
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Speaker 2: evening in response to the indictment.
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Speaker 3: My family and I have known for years that there
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Speaker 3: are costs to standing up to Donald Trump, but we
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Speaker 3: couldn't imagine ourselves living any other way. We will not
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Speaker 3: live on our knees, and you shouldn't either. Somebody that
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Speaker 3: I love dearly recently said that fear is the tool
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Speaker 3: of a tyrant, and she's right. But I'm not afraid,
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Speaker 3: and I hope you're not either. I hope instead you
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Speaker 3: are engaged, You are paying attention, and you will vote
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Speaker 3: like your beloved country depends upon it, which it does.
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Speaker 3: My heart is broken for the Department of Justice, but
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Speaker 3: I have great confidence in the federal judicial system, and
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Speaker 3: I'm innocent, So let's have a trial.
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Speaker 1: I love how he is a victim there and acting
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Speaker 1: like he's above all of this. But center, let's just
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Speaker 1: go back to three point thirty of twenty three. James
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Speaker 1: Comy tweeted out, quote, it's been a good day. That
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Speaker 1: is how I reacted to trumping and died in the
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Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg hush money case. So to act like he's
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Speaker 1: some sort of guy that's above all this, look at
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Speaker 1: his own words.
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Speaker 2: Well, his statement he put out in response to this
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Speaker 2: that could have been given by Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi,
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Speaker 2: or Keing, Jeffries, or any other political Democrat, and in fact,
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Speaker 2: he makes a call come out and vote. It's a
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Speaker 2: get out the vote message. This is a former director
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Speaker 2: of the FBI. But to give you a sense of
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Speaker 2: just how much he loathes Donald Trump, this is a
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Speaker 2: former director of the FBI who tweeted out to the
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Speaker 2: world a picture of shells spelling out eighty six forty seven,
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Speaker 2: in other words, slang for kill the current President of
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Speaker 2: the United States, Donald J. Trump. To say, calling for
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Speaker 2: the murder of the sitting president is not appropriate for
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Speaker 2: the former FBI director. In an ordinary time, that would
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Speaker 2: be such an obvious statement that nobody would even think
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Speaker 2: to say it. But that's just how much James Comy
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Speaker 2: loathes Donald Trump. And understand. When Trump became president the
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Speaker 2: first time in January of twenty seventeen, President Trump unfortunately
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Speaker 2: made a serious mistake, which is he left James Comy
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Speaker 2: in office. In hindsight, on January twentieth, twenty seventeen, President
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Speaker 2: Trump should have called James Comy and said thank you
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Speaker 2: for your service to the nation. Your services are no
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Speaker 2: longer required. I am certain President Trump wishes he had
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Speaker 2: done that. I think the White House team believed that
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Speaker 2: Komy could focus on law enforcement could not be politicized,
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Speaker 2: and that assumption proved to be in error. James Comy
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Speaker 2: presided over weaponizing and politicizing the FBI. He was part
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Speaker 2: of weaponizing and politicizing the Department of Justice. And it
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Speaker 2: was because they hated Donald Trump, and frankly, they were
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Speaker 2: angry at the American people for electing him in twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 2: and so the FBI set out to try to attack
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Speaker 2: and to try to ultimately remove from office the President
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Speaker 2: of the United States. Now, again this should not bear saying,
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Speaker 2: but it is not the job of law enforcement to
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Speaker 2: determine the will of the voters. Is wrong, and the
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Speaker 2: elected president should no longer be president. But that's what
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Speaker 2: Comy presided over. And so when I listen to him
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Speaker 2: say I weep for the Department of Justice, it really is.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's a Yiddish word, hootspot. And I got
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Speaker 2: to say, James Comy really ought to have a T
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Speaker 2: shirt with that printed on it, because he is grieving
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Speaker 2: for the Department of Justice. Why because he has been
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Speaker 2: indicted for what I think is clearly a felony, and
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Speaker 2: we're going to break down in just minutes, Why exactly
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Speaker 2: this is a felony, what the crime is. And I
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Speaker 2: want to point out nowhere in his statement does Comy
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Speaker 2: get into the actual facts. Nowhere in the statement does
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Speaker 2: he get into what he did. Nowhere in the statement
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Speaker 2: does he get into the law. He just gives a
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Speaker 2: political statement. He will not be on his knees. He
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Speaker 2: calls Trump a tyrant who is ruling by fear. Look,
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Speaker 2: this is an indictment that was returned by a grand
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Speaker 2: jury in the Commonwealth of Virginia, and it was returned
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Speaker 2: because of I believe clear evidence demonstrating Comy committed felonies.
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Speaker 1: Senator, I want to bring up a point that no
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Speaker 1: one in the media has brought up so far about
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Speaker 1: this indictment. And I brought it up on CNN and
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Speaker 1: they were like all deer in headlights, there is something
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Speaker 1: about this case. And they were saying, Oh, this is
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Speaker 1: just political retribution by Donald Trump that clearly they weren't
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Speaker 1: going to bring this case. He had to fire the
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Speaker 1: person in charge of this office in Virginia, had to
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Speaker 1: put in somebody that would weaponize the DOJ.
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Speaker 4: Here's the fact that most people don't know.
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Speaker 1: James Comy's own son in law was literally inside the
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Speaker 1: prosecutor's office that was tasked.
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Speaker 4: Just think about this with indicting his father in law.
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Speaker 1: And so when you say it there and I look
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Speaker 1: at this, I'm like, man, the deep state got together
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Speaker 1: to protect James Comy at all costs.
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Speaker 4: And as soon as the indictment came out later in the.
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Speaker 1: Day, James Comy's son in law then gave his resignation
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Speaker 1: letter because I guess he just couldn't stop what was inevitable.
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Speaker 2: Well, and look, I think what should govern this case
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Speaker 2: is the facts and the law. And I believe James
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Speaker 2: Comy should have been indicted five years ago, and indeed
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Speaker 2: I called upon him to be indicted five years ago.
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Speaker 2: So let me lay out the facts and in December
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty. So the questioning that we played in
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Speaker 2: the first segment was September thirtieth of twenty twenty. And
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Speaker 2: by the way, the reason the indictment was brought right
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Speaker 2: now is the statute limitations was going to run next
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Speaker 2: week and so they had to bring it before the
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Speaker 2: end of the statute limitations or they would not be
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Speaker 2: able to charge him. But on December tenth of twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: here's the letter that I sent to Bill Barr, then
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Speaker 2: the Attorney General of the United States, and Christopher Ray,
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Speaker 2: who was then the director of the FBI. Days before
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Speaker 2: the presidential election in twenty sixteen, a Wall Street Journal
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Speaker 2: article quoted an anonymous source confirming the existence of a
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Speaker 2: probe into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server
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Speaker 2: while serving as Secretary of State, an investigation that up
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Speaker 2: to that point, mister Comy and the FBI declined to confirm.
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Speaker 2: We now know that this leak was authorized by then
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Speaker 2: Deputy Director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe. Mister McCabe initially
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Speaker 2: told FBI agents under oath that he did not authorize
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Speaker 2: the leak and he did not know who did, but
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Speaker 2: when confronted later with contrary evidence, he confessed both to
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Speaker 2: knowing about and authorizing the leak. We do not know, however,
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Speaker 2: whether and to what extent then FBI Director Comy was
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Speaker 2: aware of and authorized this leak. After the fact, mister
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Speaker 2: Comy has repeatedly stated, I'm sorry. Mister McCabe has repeatedly
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Speaker 2: stated that mister komy knew of and effectively authorized the
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Speaker 2: leak by approving it. He told the Office of Inspector
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Speaker 2: General that quote he and Komy discussed the October thirtieth
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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal article in person on October thirty first,
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and that at that meeting, quote he told
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Speaker 2: Comy that he had authorized ad slash Opa and Special
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Speaker 2: Council to disclose the account of the August twelfth call
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Speaker 2: and did not say anything in any way to suggest
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Speaker 2: that it was unauthorized. According to mister McCabe, mister Komy
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Speaker 2: quote did not react negatively, just kind of accepted it,
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Speaker 2: and quote thought it was a good idea that they
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Speaker 2: presented this information to the media. He again reiterated mister
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Speaker 2: Comy's involvement at a hearing last month at the Senate
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Speaker 2: Judiciary Committee. I asked mister McCabe. According to The Washington
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Speaker 2: Times April eighteenth, twenty eighteen, mister McCabe insisted that he
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Speaker 2: told his boss that he had authorized disclosure about the
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Speaker 2: Clinton investigation, but mister Comy has denied this claim, and
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Speaker 2: mister McCabe told investigators that mister Comy knew he had
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Speaker 2: authorized disclosure and agreed it was a good idea. Is
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Speaker 2: that accurate? Is that your testimony to this committee? Mister
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Speaker 2: McCabe replied, that is my recollection. Mister Comy, however, has
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Speaker 2: sworn under oath that he has neither authorized the leak
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Speaker 2: nor knew of mister McCabe's involvement. At a May twenty
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Speaker 2: seventeenth hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Grassley asked,
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Speaker 2: mister Comy, have you ever been an anonymous source in
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Speaker 2: news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation or
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Speaker 2: the Clinton investigation. Mister Comy replied never. Senator Grassley then asked,
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Speaker 2: have you ever authorized some someone else at the FBI
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Speaker 2: to be an anonymous source in news reports about the
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Speaker 2: Trump investigation or the Clinton administration? He testified no. And
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Speaker 2: this October that a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, mister Komy testified,
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Speaker 2: in response to my questioning, quote, I stand by the
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Speaker 2: testimony that you summarized that I gave in May of
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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. Mister Komy's denial in front of the Senate
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Speaker 2: is consistent with his statement to the OIG. He told
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Speaker 2: the OIG that quote, he recalled seeing this article, but
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Speaker 2: he did not know how the disclosure about the paidag
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Speaker 2: call in the October thirtieth article happened. He said that
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Speaker 2: he was quote very concerned about that part of the article.
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Speaker 2: Komy told OIG he considered the disclosure about the paidag's
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Speaker 2: call problematic because it related the sensitive FBI information. The
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Speaker 2: OIG report continues, quote according to Komy, he discover us
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Speaker 2: the issue with mccab after the article was published, and
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Speaker 2: at the time mccab quote definitely did not tell me
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Speaker 2: that he authorized the disclosure of the paidag call. Comy
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Speaker 2: said that mccab gave him the exact opposite impression. Mister
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Speaker 2: Comy asserted that he took from whatever communication they had
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Speaker 2: that mister mccab wasn't involved in the leak. And here's
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Speaker 2: what's critical. Mister Comy and mister McCabe's statements are irreconcilably contradictory.
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Speaker 2: Mister mccab says that he told mister Comy of the
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Speaker 2: leak and that mister Comy approved, effectively authorizing the leak
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Speaker 2: after the fact. Mister Comy, on the other hand, has
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Speaker 2: said that he neither authorized the leak nor knew of
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Speaker 2: mister McCabe's involvement. One of them is lying under oath
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Speaker 2: a Federal crime eighteen USC. Section sixteen twenty one. The
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Speaker 2: American people deserve to know who those are the facts,
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Speaker 2: and it is a simple binary choice. Either James Comy
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Speaker 2: lied under oath and committed to felony, or Andrew McCabe
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Speaker 2: lied under oath or committed to felony. Because what they
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Speaker 2: said is precisely opposite. There is not a world in
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Speaker 2: which neither of them committed a felony. And the only
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Speaker 2: choice is which one broke the law by bringing this indictment. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: the Department of Justice has determined it was James Comy
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Speaker 2: who lied under oath and broke the law, and that's
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Speaker 2: what the trial will be all about.
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Speaker 4: All right, Senator.
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Speaker 1: So here's what I've been hearing on online from the media.
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Speaker 1: They're like, hey, Donald Trump weighed in on this too much.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna get this thing kicked out before it even
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Speaker 1: goes to a judge. This is a waste of the
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Speaker 1: American taxpayer's dollars. And then if that's not enough, they say, well,
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Speaker 1: no one ever gets indicted and they actually go forward
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Speaker 1: and get a conviction on someone lying to Congress because well,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people lie to Congress, and even if
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Speaker 1: you did lie, it may have been a mistake. It's
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Speaker 1: gonna be very hard to get a conviction. Break down,
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Speaker 1: how this could roll out in court, what could happen?
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Speaker 2: Well, at the end of the day, the factual predicate
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Speaker 2: behind this crime is not terribly complicated. As I mentioned,
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Speaker 2: there's a direct contradiction between James Comey's testimony under oath
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Speaker 2: before the Senate and Andrew McCabe's testimony under oath before
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Speaker 2: the Senate. They cannot both be true. One or the
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Speaker 2: other is deliberately lying. And how do we know which
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Speaker 2: one is likely to be lying? Well, the FBI, in
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Speaker 2: all likelihood, possesses the information that confirms who's telling the
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Speaker 2: truth and who's lying. Indeed, if you look at the
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Speaker 2: account of what occurred, mckab initially told the same lie
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Speaker 2: that Komy did. Mckayb initially said he didn't leak the information. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: he didn't authorize it and he didn't know who did.
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Speaker 2: But then the FBI Office of Inspector General confronted him
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Speaker 2: with contrary evidence. I don't know what the contrary evidence is,
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Speaker 2: but they put in front of him, mister McCabe, you
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Speaker 2: said you didn't leak this information. Well, boom, here's the
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Speaker 2: evidence to the contrary And what did McCabe do oh crap,
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Speaker 2: you got me. Okay, you're right, I leaked it. I'm
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Speaker 2: the one who did it, and I talked to Comy
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Speaker 2: about it. I told him about it. So he admitted
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Speaker 2: that when he was caught in a lie. I don't
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Speaker 2: know specifically what confirming evidence the FBI in the Department
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Speaker 2: of Justice has, but they have enough that they caused
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Speaker 2: McCabe to reverse his first lie and instead to say, yes,
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Speaker 2: he did it, and Comy knew about it. And so
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Speaker 2: between the two, you know, it was interesting. When I
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Speaker 2: was questioning Comy, he said a couple of times, well,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to characterize, as he put it, Andy's testimony. Well,
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Speaker 2: I get politically that's a smart move, not to characterize
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Speaker 2: Andy's testimony. But you know what, his entire legal defense
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Speaker 2: is going to be, McCabe is lying because he doesn't
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Speaker 2: have an alternative. That's his only argument is when McCabe said, under.
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Speaker 4: Oath, good point that I know about it.
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Speaker 2: Comy's defense team is going to have to say McCabe
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Speaker 2: was lying. And by the way, mccab is going to
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Speaker 2: be the star witness at the prosecution. The prosecution is
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Speaker 2: going to put Andy McCabe on the stand and he's
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Speaker 2: going to ask them, did you leak it? Now, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to predict Andy McCabe is going to say, yes,
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Speaker 2: did you talk to James Comy about it? Yes? Did
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Speaker 2: he authorize it? Yes? And the reason I'm going to
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Speaker 2: predict he's going to do all of that is because
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Speaker 2: Andy McCabe testified to that in front of Congress, and
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Speaker 2: if he gives any other answer, he'll be indicted for
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Speaker 2: lying to Congress. So he can't have it both ways.
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Speaker 2: And I expect that Comy's lawyer will try to cross
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Speaker 2: examine him, and we'll try to argue McCabe is lying.
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Speaker 2: But it's very difficult to see why McCabe would have
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Speaker 2: any incentive to lie. He and Comy were thick as thieves.
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Speaker 2: He was only forced to admit the truth when confronted
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Speaker 2: with contrary evidence. Again, we don't know what that evidence is,
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Speaker 2: but presumably the FBI and the Department of Justice do so.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it is contemporaneous phone calls, perhaps
21:15
Speaker 2: with the reporters. I don't know if it is notes.
21:17
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's emails. I don't know if
21:19
Speaker 2: it's testimony from someone else at the FBI. Who said, Hey,
21:22
Speaker 2: Andrew McCabe told me to do this. But it is something,
21:26
Speaker 2: and it was something that was compelling enough that it
21:30
Speaker 2: caused Andrew McCabe to abandon line number one. And and
21:35
Speaker 2: so at the end of the day, this is not
21:38
Speaker 2: a complicated factual case. This is not some grand tapestry.
21:42
Speaker 2: It's a he said, he said, she said. But you
21:47
Speaker 2: have both testimonies under oath, and it's going to be
21:50
Speaker 2: a question of what additional evidence is there to confirm
21:53
Speaker 2: who's telling the truth and who's not. I also think
21:56
Speaker 2: I will be surprised if James Comey's lawyer puts him
22:02
Speaker 2: on the stand. Now, under our justice system, the prosecution
22:06
Speaker 2: cannot force a defendant to testify. But I'm going to
22:11
Speaker 2: predict James Comy is not going to take the stand
22:14
Speaker 2: because if he takes the stand, he can be cross examined,
22:18
Speaker 2: and he does not want to be cross examined, because
22:21
Speaker 2: this is someone who presided over weaponizing the Department of
22:26
Speaker 2: Justice with the objective of taking out Donald J. Trump
22:31
Speaker 2: and getting under oath, getting cross examined by a skilled
22:34
Speaker 2: trial attorney, and again under oath. By the way, if
22:37
Speaker 2: he lies in his trial testimony, he can be indicted
22:39
Speaker 2: and prosecuted again for lying under oath. Again, I don't
22:43
Speaker 2: think his lawyer will do that. And so at the
22:46
Speaker 2: end of the day, look, the press is going to
22:48
Speaker 2: go on and on and say, well, Trump hates James Comy.
22:51
Speaker 2: That is certainly true, but being hated by the President
22:55
Speaker 2: is not enough to exonerate you from criminal conduct. And
22:58
Speaker 2: in this instance, I believe Comy should have been indicted
23:02
Speaker 2: five years ago because it was clear he had deliberately
23:06
Speaker 2: lied to Congress. And look, we started by playing my
23:09
Speaker 2: cross examination. This wasn't an absent minded lie. This wasn't oh,
23:15
Speaker 2: I'm not paying attention. This was careful, This was deliberate,
23:19
Speaker 2: this was strategic, this was planned. I believe this was
23:23
Speaker 2: James Comy saying, I face no accountability whatsoever. I can
23:27
Speaker 2: lie under oath and no one's going to hold me
23:29
Speaker 2: to account. And I think he feels he feels clever,
23:33
Speaker 2: but he also feels vindicated. Listen, James Comy was someone
23:37
Speaker 2: who I think fancied himself as j Edgar Hoover. He
23:41
Speaker 2: fancied himself as as an incredibly powerful director of the FBI,
23:47
Speaker 2: empowered to remove the tyrant. That's what he said in
23:52
Speaker 2: his statement tonight that he thinks Trump is a tyrant.
23:56
Speaker 2: And I think when the American people elected him in
23:58
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, I think Comy was angry and he decided
24:02
Speaker 2: he would use the power of the FBI to remove
24:05
Speaker 2: the president elected by the people. And so I think
24:08
Speaker 2: it is quite fitting that he is facing accountability for
24:12
Speaker 2: committing criminal conduct. Let me repeat, this indictment is not
24:18
Speaker 2: for being an opponent of Donald Trump. It is not
24:20
Speaker 2: for being a political political figure on the other side
24:25
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. This indictment is for deliberately and knowingly
24:29
Speaker 2: lying under oath to the United States Senate, which is
24:32
Speaker 2: a clear and unmistakable felony. And and I think I
24:36
Speaker 2: think Comy. I think the odds are good that Comy
24:40
Speaker 2: will be convicted. And I think if he's convicted, I
24:43
Speaker 2: think he's going to serve jail time.
24:45
Speaker 1: How much of it very quickly. Of his past will
24:48
Speaker 1: come back to haunt him. He is a prolific guy
24:52
Speaker 1: when it comes to leaking. He's a pro at it.
24:53
Speaker 1: He's on amateur Yes, he knows how to leak. Hell,
24:56
Speaker 1: he leaked information that was apparently classified to make sure
24:59
Speaker 1: that there was a a special counsel that went after
25:02
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. We know that for a fact, and it
25:05
Speaker 1: went to one of his former law friends at a
25:07
Speaker 1: university that then went to a newspaper. That is a fact.
25:10
Speaker 1: Will that come up? And then the other question I
25:12
Speaker 1: have for you quickly is this, will the testimony the
25:15
Speaker 1: day before Congress be used in court?
25:18
Speaker 4: Or literally?
25:18
Speaker 1: Will senators that interviewed him, Would you guys go to
25:21
Speaker 1: court or would they just use the testimony video?
25:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they would use the testimony. They would
25:26
Speaker 2: read or play the testimony. I don't think you're going
25:28
Speaker 2: to see senators testifying, and the record is clear and objective,
25:33
Speaker 2: and so everyone knows exactly what his testimony was. In
25:37
Speaker 2: terms of his past pattern, I think it could certainly
25:40
Speaker 2: come in. The prosecution might try to bring it in
25:43
Speaker 2: to establish a pattern. That would be difficult. But I
25:46
Speaker 2: think if Comey's lawyer argues, well, he couldn't possibly have
25:50
Speaker 2: approved this, he never would have approved a leak, then
25:53
Speaker 2: I think the prosecution would be able to get all
25:55
Speaker 2: of that in as rebuttal to the defendant's argument. So
25:59
Speaker 2: I think it's more more likely to come in as
26:01
Speaker 2: rebuttal evidence than directly proving a pattern. But my guess
26:05
Speaker 2: is one way or another that evidence is going to
26:08
Speaker 2: come in. And you're right, there's a clear pattern. Comy
26:10
Speaker 2: has a long pattern of relying on media leaks to
26:13
Speaker 2: advance his own personal agenda.
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