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Recapping Inoue-Cardenas, Times Square, and Canelo-Scull · Boxing B-Sides

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The B -Side and Boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
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B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
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The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B
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-Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
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Oh shit, the Boxing B -Sides are back. Josh,
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Alex, how are you guys doing? The hood. The hood.
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Everything's all good. Let's get into the boxing
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right away. Let's skip a little bit of the preamble.
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Into the reviews for this block. It's April 27th
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up to May 4th. The Guillermo Rigondout card did
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not happen, unfortunately. At least not that
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I've been able to find. Gatsby did not fight
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him. Yep. But what are you going to do? We missed
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out on a banger. Hey, it's now scheduled for
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July 11th. Oh, is it? You feel like a box wreck.
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Against TBA? TBA as well. Well, that's quite
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some time to find a suitable opponent. It's almost
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two months. Oh, yeah. You want to choose Joe
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to main? Yeah. Moving to Friday, May 2nd, in
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Times Square, Fatal Fury, City of the Wolves.
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Jesus Christ. Yeah. Fatal Fury. More like Fatal
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fucking dumb stupid fucking boxing weekend. Fatal
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because a guy got stabbed near the ring? That's
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the only action that happened all night. Yeah.
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Actually, you know what? But we'll get into it
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once we go up the card. I have one performance.
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I have one person I have to give props to. Oh,
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yeah. Oh, I already know what you're talking
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about. But I go pro box. We already know what
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we're talking about because we go pro box. It's
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Reito Tsutsumi, isn't it? The only fucking exciting
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fight on the entire bill. I didn't watch the
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FDNY versus NYPD. That might have more action.
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all the fights. Oh, my God. Hey, no, no, no.
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We got one. We got a guy. We still got one. We
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got one. One fight to save boxing. Yeah. Yeah,
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we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Was it
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the first one? Teofimo versus Arnold Barbosa?
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That was a pretty good one. I liked that. That
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was the only performance I'll give any credit
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to on the card. Because it's not like Barbosa
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laid down. Lopez just actually showed up. Yeah,
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that was what we were talking about. We were
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talking about him potentially not showing up
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and that being the problem. No, he did. I think
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he's... He still lost a touch, but this is as
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good as he's going to be without a trainer. I
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think the first six rounds of that fight were
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perfect. He fought amazing. After that, he kind
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of started screwing around a little bit too much.
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He starts slowing down. Yeah. I mean, it's better
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than... Make a show. Make a show of it. Yeah,
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and you know what? I got to respect him for that
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because... And we're going to get to it right
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now. That's the only exciting part of the night.
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Barbosa also didn't just lie down. Like, he did
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keep coming. So... Well, the thing with Barbosa
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is that I kind of expected that performance from
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him. But at the same time, it's your first title
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match. It's your first time... having the title
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right there and he doesn't go out those last
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couple rounds dude like yeah i just think like
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like if you're getting outworked for nine rounds
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those last three rounds you just gotta go for
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that knockout dude there's no way you're gonna
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win you know i mean but we'll get into a little
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later teofimo what could be what's next for him
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because That was a really impressive performance.
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I was, honestly, the bar for me was set pretty
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low. I wasn't expecting a whole lot out of him.
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There's not much in 140. Yeah, that's what I'm
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worried about. 147. I don't like him that much
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to not want to see Boots run him over. Yeah.
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You can see a fight with him and Norman, though.
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And then you can see a unification between Teofimo
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and Boots. Yeah. Well, I don't count Norman out
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either. Yeah, I was about to say, I wouldn't
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take it as a foregone conclusion that Teofimo
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beats him. Even if he shows up, like, perfectly.
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I'm saying a path for him. I'm saying a path,
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like, a potential path for him. Yeah, the WBO,
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yeah. Yeah. If they don't strip him for being
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an insane racist. Oh, yeah. Are we going to talk
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about that right now? Yeah, let's go for it.
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Is that the only thing in the room? That is crazy.
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That is fucking nuts to say. Where that brother
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at? Where that brother at? That's, that's, that's
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crazy than what Ryan said, honestly. My, actually,
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I take it back. I take it back. No, Ryan said
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some more shit. Ryan was worse. Like, come on,
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man. It's just for attention, dude. It's just
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for attention and money. He turned heel. He turned
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heel. That's what you call it. Yeah. I still
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think people are more mad at Haney than Lopez.
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Well, honestly, I kind of find them equal. Oh,
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my God. Because Haney made me want to kill myself.
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We'll get to that right now. Fuck Haney, bro.
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What the fuck is this, bro? Ramirez shows up
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as stinky as he possibly can and you don't even
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fucking touch him, bro. Bitched out. Yeah. It
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was fucked up on both parts because Ramirez did
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not come at all. He did not come to fight. Not
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one bit. Yeah, but we knew that. We knew he was
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that washed. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. We kind
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of expected that from him. We didn't expect much
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from Ramirez, but we kind of expected a good
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amount from him. Oh, fuck, man. He was scared,
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dude. Bro, he was fighting the ghost of Ryan
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Garcia in there. Holy shit. And losing. Yeah,
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this is fucking sad. This should have been a
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draw, bro. Okay, well, no. That's too much. That's
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way too much. No, because this is like a... You
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ever watch that Rancis Barthelemy and Robert
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Easter Jr. fight? Yeah. The same shit. It's just
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because there's an A -side. If it's two B -side
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guys like Barthelemy and Easter Jr., it's a draw.
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Who do you score? The guy coming forward and
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forcing the other guy to run or the other guy
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who's not getting hit but not throwing punches
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either? Well, at the same time, Haney Lanamore.
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What if we disqualify both of them? Yeah. Yeah.
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Seriously, Devin, Haney should have been fucking
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disqualified. Fine. Fine. Haney's a fucking...
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Fuck, man. I was high on Haney, and then it's
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just, like, the past couple years have just taken
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the life out of me from being like, yeah, Haney's
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my guy. I believed in Haney when he was on the
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come -up, and now we're at a point where I'm
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just like, oh, my God. The thing is, I know people
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like to bash on Haney, but you know what? I respect...
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I still give him a lot of respect. Yeah, like,
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he's fighting the right fights and everything.
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It's just, like... Shit like this isn't excusable.
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For sure, yeah. But in my opinion, I think Haney
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has a lot more heart than others. And I'll get
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into it right now after we talk about Ryan. Dude.
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What's the thing Roley said? He's got the worst
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genetics. Or whatever. Something like that. Something
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like that. Where he can't crack an egg. Dude,
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Haney can't. And he wouldn't even crack a broken
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egg. Yeah, bro. That's how fucked to be is. Were
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you guys around back when Pauly Malignaggi was
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still fighting and there was that one, he had
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one of his last fights with like Sam Eggington
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or something and Pauly goes, yeah, balls to the
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wall, like 60 full power punches right at his
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chin and fucking Eggman just laughs at him. Yeah.
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He puts his hands down and he just stands there
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and takes it. It was so funny. That guy would
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definitely take a side piece. Though, like, literally,
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like, that would be Haney. That would be Haney
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if he threw. That was Haney in the Ryan Garcia
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fight, bro. That was Haney in this fight. And
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that's going to be Haney in the future. Fuck,
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dude. What do you even do next if you're Haney,
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bro? That was about to ask. Do you fight Roley?
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Well, the thing is that I think he should still
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have the Ryan fight. I think that's the only
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fight that they have. He's technically at 147
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now because he fought at 143, 144 for his last
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fight. You know what? Give him boots. Fuck Haney.
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Don't give him that money. Don't give him that
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fight. Let boots eviscerate this man. You know
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what? There's other people that deserve that
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fight way more than him. He fought Ramirez who
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was a fucking... a fucking journeyman now, in
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my opinion. He's kind of over... What's the word?
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He's over the hill. Listen, man, he's not even
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the least qualified title challenger at 147,
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man. Pacquiao's, like, ripped up, shitty trapo
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ass is still coming back for a title shot. So,
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like, Haney is at least... At least Haney's coming
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off a win if he were to fight a title for a title.
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Yeah, but, dude, it's fucking against Ramirez
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who we didn't... Dude, it was... Oh, my God,
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bro. Okay, but, like, Pacquiao got his ass beat
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by a kickboxer last year. But you know what?
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They do that because it's money, though. And
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that makes sense. And also, at 147, who else
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is going to fight Barrios? You know what I mean?
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That's the biggest money fight that they can
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make. Yeah. I mean, Barrios is winnable, but...
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I'll watch that shit. I'll watch that shit. Because
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I want to see Pacquiao win. I think he has a
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chance of winning. No, it's just this is never
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going to end if he wins. Well, you know what?
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Mario is a soul. Again, again, I got to give
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Mario's credit. He's a boxer. He has all the
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respect in the world for me. However, the skill
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-wise, he just doesn't have it. He doesn't have
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that if factor. It's another Ramirez, another
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Barboza. He's just tall. He got knocked out by
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Tank. He got almost knocked out by Abel Ramos.
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He went to war with Abel Ramos, dude. He also
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beat the dog shit out of Ugas, though. Well,
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honestly, that was... That's Ugas, bro. Is Ugas
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that great of a fighter, too? Well, he beat the
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dog shit out of a better version of Pacquiao.
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Ugas beat the dog shit out of a better version
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of Pacquiao. I don't know about dog shit, but...
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Yeah. Y 'all see the clip after the fight of
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Pacquiao's wife, like, spooning the applesauce?
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I've not seen that. No, I have not. He's sitting
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in the hotel like he's unable to even pick up
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the spoon and eat it, bro. It's in the hotel.
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In the hotel like a day or two after the fight
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with Ugas. By the way, Paki was old. He's so
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old. He should not be back for a title fight.
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My point being... It's not even the worst. Haney
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would not be the worst title challenger at 147,
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and I support him getting the shit kicked out
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of him by Ennis. Maybe Barrios. For my entertainment.
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I'd fight Barrios after Pacquiao. Who else is
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it? Who else is it? Haney. It's not even like
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I want to see Haney lose. I just don't want to
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see Haney. I'm sick of it. The thing is, it's
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worse than Shakur. It's worse than Shakur. Nah,
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nah, nah. I can't say he's worse than Shakur.
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Shakur actually turns around and runs. We have
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clips. You know what, dude? The thing is that
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Shakur, he fought supposedly with one hand, dude,
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against Edwin De Los Santos. He fought with two
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hands and ran the whole fight. And honestly,
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you can't even hate on Shakur anymore. I can't
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even hate on Shakur. I can hate on both. Oh,
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yeah, you can hate on both, but at the same time,
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I don't even blame Shakur anymore. I don't even
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think Shakur had the worst performance out of
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all of them. We'll get into that right now. Devin
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Haney is a bitch about it. He's a whiny little
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bitch, and that's why... At least Shakur owns
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it. Shakur owns being boring, at least. Yeah,
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he doesn't... He acts a clown for promotion,
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like, oh, I'm going to knock his ass out. You
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can't crack an egg, buddy. You could even knock
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Josh Padley out, bro. Come on. Who are we kidding?
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But at least he doesn't whine all the time the
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way that the Haney's do. Both him and his dad.
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Oh, Jesus. If I never had to hear of Bill Haney
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again, I'd be happy. The thing is that they didn't
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take the loss of pride in that they say that
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they still have the O. No, you don't. I know
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what I saw. Exactly. You got the shit kicked
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out of you by Ryan Garcia. We're going to trade
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out again. Who lost to fucking Rolly Romero?
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That was funny as fuck. I'm sorry. That fight
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was funny as fuck. Are we just going to ignore
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the fact that Haney has been defeated by a guy?
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That was defeated by Roller Merrill. That...
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Okay, dude. Oh, my God. It's starting. He made
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Roll... Yeah, Ryan made Rollie look competent
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there, and that was... That's... That's quite
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a feat. Oh, my God. You made Rollie look like
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a boxer, bro. What the fuck? Are we talking about
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the Ryan fight now? I wanted to say one thing,
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one last thing about the Devin Heaney one, and
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that was that I legit... I was so fucking bored,
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I fell asleep. I couldn't watch. I didn't watch
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the whole thing. I think I passed out around
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like round seven. It was so fucking terrible.
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It was one of those fights where you could just
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go do something else and not to worry about it.
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Like you knew what was going to happen. Yeah,
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exactly. And the thing is now, I keep talking.
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Actually, Josh, you can talk. I've been talking
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too much. No, it's all good. I was watching that
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clip on Twitter, like the sped up fight. Yeah,
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not even the clown music. The first one I saw
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posted was during the fight being like, hey,
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here's a clip of the last round. And it was like
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sped up, but there were like two punches thrown.
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Just bad. And then, man, Roley. Good for Roley,
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man. Yeah, let's get into it. Roley wins the
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WBA regular fucking title. Good for Roley. Over
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the Batmobile, Ryan Garcia. Batmobile lost its
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wheel. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Yeah. I'll
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be honest. After I saw that hating fight, I literally
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told my pops. I was like, dude, there's nothing
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that could be worse than this, dude. It got worse.
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It got worse. It got way worse. Ryan Garcia loses.
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Yeah, Ryan Garcia losing UD to Rolly Romero.
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in my opinion, is way worse than Haiti winning
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via decision against Ramirez. Yeah, like, oh,
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no. You lose a boxing match to Romero. You didn't
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even get stopped. You lost a boxing match. That's
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the thing. And you know what? You know what pisses
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me off more is that he uses the excuse that there
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was no crowd. I understand that the crowd is
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a factor. It's a big factor. But the fact that
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you lose a fight against Willie Romero because
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you don't have a crowd is the most bullshit thing
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I've ever heard. You're telling me that. Roland
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Romero came up on Showbox, bro. He had no crowd.
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Exactly, yeah. And fucking COVID and shit, too.
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Yeah, COVID Showbox had no fucking crowd, bro.
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Yeah. You're telling me that you couldn't...
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You couldn't beat a guy that got knocked out
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to Pitbull Cruise, that got knocked out of the
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tank, that almost got knocked out by fucking
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my grandpa, and yet you're going to claim, oh,
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it was other factors. I didn't train that much.
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It's like, dude. Yeah. Like, come on, man. Roley
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took seven rounds to stop fucking known Reddit
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user Anthony Yigit, bro. Yeah, it's like, what
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the fuck? What are you doing? I get it that he
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got knocked out in round two. That's when I knew,
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oh, shit, he lost his heart. He lost his heart.
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Because when he got up, he just started boxing
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after that. He started just jabbing. One, one,
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one. That's all. That's all. Just kept using
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one. You can literally count Roli's punches as
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he goes like... Yeah, you literally fucking hear
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it. Yeah, just the whole fight, bro. I hate this
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shit. But you know what? For 12 rounds, I just
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kept thinking like, man, I think this is the
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round that Ryan turns it up. Come on, this has
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got to be the round that Ryan turns it up. Come
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on, dude. What are you doing? That's optimism,
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bro. It was chopped. The whole fight was horrible.
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The second that happened, I was just like, man,
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what are we doing, bro? Yeah, it was just, it
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was horrible, man. It was horrible. That dude,
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that itself makes that, I think that loss is
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worse than Haney's loss to Ryan Garcia. Well,
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yeah, because at least, like, Haney just, like,
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Haney just got his ass beat because, like, he
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can't send anything back. What the fuck are you
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doing getting outboxed by Roley? Yeah, exactly.
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This guy's got no skills, no defense, no footwork,
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no punch placement. The Haney's also can use
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the excuse that Ryan Garcia... No height, no
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reach. He's got no height, no reach. Roley's
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got power, and he can't land it most of the time.
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The thing is that Haney has an excuse now. Yeah,
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it really was. It was the fucking Osterin. The
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Osterin, yeah. He can use that shit now. And
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honestly, like, most people will probably just
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say, yeah, that's probably why he lost. After
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seeing the Rollie fight with Ryan, how do you
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lose to Rollie Romero? But you win against someone
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like that. That is crazy to me. In such shitty,
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spectacularly shitty fashion. Exactly. You didn't
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even lose to fucking knockout. I would have rather
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seen Ryan and Garcia get knocked out by Rollie
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Romero. Then see him lose a UD. Yeah, because,
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like, at least, like, you go, like, okay, yeah,
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Rowley's got power, whatever. But, like, Rowley
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can't, again, he has no defense, no punch placement,
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no hand speed, no footwork. His reach sucks.
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He's got no chin. So, like, what are we doing
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here? What are we doing? He's got power. He's
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got power. But the thing is, also, I did see
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he had a little bit of improvement with the new
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trainer. Just a little bit. But at the same time,
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it's like, dude, you cannot lose your unanimous
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decision to Rolly Romero. Otherwise, you're ass.
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No, like, bro, this guy started boxing at, like,
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what age? Like, age 20, bro. Yeah. Like, listen,
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he hasn't improved since day one, either. it's,
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it's, it's a sad sight to see, honestly, just
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that whole, the whole card itself was, at first,
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it seemed pretty cool, and honestly, in, in,
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in, in, fucking, what's the word? In theory,
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it, it should have been, like, monumental, you
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know, Times Square, the whole world watching,
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you know, in, in, in, fucking New York, in the
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middle of Times Square. Yeah. That's, that's
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awesome. However, you have no crowd, you have,
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I thought, honestly, I thought they were going
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to have the fight playing on the big screen,
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like the advertisement screens. Yeah, I thought
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so too. Which would have been legendary. But
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it was just, it looked so elitist. You know what
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I mean? Yeah. Which, at the end of the day, that's
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not boxing, dude. Boxing's not for the elite.
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Nah, man. Are you ready for even less people
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at Alcatraz? What'd you say? Oh, they want to
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do a card there, don't they? Yeah, the next Ring
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TV whatever card is going to be at fucking Alcatraz.
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But see, the thing is, you expect that to be
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kind of ass, though. Okay, but putting it in
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Times Square is kind of ass. I did a theory that
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that should have been awesome. Nah. Whatever.
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They should have opened up the gates and just
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let the people watch. You know what I mean? As
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much as we can bitch about this card, this isn't
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as bad. This weekend of boxing specifically gets
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worse. It only gets worse. This is as good as
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it gets for now. The next card is fucking terrible.
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Friday and Saturday are horrible. I think, honestly,
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Friday and Saturday were the worst. We're going
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to talk about them more later on. I think Friday
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and Saturday, in my opinion, was probably the
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worst days of boxing I have ever seen in my life.
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Second worst. I remember the second year that
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Eddie Hearn did fight camp in his backyard. That
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was the worst. No, I disagree. That was the worst.
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Just because of the names and all the promotion
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and everything for these fights, dude. I guess.
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This is the most disappointing, for sure. Yeah,
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which makes it the worst to me, you know what
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I mean? Yeah. And we'll talk about it more right
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now, but back to Roley and Ryan, dude. Jesus
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Christ. Ryan, he needs to go back to the gym.
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I don't even know if I want to see him again.
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That's the thing. Because losing to Roley, how
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bad you got to be to lose to Roley, dude? He
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is so fucked up. He is fucked up. He had no dog
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in him. He had no heart in him. Where the fuck
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did it go? That wasn't the Ryan I saw during
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the Haiti fight. Especially the right I didn't
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see during the fucking, before Tank. You know
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what I mean? And he said he was clean. He was
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focused. And I believed him. You know? I honestly
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believed him. And I feel stupid for believing
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him. And I think I just don't, I don't really
23:56
want to see him fight again, bro. I mean, I still
23:58
am. I'm still going to watch his fight, but still.
24:00
I really don't want to pay for it. You're not
24:01
going to be excited about it. Exactly. Not like
24:04
before. Oh, Jesus, yeah. I was kind of looking
24:07
forward to seeing him knock out Rowley. That
24:11
was like the only lock. That was the only lock,
24:14
really. Oh, so many people put less money on
24:17
that shit? Listen, man. I could've told you.
24:21
I literally told you. You can pull up the clips
24:24
of the fucking... The stinky... Like the Haney
24:27
Ramirez being stinky as fuck. Yeah. Yeah, you're
24:31
right. I think we did... Santa, I apologize to
24:34
the whole fucking box of fanbase or something.
24:38
Haney should. Yeah, Haney should. Turkey will
24:43
fuck off. Turkey, bro. Fuck Turkey, bro. Seriously.
24:49
This is the end point. This is the natural point
24:52
that we were going to get to from the start.
24:55
Yeah, it's just fuck Turkey. Guy's getting paid
24:57
six million dollars for him to play with his
25:00
action figures and then like turns out you don't
25:03
know shit about the sport and put these morons
25:05
in with each other in a place that no one cares
25:08
about. Well, again, the thing is that the New
25:12
York card really, if they did it right, I think
25:14
it could have been monumental. But they fucked
25:17
it up with their leadership. Fucking Saudi Arabian
25:20
bullshit. Oh, well, it only gets worse. There's
25:25
Saturday. Yeah, speaking of Saudi Arabian bullshit,
25:29
let's fucking continue right into Saturday in
25:35
Riyadh. Canelo Alvarez and William School exist
25:44
with each other for 12 rounds. So that was pretty
25:48
nice. Let's start with that card. You know what?
25:55
There's one good fight in this card. Badu Jack.
25:58
Mad respect, Badu Jack. Still putting in the
26:01
work. Still squeaking him out. Still squeaking
26:06
him out. But the fight was good. Yeah, it was.
26:08
It was a good fight. Good, solid pair up. Badu
26:12
Jack still hangs on to his title. So he can be
26:15
on another one of these cards when they need
26:17
a guy. Another thing, too. I understand that
26:22
you guys said that was the only fight. And another
26:24
thing, too, is that I want to add in Marco Verde's
26:26
debut. I think that's someone that we should
26:30
be watching for the future. Marco Verde. You
26:34
guys watched that fight, right? Yeah, I did catch
26:37
the half a round. No, I missed it. I'll have
26:42
to catch it. He looked pretty good. Yeah. Pretty
26:45
good. Half a round, yeah. Half a round, yeah.
26:50
Fair enough. I was talking more like the main
26:53
fights, like Martin Bacoli and Ajagba. Bacol,
26:59
Bacol, Bacol, for the love of God, bro. Your
27:02
weight. Like, he can't show up looking like the
27:06
Michelin Man anymore. 300 plus pounds. George
27:12
Foreman, two. Yeah, but George Foreman was in
27:16
shape to go all 12. Or he paced himself to look
27:19
like he was in shape. Yeah. You know what? Are
27:25
we going to start talking about that? Bacol got
27:27
outpaced for half the fight by Efe Ajagba. The
27:32
known, athletic, really dynamic guy? Yeah. The
27:39
guy who definitely does not fight underwater,
27:42
F .A. Ajagba. Is there going to be more Bacoli
27:47
overrated shots fired at him? Did I start saying
27:54
that? No, I think he's properly rated. If you're
27:58
going to sit in front of him... And if you're
28:01
just going to sit in front of him, like, yeah,
28:03
he's going to use all 300 pounds and beat the
28:07
shit out of you. If you have any, like, any lateral
28:12
movement, he's probably cooked. As demonstrated
28:17
by F .A. Jogba. The draw? Absolutely not. I think
28:22
they spared Bukoli there. Yeah, like a jogba,
28:26
definitely. Not to say a jog, but like ran away
28:30
with it, but it's definitely like a... Yeah,
28:34
you labored to a nice win -ish against a 300
28:37
-pound dude. Was that a pun? Ran away with it?
28:44
Lightly jogged away with it. Fuck. You know what?
28:49
That fight was probably the second most entertaining
28:52
fight on this card. It was crazy. 275 against
28:57
Tony Yoka, they looked great. Look at Jared Emerson.
29:02
He was 284. Which is like, yeah, you're letting
29:07
yourself go, but fine. You're still in what resembles
29:12
an athletic form. 300 is ridiculous. Butterbean
29:20
level. Fuck, dude. He did look like Butterbean.
29:26
It would be. It would be. Good for Jagba. I don't
29:35
know how to segue into Jaime Munguia. Trying
29:41
his best to do a Canelo impersonation. Carrying
29:48
a guy to the finish line? Yeah. The time with
29:52
the Reynoso camp, which shows... Yeah. Bruno
29:56
gets... He's got his hands up. Yeah. He's got
30:02
his hands up. That seems to be all he had, though.
30:04
He didn't really seem interested in doing anything
30:06
else. Listen, man. Bruno... Ugh. This fight shouldn't
30:15
have been to begin with. This was a huge fuck
30:16
-up from McGee. I still want to see more of Saras.
30:23
Yeah, I'm not saying Saras isn't fun. I want
30:26
to see him back. But, like, man. I think he'd
30:30
be a top -ranked fighter if he were to sign with
30:33
top -ranked. True, he's a good Janabek opponent.
30:38
Yeah, and you know what? Honestly, he'd be a
30:40
good appetizer in fights. He's a good Janabek
30:42
opponent, actually. You're so right. And the
30:46
thing is that, like, honestly, I thought that
30:48
was a really good Munguia performance. I thought
30:50
Munguia... I know you guys can clown on me, and
30:54
I use you guys as my clown on me, but that was
30:56
the most, like, technically sound Munguia has
30:58
ever been. In my opinion. I don't know, he was
31:01
really disciplined. Yeah, I know, it's just that,
31:04
like, it was like in the Canelo way, where, like,
31:07
he's like, you know the past couple fights before
31:09
the fucking disgrace we're about to talk about,
31:12
where, like, he'll just carry a guy? Well, I
31:17
don't think Munguia carried him so much as just
31:18
that he just... He was just being very, very
31:21
careful himself. Yeah. Because he was probably
31:23
scared of getting knocked out again. Again, yeah.
31:26
Stick to the plan this time. Yeah, stick to the
31:29
plan. Exactly. Don't Homer Simpson a guy. Don't
31:35
mong you out. Don't mong him, yeah. I was waiting
31:41
for that. You know, even though, like... I gotta
31:47
give Munguia's props, and I also gotta give Saras'
31:49
props. They put up a decent fight. I mean, they
31:53
had a decent fight. Otherwise, janky -ass weekend.
31:58
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a little bit more for
32:01
the technical fans than it would be for what
32:06
you would normally expect from Jaime Munguia.
32:10
True. I don't know. I just like... I liked the
32:15
Badu Jack one enough that, like, this is, like,
32:19
this is how to, like, I feel like that's a good
32:22
example on the same card of, like, you're not
32:25
being apprehensive about it, but you're still,
32:27
like, showing your skills and being careful.
32:32
Yeah. It wasn't a right fight. I don't mind.
32:38
Yeah, I don't mind it, like. I'm being a little
32:41
critical just because this entire card, these
32:44
entire two cards were fucking terrible. But not
32:49
bad for me. Oh, my God. William Skull needs...
32:55
Yeah, William Skull. It's Skull, right? It's
33:01
Skull. They were saying Skull. Skull. Yeah, Cuban.
33:07
He's got to go back to boxing school, maybe.
33:09
Fuck. Get a new skull at your fucking boxing
33:13
school. Oh my god. How much blame, or how do
33:21
you apportion the blame? Because for me, it's
33:24
like 70 -30. William Skull bears the lion's share
33:28
while Canelo has. It's also his fault for not
33:32
being able to end that. That fucking farce. You
33:37
know what? Go ahead, Alex. No, you go first.
33:42
I'm going to say 60 -40 Canelo, bro. Because
33:45
you know what? Canelo, I get it. You can say
33:49
that, oh, I don't like fighting those type of
33:51
fighters. Motherfucker, he's the one that chose
33:53
to fight him. He's the one that wanted to fight
33:55
him. And I get it, I get it, I get it. He was
34:00
running around the ring. But Canelo's forte for
34:03
the past I don't even know how many years is
34:06
the ability to cut off the ring in a swift manner
34:09
and deliver some devastating shots to guys like
34:13
that. I don't think William Skoll was worse than
34:17
Caleb Plant, you know what I mean? I mean, yeah,
34:20
Caleb Plant actually engaged. Plant engaged,
34:22
though, ever. Yeah, well, he engaged, but Plant
34:27
moved a lot better than William Skoll, in my
34:30
opinion. William Skoll moved better than William
34:33
Skoll did. Exactly, and Canelo was able to knock
34:37
him out. But you told me that Canelo couldn't
34:40
knock out fucking William Scholl, bro. Here are
34:42
my thoughts on that. One, yeah, at 60 -40, but
34:49
Canelo's only got 40 % of the blame. He's definitely
34:53
not as good as he was against Plant or Saunders
34:58
anymore. But also, please note that when he caught
35:05
Plant and Saunders, it was when Saunders and
35:08
Plant were engaging. True. That is very true.
35:13
When Plant was on, like, the dynamic of the fight
35:17
was that Canelo was getting, was timing Plant
35:21
as whenever Plant got a bit of confidence and
35:24
engaged. And, well, Saunders' eye got completely
35:27
fucked when he threw that dumbass hook. Yeah.
35:34
I feel like Canelo's bread and butter hasn't
35:38
been ring -cutting for a long time now. It's
35:40
been a lot of, like, you set the traps, the other
35:44
guy engages, and you counter and build off of
35:46
that. Because he countered Plant to the body
35:50
enough times to slow him down and then get to
35:52
him. But Skull gave us a fucking performance
35:59
where he just did not engage at all. And, well,
36:03
Canelo, especially the diminished Canelo of today,
36:07
there's no building block to build off of and
36:12
get to a stoppage. The thing is that when Canelo
36:15
actually engaged, instead of going after the
36:18
body, went after the head, he was doing some
36:20
work. He did some pretty good work. That was
36:23
like round 12. But Skull also, the thing is that
36:26
you give Skull space to steal a round that way.
36:30
But the thing is that when Canelo did that, Skoll
36:34
didn't do jack shit. He would try to throw, but
36:38
he would lose that engagement. Oh, yeah. That's
36:43
what I'm saying. He could have done that shit
36:44
from the beginning. You know what I mean? I don't
36:48
know. It was abysmal. The fact that Canelo, a
36:52
guy I've been watching for 12 years, couldn't
36:55
cut the ring off someone like that. I don't understand
36:59
that. He's washed out. He's not as good as he
37:03
used to be in Skull. Skull is a uniquely negative
37:07
fighter. Well, we saw Devin Haney. I don't think
37:11
it's that unique. The thing is that you... It's
37:20
just the way they engage, though. Skull... Think
37:24
of Boots and Karen Chikazade in their first fight.
37:28
It's very similar frustration where, like, it's
37:30
one guy being extremely negative. With Haney,
37:33
it's different. I like to think it's different
37:38
with Haney because it's not like that is how
37:41
he is naturally. It's how he has to be. I see.
37:44
Is that your Haney bias talking? That's a slight
37:48
Haney bias, but also the fact that, like, he
37:50
can engage when he wants to. He did with Ramirez
37:54
from, like, he had spots of it. He has a heart
37:58
that can show itself sometimes. Like, even with
38:00
Progray. Like, he was eating Progray up. And
38:03
with Camboza, too. He just doesn't have the power
38:07
to finish those fights. But he has a will to
38:09
engage sometimes. He just can't because of all
38:12
the other factors he doesn't have. Guys like
38:15
Skull and Chikazadian just, they don't. They
38:18
choose. Their plan A is to not engage. There's
38:23
no reason for it. Also, how the fuck did Skull
38:27
become mandatory in the IBF, dude? Who the hell
38:29
did he fight to become the mandatory? Vladimir
38:32
Shishkin. I understand that, but who did he fight
38:36
to win to go up the ladder is what I'm saying.
38:41
A lot of the time, it's not who you fight. It's
38:44
not who, but it's like this guy's in the rankings
38:46
at the right time. It's the IBF. Yeah. It's the
38:51
IBF. The short explanation. If you fight who
38:55
they want you to fight, you'll get a title fight.
39:00
I said this with Shanada earlier, or a few days
39:05
ago, and it was something I noticed about, this
39:11
has happened before with Canelo, where when he
39:13
fought Chavez, that was like 10 years ago, but
39:19
everybody was clamoring for the Golovkin fight.
39:23
And then the Chavez fight happens. It was a really
39:26
shitty just event in general. And afterwards,
39:32
they march out Golovkin, and they have the little
39:36
face -off or whatever in the ring. And it's like,
39:40
because this, of course, it makes, to me, it
39:43
makes sense why the Chavez fight sucked, because
39:46
he was just there to get paid, and he was a placeholder.
39:50
So I'm wondering if William Skull kind of had
39:53
the same instructions. And that was like, we
39:55
can't afford for Canelo to be seriously hurt.
40:00
Even if you're not capable of doing it, don't
40:04
risk it. Because we have the blood fight lined
40:06
up. Yeah. I actually still think Crawford loses
40:12
that one. I disagree. We just saw Crawford. Crawford's
40:17
also old as fuck. Like, this is not Brian Crawford.
40:21
He threw that shit away on top rank fighting
40:23
Cans and Sean Porter. And we just saw him struggle.
40:29
We just saw him struggle with Madrimov's power.
40:31
It was specifically, like, Madrimov popping him
40:33
and keeping him honest. The thing is that, is
40:37
it more that, so, it's not who's going to be
40:40
a better fighter. It's going to be who's more
40:41
washed. Yeah. I just think, like, it's going
40:47
to be Crawford's moving up, like, 30 pounds.
40:51
Yeah. Madrimov, specifically the factors were,
40:56
like, counterpunching and power that gave Crawford
41:00
trouble with Madrimov, which are both things
41:03
that Canelo can do. Crawford's feet are not all
41:07
that and never have been. That's never been his
41:09
specialty. I'm going to tell you that. I'm going
41:13
to tell you this, dude. He's not going to be
41:15
engaging that much. He watched that fight with
41:17
Skull. Yeah, but he just can't. He just can't.
41:22
Can't replicate it? He can't replicate the footwork.
41:27
If Crawford's footwork really was all that, he
41:30
would have put away Porter in six rounds. You're
41:33
calling Crawford ass? I'm saying Crawford's one
41:37
weakness is movement. I'm saying he's very crafty,
41:40
and he... Knows how to place his shots. He's
41:44
got a good defensive mind. And offensive mind.
41:48
He's a generational talent obviously. But he's
41:50
washed. He's moving up 20 pounds in weight. And
41:54
movement has never been his strong suit. Especially
41:57
with guys who come directly at him. Like Sean
41:59
Porter. Like reasonably. The way Sean Porter
42:03
was coming at him. If he. Had sort of that. Those
42:09
extra dimensions. Of lateral movement. He probably
42:13
could have caught Porter way earlier. Instead,
42:17
he had to wear Porter down. He had to wear Porter
42:20
down. I see what you're saying. I do agree with
42:22
you. My thing is that I just think Canelo is
42:25
so old in boxing years, dude, that I just don't
42:29
think you'll be doing much in there. I don't
42:31
see... I'm going to be honest, dude. That Canelo
42:34
versus Skull, dude, that was the worst I've ever
42:36
seen Canelo. Just in general, as a fighter. The
42:41
way he moved, the way he looked, everything just
42:43
looked off, dude. Do you guys agree with me on
42:45
that, at least? No, I agree. He looks like he's
42:49
lost another step. Yeah. It's the worst he's
42:52
looked in a long time. Yeah. I think ever, dude.
42:56
I just think he just looked horrible. I think
42:59
the Lara fight showed that he didn't have enough
43:02
steps, whereas now he's showing he's losing steps,
43:05
if that makes sense. Yeah, exactly. I just think
43:08
the way the fight is set up is to Canelo's advantage.
43:14
I'm sure. If this fight happened two years ago,
43:18
and Bud actually fought more than once a year
43:21
to get used to the new weights... In the timeline
43:24
where he doesn't waste time fighting guys like
43:27
Mean Machine and Amir Khan and actually leaves
43:30
top rank instead of re -signing with them, I
43:39
think this fight is a lot more in Crawford's
43:40
favor. Instead, this fight, if it were to happen,
43:45
Crawford's ascent totally could have happened.
43:52
years earlier if he had just not re -signed for
43:56
an extra two years to piss away with Top Rank.
43:59
The thing is that also with Top Rank, there's
44:02
not a lot of, at Welterweight at least, there
44:04
weren't a lot of guys there. That's why the re
44:06
-signing was ridiculous. Because the thing is
44:10
that his options when his contract was up was
44:13
re -sign with Top Rank and fight nobody or go
44:16
to PBC and fight Spence. Spence, Thurman, Porter.
44:20
I think Danny Garcia was still in the mix. Danny
44:23
Garcia... Mikey Garcia was in the mix, too. Which,
44:27
like... Yeah, he fought Jeff Horn, Amir Khan,
44:32
Benavidez Jr. David Avanisian. Pacquiao would
44:36
have come into the fold as well, because Pacquiao
44:39
ended up shifting to PBC. And he still could
44:42
have had those shitty fights with Kell Brook
44:44
and everything, because those guys... we're still
44:47
like, yeah, they're British guys, but they've
44:49
come over to PPC already, like when Spence was
44:53
Kell Brooks mandatory. The thing is, I think,
44:57
I got a feeling that Crawford probably was trying
45:00
to reach for a Pacquiao fight. And I think if
45:03
Crawford did get that Pacquiao fight, I think
45:06
he would have became a superstar. No, but if
45:08
he would have come over, let's say he still beats
45:11
Spence. He comes over, he beats a prime Spence,
45:13
and then fights Pacquiao. And then moves up.
45:19
Yeah, I mean... And this all happens two or three
45:24
years earlier. So instead of right now where
45:27
he's 37, he already looks like he's lost a step
45:30
or two from the Madrimov fight. And it's been
45:34
a year. It will have been over a year since the
45:37
Madrimov fight too. So he's going to be like
45:39
38. He's like a nice 34 or 35 who grew into the
45:43
weight normally. And he's not moving up. three
45:47
weight classes at the end of his career. Not
45:49
as washed. Yeah. Like, I don't know. We got to
45:53
see. It's an interesting fight. The thing is,
45:57
you're saying, like, Crawford was assed that
45:59
fight? Like, he looked horrible? I mean, honestly,
46:03
the type of fighter he is, honestly, like, I
46:07
think that's the best performance he could have
46:08
had with him. Because you know what? I think,
46:11
because if we go back to how Virgil fought Madrigal,
46:14
Virgil's just a come forward straight. fit up,
46:16
makes his fighter, you know, he had a better
46:19
performance, but that's only because of his style.
46:22
I mean, styles make fights. You guys know that.
46:24
But that's why I think Crawford's lack of, like,
46:29
lateral control is what's going to get him with
46:33
Canelo. I disagree. I just think that Canelo,
46:37
yes, he hits hard, but can he even crack Crawford?
46:40
Can he catch him? Well, Madrimov could. How many
46:46
times did Madrimov catch Crawford? He didn't
46:48
catch him a lot to the point where it's like...
46:50
Yes, he caught him. He caught him hard, but he
46:51
didn't catch him a lot. But it's not concerning
46:53
with Madrimov, but again, go up three weight
46:56
classes and it's Canelo. I mean, we'll see. You're
47:01
more concerned. Well, we will see. Especially
47:04
because Crawford really hasn't been caught to
47:06
the body ever. Yeah, I was about to say, if he
47:09
gets knocked out, that's probably going to be...
47:12
Because he's never really been touched to the
47:15
body. I think Porter tried, but he got clocked
47:19
every time he came in for it. He did all right
47:22
in the first few rounds. Yeah, I had him up going
47:25
into that last round, but by a point or two.
47:28
I thought he stole enough, but it didn't end
47:31
up mattering. We got another card to get to.
47:36
A good one. Yeah, we're going to have to... We'll
47:39
rehash this as it gets closer in September. We'll
47:43
definitely be talking more about this. Going
47:46
into the Inouye fight, that card, the Karis Crawford
47:49
thing with Canelo that face -off was pretty cool.
47:52
That was pretty awesome. And I'm glad they're
47:56
having it in Vegas. Only thing is that they're
47:58
having it on a fucking Friday, bro. That's stupid.
48:02
It was so perfect until they dropped the ball
48:05
right there having it on a fucking Friday. Fucking
48:08
Friday. I mean. Oh, boy. We'll see. Is it September
48:16
12th? Yeah. Yes, sir. Okay. At this point, just
48:22
put it on the fucking 16th and whatever. If you're
48:26
not going to do it on Saturday, then who gives
48:28
a shit what day you do it? Yeah. On the fucking
48:31
18th. Do it on, yeah, do it on, on fucking the
48:35
holiday. Independence Day, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
48:38
Fuck it. Fuck Turkey, bro. Fuck Turkey. Fuck
48:43
Turkey. Fuck him to hell. Fuck him up my ass.
48:45
Imagine how much of an event this would be if
48:47
it were an Al Heyman PVC card. If Al Heyman was
48:55
running shit, dude, and actually had good control
48:57
over boxing, man, it would be like the HBO days
49:01
once again. I miss those days. Every time I see
49:05
these cards, I'm like, man, I miss the fucking
49:06
when boxing felt like an event. You know what
49:10
I mean? Oh, yeah. Even just the storytelling
49:13
and the little Showtime documentaries. All Access.
49:17
All Access. Yeah, 24 -7 or All Access. Because
49:21
the little shitty documentaries that Zone does
49:24
now, it's not the same. The heart isn't there.
49:27
Top Rank tries to do it, too. Even Top Rank does
49:31
better. Yeah, it just gets homogenized, though,
49:35
you know? Yeah. Yeah. But PBC, they do their
49:39
shit right. They don't do it enough, but they
49:42
do their shit right. All right. I kind of stripped
49:47
down what's on this card. Do you have anything
49:51
on the undercard that released it out to you?
49:54
I have Emiliano Vargas and Rohan Polanco. Those
49:58
are the two that I have. Emiliano. Yeah. Hey,
50:01
Rafael Spinoza looks good. Yeah, definitely have
50:04
him on there. Main and co -main, but... Emiliano
50:08
did great, as always. Yeah. Also, a month out,
50:14
too. A month out from his last fight is pretty
50:17
crazy. Well, TKO in the second, I would be fighting
50:22
pretty soon as well. I understand that, but a
50:26
month? I think it was... Well, that's how it
50:28
is for the... How it is for the young guys, though.
50:31
Like, sometimes... Abdullah Mason does it. Especially
50:34
for... Especially for those IBF rankings. Activity...
50:38
Activity's really rewarding. But do enough guys
50:42
do it, though. Is what I'm saying. I mean...
50:44
I just like seeing an exciting fighter do it
50:47
multiple times, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah.
50:49
Within a year. Ron Polanco did not look as awesome
50:55
as I had hoped. I was expecting him to bomb out.
50:59
Fabian Maidana, but he did not. That was unfortunate.
51:06
Yeah, I mean, it's Fabian Maidana, but at the
51:09
same time, he still doesn't have the worst chin,
51:11
you know what I mean? He has a pretty good chin.
51:14
He didn't look bad. No, he didn't look terrible,
51:19
but I was hoping for another fireworks display.
51:26
Yeah, I got to set my expectations better, I
51:30
think. Expectations met. Expectations exceeded.
51:37
Rafael Espinoza stops Edward Vasquez in seven.
51:41
Those uppercuts just could not miss. It was unbelievable.
51:46
They just generally don't miss for Espinoza.
51:49
Same with Robizzi. They just don't miss. It was
51:57
a pretty good fight. Very excited to see him
52:00
thriving. I like Espinosa. His contemporaries.
52:07
Angelo Leo has a fight coming up that we'll be
52:11
talking about next time. Nick Ball would be fucking
52:17
hilarious. And Stephen Fulton. I need to know
52:20
Nick Ball. Nick Ball. I'm sold. I'm sold. That's
52:25
way too funny. They're like a foot height difference.
52:29
Exactly, I'm sold. That would be hard to put
52:31
together, too, because it's Queensberry. Yeah,
52:33
it would be. Well, no, Queensberry and Top Rank
52:37
do collab a lot. Aram and Warren have been friendly
52:41
forever. Yeah, they have a co -promotional pact.
52:45
So if there's ever a Top Rank fighter that needs
52:48
to go to the UK... it's managed by Queensberry.
52:52
And then if there's a Brit fighter that comes
52:54
over from Queensberry, it's done by top rank.
52:58
I like that. I like that. Because you know what?
53:03
Al Heyman to fucking Bob is like Eddie to fucking
53:07
Warren. Frank Warren is the British Bob Arum.
53:13
You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm just glazing
53:17
at this point. I always refer to WBO not just
53:22
whatever Bob orders, but it's also Warren's Boys
53:25
Only. Yeah, Warren's Boys Only is also good.
53:30
Yep. But still, Espinosa, he's in good company.
53:35
I really rate Stephen Fulton. His win over Brandon
53:41
Figueroa was just beyond impressive to me. In
53:46
a way, it did him dirty, but... He's, like, he's
53:49
still really fucking good. Yeah. Especially that
53:53
second one where, like, that could not have been
53:55
hard, tough, that could not have been easy to
53:57
rebound from the beatdown that Inouye put on
54:00
him. Yeah. Like, rebounding and having a, yep,
54:04
rebounding and having a more convincing win than
54:07
the first time with B -Fig. Yeah. Good shit.
54:11
That being said, Nick Ball, please, I need, that's,
54:14
it's funny. Nick Ball Espadosa for the memes.
54:18
Please, bro. They have a foot difference. Those
54:21
uppercuts are going to be heat -seeking missiles
54:25
on Nick Ball, bro. He's going to be bouncing
54:27
that ball around the ring. That one, that's getting
54:39
the pun, the little pun song that I put in sometimes.
54:43
Yeah, the soundbite. Let's talk about the main
54:48
event and fight of the year. Oh, man. I was expecting
54:54
Cardenas to be finished way earlier. I certainly
55:00
didn't expect him to be potentially stealing
55:04
some of the rounds. And knocking down anyway,
55:07
bro. Yeah. Can we talk about that, dude? Like,
55:10
what the fuck? I think it's the same shit that
55:16
he fell for with Luis Neri. Yeah, exactly. He
55:22
got timed coming in and down he goes. That's
55:26
a fucking problem. You're getting caught like
55:29
this. What's going to happen if you move up to
55:32
126 and it's one of Espinoza's heat -seeking
55:36
uppercuts? What if it's Nakatani catching you
55:41
clean with that shit? Oh, my God. He's just a
55:44
beautiful counterpuncher. Like, I would not be
55:48
surprised if Inoue, who has a chin, if he were
55:51
to get, I don't know, be really hurt from...
55:56
Now I'm more excited, though. It's not like a
56:02
throwaway. Now it's even more exciting to see
56:05
that fight. Now that Inoue looks more human?
56:09
Yeah. Well, Nakatani also doesn't look very human,
56:12
but they're suited for each other. The thing
56:16
is that, honestly, with this fight all together,
56:20
it was amazing. That's all you got to say. It
56:23
was perfect. And the thing is that the way that...
56:27
Anyway got knocked out in round two. Ryan Garcia
56:29
got knocked out in round two. The difference
56:31
is that one had a heart, one didn't. Anyway came
56:35
back and just... Beat the shit out of Raymond.
56:39
And I gotta give all the props to Raymond. Because
56:41
you know what? Not many people have done that
56:43
to Inouye. Not many people have had Inouye dig
56:46
deep like that. Because Inouye for a bit was
56:49
hurt. I think he looked more hurt than he was
56:53
with Neri. In my opinion. He didn't look terribly
56:59
hurt either time. No. It was just a good shot.
57:03
Both of them were just good shots. He looked
57:06
like he had his wits about him. I disagree. I
57:09
think he was still on a little bit of wobbly
57:11
legs after the knockdown and kind of going into
57:14
round three. Versus Neri, he just looked like
57:16
a simple flash knockdown, you know what I mean?
57:18
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think he was a lot... I would
57:22
say a lot more hurt than in the Neri fight. At
57:26
least closer to having simply gotten knocked
57:29
out, in my opinion. Yeah. card in this was awesome
57:37
i what what a what a showing like you wouldn't
57:42
i did not expect it one bit but pro box good
57:46
another pro box guy steps up and he may not yeah
57:51
he may not be he may not have like upset the
57:55
champ but he stepped up with a like a generational
57:59
an atg and he held his own for quite a few rounds,
58:04
a lot more than anybody would have expected.
58:08
They both saved the weekend. Yeah, I think I
58:11
want to see a lot more of him. I think Josh,
58:15
you put it perfectly when you said he's a worthy
58:17
title challenger. It's just not in a way, because
58:22
Inoue's a different beast, completely different
58:25
beast. No, there's a world -level contender,
58:29
but also this is an all -time great. Yeah. Anybody
58:32
stepping in there right now at 122 is going to
58:37
get fucking smoked, including MJ. But MJ has
58:40
a good shot. I think he's got a better shot than
58:44
Cardenas did. You know, like, if we got Inoue
58:49
Nakatani right now, I'd love to see Cardenas
58:51
and Akmedalios. That would be nice. That'd tear
58:58
it up. I want to see him versus Leo. Angela Leo.
59:05
Yeah. If he moves up to 26. If he does. If he
59:08
moves up to 26, yeah. Well, he's got... Because
59:11
Leo came up from 22, just like Fulton did. And
59:16
I think if Inouye comes up to 126, I think Fulton
59:20
moves up. Fulton doesn't want that again. I don't
59:24
think he wants to get in the ring again with
59:26
the fucking monster. I didn't even do good the
59:31
first time. At least with Donair, you're like,
59:33
okay, Donair had a good fight, good goal the
59:36
first time. Nope. Nuh -uh. MJ's next though,
59:43
right? I believe they said in the post -fight
59:46
interview. Unfortunately. It's MJ what? MJ then
59:51
Nakatani, right? Yeah, I believe so. The Nakatani
59:56
fight, I think, is agreed in principle. Yes.
1:00:01
Yes. Let's hope he wins. Let's hope we can get
1:00:07
a press pass. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Japanese boxing
1:00:12
promoters, if you listen to this English podcast,
1:00:15
please give us press passes. Yeah, like we have
1:00:19
people out there. I try to. If I can get a point
1:00:24
of contact, I can start badgering. If I can.
1:00:28
If I can badger the right people, I think we
1:00:31
can make it happen. Yes, sir. It'll just take
1:00:36
a little bit of buttering. Go to some of the
1:00:40
lower cards at Korakuen. Listen, man. We're giving
1:00:49
all the positive coverage possible. There's no
1:00:51
way we could give bad coverage of that. Except
1:00:55
Turkey. They'll get bad coverage from Turkey.
1:00:58
Unless Turkey promotes it, in which case, yeah,
1:01:01
no. It's only bad coverage for you. Forever.
1:01:06
You signed a deal with the devil. Forever. Oh,
1:01:11
yeah. Anything more for Inouye? He saved the
1:01:19
boxing weekend. He did. I'll be honest, dude.
1:01:23
He saved the boxing year so far. Yeah. Yeah,
1:01:28
actually, that's true because, you know what?
1:01:31
For, like, a couple weeks, we were just saying,
1:01:33
like, this little weekend was going to be a,
1:01:35
you know, a good boxing weekend. It was going
1:01:37
to be elite. I thought it was going to be an
1:01:39
elite weekend. Fuck, though. We won't accept
1:01:42
one day. It's the end of the day for leaders.
1:01:45
Top ring strikes again. The old dog doesn't lose
1:01:50
new shots, but you know what? The broken clock
1:01:54
is still right twice a day. Oh, man. Oh, Bobby.
1:02:00
Love Bobby. Oh, Bob Aaron, bro. Still at it.
1:02:06
Still got it. He still got it. Actually, I got
1:02:11
a question. Do you think Inouye becomes more
1:02:12
popular because of that fight in the United States?
1:02:16
Yeah, you got the highlights. That fight's a
1:02:21
fun fucking... Like, always having a fun fight
1:02:23
with a bunch of highlights. is conducive to getting
1:02:30
a bigger profile. Although with Inouye, I feel
1:02:34
like if you like boxing in any capacity, you
1:02:36
know. Absolutely. You know who he is. Anybody
1:02:40
should know who he is. If you like boxing, you
1:02:43
have someone who... I'll tell you, if Inouye
1:02:46
was a stinker this weekend, though, ten times
1:02:48
worse, honestly, if Inouye was also a stinker.
1:02:52
I mean, imagine four, not just three, but four...
1:02:54
for Kerr, Stevenson, Edwin, and Los Santos -type
1:02:56
fights on the same weekend. Oh, my God. I would
1:03:01
honestly have to, like, kiss the ass of the UFC
1:03:02
people. Like, at least, like, one little kiss
1:03:04
on the cheek. Probably on the left. It's really
1:03:11
specific. You know what? You know, for the people
1:03:18
that also watch the UFC podcast, a certain podcast
1:03:23
guy named Isaac. been podcasting with Isaac.
1:03:26
In the chat, he actually said that he thought
1:03:29
that Canelo was going to knock out Skull. And
1:03:33
it was a serve. It's a fair observation if you
1:03:37
didn't know how most Cuban fighters fight. Well,
1:03:43
no, I'm just saying that just to fuck around
1:03:44
with Isaac. Be silly. I can't believe you thought
1:03:49
that, bro. I forgot something he had said about
1:03:53
Jaime Munguia and Bruno Sarras. He had said that
1:03:56
Munguia needs to get it back. Because that was
1:04:00
a really bad knockout. That was a really bad
1:04:04
knockout. This doesn't cut it. This isn't a good
1:04:07
enough win to say... I think it's any win. Any?
1:04:14
I think for that type of loss where it was just
1:04:17
a freak knockout where, like, you literally just
1:04:20
didn't have your hands up at all, like, yeah.
1:04:24
Any win is fine. I agree. Any win is fine. Because
1:04:30
it's not like Saras outclassed him or anything.
1:04:34
He just won by one shot. He was getting outclassed.
1:04:37
And then he got the good shot. Yeah. All right.
1:04:44
Now, anything more for Inouye? Because it's pretty
1:04:49
light. I was expecting that those two cards...
1:04:53
Fight of the year. Fight of the year. Pro box
1:04:55
good. Pro box good. Pro box good. Pro box for
1:05:01
life, bro. Fuck Turkey. Pro box for life. No
1:05:05
more fights Saturday, I hope. Hopefully. Previews.
1:05:12
May 12th through the 17th. On Wednesday, this
1:05:16
will be starting at about 1, 2 in the morning
1:05:20
on the West Coast. This is No Limit in Australia.
1:05:26
Really, the only name on here is Sam Goodman
1:05:29
versus Cesar Roca. Yeah. That's it. Hey, no,
1:05:39
no, no. Hold on. Johnny Fisher and Dave Allen.
1:05:43
The White Rhino's still at it. We'll get there.
1:05:46
Oh, right. Let's do this card. I was like, hold
1:05:48
on. I thought you were talking about all the
1:05:49
previews. No, no. Just wanted to mention Sam
1:05:53
Goodman for the sake of reminding people that
1:05:56
he dropped the ball on Inouye twice. You fucking
1:06:00
could have been hella paid. Hella paid to die.
1:06:04
Yeah, but he decided to keep hard sparring as
1:06:09
the fight closed in. Moving to the 17th, Saturday.
1:06:15
Matchroom in Middlesex. This was in the UK. Johnny
1:06:23
Fisher versus David Allen. Good stuff. I don't
1:06:31
know. I like two fat guys beating the shit out
1:06:33
of each other. I heard it put some... There's
1:06:40
a big... Big boys bumping beef. Basically. Well,
1:06:47
the first fight, did you watch the first fight?
1:06:49
Yes. Yeah, okay. I think it's going to go exactly
1:06:53
the same, minus the result. Alan's going to get
1:06:57
it this time? Yeah, just because they're going
1:07:00
to give Fisher another chance. It's not going
1:07:02
to happen, and they're actually going to give
1:07:04
it to Alan. Because if he doesn't get, if he
1:07:08
doesn't stop Allen in two tries, like, what are
1:07:11
we doing here? Yeah, Johnny Fisher will relegate
1:07:16
himself to... Being the new David Allen. Yeah.
1:07:23
Does David Allen retire off of this win? The
1:07:26
Bosch? Fuck no, he's got, he's got, like, he's
1:07:30
got, like, one more in him. One more embarrassing
1:07:33
loss. When you put it like that. I mean, they've
1:07:39
all been embarrassing. Also on the card, Kieran
1:07:44
Conway versus Jerome Warburton and George Litteret
1:07:48
versus Aaron Sutton. There's other stuff. I don't
1:07:51
really care that much. Sorry. Yeah. This is a
1:07:56
card that is free for a reason. Yep. They're
1:07:59
all free. Except fucking for the turkey shit,
1:08:02
which I had to pay for. Marv Nation. Yep, moving
1:08:06
on. Marv Nation, same day. This one is in Thunder
1:08:09
Studios, Long Beach, California. There's a bunch
1:08:13
of shit on this one as well. The only thing I
1:08:15
really care about, Fernando Vargas Jr. vs. Gonzalo
1:08:19
Correa. So that's fun. Fernando better fucking
1:08:25
win this. If this is who I remember, the Gonzalo
1:08:31
guy, it shouldn't be too bad. Yeah. Let's see,
1:08:37
do I recognize him? Oh yeah, he lost to Munguia
1:08:40
in three rounds. Yeah. Hopefully Vargas wins.
1:08:44
Yeah. I'd like to see Vargas on something that
1:08:48
isn't Marv Nation. Yeah. His other previous fight,
1:08:52
Lizarraga, that was a stinker. I think Fernando
1:09:00
Vargas should get this done pretty handily. Oh
1:09:02
yeah. Moving to 360 Promotions is the last card
1:09:10
on the weekend. From the bottom up, Omar Trinidad
1:09:16
versus Alexandra Espinoza. That's a featherweight
1:09:20
fight. Mizuki Hiruta, a .k .a. Mimi. She's the
1:09:25
anime -looking chick. Has all the weird costumes
1:09:29
and stuff. I actually like the costumes. I do,
1:09:33
too. It's fun. Pretty cool, yeah. And that's
1:09:39
for the WBO Super Flyweight title. Oh, shit.
1:09:43
I think Gabby's getting in your neighborhood
1:09:46
there. Gabby, Gabby. Gabby, Gabby. Yeah, Gabby's
1:09:52
one division below. Well, you know what? It'd
1:09:58
be a good fight. I don't mind it. Yeah. Definitely,
1:10:02
like... In Fundora, like, it's a good, like,
1:10:06
70 -30 in Fundora's ballpark. But not much competition
1:10:13
for Fundora, so. Yeah. No, it should be fine.
1:10:22
And Sergey Bohochuk versus Mikhail Fox. That
1:10:28
should be a good time. Is this the Mikhail Fox
1:10:30
I'm thinking of? Probably. It is. He fought the
1:10:36
UFC. Yeah, that's the one I remember. He also
1:10:41
fought Shoja Han and Ergachev, if you remember
1:10:43
him. Yeah. But how much do you want to fight
1:10:48
like this with a card? It's kind of sad they
1:10:50
screwed him over. Well, that's what happens when
1:10:56
you sign with a lower level. Yeah, you got to
1:10:59
make better choices in your management. So I'm
1:11:04
curious, how would you sign with a big promoter?
1:11:08
Do you like Pohachuk? How he has, I don't know
1:11:12
how his deal is structured, but pretty much wait
1:11:15
it out or fight it out. Yeah, like, I mean, I'm
1:11:21
sure, like, not here. Like, I feel like Probox
1:11:24
is perfect. This is like the perfect Probox moment.
1:11:27
It would be nice if 360 got off a fucking fight
1:11:30
pass. Yeah. God. Like, if you have to pick between
1:11:34
360 or ProBucks, like... I'm watching ProBucks.
1:11:38
ProBucks, you're guaranteed getting another shot
1:11:41
sometime if you keep going. 360... Like, he would
1:11:47
whip some ass on ProBucks and then get another
1:11:50
shot. And if not, ProBucks doesn't pay that bad.
1:11:53
Probably better than 360 promotions, I think.
1:11:57
Yeah, because you're living off of UFC residuals
1:12:01
at that point. You were cooked. Not Freddie Roach.
1:12:05
Lamar Roach was from Provox. Yep. He beat Tank
1:12:08
Davis. Provox good. In fact, Cardenas was a Provox
1:12:11
guy. We just saw. Angelo Lea was a world champion.
1:12:16
Exactly. Wasn't O... Who else was a Pro... No,
1:12:20
Oshaki Fox was a Showbox guy. Not a Provox guy.
1:12:25
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For the outro stuff, parting words. Fuck Turkey.
1:13:52
I love Bob. ProBuck's good. ProBuck's good. Fuck
1:13:54
Turkey. I prefer BLTs. No more bullshit in Saudi
1:13:59
Arabia. I don't want to see any more fucking
1:14:01
Riyadh bullshit. Could you guys buy out a different
1:14:05
sport, man? Like, go buy baseball or something.
1:14:09
Honestly, the thing is that they give us a lot
1:14:12
of shit, but they give us... It's just shit.
1:14:15
It's not giving us a lot of shit. It's just shit.
1:14:18
They're giving us shit. than give it a shit.
1:14:21
It's horrible. It is downright horrendous. Let's
1:14:24
go, Bobby. Let's go, Ali. I love them. They should
1:14:30
work together more. Fuck Turkey, bro. Also, fuck
1:14:37
Ryan for losing to Rolly Romero. I love Ryan,
1:14:38
but what the hell are you doing, man? Come on.
1:14:41
What are we doing? Yeah. All right. If that's
1:14:47
all you got. And that's all for this edition
1:14:51
of the Boxing B -Sides. We'll see you on the
1:14:54
other side of fucking Meanie Hiruta. That's the
1:15:02
one I'm going with. Yeah.