Latest / Catholic Spirit Radio / Good News #192 092725: Listening When It Matters: The Rich Man, Lazarus, and a Call to Mercy
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- 0:00Welcome to Good News on Catholic Spirit Radio, a program for teens and almost
- 0:04teens to better understand that the gospel of Jesus Christ is relevant in their
- 0:09lives, and it's a place where your questions about faith and religion can be answered.
- 0:13And now, here's your host, Deacon Al.
- 0:16Good evening, and welcome to Good News on Catholic Spirit Radio.
- 0:20I am Deacon Al Lundy, a permanent deacon of the Peoria Diocese.
- 0:24Happy to have you all with us tonight.
- 0:26We're going to be speaking about the good news, the gospel of Jesus Christ,
- 0:30as shared with us at this weekend's Mass on the 26th Sunday of Ordinary Time.
- 0:37I like this gospel, especially.
- 0:40It has some moments in there that are very important to me.
- 0:44I've always enjoyed this gospel, and I think there's a lot of material there
- 0:48for us to think about, contemplate, pray about.
- 0:52But first, let's talk about the week. So, as you know, we invite everyone to send in questions.
- 0:57To our mailbag at Good News at Catholic Spirit Radio, and we don't get very
- 1:02many people writing in at all.
- 1:05That's not that unusual, but I do enjoy apologetics.
- 1:10I enjoy talking about the faith, explaining the faith, and so I get to stretch
- 1:16my apologetic muscles on the internet.
- 1:20Now, there's some discussion groups on religion that I like to take part in.
- 1:24They're pretty good, but they're starting to really annoy me. I've got to tell you.
- 1:30One reason is a lot of questions on various, not just Catholicism,
- 1:35but on Christianity and Judaism.
- 1:37And it talks about all the different religions.
- 1:41And there's a lot of good questions being asked, especially questions about
- 1:45the Protestant faith, questions that make sense to ask.
- 1:49You know, one of them this week was, how often does the Protestant church celebrate communion?
- 1:58And do they all celebrate communion? I think it's a really good question.
- 2:02My problem is that 80% of the questions about Catholicism are antagonistic.
- 2:09They're very accusative, and oftentimes they're based on absolute mythology.
- 2:16You know, parts about why do you worship idols?
- 2:19We don't. Why do you take part in cannibalism in the communion?
- 2:24We don't. And I'm not sure that these are even questions from non-Catholics.
- 2:29I think a lot of this is just internet trolls.
- 2:31So I tend not to answer those. One question that came up this week,
- 2:36which really kind of irked me for a couple of reasons.
- 2:40And the question was, I wrote it down because I thought it was kind of interesting.
- 2:44What arguments do Catholics use to defend keeping the Mass similar to early
- 2:50Christian worship, despite changes in society?
- 2:54And I'm thinking, not just how do we defend it, why?
- 3:01Who do I have to defend the mass to?
- 3:04If you don't like the mass, don't take part in it.
- 3:07If you don't understand the mass, ask questions about it.
- 3:11But to assume that I have to defend it for some reason or anyone has to defend it?
- 3:17No, there's nothing to defend. The mass is our mass.
- 3:21Whether it changes or not, there's no need. for us to defend it.
- 3:25I can explain it, happy to explain the parts of it. It's a beautiful worship service.
- 3:33But anyway, it's things like that that just kind of grind on me,
- 3:38because these are questions that are based on mythology. They're based on falsehoods.
- 3:44So before you start assuming that you know what the Catholic faith is,
- 3:48a good place to start is asking, what does the Catholic Church say about this?
- 3:54What do they actually teach about this?
- 3:57And that's very few of the questions we get, very few of the questions that the Catholics get.
- 4:03One on there was, and this shows me that these aren't even Christians who are asking the question.
- 4:09One of the questions was, why do we, meaning the writer is including themselves
- 4:14in this grouping, this collective,
- 4:18why do we make the sign of the cross before and after the homily during the Mass?
- 4:25So, you know what this question tells me? This person hasn't been to a Mass.
- 4:29This is not someone who's Catholic. And why are they saying we as if including themselves?
- 4:36Because we don't do that. I mean, there's been a couple of occasions where the
- 4:42deacon or the priest might end their homily as a prayer with the sign of the
- 4:47cross, and then we would respond that way.
- 4:50But it's not really part of the Mass.
- 4:53We make the sign of the cross before the gospel.
- 4:57Actually, we make three signs of the cross, one on our head,
- 5:00one on our lips, and one on our heart.
- 5:03And this is to remind us to keep the Word of God in our thoughts,
- 5:08on our lips, in our heart.
- 5:11But we don't make the sign of the cross after. We don't make it as part of the homily.
- 5:18So why would someone pretend to be Catholic?
- 5:21If they have a question, why not just ask, when in the Mass do you make the
- 5:25sign of the cross? Because it's several times.
- 5:28But that wasn't the question. So I guess what I'm saying, if you're going to
- 5:33take part in the Internet.
- 5:36Especially either for study or to answer questions, be very careful.
- 5:41Because it's a jungle out there.
- 5:44I mean, it's just a mess.
- 5:46People pretend to be things they aren't. People pretend to know about things
- 5:51that they don't know about.
- 5:53And so much of it is what's called the vincible ignorance. Ignorance comes in many flavors.
- 5:59There are things we don't know because they can't be known.
- 6:03There are things we don't know because we've never learned about them.
- 6:06There are things we don't know because we don't need to learn about them.
- 6:10I know nothing about the details of brain surgery because I never intend to
- 6:14do that, right? So I don't need to know.
- 6:16So I'm ignorant about brain surgery because I don't need to know about it.
- 6:21But then there are things that we don't know that we easily could know.
- 6:26I mean, there's a lot of things that you can look up on the internet,
- 6:30in a book, talk to an expert.
- 6:34There are a lot of things you could learn to know if you made the effort.
- 6:40But so many people on the internet are ignorant about really common,
- 6:46simple things that are easy to find resources on.
- 6:51And they're asking strangers on the internet about it. I mean,
- 6:56people with personal problems.
- 6:58And there are people on one of the websites on religion asking if they should divorce their spouse.
- 7:05Now, I'm sorry, if I was considering something that drastic,
- 7:09would I ask, would I just stop somebody on the street and say,
- 7:13hey, you think I should get a divorce?
- 7:15I mean, that's basically what you're doing on the internet when you ask those kinds of things.
- 7:19It's just, be very careful. The internet's a mess. It really is.
- 7:24There's more bad information on the internet than there is good.
- 7:29And now with AI, making stuff up.
- 7:33A machine that has no life experience, just making stuff up, just unbelievable.
- 7:40And people say, well, it's on the internet, got to be true.
- 7:43That was one of my favorite quotes from the internet was, if it's on the internet,
- 7:47it has to be true. And it's signed Abraham Lincoln.
- 7:49You know, it's just, guys, the internet's a mess.
- 7:54There are so many better sources of information on so many things.
- 7:59I'm not saying the internet's completely a waste of time.
- 8:02I'm just saying, you have to be really, really careful, because it can be very,
- 8:09very fallacious, and it's just a mess. There's no real regulation.
- 8:15There's no way to tell what a person's real knowledge base is on a subject.
- 8:22I mean, I've read posts from people who've claimed to be theologians and biblical
- 8:28scholars and even clergy, and you can just tell by the question.
- 8:33They have no background at all in this.
- 8:37They've just, I mean, you can just type whatever you want.
- 8:40I could type Pope on the end of my name if I wanted, you know,
- 8:44and there are people out there going, oh, look, there's a Pope,
- 8:46there's a Pope Al. Well, you know, it's just, I don't know, it's just insane.
- 8:53So I still check these out every now and then, because every now and then there's a good question.
- 8:57Like two out of ten have a really sincere
- 9:00question and really want to know something and happy to explain it.
- 9:04I especially like good questions from non-Catholics.
- 9:09Someone who's really curious, who's not sure if what they've learned is true
- 9:15or what they've heard about Catholicism is true, and they just want to hear the truth.
- 9:21I love those kind of questions, but man, there's just not enough of them.
- 9:26Anyway, off my soapbox. Other than that, week's gone good, a lot of stuff going on at church.
- 9:34We're getting ready to do some landscaping that I'm involved in,
- 9:36and I enjoy that a lot at home as well as at church.
- 9:40But yeah, we're about to beautify the grounds at our parish center and our church.
- 9:45And within the next couple of weeks, the new plants will be in and the new trees,
- 9:48and it's going to be very exciting.
- 9:49And we've just got, we're training new altar servers. Next month,
- 9:54we're training new lectors.
- 9:56We've just got bunches of stuff going on. And today, tonight after Mass and
- 10:01Sunday after Mass, I'll be outside with my brother Nights in my yellow vest selling Tootsie Rolls.
- 10:09Actually, exchanging Tootsie Rolls for a donation to help the intellectually disabled.
- 10:16And so nice act of charity that the Knights take part in every year.
- 10:22I forget how long they've been doing Tootsie Roll sales, but it's been a long time, long, long time.
- 10:27So thanks to those of you who have been donating to that cause.
- 10:31It's a wonderful act of charity.
- 10:33And charity is something we're going to be talking about this weekend on the
- 10:3726th Sunday in Ordinary Times. So we'll take a short break.
- 10:41When we come back, we'll look at the readings from this weekend's Mass.
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- 12:22Welcome back to Good News. I am Deacon Al, and happy to have you with us.
- 12:27So we're looking at the readings from the 26th Sunday in Ordinary Time.
- 12:31Oh my gosh, we are like 90 days from Christmas.
- 12:36That's that's just phenomenal i mean the the year has just gone so so quickly
- 12:41so we have a reading from the prophet amos for the old testament reading a letter
- 12:47from paul to timothy for our new testament reading and then we are still in
- 12:51the gospel according to luke we get to the gospel,
- 12:55The very last line's my favorite. So, the gospel, I'll give you a little head start on it.
- 13:00Jesus is lecturing the Pharisees, and they're not paying any attention to him.
- 13:04So, he tells them a story about what happens when you don't pay attention to God.
- 13:09And the last line is my favorite. And it says, if they'll not listen to Moses
- 13:15and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.
- 13:21Really knocking home to them what's about to happen, and they are clueless. absolutely clueless.
- 13:27And even after it happens, they're still clueless.
- 13:31All right. A reading from the book of the prophet Amos.
- 13:34Thus says the Lord, the God of hosts, woe to the complacent in Zion,
- 13:39lying upon beds of ivory stretched comfortably on their couches.
- 13:43They eat lambs taken from the flock and calves from the stall,
- 13:48improvising to the music of the harp like David.
- 13:50They devise their own accompaniment. They drink wine from bowls and anoint themselves with the best oils.
- 13:57Yet they are not made ill by the collapse of Joseph.
- 14:01Therefore, now they will be the first to go into exile, and their wanton revelry
- 14:07shall be done away with. The word of the Lord.
- 14:10It's just reminding us that you can live as luxuriously as you want now,
- 14:16but eventually, you have to pay for that.
- 14:19Eventually, there will be the comeuppance.
- 14:21There will be the judgment. and you will be judged for how you lived in this life.
- 14:27Our second reading is from the first letter of St. Paul to Timothy.
- 14:31Paul writes, But you, man of God, pursue righteousness, devotion,
- 14:37faith, love, patience, and gentleness.
- 14:40Compete well for the faith. Lay hold of eternal life to which you were called
- 14:45when you made the noble confession in the presence of many witnesses.
- 14:49I charge you before God who gives life to all things and before Christ Jesus,
- 14:54who gave testimony under Pontius Pilate for the noble confession,
- 14:58to keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearance of our Lord Jesus Christ,
- 15:05that the blessed and only ruler will make manifest at the proper time the King
- 15:10of kings and the Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable
- 15:16light, and whom no human being has seen or can see.
- 15:20To him be honor and eternal power. Amen.
- 15:24So Paul's reminding Timothy that he's taken an oath now to be a bishop,
- 15:30to be the caretaker, the shepherd of some of these churches that Paul has begun,
- 15:37some of these Catholic churches.
- 15:39And he's reminding Timothy of his charge and the fact that he owes his responsibility
- 15:44not to the world, not to other men, but to God himself, and that he needs to
- 15:50behave in a way that's Christlike.
- 15:53Patience, love, gentleness, devotion. He's calling him to be true to his faith
- 15:59no matter what goes on in the secular world around him, and reminds him that
- 16:04he has but one master, and it's not Paul.
- 16:07Timothy is a respondent to Christ, and only to Christ, for good reason,
- 16:14because he is the one sole authority over the earth and over the church.
- 16:20So, our gospel, our gospels from Luke.
- 16:24And as they say it, Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees. Jesus said to the Pharisees,
- 16:29There was a rich man who dressed in purple garments and fine linen and dined sumptuously each day.
- 16:36And lying at his door was a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores,
- 16:41who would gladly have eaten his fill of the scraps that fell from the rich man's table.
- 16:46Dogs even used to come and lick his sores. Then the poor man died,
- 16:51and he was carried away by angels to the bosom of Abraham.
- 16:54The rich man also died and was buried.
- 16:57And from the netherworld, where he was in torment, he raised his eyes and saw
- 17:02Abraham far off, and Lazarus at his side.
- 17:06And he cried out, Father Abraham, have pity on me.
- 17:10Send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water to cool my tongue,
- 17:15for I am suffering torment in these flames.
- 17:18Abraham replied, My child, remember that you received what was good during your
- 17:24lifetime, while Lazarus likewise received what was bad.
- 17:28But now he is comforted here, whereas you are tormented.
- 17:33Moreover, between us and you, a great chasm has been established to prevent
- 17:38anyone from crossing who might wish to go from our side to yours or from your side to ours.
- 17:44He said, Then I beg you, Father, send him to my father's house,
- 17:49for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they too come to this place of torment.
- 17:55But Abraham replied, They have Moses and the prophets.
- 17:59Let them listen to them.
- 18:02And he said, Oh no, Father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.
- 18:08Then Abraham said, If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets,
- 18:13neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead. The Gospel of the Lord.
- 18:19Now, as it happens, I am homilist this weekend at one of the parishes I serve.
- 18:26And so my homily is on this very gospel.
- 18:29And I don't often get to use my homilies as part of the program,
- 18:34but I thought I would this time because my wife said it's very good and I trust her.
- 18:41So, she didn't like the opening, by the way. I'll share that,
- 18:44but I kept it because I like the opening.
- 18:47Early today, my wife and I had an argument.
- 18:50She says I never listened to her.
- 18:53Eliseth, I think that's what she said. I wasn't really listening.
- 18:58Now, I know that's an old joke, but it seems to be much older than I thought
- 19:02as it appears to be part of today's parable in our gospel reading.
- 19:06This Sunday, we're presented with the famous parable of the rich man and Lazarus.
- 19:11In a previous verse, Luke tells us that Jesus was addressing the Pharisees whom
- 19:16Luke writes in verse 14 and 15, the Pharisees who loved money,
- 19:21heard all these things and sneered at him.
- 19:25And he said to them, you justify yourselves in the sight of others,
- 19:28but God knows your hearts.
- 19:30For what is of human esteem is an abomination in the sight of God.
- 19:36And that's what led Jesus into this parable.
- 19:40He's trying to teach the Pharisees something, and they hear him,
- 19:44but they're just not listening.
- 19:47The rich man's problem is the same as the Pharisees, it's not that they're wealthy.
- 19:52Being wealthy is not a sin. It does not separate one from the love of God.
- 19:58The rich man and the Pharisees' problem is that they just didn't listen.
- 20:02They didn't listen to Moses. They didn't listen to the prophets.
- 20:06The wealthy man didn't pay attention to the signs that God put directly in front of him.
- 20:11The Pharisees aren't listening to Christ, God incarnate.
- 20:15The first thing that struck me is that the rich man doesn't have a name.
- 20:20Rather, he's known only for his immense riches that enable him to give splendid banquets each day.
- 20:26He also wears expensive clothes that highlight his social position and wealth.
- 20:31Purple was a costly, long-lasting dye produced from sea snails.
- 20:36And the best linen used to come directly from Egypt.
- 20:40This was the royal clothing worn by monarchs. So in a certain sense,
- 20:44the rich man represents anonymously all wealthy persons and societies.
- 20:51But the poor man in the parable does have a name.
- 20:54He is a specific person for Jesus, who calls him very appropriately Lazarus,
- 21:00the Greek form of the Hebrew name Eleazar, which means God has helped.
- 21:06Lazarus represents every person who is needy or who suffers unjustly.
- 21:11He also brings to mind Lazarus from Bethany, the sick friend of Jesus' who he
- 21:16raised from the dead, and who St.
- 21:18John tells us the Pharisees wanted to kill.
- 21:21Jesus employs some well-known concepts from Judaism, in that the narrative's
- 21:26main concern doesn't seem to be to describe the heaven or hell,
- 21:30but to underline two things.
- 21:33The immortality of the soul, and the justice of divine retribution for all.
- 21:39The rich man ends up badly and is condemned to Hades.
- 21:43St. John Chrysostom says he wasn't suffering torment because he had been rich,
- 21:48but because he hadn't been merciful.
- 21:51He values his wealth only for his own benefit and status.
- 21:55He is a poor steward of his resources.
- 21:58Last week's gospel tells us that you cannot serve both God and mammon.
- 22:03In today's parable, we see the consequences of that.
- 22:06Suffering greatly, the rich man asks Abraham to warn his brothers of the punishment
- 22:11awaiting them by sending a clearer message than simply the Scriptures.
- 22:16In fact, the rich man had been unable to see the very visible sign that God
- 22:21placed right in front of his door each day, the sick and hungry poor man who
- 22:27only the dogs approached to lick his wounds.
- 22:30Even now, the wealthy man sees Lazarus as beneath him and only good for serving
- 22:35the needs of the rich man.
- 22:37Hence, he deserved to be punished.
- 22:40Jesus tells the clueless Pharisees that they won't obey God even if a person
- 22:45were to rise up from the dead.
- 22:47Jesus is that man on the doorstep. God has sent as a sign, and yet the Pharisees aren't listening.
- 22:56Jesus thus highlights the danger that threatens every one of us,
- 23:00and especially those who possess abundant material goods, that of indifference
- 23:04towards their fellow men and women, and towards those who are suffering.
- 23:09This danger especially affects what Pope Francis described as a throwaway culture,
- 23:15a culture that today surrounds us daily.
- 23:18The parable encourages us to live in a personal and collective way the works of mercy.
- 23:24To the extent of our abilities, we need to strive to remedy human suffering,
- 23:29which extends not only to material
- 23:31poverty, but also to the many forms of cultural and religious poverty.
- 23:36Gregory the Great insists that we give to the poor what is essential for them.
- 23:41We are not doing them a personal favor, but rather restoring to them what is theirs.
- 23:47More than an act of charity, we are fulfilling a duty of justice.
- 23:52Are we listening? We have the same warnings from Jesus and the prophets that
- 23:58Jesus refers to in the parable in today's gospel.
- 24:01Are we using our wealth and resources only for ourselves?
- 24:05Or are we mindful stewards of the gifts that God has allowed us in this life?
- 24:10Perhaps you're not the rich man in the parable, but you're Lazarus.
- 24:14Remember that God is with you always, even in the silence. Do not lose heart or your trust in God.
- 24:21Remember Jesus' words in the Sermon on the Mount.
- 24:24Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of God.
- 24:28Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted. Blessed are the weak,
- 24:32they will inherit the land.
- 24:34Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
- 24:39Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Blessed are the clean
- 24:44of heart, for they will see God.
- 24:46Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
- 24:50And blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
- 24:54for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
- 24:56Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind
- 25:00of evil against you falsely because of me.
- 25:04Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven.
- 25:08Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
- 25:12Lazarus' eloquent and trusting silence in our parable, invites us to be faithful
- 25:17and to trust in God, even in the most difficult times.
- 25:22Today, let us pray for those with an abundance of resources,
- 25:26that they have hearts of love for those in need.
- 25:29Let us pray for those in need, that they not lose their hope in God through
- 25:34the selfishness of others.
- 25:36And let us pray for ourselves, that through the gifts of the Holy Spirit,
- 25:40we have the wisdom to truly listen and to follow Jesus' command to love God
- 25:45and to love our neighbor as ourselves.
- 25:49Until next weekend, may Almighty God bless you, protect you from all evil,
- 25:54and bring you to everlasting life.
- 25:57Amen. You've been listening to Good News on Catholic Spirit Radio,
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