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E287: Separating Myth from Fact: A Common-Sense Understanding of V*ccines w/Dr Peter McCullough | E287 · The Lila Rose Show

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I was a full professor of medicine, one of the most
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published people in my field. I'm now one of the most
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published and recognized person in the world on the pandemic.
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This last half of a decade has been a mind blowing reality when
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it comes to health care and issues that are close to.
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Us once they started to do their own research because everyone
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was kind of scrambling and doing it during COVID, they started to
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realize, oh, a lot doesn't add up that I just assumed added up
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before when it came to recommendations from the medical
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establishment. That was me.
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Listen, I took all the vaccines. I took 40 flu shots, 40 out of
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my 69 shots. I cannot be labeled as an anti
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vax. But if you knew what you knew
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today and you had the choice, would you still take those 69
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vaccine? If I knew what I know now.
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Here at the Lila Rose Show, no conversation is off limits, and
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we believe in the power of education, nuance, and data.
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Last year, we sat down with Doctor Bob Sears to discuss all
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things immunization schedule, particularly childhood
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immunization, which I recommend you check out.
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He gave a very balanced view. But today we're talking with
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Doctor Peter McCullough, who is perhaps the most influential Dr.
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on the topic of immunizations, both COVID and beyond.
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Doctor Peter McCullough, welcome to the podcast.
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Thanks for having me. It's an honor to sit down with
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you. You, we were talking earlier and
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you've been on a lot of shows and I think your episodes tend
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to be the ones that blow all the other episodes of the water
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because you just say what use on your mind and you're not
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filtered. So thank you for coming on
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today. I think it's going to be a great
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conversation. Well, thank you.
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I mean, I think we all would come to recognize in some way
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this last half of a decade has been a mind blowing reality when
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it comes to health care and issues that are close to us.
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Yes, there is a study that was just done in the last year that
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apparently the trust in the medical establishment pre COVID
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was around 70%. Post COVID, it has declined 30%
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or over. The 30% is to find 30 percentage
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points is now 40% or lower. And I think you are a living
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example case study of why that is because of what you had to
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face with the medical establishment, not you
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personally. Meaning you're the you're,
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you're the one who wasn't trusted, but the medical
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establishment treatment of you and millions of other Americans
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is responsible for that. Well, the first point I'd make
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is I am the medical establishment.
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So yeah, I was a full professor of medicine, one of the most
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published people in my field in the world in history.
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I studied heart and kidney disease.
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I'm now one of the most published and recognized person
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in the world on the pandemic, both the antiviral infection,
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the treatment clinical strategies and on the vaccines.
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So I am the medical establishment.
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The medical orthodoxy, in a sense, broke from common sense.
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That's the issue, and they can't explain it.
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This is very important. So a lot of people recognize me.
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I'm a frequent contributor on Fox News, Fox Business.
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I've been on ABC, been on all the major channels.
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I'm a regular on the Newsmax and Real America's Voice and One
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American News. They see me testify in the
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Senate and the House of Representatives.
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Do you know, nobody from the medical orthodoxy has done that.
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This is very interesting. No one from the Mayo Clinic has
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come out and said, well, we, we've taken a a great step here
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and we've come up with a way of treating patients with COVID-19.
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We're expressing our concerns regarding this approach in the
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pandemic. Nobody from Harvard, nobody from
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Yale. This is quite interesting.
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The medical orthodoxy at this point in time, I would
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characterize, is shamefully silent on their performance
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through the pandemic and other related controversies that have
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emerged. I think I was susceptible to
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distrust before COVID because I saw what ACOG did on the issue
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of abortion. People know my background very
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passionately. Pro-life and they mainstreamed
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abortion for all obstetricians, gynecologists saying that this
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was somehow healthcare when the vast majority of them at the
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time in the 70s were not in support of abortion.
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And they said this is actually met, you know, healthcare, it's
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medically necessary, all these things.
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So I've seen institutions become Co opted by ideology.
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You experienced this personally during COVID and you became
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really the black sheep of the medical establishment.
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You were this prestigious, you are this prestigious member, but
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then everybody started in the medical establishment to hate
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you because you were willing to just speak what seemed very
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common sense at the time for you.
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I want people to hear that story.
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I know you've shared that before in other shows, but just as a
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part of your introduction, you shared a little bit about your
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background already. But tell us what happened to you
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during COVID, because I think that will help us better
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understand where we're at today. Well, let me set the record
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straight. I've never gotten a hate e-mail
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or a text or a phone call from anyone in the medical
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establishment. Nothing.
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Nothing. It's been a complete wall of
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silence. And so when I examined what was
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going on in the first few months of the pandemic and some people
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were getting sick. Now, the case count and the
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severity of the entire SARS COVID 2 outbreak was grossly
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exaggerated. Grossly exaggerated.
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But having said that, I was caring for patients and some did
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really get sick. In fact, through the pandemic, I
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lost 2 patients. So when I proposed that we treat
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the infection early at home to prevent 2 bad outcomes,
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hospitalization and death, that's when the medical
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orthodoxy fell silent. This is very important.
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It's not like Harvard stepped up and said, you know, Doctor
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McCullough was right. I was just an endowed named
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visiting professor at Harvard in 2019.
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They all knew me. I'd given grand rounds at Mayo
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Clinic. It's not.
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The phone rang from the, you know, a chairman at Mayo Clinic,
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one of whom I trained was my intern when I was a senior
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resident in Seattle at University of Washington.
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Not like I got a phone call saying, wow, this is really
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good, McCall. I'm glad you're stepping up.
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No one else is doing it. So we had no one in the first
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Trump administration and no one in the Biden administration that
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could articulate the problem. The problem is people were
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getting sick with SARS COVID 2 infection.
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Some individuals who we can largely predict who are elderly,
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frail, obese, had medical problems, some were becoming
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hospitalized, and nearly all the deaths that occurred occurred in
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the hospital. That was the problem.
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The solution was to prevent hospitalizations and deaths.
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Does that because going on a ventilator was so destructive
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and quickly would lead to death? What was it about
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hospitalization, just for people's context here, that was
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so deadly for people? Largely it was the early
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commitment to mechanical ventilation and we've published
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several papers and I noticed this when I was managing
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patients is an outpatient that we could let the oxygen
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saturation go low and they'd survive.
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In fact, I had a physician and her husband and they they knew
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the hospital spelled death. And they got really sick.
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I said, Doctor McCullough, we're not going to the hospital.
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We did everything. We did.
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The full published McCullough protocol, which was published in
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the American Journal of Medicine, still the most widely
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used protocol to treat COVID-19 in the world.
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You're talking to the person who devised the broadest, most
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impactful pandemic countermeasure ever.
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Color protocol has been credited with saving 10s of millions of
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lives and sparing hundreds of millions of hospitalizations.
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The vaccines didn't do that. We were using the protocol even
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before the vaccines. And remind people what that
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protocol included. That protocol started with when
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you get COVID-19, test positive, get outside, get some fresh air.
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You weren't allowed to during. As.
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The beaches were closed here in Basin.
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Sprays and gargles reduce the viral contagion in the viral
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load. Nutraceuticals and supplements.
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Oral drugs generically available, you know,
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prescription drugs and then we moved on to anti inflammatories,
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corticosteroids, antithrombotics, monoclonal
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antibodies. It was the most comprehensive
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protocol. The McCullough protocol is far
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more comprehensive than what patients got in the hospital.
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And so this couple said, Doctor McCullough, we are not going to
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the hospital. I said oxygen saturation is
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getting low and and we are getting accurate measurements.
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And what we had observed is that provided the work of breathing
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was acceptable and mental function was OK, that the low
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oxygen saturation alone was not enough to make the call for
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hospitalization, let alone go on the ventilator.
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And so they were, you know, a normal oxygen saturation on the
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finger measurement is greater than 94%.
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Hospitals were routinely putting people on the ventilator when
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the saturation was just below 90%.
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Well, in this couple and many other patients I managed, they
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went into the 70s, even into the 60s.
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And I said, you know, we're a little short of breath when
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we're trying to, you know, in the kitchen trying to clean up
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and what have you. And this went on for weeks.
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So that was the standard protocol in hospitals across the
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country is to stick them on the ventilator.
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When you go, you dip below 90%. That's wild.
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Paralyzed, sedated. No questions asked, no
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possibility of refusing. And go on the ventilator.
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Remember, families couldn't be there to advocate for their
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loved ones. And so virtually every death
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occurred in the hospital. And one of the things that I
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noticed is a paper published in JAMA in 2020 about what the
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paramedics were seeing when they were picking up patients to go
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into the hospital. And the paramedics, the
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paramedic reports were like, listen, they're not that sick.
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It's really, you know, somebody in independent living, they're
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nervous. They haven't seen their family
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in a couple weeks. They're they're sick.
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They're not sure what's going to happen.
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They hit the panic button to go to the hospital and they never
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came out. So there were two bad outcomes,
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hospitalization and death. Neither Trump nor Biden could
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articulate that. Not Fauci clearly couldn't
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articulate that. Trump and Biden completely
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aligned with Fauci. And so here we go.
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When we can't articulate the goal of any operation, we
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certainly can't be successful in achieving it.
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And our government failed miserably.
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You said earlier, well, you didn't get ugly phone calls or
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texts or emails from past or even current colleagues or those
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in the medical establishment. They just were like acting like
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you didn't exist, like your protocol didn't exist, your
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recommendations didn't exist, your success rate of dealing
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with COVID patients didn't exist.
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They just pretended you didn't exist.
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If you Google your name, which I'm sure people will do and have
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done many, many, many Times Now you're Joe Rogan's top podcast
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episode. Wikipedia, you know, calls you,
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you know, peddle of misinformation.
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You, you lost your board certifications.
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So it it seems that perhaps if the medical establishment isn't
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directly attacking you because maybe they have no legs to stand
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on, the media certainly is. Well, it's interesting, the
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medical media and particular sources of the medical media.
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So there's Med page today. There's factcheck.org.
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Live action has been hit by them, and dishonestly of course,
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on fact checks part. But the funding sources behind
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these, and we've looked at it carefully, the funding sources
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behind everybody that's hit me is what we call the
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biopharmaceutical complex. And in my first book, Courage to
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Face COVID-19, Preventing Hospitalizations and Deaths
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While Battling the biopharmaceutical Complex, we
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define the complex. What is this?
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What is this cartel that is advancing the pandemic
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narrative? And what we found is that
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clearly it's dominated by non governmental organizations.
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The World Economic Forum, the World Health Organization, the
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United Nations, SEPI, the Coalition for Epidemic
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Preparedness Innovation founded by Gates Foundation and World
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Economic Forum, the Gates Foundation.
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Rockefeller Trust. Welcome Trust.
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Gabi, UNAIDA, government organization and the list goes
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on and on. They're working in careful
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collaboration on pandemics and pandemic responses and and to
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articulate you say, well, why are they doing this?
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What's best memorialized is the business plan for SEPI,
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Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation Tune,
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you know, funded to the tune of billions of dollars, founded by
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Gates Foundation and the World Economic Forum and other
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companies contributed. And what SEPI said in 2017 is
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there's going to be a series of pandemics, a series of them, one
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after another. And for each pandemic, there
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will be only one solution, mass vaccination.
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Why did they write that in 2017? Why did that seem to play out in
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2021 when the vaccines rolled out?
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Sappy's written a white paper on Disease X.
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There's going to be another one. It's called Disease X.
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Are you, but are you implying there that they somehow had a
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hand in creating COVID? I know there's obviously the
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theories about COVID and a lab and the government's involvement
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and it kind of got, you know, the lab leak got out of the lab
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and it was engineered by scientists trying to prep for
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potential future pandemics. And then we accidentally created
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our own pandemic. Are you saying is that your, is
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that your perspective that this could have been engineered by
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these global? I brought up the
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biopharmaceutical complex when we mentioned this, medical media
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and factcheck.org. factcheck.org is directly funded by the
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Annenberg Foundation, which is at University of Pennsylvania,
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which is directly funded by the Gates Foundation.
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There's a direct relationship. Fact Check. check.org probably
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has dozens of posts. What Doctor McCullough says
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that's not true. Doctor McCullough has been
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discredited. So there's a direct relationship
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between this biopharmaceutical complex and the medical media
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who's pursued me and other doctors in my circle.
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I think what it sounds like you're saying, and I've heard
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this before and I think it makes sense, is that there is this
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understanding that there will be, there can there have been
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pandemics historically, Obviously there may be pandemics
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in the future. Their whole job is pandemics in
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part some of these institutions, that's certainly what funding
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goes towards, studying them and preparing for them.
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And so and in their view, vaccines are God's gift to
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humanity. And so we should obviously have
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a vaccine when there's a pandemic.
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So my sense of it is it's not some grand conspiracy.
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Let's create the pandemic and then let's go, you know, push
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vaccines on the people to solve the pandemic as much as it is.
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They're just very much wired to think pandemic, vaccine
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solution. Give me money, I'm going to keep
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doing this. Rinse and repeat when it
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happens. It may what you say may have
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been true at the beginning, but in my second book, Vaccines,
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Mythology, Ideology and Reality, you know, we bring up these
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epics of time over the last 300 years.
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We're in the fourth epic now, started in 2004 with the US Bio
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Shield Act and then 2005, the Prep Act.
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These memorialize this idea that we're going to have pandemics.
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They will come as a threat from man made biological pathogens,
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viruses, bacteria and fungi. This is written into U.S. law.
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I mean it is there for for everyone to read and that we
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will get ready with countermeasures.
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And the principal countermeasure is a vaccine, but it could be a
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therapeutic, a test, a personal protective equipment.
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And these countermeasures will take maximum priority
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budgetarily, They'll be free of any liability, and we'll have
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government agencies working on both.
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And in 2024, the Biden administration memorialized this
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with some written legislation. And it's concerning pathogens of
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pathogens of pandemic potential that have a dual purpose.
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It's very important legislators uses those words and says,
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listen, there are labs working on the next pandemic pathogens.
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This is going on. the US is funding this, not-for-profit
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agencies are funding this. They're at university
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laboratories, government laboratories.
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This is going on. So here's some legislation.
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We're going to catalog everything we're working on.
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And what are the threats? And then what are the answers?
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Are you saying there should be no anticipatory research done on
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potential future pathogens? Or you know, viruses that cause
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pandemics and and potential future work done to help prepare
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vaccines? I would.
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What should they do instead? Well, I, I would say it's very
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similar to nuclear bomb research.
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I mean, should there be nuclear bomb research and then nuclear
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defense systems? Yeah, there's research going on
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there. I mean, you know, countries are
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in the business of war, but these viruses, fungi and
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bacteria are not just a scientific curiosity.
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They're the They can be the business of war, too.
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They are the business of war. They are the intention of war.
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And so this idea, well, let's just have the Chinese come in
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and fund a bio lab here in California.
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That seems problematic on its face.
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Right. I was like, OK, we're doing this
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and I. Think most people would agree
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that? How about?
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Just this voluntary reporting that the Biden administration as
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well, you can voluntarily report this.
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I'm on the standing committee in the US, in the Arizona Senate.
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And the senators always ask me, Doctor McCullough, what can we
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do to be prepared? I said First off, call in all
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your health systems and let's review what they did in the
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first pandemic. How did they do?
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Which hospitals in your state had the highest mortality?
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Which one they had lowest mortality?
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Do you know what I single state has done?
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A pandemic review of hospital care including California.
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Do you know that no single state has actually done an inventory
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of these bio labs in their states?
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So I mean all that seems silly. It seems like those inventory
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should be taken an analysis post.
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You know, the post mortem of the system that was supposed to
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manage post mortems should be evaluated.
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But in terms of I'm very interested in, I know a lot of
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Americans are very interested in and the people who listen to
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this show. What is the solution?
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And you've seen it first hand and you've been critical to your
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point earlier. You your focus has always been
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solutions. You were trying to seek
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solutions for your patients and recommend solutions for other
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doctors in the medical establishment to practice.
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You are, though, very critical of how it's been operating in
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this whole thing that you're describing your first book that
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you just mentioned how that this, you know, this complex as
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you call it, that exists. What is the solution?
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What should the posture of the government and the medical
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institutions be to the potential for future pandemics?
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What would you recommend as a solution?
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You're all I can do is say what would I do if I was in a
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leadership role? What if, what would I do if I
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was president of the United States or secretary of HHS or or
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commissioner of the FDA? And the list goes on.
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That's the fairest question to ask, right?
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So boy, talk about our last two presidents, right, Trump and
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Biden. I mean, there there's just a, a
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work list of things to do a admit the pandemic mistakes that
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occurred. Fauci has to be brought up for
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investigation and potentially court proceedings.
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We have to remove the COVID vaccines off the market since
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they failed. And there's giant concerns over
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injuries, disabilities and deaths.
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We have to have Washington review of what happened in the
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hospitals. We have to have review of why
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were Americans denied early treatments that doctors were
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finding successful. We do need an inventory of these
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bio labs. Trump has pulled federal funding
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for the bio labs, but that's probably a minority of funding.
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We have a billion dollar budgeted pandemic response unit
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in the National Institutes of Health.
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It's called BARDA and actually report directly to Robert F
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Kennedy. What is it doing?
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Well, we'd ask that question Who's running BARDA?
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What are they doing with a billion dollars?
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How many projects do they? Is that an annual fund that
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they? That's an annual budget.
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A billion fresh billion dollars every year.
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Look at what the Look at what the CDC has.
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It has a $9 billion budget, 12,000 employees.
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Yeah. What is happening?
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I mean that. Research, money, my types of
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training, what are they doing? What are they doing everyday?
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I mean, these are fundamental questions.
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So if I was in Trump's position, Oh my Lord, the America would be
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a different place. A different place.
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Have you been in touch with the administration about these
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recommendations that you have? They sound very common sense.
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They watch me every night on TV. That's all I can say.
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My phone is is available to all of them.
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But. No direct contact.
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Well, here's the point. This idea that the
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administration doesn't know or that you and I should go knock
23:37
on their door. No, there are employees.
23:42
They have tons of people working for them.
23:46
Their job is to contact us for our opinions.
23:49
I, I agree in theory with you. I agree in principle with you.
23:53
That said, I know on the, you know, on the work that I do in
23:55
live action, as an example, we're constantly writing memos,
23:58
white papers, communicating behind the scenes.
24:01
Because as, as true as that is, is the case, unfortunately the
24:04
way of the world is, you know, people just are shiny object
24:08
syndrome. They've got a million things in
24:10
their desk. The easiest thing that they have
24:12
given to them as a public policy proposal that they think they
24:15
can get done, if it's done like literally the homework's done
24:18
for them, they're more likely to implement.
24:22
It's hard to imagine our government employees, and they
24:25
all our employees, are that feeble.
24:27
They probably are, but the point is, listen.
24:31
If our commander in It's perfectly fine for me to post
24:41
something on X or True Social Getter and tag them and they
24:45
better pay attention. I mean, again, I agree.
24:48
I agree. And listen, have you ever done a
24:50
FOIA on yourself? On myself, I don't think we, I
24:53
don't know if we've done a FOIA on myself.
24:54
You should Interesting I did a FOIA on myself.
24:57
There's tons of government people watching everything that
25:01
I'm saying so I am not here to say that.
25:05
Wow, the government administration doesn't doesn't
25:07
listen. I've testified in the US Senate
25:09
5 * 5 times. Listen U.S.
25:12
Senate testimony. Anybody from the executive
25:15
branch can and should show up to that testimony.
25:19
And, and you know, to be fair to you in this conversation, of
25:23
course, there is a posture from certainly the Biden
25:26
administration, but I can say for the Trump administration
25:29
that if you have dissent, if you disagree with anything that the
25:32
administration is doing, they're not going to stand for it.
25:35
So there are lines of communication that are easily
25:38
broken with the White House. And you can understand it from a
25:40
political perspective because they're trying to win elections.
25:42
So if you're like not 100% lock step with their agenda, then you
25:46
are actually an obstacle to them, right?
25:48
So do you think that's a reason why it's been more fraught with
25:51
the administration with you, because you have your speak very
25:54
freely, You're going to call a spade a spade, left, right,
25:56
either way? I can't explain their
25:59
ineptitude. I really, I really can't.
26:01
It's the idea of, you know, why are they fumbling around as
26:04
badly as they are? I can't explain it.
26:07
I mean, you can't. It it's it's we're in some type
26:12
of mind blowing reality. I go to Capitol Hill.
26:16
I'm typically the lead witness. These things blow up on social
26:21
media. They do.
26:22
They blow up on social media. I go on very, very high level
26:27
programming all over the the the the world for that matter.
26:31
I've I've what do you? Think is holding them back?
26:33
What? What is holding back would you
26:35
say? Explain what's in the minds.
26:38
The Deep. State the clouded minds of
26:39
people. I can't explain it.
26:43
Remember, when you talk to most people about this, and
26:46
particularly if you talk to them about the COVID-19 vaccines, do
26:50
you know what the very first response that's that's usually
26:55
emitted back? I don't want to talk about it.
27:00
The Heisman Posture Heisman. Trophy, This is from everyday
27:03
Americans, you're saying, or the administration and people and
27:05
government. Virtually everybody who took the
27:07
vaccine. I see.
27:09
I mean, I think it is like, this is going to be a very, you know,
27:14
a hot take right here, like circumcision.
27:17
If someone's been circumcised, they don't want to in any way
27:21
have it criticized and they're going to say, of course everyone
27:23
should be circumcised. With vaccines, I think there's
27:26
some similarity. If you've had the vaccine, you'd
27:28
think, of course everyone should have a vaccine.
27:30
So it's sort of in a way marks you that yes, this is has to be
27:34
normal for everyone. Psychologically, it's hard to
27:36
say I shouldn't have taken that vaccine or I shouldn't have been
27:39
circumcised or whatever it is. I'm glad you brought it up.
27:41
It gets into what we call ideology, and that's in the
27:44
title of my second book, which is New York Times bestseller
27:47
Vaccines, Mythology and Ideology in Reality, Well, what is
27:53
vaccine ideology? It goes back centuries and it's
27:56
been building, but it goes like this that mankind is vulnerable
28:03
and susceptible to infectious diseases.
28:06
And now in this era of biological threats or
28:10
bioweapons, we could be wiped out by somebody else because of
28:14
these. But we're vulnerable, and
28:19
through the brilliance of mankind and vaccinology and
28:24
science, man improves upon God's creation.
28:30
Man out does God. This is the ultimate hubris.
28:37
The ultimate hubris. Mankind takes a healthy human
28:41
and makes them better through vaccinology.
28:45
But the vaccines aren't perfect. So for this to work, we all have
28:51
to take them without exception. There will be no vaccine
28:57
hesitancy. Vaccine hesitancy is a bad
28:59
thing. Vaccine acceptance is a good
29:02
thing. And if some people are injured,
29:05
disabled, or even die due to this wonderful creation, we
29:11
should accept that. Collateral damage.
29:13
Collateral damage. We should take it for the team.
29:16
That's vaccine ideology. That goes back to 1721 and
29:20
Cotton Mather. Is that the smallpox?
29:22
That's smallpox. That was with variolation.
29:25
He is a Puritan minister, 1721, Boston, MA.
29:30
He's working with Doctor Boylston there.
29:32
They haven't even gotten to vaccine vaccines yet.
29:34
There's no needles. Back then, they didn't even know
29:37
what caused smallpox. They were just taking a scalpel
29:39
and trying to transfer from one child to another through the
29:43
pustules. Cotton Mather declares that this
29:47
process of variolation is a gift from God.
29:52
Was it though? Did it succeed at all the
29:54
smallpox early vaccine form used to try to combat, you know,
29:59
rampant disease and death? Was it successful at all?
30:02
Large studies, very unclear. Because I think the, the, the,
30:06
the, the common understanding of that historically was like,
30:09
yeah, it was very early form vaccine.
30:11
Like you said, they kind of like scraped your body and, you know,
30:14
got you under the, in your blood somehow.
30:16
But it was actually at large, even though it like violated
30:19
people's bodily autonomy in terms of like they were forced
30:22
to do it. The soldiers, everyone was
30:23
forced to do it. It was overall a good thing.
30:25
I think that is the mindset today.
30:27
Well, that's how historians write it.
30:28
But do we know? So, for instance, King George
30:32
the Third has more than a dozen children.
30:37
Two of his children died directly after variolation and.
30:43
But did any die from smallpox? We don't know.
30:48
Here's the thing, people don't even know what caused smallpox.
30:51
No one could even know if they were exposed or unexposed.
30:54
All we know is smallpox essentially went away with less
30:58
than 10% of the world vaccinated.
31:00
So. Do you and would you do?
31:02
What do you credit that to do? Is that because of better
31:05
hygiene? Yeah, better sanitation.
31:08
Better. Better sanitation, nutrition and
31:11
hygiene. As soon as we quit having kids
31:13
with smallpox pustules, sleeping with other kids and spreading
31:16
it. Once we actually learned how it
31:18
spreads with him. Sure.
31:20
If you have somebody with smallpox today, they'd go into
31:22
isolation. I, I think in the kind of common
31:25
mindset of, of the modern person day when it comes to vaccines,
31:28
we think about something like the bubonic plague, which sounds
31:30
so terrifying, right, and how it killed 1/3 of the population.
31:34
And oh, if we had lived back then, how horrible that we would
31:36
have all been. You know, a third of our, you
31:38
know, families would have just been wiped out.
31:40
We were just so there's nothing to stop it.
31:42
And thank God for modern medicine and vaccines because
31:44
things like that don't happen anymore.
31:47
That is, I think, the large. So good you mentioned it.
31:50
No vaccine for bubonic plague. It doesn't exist today is what
31:53
you're saying right? So bubonic plague went away, no
31:58
vaccine. Listen, there were illnesses in
32:01
my training that were more common, like rheumatic fever.
32:04
That's gone away. We used to have tuberculosis
32:06
sanatoriums all over the United States.
32:08
Tuberculosis came under control. Well, but people credit
32:11
tuberculosis being under control with vaccines.
32:14
No, we don't vaccinate for tuberculosis here.
32:17
But there, the reason that it's not a widespread outbreak of
32:20
tuberculosis is because I think people believe previous
32:23
vaccinations that have been done in past generations.
32:25
No, we never. Tell me more about.
32:26
That we never vaccinated for tuberculosis.
32:29
There's only one worldwide tuberculosis vaccine.
32:33
It's not even used in the United States called the BCG vaccine.
32:35
It's used in places like Haiti and and another, you know,
32:40
developing countries. Tuberculosis came under control
32:44
because of testing, isolation and treatment.
32:49
It's very important. Rheumatic fever came under
32:52
control again because of testing and antibiotics.
32:56
There's no vaccine for for rheumatic fever.
32:58
There's no vaccine for scarlet fever.
33:00
The point is all infectious disease threats came under
33:04
control without vaccines. Even HIV came under control with
33:09
multi drug treatment. There's no HIV vaccine.
33:11
And with tuberculosis, you mentioned the BCG vaccine that
33:14
is used in countries where TB has been a problem.
33:17
It's not used in the US. It's.
33:19
Never been used. So kids are not being vaccinated
33:21
for tuberculosis in the US, and they're not dropping dead from
33:23
it either. Right.
33:23
And when they're not being vaccinated for Streptococcus,
33:27
they're not being vaccinated. So the point is, all of these
33:30
infectious disease threats, these vaccine preventable
33:33
illnesses, we're all going away, if not completely gone before
33:39
the vaccines ever come on the scene.
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You talk about this in your book.
35:37
And this is a very common narrative because there's these,
35:40
you know, the iron lung, the images of the children, those
35:43
black and white images in the 19, I don't know, 20s or
35:45
whatever it is. And they're dying and they need
35:47
to go in the iron lung because of polio.
35:49
And then the vaccine shows up and all of a sudden everybody is
35:52
freed of the grips of polio that has taken the country by storm
35:56
again. This is like the collective
35:57
imagination of how our history, our understanding of history and
36:01
people point to the polio vaccine as it's God's gift to
36:03
mankind. And it's the reason why, of
36:05
course, we should trust the medical establishment for all
36:07
these other vaccines that are being presented is going to
36:09
prevent outbreaks like the polio vaccine out of the polio
36:13
outbreak that was so destructive.
36:16
I have patients who've had polio in my practice, so I know
36:19
exactly what polio's like. They had polio as a child.
36:24
Polio is very interesting. You can't find evidence of polio
36:27
thousands of years ago, so it's not like the Romans were
36:32
afflicted with polio. But we don't know.
36:34
But you can't find evidence of it, though.
36:36
It just seems to come on the scene in the basically the early
36:41
20th century. And there are outbreaks.
36:45
They largely occur in the summertime, Very interesting
36:48
summertime. And it is a virus that's fecal
36:52
oral transmitted. So it's actually from feces to
36:54
the mouth. That's actually how it's
36:56
transmitted. So it's a paralytic disorder of
37:00
a particular part of the spinal column.
37:02
It's known to be a virus that's transmitted in a fecal oral
37:06
transmission. It's in the water, essentially.
37:09
It's in the water and it's from, you know, lack of hand washing,
37:13
changing diapers, things like this.
37:16
That's polio, but you can't find evidence of it.
37:18
You know, bazillions of people paralyzed thousands of years
37:22
ago. You just can't find it.
37:24
So it seems to come on the scenes.
37:27
It's part of urbanization, believe it or not.
37:30
It it tended to afflict wealthier families, which is
37:33
quite interesting, and tended to not afflict underdeveloped
37:38
countries. Do you think that though that's
37:41
just a matter of detection, that it was happening and just wasn't
37:44
understood or detected the way it was by wealthier families?
37:46
No, it actually may be a product of immunity that you know, it's
37:51
an endemic virus. There's all kinds of endemic GI
37:54
viruses that is probably endemic all over.
37:56
But we got to a certain level of cleanliness where we didn't have
38:01
that population natural immunity.
38:03
Then there was susceptibility when your child went into a
38:05
daycare center in the 1940s or 1950s or went to a beach on the
38:09
Atlantic Coast. I mean, it was all kinds of
38:11
polio outbreaks. And having said that, there was
38:16
great confusion over what polio was.
38:19
So, you know, any form of childhood paralysis was called
38:24
polio, any form. And there was a famous UNC
38:27
Michigan study, 1200 kids with polio, and they finally had the
38:33
test to figure out who had polio and who didn't.
38:35
Because other things can be shoulder and, and hip dystoias.
38:40
There can be transverse myelitis, there can be Guillain
38:45
Barre syndrome, all kinds of other things that are polio
38:48
mimics. And so it turns out the UNC
38:51
Michigan study showed 1/4 of polio was real polio.
38:56
Wow. OK, so we had.
38:57
That so even only a quarter 1/4 could even interact with the
39:00
vaccine. Right.
39:01
Well, only a quarter could quote be impacted by the vaccine.
39:05
But then then the the height of the polio epidemic and it's in
39:08
our trials, the the salt field trials are done during the
39:12
height of this. It's in our book, in the chapter
39:15
on polio and there 1.8 million children are enrolled in a
39:23
clinical trial. Some get the actual shot, some
39:25
don't. There's controls.
39:27
It's not a perfect randomized trial, but it's pretty darn
39:30
good. And out of 1.8 million children
39:33
in the height of this disaster. What year are we right now?
39:38
Around 19531954. Do you have any cases of polio
39:41
there? How many?
39:44
Less than a couple 100. Out of 1.4 million children
39:48
enrolled. At 1.8 million a couple 100.
39:50
And was this the advent of the polio vaccine?
39:52
This was the. This was the Advent.
39:54
It was only the polio vaccine had already been taken and
39:56
everyone's free of. No, this was this was the IPV,
39:58
this was, this was the vaccine. That's wild.
40:01
And so. How many again?
40:03
A couple 100. That's insane and.
40:05
What was the vaccine efficacy? How good was it in preventing
40:08
polio? For those 100 kids or.
40:10
About 60 to 70% that's in the published Salk field trials.
40:16
So I'm here to tell you the polio vaccine did not make polio
40:19
go away. It couldn't have, it's
40:22
impossible. Even if everybody took the
40:24
vaccine, it was only partially preventive.
40:26
What made polio go away is we developed, you know, we finally
40:29
really got to a sterilized water supply.
40:32
Things got clean and, you know, and, and we moved on from there.
40:38
But we we have polio detection systems.
40:41
Our CDC does it. We haven't had polio in the
40:43
Western Hemisphere in 20 years. I guarantee you've never been
40:47
exposed to the polio virus. There's a famous chart, I don't
40:50
know if it's in this book you can tell me or I can try to pull
40:52
it up online, of the decline, the precipitous decline it seems
40:56
like in polio being detected in the population, and it kind of
41:01
lines up with vaccination. And so people point to that and
41:03
say this, this proves that vaccination was responsible, but
41:07
there was another event that took place that was more
41:12
significant than vaccination. It came.
41:13
It came with this idea of testing.
41:16
Remember, everything was polio until we had the diagnostic
41:19
test. So the diagnostic test
41:21
immediately dropped the case count to 25% of what it used to.
41:25
So are they crediting the decline in polio with the
41:28
vaccine when it was really testing that declined polio
41:30
because it's not polio anymore? Yes, and that's why.
41:32
By the way, the same thing happened with measles, moms,
41:35
rubella, all of these. So there's an excellent,
41:39
excellent resource and we rely on in our book, it's called
41:42
Dissolving Illusions by Roman Bistionic and Suzanne Humphreys
41:47
and the famous charts in there from the US departments of Vital
41:52
Statistics showing all these infectious disease going down
41:56
before the advent of the vaccines.
41:59
So vaccines have never quelled an outbreak or a pandemic.
42:03
See, it's a fool's errand to think, wow, a pandemic answer
42:07
vaccines. No, In fact, what we saw with
42:10
COVID was pandemic vaccine. If we vaccinate into a widely
42:14
prevalent pandemic, the virus will outsmart mankind every
42:18
time. The virus becomes resistant to
42:20
the vaccine every time. So when I mean now COVID has
42:24
mostly subsided. Well, I mean, there are, but
42:29
you. Don't credit the vaccine with
42:30
that. No, no, there are.
42:32
I'm playing devil's advocate. Here there are reports that were
42:35
on our 14th wave of COVID. Some really nasty flus going
42:39
around so. One thing's for sure is that we
42:42
don't have people hospitalized with COVID-19 now do.
42:46
You credit the vaccine with that.
42:47
No, there are three things that made the case count and
42:51
hospitalization and death go down.
42:52
Very important one is natural immunity, and we knew that
42:56
because in 2020 that was happening.
42:59
People who got over the infection, we're not falling ill
43:02
and dying on the second and third infection for sure.
43:05
We knew that there was multiple papers showing that that's
43:07
before the vaccines. So vaccines couldn't have played
43:10
a role in the good health of people who got through COVID
43:14
after that first episode. So natural immunity is number 1,
43:17
and 97% of us have had COVID now.
43:20
So nobody avoided it #2 is that the virus mutated and became
43:26
milder. It's clearly milder now than it
43:29
was the original strains. All the experts agree.
43:32
And then #3 therapy, treatment. Treatment specifically started
43:37
early, reduces the risk of hospitalization and death.
43:40
That's the whole goal of doing it.
43:42
So those things directly reduce the risk of hospitalization and
43:46
death. I don't think vaccines played a
43:48
role. Why?
43:50
Because virtually everyone took a vaccine in most countries.
43:54
So it it couldn't have done much right?
43:56
Because everyone took it and we still saw this play out.
43:59
There were more deaths due to COVID after the rollout of the
44:02
vaccines than before. So it's not like we can say,
44:05
well, you know, a vaccine that would have worked would have
44:08
immediately. COVID just would have dried up
44:11
early in 2021. We wouldn't have seen any deaths
44:13
by mid 2021 of the fall. It would have been over with.
44:16
I think people would say, well, you know, those that defend
44:18
vaccines and say, well, it's not about perfect immunity.
44:20
It's about lessening the degree, you know, the the intensity of
44:25
the disease. And, and that's what, you know,
44:26
the public health officials are saying about the COVID vaccine.
44:29
You're going to get COVID even after the vaccine, but it's
44:32
going to be much of A lighter case.
44:33
So you're not going to have as much immediate complications.
44:36
But that's a late secondary claim.
44:38
Remember, the initial claim is it's going to stop you.
44:41
Take a vaccine, it's going to stop.
44:43
They changed the the claim a few times, that's true.
44:45
Right. So that became a backup claim.
44:49
Now we don't present other vaccines that way.
44:52
We don't say here, here's the polio vaccine, you're still
44:54
going to get polio. It'll just keep you from being
44:56
severely paralyzed. You'll be paralyzed a little
44:58
bit. We don't present other vaccines
45:00
that way. So this idea of.
45:03
I think they do with, don't they with MMR?
45:06
Don't they say that about measles or mumps?
45:09
That you can still get it, but it's going to be less severe.
45:11
It might not be life threatening anymore.
45:14
Again, in order to make a claim like this, we need a large
45:18
prospective double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled
45:21
trial. And with COVID, there were
45:23
billions of dollars available to do such trials.
45:26
The trials that were done showed no reduction in COVID
45:29
hospitalization and death. None.
45:32
So if you take a consent form the for the COVID vaccine and
45:35
say what's my benefit of taking the vaccine?
45:37
It doesn't say it's going to save your life.
45:39
It's a false claim. It's a false claim for anyone to
45:43
say the COVID vaccines will reduce your risk of
45:46
hospitalization. Death, as I remember the claim
45:48
became you're actually taking it for your neighbor because now
45:52
you may still you. I think the claim became you're
45:55
going to get a less intense case of it and now you can't expose
45:59
other people the same way. You listen.
46:01
Our CDC director came out in August of 2021.
46:04
Rochelle Lewinsky press release Hey everybody, we got the
46:09
answer. It doesn't stop spread of the
46:11
infection. You can give the COVID virus is
46:15
easily to someone if you took the vaccine or not.
46:17
So wild. So it started off by saying it's
46:21
going to stop COVID. It didn't.
46:23
The CDC kept track of serious cases up through May 1st of
46:28
2021. There were so many vaccinated
46:30
people getting hospitalized and dying that they gave up.
46:34
They stopped tracking. They announced we are no longer
46:36
tracking this. It's obvious it was family.
46:38
Fauci in April of 2021 came out and said, you know what?
46:42
It's not working. We're going to need boosters.
46:46
Michelle Lewinsky comes out in August of 2021 and says it
46:49
doesn't stop spread. So when I was in the US Senate
46:55
2025 in May, Richard Blumenthal, a Democratic senator from
47:00
Connecticut, said, well, the vaccine saved millions of lives.
47:04
And I said, don't you dare make a false drug claim here in the
47:08
US Senate as a government servant.
47:11
To us, that's a false claim. If it's not in the package
47:16
insert and if it's not in the consent form, we can't make
47:20
claims, drug claims or vaccine. Do you think the COVID vaccine
47:23
saved any lives? I don't know.
47:26
I don't think so. It's early on.
47:28
Early on, maybe before the virus mutated in January or February
47:33
of of 2021, maybe somebody was spared for a month or two.
47:38
But all experts agree the vaccine ran out of any
47:41
protection after a couple months.
47:43
So then the person's vulnerable again.
47:45
Do you think the vaccine took any lives?
47:47
Yes. How many?
47:49
Any sense? What's the data that we have?
47:51
What's our best data on? That, well, doctors like myself
47:55
see patients who've taken the vaccine and they die of a
47:57
vaccine syndrome right in front of us.
48:00
Myocarditis, heart failure, a blood clot.
48:03
It's crystal clear. And that's within 24 hours of
48:07
the vaccine. 1000, more than 1000 Americans have just died,
48:11
right? Within 24 hours it was so
48:13
deadly. People were dying in the vaccine
48:15
center and they had to announce we need to have resuscitation
48:17
equipment in the vaccine centers.
48:19
Remember that. I think the the the things that
48:22
scared a lot of people was myocarditis and other well.
48:26
Sure, but you're asking how much?
48:28
After but after, not within 24 hours, within months later.
48:31
Well, first, the first terrifying thing was dying in
48:34
the vaccine center. So our CDC is keeping track of
48:37
all the reports that doctors make like me and we reported to
48:41
the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
48:44
The first 3 or 4 pages is all about the doctor.
48:48
Who are you, Doctor? Why are you reporting this?
48:50
Where's your office address? Where's your e-mail?
48:52
Where's your phone number? Where's your Believe me, these
48:55
reports are serious and any any spurious reporting is punishable
49:02
by federal fines or imprisonment.
49:04
Are you implying there's a lot of doctors that may not have
49:06
reported vaccine deaths or injuries?
49:08
I'm implying 2 things. One, a lot of reports aren't
49:12
made because people are scared to death of doing the report and
49:15
#2 the ones that are made are the real deal.
49:18
They are legitimate and people are serious about this.
49:21
They've already determined the vaccine is a cause of death.
49:24
As a practicing Doctor Who's board certified, which I am, and
49:29
I'm seeing patients every day, I'm not going to report a death
49:33
that's not due to the vaccine. Why would I risk my license
49:36
doing that? Why would I risk my professional
49:38
career? Why would I risk federal fines
49:41
and imprisonment? I'm only going to report
49:43
something for sure that I have clinically determined the
49:46
vaccine is a cause of death. An administrator at the CDC
49:49
doesn't determine the cause of death.
49:50
The doctor in the field and nurses and directors of nurses
49:56
at nursing homes and medical directors, they do these
49:58
reports. How can you determine cause of
50:01
death from a vaccine? We're we're talking specifically
50:03
about the COVID vaccine right now.
50:04
The the clinical scenario, did they get a vaccine and what was
50:08
the context? What was the time frame between
50:11
the vaccine administration and the fatal event and what was the
50:16
fatal event? Is the fatal event something
50:18
known that the vaccine causes like myocarditis?
50:23
Well, for sure, it's in the package insert.
50:26
Do the vaccines cause blood clots for sure.
50:29
You know, in the peer reviewed literature.
50:30
Do they cause fatal Guillain Barre syndrome?
50:33
For sure. Fatal autoimmune problems,
50:35
definitely. So when we have the clinical
50:39
vignette, we have the scientific support that the vaccine causes
50:42
the problem and the doctor makes the determination.
50:44
We reported to bears. Well, how many of these deaths
50:47
are in bears of Americans 19,500?
50:52
From the COVID vaccine alone, from.
50:53
The COVID vaccine. Alone but just I think I've
50:55
heard the criticism of bears is that these are, you know, self
50:59
reported, I guess hang. On hang on self reported, the
51:03
CDC knows every single report. So they vet the report to let
51:08
them remain in bears. Oh, for sure.
51:11
They get a temporary various number.
51:12
Then they get a permanent various number.
51:14
So the CDC can does reject some bears reports.
51:18
They have the opportunity to do that.
51:20
But but importantly, the CDC has the opportunity to report.
51:23
Who's reporting. OK.
51:27
And so if the CDC thought that just lay people were making up
51:31
these reports and submitting them, why haven't they generated
51:34
a report? There's one paper published on
51:37
this by Meister and colleagues. This is before the COVID
51:40
vaccines. And the answer is 86% of the
51:42
time it's a doctor and the other 14% of the time, lifetime.
51:46
This is the drug company that's thought, jeez, it looks like our
51:48
vaccine cost it. And before the COVID shots,
51:51
there's about 150 vaccine deaths per year reported to the system.
51:55
150 can imagine with the COVID shots within the first few
51:58
months of the campaign, we had 1600 Americans that have died.
52:03
So. Walk me through, tell me this
52:05
like I know nothing about this. So VARS and for folks listening,
52:08
so VARS is a system to somehow take account of vaccine injuries
52:17
and deaths. And what you're saying is that
52:20
when a doctor makes a Vars report, they need to fully
52:23
disclose themselves, where they're from, etcetera.
52:25
And the CVC, the government's tracking which doctors are
52:27
making which reports. But more than doctors, everyday
52:31
people can also make reports. Is that true?
52:35
So if I'm a mother, I think my child is injured by a vaccine, I
52:38
can make a bears report. Correct.
52:39
Now you're going to have to list your doctor, the vaccine lot
52:43
number, etcetera. But my point is.
52:46
But you're saying 86% of these reports are made by doctors?
52:49
They're not made by mothers, fathers, individuals.
52:51
From a prior paper by Meissner before the COVID vaccines.
52:56
But the point I want to get to is that if anybody is claiming
53:03
that what's in theirs is not due to the vaccine or not reported
53:06
by doctors, go ask the CDC. They have all the data.
53:10
Why has the CDC not told America who's reporting all of these
53:15
deaths? 19,500 deaths in FDA testimony.
53:19
The under reporting factor is estimated to be 30.
53:23
So how many deaths is that really?
53:25
I have patients in my practice who have died.
53:28
We can't find the vaccine records, The family can't find
53:30
them. I can't report them to Varus.
53:32
So, so the point is under reported thirtyfold.
53:35
The answer is 550,000 to 600 thousand Americans have died
53:41
after the COVID-19 vaccine. As an estimate, there are 38
53:44
other reporting systems in the world just like Varus, like the
53:48
yellow card system and the Dan system, and they show the same
53:51
signals. So other more non-us but other
53:56
reporting systems show similar numbers to that estimate that
53:59
you just said correct if for a population.
54:01
So when you are describing the doctors that make the various
54:03
reports and they are making a judgment about whether or not
54:07
the vaccine was what caused the injury or the OR the death, that
54:13
technically my understanding of theirs though, is it's not so
54:15
much conclusive that this injury or death was from the vaccine.
54:19
Again, this is devil's advocate about how people see theirs and
54:21
understand it. Typically today.
54:23
It could just be something that correlated with the vaccine.
54:27
So we don't know for sure that the vaccine was the culprit for
54:31
the injury or the death. It could just be a correlation.
54:33
But you're saying when the doctor makes the report, he's
54:35
saying no, In my judgment, this is a consequence of the vaccine.
54:40
It's not a correlation. It's a safety report and the
54:43
intent of reporting is in the context of getting the vaccine.
54:49
100% of people in Vares got the vaccine.
54:52
It's not a correlation. It's like some people got it and
54:54
some people didn't. Well, no, what I'm saying is in
54:56
terms of you were saying in my in your best judgement as a
54:59
physician, you make the judgement of was this a
55:01
consequence of the vaccine as as opposed to just correlated this
55:04
death or injury. Correct, because I know the
55:07
patient. I've seen all the hospital
55:10
laboratories I've seen. I've seen the.
55:11
CPR. Nobody at the CDC can see all
55:14
that. No real nobody else.
55:16
So when a doctor makes that submission, it's considered
55:22
caused by the vaccine by proxy of reporting, because if it
55:26
wasn't caused by the vaccine, it wouldn't have been reported.
55:30
But then for the non doctors who are making the report, the
55:33
individuals, they are just basing it on their best guess
55:37
via correlation. Deb Conrad is APA Physician
55:41
Assistant, Rochester, NY. She was faithfully making
55:44
various reports of deaths and non fatal injuries at at
55:48
Rochester General Hospital. But here's the point.
55:51
Listen, she's an educated professional.
55:52
She can make that judgment. So can nursing home
55:55
administrators and chief medical officers.
55:57
They can make that report. Doug Conrad was fired because
56:00
she was making various reports. How can we improve the various
56:04
reporting system to prevent the distrust?
56:07
The distrust by some Americans who think that it's over
56:10
reported and people are misinterpreting an injury or a
56:14
death and blaming the vaccine for it unfairly and by people
56:17
who think theirs is underreporting and there's no
56:19
proper system, you know, because it's all voluntary.
56:21
Theirs is totally voluntary. And so there's and that
56:24
Americans in the other camp who say, well, theirs is doesn't
56:26
work because it's all voluntary and doctors are terrified to
56:29
make a report because they're going to get flagged and get in
56:31
trouble. Well, a solution would be for
56:35
the CDC to release the vaccine administration records and then
56:40
to, you know, they can be de identified and anonymous and
56:44
they should read it's a public data set and they should allow a
56:47
merge with the national death index.
56:50
So if we knew who got the vaccine, which we do, and we
56:53
know who died, which we do because it's all, you know, when
56:56
people die, they get off the rolls of Medicare, they get
56:59
life, families get life insurance.
57:01
You know, death is known in our country.
57:03
So we know everybody who got the vaccine.
57:05
We know everybody who died. We can start with people who
57:08
died on the day they got the shot all over the country, who
57:11
died the next day, and the. Next day, what people would say
57:14
that would say in response to that as well.
57:16
Every day there are thousands of people dying every day in
57:19
America. So if one day in America, you
57:22
know, 20% of the population gets vaccinated, right?
57:25
Of that 20% X number was going to we're going to die regardless
57:30
of the vaccine. It's a foolish argument.
57:32
The vast majority of people die in the United States, die of
57:35
chronic disease, and it's fully, it's fully expected.
57:40
They die after a long course of heart disease and they die in
57:45
heart failure and Hospice or a long course of cancer and they
57:49
die in Hospice. Or they die of some non
57:53
cardiovascular, non cancer disease.
57:55
And 40% of deaths are cancer, 40% heart disease, and 20% other
57:59
causes. Before they die in a car
58:01
accident and it's very clear what killed them.
58:03
The car accident, well, I mean, they can die in the car on the
58:06
way to the vaccine center or on the way after vaccine center.
58:09
But what I'm saying is reporting deaths by vaccination status.
58:13
There's only been one country in the world that's done that.
58:18
It's the Czech Republic and believe me, it's not good.
58:20
What is the numbers in the Czech?
58:21
Republic the vaccinated diet much higher rates and.
58:25
This is already taking into account, you know, removing
58:28
people that are dying from car accident injuries, removing
58:30
people that were already in Hospice and going to die likely
58:32
anyways. A Full disclosure of the data
58:34
that's. Crazy.
58:35
That would be very revealing. Yeah, no government in the world
58:38
has fully released the data. You're asking how can VARES be
58:41
better? Why isn't the CDC do a report on
58:46
who is reporting to VARES? When are people dying?
58:49
All we know is this 19,500 for sure.
58:52
Probably underreported by 30 among the 19,000.
58:56
What we see is over 1000 die on the same day they got the shot.
59:01
Another 1200 die the next day. So if I was RFK or Jim O'Neill,
59:07
who's the acting director of the CDC, why do we have an acting
59:10
director for a year who's not a medical person?
59:13
I don't know, but it's not good. If I was either one of those
59:16
positions, I'd immediately call for an examination of who died
59:21
on the same day they took the shot, who died the next day, and
59:24
what were the clinical descriptors of what was going
59:28
on? Did they die of blood clots?
59:29
Do they have cardiac arrests? Fatal allergic reactions?
59:33
What was going on? Listen, if we had 1000 deaths of
59:36
people who took acetaminophen or ibuprofen or Benadryl over the
59:41
counter, there'd be an immediate investigation.
59:43
Well, it's this, it's the vaccine, it's the immunity that
59:45
the vaccine companies have, right?
59:47
That's the whole issue here. They're they're, they're not.
59:51
Even if they are causing deaths, it doesn't matter.
59:53
There's no recourse for. People, that could be your
59:55
opinion. It's not mine.
59:56
I got to tell you, it's not. Mine.
59:57
I'm just saying that as a fact though, right?
59:59
I mean, there's no, they don't have, there's no recourse for
1:00:02
vaccine. It's not for people who are
1:00:04
vaccine injured in terms of suing vaccine companies.
1:00:06
About legalities, it's about what's right and wrong.
1:00:09
We should never have a healthy person take any drug or vaccine
1:00:14
and lose their life. A healthy person dead from
1:00:20
something that was supposed to help them theoretically prevent
1:00:24
disease. So what was the first case that
1:00:25
ironclad someone died of this vaccine?
1:00:28
It was in Washington University in Saint Louis.
1:00:31
It was a 42 year old man who took Moderna healthy, healthy.
1:00:37
He goes into Washington University of Saint Louis.
1:00:39
The vaccine essentially rots out his heart right in front of the
1:00:43
doctors and he dies. Within minutes of the vaccine.
1:00:48
His body's examined. It's published in the New
1:00:50
England Journal of Medicine in August of 2021.
1:00:53
Conclusion. The vaccine killed him.
1:00:56
How can you just explain? Fatal carditis.
1:00:59
But what was the mechanism in Moderna that the Moderna vaccine
1:01:02
that caused? The vaccine is physically goes
1:01:05
to the heart, it starts producing the lethal spike
1:01:07
protein from the virus, and it literally rots out his heart.
1:01:11
Now if that's not enough, a few months later, Gil and colleagues
1:01:14
from Connecticut report 2 teenage boys, 16 and 17.
1:01:19
They take the shots, parents find them dead in bed.
1:01:23
Can you imagine as a young mother finding your.
1:01:26
It's devastating. Can you imagine?
1:01:28
I mean, I know people who know people that they were killed
1:01:31
within days of and. Can you imagine how horrific it
1:01:34
is when the parents say I want an autopsy?
1:01:36
Well, they said I want an autopsy and the one case
1:01:40
occurred in Michigan, one case occurred in Connecticut.
1:01:42
They called in pathologist, even expert pathologist, they examine
1:01:46
the hearts. They concluded that children
1:01:48
died of Pfizer myocarditis. What I am telling you is when I
1:01:54
saw those cases, I was on every TV network saying, listen, if it
1:01:59
can happen to these children, it can happen to yours.
1:02:03
So you address in this book vaccines that you just came out
1:02:06
with last year a lot, not just COVID vaccine.
1:02:09
You address, you know, we were talking earlier about polio.
1:02:12
Of course, there's a vaccine schedule that was recently semi
1:02:17
simplified by the, you know, the by RFK and by the by the FDA
1:02:22
about what should be actually given.
1:02:24
Well, clarify. Let's it was trimmed.
1:02:26
I don't think RFK had anything to do it.
1:02:27
But you know, Trump on Truth Social said.
1:02:32
I trimmed it. I gave Jim O'Neill the order.
1:02:35
Jim O'Neill is a Palantir Biotech investor who's the
1:02:39
current interim director of CDC. And Jim O'Neill trimmed it.
1:02:46
You're saying RFA had nothing to do with it?
1:02:48
There's not no indication of it. Well, I think people credit him
1:02:50
because he's been on a crusade to expose some of the injuries
1:02:53
and harm. You think?
1:02:55
Deaths done by vaccine. You think the messaging from
1:02:57
Trump would have come out elsewhere?
1:02:59
Only I can tell you is that if I was, RFKI would have done this
1:03:04
on day one and I would have said, listen, it's my idea that
1:03:08
I'm doing it. I would have.
1:03:10
Well, I can tell you when it comes to the childhood vaccines,
1:03:13
I think the corrective steps that are needed.
1:03:16
And this is all based on the McCullough Foundation report,
1:03:19
which was fundamental in changing policy.
1:03:21
So the history of what happened in 2025 is as follows.
1:03:25
Trump gets into office, RFK gets into office.
1:03:28
Nothing happens on the COVID vaccines.
1:03:32
Nothing happens on the childhood vaccines.
1:03:35
Then we get a few months into it and they say, well, not the
1:03:39
whole country needs COVID vaccines, maybe just the third
1:03:42
need vaccines. So Prasad and Macri, the FDA
1:03:44
staffers, publish a paper in the winter old medicine that we
1:03:47
should still give boosters, but to about 1/3 of Americans.
1:03:50
Well, I can tell you at that time, less than 15% of them were
1:03:54
taking boosters. You can tell they were out of
1:03:55
touch. Then the next thing that drops
1:03:59
is September 22nd, 2025. Trump comes out in a press
1:04:04
release, press briefing in the White House briefing room and a
1:04:09
room that I've been in with RFK, with Macri, Dr. Oz and Doctor
1:04:15
Bayard at Bayachara. They said we've got the answer.
1:04:18
We know what causes autism. Everyone's like, what?
1:04:22
What is it? It's Tylenol.
1:04:27
Tylenol causes autism. So if the mother takes a Tylenol
1:04:31
capsule when she's pregnant? Not to take Advil.
1:04:36
Well, let's say she takes a headache and she takes Tylenol
1:04:41
when she's pregnant. Two years later, when her child
1:04:45
suddenly develops autism, it's due to that Tylenol.
1:04:50
You don't think that's the case? It's it's absolutely gold
1:04:54
standard. Science is not the case.
1:04:56
So there's a large study published by Altquist in JAMA in
1:05:00
2024. They examined every dose of
1:05:03
Tylenol that pregnant women took every trial.
1:05:06
Master, how big was the population?
1:05:08
2 million. Of women, yeah, they tracked.
1:05:10
Them and they even had siblings. They had everything.
1:05:13
Now it turns out women who tend to take Tylenol, you do have
1:05:17
slightly higher rates of kids with autism, but it's not the
1:05:20
Tylenol, it's because you're taking opioids and all these
1:05:23
other drugs and neuropsychiatric drugs.
1:05:25
And it turns out there is a relationship to serious
1:05:28
antidepressants, anti epileptics, antipsychotics.
1:05:32
But it's not the. Tylenol.
1:05:33
Extra drugs taking darn pregnancy can lead to autism.
1:05:36
It can predispose the child. Autism doesn't directly result
1:05:40
in it, but the point is McCullough Foundation.
1:05:44
So when that press release came out, immediately we called that.
1:05:48
That is a sad day for America when Trump, actually Trump
1:05:51
couldn't even pronounce acetaminophen.
1:05:53
If you noticed how that press release came out, it looked like
1:05:56
Trump was going to come out and tell us that it was the
1:05:58
vaccines. I, I mean, I remember people
1:06:01
were all confused by that. Of course, they were on both
1:06:04
both sides of the vaccine issue because the the funds who oppose
1:06:07
vaccines typically, I think that's way overblown the
1:06:10
efficacy of them are thinking what what happened to, you know,
1:06:13
MMR, you know, some of the vaccine schedule that seems
1:06:16
over, you know, heavy for kids and then people that well.
1:06:19
OK, so let's sort through this. Supported them, said through
1:06:22
this. I'm glad they're not on our
1:06:24
backs anyways. Well.
1:06:26
The HHS every two years is supposed to submit a report to
1:06:31
Congress on vaccine safety. They've never submitted a single
1:06:34
report. What?
1:06:36
What's the policy that says that they're supposed to be 19?
1:06:38
86 Vaccine Injury Compensation Act They're supposed to be doing
1:06:41
it. They didn't do it.
1:06:42
McCullough Foundation gets a grant to do an independent
1:06:47
review of the vaccine, specifically with respect to
1:06:49
autism. The title of report all.
1:06:51
The childhood vaccines all. The childhood vaccines.
1:06:53
The title of this is the McCullough Foundation report
1:06:57
Determinants of Autism Spectrum Disorder.
1:07:00
So we surveil everything, we catalog every single paper.
1:07:03
We independently adjudicated, not the opinion papers, but the
1:07:06
original data papers. And our conclusion is there are
1:07:10
risk factors for autism. There's not a single 'cause
1:07:13
there's a risk factor. And autism is an epidemic,
1:07:15
particularly here in California. Let me tell you what you have
1:07:18
over 1% of Californian kids completely disabled from autism.
1:07:23
27% of the entire spectrum is profound autism.
1:07:26
I mean completely devastated by this.
1:07:29
Why do you think that's happening?
1:07:30
Well, here's the here's the conclusion.
1:07:34
Autism. As we sit here today, profound
1:07:37
autism is far worse than polio ever was.
1:07:40
I believe that there are more children completely disabled
1:07:43
from autism, including the new autistic Barbie doll who you saw
1:07:48
come out last week. They're disabled from autism to
1:07:52
it's a much bigger pool of American children now devastated
1:07:56
by this than polio. But this is what we concluded
1:07:58
from our analysis that older parents, men over 40, women over
1:08:03
35 is a risk factor. Premature delivery before age 37
1:08:07
weeks and particularly getting early vaccines in the hospital,
1:08:12
common genetic variance, but they're common.
1:08:14
So they can't possibly explain the sudden surge that we're
1:08:17
seeing since 1986. And then heavy drugs taken every
1:08:23
day during pregnancy that affect neurosynaptic transmission.
1:08:26
So antidepressants, antipsychotics, anti epileptics,
1:08:31
those are probably predisposing factors.
1:08:33
What's the big trigger? A big battery of childhood
1:08:38
vaccines. This is is astounding and and
1:08:42
the vignettes are compelling. The child was fine, took a big
1:08:46
battery of vaccines, developed a fever that night or the next
1:08:50
night, got really sick, had a seizure or nearly had a seizure.
1:08:55
And then from that point forward, they were never the
1:08:57
same. They couldn't look at their
1:08:59
parents. They regressed in terms of their
1:09:01
language development. And from that point, they was
1:09:04
changed. And there was a very important
1:09:06
case published about 2010 or so by Jonathan Pulling, a
1:09:13
neurologist at Johns Hopkins. This guy is top brass and it's
1:09:17
about his daughter Hannah Pulling.
1:09:20
So Hannah around 15 months or so gets a little bit behind in her
1:09:24
vaccines because she's for some reason she doesn't get in for
1:09:28
the well baby visits. So she gets a big make up
1:09:31
battery of vaccines, measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria,
1:09:34
tetanus, pertussis, and then the list goes on and on.
1:09:37
So she takes a big battery of vaccines.
1:09:39
She gets really sick that night and the next night and over the
1:09:42
next few weeks develops clear cut autism.
1:09:46
So she regresses, we regresses. And how old is she?
1:09:49
She's, I think at this point in time, 15 to 19 months.
1:09:52
What does Doctor Pauline do? He writes up her case.
1:09:55
He studies her in great depth and he publishes this case
1:10:00
report. Interestingly, his case is part
1:10:03
of the omnibus class action lawsuit they brought forward.
1:10:09
So listen, my child's vaccine injured.
1:10:11
He developed autism after the vaccines and the federal court
1:10:14
agrees with him and says, yeah, your, your child did develop
1:10:18
autism from the vaccines. It's all in our book.
1:10:21
And a case about the US Court of Court of Claims.
1:10:26
And So what happens with this case?
1:10:28
Not now here we have a governed admission that yes, it's it's
1:10:31
it's real. You can actually develop autism
1:10:35
after the vaccines. They agree with him.
1:10:38
He publishes this. It's this is still in the
1:10:40
preview literature today. They pull his case out of being
1:10:43
a bellwether case and they settle separately with him.
1:10:47
What? What do you mean they pull his
1:10:49
case? Who the?
1:10:49
Federal Court of Appeals, the Federal Court of Claims pulls
1:10:53
his case out and says we're going to work a private deal
1:10:57
with you. Though the government settles
1:10:59
out of court with the plaintiff. With doctor polling and then the
1:11:03
rest of the cases and all the mothers and children, they
1:11:07
dismiss all the other cases. So they got, they didn't get a
1:11:09
cent. How much did polling get?
1:11:11
Nobody knows. What's he doing now?
1:11:14
He's in private practice in Athens, GA.
1:11:16
The point is, so the McCullough Foundation report concludes that
1:11:21
combination vaccines are a risk factor for autism.
1:11:24
We sent it to RFK. We sent it to Jim O'Neill at
1:11:28
HHS. We sent it to everybody at the
1:11:29
White House. OK, It's in their boxes.
1:11:33
And, and listen, they follow me, they're on my sub stack, they're
1:11:37
watching me on TV and all over. So what happens within 19 days
1:11:42
of our report, the CDC in the middle of the night changes
1:11:47
their statements on the website and says, you know, we were
1:11:50
wrong. The vaccines may be linked to
1:11:54
autism. When was this?
1:11:57
That was we. We published our report
1:12:00
September 27th, 2025. The CDC changes their language I
1:12:05
think October 15th or 19th. 2020 there was no press release.
1:12:09
No press release, they just changed that.
1:12:10
That's so fast. So you're saying the CDC used to
1:12:13
say on their website there's no link between vaccination,
1:12:17
childhood vaccination and autism.
1:12:19
Now it says there may be a link and this was after your report
1:12:23
19 days. 19 days. So the CDC, so HHS says, well,
1:12:28
we're going to do our own report.
1:12:29
And we applaud them. They've got a $9 billion budget.
1:12:32
They've got 12,000 employees. They got plenty of time.
1:12:35
You got to do the homework for them and then they'll, you know,
1:12:38
take your homework and say it's theirs and you're good.
1:12:40
Now, what happens? Within 90 days of our report,
1:12:43
Trump goes out into social and says, you know what?
1:12:46
Our vaccine schedule disgraced. I trimmed it.
1:12:49
That's what he says. Jim O'Neill.
1:12:51
There's a picture of Jim O'Neill.
1:12:52
Sign in the thing that Jim O'Neill So neither Trump or
1:12:56
O'Neill or medical people, they trimmed it.
1:12:58
So what did they remove? They they went from 17 vaccine
1:13:02
preventable diseases to 11. They made our schedule look
1:13:05
similar to that of Denmark, which is very reasonable.
1:13:08
Denmark, by the way, has better control over infectious diseases
1:13:11
than we do. And I think they removed
1:13:15
probably the least contentious vaccines like the oral rotavirus
1:13:18
vaccine and others. They kept the two big ones.
1:13:22
That removes HPV for little kids, right?
1:13:25
Well, you know, a lot of us has been moved to what's called
1:13:27
shared decision making and they left the 2.
1:13:30
I love these terms. Well, I mean, the, the, the,
1:13:33
they left the big, the two big ones, which are measles, mumps,
1:13:36
rubella and diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, those triple
1:13:39
combinations, those are still in a schedule.
1:13:42
And people say, well, why does the schedule even matter?
1:13:44
It matters because in many states like California, the
1:13:48
schedule is written into law and you can't send your schedule is
1:13:52
cool unless you can achieve. So you'd ask, well, what what?
1:13:56
What would I do if I was in RFKS shoes on day one, I would have
1:14:02
suspended the vaccine schedule and I would have said, listen,
1:14:06
there are no vaccine requirements or mandates.
1:14:10
A vaccine is like any other drug.
1:14:12
It's between the doctor and the patient.
1:14:13
It's free choice. No one should receive any
1:14:15
pressure, coercion or threat of reprisal.
1:14:17
Second thing I would have done, I would have rescinded the 1986
1:14:21
Vaccine Injury Compensation Act. I tell the president, listen, do
1:14:25
this as an executive order because you'll need a
1:14:27
congressional act to do this and have the companies face
1:14:30
liability like they do for every other medicine.
1:14:32
You'd watch a ton of vaccines come off the market because the
1:14:35
companies don't want to face any liability.
1:14:39
What if we moved all vaccine requirements for the military,
1:14:42
for employment, what have you? All the tension would come out
1:14:45
of this if we actually just did this.
1:14:49
But here we are today. We know 1986 liability
1:14:53
protections in place. We still have vaccine
1:14:56
requirements. What we're just seeing a
1:14:58
choreography here and then lots of distraction.
1:15:02
So instead of saying I would have pulled the COVID vaccines
1:15:05
off the market day one, listen, there's manuscripts published to
1:15:08
this effect or there are petitions.
1:15:11
I've testified in the US Senate multiple times making the final
1:15:14
conclusion. So what you're saying is we
1:15:17
should have removed the requirements for childhood
1:15:20
vaccination schedule can still be suggested if they want, but
1:15:23
it has to be up to the parents and the doctors etcetera,
1:15:25
etcetera. There are some states where that
1:15:27
is the case where there is medical freedom and it is not a
1:15:30
requirement. It's a recommendation to have
1:15:34
the childhood vaccination schedule in order to go to
1:15:36
public school as an example. Then the critics of that public
1:15:42
policy approach of vaccinations should be totally voluntary.
1:15:46
They should not be required. Say that will those states, the
1:15:49
kids are less healthy, there's more outbreaks.
1:15:52
Case in point, TX, they say, well, there's all these
1:15:55
outbreaks of is it measles? Measles, right.
1:15:59
That's what the the big one where they, if they don't take
1:16:01
MMR, there's all these outbreaks.
1:16:02
So clearly the vaccine is working because in states where
1:16:07
they take the vaccine, they don't have as many outbreaks.
1:16:10
But remember, if a child does not take a measles vaccine, they
1:16:14
can't have a measles vaccine death.
1:16:17
Why do? Why do you say that if a child
1:16:19
doesn't take a? Measles vaccine.
1:16:21
You can't have a measles vaccine death.
1:16:22
Right, right. Of course, yes, but they can
1:16:24
have a measles. Death is is the point of the of
1:16:26
the person. So then you have to ask which is
1:16:28
worse. Yeah, which is worse?
1:16:31
Measles vaccine deaths. So you think the deaths from the
1:16:35
vaccine are worse than the deaths from measles?
1:16:38
Yes, but then the critics would say, well, that's because less
1:16:42
people have risk of getting measles because they're already
1:16:47
vaccinated, so you can't. They're not.
1:16:49
It's not apples to apples, it's apples to oranges.
1:16:51
Well, they're. Like if every kid got measles,
1:16:54
the deaths from every kid getting measles will be worse
1:16:57
than the deaths of every kid getting the measles vaccine.
1:17:01
Even in the height of no measles vaccine in the United States
1:17:06
with no ICU care, no modern measles treatment care what?
1:17:12
Year are we roughly? Let's say 1962.
1:17:18
OK, whole country got measles. How many measles deaths were
1:17:23
there? How many?
1:17:25
About 350. A year?
1:17:27
Yeah, No. Treatment.
1:17:29
No treatment Nowadays, let's say a child gets measles.
1:17:33
First of all, they get separated from their other children.
1:17:36
They get adequate hydration, they get a vitamin A protocol,
1:17:38
the context, get the contacts of the kids around them, get
1:17:41
measles, immunoglobulin. They develop any signs of
1:17:45
pneumonitis, encephalitis, to get corticosteroids, secondary
1:17:48
pneumonias, get antibiotics. Do you know in that year there
1:17:52
was a paper published from the United Kingdom.
1:17:54
They had meticulous measles records.
1:17:58
You know the rate of measles deaths was .2 per 10,000. .2
1:18:07
children per 10 so it How does that compare to the 50s when 350
1:18:12
kids died? It's about the same because.
1:18:13
It's about the same so. So the So the point is, without
1:18:16
any treatment, the kids who died of measles were malnourished
1:18:20
kids with congenital heart and lung disease.
1:18:22
It's not healthy. Kids die of measles.
1:18:24
Remember the when the Brady Bunch got measles, it would they
1:18:27
just kind of laughed it off. It's a few days off work.
1:18:29
It's no different than a rash in children called ERAS called
1:18:33
petriasis rosia, which we don't have a vaccine for.
1:18:36
Children get viral rashes. But the point is, measles
1:18:42
vaccine deaths, any death should be considered completely
1:18:46
unacceptable. We should never have a child
1:18:49
exposed to something that can kill them for theoretical
1:18:52
benefits. So has that ever happened?
1:18:54
Well, in the varus system, there's about 800 measles
1:18:57
vaccine deaths since 1990. There's a very important case
1:19:01
published at Stanford here in California, and a little baby
1:19:06
comes in, they give him the measles vaccine.
1:19:08
Little did they know that the child a few weeks later was
1:19:11
coming down with acute myelogenous leukemia.
1:19:14
Well, that measles vaccine, the measles, which is a live virus
1:19:19
in that baby mutates, invades the body's body's, the baby's
1:19:22
brain, rots out the brain and kills the baby in front of the
1:19:25
parents. That's unacceptable.
1:19:29
But then did they say the death was the the consequence of the
1:19:31
leukemia? No, the conclusion.
1:19:34
Of scandal. Was right.
1:19:35
So the point is no parent should hand their baby over for
1:19:39
something that's supposed to be good for them and have a death
1:19:43
one. I agree one death should be
1:19:45
unacceptable and that because of the risk of death, we should
1:19:51
allow people to have a free choice.
1:19:53
And you know what? For any disease, get treatment.
1:19:56
Even if we had polio today, we have supportive care.
1:19:59
We have plasma exchange, we have Cortico steroids.
1:20:01
We have other things that we do for Guillain Barre syndrome and
1:20:04
all the other syndromes. Every illness is treatable.
1:20:08
We can't look at deaths in the 1960s and say those deaths would
1:20:12
happen today. We can't say, well, we're going
1:20:15
to accept some deaths now for others.
1:20:18
I've even had mothers online say, you know what, I'd rather
1:20:22
have an autistic kid completely neurologically devastated than
1:20:26
have my child die of measles. They think that's the
1:20:28
proposition. I know.
1:20:30
And the problem is, like you're saying there's no good data to
1:20:32
prove that the vaccine, you know, for measles is somehow
1:20:37
going to make them safer than if they were to not get the
1:20:41
vaccine. I mean, that's the problem.
1:20:42
That is the problem. Did you personally get the
1:20:44
measles vaccine? Did I personally get it as a
1:20:47
kid? I'm not sure.
1:20:49
Probably, probably. Listen, I don't even know.
1:20:52
When I should maybe know that when I was born there was no
1:20:54
measles vaccine, but by age 2 there was a measles vaccine?
1:20:58
My mom. I'm sure I got.
1:20:59
It my mom raced me in and I got a measles vaccine.
1:21:03
Well, OK, then what happened? Well, you know, I never got
1:21:05
measles. My parents did, but I never got
1:21:07
measles. And so I, I enroll in medical
1:21:11
school, they said, well, you we better check your immunity for
1:21:14
measles. I get a blood test, no immunity,
1:21:17
get another measles vaccine. Well, I got another measles
1:21:20
vaccine. OK, then few years later I'm
1:21:23
starting my fellowship. Well, you have to have to be
1:21:26
checked for measles. I got another blood test.
1:21:28
No immunity for measles. Don't they have to give it to
1:21:31
you that one every decade or two to?
1:21:33
Refresh it. Measles, you're supposed.
1:21:35
To be have it lifelong to. Be good for life.
1:21:36
So the point is, I go through four of these by by.
1:21:39
They had 4 measles vaccines. Well the the 3rd and 4th one
1:21:42
were the MMR and I had already had mumps.
1:21:45
I didn't need another mumps. But you can't get a singles.
1:21:48
The point is I've had it four times.
1:21:50
I've never had any evidence of immunity to it.
1:21:53
My my, my colleague out in West TX caring for measles patients,
1:22:03
he was like me. He went to Baylor with me and
1:22:06
Doctor Ben and guess what? He's taking care of measles
1:22:09
patients. What happens?
1:22:11
He gets measles. So the measles vaccine.
1:22:14
Even though he's been vaccinated.
1:22:16
Correct. So the point is the CDC is
1:22:19
deceiving us when they do a measles outbreak investigation
1:22:22
and they say 95% of people are unvaccinated or vaccine status
1:22:29
unknown. Well, wait, wait a minute.
1:22:32
The CDC's got 12,000 employees. They have CDC officers.
1:22:36
They should know the vaccine status of every case.
1:22:39
What you're saying, what it sounds like you're saying is
1:22:41
your is the government blames the measles outbreaks on people
1:22:46
who are vaccine hesitant or who do not get the vaccine.
1:22:48
And what you're saying is measles outbreaks will happen
1:22:51
regardless of the vaccine? Right.
1:22:52
So Someone Like You, you just told me you don't know if you
1:22:55
took the vaccine you would be considered unvaccinated or
1:22:59
vaccine status unknown. If I couldn't find my vaccine
1:23:03
record, I would be considered vaccines.
1:23:05
I. Doubt my mother.
1:23:07
Hasn't. So the CDC is lying to us
1:23:10
because they're not telling us the truth?
1:23:12
A paper by Bianchi and colleagues.
1:23:15
Notice in this interview, I am citing paper after paper after
1:23:18
paper. No one does this at the CDC.
1:23:20
No one does this. Doctor Peter Hotez in Houston
1:23:23
doesn't do this. Paul Offit at Pennsylvania
1:23:24
doesn't do this. Bianchi and colleagues found
1:23:27
people enrolling to medical school.
1:23:29
If you had measles as a child, 96% of the time you had bona
1:23:33
fide immunity. That's the that's the best way.
1:23:35
That's the best way. If you took the vaccine, you're
1:23:37
only about 80% chance. So, you know, this is this is,
1:23:41
you know, part of the medical industrial complex is, you know,
1:23:44
they own the search engines. Whatever you type in Google
1:23:46
measles risks, right? This is what scares your average
1:23:48
parent who's thinking, well, maybe do we need to get the
1:23:50
measles vaccine? It's MMR.
1:23:51
There might be these risks. And I want to ask you about the
1:23:53
risks in a minute too. So there's the question of does
1:23:56
it do any good of vaccines? Like how much good does it do
1:23:59
against diseases that might be curable and are not as big of a
1:24:02
deal? And then there's a question of
1:24:03
do they cause damage to the vaccines, right?
1:24:05
So there's actually 2 sets of questions that are, you know,
1:24:07
are just as important because they can both have to do with
1:24:10
the health of your kid. So you'd say measles risks.
1:24:13
Measles risks include severe complications like pneumonia,
1:24:17
brain swelling. That one really scares parents
1:24:19
because they think is this child going to be mentally disabled
1:24:22
from measles, right ear infections, blindness, also very
1:24:26
scary for parents, even death. So you read this and it says
1:24:31
unvaccinated individuals are the most vulnerable facing
1:24:35
hospitalization risk and long term issues like subacute
1:24:39
scarolosing panacephalitis SSP. All of those, all the neurologic
1:24:46
complications are readily treated with proper use of
1:24:50
steroids. Essentially, it's not an issue.
1:24:52
Same thing. So you can prevent brain
1:24:54
swelling when you get measles. If you take steroids, you're
1:24:56
going to be you're going to be OK.
1:24:57
Is that what? You're saying, well described in
1:24:58
the preview literature, do you know how many cases of measles
1:25:02
there are in the world per year? How many how?
1:25:06
How many are in the United States per year?
1:25:08
I mean, now it's down to 50, right?
1:25:10
Or less. Couple thousand, yeah.
1:25:11
Really. It's a couple thousand.
1:25:13
I'm talking about deaths. What are the deaths from measles
1:25:15
in the US? United States, we haven't had
1:25:17
any though. We haven't had any.
1:25:18
There were there were two deaths in West TX and one family.
1:25:22
This little girl, she got no treatment.
1:25:24
She got no cortical steroids, She got no secondary
1:25:27
antibiotics, nothing. So she died with a lack of
1:25:30
treatment. That was actually investigated.
1:25:32
Dr. Pierre Corey, my colleagues, when I thought you investigated,
1:25:34
Ben Edwards, my colleague out there, verified it.
1:25:37
Then a man died, but he had a heart attack and he was probably
1:25:40
getting over measles at the time.
1:25:42
So that wasn't counted as measles death.
1:25:43
But on average, we have 1000 to 2000 measles deaths a year in
1:25:47
the United States. How many worldwide?
1:25:49
Because a lot of countries don't vaccinate it for it. 600,000
1:25:52
worldwide. Cases, not deaths.
1:25:55
Cases. And how many deaths?
1:25:56
The deaths in The Who reporting was 36, but none of them out of
1:26:02
600,000. 36 total global deaths. Measles, but and none of them
1:26:06
were adjudicated directly due to measles.
1:26:09
So my point is, my point is, listen, if the measles vaccine
1:26:13
went away today, sure there would be cases.
1:26:16
The the reality in in my book, let me show the the, the book
1:26:19
for the camera. So measles, so vaccines,
1:26:22
mythology, ideology, reality. The reality is measles vaccine
1:26:27
drops the case count of measles. That's the reality.
1:26:30
It's wonderful, OK, But it's also the reality that if we
1:26:35
didn't have the measles vaccine with modern treatment, 4 cases
1:26:41
that were severe, we would get through it.
1:26:44
But you said earlier, if I remember correctly, I think it
1:26:46
was in the 50s when there was no measles vaccine and there were a
1:26:49
number of outbreaks, there were 350 annual deaths, correct?
1:26:54
That doesn't sound insignificant.
1:26:56
That's significant. 350 deaths. That's certainly more than 0
1:26:59
deaths are now. There's maybe 2 I.
1:27:00
Know, but it's 3:50 with no treatment.
1:27:02
I would contend that threat 350 today should be 0.
1:27:06
With treatment separate from the vaccine.
1:27:07
With modern medical care. Should be 0.
1:27:09
What are the risks of any, in your view, of the measles
1:27:12
vaccine, which virtually all children are told to get today?
1:27:15
There's about 800 deaths in the books we're investigating.
1:27:18
Since 1990, right? So what is that per year?
1:27:22
What is that? What are we doing?
1:27:23
What are what are we at? Let's pretend we're 2030.
1:27:25
Be generous. Yeah, 30 or 40 deaths a year. 30
1:27:28
or 40 deaths per year, and you're saying that even if every
1:27:31
child got measles in America, you think we could get the
1:27:35
deaths down to 0? They'd be close.
1:27:37
They'd be close. Probably fewer with measles,
1:27:39
more with the vaccine. But the point is, the measles
1:27:41
vaccine is not saving humanity. Now hospitalizations are
1:27:45
contrived. This is very important in the in
1:27:48
the paper by Miller. And by the way, sorry to
1:27:50
interrupt you, but it's sort of not apples to apples to say the
1:27:53
deaths from the measles vaccine, 30 per year versus deaths from
1:27:57
everybody getting measles, because the reality is not every
1:28:00
child will get measles. Or is that unfair to say?
1:28:02
If we really let measles run rampant, would every kid get
1:28:05
measles? No, it's very infectious, right?
1:28:07
Yeah, it's very infectious, but not everybody.
1:28:08
So what are we thinking? 40% of kids would get it. 60%
1:28:11
reasonable fraction of kids would get it.
1:28:13
It's very similar to petriasis Rosia.
1:28:15
We don't have any vaccine for that.
1:28:17
The the point is, is that hospitalizations are contrived.
1:28:22
You know, back in the olden days when Miller and colleagues
1:28:24
reported in 1960s, we didn't put kids in the hospital unless they
1:28:28
were sick. Do you know it is conventional
1:28:31
medical practice today to put kids in the hospital with
1:28:33
measles even if they're not sick?
1:28:35
Even a mild case because they're, they would say, well,
1:28:37
we're monitoring it to make sure there's no brain swelling.
1:28:40
No, it's not even that. It's just saying we're providing
1:28:42
isolation. So they're providing isolation
1:28:45
in the hospital. So they count that as a hospital
1:28:48
statistic. So they say, oh, measles today
1:28:51
has a 20% hospitalization rate. It's completely elective.
1:28:55
So one of the mothers of the Mennonite people out in West TX
1:28:58
who don't take vaccines, they've never taken vaccines.
1:29:02
One day she calls me and I said, well, gosh, what's going on?
1:29:06
She goes, listen, we don't take vaccines.
1:29:08
We've never taken vaccines. Our kids get measles.
1:29:11
They tell us our kids should go to the hospital.
1:29:13
You know we're not going to bring them to hospital unless
1:29:15
they're sick. And the two deaths that have
1:29:18
occurred over 2025, we're not adjudicated due to measles.
1:29:22
They get through measles every year.
1:29:24
So do the Amish. Forever and ever and ever. 2.5%
1:29:27
of American kids don't take vaccines.
1:29:29
Forever and ever and ever they've gotten through measles.
1:29:32
It's not the end of the world. The reality is the vaccine drops
1:29:36
the case count fine. Same thing with chicken pox.
1:29:38
By the way, did you have chicken pox as a kid?
1:29:41
I did. Yeah, I remember that.
1:29:42
Remember the little red dots? I had it.
1:29:45
Doctor Drew, who's in my circles?
1:29:47
Doctor Drew Pinsky out here in LA Doctor Drew, he said, he said
1:29:53
he didn't get his kids vaccinated for chicken pox
1:29:55
intentionally. I said, gosh, I'm kind of
1:29:57
shocked my kids got vaccinated. What does the chicken pox
1:29:59
vaccine do? It drops case counts of chicken
1:30:03
pox. Wonderful.
1:30:05
What's the downside? Higher adult risk of shingles.
1:30:10
So remember, my grandpa got it. There's always a consequence.
1:30:15
There's risks and theoretical benefits.
1:30:17
Remember, vaccines are real risk.
1:30:19
If your children, if your child dies after the measles vaccine
1:30:23
or has Guillain Barre syndrome after a flu shot or is paralyzed
1:30:27
to, that's real. Your child does autism, that's
1:30:30
real. So the risks are real.
1:30:32
The benefits are only theoretical.
1:30:34
I think that's the most compelling reason why increasing
1:30:38
an increasing number of parents are vaccine hesitant or
1:30:41
questioning, because when you get that needle inserted in your
1:30:45
child's body, you know, there are actually unknown risks that
1:30:49
you are accepting now for your child intentionally.
1:30:52
And the, the, the unknown part is the scariest because who to
1:30:55
trust? You know, there's studies that
1:30:57
you're referencing and then you type on you Google and it says,
1:31:00
you know, there are no, you know, risks of to this vaccine
1:31:04
whatsoever or there might be mild discomfort.
1:31:06
You know, you just see so much you're not sure where to who to
1:31:08
trust. But then theoretically, like
1:31:10
you're saying, there could be a risk in the future.
1:31:12
Maybe your child could get measles.
1:31:14
Maybe that could be a severe case.
1:31:15
Maybe the child will be hospitalized.
1:31:17
But you're weighing an actual risk that you're intentionally
1:31:21
receiving against a theoretical 1.
1:31:23
Yeah, the the benefits are theoretical.
1:31:26
So here's an example. So your kids are growing up and
1:31:29
they're good little kids. They're following what mom and
1:31:31
dad tells them to do, and you're contemplating getting the HPV
1:31:35
vaccine, Gardasil vaccine. Listen, if your child doesn't
1:31:39
get a tattoo or have, you know, torpid sexual affairs and
1:31:46
encounters with all kinds of other kids or does IV drugs, if
1:31:50
they don't have the risk, there's zero theoretical benefit
1:31:56
of taking the vaccine. So what I'm saying is a
1:31:59
vaccine's like a drug. I'm a doctor.
1:32:01
I can decide who needs a vaccine and who doesn't.
1:32:04
I for every vaccine, I can decide where the compelling
1:32:08
cases for a child to take a vaccine.
1:32:12
And I would say for a respiratory illness, when they
1:32:16
can die of that respiratory illness because of baseline
1:32:19
malnutrition, cystic fibrosis, congenital lung disease, they
1:32:25
should get those vaccines. If a child does not have a
1:32:27
spleen and they can die of an encapsulated infection like
1:32:31
Hemophilus influenza B or pneumococcus or meningococcus,
1:32:34
they should get that vaccine. If it's a gay or bisexual young
1:32:38
male having anal intercourse, they should get the hepatitis B.
1:32:42
Vaccine don't have anal intercourse.
1:32:44
No, but they should get what I'm saying is as I hear.
1:32:46
What you're saying, yes. I can decide who needs a vaccine
1:32:49
or not, and I can decide with the parents.
1:32:51
A schedule is not helpful. Having a school requirement is
1:32:56
coercive, making this a precondition for employment or
1:32:59
the military. You can see how we're coming to
1:33:04
a point where it's not going to be our government officials that
1:33:08
are going to save us here. It's about people doing their
1:33:12
own research, listening to your show, listening to all points of
1:33:16
view and understanding. There is a pro vaccine bias
1:33:21
built into everything that comes out of The Who, the CDC,
1:33:26
artificial intelligence, Google and what have you it.
1:33:29
Is it's, it's, it's, it's actually stunning.
1:33:31
Because it's in, it's baked in. It's 300 years of this.
1:33:34
Remember, as a parent in 1890 in Boston, if you didn't have your
1:33:40
child smallpox vaccinated, you, the parent would go to jail.
1:33:45
In 1890, yes. So this is not A and.
1:33:47
That would happen in Toronto, that would happen in London.
1:33:50
Well, there's a there was a city in the UK that said this is and.
1:33:53
Your book traces the history of that.
1:33:55
Correct. Listen, this has not happened
1:33:56
before. This has happened before.
1:33:59
There is an ideology, there is a religious belief in vaccines.
1:34:03
That's the reason why people are not thinking clearly.
1:34:05
This religious belief is programmed into these public
1:34:08
health agencies. Just go on the WHOI website.
1:34:11
They say one of the top 10 advancements in public health is
1:34:15
vaccination and some schools of public health.
1:34:19
And listen, I'm a graduate of the School of Public Health.
1:34:22
Most schools of public health claim that vaccination is the
1:34:26
number one most beneficial public health intervention ever
1:34:30
devised. Better than water, sanitation,
1:34:32
better than nutrition or hygiene.
1:34:36
I mean, that's everywhere and you're saying it's complete
1:34:39
bunk. I'm saying that it has to be
1:34:41
considered in the risks and benefits.
1:34:43
I took 69 vaccines, I took 69 different doses, probably far
1:34:49
more than you than anybody in this room.
1:34:51
I can tell you I cannot be labeled as an anti vaxxer.
1:34:56
But if you knew what you knew today, and you had the choice,
1:34:59
would you still take those 69 vaccines?
1:35:02
No. None.
1:35:04
If I knew what I know now, and I'd rely on the McCullough
1:35:07
Foundation report, which now summarizes 12 studies, 12
1:35:12
showing a healthy child born today and I was healthy, my kids
1:35:15
were healthy. A healthy child born today
1:35:18
remains healthier if they take no vaccines whatsoever.
1:35:22
And the data shows that that children who don't take vaccines
1:35:26
are healthier if they're starting out as healthy.
1:35:28
They're healthier. Why?
1:35:30
They're healthier because they have much lower rates of
1:35:33
allergic diseases that are probably triggered by vaccines,
1:35:36
lower rates of food allergies. We're talking asthma, allergic
1:35:39
dermatitis, all kinds of GI intolerance, peanut allergies,
1:35:45
you name it. They have lower rates of
1:35:47
neuropsychiatric disorders, including attention deficit
1:35:51
hyperactivity disorder, autism spectrum disorder, ticks,
1:35:55
involuntary facial movements, and seizures or epilepsy.
1:36:01
By far, the data are clear on this.
1:36:05
And so people are walking away from vaccines right and left.
1:36:08
There's a paper by Vasuvian and colleagues published in JAMA
1:36:12
recently. 60% of young mothers and fathers are not following
1:36:16
the full vaccine schedule, 60% they're not going to.
1:36:20
What's going to happen? This is the post COVID impact.
1:36:22
I think people are people I think lost once they started to
1:36:25
do their own research because everyone is kind of scrambling
1:36:28
and doing it during COVID. They started to realize, oh a
1:36:31
lot doesn't add up that I just assumed added up before when it
1:36:34
came to recommendations from the medical establishment.
1:36:36
That was me. Listen, I took all the vaccines.
1:36:38
I took 40 flu shots, so 40 out of my 69 shots.
1:36:42
Why? I figured, well, there's no harm
1:36:44
in doing it. I never worried about flu.
1:36:46
I never even tested for it. But I was told I should do it.
1:36:50
It's a good thing to do. And then later on I was told
1:36:52
what you have to do it to stay on medical staff.
1:36:54
Then later on, I was told, listen, if you don't take a flu
1:36:56
shot, we are throwing you off medical staff.
1:37:00
I mean, it became more severe over time.
1:37:01
OK. I took a flu shot.
1:37:03
Well, was there any consequence? Well, I never got flu one way or
1:37:06
the other, but I got to the point where I was sick virtually
1:37:11
every month with viral upper spite.
1:37:13
Detect infections. Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick,
1:37:15
sick. What do the studies show?
1:37:18
Well, there's a randomized trial done in adolescence showing that
1:37:21
influenza vaccine reduces a little bit your risk of flu.
1:37:25
It's minimally effective, but it markedly increases your risk of
1:37:28
the common cold, which was happening to me.
1:37:30
Now, a paper by Shretha and Collie's Cleveland Clinic of the
1:37:33
51,000 Cleveland Clinic employees, those who got the flu
1:37:36
shot, much higher rates of influenza and cold and other
1:37:42
viral illnesses. So if with every vaccine there's
1:37:45
risks and there's benefits, healthy people, I stopped taking
1:37:49
vaccines in 2021. I've never felt healthier.
1:37:53
You know, now it's been five years and I feel healthier.
1:37:57
I think a lot of people are going to have that same
1:37:59
conclusion, different scenario for different risks.
1:38:02
If someone's going to go be a missionary in an at risk place
1:38:07
for yellow fever, get a yellow fever vaccine or a typhoid
1:38:10
vaccine. Again, we talked about IV drug
1:38:12
abusers. You know, there, you know,
1:38:14
there's 25,000 women who have hepatitis B who are pregnant,
1:38:19
going to have babies. Most of them come from overseas.
1:38:21
They're they're immigrants to the United States.
1:38:23
They need hepatitis B vaccinations.
1:38:26
So do their children. The mothers, by the way, also
1:38:28
get a antiviral called fosenovir and the babies get hepatitis B
1:38:34
immunoglobulin. So for 25,000 children, they
1:38:36
need interventions to reduce the vertical transmission of
1:38:40
hepatitis B. But of the 3.6 million healthy
1:38:44
babies and healthy mothers, they don't need the hepatitis B shot
1:38:47
at all. The point is an intelligent
1:38:50
doctor, intelligent mother and father.
1:38:51
We can figure this out. We don't need the government and
1:38:54
we don't need a. Schedule I remember asking with
1:38:56
my first born, a doctor in pediatrician in Los Angeles
1:39:01
about hepatitis B because I thought, come on, this is a
1:39:03
little overblown for my like 3 month old baby to get this.
1:39:06
Are you sure? Can I delay?
1:39:07
We don't have any exposure. I don't have you know, that's
1:39:10
like why, why, why, why? And she said, well, he could
1:39:14
step on a needle at the park and get hepatitis B from a drug
1:39:20
addict. C It was because I was trying.
1:39:21
It's like, how would he get this disease?
1:39:24
Like, how is this going to protect him?
1:39:26
And she said he could step on a needle in the park.
1:39:28
And I thought, wow, we've, we've entered that time where now you
1:39:31
get the hepatitis B vaccine when there's no way you could
1:39:34
possibly get the disease because you might step on a needle in a
1:39:37
park. How about we clean up our parks?
1:39:40
Or as a mother, I'm not going to take them to a park where drug
1:39:42
addicts hang out. I.
1:39:43
Mean, think about this. The polio vaccine's only 60 to
1:39:45
70% effective. It's a pretty clean vaccine.
1:39:48
You know, I took it, my kids took it, but we haven't had
1:39:51
polio in the water supply for 20 years.
1:39:53
So there's no way I got exposed to polio.
1:39:55
You haven't gotten exposed to polio.
1:39:57
My kids haven't gotten exposed. The vaccine was unnecessary.
1:40:01
The benefits are theoretical. The risks, even if they're rare,
1:40:05
they're real. Vaccines have come into center
1:40:09
focus right now. And I can tell you I've met a
1:40:13
lot of young mothers and the young mothers who have not
1:40:16
vaccinated their children, their children are healthy as as
1:40:19
horses. These mothers are not going to
1:40:21
turn around and start having the kids take vaccines.
1:40:24
I know a lot of people now, 19% of people in the United States
1:40:28
did not take a COVID vaccine. I didn't take one.
1:40:32
There is no way that I'm going to take a booster shot now.
1:40:36
I have friends who this is totally anecdotal of course.
1:40:40
I'm curious what you take your take on this.
1:40:41
People that got the COVID vaccine who just are getting
1:40:45
sick a lot more colds Blues, they always have an issue.
1:40:48
Is that something that the data bears out?
1:40:51
Doctor Melissa McCann in Australia proposed what's called
1:40:55
a term of reference in the COVID vaccine inquiry of the country
1:41:00
of Australia. The term is called VAIDS vaccine
1:41:04
associated immunodeficiency syndrome.
1:41:07
The SARS COV 2 vaccine. The spike protein on the vaccine
1:41:12
suppresses the human immune system.
1:41:14
People get sick more often. Lifelong.
1:41:17
We don't know. The data from Cleveland Clinic
1:41:20
is horrible. The more shots people take, the
1:41:23
sicker they get with recurrent infection.
1:41:25
And that's what I see in my clinical practice.
1:41:27
People don't get healthy until they stop taking boosters.
1:41:33
That's such a scary. What?
1:41:35
What can people do? If people have stopped taking
1:41:38
shots? They can take detoxification.
1:41:41
So we built a company around this.
1:41:43
Talk about powerful. This is called ultimate spite
1:41:47
detox. It's a combination of natto
1:41:49
kinase, bromolin, and curcumin. Natto kinase and bromolin in
1:41:53
scientific studies. Peer reviewed and published.
1:41:55
Dissolves the spike. Protein.
1:41:56
So you're recommending this for people who took the COVID
1:41:58
vaccine as a way to combat the spike protein?
1:42:00
Correct. Very important.
1:42:02
Do you have any studies on its efficacy?
1:42:05
We have peer reviewed very positive case vignettes.
1:42:11
We have the preclinical data which is very solid and we have
1:42:13
mounting antibody data showing that people who take this, their
1:42:17
antibodies to the spike protein go down as the spike protein is
1:42:21
removed from the body. This is perfect for RFK and
1:42:25
Doctor J Bhattachara to do a large prospective double-blind
1:42:30
randomized specific control trial, which will cost about
1:42:33
$100 million. But yes, we want to see the
1:42:36
government do $100 million studies on how to help people
1:42:40
after they've taken the shot. Do you know how many they've
1:42:42
done? 0.
1:42:45
What is next for you, Doctor McCullough?
1:42:49
What are you? I mean, I know you've got your
1:42:50
company now. You're writing books.
1:42:51
You speak speak on this regularly.
1:42:54
What do you want to see happen and what's next for you?
1:42:56
I do three things. I'm in clinical practice.
1:42:59
I'm age 63. Did they take away the board
1:43:01
certifications or no? I resigned from the American
1:43:04
Board of Internal Medicine, but I'm fully board certified by the
1:43:07
National American Board of Physician and Surgeons, so it's
1:43:10
not. Again, that's Wikipedia saying
1:43:12
he's not even board certified, which is a lie.
1:43:14
You you do have birth. Certifications every day and my
1:43:16
board certification is perfectly fine so no don't believe
1:43:19
Wikipedia Wikipedia when you look at their source what what
1:43:23
did they source they actually sourced let's.
1:43:25
Pull it up really quick. Here, factcheck.org or they'll
1:43:28
source the American Board of Internal Medicine website of
1:43:31
which I resigned from them, and then three months later on their
1:43:36
website it says revoked. So yeah, it says, it says the
1:43:40
American Board of Internal Medicine.
1:43:42
So you are board certified by which board?
1:43:45
The the National Board of American Physician and Surgeons
1:43:49
and ABP. So it's saying a ABIM
1:43:52
recommended that the certifications been revoked
1:43:55
because of your misinformation about vaccines.
1:43:57
It's. But but I resigned with a legal
1:44:00
letter with my attorney with reserving my rights.
1:44:04
So it's claiming, according to Wikipedia, that they revoked the
1:44:07
certifications ABIM in 2025 January 2025.
1:44:11
If you were to ask me. Med page your favorite?
1:44:13
Right. Med Page, right.
1:44:14
So again, those are not authoritative sources.
1:44:16
But if you were asking me, Doctor McCullough, do you have a
1:44:19
letter of decertification from the American board?
1:44:22
No, And you know why? Because they can't do it.
1:44:26
I resigned from the American bar of internal medicine.
1:44:29
That's interesting because it it's sources just saying in the
1:44:31
search of ABEN certification, look up tool you search and it
1:44:34
says not certified revoke. It's not clear exactly when the
1:44:37
credentials were revoked because they never were, to your point,
1:44:40
very shape. Very very.
1:44:41
Interesting. So the point is, listen, I'm
1:44:43
fine, I'm in clinical practice. I'll do that probably for
1:44:46
several more years. I am the chief scientific
1:44:51
officer of the Wellness company, which is the fastest growing,
1:44:55
most you know, beneficial company for American health by
1:45:00
far. Wellness company blows away
1:45:02
Robert F Kennedy Health and Human Services CDC The Wellness
1:45:07
company is offering healthcare to the entire country and is
1:45:11
positioned for pandemic response.
1:45:12
We make emergency medical kits, all kinds of things to help
1:45:15
people through the crisis. Help people with the ultimate
1:45:18
spy detox and other products to help them get past the vaccine.
1:45:21
So the Wellness company is probably the biggest corporate
1:45:24
development coming out of the pandemic.
1:45:26
And I've played a major role in one of the officers in the
1:45:28
company. And then I'm president of the
1:45:29
McCullough Foundation. McCullough Foundation has
1:45:31
already dramatically changed vaccine policy in the United
1:45:34
States. And you think the CDC coming out
1:45:38
and saying now measles or excuse me, the autism may be linked to
1:45:42
the MMR vaccine actually didn't say the specific which vaccine
1:45:45
did it? Did it say the?
1:45:46
CDC. It used the identical wording we
1:45:49
used in our. Report which is.
1:45:51
It's the combination of vaccines.
1:45:53
OK, So the point is. But you're saying you credit
1:45:56
your research with these slight position shifts from coming from
1:46:01
the administration? There was nothing else that
1:46:04
could be pointed to as an impetus.
1:46:06
Do you think they're going to move more based on what you've
1:46:09
seen? Move more meaning the
1:46:11
administration, the Trump administration, RFK is going to
1:46:14
finally say no, this these vaccines should not be
1:46:17
mandatory. No, the administration I think
1:46:19
is going to be and remained relatively unhelpful.
1:46:22
I think it's going to come from the people.
1:46:24
The statewide organizations are going to make a big impact.
1:46:28
In Texas, we have Texans for a vaccine choice.
1:46:31
They have helped dramatically. In Texas, you go onto the
1:46:34
website, you download a form as a parent, you fill out the form.
1:46:38
You can have philosophical, medical, religious exemptions,
1:46:41
Fill out the exemption form, go get it notarized, put it on file
1:46:43
at the schools. You're done.
1:46:45
You never have to visit the issue of vaccines again.
1:46:48
Texas, the COVID vaccine mandates are banned.
1:46:52
If anybody tries to tell you take a COVID vaccine in Texas,
1:46:55
they're violating Texas law. I think it's going to be up to
1:46:58
the people and at the state level.
1:47:00
I, I don't look for anything from, listen, we've been through
1:47:03
Trump one point O, then we had Biden, now we got Trump 2 point
1:47:07
O. And what we see is distraction
1:47:11
instead of being laser focused on the COVID vaccines, the
1:47:14
danger, you know, 500,000 Americans have died.
1:47:17
We see, you know, all kinds of sojourns and, and, and
1:47:22
explorations into fluoride and food dye and and completely
1:47:28
deceptive conferences on Tylenol, a dose of Tylenol.
1:47:32
The food dye thing is without merit.
1:47:34
And then and then I'm just listing the distractions.
1:47:38
Sure, but you consider that a distraction, the food dye stuff,
1:47:41
because red dye 40 is not a good thing.
1:47:42
Well, what I'm saying is it's a distraction, just like eating
1:47:46
tons of red meat and saturated fat.
1:47:50
And we've seen Trump sign a bill for kids drinking whole milk.
1:47:53
These are distractions from. The biggest issues in your view?
1:47:58
No. Do each one of these small
1:48:00
issues, could they be of importance?
1:48:03
I mean, yeah. I mean, I never fed my kids
1:48:06
Skittles. I mean, I know, I know, we're
1:48:08
going to wrap here in a minute, but why do you think there is
1:48:11
such a hesitancy to really deal with the elephant in the room?
1:48:15
Because it's a religious belief. It's a deep ideologically.
1:48:19
Deep. No one wants to.
1:48:22
Are there deep religious beliefs about food dyes?
1:48:25
No. So I think is there deep?
1:48:27
Religion. Is there a big lobby behind food
1:48:29
dyes? Like how much?
1:48:30
Who's profiting off of food dyes the way people are profiting off
1:48:33
of that? Some, I mean, to be fair, the
1:48:35
food industry, so there's kind of the red and yellow dyes are
1:48:38
pretty much the only ones we worry about.
1:48:40
But yeah, that's big Food is behind that.
1:48:42
There's a fluoride and fluoride products and we can go on and
1:48:45
on. But there is to RFK's defense,
1:48:49
you know, as they're worried about these smaller issues.
1:48:53
There are lobbyists behind all of these.
1:48:56
And there's a whole history of American policy being wrong.
1:49:00
From insecticide to polluting waters to mercury and lead.
1:49:07
There's a whole history. Not now.
1:49:09
If you and I, if we could just go back in time, if you and I
1:49:12
could go back to 1870. Besides worrying about the
1:49:15
smallpox vaccine, if you were to have a medical problem, chances
1:49:19
are your doctor would prescribe for you an elixir of cocaine and
1:49:25
you would rapidly get hooked on cocaine.
1:49:27
Chances are your doctor was hooked on cocaine.
1:49:31
That's how deep medicine was wrong and an issue went from
1:49:36
1860 to 1920. There was one paper of concern
1:49:40
published in JAMA during that period of time 1.
1:49:42
On, on the issues of cocaine, cocaine addiction, right.
1:49:45
So I think about the cigarettes. I mean literally they would say
1:49:49
it's healthy. Well, let's smoke cigarettes.
1:49:51
Let's go forward in time. So it's 1945.
1:49:53
You and I go to see our doctor. The doctor says here, here's
1:49:56
some cigarettes in the waiting room.
1:49:57
The doctor smokes all the doctors, all the nurses smoked
1:50:00
everyone. American Tobacco Company RGR
1:50:02
Renards of Philip Morris. They all had doctor cigarette
1:50:06
campaigns smoking 1920 to 1978. No correction by the doctors.
1:50:13
Even there was a Medical Research Council in the UK
1:50:16
19501954 didn't sway them. Surgeon General report, 1960.
1:50:20
Three people are dying of of lung cancer and it didn't
1:50:22
matter. And the doctors are like, no.
1:50:24
It's not happening. It can't be the, it can't be the
1:50:26
smoking. Just like they denied cocaine,
1:50:28
they denied smoking, and now they're denying excessive
1:50:33
vaccination and messenger RNA vaccines.
1:50:35
It's the same. But the point is, don't look for
1:50:39
the federal government to save you.
1:50:40
Don't look for the medical orthodoxy to save you.
1:50:43
Do your own research, do your own reading.
1:50:45
That's the reason why these books are so important.
1:50:47
They can't be censored, they can't be Google search, AI can't
1:50:51
rewrite them. They're in print.
1:50:54
You can read them. It's very important for people
1:50:56
to do their own research. Now I'm glad I did because I'm
1:51:01
not wrong on this. You know, Joe Rogan, the last
1:51:04
comment here, Doctor Peter McCullough was right all along.
1:51:09
Joe Rogan, this is about coming out on the right side of
1:51:13
history. Trump is wrong.
1:51:15
Biden is wrong. Trump 2 Plano is wrong.
1:51:18
Last question, Doctor Peter McCullough, I know that you
1:51:21
have, you know, your books, your company, but what advice do you
1:51:25
give to parents, especially parents who are in states that
1:51:27
are not medical freedom supporting?
1:51:31
I mean, you think about a state like New York, Connecticut,
1:51:34
California, some of these blue states that they mandate full
1:51:38
schedule of vaccinations for kids not fully mandated.
1:51:41
I need to walk that back. They for certain school
1:51:43
privileges you need to be able to fully vaccinate etcetera.
1:51:47
Well. What I would say is this is that
1:51:52
a parental choice of what happens to their child is the
1:51:57
ultimate responsibility. The school is not more
1:52:02
responsible. The federal or state
1:52:03
administration, I mean, the parent is most responsible.
1:52:06
So parents are making their decisions.
1:52:09
There's something like 20 or 30% of Americans just move between
1:52:13
states per year for jobs. There's now probably more than
1:52:16
half of adults that are working from home online.
1:52:19
They're doing all kinds of things.
1:52:20
So parents have to to navigate. Parents are not cemented into
1:52:25
the ground anywhere. No one is.
1:52:28
So a lot of people are moving. Some people move to states like
1:52:31
Texas. They say, listen, forget
1:52:32
California, it's too expensive anyway.
1:52:34
They make their choices. If you were going to say,
1:52:37
listen, I'm wedded to staying in a state that's mandating all
1:52:41
these vaccines, that it's far safer to try to split up the
1:52:46
vaccines as much as possible, far safer to take them
1:52:50
individually. And it's far safer to delay
1:52:52
later in life, certainly beyond age 4 years.
1:52:55
You know, 4 seems to be the magic time frame.
1:52:57
So what some parents do is say, listen, I'm stuck living in New
1:52:59
York. I'm stuck living in California.
1:53:01
I'm just going to wait till after four and then I'll step
1:53:03
them through to get to some minimum level to, to go to
1:53:07
school. But no one's doing this, you
1:53:10
know, happily. And they should have their
1:53:13
voices heard. But you know, this idea of,
1:53:16
well, I was forced into it, you know?
1:53:20
They're not holding you down and.
1:53:21
Listen, I'd lose 3 jobs. I'd lose 30 jobs to not take a
1:53:26
COVID vaccine. Wow.
1:53:28
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. There's just it's, it's, it's
1:53:31
too easy to, you know, we're very labor constrained in the
1:53:34
United States. If people haven't figured this
1:53:36
out, we don't have enough people to actually work in this
1:53:38
country. It's true.
1:53:39
There's so many opportunities if people are willing to get
1:53:43
creative and also not have a limited mindset.
1:53:45
If I have to stay in California, I have to stay in Connecticut or
1:53:47
wherever they are, right? There's there's.
1:53:49
Opportunities, stock, they're caring for an elderly person or
1:53:55
other things, but they have to navigate and they have to
1:53:57
understand there's a risk. And the toughest cases I have
1:54:02
are people who knew the COVID vaccines were unsafe.
1:54:05
They felt forced to take them and they suffered heart damage,
1:54:08
cardiac arrest, have a pacemaker in, have blood clots.
1:54:11
They're absolutely miserable. They're absolutely miserable.
1:54:14
And every single one of them, I asked them, if you could do it
1:54:17
over again, would you skip the vaccines and do something else?
1:54:20
They say, you bet I would. They quit the job.
1:54:22
I quit the job. I'd drop out of the military.
1:54:24
I'd go be a contractor. I'd go do something.
1:54:26
No, I wouldn't do this again. All right, Thank you.
1:54:33
Thank you for your courage, Dr. Peter McCullough.
1:54:35
I mean, I think it's really, I want to commend you for it
1:54:38
because I know that it doesn't always come without its
1:54:41
sacrifices. I wouldn't change a thing.
1:54:44
What's gone on now as we realized over the last 300 years
1:54:48
and for sure over the last five years is a mind blowing reality.
1:54:53
We didn't touch on some other horrible developments like the
1:54:56
transgender movement, etcetera. But let me tell you what, now is
1:55:00
a time for courage. Now is a time to pursue truth.
1:55:03
Now is a time to step up. We're not going to be saved by
1:55:08
any world leader. We're not going to be saved by
1:55:10
any drug company. We're going to have to save
1:55:14
ourselves. Now's the time for discernment.
1:55:17
Now's the time to seek the truth and to realize that our common
1:55:24
sense, our intuition, our maternal and paternal intuitions
1:55:29
are far stronger than what people tell us.
1:55:34
It's very important for people to understand.
1:55:36
I wouldn't change a single thing.
1:55:38
This pandemic has been the capstone to my career.
1:55:41
I have published and promoted, promulgated and fundamentally
1:55:46
spared 10s of millions of deaths, hundreds of millions of
1:55:51
hospitalizations through my innovation.
1:55:53
And now, thankfully, through the Wellness company and a wonderful
1:55:56
group of people, we are now having people emerge from the
1:56:01
misery of long COVID vaccine injuries, disabilities and
1:56:05
deaths by the 10s, if not hundreds of millions, maybe
1:56:09
billions of people. And I've been on some shows
1:56:13
where the reach has been greater than a billion people.
1:56:17
I pray that your work and help change the course here so that
1:56:22
at least at minimum, there's more awareness, like you said,
1:56:26
discernment and I hope medical freedom.
1:56:28
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1:56:30
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