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Rushion interviews Jackson Dunbar, in his tell-all book, RACE MATTERS IN PAIN MEDICINE, Jackson Dunbar, Esq. gives a first-hand account on how he ‘Made Money, Lost 90 Lbs. and Thrived in Chronic Pain" · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: My guest is Jackson Dumbar. Life was almost perfect for
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  Speaker 1: social entrepreneur Jackson Dumbar, the founder of the well Mad
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  Speaker 1: Foundation and well Mad Atlanta. It privately on psychiatric medical firm.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed that everything was going extremely well until a
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  Speaker 1: tragic car accident nearly took his life. Thankfully, he lived,
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  Speaker 1: but he lost his quality of life as chronic pain
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  Speaker 1: made it impossible for him to walk normally, play with
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  Speaker 1: his kids, or even hook his wife. In his tell
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  Speaker 1: all book Race Matters in Pain Medicine, Jackson Dunbarck Squire
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  Speaker 1: gives a first hand account on how he made money,
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  Speaker 1: lost ninety pounds, and thrived in chronic pain. Please welco
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  Speaker 3: Dunbar Hello, how are you? Thank you for having me?
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I read the book. I got the book.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you know like I got it, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a good read. First of all, but it was
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  Speaker 1: an honest it was an honest book. Man. Wow, let's
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about first of all, how are you doing
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  Speaker 1: now physically?
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  Speaker 4: Physically?
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  Speaker 3: What today was an okay pain day?
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  Speaker 4: As a chronic pain patient, where on medicine that really
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  Speaker 4: impairs our cognitive functions. So I think today what it
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  Speaker 4: was okay?
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  Speaker 1: So you said even today you have to deal with pain.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I had that accident back and yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So for the last eight years I've been doing the
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  Speaker 4: dance for chronic pain, and yes, I had to learn
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  Speaker 4: how to manage it.
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  Speaker 3: I which was one of.
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  Speaker 4: The reasons why I wrote my book. I was fortunate
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  Speaker 4: I had resources and so could put together a team
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  Speaker 4: that could that could teach me how to manage the pain.
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  Speaker 3: And a friend suggested that I write.
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  Speaker 4: A book because most people aren't as fortunate to have
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  Speaker 4: those sort of resources.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, let's let's talk about this. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about let's go back, because I don't want I don't
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  Speaker 1: leave anybody in the dark about how this happened. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you were just a short scenary. Your son was in
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  Speaker 1: the backseat. You were driving. Your father, who who had
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  Speaker 1: passed away, gave you his two thousand and four BMW.
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  Speaker 1: He said, if you want to look successful, you need
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  Speaker 1: to drive successful. It was one of the things and
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  Speaker 1: he was making a turn. Now the story is yours.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us what happened.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I closed the biggest stal of well met Atlanta.
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  Speaker 4: We're a group of child and ILYSSM psychiatrists here in Atlanta,
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  Speaker 4: and I just closed the biggest deal of our company's history.
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  Speaker 4: Forty margins. In fact, I was telling my wife, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: big daddy's coming home.
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  Speaker 3: Make sure, make sure you're ready.
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  Speaker 4: All I had to do is take my son to
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  Speaker 4: a soccer game and we'll go from there.
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  Speaker 3: And I took him to a soccer.
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  Speaker 4: Game and someone ran a yield sign, and yeah, it
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  Speaker 4: was like a tale of two different worlds.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see, they.
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  Speaker 4: Were running to me, my show would be okay, Thank god.
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  Speaker 4: He would end up playing soccer a couple of days later,
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  Speaker 4: me not so much. I would have of back procedures,
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  Speaker 4: a batch back surgery, and in the end I was
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  Speaker 4: diagnosed with having permitive nerve damage, which would cause chronic
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  Speaker 4: pain for the rest of my life.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about what happened at the accident. You know,
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  Speaker 1: because this young lady who was five foot seven in
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  Speaker 1: your book says she's white, and you were dealing with pain,
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  Speaker 1: and when people showed up, no one paid attention to you.
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  Speaker 1: They only paid attention to her. What was your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on that, because you explained about it, you explained it
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  Speaker 1: in your book.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it was weird because I was more concerned about
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  Speaker 4: the smoke and the pain that I was in and
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  Speaker 4: just thinking, God, my son was fine. It was my
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  Speaker 4: son that that saw that. He's very insightful. And after
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  Speaker 4: the fourth or fifth card went by and they kept
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  Speaker 4: asking her if she was okay and said nothing to us.
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  Speaker 4: My son said, so, why is that why she caused
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  Speaker 4: the accident? You know, why aren't they asking if we're okay?
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  Speaker 4: And that was on the.
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  Speaker 3: Side of the road.
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  Speaker 4: I had to have a talk every black man has
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  Speaker 4: to have with a son about racism. You know, we
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  Speaker 4: tried to shield our kids from that, but I had
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  Speaker 4: to have a frank discussion about how society for the
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  Speaker 4: most part, protect white women and not so much us.
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  Speaker 3: And it was a real how did he.
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  Speaker 1: Take that conversation? I know he was young, but how
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  Speaker 1: did he what did he consume or what did he
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  Speaker 1: take away from that? Because I know he was trying
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  Speaker 1: to be polite in your conversation and because you was
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  Speaker 1: already trying to shield him, but he asked a question
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  Speaker 1: that you didn't expect to be in the situation to respond,
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  Speaker 1: but you had to respond.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I did, Yes, I did respond. And what I and
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  Speaker 4: the way he responded was he said, okay.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, my son's one of these kids.
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  Speaker 4: He's really thoughtful and He listened a lot, and I
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  Speaker 4: think that was his awakening of the racism that we
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  Speaker 4: have in society.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, there were.
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  Speaker 3: Times when he yelled.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he and I were very physical.
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  Speaker 3: We used to bike to Stell.
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  Speaker 4: Mountain and back. I would have him on the back.
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  Speaker 4: I would have him on the back of my bike.
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  Speaker 4: We were running together, and all that was gone. He
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  Speaker 4: was really angry at the woman because of the accident
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  Speaker 4: and for taking his father away. It was a real
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  Speaker 4: trying time those first few years after the accident.
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  Speaker 1: Well know, I had a lung collapsed when I was
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  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and I stayed in the hospital for
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  Speaker 1: thirty days. You know, just I can relate in some
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  Speaker 1: ways to your chronic pain. I remember when I was
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  Speaker 1: in the hospital, they gave me a morphine drip because
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  Speaker 1: the pain. You know, if anybody had been in a
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  Speaker 1: hospital situation, you press the button if you have pain.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, after a while, it will stop giving you
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  Speaker 1: the drug, otherwise you become addicted to it. But you
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  Speaker 1: still pressing. You're still pressing because the pain didn't go away.
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  Speaker 1: And so that experience of frustration, because I know at
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  Speaker 1: least three times I was checking out of the hospital,
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  Speaker 1: and I had to go back in because my long recollapse.
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  Speaker 1: Here you are in your life twenty fifteen, roughly eight
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  Speaker 1: years later, you're still dealing with a pain that, due
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  Speaker 1: to my physical blessings, I am not dealing with. But
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  Speaker 1: I know that pain, that pain. When you have a
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  Speaker 1: machine over there, there's a drip, morphing drip. When they
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  Speaker 1: give you that machine, they know you are in pain.
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  Speaker 1: And so you're telling me that you hurt your back, correct, yes, sir,
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  Speaker 1: And so we all know when you hurt your back,
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  Speaker 1: you realize how powerful or how important your back is
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  Speaker 1: getting out of bed, walking just lifting things.
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  Speaker 3: How did that your little physical life.
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  Speaker 1: Had turned upside down? Correct?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and it's there were times, especially when they
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  Speaker 4: took the pain medicine away, that I couldn't even make
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  Speaker 4: it up the stairs in my home. I would collapse
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  Speaker 4: because the left side of my body is weaker than
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  Speaker 4: the right, and I just collapsed just in the way
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  Speaker 4: to my body. I would be on the floor. My
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  Speaker 4: kids would come looking at me, and I would have
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  Speaker 4: to lie to them and say I wasn't in pain,
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  Speaker 4: and they were looking at me like I.
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  Speaker 3: Was nuts, And.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, why is it that no one and no
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  Speaker 4: one would give me more minutes. And it was weird
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  Speaker 4: because at the time I thought I was going I
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  Speaker 4: thought I was going nuts. And you're right. You can't
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  Speaker 4: play with your kids, you can't use the restroom, you
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  Speaker 4: can't get all the simple things like cut in the grass.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I used to do all the driving when
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  Speaker 4: we went on trips. You know, I could barely get
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  Speaker 4: in the car now. So this was a real pair
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  Speaker 4: of This is a whole paradigm shift from my entire family.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about this because you know, the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: about I'm working on a big project is tied to
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  Speaker 1: sickle sale. And one of the things that people who
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  Speaker 1: have sickle cell you when they go to the hospital
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  Speaker 1: in a crisis. You know a lot of doctors or
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  Speaker 1: hospitals don't want to give them medicine or drugs to
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  Speaker 1: reduce the pain because they look at them as drug seekers.
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  Speaker 1: That's a term that you use in your book that
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  Speaker 1: people perceive you when you complain about your back, that
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  Speaker 1: they question your pain and saw you as a black man,
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  Speaker 1: a drug seeker. Correct, that's what you said in your book, Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And it's weird because it wouldn't mat And it's weird
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  Speaker 4: because if I look at my background, I'm a job
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  Speaker 4: creator here in Atlanta. I also have a lot agree
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  Speaker 4: in in NBA from a from a top tier school,
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  Speaker 4: and none of that mattered. Nothing, No, And not only that,
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  Speaker 4: Not only that, I had I had images from an
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  Speaker 4: MRI and an EERG which stayed that, hey, this guy
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  Speaker 4: has permanent nerve damage.
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  Speaker 3: In this point.
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  Speaker 4: Yet they still wouldn't give me the medication. They still
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  Speaker 4: thought I was pain seeking and I thought it was crazy.
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  Speaker 4: And then one day, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I decided to get my head.
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  Speaker 4: Around it and see if this was happening to other people.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And I'm telling you it is, especially in sickle
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  Speaker 1: cell patients. Yes, And that's said now Jackson, because in
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  Speaker 1: your book, you know, you talk about the whole it's
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  Speaker 1: a crisis you under you know, like I said, mine
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  Speaker 1: was thirty days, and of course when I got out
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  Speaker 1: of the hospital, I had to have rehab and recovery,
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  Speaker 1: and eventually I recovered from that. But I always remember
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  Speaker 1: that that crisis, you know, the inability to control your
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  Speaker 1: destiny because you're a very confident man, very successful man,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you put in a physical crisis.
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  Speaker 1: You can't even play with your kids. You can't even
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  Speaker 1: get out of bed. Your wife probably has to assist
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  Speaker 1: you are doing normal things. Some drops on the floor,
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  Speaker 1: you can't reach down and pick it up. It starts
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  Speaker 1: to question your term being a man in a in
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  Speaker 1: a relationship? What is your role? How did you deal
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  Speaker 1: with that?
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  Speaker 4: To be honest, that was tough. My father, my father,
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  Speaker 4: like many men of this generation after Vietnam, got married,
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  Speaker 4: had kids, right, He always stressed to me and my
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  Speaker 4: brother that we should go out, have our fun, get educated,
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  Speaker 4: and we shouldn't be and we shouldn't get married to
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  Speaker 4: Abel until we are able to buy our own home.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, And that's what I did.
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  Speaker 4: I bought a four that condo fixed a rupper and
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  Speaker 4: then I'm like, okay, I'm ready to get married. And
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  Speaker 4: so when I get married, it's hey, I'm the man
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  Speaker 4: I'm supposed to produce. That's how I judge myself. And so,
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  Speaker 4: thanks be to God, I was able to do all
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  Speaker 4: of that, and then all of a sudden that have
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  Speaker 4: all that taken away.
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  Speaker 3: It was wadded out.
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  Speaker 4: One of the stadtest points of my life.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you know, here's the thing I'm talking to Jackson Dunbar.
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  Speaker 1: His life changed, Ladies and gentlemen, His changed an accident,
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  Speaker 1: the car accident. Fortunately, fortunately for him, his son was
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  Speaker 1: safe and was unharmed. But his life changed, and another
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  Speaker 1: person caused that change. When we come back, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the insurance companies now, because that's another
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  Speaker 1: game he had to deal with, that black white game
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  Speaker 1: that we always have to deal with, who's gonna pay
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  Speaker 1: and how much they're gonna pay, and how he had
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  Speaker 1: to approach dealing with those issues. All this is in
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  Speaker 1: his book Made Money, Lost ninety pounds and Thrived in
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  Speaker 1: Chronic Pain, Race Matters and Pain Medicine by Jackson Dunbar Squire.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to a successful man, the entrepreneur whose life
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  Speaker 1: was turned upside down in twenty fifteen when a car
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  Speaker 1: accident changed him physically, changed the way he approached life.
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  Speaker 1: Changed his relationship with his child, changed, a relationship with
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  Speaker 1: his wife, change the relationship with his friend. More important,
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  Speaker 1: it changed how he looked at life because of his race.
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  Speaker 1: He was being treated differently. He's being treated he was
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  Speaker 1: treated differently at the accident. He's being treated differently when
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  Speaker 1: you try to seek medical care. He treated differently when
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  Speaker 1: the drugs that he was requested when being denied to
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  Speaker 1: him with all the At what point in this whole game,
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  Speaker 1: Because it's a game. It's a game of race, Jackson
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  Speaker 1: Dunbar that you felt you needed to fight back.
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  Speaker 4: I think the first time the insurance company tried to
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  Speaker 4: load Disney and working in mental health, I know the
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  Speaker 4: insurance game is about time value of money. The longer
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  Speaker 4: they can hold we pay our insurance payments a month
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  Speaker 4: with the expectation of something happened. The insurance company will
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  Speaker 4: pay up.
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  Speaker 1: That false expectations, you know, because they have the little rules.
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  Speaker 1: They'll pay this, but they may not pay that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't tell you all the minor details.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, And so what ended up happening was
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  Speaker 4: after I got a little bit from the fire insurance company,
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  Speaker 4: after the health insurance companies started denying claims, I realized, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I got. I got this legal mind.
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  Speaker 4: Even though my body isn't where it should be, I
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  Speaker 4: should be able to use that. So what I.
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  Speaker 3: Did was.
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  Speaker 4: What the insurance company. I found my lawyer, or I
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  Speaker 4: found a lawyer who I thought could helped me win
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  Speaker 4: a case against someone who lived in who lived in
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  Speaker 4: Cobb County. Now, the thing about the person that it me,
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  Speaker 4: she took ownership. She's what we would call a good defendant.
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  Speaker 4: People wouldn't necessarily throw the book at her. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: they probably feel sorry for her because of because of
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  Speaker 4: what happened. And so I needed someone that could win
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  Speaker 4: given them that sort of environment. So I went and
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  Speaker 4: did that. Then also I know how the insurance company
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  Speaker 4: played I health insurance companies typically deny one or two
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  Speaker 4: times their defense called coordination of benefits and with and
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  Speaker 4: it's what people and it's what the insurance company sends you,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: and it basically shows what the insurance company pays and
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: then what you pay. So most people don't look at
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: that until we get a build. When I got it
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: and saw that the insurance company denied the claim, I
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: called them, hey, what's going on with this?
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: You approved it?
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: They sent it back a month later, and then they.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Approved it, but they approved it out of network.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: People wouldn't insurance know if you seen the provider out
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: of network, you pay more money. And it took three
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: different times, and then finally with the end of.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: The day, you in pain, right, you in pain.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: All this far and pain and I'm like yelling at
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: People's the funny story. You know. My kids were telling
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: me I was yelling and cussing a lot because of
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: the pain, and I said, okay, okay. So they wanted
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: to do a swear dar. I'm like fine. So one
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: day I'm yelling at the assurance cut me.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: My daughter's there and what are you doing. I'm making money.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: She's writing down all the time. I'm like yelling and
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: swearing at the insurance companies because I knew the tactics.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: By the third time, they paid for it. Let's see,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: they paid for it. It was then that worked. Everything was good,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: and that took about four months. Normally that process can
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: go on at least a year, because it may take
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: you four or five months to really look at your
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: EOB and then trying to figure out what's going on.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Typically most people get the bill and by then, yeah,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: you're gonna you're gonna be fighting the insurance company for months.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: The car insurance company.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: There was two car insurance you were dealing. You're dealing
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: with her car insurance, and you had to deal with
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: your car insurance, right because her car insurance would only
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: pay so much. Then you have to wind up fighting
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: with the fair car insurance that you pay, making these
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: monthly payments to have insurance.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, I did.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: And and my my my attorney at the time was funny.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: He said, you know what, Okay, her car.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Insurance is going to pay. Your car insurance company is
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: now owned for snake like behavior. So what you're going
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: to have to do is trust me. And but the
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: thing about it, Jackson, is that you are a great playman.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: What do you mean. I mean, well, hey, listen, you
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: got a law degree, you're well spoken, you're a married man,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: you're a family man, you're a business owner. I love
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I love people like you. All you got to do
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: is go in there and impress them. And I tell
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: people when when you go to these depositions, you know, uh,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: make sure your clean cut, uh, make sure you got
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: to you're you're wearing nice clothes, and and make sure
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: you take the time to frame the narrative so that
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: the lawyer on the opposing side realizes that, hey, you
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: know what we got to like this person to check
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: or we're going to lose. And that was something they
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: taught me in law school years ago. Something I've learned
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: closing deals, uh, closing deals as a businessman here in Atlanta.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: You know what amazes to me the most about this conversation,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Jackson Dunbar, is that we you know, success supposed to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: make your life easier, and we know what you're talking
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: when they're when they're insinuating about people who aren't married,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: or people who have lesser education, how they get treated.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: That's all he's saying, is that. And that's where race
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: comes into play. How people can stereotype you. And I've
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: been stereotyped all my life because I'm black. I've been
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: in stereotyped because of the color of my skin. Buying
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: houses or or getting my houses appraised. I've been stereotyped.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: You know, you've read the stories people that brought in
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: changed their photos in the house the white people or
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and had act like they didn't live there, and they
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: appraised were higher when in those situations. You know, but
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: as a person who battles and stealing chronic pain because
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you got up to almost three hundred and fifty pounds
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in weight what I read in the book, and you
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: lost ninety pounds of the process because a young man
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say he was in the seventies, told you
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you're going to die if you don't lose this weight.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And it all happened because of an accident.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, and that.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Doctor really changed my life. He was an Emory doctor,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: seventy years old, former paratrooper, believing he and I used
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: to buy so we had a lot in common. He
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: had what I call an offense. We had an offense
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: what we had an affinity with each other. And I
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: tell people, if you don't have that affinity with your doctor,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: you're not going to get the type of treatment that
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: you need. And he asked me if you could swim,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, yes, but I'm not going to swim
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: without my lower body. Well just use your arms, okay. Cool.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: So I'm a member of the Way Walker YMCA and
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: started swimming in that pool, and.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: You know what, at three point fifty.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Big big gut going out there, I had. I had
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: sixty year old women swimming around me, splashing water in
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: my face, looking at me, kind of whatever.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: So you three hundred and fifty pound. I toler you,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I toller you.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I'm six one, six one through it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: So you you carrying a lot of space out there,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: six one pound, so you walk into the out there
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: so so so it's like, you know, you big guy
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: coming in. And I remember when you you realized that
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: drugs have value. But I say drugs have value when
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: you went cruising and you left your drugs into in
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: your cabin and they were stolen. Yes, So you got
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: educated on that end too. You got educated by these
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: women swimming around you. At three hundred and fifty pounds,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a seventy year old God tells you if you don't
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: lose weight, you're gonna die. You go cruising and they
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: steer your your medicine.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and and and that and we and that
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: was bad because my meds got stolen day one on
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: a seven day cruise. And the doctor on that ship
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: wasn't like anything on the love boat. And he didn't
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: he didn't believe me that I needed the meds. He
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: gave me a new profen. I'm my God, that's not
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: gonna do anything. He wouldn't write of spirit.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: He gave you, I have a profen and replace of
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the medicines that you actually needed.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, and you knows. And here's the thing.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: My wife is a medical doctor, right, and tried to
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: talk to the person doctor, the doctor and still instill.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: He basically threw us out of his office. I couldn't
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: believe it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And this is on the cruise ship.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, wow, yeah, yeah. You know it's hard to have
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: a bad time on a cruise and I found.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Out how to do it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, you taught me a good lesson. No
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: matter where I go, I lock up my meds, they
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: always stay with me.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Well, this is true. A lot of people don't understand
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: other people. What you might consider regular might have valued
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: street value. And that's what you discovered that your drugs
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: had street vague. And so that's the guy that the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: porter in your room said he actually need threw it away,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: but he probably stole it because he can actually go
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: out there and make money with it. But you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: as we close this, you know, this book was rather
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: fascinating to me, and you know, I know you do.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I know you're a successful entrepreneur and especially in the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: well made foundation and the well made Atlanta Private your
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: own psychiatric medical firm. As we close this out, because
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: we've just been talking about physical we's been talking about
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the physicality of what you couldn't do. How did that
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: impact you mentally?
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I think now that was Now it did, And a
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: lot of that is because I think we as black
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: men were raised that real black men don't need therapy.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: In fact, that's my favorite chapter in the book.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: And they're fifteen million chronic pain.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Patients out there. And what I say is that if
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: you don't have if you don't have a good mental
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: health team, a good psychologist and a psychiatrist that specialize
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: in pain management working on you in your life, you
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: won't be able to reclaim your life.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: And that's hard for us.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: And I own a psychiat I own a psychiatric consulting firm,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: A psychiatrists all around me, all of them were saying, hey, listen,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: you need to see someone and I will and believe
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: it right. And it wasn't until what what I took
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: my daughter. I took my daughter to the hair store
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and the person there was really rude. I started yelling
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: at them and.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Then my daughter ran away.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: She was afraid of me.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Wow, And.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: That was that was maybe four years into this odyssey.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: And at that point I got a good mental health team,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: and what the psychiatrist was able to do was fascinating.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: She basically what happens is that you may have a
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: pain management doctor, you may have an attorneys, you may
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: have a urologist and a few other folks, and all
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: of them are giving you different medications. So by the
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: end you could be taking taking to twenty pills a day,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: two three.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Times a day.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: So what the psychiatrist was able to do was actually
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: going through all the medications and say, Okay, that was
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: making you crazy, that was making you gain weight, Here's what.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do. And from there, Bam, I.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Was able to be myself about about three or four
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: hours out of.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: The day.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: I was, and then I was able to put together strategies,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Strategies on how to navigate medical racism, strategies on how
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: to make money even though I couldn't work, strategies on
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: how to lose weight even though I was on neds
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: that made you gang weight, and finally, strategies on how
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: to thrive even though I was on medications that made
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: you suicidal. Right and and I was working, I was
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: I was a volunteer at Senator Raffia Warnock's campaign and
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: I was there with this minister and we were talking
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: about this. She said out this anger. She said, you
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: know what, you got a lot of anger there. Maybe
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: you should write a book about this whole thing. And
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, maybe what I learned could help other people.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: And so that's and that's why I wrote it. You know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: what do you do? What do you do to navigate
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: medical racism? How do you make money when you're crying
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: to pain you can't? How do you let's see, how
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: do you thrive when you're on medication that makes you crazy?
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: And how do you lose weight when you run pay
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: medication that makes you gain weight? So that was why
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: I wrote the book.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Well, friend, it was an incredible read. How can we
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: get in touch with you Jackson?
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's really get in touch with me is to
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: go to Jackson dumbar dot com. That's Jackson dumbbar dot com. Uh,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: you can even hit me up on I g at
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: jack fights Racism.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Wow, now, Jackson Dunbar. There's a contact link on your
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: website that they can fill out a form and you respond.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: To yes, yes, yes, they hit that link and once
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: they do, if they have any questions about some of
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: them money and make because I'm really big on investing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: I'm really big on investing because it might view it
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: is the only way that someone in chronic pain can
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: and make money, and it's not as hard as people think.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that's another conversation now, you know. I wanted to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: get through this book. I got another guest, incredible guests
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: that I want to talk to in this other half
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: hundred hour. But the most important thing I wanted to
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: tell this story. If you have time, love to bring
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: you back to talk about the investment side of being
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: able to apply yourself and not let physicality or chronic pain,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: or disappointment or lost dreams stop you from achieving in
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: another area. That's another side of your life that I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: thought was really important. But I had never any interviewed
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: anybody who had an accent like that. Still dealing with
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the pain today, dealt with so much denial. Mister Dunbar.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: You incredible. I appreciate you coming on the show again.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Is tell all book, Race Matters and Pain Medicine by
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Jackson Dunbar Expire and where's that website? One more time
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: as we close out.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: The interview, Yeah, thank you thinks it's that Jackson dumbar
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: dot com, that's Jackson dunbar dot com or I g
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: at jack bites racism.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: We talked to my friends, Stay healthy, Stay healthy. Okay,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you calling in on money Making Conversation Master
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Clive