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Takeo Spikes Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: My next guest was drafted in the first round taste
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Speaker 1: I'm big fan, um so I just made crush. A
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Speaker 1: lot of people own the football field. Uh at this point,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't think about to make first down.
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Speaker 1: He stopped him thirteen thirteen pick overall, picked by thessistant
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Speaker 1: Bengals in eight He was a two time All Pro
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Speaker 1: or two time Pro Bowl selection. Is one of only
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Speaker 1: seven linebackers in league history with more than two hundred starts.
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Speaker 1: While playing with the Bengals, Buffalo Bills, Philli, the Eagles Evers,
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Speaker 1: be Fard and out and send diego charges. He was
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Speaker 1: native captain. I love this about leadership the fifteen seasons
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Speaker 1: he was captain thirty time. That says a lot. That's
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Speaker 1: why I wanted you to bring on the show a
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Speaker 1: true testament about your leadership and the qualities you have.
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Speaker 1: And also I wanted to mention this he uh post retirement,
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Speaker 1: he's putting a emphasis on education, finishing his bachelor's degree
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Speaker 1: in Liberal Arts at Auburn and in December sixteen earning
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Speaker 1: his NBA from the university. I am Miami. Please welcome
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Speaker 1: to money making conversations, to kill spikes, my man or
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Speaker 1: that voice, that voice, making money with that voice, making
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Speaker 1: money with it, the presents, everything, everything that comes with it. Well,
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Speaker 1: let me talk about it. I got your book here.
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Speaker 1: It's it's called The Mask. Now behind the Mask, Well,
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Speaker 1: first of all, you are a helmet all your life.
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Speaker 1: Now you say the mask. Is there any reference there
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Speaker 1: are helmet mask or you just mask me something else? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was. I came up with the title just thinking
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Speaker 1: about every day people who used to say, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I know what you look like. But when we look
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Speaker 1: at the rest of the guy eyes, when we try
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Speaker 1: to relate to a lot of the guys who were
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Speaker 1: playing the game, we can't see you because of the mask.
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Speaker 1: And so for me that kind of triggered something in
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Speaker 1: my mind to say, you know what, I want to
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Speaker 1: go behind the mask. That's the reason why I typled
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Speaker 1: my book behind the Mask, because everybody has a story
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Speaker 1: to be told, and regardless of whatever chosen field endeavor
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Speaker 1: that you're chasing, sir, you have a mask. And so
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Speaker 1: that's why my book is titled behind the Mask, because
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Speaker 1: I wanted to go behind the mask to figure out
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Speaker 1: what makes you tick, what makes you so different? You know,
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Speaker 1: he's an interesting thing about you when I'm reading that
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Speaker 1: this is just a short portion of your life. This
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Speaker 1: is the book is more about the incredible linebackers who
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Speaker 1: have dominated there the playing fields over the year. In
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Speaker 1: your linebacker, so there was a natural relationship. And I
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Speaker 1: know your next book is gonna be running back, so
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Speaker 1: as that we may talk about that a little bit
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Speaker 1: before we leave to add the day because it's a
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Speaker 1: top three I want to bring up to your top three?
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Speaker 1: Is I hope I got now that they about this
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Speaker 1: that football is something that you understood was your path
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Speaker 1: was an opportunity. How did you figure that out at
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Speaker 1: a young age. Well, it started with my parents, and
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Speaker 1: they introduced me to the game at the age of
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Speaker 1: seven eight years old, following my brother, and Uh for me,
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Speaker 1: I thought I didn't know at that time, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of kids to this day still don't know because
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Speaker 1: we put so much weight and emphasis on winning and losing.
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Speaker 1: But the lessons that I got out of the game
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Speaker 1: playing an organized sport in the structure leadership, what you
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Speaker 1: talked about earlier, Understanding commitment, Understanding that you know your
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Speaker 1: best availability is a called accountability. If you can't be accountable,
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Speaker 1: then you can't be available. I learned all of those
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Speaker 1: life lessons through the game of football, and that's why
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Speaker 1: I feel that when I watched football. You know, I've
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Speaker 1: never played the sport I call that man's band game.
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Speaker 1: You know. I would tell people here, he is the
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Speaker 1: mentality for football player. He sees somebody running at him
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Speaker 1: at full speed instead of him running a obstractor he
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Speaker 1: you know something, I'm gonna run at him at full
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Speaker 1: speed and we're gonna meet at a point and see
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Speaker 1: who gets pushed off at that point. That's a little
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Speaker 1: man's man to meet. It's I'll be honest with you,
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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you this. I never knew how violent
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Speaker 1: the game it was until I retired in two thousand thirteen.
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Speaker 1: I actually took time. I went back and I got
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Speaker 1: and I went back and I watched the game from
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Speaker 1: the side, and I realized, this is crazy. It's crazy
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Speaker 1: to see two guys. I don't care about my body.
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Speaker 1: I know I don't care about yours. But I wanted
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Speaker 1: to make a point. I wanted to make a point
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Speaker 1: to make sure that my presence was felt, and I
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Speaker 1: made sure that I left a mark that I really
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Speaker 1: wanted to punk you. I wanted to take your soul. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's important that that that we understand. We
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Speaker 1: have a little mic issue of when Mike has cut
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Speaker 1: off and we're kind of sharing the mic right now,
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Speaker 1: but I wanted to make sure that you understand that
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Speaker 1: the physicality, the whole, the whole point of what you
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Speaker 1: do as a as a person is not defined by
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Speaker 1: what you've done in football, is what you're doing after football.
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Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to bring you on the show.
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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that because I clearly you
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Speaker 1: are successful now in life, because you know, football was
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Speaker 1: just an avenue, it was a sport. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: mean all the way down to the trainee, the motivation,
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Speaker 1: listening to your coach, all that stuff. Man, I'm reading
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Speaker 1: this and going, wow, it was I realized at a
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Speaker 1: young age that it was it was an avenue. Like
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Speaker 1: you said, it really was a lead pad. And the
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Speaker 1: more and more I continue to play the game and
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Speaker 1: saw the bigger picture. Like I said, we put so
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Speaker 1: much weight on winning and losing while you actually play.
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Speaker 1: But I slowed down, or somebody slowed me down to
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Speaker 1: really look at the big picture of seeing how the
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Speaker 1: monster works. What exactly does that mean? What's the economics
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Speaker 1: of the game, Like, how does the economics? Why is
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Speaker 1: it that so many people were so excited to see
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Speaker 1: us play sixteen Sundays out of a year. And so
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Speaker 1: that's when I was introduced. I joined the union, and
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Speaker 1: then after joining the union, became one of the player
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Speaker 1: of representatives that carried a vote for our team, the
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Speaker 1: voice of the players. Uh. That ended up leading me
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Speaker 1: to becoming team captain thirteen out of my fifteen years,
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Speaker 1: even though I played on five different teams, and so
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Speaker 1: you know, from that, it really showed me, Okay, understand,
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Speaker 1: this is not going to be here forever. As much
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Speaker 1: as I wanted to be. But then it showed me
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Speaker 1: how can I leverage not only my name and likeness,
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Speaker 1: but what I do in this billion dollar enterprise to
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Speaker 1: be able to have sustainable income after I leave the game.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about let's go before we go pro though.
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Speaker 1: War Eagles, War Eagles. Now, got to tell you something.
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Speaker 1: I'm from Houston, Texas, and so Texas just like Georgia
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Speaker 1: all the South. Football is king in Texas, all right,
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Speaker 1: and so so as as a as a as a
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Speaker 1: young man growing up, Arburn was a school I liked,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I went to Alabama, man
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Speaker 1: Or I was. I was Arbor. Now, I tell you
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Speaker 1: Arbur was the school I like, you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: and so so I I don't know what it was.
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Speaker 1: It was just something about the war Eagle. So tell
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Speaker 1: me as as you being recruited all over couple you
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Speaker 1: know you you you blue chip, you blue chip? What
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Speaker 1: attracts you to the war, And tell us about that
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Speaker 1: experience that so many kids have been that. Now you
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Speaker 1: know today with social media, they make an announcements on TV,
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Speaker 1: they make an announcemal on social media. It's just like
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Speaker 1: that boy Zion Willism. He has over two million Instagram follows.
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Speaker 1: He didn even got into the pros yet, So you
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Speaker 1: didn't live under that world. Tell us the difference. The
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Speaker 1: difference now it's crazy and you talk about blue Chip.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know if they still consider those guys
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Speaker 1: now today coming out of high school blue chippers. If
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Speaker 1: you were considered a blue Chipper back in the nineties
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Speaker 1: to early two thousand's, that means you were the you
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Speaker 1: were that guy like you were that guy. So uh,
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Speaker 1: unbelievable experience because I had the opportunity to not only
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Speaker 1: get recruited by one of the finest institutions out there,
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Speaker 1: but being recruited by everybody across the landing Auburn, Florida State,
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Speaker 1: My top my top five teams was Florida State, Tennessee, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: um Um, Charlie, Yeah, all of that. So all of that.
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Speaker 1: So for me, it was a big honor to be
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Speaker 1: recruited like that. But I really would say this, I
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Speaker 1: think now when you look at compared to when I
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Speaker 1: came out to now and you see these high school players,
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Speaker 1: they're getting cover pages of ESPN, the magazine of every
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Speaker 1: major publication. So for me, when I look at it.
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Speaker 1: The difference is I knew I was good, but I
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Speaker 1: never wanted to kind of rest on my lord, and
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Speaker 1: that forced me to make me. It put my mind
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Speaker 1: set to I never knew how good I really was
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Speaker 1: because every morning when I woke up, I was always
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Speaker 1: chasting greatness. I wanted to do something different. I wanted
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Speaker 1: my story to be told a little different when it
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Speaker 1: was finally over. Now, your special dude, I'm gonna just
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Speaker 1: let you know that there's a certain gene in you
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Speaker 1: that makes you unique. I just I can hear in
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Speaker 1: your voice and I don't I don't want to say
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Speaker 1: nothing negative, but I feel that, uh that, uh, you
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Speaker 1: have a an emotion that that that just drives you.
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Speaker 1: That's not normal. That's why I'm saying it's not you
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Speaker 1: know people say not normal. It's not negative because I
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Speaker 1: think you're driven by something that's that's been instilled in
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Speaker 1: you as as a as a kid. Who who were
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Speaker 1: the people who mentored you? I think mine. I don't
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Speaker 1: think I actually know every day when I woke up
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Speaker 1: a something my mother, my father. I was fortunate enough
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Speaker 1: to grow up in a two parents home, and my
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Speaker 1: father worked a all the time. And my mother, she
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Speaker 1: was an educated school teacher, so you know, for me,
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Speaker 1: it was like I hear them talking. It's one thing
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Speaker 1: as a kid to hear what somebody tells you every day,
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Speaker 1: but it's another thing to see it. And I had
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Speaker 1: the opportunity, blessed to have the opportunity for my mother,
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Speaker 1: my father to show me what the grind looks like.
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Speaker 1: People talk about the grind they got here hustling. I
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Speaker 1: saw it every guy you know, And people ask me
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Speaker 1: to this day now like well why do you do
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Speaker 1: Why do you work so hard? Why do you keep
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Speaker 1: going on uh different shows? Why why do you do
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Speaker 1: this and that? Because I'm programmed that way, like I don't.
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Speaker 1: I never rest on my lords, and I truly believe
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Speaker 1: that I hustle now as if I never made a
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Speaker 1: dollar plan. And that's I have great admiration for what
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Speaker 1: you do. You know so and how your family your
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Speaker 1: success is going back to Steve Harvey all of that man,
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Speaker 1: big admiration. So that's why I do what I do well.
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Speaker 1: The thing about it And thank you, thank you. My
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Speaker 1: wife always in when people compliment you, please said thank
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Speaker 1: you because I'm I'm kind of love a person that
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't do this show about me. I
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Speaker 1: do it about you. I do about exposing. But God
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Speaker 1: has given me the tentacles to be able to how
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Speaker 1: people respect and feeling when they come on this show.
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Speaker 1: It has value to their brain, has value to their career.
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Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna talk about this book,
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Speaker 1: The Mask, because he got some linebackers in here. Man,
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Speaker 1: they've never tackled me because I was afraid. I just
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Speaker 1: Reashart McDonald. How you doing? You're listening to the money
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Speaker 1: making conversation. I was a friend of mine when I
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Speaker 1: when I was leaving office, I said, I said, I said,
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Speaker 1: Lisa Browne, I said, how do you say his first name? Oh?
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Speaker 1: You so you can't keep Let's see the key. I'll
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Speaker 1: just calling Spikes. So your name, man, where did you
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Speaker 1: get that name from? Man, it's a history behind that name,
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Speaker 1: history behind the name. Because let's talk about that name.
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Speaker 1: First whore we start this interview, Let's talk about that
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Speaker 1: the origin of that name. The origin of my name
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Speaker 1: is is Japanese and my mother, when I was born,
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Speaker 1: she wanted to name me after my father. My father
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Speaker 1: his name is Jimmy Lee Spikes. And he said no,
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Speaker 1: I don't want him named after me. And she said
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Speaker 1: why and he said, well, my name is too old
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Speaker 1: time and I want him to have a name that
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Speaker 1: represents him and and it's in there now, and so
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Speaker 1: she said she didn't know. So I was like, hi, Like,
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Speaker 1: I was like, man, how did you pick my name?
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Speaker 1: He was like, I'll be honest. Switch when I waited
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Speaker 1: four days in the hospital and I was looking at
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Speaker 1: TV and I saw the Prime Minister of Japan get
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Speaker 1: up and speak on TV. And she was like, I
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Speaker 1: didn't know how to say it, but I just thought
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Speaker 1: it was so cool and it felt like royalty. And
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Speaker 1: so she said she looked up what it meant and
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Speaker 1: the name te Kyo I was named after the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister te Kyo Mackay, and it meant great warriors. That's
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Speaker 1: how smooth, right, Jeff. So I was like, it is,
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Speaker 1: and so that's how I got my name. That's awesome, man,
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Speaker 1: that's that's a great story. I wanted to make sure
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Speaker 1: we brought that out because you know, I've been watching
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Speaker 1: you play all those years. I go, how do you
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Speaker 1: get that name? How do you get that name? And
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Speaker 1: that that's because that was always a great story that's
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Speaker 1: a that's a great passion behind it, because it was
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Speaker 1: a great thought put into it. And then you've carried
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Speaker 1: it well. And the name does make your name done.
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Speaker 1: And your father was right, Your father was right. This
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Speaker 1: name right here is you. It is how I do
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Speaker 1: believe if you had a different name, not saying you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't been successful, but it gives you a little bit
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Speaker 1: more pipping your step. I believe that people look at
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Speaker 1: you different, they ask questions about your name. It allows
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Speaker 1: you to have that story, to allow you to be
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Speaker 1: able to communicate it. It's turned you into a municator.
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Speaker 1: It has, it really has. And not only does it
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Speaker 1: opens up the conversation, but to your point, you asked
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Speaker 1: me why I go around and I meet kids every day,
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Speaker 1: especially when I do autograph sign and when I come
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Speaker 1: across the name that I haven't seen you like how
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Speaker 1: like why? Like who named you? And and and what's
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Speaker 1: the why behind it? So what sparks up a lot
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Speaker 1: of conversations. I know I get there with Rashawn, so
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Speaker 1: I know if I had been Ricky, I've been different. Rashawn, Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Royal living good. So let's talk about this book man,
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Speaker 1: the Mask. Uh? First, of all, I'm a football nut,
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Speaker 1: you know. And in high school, junior high, they's called
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Speaker 1: me black high sale. And so when I see they
15:44
Speaker 1: see Chuck ben Derrick, that's she had that name right there.
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Speaker 1: And Dick La Bolt name in here right there. That's
15:51
Speaker 1: that's some deep that's some legendary names right there. And
15:55
Speaker 1: then you got Bobby Belle, Kansas City chief who him
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Speaker 1: and Willing in there said, both of them boys, tell
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Speaker 1: you something important. This book is from an African Americans perspective,
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Speaker 1: because see back in the day, you knew that white
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Speaker 1: players were only reserved for certain positions. You know, middle
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Speaker 1: linebacker you had to be white, center you had to
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Speaker 1: be white, and quarterback you had to be white. So
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Speaker 1: Willing there was my first, I'm gonna tell you so,
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Speaker 1: my first hero because he played that position. You know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, no of the importance of this
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Speaker 1: book when you start, when you start lining up everybody,
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Speaker 1: when you start doing what you've done, you know, and
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Speaker 1: then you go Carnelia has been at the Alabama boy,
16:35
Speaker 1: I forgive him books for state. Harry Corson New York Giants,
16:40
Speaker 1: come on, London, Fletcher Washington, Reds Kids, Kevin Green Carolina Path,
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Speaker 1: Ted Hempson, Oakland, Raising the Start the Star, Ricky Jackson,
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Speaker 1: New Orleans, willing there, Mike Singretary the eyes, the eyes though,
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Speaker 1: brother be the eyes. And then you why did you
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Speaker 1: do this book and why did you focus on linebackers?
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Speaker 1: I focused on linebackers because my concept of behind the
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Speaker 1: Mask it had no intentions of having these other cast
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Speaker 1: members on, these other great men, great leaders. But the
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Speaker 1: more I thought about it, and the more I saw
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Speaker 1: a gap. I think in anything that you do, money
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Speaker 1: making conversations, whenever you want to meet somebody, everybody has
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Speaker 1: a need and you have to find that need. And
17:34
Speaker 1: so the need that I saw was when I was
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Speaker 1: hearing their stories told, and some of their stories being told,
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Speaker 1: it was either either diluted or it was not told
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Speaker 1: to the extent with the passion that it deserved. And
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Speaker 1: so for me, I was like, you know what, this
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Speaker 1: is not only will I share my story, I'm gonna
17:52
Speaker 1: go around an interview every guy, and every linebacker comes
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Speaker 1: from a different decade. Absolutely, you talked about Willie Laniers
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Speaker 1: in the history of the game. This is not just
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Speaker 1: a football book. It's a book about leadership. It's a
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Speaker 1: book about perseverance. It's a book about discipline, and I
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Speaker 1: picked a guy out of very decade to share their
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Speaker 1: story of how did they become great? What made you
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Speaker 1: an outlie? What was that defining moment when you were
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Speaker 1: a kid and you said, you know what, I am
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Speaker 1: going to sacrifice everything for an idea or a dream
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Speaker 1: that I have. And I went, I visited every guy
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Speaker 1: for a two year time period, spent the day with them,
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Speaker 1: and I got their story of their defining moment. And
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Speaker 1: so when you look through the book and you read
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Speaker 1: the stories, the stories drives the images, and the images
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Speaker 1: drives the story. So I I just thought it was
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Speaker 1: a great way for me to be able to not
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Speaker 1: only share their story, but allow them to be the
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Speaker 1: author of their own autobiography. Well, I think it's important
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Speaker 1: that the story is important. Like I was telling you,
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Speaker 1: how each one of these stories affected me are still
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Speaker 1: affect me because of the fact that you know, when
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Speaker 1: you when you're going through life, man and you and
19:02
Speaker 1: it's different now, you know, because they they can see
19:05
Speaker 1: social media, they see kids are seeing people, and they
19:08
Speaker 1: think that athletes have this or this writer of passage
19:11
Speaker 1: all their lives, you know, and sometimes and then there's
19:13
Speaker 1: certain things that happened. They check it. You know, you
19:15
Speaker 1: still from the athlete, okay. And and when I when
19:19
Speaker 1: I look at what you're doing with this book, like
19:22
Speaker 1: you said, as different errors. When I when I see
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Speaker 1: there Brooks, such a humble, humble person, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. And the and the and the great Harry
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Speaker 1: Carston who played with LT and the Giants, with those
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Speaker 1: those great giant teams and Fletchers small compact or fearsome force.
19:37
Speaker 1: When you look at all these linebackers, these great linebackers,
19:40
Speaker 1: what do you fall athletically like I took a little
19:43
Speaker 1: bit of this. I I symbolize this type of facana
19:47
Speaker 1: or this type of physicality when you start line up
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Speaker 1: these linebackers. When I look at every guy, to me,
19:53
Speaker 1: I split it down the middle one side, It's like
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Speaker 1: what treats do? I see what they have and how
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Speaker 1: can I incorporate that until my game? And you know,
20:04
Speaker 1: I look at Chuck bay Nay. He was the last
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Speaker 1: of the sixty minute men, meaning he played both ways,
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Speaker 1: offense and the defensive side. Concrete Charlie was his nickname.
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Speaker 1: So for me, I wanted to be hard like Concrete Charlie.
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Speaker 1: You know, when I think about Mike Singletary, nobody ever
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Speaker 1: can recreate or try to. You know, well, they say,
20:28
Speaker 1: uh impersonation is the best form of flattery. But Mike
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Speaker 1: sing for me, it took me to get like fierce
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Speaker 1: mad to even come close to his eyes. And I
20:38
Speaker 1: still didn't accomplish that. But the intimidation factor of Mike
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Speaker 1: Singletary is what I really appreciated. Um. I look at
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Speaker 1: Derrick Brooks. You know, a lot of people don't know,
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Speaker 1: but Derrick Brooks, how you say, humble, reserve guy, but
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Speaker 1: his faith jumps out more than anything. And he didn't
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Speaker 1: care about necessarily football sports itself, but his family. His
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Speaker 1: faith was so strong that it led him to the
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Speaker 1: game of football, and that would really propel him to
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Speaker 1: be the Hall of Fame of that the year is today.
21:09
Speaker 1: So from all of those attributes that these guys had,
21:12
Speaker 1: I kind of picked a little bit from everybody. And
21:14
Speaker 1: you know, and and and it was very fun to
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Speaker 1: hear this story. I agree because I had the humbleness
21:20
Speaker 1: that tone. Derrek Brookish, you know what I'm saying. I've
21:24
Speaker 1: watched you play, the physicality, the sense of the center,
21:29
Speaker 1: uh secretary all the way. But like I said, those
21:32
Speaker 1: those magical eyes he had you cand that was that
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Speaker 1: was God. Their lives with God given. You can't replace
21:37
Speaker 1: those eyes. So I know we had a few minutes left.
21:39
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this next book. You gonn
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Speaker 1: write about these running backs right now we're talking about
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Speaker 1: the Mask Behind the Mask and the Linebacker edition. Now
21:47
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a running back edition coming out, Yes, sir,
21:50
Speaker 1: running Back edition right now. Here's my here's my all
21:54
Speaker 1: time m Smith. Faith in it. Now, Eric Kissin ain't
22:00
Speaker 1: in it, man, I mess him up. I've just thought
22:05
Speaker 1: thought kicking people to the curve. You know, you know
22:09
Speaker 1: he's gotta start with Jim Brown. They played listen, totally agreed.
22:15
Speaker 1: Twelve games, they're they're doing twelve games back, then all
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Speaker 1: of yours. He ran up from just twelve games health games.
22:21
Speaker 1: Then I gotta go to Barry Sanders. M hm m hmmm.
22:26
Speaker 1: I'm in the same kitchen with you, coach self. Am
22:29
Speaker 1: in the same and I know you can cook too.
22:32
Speaker 1: I'm in the same kitching with you. Then I gotta
22:35
Speaker 1: finish up with who I thought was the greatest physical
22:40
Speaker 1: running back that matched speed simultaneously. The Tyler Roves. Earl Campbell, listen,
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Speaker 1: love Earl Campbell one of the first players I saw
22:52
Speaker 1: as a little bit as a youngster. I thought he
22:57
Speaker 1: played lineback, that's how hard he played the game. Alongside
23:02
Speaker 1: Walter Payton CoA. I know, I know, I know it's
23:05
Speaker 1: with that, but I'm I'm just talking about these are
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Speaker 1: three different players. What I'm saying. And Walter Payton, Walter Payton,
23:12
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Walter Payton, uh gifted. But
23:16
Speaker 1: I was never afraid of Walter Payton. I'm just telling
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Speaker 1: you the truth. I was never afraid of him. Earl Campbell,
23:22
Speaker 1: come on now, Errol Campbell was was was a beast.
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Speaker 1: Earl Campbell was one eight hundred. Look you up, yes, sir,
23:29
Speaker 1: and he will step through your chest. And Barry Sanders, Hello, goodbye.
23:34
Speaker 1: I got a great story about Barry Sanders. When we
23:37
Speaker 1: come back, Oh man, we were We're done here, man,
23:39
Speaker 1: we gotta wrap up here, we gotta wrap up. Yeah.
23:42
Speaker 1: I gotta bring you back. I gotta bring you back.
23:44
Speaker 1: You gotta bring me back. He's it deal, here's dere
23:46
Speaker 1: he's there. It's our first time. Can you come back
23:49
Speaker 1: next month? Absolutely? Okay, because see now we got a
23:51
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23:54
Speaker 1: do it on the phone, because I want to bring
23:55
Speaker 1: you back because you're you're I'm just telling your your
23:58
Speaker 1: talents are so unique. Did I want to be a
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Speaker 1: part of your club? I appreciate that I wanna because
24:04
Speaker 1: I got some things that I'm doing in the sports
24:06
Speaker 1: world that I want to sit down and talk to
24:09
Speaker 1: you about. And we're gonna win. But right now, you've
24:12
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24:16
Speaker 1: got the running Base to lineback edition. Here engage what
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