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ABC to Pay Trump BIG plus Democrats Celebrate CEO Muder · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: So we've got a lot to chat about on today's show,
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Speaker 1: and I want to run this with you. First of all,
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Speaker 1: you're going to get to just enjoy this as much
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Speaker 1: as I did when I read the headline. George Stepanopolis
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Speaker 1: and ABC News are being forced to apologize to Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump and pay fifteen million to settle a defamation lawsuit
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Speaker 1: on top of paying a million dollars in Trump's legal fees,
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Speaker 1: bringing the grand total sixteen million. That's amazing. Now here's
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Speaker 1: the part that's even more incredible than that. The money
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Speaker 1: is going to be given to the Trump Library. We're
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Speaker 1: also going to talk about today the radical left is
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Speaker 1: normalizing the either attempted assassinations on people like Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: or the killing of people they disagree with this now,
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Speaker 1: meaning the CEO of the healthcare company, and it is
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Speaker 1: top level people in the Democratic Party who are now
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Speaker 1: normalizing this activity saying, well, we should understand why it's happening.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to play that for you also coming up
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Speaker 1: in a moment, and Democrats are also now saying that
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Speaker 1: the best political move that may have given Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: and I wanted us to do this on these topics.
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Speaker 1: And that is exactly what you're going to hear today,
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Speaker 1: because not only does Donald Trump have allies in the
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Speaker 1: Senate who are trying to protect and defend him as
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Speaker 1: he's getting into office, but he has allies like Senator
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Speaker 1: Cruz are trying to protect him and others from the
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Speaker 1: anarchy of the left, especially when it comes to this
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Speaker 1: just normalizing assassinating anybody you don't like. So with that
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Speaker 1: being said, we're gonna start with that big first story
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Speaker 1: about ABC News. Here is my conversation with Center Tech
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Speaker 1: Cruz about it. Center, I can't believe that I'm actually
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Speaker 1: getting to say this because it's just so funny, but
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Speaker 1: it's real. The President of the United States elect, Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump is going to get a an apology from ABC
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Speaker 1: News and George Stepanopolis on top of the fact they're
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Speaker 1: now forced to pay fifteen million dollars to settle a
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Speaker 1: defamation lawsuit, the fact Lady's singing the pigs are flying,
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Speaker 1: Hell's freezing over.
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Speaker 3: It is truly astonishing. ABC News apologizing to Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: and ABC News writing a fifteen million dollar check to
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Speaker 3: Trump's presidential library, all to settle a defamation case because
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Speaker 3: George Stephanopolis went on National TV and defamed Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: and they're writing a check because of it. And if
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Speaker 3: you never thought it would happen, well it is. We
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Speaker 3: are in a brave, an extraordinary new world. We're going
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Speaker 3: to break it down and what it means. We're also
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Speaker 3: going to go back to the amazing and really sad
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Speaker 3: spectacle of leftist celebrating the cold blooded murder of a
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Speaker 3: healthcare CEO Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders aoc all gleefully celebrating
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Speaker 3: it and sadly encouraging more. We're going to break that
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Speaker 3: down as well. And finally, we're going to talk about
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Speaker 1: all this started from the very beginning for people that
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Speaker 1: may not have been following this, because this was something
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Speaker 1: that was said by George Stepanopolis on ABC News, and
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Speaker 1: they realize, I think pretty quick, okay, we screwed up
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Speaker 1: here because Trump won.
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Speaker 2: So now we got to deal with the consequences of this.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure they would have done it the same
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Speaker 1: way if we would have lost, but obviously ABC News
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Speaker 1: now saying yeah, all right, we're going to admit that
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Speaker 1: we did something that was really stupid.
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Speaker 3: Well, this stems back to March of twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 3: and in particular March tenth on ABC News with George Stefanopolis,
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Speaker 3: and as part of this settlement, ABC News wrote a
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Speaker 3: committed to write a fifteen million dollar check a charitable
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Speaker 3: contribution to Trump's presidential library, and also to pay a
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Speaker 3: million dollars in Trump's lawyer's fees. So, all told, sixteen
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Speaker 3: million dollars is what ABC is out of pocket. And
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Speaker 3: they also had to apologize. They had to issue a
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Speaker 3: statement of quote regret, and so they appended to the
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Speaker 3: story from the March tenth online article the following statement
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Speaker 3: quote ABC News and George Stefanopolis regret statements regarding President
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Speaker 3: Donald J. Trump made during an interview by George Stefanopolis
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Speaker 3: with representative Nancy Mace on ABC's This Week on March tenth,
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. And so, what were the statements that
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Speaker 3: that caused this? Well, George Stephanopolis repeatedly said Trump was
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Speaker 3: quote liable for rape and was found liable for rape
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Speaker 3: in the civil case in New York. And Nancy Mace
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Speaker 3: was was on with Stephanopolis, and Stephanopolis played a clip
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Speaker 3: of Mace discussing being a victim of rape, and then
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Speaker 3: Stephanophilis asked her, quote, how do you square your endorsement
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Speaker 3: of Donald Trump with the testimony we just saw? Quote,
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Speaker 3: You've endorsed Donald Trump for president. Judges and two separate
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Speaker 3: juries have found him liable for rape and for defaming
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Speaker 3: the victim of that rape. And he was referencing the
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Speaker 3: lawsuit by Jene Carroll. Stephanopoulos repeated that claim ten times.
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Speaker 3: Ten times. He repeated that the jury has determined that
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Speaker 3: Trump was liable for rape. What the jury in fact
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Speaker 3: determined is that they found that that that he was
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Speaker 3: not liable for rape, but rather a separate crime under
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Speaker 3: New York law called sexual abuse, and Trump sued ABC News,
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Speaker 3: and Trump sued Stephanopolis for Stephanopolis repeatedly saying a jury
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Speaker 3: had found he was liable for rape when they explicitly
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Speaker 3: found he was not liable for rape. And at the
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Speaker 3: end of the day, this settlement is all about that.
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Speaker 3: That it is It is been black letter law for
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Speaker 3: a long time that when you falsely accused someone of
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Speaker 3: a felony, that that that is defamation. And ABC News
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Speaker 3: just repeatedly said he was liable for rape, liable for rape,
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Speaker 3: that's what the jury found. That's what the jury found.
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Speaker 3: And there was one minor problem. It wasn't true. And
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Speaker 3: so you know, you mentioned they settled this because Trump won.
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Speaker 3: It's true that Trump won, and it's true they settled this,
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Speaker 3: but I guarantee you their lawyers were telling them, listen
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Speaker 3: when you say over and over again, a jury has
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Speaker 3: find found someone guilty of a felony and the jury
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Speaker 3: found the opposite, that's information. And you're going to end
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Speaker 3: up writing a much bigger check if you don't settle
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Speaker 3: this this lawsuit, and and and it happened right after
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Speaker 3: the magistrate judge ordered both Trump and Stephanopolis on Friday
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Speaker 3: to sit for depositions next week, uh and and answer
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Speaker 3: questions under oath. And I think ABC realized they were
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Speaker 3: going to have to sit George Stephanopolis down, and Trump's
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Speaker 3: lawyers were going to get to ask him, Okay, did
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Speaker 3: the jury find him liable for rape?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 4: Or no?
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Speaker 3: And Stephanopolis would be forced to say no, did you
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Speaker 3: say that the jury found him liable for rape? And
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Speaker 3: Stephanopolis would have to be forced to say yes, did
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Speaker 3: you say ten separate times on National TV the jury
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Speaker 3: found him liable for rape? And Stephanopolis would grumble a
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Speaker 3: lot of times and be forced to say yes. And
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Speaker 3: here here's the interesting question there. They were going to
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Speaker 3: ask him, did you know at the time that you
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Speaker 3: said ten separate times the jury found him liable for
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Speaker 3: rape that the jury exploited had found him not liable
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Speaker 3: for rape? And I don't know how Stephanopolis would answer that.
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Speaker 3: My guess is he'd be forced to say yes. But
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Speaker 3: he was either deliberately lying or he was utterly indifferent
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Speaker 3: to what the truth or falsity of what he was
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Speaker 3: saying is. Either way, it is a real problem. And
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Speaker 3: I think they looked at that and they probably had
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Speaker 3: started prepping him for that deposition and realized there is
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Speaker 3: no good answer for him to give, because look, they
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Speaker 3: just hate Trump and so they were happy to say
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Speaker 3: it. It sounds much more sensationialistic to say that, and truth
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Speaker 3: be damned. I think that's why they ended up writing
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Speaker 3: the check.
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Speaker 1: So can we just talk about the humor of this
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Speaker 1: for a second, the fact that ABC News is going
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Speaker 1: to have to write a check for fifteen million dollars
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Speaker 1: to the Trump Presidential Library, Like, do you name part
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Speaker 1: of the library the ABC Settlement Center.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is amazing, It is truly astonishing.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, there's some lefty voices on Twitter saying, oh,
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Speaker 3: free speech is dead. Look, you need to understand, defamation
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Speaker 3: has always been part of free speech. You have a
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Speaker 3: right to speak freely, but you don't have a right
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Speaker 3: to defame someone. You don't have a right to say
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Speaker 3: something that is deliberately false and deliberately defamatory. And it
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Speaker 3: has always been the case that you can be held
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Speaker 3: liable for slander or libel. Slander is saying it saying
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Speaker 3: it orally libel is saying it and writing. They're both
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Speaker 3: species of defamation. If you deliberately say something false. Is
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Speaker 3: that is harmful to the character or an other. And
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Speaker 3: particularly when you're a news organization, there's an expectation that
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Speaker 3: you have some modicum of integrity, some standards, and I
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Speaker 3: think in this case, ABC realized they couldn't defend what
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Speaker 3: they've done.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this administration coming in, you know,
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Speaker 1: January twentieth. And Look, we know that there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of reporting that was on the term administration back
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Speaker 1: in sixteen that was a lie. Russia collusion was a
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Speaker 1: great example of that. And then we know that the
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Speaker 1: media lied to us about for example, Hunter Biden's laptop.
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Speaker 2: That was a lie.
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Speaker 1: And there was a lot of things said that we're
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Speaker 1: not true about people in and around Trump.
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Speaker 2: Is this a reminder now that we've learned to fight
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Speaker 2: it maybe.
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Speaker 1: A little bit differently, that we understand the court system
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Speaker 1: can be used to hold the media accountable when they
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Speaker 1: lie about people in the trum administration.
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Speaker 2: Is this something that actually could change the game a.
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Speaker 3: Little bit perhaps, Look, this is a situation where it
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Speaker 3: was clear and objective that what what ABC said was wrong,
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Speaker 3: that it was false, that that that ABC repeatedly said
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Speaker 3: a jury had found them liable for rape, and that
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Speaker 3: was explicitly the opposite of what they've done. I will
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Speaker 3: say most of the examples you've given, where the media
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Speaker 3: is saying horrible things about Trump over and over and
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Speaker 3: over again, it's much harder to prove defamation. It's harder
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Speaker 3: to prove that it's objectively false. Like on Russia, Russia, Russia.
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Speaker 3: They will say, well, look, we were just reporting what
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Speaker 3: the allegations were. We were reporting what Bob Muller said,
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Speaker 3: We were reporting what so and so said. You know,
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Speaker 3: they can hide behind he said, she said. In this instance,
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Speaker 3: what gave them particular exposure is there was a jury
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Speaker 3: verdict and ABC simply reported it wrong and did so
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Speaker 3: somebody knew whether stuff Stephanopolis knew or not, somebody knew.
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Speaker 3: And I will say, it is harder to win a
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Speaker 3: defamation case if you're Donald Trump, or if you're any
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Speaker 3: public figure, because the Supreme Court the standard for defamation.
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Speaker 3: They made it much harder for a public figure to
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Speaker 3: win a defamation case. And there's a landmark decision from
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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court called New York Times versus Sullivan. It
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Speaker 3: was nineteen sixty four, and what the Court concluded is
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Speaker 3: that you have to demonstrate quote actual malice before you
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Speaker 3: can find defamation if it's against a public figure. And
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Speaker 3: here's the quote from the Supreme Court quote. The constitutional
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Speaker 3: guarantees require, we think, a federal rule that prohibits a
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Speaker 3: public official from recovering damages for a defamatory falsehood related
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Speaker 3: to his official conduct unless he proves that the statement
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Speaker 3: was made with quote actual malice, that is, with knowledge
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Speaker 3: that it was false, or with reckless disregard of whether
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Speaker 3: it was false or not. Now that's a very high
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Speaker 3: standard to prove. And so as a general matter, if
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Speaker 3: someone's a public figure. By the way, if someone is
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Speaker 3: not a public figure, someone's an ordinary citizen, defamation is
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Speaker 3: much easier to prove. You don't have to prove actual malice.
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Speaker 3: But if you are a public figure, and the president
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Speaker 3: of the United States is the quintessential public figure, then
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Speaker 3: you've got to meet that higher threshold. Now there are
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Speaker 3: at least two arguments that Trump's legal team would make.
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Speaker 3: One was, in this case, the defamation was not relating
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Speaker 3: to his official conduct. He was not president in the
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Speaker 3: United States at the time the interaction with Gene Carroll
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Speaker 3: did or did not occur, and so it was not
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Speaker 3: a defamatory falsehood related to his official conduct, but rather
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Speaker 3: his personal life before he was president of the United States.
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Speaker 3: So that would certainly be what Trump's lawyers would argue
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Speaker 3: is that the New York Times versus Sullivan standard doesn't apply.
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Speaker 3: But secondly, even if you had to demonstrate actual malice.
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Speaker 3: Notice a second ago, when I was saying, when they
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Speaker 3: were prepping Stephanopoulos for his deposition, they would have to
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Speaker 3: walk through did he know it was false? Well, I wasn't.
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Speaker 3: I didn't have in front of me the standard. But
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Speaker 3: it turns out I was quoting the standard back at you.
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Speaker 3: Let me read it again. The Supreme Court defined actual
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Speaker 3: malice as quote that is, with knowledge that it was false,
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Speaker 3: or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.
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Speaker 3: So one or the two. You've got to demonstrate for
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Speaker 3: actual malice. And the problem I think that that ABC
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Speaker 3: had is I think it was very clear that they
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Speaker 3: did it with actual malice. There was certainly a producer
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Speaker 3: or somebody knew for a fact it was false to
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Speaker 3: say he'd been found liable for rape. It wouldn't surprise
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Speaker 3: me if a producer had told Stephanopolis, don't say, liable
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Speaker 3: for rape, and it wouldn't surprise me if Stephanopolis decided
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Speaker 3: how I'm going to say it anyway, it's close enough
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Speaker 3: for government work, and it's much more sensationalistic than to
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Speaker 3: report accurately. And I think when they found themselves trying
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Speaker 3: to defend the lawsuit, that it was going to be
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Speaker 3: clear that they either knew what they were saying were false,
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Speaker 3: or at a very minimum, they were engaged in reckless
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Speaker 3: disregard of whether it was true or false. And so
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Speaker 3: they were going to get popped and they were going
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Speaker 3: to lose. And that's why they're apologizing, that's why they're
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Speaker 3: writing a big, big check.
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Speaker 1: And it also made Stepanoplis very vulnerable, right. I think
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Speaker 1: that was part of his preserving their anchor here because
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Speaker 1: if they went into a deposition and they really got
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Speaker 1: to rough him up, that would hurt his brand, and
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Speaker 1: that would hurt the brand of ABC, I think as well,
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Speaker 1: because they still want you to believe that he is
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Speaker 1: the most non biased, hardcore news guy at a news.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's right, And look, Dereck George Stephanopolis worked in
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Speaker 3: the Clinton White House. He was a Democrat operative for
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Speaker 3: years before he became an ABC journalist, and I have
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Speaker 3: no doubt that there were going to be lots of
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Speaker 3: questions from Trump lawyers about, Okay, mister Stephanopolis, what are
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Speaker 3: your communications with Democrats? What are your communications with the
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Speaker 3: White House? What are your communications with Joe Biden and
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris? To what extent are you acting as as
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Speaker 3: a Democrat attack dog? And it may well be I
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Speaker 3: don't know this to be the case. I'm sure they
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Speaker 3: were going to ask those questions, and I suspect that
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Speaker 3: ABC was very nervous about what kind of answered Stephanopolis
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Speaker 3: would give under oath and potentially vulnerable and for the
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Speaker 3: world to know the frequency with which he is explicitly
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Speaker 3: reading the talking points from the Democrat Party.
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Speaker 2: One thing's for sure.
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Speaker 1: When the library opens up, it's going to be really
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Speaker 1: fun to see how they make sure that everyone going
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Speaker 1: through the Life Library knows that this part of the
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Speaker 1: library is brought to you by ABC News and towards Steppanoflis.
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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see the trolling there because I
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Speaker 1: don't believe that Donald Trump is going to let that
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Speaker 1: opportunity pass. I just I don't believe it. It's going
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Speaker 1: to be really fun to see what happens.
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Speaker 3: I think that is a fair prediction. I would not
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Speaker 3: wager on the other side of you on that one.
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Speaker 1: that you think is evil, justify it publicly so we
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Speaker 1: on Donald Trump. We have now seen this turn really
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Speaker 1: ugly when it comes to the murder of this CEO
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Speaker 1: of New York City, the cold blooded murder of this CEO,
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Speaker 1: and people have turned him into some sort of hero.
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Speaker 1: We now have elected officials, Senator, some that you serve
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Speaker 3: Well, And we did an entire podcast on this last
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Speaker 3: week last Wednesday at Courge. You go back and listen
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Speaker 3: to it because I really think what is happening here,
21:42
Speaker 3: It is dangerous and it is grotesque. This healthcare CEO
21:47
Speaker 3: was gunned down in broad daylight in New York City
21:50
Speaker 3: and this deranged killer walked up and shot him multiple
21:53
Speaker 3: times in the back. After a two day man hunt,
21:57
Speaker 3: he was caught and the left lost their mind. They
22:00
Speaker 3: have lionized him because and we did a deep dive,
22:03
Speaker 3: this is because of the cultural Marxism. This is because
22:06
Speaker 3: their ideology says that that anytime the quote oppressor engages
22:12
Speaker 3: in violence, or rather the quote victim engages in violence
22:15
Speaker 3: against the quote oppressor, that that that violence is justified
22:18
Speaker 3: and to be celebrated. And we went through the number
22:22
Speaker 3: of leftists, including Taylor Lorenz, you know, a quote unquote
22:27
Speaker 3: journalist for both the Washington Post and the New York Times,
22:31
Speaker 3: who described how she felt joy, that was her term,
22:34
Speaker 3: joy at this guy being murdered.
22:37
Speaker 2: It's sick.
22:38
Speaker 3: And we talked about as well, how how the view
22:42
Speaker 3: Joy Bihar unloaded on me because I pointed out that
22:46
Speaker 3: these were leftism leftists just celebrating cold blooded murder, and
22:50
Speaker 3: she said, it's not leftist, it's not us at all. Well,
22:53
Speaker 3: Joy Bihar guess what. Your message didn't get to Bernie Sanders,
22:58
Speaker 3: Your message didn't get to Ao, your message didn't get
23:02
Speaker 3: to Elizabeth Warren because all of them in the last
23:04
Speaker 3: few days have been on TV justifying, rationalizing, giving excuses
23:11
Speaker 3: for the cold blooded murder. I want you to listen
23:12
Speaker 3: to this montage of comments from them, and then we're
23:15
Speaker 3: going to talk about it more.
23:17
Speaker 4: And this is not to say that an act of
23:19
Speaker 4: violence is justified, but I think for anyone who is
23:25
Speaker 4: confused or shocked or appalled, they need to understand that
23:29
Speaker 4: people interpret and feel and experience denied claims as an
23:38
Speaker 4: act of violence against them. People go homeless over the
23:42
Speaker 4: financial devastation of a diagnosis that doesn't get addressed, or
23:49
Speaker 4: you know, the amount that they're going to have to
23:51
Speaker 4: cover with a surprise bill and things like that. And
23:55
Speaker 4: when we kind of talk about how systems are violent
23:57
Speaker 4: in this country in this passage way, our privatized healthcare
24:03
Speaker 4: system is like that for a huge amount of.
24:05
Speaker 5: American Yeah, and look, we'll say it over and over.
24:07
Speaker 2: Violence is never the answer.
24:09
Speaker 6: This guy gets a trial who's allegedly killed the CEO
24:13
Speaker 6: of United Health.
24:14
Speaker 5: But you can only push people so far and.
24:17
Speaker 2: Then they start to take matters into their own hands.
24:20
Speaker 6: Yeah, Elizabeth Warren obviously understands killing and murder and shooting
24:26
Speaker 6: somebody in the back is totally unacceptable. But what I
24:30
Speaker 6: think has happened in the last few months is that
24:36
Speaker 6: what you have seen rising up is people's anger at
24:40
Speaker 6: a health insurance industry which denies people the healthcare that
24:46
Speaker 6: they desperately need while they.
24:49
Speaker 2: Make billions and billions of dollars in profit.
24:52
Speaker 1: Anytime you say something's terrible, but it means you're saying,
24:58
Speaker 1: but we understand it. It okay, we get it, we
25:01
Speaker 1: comprehend it. We see how you got from point A
25:04
Speaker 1: to point B. We have video of a cold blooded
25:06
Speaker 1: murderer who goes up and assassinates an individual, and they're
25:12
Speaker 1: justifying the understanding of why it should be why he
25:14
Speaker 1: and others are angry at all these healthcare seeears. This
25:17
Speaker 1: is this is dehumanizing people who you don't like, the
25:22
Speaker 1: same way they've done it with Trump.
25:23
Speaker 2: It is so dangerous.
25:25
Speaker 3: Look at it's exactly the same as with Trump. It's
25:27
Speaker 3: exactly the same as these leftists have done with Hamas
25:31
Speaker 3: on October seventh, where they'll all say in obligatory violence
25:35
Speaker 3: is wrong. But then they immediately start justifying the violence.
25:38
Speaker 3: And they immediately say, well, yes, the rape and murder
25:41
Speaker 3: of twelve hundred is rarely said, that's wrong, But but
25:45
Speaker 3: the Palestinians are oppressed, and we should celebrate the Palestinians
25:48
Speaker 3: and is it wonderful? And then that's what the leftists do.
25:50
Speaker 3: You know, yes, yes, yes, murdering the guy was wrong,
25:53
Speaker 3: I suppose, But you know what, every healthcare ceo needs
25:56
Speaker 3: to be murdered, every CEO needs to be murdered, and
25:57
Speaker 3: they immediately their ideology goes to celebrating violence. And let
26:04
Speaker 3: me just once I would like to see someone on
26:08
Speaker 3: the left be clear and unequivocal that violence is wrong,
26:11
Speaker 3: period the end. This murder was grotesque, it was evil,
26:15
Speaker 3: It was wrong. There is no justification for it whatsoever.
26:18
Speaker 3: Even if your political ideology, as you've decided, you hate
26:22
Speaker 3: this healthcare ceo that you've never met. You don't know
26:25
Speaker 3: what he's done, you don't know anything about him other
26:27
Speaker 3: than that that he he was the CEO of a
26:30
Speaker 3: healthcare company, And because your ideology is so railing against capitalism,
26:37
Speaker 3: you think murder is a great thing. It's it's as
26:39
Speaker 3: I said, it's the same. These are the same people
26:41
Speaker 3: who buy coffee cups that say, you know, I wish
26:44
Speaker 3: wish the guy in Butler, Pennsylvania hadn't missed because violence
26:48
Speaker 3: is okay to them. These are the same people that
26:51
Speaker 3: celebrated the Black Lives Matter ANTIFA riots. This is this
26:55
Speaker 3: is Kamala Harris raising money to bail people out of
26:58
Speaker 3: jail who are violent rioters. Because for today's radical left,
27:05
Speaker 3: the ends justify the means, and violence is okay. And
27:08
Speaker 3: I want to be absolutely clear, violence is never okay.
27:12
Speaker 3: Whether I agree with your ideology or not. Nobody should
27:16
Speaker 3: engage in violence against anyone else and if you do,
27:19
Speaker 3: if you engage in violence, you should face serious consequences.
27:23
Speaker 2: How much do you worry about this becoming normalized.
27:26
Speaker 1: I mean, we got over to Donald trump first assassination
27:28
Speaker 1: incredibly quick.
27:29
Speaker 2: It was like, okay, it happened, but he's so live,
27:31
Speaker 2: let's immediately move on.
27:33
Speaker 1: Then we have another attempted assassination on him down at
27:36
Speaker 1: his golf course and be like, well, I mean it's
27:37
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. You kind of gotta expect this now. That
27:40
Speaker 1: was the demeanor of many on the left. And then
27:43
Speaker 1: there was part of the left, that is exactly as
27:46
Speaker 1: you described it. They were like, well, the guy should
27:48
Speaker 1: have not missed, and it was almost anger at the shooters.
27:52
Speaker 1: I think that's the most shocking part to me is
27:55
Speaker 1: we are dehumanizing people in a way that is now
27:58
Speaker 1: putting other people lives at risk.
28:00
Speaker 3: Well, and and for too many on the left, politics
28:05
Speaker 3: is everything. It is life and death is identity. I mean,
28:08
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I get to say politics is very
28:11
Speaker 3: different than twelve years ago when I first got elected.
28:14
Speaker 3: It's so nasty and personal. You know, we used to
28:18
Speaker 3: be able to disagree without without hating each other, without
28:21
Speaker 3: demonizing each other, with without cheering at at violence and
28:27
Speaker 3: the murder of those you may disagree with. And unfortunately
28:33
Speaker 3: I don't see a whole lot of public democrats speaking
28:36
Speaker 3: out against this it. I wish we had more that
28:41
Speaker 3: had the courage to speak out and say this is
28:44
Speaker 3: unequivocally wrong. Look, well, this strange killer, his lawyers are
28:49
Speaker 3: being paid for by leftists who are celebrating what he did.
28:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the part I think that when I
28:56
Speaker 1: look at this, I'm like, if you said this ten
28:59
Speaker 1: years ago, fifteen years ago, you'd probably have people calling
29:03
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29:05
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29:09
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29:12
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29:15
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31:29
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31:31
Speaker 1: this last selection? What caused it was it really our
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Speaker 1: policy on migrants and illegal immigrants. And there was a
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Speaker 5: The immigration front, there was a tendency amongst Democrats, and
32:14
Speaker 5: especially Democrats were discussing the issue of people who do
32:17
Speaker 5: interviews are part of the media to minimize it. Over
32:21
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Speaker 7: What was interesting because I have a friend who lives
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Speaker 7: in Florida, and I said, what did you think of
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Speaker 7: of Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbot taking some of these
32:47
Speaker 7: immigrants and moving them to Northern States? And she said,
32:50
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32:54
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33:00
Speaker 7: old story was the strain on social services and communities,
33:04
Speaker 7: particularly along the border, this influx, huge influx of immigrants
33:09
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33:13
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Speaker 7: its peril.
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Speaker 1: I mean, wow, right, like at least they're figuring it out.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say that all the media is
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Speaker 1: figuring out, but it is pretty funny they figured out
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Speaker 1: years too late.
33:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at striking to hear Kati Kuric admitting that now,
33:32
Speaker 3: as you know, this was an idea that I suggested
33:36
Speaker 3: three years ago. In October of twenty twenty one, I
33:39
Speaker 3: introduced a bill called the Surge Act. And the Surge
33:42
Speaker 3: Act was designed to create thirteen new ports of entry
33:50
Speaker 3: to send illegal immigrants. And here's here's what my press
33:53
Speaker 3: really said at the time. If Washington Democrats had to
33:56
Speaker 3: endure even a fraction of the suffering South Texas families,
33:59
Speaker 3: far farmer, ranchers and small businesses have had to face,
34:02
Speaker 3: our nation's immigration laws would be in force. The wall
34:05
Speaker 3: would be built and remain in Mexico. Policy would be implemented.
34:08
Speaker 3: And so I introduced legislation to change the points of
34:12
Speaker 3: entry and add thirteen new places. Block Island, Rhode Island, Greenwich, Connecticut,
34:19
Speaker 3: Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, Cambridge, Massachusetts, Governor's Island, New York, Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, Nantucket, Massachusetts, Newport,
34:29
Speaker 3: Rhode Island, Scarsdale, New York, Palo Alto, California, Yuntville, California,
34:34
Speaker 3: Saint Helena, California, and North Hero, Vermont, which is where
34:39
Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders vacations. And the idea was all the places
34:43
Speaker 3: where rich liberals sit and sip chardonnay and look down
34:48
Speaker 3: on people concerned about the open borders. And it was
34:52
Speaker 3: really striking at the time I introduced this legislation, the
34:57
Speaker 3: leftist media went crazy, and in fact, the county executive
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Speaker 3: at Martha's Vineyard attacked me, attacked me by name, and
35:04
Speaker 3: he said Cruise doesn't understand immigration, and he said we
35:09
Speaker 3: and Martha's Vineyard would welcome illegal immigrants. Well, several months later,
35:15
Speaker 3: Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott took me up on what
35:18
Speaker 3: I had suggested, and they did exactly that. They sent
35:21
Speaker 3: fifty illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. And of course that
35:25
Speaker 3: same county executive within twenty four hours declared an emergency
35:29
Speaker 3: and ended up deporting the fifty who had been sent.
35:33
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you we actually covered this on Verdict
35:36
Speaker 3: several years ago. So I want you to play an
35:38
Speaker 3: old segment from Verdict. This is actually pre pre the
35:42
Speaker 3: great Ben Ferguson. This is back when when Michael Noles
35:44
Speaker 3: and I were doing it.
35:45
Speaker 1: Our good friend. Yeah, yes, the voice is about to
35:48
Speaker 1: change a little bit, right.
35:50
Speaker 3: But this is us talking about it three years ago,
35:53
Speaker 3: and it had a bit of foreshadowing.
35:57
Speaker 2: So give a listen.
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Speaker 8: They've just sent airplanes full of illegal aliens to Martha's Vineyard.
36:05
Speaker 8: And I cheered when I saw the headline, and then
36:09
Speaker 8: I had to think, you know, there's a certain podcast
36:12
Speaker 8: hosted by a certain senator from Texas that has been
36:16
Speaker 8: calling exactly for that for many weeks now, and I
36:21
Speaker 8: just can't help but wonder if that may have had
36:23
Speaker 8: some effect on this policy going into effect.
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Speaker 3: I was thrilled when the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott,
36:29
Speaker 3: took me up on the idea and began sending illegal immigrants,
36:32
Speaker 3: first to d C, then to New York, then to Chicago.
36:35
Speaker 3: It's had a fantastic event as these Democratic mayors have
36:39
Speaker 3: lost their minds and declared national emergencies. The mayor of
36:44
Speaker 3: d C declared a national emergency or a city emergency
36:47
Speaker 3: because six thousand illegal immigrants were sent to d C.
36:50
Speaker 3: Of course, we've had since Joe Biden became president, we
36:54
Speaker 3: have had four point two million illegal immigrants cross illegally
37:00
Speaker 3: with Biden as president.
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Speaker 8: It is horrific. That's a crazy number. Four point two million.
37:05
Speaker 8: That is a crazy number. It is larger than many
37:09
Speaker 8: of the states of our Union. I mean, four point
37:12
Speaker 8: two million. Since Joe Biden put his hand on the
37:15
Speaker 8: Bible and took the oath of office, that's what's come
37:18
Speaker 8: and it continues to get worse. And what is amazing
37:22
Speaker 8: about when red state governors, first Texas now Florida are
37:26
Speaker 8: shipping to blue strongholds is the Democrats, who talk a
37:31
Speaker 8: good game immediately flipped tailed. So I want to give
37:34
Speaker 8: you a quote on the from Martha's Vineyard. When I
37:37
Speaker 8: introduced the legislation, you had Democrats, democrats, and the House
37:41
Speaker 8: of Representatives slamm me. But I want to read from
37:46
Speaker 8: the county commissioner of Martha's Vineyard, Keith Chattenover, and here's
37:51
Speaker 8: the quote he said about my legislation. I would love
37:56
Speaker 8: to see Martha's Vineyard become a haven for new immigrants
38:01
Speaker 8: in the country. But Senator Cruz has no idea what
38:04
Speaker 8: he's talking about regarding a border crisis. He went on
38:08
Speaker 8: to say, immigrants make our country stronger, as evidenced by
38:11
Speaker 8: immigration from Brazil and other countries to the vineyard. And
38:15
Speaker 8: he is trying to whip up racial anxieties for political gain,
38:19
Speaker 8: which is essentially the entire GOP platform. Anyhow, that's before
38:23
Speaker 8: they arrived. I want to see if after two, three, four, five,
38:27
Speaker 8: six ' ten, one hundred planeloads or bus loads, if
38:32
Speaker 8: the county Commissioner has the same view.
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Speaker 1: Three years ago you said that, Senator, and now we're
38:39
Speaker 1: seeing that Democrats are actually saying, man, this was really effective,
38:44
Speaker 1: Like this was really really effective. You did this as
38:47
Speaker 1: stopped the Surge Act in October twenty twenty one.
38:51
Speaker 3: And by the way, three years ago, notice that number
38:54
Speaker 3: four point two million illegal immigrants were now over twelve million.
38:59
Speaker 3: What has happened at our southern border is an experiment
39:03
Speaker 3: in radicalism that has never been tried in the United
39:06
Speaker 3: States of America. Our country is struggling the suffering that
39:11
Speaker 3: has occurred, and I will say the actual sending of
39:15
Speaker 3: planeloads and bus loads of illegal immigrants to Blue strongholds.
39:18
Speaker 3: It showed the complete and utter hypocrisy as every Democrat mayor,
39:23
Speaker 3: every Democrat governor, every Democrat county executive completely demonstrated everything
39:28
Speaker 3: they'd been saying was a lie, and it broke through
39:32
Speaker 3: the media freeze out in a way nothing else did.
39:37
Speaker 3: I think Katie Kirk's right that that single action of
39:41
Speaker 3: demonstrating Democrat hypocrisy on this issue could well have decided
39:45
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