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1000s of Illegal Children Schooled in America plus Trump on Sham Hush $$ Case · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Thousands of students crossing the border from Mexico to the
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  Speaker 1: United States of America for one thing, schooling and schooling
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  Speaker 1: doesn't cost much when you're an legal immigrant. And now
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  Speaker 1: many of them that have broken into this country are
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  Speaker 1: now set to graduate. Yeah, can you believe that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to graduate? Congratulations you, as a taxpayer, paid for it.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen.
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  Speaker 2: In a letter obtained by CBS News, legislators from fifteen
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  Speaker 2: states said they want the president to restore order and
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  Speaker 2: quote fix our broken immigration system. Recent data shows the
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  Speaker 2: number of illegal border crossings have fallen, but tens of
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  Speaker 2: thousands are still trying to make it to the US.
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  Speaker 2: Camelo Montoya Galvez traveled to the other side of the
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  Speaker 2: border in Cio Dad Juarez, Mexico, for a closer look
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  Speaker 2: at how the situation is unfolding.
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  Speaker 3: Thereto key, how long have you been waiting here? Nine days?
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  Speaker 4: How long?
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  Speaker 3: Five days? Eight days? Desperate and exhausted, dozens of migrants
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  Speaker 3: huddled under the shade, stranded in this makeshift camp in Mexico,
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  Speaker 3: with the US just out of reach. Where are you all? From?
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  Speaker 3: The younger thin Colombia, Columbia, Guatemala. They came from across
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  Speaker 3: Latin America, fleeing poverty and political turmoil, but they had
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  Speaker 3: one common goal, getting to the US, no matter the cost.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have food? No food, no money, no food,
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  Speaker 3: no water? How long are you willing to wait here for?
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  Speaker 3: When I put the in on Baraque, as long as
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  Speaker 3: it takes. Rene, a migrant from Hondudas, had been there
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  Speaker 3: for fifteen days, braving the elements with his young daughters. Gormaza,
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  Speaker 3: can you sleep here right there? You sleep right there?
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  Speaker 3: Colas were your daughters. You know your next scare. You
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  Speaker 3: don't sleep the night. We just met this group with
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  Speaker 3: several dozen migrants here into Hahuadas, Mexico, including really small
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  Speaker 3: young children. They're all waiting to get to the US,
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  Speaker 3: which is right there of hw yards away. But this
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  Speaker 3: is in their way, miles and miles of razor wire
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  Speaker 3: and another barriers set up by the state of Texas
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  Speaker 3: to repel them from crossing into the US illegally. These
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  Speaker 3: migrants showed us firsthand how sharp the wire was. They
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  Speaker 3: want to kill us, this man, said local shelter director Kadia.
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  Speaker 3: The Sila believes the barriers are inhumane.
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  Speaker 5: That US is the greatest country in the world. We're
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  Speaker 5: able to have I think policy that treats this situation
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  Speaker 5: with dignity, and you don't think this is a.
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  Speaker 3: Way to do it, not at all. This should be
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  Speaker 3: assigned to them not to cross here on the US
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  Speaker 3: side of the border. Texas trooper Eliot Touris understands why
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  Speaker 3: migrants want to cross, but says they should do so legally.
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  Speaker 3: You say this returns people from crossing into the country legally,
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  Speaker 3: but some would call this inhumane, right, what do you
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  Speaker 3: think about that?
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  Speaker 1: The inhumane part is in the optic right, that's what
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  Speaker 1: people perceive.
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  Speaker 5: It to be.
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  Speaker 3: Could this wire cut the migrants if they're trying to
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  Speaker 3: get across, Yes, sir, they could, and that's part of
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  Speaker 3: the terrens.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, sir. Now, if anybody does get cut, that's when
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  Speaker 6: we step in again.
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  Speaker 3: We're not going to let somebody stand there have an injury.
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  Speaker 3: This year, illegal crossings along the US border have plummeted
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  Speaker 3: since soaring to record levels in December. Texas officials say
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  Speaker 3: the dramatic drop stems from their aggressive operations, but Mexico
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  Speaker 3: has also overseen a massive crackdown on migrants. Tens of
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  Speaker 3: thousands of migrants are estimated to be waiting in Mexico
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  Speaker 3: for a chance to enter the US. When we talk
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  Speaker 3: about the humanitarian crisis along the US Mexico border, we
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  Speaker 3: always focus on the side in the US. We rarely
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  Speaker 3: see images like this in Mexico. Yeah, why is that?
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  Speaker 5: I think this is a way of you know, out
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  Speaker 5: ofside of am I. You don't want to look at
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  Speaker 5: the poor. You don't want to people that are vulnerable
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  Speaker 5: because it makes us uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 3: People and his daughters who are preparing to spend another
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  Speaker 3: night near the Texas barriers, hoping for a brighter future.
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  Speaker 3: You think the sacrifice will ultimately be worth it. You
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  Speaker 3: think you will be able to get into the US somedayres.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and Camillo joins me. Now, Camillo is great reporting.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to him for those who are the migrants you
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  Speaker 2: spoke with who are stuck there sleeping outdoors. Remind us
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  Speaker 2: again why they are there and they have hope. But
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  Speaker 2: what's next for them?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 3: The simple answer, John, is that they're growing increasingly desperate.
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  Speaker 3: The Biden administration, as you know, has set up the
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  Speaker 3: system to allow some migrants to enter the US legally
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  Speaker 3: at official border crossings if they are able to secure
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  Speaker 3: an appointment through a smartphone app, but that process is
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  Speaker 3: capped at fifteen hundred spots per day, and that the
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  Speaker 3: man in Mexico we found is far higher. And so
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  Speaker 3: many of these migrants are waiting months, as many as
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  Speaker 3: six months, we heard to get an appointment, and some
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  Speaker 3: of them are growing desperate and choosing to try to
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  Speaker 3: cross illegally into the US, as we saw these migrants
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  Speaker 3: try to do in the story, and what is in
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  Speaker 3: their way for those people who are trying to cross
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  Speaker 3: the border illegally are these layers of fencing and razor
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  Speaker 3: wire that Texas is put in place to prevent migrants
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  Speaker 3: from accessing border patrol agents, federal agents who can allow
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  Speaker 3: the migrants who request asylum. Texas, as you know, has
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  Speaker 3: no jurisdiction to process migrant migrants rather under immigration laws,
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  Speaker 3: and so they cannot begin the asylum process with Texas officials.
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  Speaker 2: And just so just quickly do they are? They using
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  Speaker 2: the app, trying to use the app and it's just clogged.
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  Speaker 3: Those you talks, some of them are, and they're telling
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  Speaker 3: us that they grew desperate and that they gave up
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  Speaker 3: on trying because they woke up every morning at nine
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  Speaker 3: am local time to get an appointment, but the appointments
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  Speaker 3: go very quicker.
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  Speaker 2: Quickly, tell me what Mexico is doing to correct do well.
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  Speaker 3: Mexico has staged an aggressive and massive have cracked down
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  Speaker 3: on migrants who are journeying north towards the US since
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  Speaker 3: the beginning of a new round of negotiations in December,
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  Speaker 3: when illegal crossings dropped sword Rather, Mexico has been stopping
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  Speaker 3: more US bound migrants from boarding trains and buses that
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  Speaker 3: would get them closer to American soil, and they're also
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  Speaker 3: deporting more migrants to southern Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me quickly, Camillo about the executive order, Where's that
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  Speaker 2: stand inside the Biden ministry.
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  Speaker 3: Sources familiar with the Biden administration's deliberations on immigration tell
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  Speaker 3: me that President Biden is indeed considering and weighing whether
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  Speaker 3: to invoke as a secutive authority to try to deter
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  Speaker 3: migrants from cross from the US illegally. One proposal would
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  Speaker 3: involve him invoking an executive power known as two twelve
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  Speaker 3: F that allows presidents to suspend the entry of migrants
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  Speaker 3: and foreigners when it is determined that their arrival would
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  Speaker 3: be detrimental to US interest, but that is still up
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  Speaker 3: in the air, we know, and of course any executive
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  Speaker 3: order on immigration, as has been the case on the
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  Speaker 3: publican and democratic administrations, would be challenging federal court.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just hit pause there. I wanted you to
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  Speaker 1: hear this entire report because there's two things that are happening. One,
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  Speaker 1: you have a media that is giving you this report
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  Speaker 1: and they're doing it in a way that makes it
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  Speaker 1: seem like Texas is evil. And then they say there's
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  Speaker 1: an aggressive crackdown by Mexico, but they won't act like
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  Speaker 1: Mexico is evil in the same way that Texas is
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  Speaker 1: for stopping people as millions of people are invading Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a fact. Excuse me invading Texas from Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: You have this standard which is if you protect your
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  Speaker 1: border while you're being invaded, that somehow you're being inhumane
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  Speaker 1: because you're using razor wire to stop people from invading,
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  Speaker 1: which is also again completely insane. But did you notice
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  Speaker 1: at the very end of that report, and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to call it right now, at the very end of
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  Speaker 1: that report, you probably heard it, and what was said
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  Speaker 1: there at the very end of that report, they said,
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  Speaker 1: out of nowhere that Joe Biden is thinking about some
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  Speaker 1: executive actions. So those executive actions, to be clear, would
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  Speaker 1: be executive actions that would be the same thing that
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  Speaker 1: Trump did to secure the border and have the most
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  Speaker 1: secure border in my lifetime, that they then said Democrats
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  Speaker 1: said was in humane. Right, remember when they said it
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  Speaker 1: was again in humane. Now they're saying it's not in humane.
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  Speaker 1: And this is going to happen, is my gut, pretty
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  Speaker 1: close to election day, where the President is going to
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  Speaker 1: admit that the border has become such an issue for
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  Speaker 1: him that he's got to act like he's doing something
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  Speaker 1: to fix the border so that people that are unhappy
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  Speaker 1: with him will say, well, I mean, okay, finally fixed it,
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  Speaker 1: or he's fighting back of it like he's starting to
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  Speaker 1: fix it, like he's moving it in the right direction.
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  Speaker 1: CBS News was soft launching that initiative for this White
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  Speaker 1: most annoying to me, is that they're doing it and
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  Speaker 1: floating it and getting people's like getting their minds around
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  Speaker 1: it just so they can then actually do it. But
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  Speaker 1: Also speaker Mike Johnson wants to stop quote undocumented immigrants
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  Speaker 1: from voting. It is something they're now moving towards. They're
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  Speaker 1: concerned about it, and you should be concerned about it.
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  Speaker 1: House Speaker Mike Johnson call on Congress this past week
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  Speaker 1: to pass his new Election Integrity Bill, which he claims
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  Speaker 1: will prevent non citizens from voting in federal elections. This
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  Speaker 1: is important because there's so many undocumented immigrants that Democrats
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  Speaker 1: are trying to get to vote in our elections, and
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  Speaker 1: some of them are actually allowed to vote in local elections,
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  Speaker 1: which is a massive problem. Democrats are saying, well, it's
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  Speaker 1: already illegal, so don't worry about it. You get to
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  Speaker 1: decide on which side of that you want to be.
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  Speaker 1: They but very very frustrating battle.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that we're even having to have this debate
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  Speaker 1: or fight over if non citizens should be able to
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  Speaker 1: vote in our elections is insane. Also, something else I
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  Speaker 1: want to throw on your radar screen. And not only
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  Speaker 1: is it that the gopism Bilda Bill last week to
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  Speaker 1: bar non citizens from voting in federal elections, prohibiting something
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  Speaker 1: that already is illegal to address a problem Whall makers
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  Speaker 1: are saying is a problem because of what Democrats are doing.
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  Speaker 1: But Speaker Johnson was also last week and telling reporters
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  Speaker 1: that Republicans are motivated by a institution seeking another law
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  Speaker 1: that would limit the voting of US citizens, saying, this
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  Speaker 1: is the big problem, saying, and again, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: give you the quote. We all know intuitively that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of illegals are voting in federal elections, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not been something that is easily provable. We don't have
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  Speaker 1: that number. This legislation will allow us to do exactly that.
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  Speaker 1: It will prevent that from happening. And if someone tries
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  Speaker 1: to that's an legal immigrant vote in our elections, it
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  Speaker 1: will now be unlawful within the states. That's why we're
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  Speaker 1: doing this. Federal law since ninety six is banned non
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  Speaker 1: citizens from voting in federal elections in many states have
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  Speaker 1: pass laws that do the same for local elections. But
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  Speaker 1: Johnson is making it clear now that we need to
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  Speaker 1: have some reporting on this so we can figure out
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  Speaker 1: how bad it actually is. Johnson saying, it's clear that
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  Speaker 1: it's happening, we just don't know to what extents. Johnson
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  Speaker 1: is making it clear that this is a issue moving
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  Speaker 1: forward in the election that should matter now. Democrats are
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  Speaker 1: responding by making it real simple. They're saying, look, it's
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  Speaker 1: already illegal. This is ridiculous, this is anti immigration, this
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  Speaker 1: is anti minorities. Is anti immigrant, bigoted legislation, is how
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  Speaker 1: it's been described, and so therefore, since it is all
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  Speaker 1: of those things, you shouldn't support it. Now I understand
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  Speaker 1: exactly why Democrats don't want to support this legislation, and
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  Speaker 1: the reason why is they want to allow illegal immigrants
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  Speaker 1: to vote or have the ability to get in on
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  Speaker 1: these elections because they believe, based on their data, that
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming illegal immigrants will vote for the party that's made
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  Speaker 1: it easy for them to break into America, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's what this is all about, is about allowing them
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  Speaker 1: to break in and having a wide open southern border.
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  Speaker 1: I go back to that report that I played for
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  Speaker 1: you just a few minutes ago from c and what
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  Speaker 1: did CBSA. They're like, Wow, you don't understand, right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: like you don't understand just how bad it is. You
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  Speaker 1: don't understand how inhumane what Texas doing trying to secure
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  Speaker 1: their border with millions of illegal immigrants coming in. You
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  Speaker 1: just can't comprehend just how bad it is. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I laugh. It's the way that they're trying to have
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  Speaker 1: it both ways here, Like it's just laughable, it's embarrassing,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's embarrassing, it's laughable, but it's also not surprising
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  Speaker 1: at all. What Texas has been forced to do is
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  Speaker 1: what many other states I think are going to do.
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  Speaker 1: We also have some new audio coming in the President
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  Speaker 1: of the United States of America Trump speaking ahead of
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  Speaker 1: Michael Cohen's testimony in New York City. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to hear what he had to say a moment ago
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  Speaker 1: in New York.
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  Speaker 6: Listen. But the big thing today seems to be the Times.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure the Times is through respect him for at
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  Speaker 6: least letting it come out. And there it is struck,
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  Speaker 6: leading by a lot in every state, every swing state,
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  Speaker 6: leading by a lot. This trial is rigged. It's dishonest.
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  Speaker 6: It's a disgrace to New York. It's a disgrace to
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  Speaker 6: the country. I should be out campaigne now instead of
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  Speaker 6: sitting in a very cold courthouse all day long. This
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  Speaker 6: is a Biden prosecution. It's election interference at a level
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  Speaker 6: that nobody in this country has ever seen before.
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  Speaker 3: This is for.
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  Speaker 6: Third world countries, not for the USA, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: It's for third world countries, not for the USA. The
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  Speaker 1: President also saying that this is about the judge and
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  Speaker 1: corruption and what's happening in New York. Li'sten carefully, that's
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  Speaker 1: what Biden.
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  Speaker 6: This will comes from Biden to the White House, by
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  Speaker 6: the way, and they have that top equal here. He
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  Speaker 6: can't when he can't put two sentences together, He's the
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  Speaker 6: worst president in the history of our country. Can't speak,
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  Speaker 6: can't walk off a helicopter, can't walk off a playing
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  Speaker 6: can't walk off of stage. And the only way they
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  Speaker 6: think they can win is if they can do something
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  Speaker 6: with job, because we have an incompetent, the worst president
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  Speaker 6: in the history of the United States of America, Jonathan. Generally,
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  Speaker 6: after Bragg closes the prosecution's case, the defense will make
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  Speaker 6: a standard motion for dismissal Mershid who is so through
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  Speaker 6: and so conflicted like no judge has ever been. And
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  Speaker 6: the presslers don't want to write about it, but you
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  Speaker 6: know exactly what we're saying. Merciad should grant that motion
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  Speaker 6: for dismissal. There's been no showing a crime. They failed
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  Speaker 6: to protect the rights of the defendant from a baseless,
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  Speaker 6: politically motivated prosecution. That's Jonathan's internally. All very talented legal experts.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you listen to this and you hear them
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  Speaker 1: say it's coming from the Biden White House. It is.
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  Speaker 1: The Biden White House is sitting there going after the
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  Speaker 1: former president who's the leader, as you just mentioned, and
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  Speaker 1: the Biden White House is trying to distract you with
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  Speaker 1: anything they can, Like, Hey, we're gonna we're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: hard on Israel all of a sudden. Wait what hey,
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  Speaker 1: We're not gonna sell them arms. Wait what hey, We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna say that Texas is evil because they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: secure the border with Texas and not allow millions to
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  Speaker 1: come in. Hey, we think every legal immigrant in this
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  Speaker 1: country should be able to vote, but we don't want
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  Speaker 1: to put a law out there that says they can't vote.
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  Speaker 1: And we're gonna say the Republicans are evil. Hey, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what's next. We're gonna have balloons flying over this country
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  Speaker 1: that are taking spy satellite pictures that we're not going
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  Speaker 1: to get shot down. Oh wait, we already had that.
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  Speaker 1: President Trump, speaking this morning before court uh talking about
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  Speaker 1: several different issues, he said that the we call legal
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  Speaker 1: expense a legal expense, we don't call it construction expense.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about his defense and the absurdity of what has
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  Speaker 1: happened here, I want you to listen to more of
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  Speaker 1: what he had to say a moment ago outside the courthouse.
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  Speaker 6: Rick Jar, I mean, I mean, you take a look
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  Speaker 6: at this safe and the fourth way, and there's still
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  Speaker 6: no evidence whatsoever connecting Trump with any criminal wrongdoing, a
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  Speaker 6: crime that's not charged. It's a crime then, in which
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  Speaker 6: prosecutors won't even tell the defender of.
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  Speaker 3: What it is.
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  Speaker 6: I have no idea what they're even doing. We have records,
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  Speaker 6: and they talked about bookkeeping. The only thing doubt in
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: the bookkeeping is that we call a legal expense a
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  Speaker 6: legal expense. We don't want a construction expense. We don't
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: say for a concertinge worm, we don't say for elect
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  Speaker 6: goal warwer.
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  Speaker 8: We paid a lawyer a legal expense, and we have
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  Speaker 8: a legal.
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  Speaker 6: Expense is illegal expense. It's marked out in the book.
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  Speaker 6: Legal expense is perfectly marked out the other side doesn't
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  Speaker 6: know how to handle it, but they say, let's indict
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: him anyway, because.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I love how President Trump is doing
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  Speaker 1: these press conferences beforehand walking out talking to media. It's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the right thing to do. By the way, Annie McCarthy
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: on the Trump trial, as this thing is continuing, here's
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: what he said a moment ago.
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  Speaker 9: Hey, all right, Andy McCarthy, even right in all weekends, now,
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: is your chance, all right to spill what you're thinking
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  Speaker 9: about fraud? Has the state proven well that fraud has
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  Speaker 9: taken place.
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  Speaker 7: No, as Jonathan's pointed out, they haven't come close to
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: proving that fraud has taken place. And it's they don't
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: just have to prove that fraud has taking place. They
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: have to prove that it was fraud that included a
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: specific intent to commit another crime, which we believe is
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: a federal campaign finance crime. It's astonishing that we don't.
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: We can't say that with complete certainty. That's supposed to
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: be spelled out in the indictment. But there's not a
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: scintilla of evidence that Trump was even thinking about federal
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: campaign law, let alone that they conspired to violate it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: And I think it's important to make this distinction. You know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: you can make an agreement, which, as Jonathan just said,
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  Speaker 7: is a legal a rayment to not disclose or to
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: try to bury politically embarrassing information. You could absolutely intend
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: to do that. That doesn't mean that you were even
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  Speaker 7: thinking about the federal campaign finance laws, much less willfully
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  Speaker 7: violating them beyond a reasonable doubt, which is what Bragg
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: has to prove here to get a conviction, at least
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: as a matter of law. Whether they can sway the
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: jury is another matter. And the final thing I would
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: say about this is you can put somebody who is
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  Speaker 7: even a convicted perjurer on the stand, But generally, the
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  Speaker 7: agreement that a prosecutor makes to a jury, in terms
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: of the commitment that you make in the opening statement
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  Speaker 7: and the way you try the case, is that we're
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: not going to ask you to convict on the basis
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: of a perjurer's testimony unless we can show you a
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: document or other testimony or something that corroborates that witness
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  Speaker 7: on this disputed point. To repeat what Jonathan just said
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  Speaker 7: as starkly as I can, they are asking this jury.
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  Speaker 7: They have to ask this jury if they're going to
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: convict on fraud to accept this guy's uncorroborated testimony despite
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: his mountainous credibility problems. That is not something a prosecutor
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: would ordinarily do, which is why I think the prosecutors
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: in my old office, the Southern District of New York
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: decided not to pursue this case.
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  Speaker 1: You listen to the facts there from Andy, and you
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: look at this. I don't think they've come close to
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: this at all, and to making this case. I don't
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: think they've come even close. And Jonathan Turley said one
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: other thing about this when he was asked about it,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and Turley's point I think was really really interesting. He
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: said this about the DA brag and how he's solely
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  Speaker 1: relying on a motivated judge that hates Trump and motivated
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  Speaker 1: jury that ninety percent of them would have voted against
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  Speaker 1: Trump re intrtd.
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  Speaker 8: Because the judge is seated and the jury is being
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: walked into the courtroom now and Jonathan Turley, Any McCarthy,
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  Speaker 8: and Johnna Spillboard join our coverage for the best legal
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: analysis you'll see all day. Jonathan Turley, let me start
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  Speaker 8: with you as Michael Cohen, who is known as a
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: serial perjurer could be the witness we hear from today.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, and his role here is quite telling because
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: the government has yet to establish what are called the
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: elements of any crime in this case, so they're at
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: the end of their witness list and it's now becoming
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  Speaker 4: a parent what the strategy is, and that is the
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Bragg is relying on a motivated judge and a motivated
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  Speaker 4: jury to take him where he needs to go for conviction.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: But before he gets there, he has to be able
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  Speaker 4: to credibly argue that someone, anyone said that there was
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  Speaker 4: direct evidence that Trump not only wanted to keep this
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: silent that's not a crime, but intentionally committed fraud, intentionally
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: wanted this denotation as a legal expense to conceal a crime.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Michael Cohen appears to be the person that he's going
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: to do that. Now you can look at that and say,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: but who would believe someone that, just a few weeks
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  Speaker 4: ago is denounce as a serial perjurer by another judge
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  Speaker 4: And the answer is it doesn't matter because Bragg knows
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  Speaker 4: that Trump can't take the stand after earlier rulings by
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  Speaker 4: the judge in this case. So Cohen's testimony will not
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: be contradicted by Trump. So what Bragg will argue is,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: you may think he's a liar, you may think that
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: he's a bottom feeder, but that's a question of credibility judge,
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  Speaker 4: and so this has to go to the jury. That's
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the strategy.
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  Speaker 1: So there it is. You're hoping that the books are
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  Speaker 1: cooked enough with a liberal jury and one of the
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  Speaker 1: most liberal areas of the country that voted ninety percent
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  Speaker 1: against Trump in the last election. That's why they the
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  Speaker 1: case in Manhattan. That's why the DA went in the
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  Speaker 1: way that he went in all in. That's why he
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: decided to do all of this, was to make it
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  Speaker 1: clear that he could grab a jury that was liberal
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  Speaker 1: enough that they wouldn't really care about the facts. They
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  Speaker 1: would just care about a political prosecution, which has been
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: from the very beginning, a political prosecution, which they can
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: then just go all in and say, hey, you don't
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  Speaker 1: like Trump, you want Trump not to be president again.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Instead of voting against Trump on election day, do something
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: even better, make it where he doesn't even get a
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  Speaker 1: chance to be president of the United States of America.
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  Speaker 1: Convict him, vote against him by convicting him of a
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  Speaker 1: crime that we created out of thin air, and we
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  Speaker 1: got a judge that's in on it, we got a
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  Speaker 1: da that's in on it, and let's go all in.
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