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left with his belt and his girl. Who's fighting,
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like, somebody that everyone was complaining
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about? It's not. Oh, it's Opataya. Oh, that's
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right. He just had his shit announced too. That
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is an absolute stinker. Yeah. I didn't recognize
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the guy's name, but I don't think that's just
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because he's heavy. I think he's just not very
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famous. I've had this stupid cough for a month
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now. It won't go away. I think I might have actually
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caught a pretty bad lung infection when my brother
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was here and just ignored it because my brother
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was here. Oof. Which, not good. No. I convinced
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myself that I had pulled a muscle when I was
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drunk one night, but I think it might have just
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been my lung was hurting. Because this cough
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won't go away. A while ago I had, um, I caught
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bronchitis. out of nowhere i seriously don't
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remember where and that was uh that lasted for
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like a month the shit was not pleasant yeah well
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we're getting into when my allergies get really
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bad because all the cherry trees are going off
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so it's probably not going to get better for
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quite a while the air quality forecast is also
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shit uh sometimes stuff blows over from like
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india and The manufacturing areas over there?
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Yeah. China too, I bet. Yeah. I need more info
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on this one. Teofimo says he's leaving Eddie
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Reynoso. That, I thought, was going to be like
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a powerhouse move for him. Someone that'll keep
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him in check. What were the guys talking about
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this morning? Let me... I didn't see any actual
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evidence of it, but... Keon Davis knocked out
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T .O. Senior? Okay, so Shakira Stevenson tweeted,
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Never in my life could I sit there and watch
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my peer knock my dad out. And not throw a single
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punch. And then somebody else. Was. Yeah. Like
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they're just chatting about it. Anyways. If Tio's
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dad got knocked out. He fucking deserved it.
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Yeah he's not the type. I'd be too upset about.
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Yeah. When you know the boxing dad. They're problematic.
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Usually. Yeah the only good one I've ever seen
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was. Leo Santa Cruz's dad. He was the only one
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who was ever really mellow. I mean, Inouye's
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dad seems pretty chill. Lomachenko's dad's a
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good coach. Yeah, he coaches Usyk too, so you
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know he's good at it. I mean, there's more bad
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ones probably than good ones, but there are a
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couple boxing dads that seem fine. Yeah. Oh,
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you know what? Actually, here, I got what I want
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to be. The first one. Do you have the doc open?
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Yeah. Okay. Inouye's debut, or re -debut, in
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the U .S. vs. Who? Yeah. Ramon Cardenas. He's
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a pro box guy. He's not terrible, but... Come
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on, this is like an all -timer for this generation.
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There's no Americans that have anything for Inouye.
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Like, if they were going to do this, they should
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have done it with Fulton. Yeah, should have.
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Like, now there's nobody for him to fight. There's
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still options. I mean, I... I think the only
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one that still says it, but I think MJ is still
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a good fight to make. Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing
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the MJ fight, but I mean, he's not American.
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True. I don't think MJ is much of a draw in the
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States. I would imagine he's not even a draw
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in Uzbekistan. Just a guess. I don't know that
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MJ would bring in... any more people no so this
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is like this is the same situation that happened
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with inouye the first time is he didn't have
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a solid opponent the opponents were all like
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scattered throughout the rest of the card and
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it ended up being a stinker because the guy just
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came out to like he was seriously on his bike
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from round the first bell all the way to the
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end he was on his bike and in a way it was like
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who did he fight in the states It was Maloney,
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right? He did, but that was during COVID, so...
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Oh, okay. Not quite the same thing. Yeah, I think
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he fought Jason. And he fought in Scotland once,
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too, didn't he? Did he? Yeah, I think so. I might
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be wrong. Yeah, he fought Emmanuel Rodriguez
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in Glasgow. That was part of the Super Series.
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Antonio Neves. I don't... Well, I recognize his
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face. I don't think I know that name. Oh, I recognize
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his face. He's relative. Nobody. His Bach rec
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picture is bad. Yeah, him with a cut on his face.
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Some of them look stupid, but this just looks
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like he had his ass kicked. Yeah, they did him
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dirty with that one. Antonio Nieves, I was at
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that one. And, like, the crowd was very much
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in favor of Inoue. Like, he was apologizing.
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Like, man, I'm really sorry. I tried my best
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to make it exciting, but there's only so much
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I can do by myself without the opponent coming
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to compete. Everybody was completely understanding.
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It was at the they call it Punchbowl in StubHub
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Center. Now it's Dignity Health Sports Park.
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It's like no shit a gladiator arena. Really?
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That sounds awesome. It's really cool. There's
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something about that venue. When people come
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in they they come in like for hungry thirsty
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for blood they want their pound of flesh from
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the opponent it's nice it's wild i don't know
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what that venue does to people that's the one
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where uh brian mendoza upset fundora and he got
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that like leaping fucking knockout yeah yeah
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and he sent the tall man crumbling something
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about stubhub i'm gonna keep calling it stubhub
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because Punchbowl is kind of cheesy. Well, that's
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also just how old people work. Dignity Health
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Sports Park is a mouthful. It is. I hope that
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the card is at least better. With this opponent,
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you're not going to sell just in a way by himself.
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You're going to have to put other... other good
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fights on there put abdullah mason on there uh
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they've already got espinoza listed to fight
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oh it's a double header that's right oh that's
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oh i'm gonna have to try to go to this i mean
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you had to try to go to it anyways i yeah of
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course i was gonna try anyway but now i'm gonna
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double try Oh, Nevada. My American geography
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is not great, but that's like next door to Arizona,
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right? Yeah. It would take me with a man back
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a while ago before COVID. I had a sports car.
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I could get there in like three hours. Now it's
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not very far. It takes me like four. I have a
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small car now. I mean, that's what I used to.
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drive most weekends to visit my parents when
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i went to university four hours there four hours
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back yeah that's that's pretty much what it is
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and it's my i don't know if this is irresponsible
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probably is but i don't like i don't it's a weekend
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turnaround kind of thing like i don't need to
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get a pet sitter to come check in on them like
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my pets are old enough where they regulate their
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own food consumption without me needing to make
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sure they don't overeat or undereat or anything.
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Nice. Yeah, I got big kids now. My dogs were
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always like that. Everybody's like, you don't
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have them on a feeding schedule? Because I'd
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be at the bar and like, fuck it, dog's fine.
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And I was like, no. Why would you put your dog
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on a feeding schedule? Then you have to be home
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at certain points in the day. I had that problem
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when my dog was younger. She's a hound, so they
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just gobble up everything in front of them. And
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she turned into a little sausage that had four
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little sticks, like a little kid drawing an animal
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or something. That's what she looked like. So
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I had to get her on a schedule. She's better
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now. Now that she's older, I can leave her stuff
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out and she'll be fine. No, my dogs get a certain
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amount of food a day. If they eat all of that
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food, then they're hungry. Yep. They figure it
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out. Yeah, she's figured it out too. If I gobble
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it up now, I'm going to be hungry later. Yeah,
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our puppies, when we first got them, they were
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probably starving. It was just like some... some
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guy had accidental puppies is what it was so
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he wasn't particularly feeding them enough or
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anything and when we first got them they ate
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everything like everything and then they'd throw
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up They were only allowed to eat outside, and
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we'd give them their bowl. They'd eat outside.
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They'd eat all their food, and then they'd go
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look for, like, grasshoppers and frogs and things.
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Like, these dogs thought they were starving,
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and then they'd throw up. But after a couple
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weeks, they figured it out. I have a cat that
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I found on the street. Like, I say it all the
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time. I found him under a dumpster behind a restaurant,
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behind a diner. And he's... fat as shit now he
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still eats like he's on the streets yeah even
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though there's always food for him but man tubby
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little bastard speaking of tubby little bastards
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adrian broner loaded fucking dice what the hell
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is he doing i'm i'm trying to find a story on
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this because this is this is just too good i
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know that it's a real thing i saw the headline
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as well but i Well, and I'm pretty sure it's
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a new mugshot. It's not an old mugshot that's
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going around. It is. Because I would recognize
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his old one if I saw it. Well, also, he looks
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old as fuck in this much mugshot. $6 million.
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He ripped off NBA players for $6 million. Damn.
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That's crazy. That is wild. I'm curious how you
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would even get away with that. Well, it must
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have been underground games, right? Of course.
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It was just like, quote -unquote, among friends
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just having fun shooting dice. Like the same
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way people have poker nights or whatever. Well,
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that's the other thing. Who plays dice with friends?
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It's a... How do I... It's a thing. A cultural
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thing? Yeah, it's like a black people thing.
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Playing dice. Wasn't sure how I wanted to put
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that, but I mean, that's what it is. I sure have
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never played dice for money. Well, no, that's
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a lie. For real money with my friend. I played
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poker for a little while. I guess my family does
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have a dice game that we play for money. Kind
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of big quotes on that. It's like a quarter a
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game. But if you decided to put real money on
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it, you could. Yeah, that's how the bingo was
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for us. I was picturing like craps. It's like
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a reduced, a simplified version of craps. Fair
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enough. But I've never played. I've seen people
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play. I've kind of just watched. Like, I don't
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understand what's happening here, but this is
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exciting because I see money moving hands. Yeah,
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yeah. Yeah, so it's fun. Loaded dice. Seriously.
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I've only heard of those. Well, I used to play
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D &D, and I had a friend that made himself a
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set of loaded dice. But he loaded it to be ones.
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Was he, like, purposefully, like, tanking it?
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Yeah, yeah. If he thought it was funny, he would
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pull out these dice and then, like, purposefully
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fuck up bad so the DM had to come up with something.
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Honestly, that is actually pretty cool. That
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is something I would do, 100%. Yeah, it was pretty
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funny. And then I... also suspicious he had one
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that was loaded for like 17. like not a guaranteed
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hit but loaded that he'd usually hit but we never
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proved that one yeah he wouldn't he wouldn't
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confirm that one ever but man broner's like what
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are you doing dog i want to know which nba players
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uh who it's got to be the uh Cleveland Cavaliers.
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He's an Ohio guy, so it's got to be them. Yeah.
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Or I was wondering if just, like, one or two
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retired ones. Maybe. Like, I don't watch NBA.
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I don't either. Like, Charles Barkley or somebody.
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Like, I want to know how famous they were. Yeah.
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These names that I recognize. Yeah, or you like
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playing with the benchers. The subs. Fucking
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Broner. Broner, man. What are you doing? I thought
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he was trying to get his comeback going. Seriously,
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it was... It's a redemption. It would have been
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a redemption story. Like finally taking shit
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seriously. I don't know. Instead, he's out here
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scamming the whole hood. Right. The whole hood
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knows that those weren't loaded dice. He's the
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only he's the other one that I say my old refrain
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of game recognized game. Broner needs to get
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some help. Then it's not help that loaded dice
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is going to give you. Yeah, no. Broner is just
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he needs help. He's always going to be a big
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what -if story. Man, because 135 Broner, before
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he did the jump to fight Marcos Maidana, 135
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Broner was a fucking problem. And no pun intended
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that that was his ring name. He was a problem.
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That guy was... I'm trying to figure out a good
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analogy, a good analog. for him but like super
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fast hands really smart footwork uh counters
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were really sharp he was and his power was excellent
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at 35 and he like lost it moving up pretty boy
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floyd almost yeah pretty boy -esque yeah like
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not Late career Mayweather, but early career
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Mayweather. People compared him to that a lot,
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and then he just fucked it up. Yeah. Yeah, Maidana
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beat more than just his undefeated record off.
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It's too bad. And then he goes out and gets loaded
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dice with a fucking tool. Have you, well, maybe,
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we probably haven't, but he has, like, a record
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label about Billions Records, and he himself
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has put out rap albums. They're not very good.
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But I gave him a shot. No, I have not heard them.
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I doubt it would be my kind of music. Yeah, I
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had to try to support my brother in bipolarness.
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But it was just difficult to listen to. I don't
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know. Maybe I don't get it. That might be what
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it is. I just don't get it. Oh, man. Moving down.
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Man, AJ. Injured. Yeah, I missed the injury.
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What's he injured with? I'm still trying to find
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out. All that I know is that they had been working
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towards the Tyson Fury fight. Because apparently
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the Saudis are interested in putting it on. And
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they were so interested in putting it on, they
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were willing to put it on in the UK. Well, if
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that fight happens, it has to be. It has to be.
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You can't put that shit in Riyadh. Yeah. I wonder
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if this is related to the Jake Paul. Uh, rumors.
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Jake Paul and AJ? Yeah, you didn't hear that?
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No. What? Yeah, there's rumors that Jake Paul
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and AJ are gonna fight. Wow. That is a big money
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fight. That came out, or came out, that started
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like a week ago, and now AJ's injured? Magically.
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I wonder. Yeah. He didn't have anything in the
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pipeline. Like, why would he be feigning the
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injury to pull out of? If he loses to Jake Paul.
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It would be time to, that's time to hang it up.
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Become an influencer or something. Because that
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shit is unacceptable. You're an actual, legit,
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two -time heavyweight champion. And you lose
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to Jake Paul? Time to pack it in, champion. It's
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time to go home. Yeah. So what's Eddie Hearn's
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quote in this Daily Mail article? He needs another
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eight weeks or so on his injury. He had a little
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bit of a setback and he won't be punching for
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about that period of time. Broken hand. So really,
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yeah, it's got to be a hand or a torn bicep,
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right? Yeah. It was a minor setback, but he's
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got to be physically right before he gets into
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training camp. Yeah, no shit. I'm just reading
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the quotes. No, I'm not saying you. No shit,
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Eddie, of course. That's the fucking point of
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camp. You go into it healthy, and then you improve
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from that. I don't know why he would... Well,
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I don't know shit about training, I guess. I
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don't know why he'd be punching anything hard
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enough to break his hand, though. I wonder if
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it's a weightlifting injury. Because AJ looks
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like he likes to lift weights between camps.
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He does do the Olympic -style power cleans and
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that type of stuff. The explosive type of lifting.
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You could tear a bicep doing that pretty easy,
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I think. But yeah, I'm not sure how you would
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break a hand doing that unless you drop a weight
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on yourself. I mean, it could happen. It could.
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It's just difficult. That would be pretty stupid.
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In all my time powerlifting, I dropped a weight.
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It fell and then it landed on my foot after it
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fell and just kind of flopped over. So there's
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that. Broken hands. I guess if you can't stand
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properly, you can't punch properly. It could
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be a foot. It could be anything. It could be
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anything. I'm thinking if he's needing eight
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weeks, it's a broken bone or like a torn ligament.
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Yeah. It's got to be. I don't know why I went
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straight to bicep, but my gut's telling me torn
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bicep. Yeah. He's getting a little older. He
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likes to lift weights. That takes about eight
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weeks. yeah that exactly it's something torn
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and or uh broken bone depending on the location
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like my hands when i broke them took uh six to
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eight weeks so makes sense but god um the other
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other than tyson fury i didn't know jake paul
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was on the table that's pretty fucking cool Yeah,
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AJ said he would fight Jake Paul. Good, good.
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He'll just do the same thing he did to Ngannou.
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Just, like, end the farce. Yeah, it would be
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good. I'm not seeing in this little report I
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got that the top half of his body is injured
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from Eddie Hearn. That's his words. i'm on a
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boxing news here the top half of his body there
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you go i'll give you that it's nothing major
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he's returning to he's been returning to training
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he's not quite ready to turn back to camp eight
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to ten weeks before he can punch properly that's
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it like yeah yeah it's a broken hand there is
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a bicep it's got to be something yes it's a pretty
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serious injury mild moderately serious we'll
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say not career AJ's getting old yeah AJ's uh
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younger than me yeah but he's getting old yes
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I am that's what I mean is that I'm old as shit
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so that was I hadn't watched the NHL for a long
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time and I watched it and I was like how is this
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guy still playing and then I looked closer and
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it's like his son oh he's in the NHL now and
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I was like fuck Like, stab me in the heart, Father
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Kai. Man, stabs in the heart. The TKO. The Dana
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White Saudi Boxing League TKO boxing. The pay
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structure has come out. And it is atrocious.
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Oh, my God, is it atrocious. So let's just, here's
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just the flat numbers. 20 ,000 for unranked fighters
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fighting in a 10 -round bout. 20 ,000. 50 ,000
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for fighters ranked in the bottom of the top
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10. 125 for third and fourth. 375 for a championship
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challenger. And 750 for the champion defending
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his title. These do not sound like big numbers
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to me. This is not boxing standard. Oh, we're
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shaking up the sport. Yeah, you're going to not
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get anybody worth a fuck. My one question is,
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the UFC does pay the trainers and that sort of
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stuff, right? They pay the cutmen. I don't know
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if they pay the trainers directly. I couldn't
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say that. Yeah, I don't watch the UFC, but my
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understanding, and I could be very wrong, somebody
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can correct me, was that they pay the training
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fees and a bunch of those other things and medical
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bills and things, and then the fighter actually
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gets all this money themselves. Oh, even though
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the cost is lower, they're not having to split
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it amongst XYZ. Yeah, like the league pays some
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of the quite a bit of the expenses. They have
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medical staff and stuff on retainer. The only
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way this makes sense at all is if they're doing
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something like that with the boxing, where you
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don't have to pay as much of the out -of -pocket
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things for your team. But this still doesn't
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seem like very much money to me. No. Like 20
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grand? Even if they're buying your equipment
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and your training and stuff, I make fucking 20
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grand in six months. It doesn't seem like very
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much money to go put your health on the line.
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20 grand at the peak of my powers. That's, yeah,
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like two, maybe three months. But that was, like,
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peak time for me. Otherwise, yeah, that's my
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six months, too. This isn't. And these are high
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-level professional athletes. That wasn't supposed
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to be a brag or anything. I don't think making
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$20 ,000 in six months is very impressive. No.
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No. When you're talking about professional fighters,
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like, that is not a lot of money. I expect better.
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And how many 10 round bouts do people really
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like once you're getting up into the 10 rounders,
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you're doing like two or three fights a year
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usually, right? Two or three, like three is probably
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maximum. If you got an early stoppage in one
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of them, perhaps. Max, you're going to make 60
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grand a year. Assuming, assuming that this league
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or whatever they're calling themselves pays for
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fucking everything else. that's not very much
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money that's a very strong like a very generous
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assumption too i highly doubt they're gonna they'll
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have um it's like the ufc like from what i understand
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they're gonna have some of the ufc infrastructure
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on the back end available to them so they'll
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have training facilities they'll have medical
29:38
facilities that they could go to so those things
29:41
are taken care of but like paying your coach
29:43
that's on you i would imagine and other lodging
29:48
housing expenses or logistical expenses that's
29:52
on you and how you arrange that out of how do
29:55
you arrange that out of 20k because like if you're
29:57
getting robert garcia you're paying that man
30:00
a lot of money for his time his time is extremely
30:02
valuable uh yeah this is nonsense like best case
30:09
scenario absolute best case scenario you you're
30:14
making construction worker money like i don't
30:20
know i just i don't see this being a good deal
30:22
for anyone to sign on with these guys no like
30:27
i don't i think we when this first came up when
30:31
we first talked about it it was they're gonna
30:33
get a lot of just kids signing on and they're
30:37
gonna like uh grow them up through this league
30:42
structure and they're not gonna know any better
30:46
Yeah, but they're not going to be in North Korea.
30:53
They're going to talk to other boxers. They're
30:56
going to realize they're getting fucked. Eventually.
31:00
Because of how boxing works and how it works
31:07
with the UFC as well, how it works with the athletic
31:12
commissions, how much they get paid is public
31:13
record. So that's how we know Canelo's getting
31:17
paid $35 million on his guarantee. And then we
31:21
don't know what his splits are, but we know he
31:24
gets a split on pay -per -view and gate. And
31:28
these guys are not going to get that at all.
31:31
Not even a little bit. Not even these $750K for
31:34
a title defense. Canelo defending his title against
31:38
Edgar fucking Berlanga. He made $750K just walking
31:43
to the ring. This is ridiculous. I know that
31:47
Canelo is not a good example because he's like
31:49
the very peak of the sport. But who's a title
31:59
holder that isn't very popular? Espinosa. Yeah.
32:07
He's making more than $750 ,000 a fight. I am
32:12
beyond certain. He's making more than that much.
32:19
Madrimov? Like, what did Madrimov get paid? To
32:22
fight Bud? That's not quite the... Not quite
32:26
the same. Yeah, because the Saudis are... They
32:29
inflate... That's true. Paychecks. The same shit
32:35
that people were complaining about with Al -Hayman.
32:38
Saudis are doing some of the same things. I'm
32:42
not seeing a lot of the same complaints. Curious.
32:47
Yeah. I don't know, man. I think this league's
32:53
just going to fuck over a bunch of kids and then
32:55
disappear. Yeah, they're not going to last. Dana
32:59
White's been trying to get himself into boxing
33:01
for ages. Well, and I don't know anything about
33:05
this either, but the guys on the Pro Box podcast...
33:09
Like Chris Algieri and what's his name? Pauly?
33:13
That one's Pauly, yeah. They've been talking
33:16
about the Muhammad Ali Act and how this structure
33:19
just like is completely illegal. Yeah, actually,
33:24
that's a good point. They keep just going, but,
33:28
you know, Trump can change that and he likes
33:31
Dana White. So they need the government to step
33:37
in and change the laws for this to even be possible.
33:41
Not necessarily. What they need, and which is
33:46
what they're going to get, is they need for the
33:48
law, for the Muhammad Ali Act, to not be enforced.
33:53
Fair enough. Yeah, they don't need a change.
33:55
They just need it to not be enforced. This lines
33:59
up perfectly. Of course he's getting into boxing
34:02
now. Now that somebody is in the White House
34:05
who's not going to enforce the Ali Act. Because
34:08
if anybody tries to bring the case, the case
34:10
will just get sent to a court that is favorable
34:13
to Dana White and Trump. And it won't even be
34:18
heard. I would like to say I don't think that
34:23
would happen, but that could happen. But this
34:28
this structure is just straight up illegal in
34:31
the US right now. If the yeah, if there was some
34:35
just all things taking the political figureheads
34:39
out of the equation. Yes. Illegal. But and I
34:44
don't really understand. Like, I haven't done
34:47
any research into it. This is me kind of summarizing
34:51
what they're saying. But it's because the promoters
34:54
and the managers. can't also be yeah they can't
35:01
be the same person and there's something about
35:02
the league structure as well like you need to
35:07
have a semblance of fighting outside your own
35:13
little group as well i think i didn't really
35:17
understand but if anybody's interested they've
35:20
been talking about it over on the pro box podcast
35:23
thing on youtube for weeks now there's lots of
35:27
information from those two and algeria does a
35:30
podcast with some other guy too and they talked
35:34
about it as well can't remember what that one's
35:37
called or who the guy is is it john boy or something
35:41
that sounds familiar but i don't i don't know
35:45
it's precisely the guy the guy's dad invented
35:52
CompuBox like he started okay yeah anyways him
35:57
and Algieri do a podcast as well I just like
36:00
Chris Algieri he seems intelligent he is he is
36:04
100 absolutely intelligent um yeah I'm gonna
36:08
have to check out the pro box see what they have
36:10
to say like on how and Pauly whatever his other
36:15
faults might be he's actually smarter than i
36:18
thought he was yeah he's actually whatever his
36:21
other faults he's he is not stupid he is not
36:23
a stupid person at all no so i hate him as a
36:28
commentator but on the um on the podcast he's
36:32
actually like he brings up some good points and
36:34
he's not afraid to go against the grain yeah
36:38
and be loud about things yeah that's uh yeah
36:45
like i said despite his myriad of faults, at
36:49
least as I see them anyway. The guy does, when
36:53
it comes to boxing and boxing business, he knows
36:55
what he's talking about. Yeah, and he loves yelling,
36:59
yeah, and if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
37:01
What the fuck are we talking about here? It's
37:04
like his unofficial catchphrase. That sounds
37:06
exactly like something he would say. Yeah. Anyway,
37:10
I highly recommend the Pro Box podcast. I really
37:14
enjoy it. I highly recommend Probox fucking anything.
37:19
Probox is good. Probox? I am pissed. It's not
37:23
on the schedule for us to talk about, but I am
37:26
pissed they moved to the weekend. I am too. God.
37:29
Damn, I'm so upset that they did that. Like,
37:32
why? You had your niche. Yeah. Stay on Wednesday.
37:36
Wednesday night fights was your thing. Yeah.
37:39
People were excited. You weren't competing with
37:42
anything. Get the fuck back on Wednesday. Like,
37:45
when you're on Saturday, there's gonna be bigger
37:48
fights I'm gonna watch, and then I have to come
37:50
back and watch you later. But for me, Thursday
37:53
morning, I just made it so I had, like, a long
37:57
incubation at work where I had to sit at my desk
37:59
for an hour. Oh, woe is me. I just have to stay
38:03
at my desk. Oh, no. Yeah. Hmm. Too bad that there's
38:08
this boxing on Thursday morning. Yeah, it was
38:13
fun. It was the Wednesday night fun. For all
38:18
the quote -unquote hardcore fans, I'd ping the
38:23
hardcore fans like, hey, Pro Box is about to
38:26
start. Let's fucking crack a cold one, man, because
38:29
I don't know what we're about to see, but it's
38:32
going to be fucking wild. Yeah. But on Saturday,
38:36
there's just other shit going on. Exactly. I'm
38:38
not going to ditch. I'm not going to not watch
38:41
Tank Roach so that I can watch Pro Box instead.
38:45
It's not going to happen. I watched Pro Box later.
38:49
Of course. I do too. But it's not as fun. And
38:53
nobody's online to talk shit. It's just not as
38:59
fun. I try to do that sometimes. Go back to Wednesday.
39:02
Yeah, go back to Wednesday. their numbers were
39:06
solid like they would put up they would show
39:08
their numbers sometimes i think they it was an
39:11
advertisement for i'm not for sponsors i think
39:16
it was like like look at the number of like concurrent
39:19
viewers peak viewers that type of stuff yeah
39:23
they were getting like hundreds of thousands
39:25
of people sometimes hundreds of thousands like
39:28
peak concurrent viewers was in the millions like
39:32
one one one two at some time or i think that
39:35
was over the span of all their cards in a month
39:37
but nonetheless that's still a lot of people
39:40
yeah like i don't know man go back to wednesday
39:45
seriously go back to wednesday in your lane yeah
39:47
oh shit thanks for the t up speaking of staying
39:52
in your lane tiofimo lopez leaves Eddie Reynoso.
39:56
What a fucking mistake. I cannot. This is a mistake.
40:02
Yeah, but did Tio Fimo leave Reynoso or did Reynoso
40:06
kick him out? And he's letting him save face.
40:10
Tio's seeming very crazy right now. All right.
40:17
I got some Lopez quotes here. I got news for
40:21
you guys. I won't be trading with them. i .e.
40:24
the Reynoso camp. I was looking forward to leaving
40:27
tomorrow for camp with them. Maybe they don't
40:31
feel I'm focused, which is pretty interesting.
40:33
Could be a lot of things, just time frame. Maybe
40:35
could be promoting. Eddie doesn't really elaborate.
40:41
Didn't elaborate and speak to my father. I don't
40:45
know if I did something wrong or if it was me
40:49
or if they're just focused on themselves. Yeah,
40:54
that sounds like Reynoso choosing not to train
40:59
Tio. And I don't really blame him. Tio's seeming
41:03
really crazy, and so is his father right now.
41:06
Yeah, well, they're trying to promote their next
41:10
card. Yeah, but I wouldn't want to deal with
41:16
that. And to be honest, you could probably deal
41:19
with Tio being crazy, but it's his dad. Nobody
41:22
wants to deal with his dad. I thought this was
41:26
them. I thought that if anybody was going to
41:29
be able to cut Teofimo Sr. out of this, it would
41:34
have been Eddie. And just the quality of that
41:38
camp would have been enough to get him out of
41:42
the driver's seat. I think Eddie probably thought
41:47
he could cut him out as well. And I wouldn't
41:50
be surprised if that was the deciding factor,
41:53
was Tio's dad refusing to be cut. Yeah. I feel
42:03
so bad for Tio. And every time his dad talks
42:06
to him when he's being interviewed and stuff,
42:08
you can just see him get so tense and flustered.
42:14
yeah been saying it he needs to his career was
42:19
i don't know if it's resurgence or what but the
42:22
second wind of what his career is right now is
42:25
gonna start when he ditches his dad and that's
42:29
obviously a lot to ask uh but nonetheless like
42:34
your own success depends on it yeah well i think
42:39
that really is a big part of what holds teo back
42:43
yeah absolutely i suspect if he got away from
42:47
his dad it would help with the crazy just getting
42:50
away from his dad but other people could step
42:53
in and actually get him help with the crazy here
42:57
another quote is it doesn't make sense whatever
43:03
the case may be we love them we appreciate them
43:06
i appreciate having that time with eddie uh from
43:10
that experience a little bit It won't be the
43:13
end of our story with them. They're just on tunnel
43:16
vision right now. We'll see. Am I disappointed
43:21
about it? Yeah, I am, but I take it as competition.
43:25
I don't think they would have put me as the co
43:27
-main to Canelo. I think they would have put
43:30
me underneath Munguia, who is the co -main. He's
43:34
a great fighter, but he's not Teofimo. When you
43:37
refer to yourself in the third person, I... I
43:43
was going to say I'd like to smack you, but you'd
43:45
beat my ass anyway, so let's not do that. Yeah.
43:51
Yeah, I feel really bad for Tio, but those quotes
43:54
really do make it sound like Reynoso decided
43:57
not to train him. Yeah, I think you're right.
44:00
I think you're right. It's unfortunate because
44:02
Tio deserves... He deserves better than his father
44:06
lets him get. Yeah. No, Tio... It doesn't seem
44:13
to me like Tio has a very good life at home.
44:16
No. His family drove him to divorce, and now
44:24
he doesn't get to see his kid. Not very often,
44:26
anyway. Yeah. Nah, I feel bad for Tio. But I
44:33
really don't know what we're going to see. In
44:36
his next fight. I cannot nail it down at all.
44:39
Like, the crazy levels are high enough we might
44:41
get peak T .O., but his opponent is mid enough,
44:46
he might not. I think it's going to be okay.
44:50
Barbosa isn't the best, but I think he's good
44:55
enough. At least good enough to bring the best
44:58
out of Lopez. You think he's better than Cambosis?
45:05
Arnold Barbosa? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's
45:12
not a very high barrier to get over. It's not.
45:16
It's not. Cambo has another fight coming up too,
45:24
doesn't he? How does that man keep getting such
45:26
big fights? It's this weekend. He's fighting
45:30
in Australia against a late replacement. I don't
45:34
remember who the replacement is. Something Wiley?
45:39
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-E. Let me... I want to re -tee. So, being better
47:12
than Cambosos, not a high barrier to get over.
47:15
Speaking of breaking barriers, Alicia Baumgartner
47:18
signs with MVP Most Valuable Promotions. That's
47:22
the Jake Paul one. That's where Amanda Serrano
47:24
is. Jake Paul's getting Serrano. Big fight. This
47:29
is a good move. I know a lot of people like to
47:36
clown on Jake Paul. A lot of people like to shit
47:38
on him because he acts like a jackass in front
47:40
of the camera. I know that. I know he does. But
47:43
my man is taking care of fucking business. He
47:46
gets Serrano paid. He's going to get Baumgartner
47:49
paid. He is a very positive force for boxing.
47:55
This is like what... the type of shit that you
47:57
would hope someone with the clout Dana White
48:00
has, this is what you would hope they would do
48:02
is to elevate women's fights, uh, smaller weight
48:08
classes, elevate those fights. That's what he
48:11
does. That's what Jake Paul does. Um, you can,
48:15
if you disagree with me, fucking eight, three,
48:17
three Lux pots. Tell me why. Tell me why you're
48:21
wrong about Jake Paul. Jake Paul as a promoter
48:27
is good. Yeah. Jake Paul as a fucking circus
48:31
act, I hate. As a personality, yes. He's doing
48:35
exactly what... You are reacting to him one of
48:40
the ways that he wants you to. You either hate
48:43
him, you love him, or you hate him. And I get
48:46
why people hate. I get it. I really, really do.
48:52
Do not misunderstand the guy's fucking annoying
48:54
when he's in the fighter position and he's promoting
48:58
himself. But Serrano and Katie Taylor, they've
49:03
made life -changing money. Better than any of
49:09
that TKO pay structure bullshit. Oh, for sure.
49:15
And now Baumgartner, who is another very, very
49:19
talented woman. super athletic, fucking explosive,
49:24
dynamic. I'm not sure what other buzzwords I
49:27
could use, but she is awesome. I'm really glad
49:31
to see her getting signed to someone who's going
49:33
to give her the attention that she deserves.
49:36
She has a lot of belts right now, right? Yes.
49:40
Baumgartner? I think she's undisputed. Is she
49:42
undisputed? Yeah. Wow, you can't check that on
49:48
BoxRec anymore, can you? You'd have to look up
49:52
WBA separately, but if she has the IBO, it's
49:57
safe to assume she has the WBA as well. She has
50:01
the IBF and then IBO. Oh, so she's not. Oh, yeah.
50:10
She fought Delphine Pursuit in Georgia. They
50:15
had that no contest. I think Delphine got a nasty
50:18
cut. Right. Yeah, I think that was just a head
50:26
clash, wasn't it? It was. It was an accidental.
50:30
The little bit I could see from the replay didn't
50:33
look intentional in any way. I wouldn't expect
50:38
either of those guys to intentionally be throwing
50:40
headbutts. Okay, so she is the IVF. World Superfeather,
50:49
IBO, World Superfeather, WBC, and WBO. Which
50:54
is probably also the WBA. Which one of these
51:01
is not a real belt? IBO. IBO. Okay. Yeah. That's
51:09
the belt that Manny Pacquiao won at 140. Just
51:14
in case you were wondering. Let's see. A quote
51:21
from Bob Gardner while you're looking that up.
51:24
I've always believed in betting on myself and
51:27
signing with MVP is the next big move in that
51:29
journey. MVP has proven their leaders in women's
51:33
boxing, creating the biggest opportunities for
51:36
fighters like me to shine. This partnership is
51:39
a natural fit. Yeah, she's also got the WBA,
51:43
so she's undisputed. Man. No, I think... I think
51:49
MVP might be the best one for the women right
51:53
now. It is. It's got to be. J -Paul is putting
51:56
a lot of effort into getting the women their
51:59
money. Not that the other guys are particularly.
52:03
Is that what I'm hearing? Woke DEI bullshit?
52:07
Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. No, it's fine. It's
52:14
not that the other guys don't, but I think he
52:17
puts more emphasis on it. Because he doesn't
52:19
have any other fighters, I guess. Or many other
52:22
fighters, I should say. Eddie puts good emphasis
52:26
on women as well. Yeah. But not nearly as much
52:30
as MVP. Well, he's just got so many fighters
52:33
to try and promote, too, right? Well, of course.
52:37
Her Majesty, Skye Nicholson. Oh, fuck. She fights
52:42
this weekend, too, doesn't she? She does. On
52:44
the Camboso's card. Her Majesty. Good stuff.
52:53
Well, fucking go me with the segues. Speaking
52:58
of Majesty, Canelo, the undercard with William
53:02
Skull, is announced. We alluded to it when talking
53:08
about Teofimo, and he was thinking he would have
53:11
been third in the line. From the bottom up, I
53:17
was looking at his name. Brian Leone versus Aaron
53:20
Guerrero. I'm going to be honest. I don't know
53:23
who these guys are. I was going to say I don't
53:25
recognize those two. Marco Verde versus Michelle
53:29
Polina. Don't know who that is either. I do know
53:34
who Badu Jack is. Badu Jack versus Ryan Brozicki.
53:41
I cannot believe Badu Jack is still fighting.
53:44
Yeah. He has a belt too, doesn't he? He has the
53:47
interim WBC cruiserweight. So that's pretty cool.
53:52
Moving up, Martin Bakoli versus F .A. Ajagba.
53:57
Now, this was the fight that was already scheduled.
54:02
He took the Joseph Parker fight kind of like
54:05
at a moment's notice. No shit. The money was
54:11
right for him to drop what he was doing and fly
54:13
to Saudi Arabia. So this is the fight that was
54:18
going to happen anyway. Yeah, hopefully Bacoli's
54:22
been training. Yeah. Well, this fight's in, what,
54:26
May, so... Still. He was a fat sack of shit when
54:32
he got knocked out. Man, this to me is the main
54:40
event. Jaime Munguia versus Bruno Sarras, the
54:44
rematch. This to me is the one I want to see.
54:49
I love Munguia, but how fucking great would it
54:53
be for Sarras to ice him again? I would have
54:57
to send flowers to Marseille. I don't know why,
55:03
but here we go. I would be sad. I would be sad.
55:06
But how fucking great would that be? Like, I
55:10
did it once. I'll do it again. Yeah. You want
55:15
to underestimate the French? This is what happens.
55:19
I don't think it's going to happen. I really
55:22
hope Munguia comes and knocks him out. Hopefully.
55:24
But imagine. Yeah. And Canelo versus William
55:32
Skull. Oh, right. Could not care less about this.
55:36
I'm calling him Dinero now. Dinero Alvarez versus
55:39
William Scull. This makes sense, right? Because
55:43
we know that Canelo Crawford is coming down the
55:48
line. So this is reclaiming the IBF belt so that
55:54
he can be undisputed again. Okay. Still doesn't
56:00
make me care. I know. I know. That's the logic
56:04
behind it. It's not very good, but that's the
56:07
logic. Nah, collecting the belts is important,
56:11
but I just, I don't know. I can't be asked to
56:17
care about this fight. CBA. That's a good one.
56:24
What I like is something that Bally said was,
56:29
this is, we're back in an era. Where having the
56:34
belts matter. Yeah. Just because so many people.
56:38
People care. Yeah. So many people are going undisputed.
56:42
Even with Usyk dropping the IBF because, like,
56:48
of course, that happens all the time. They're
56:50
probably the most dropped title of all. But nonetheless.
56:55
They enforce the mandatories quite strictly.
56:59
Yeah. Uh, but it, it matters to have, if you
57:08
have one, one of the major titles, I, I don't
57:13
know how much of a major title I consider the
57:16
WBO to be just because that exists in the top
57:19
rank ecosystem. And that's about it. I think
57:24
the only guy who's gotten away with having it
57:27
outside of that is Usyk. And that's about it.
57:33
yeah i don't i don't follow the belts like that
57:36
i just follow the boxers i like canelo i guess
57:39
as well like if you're enough of a cash cow then
57:42
you don't have to give your belt they let you
57:45
keep it yeah yeah but regardless we're at a time
57:50
where having your belts having belts matters
57:54
like beating the other champions matters even
57:58
if they're not maybe not the best competition,
58:01
like Usyk versus Dubois 2. Maybe not the best,
58:05
but we need to reconsolidate. I think an Usyk
58:11
-Dubois rematch is the best fight he can have
58:13
right now, to be honest. I'm partial to Joseph
58:17
Parker, just because it's a new name. That's
58:20
really it. I guess, but Dubois... the what beating
58:26
aj in the way he beat aj yeah that's that was
58:30
legit better than i am curious and the the um
58:36
controversy in the first fight i think i think
58:40
that rematch is the fight to make yeah all right
58:43
maybe not the best example Although, bringing
58:46
up Joseph Parker, did you see his call -out video?
58:52
Yes, I did. I fucking love Joseph Parker. He
58:56
makes the best videos. Anyone who hasn't seen
59:01
it needs to go find it. Who sings that song?
59:06
It's not Shania Twain. It is Shania Twain. Is
59:09
it Shania Twain? Yeah. Yeah, he called them out
59:12
to You're Still the One by Shania Twain, which
59:16
is not a call -out song. No, but... Shot a Backstreet
59:21
Boys -style music video to it. It's fucking great.
59:25
Love it. On the beaches of New Zealand. Well
59:28
done. Got the homies. Yep. Yeah, the Kiwis seem
59:34
like a... Kiwis and the Maori... Maori? I think
59:39
it is. Seemed like a really fun bunch. Yeah,
59:44
yeah. No, if anybody hasn't seen it needs to
59:47
Google it. It's great. And it's a perfect call
59:50
-out video for Usyk because yelling at him and
59:53
being rude isn't going to work. No. Usyk doesn't
59:56
care. Yeah. But if you make him laugh. Be funny.
1:00:00
Get attention. Yeah. Speaking of getting attention,
1:00:09
Shakur Stevenson trying to get attention by saying
1:00:13
Lomachenko ducked him. I'm not sure. This would
1:00:18
be a good time to call in RGF, the resident Shakur
1:00:23
Stevenson expert. Yeah, there's a few guys. Shakur,
1:00:33
Terrence Crawford. A few others. Yeah. I don't
1:00:41
know. Did he? I don't know. Does it matter? Do
1:00:46
we care? I don't know. Not really. I mean, Loma
1:00:50
was old by the time Shakir started calling him
1:00:55
out anyways. Loma was old by the time he turned
1:00:57
pro. Let's be honest. True. Like, unless you
1:01:02
were calling him out during no Moschenko, nobody
1:01:05
cares, man. He waited until he wasn't scary anymore.
1:01:12
Looking at this article, it's talking to Igis
1:01:17
Klimas. That's Lomachenko's manager. Saying it's
1:01:23
more worthwhile to fight Gervonta Davis over
1:01:27
Shakur Stevenson. Wow. That would be more exciting.
1:01:32
It's the bigger money fight. No kidding. Nobody
1:01:38
likes watching Shakur Stevenson. I doubt even
1:01:42
he likes watching Shakur Stevenson. Actually,
1:01:47
I was in this discussion last night. Somebody
1:01:51
brought up Rigo again. Rigo versus Casamaro.
1:01:56
And they said they legitimately enjoyed watching
1:02:00
that fight live. And I was like, fucking how?
1:02:03
How could you enjoy that? And they were like,
1:02:09
well, Ringo just leans into it so much it's funny.
1:02:13
And I said this on the podcast before, too. What
1:02:15
pisses me off about Shakur so much is that he's
1:02:20
not aware of himself at all. And he keeps saying
1:02:23
he's going to knock people out and he's going
1:02:25
to beat the fuck out of them and all this stuff.
1:02:27
No, you're not. You're never going to do that.
1:02:32
Just be honest about it. Like, I'm going to embarrass
1:02:36
you. I'm going to school you. I'm going to teach
1:02:39
you what real boxing is. I'm going to give you
1:02:42
a 12 -round lesson. So, yeah, strap in, youngster,
1:02:46
because you're going to school. Yeah, like, you're
1:02:49
never going to touch me. Yeah, you're never going
1:02:52
to touch me. I just cut a better promo than Shakur
1:02:54
ever has. There you go. And ever will. Yeah.
1:02:57
Because he's so fucking insecure about how boring
1:03:00
he is. But Rigo, Rigo's like, I don't give a
1:03:04
fuck. I get paid the same no matter how much
1:03:06
people like it. I don't get paid more if I get
1:03:10
punched in the face. Looking at this, going down
1:03:18
further into the Klimas quotes, everybody thinks
1:03:23
Loma is done and out of it. Everybody wants to
1:03:26
fight Loma. I think it's good because if Loma
1:03:29
comes back, that would be a very good fight to
1:03:32
make with Tank. What is Shakur? What is a Shakur
1:03:37
and what is a Tank? Skill and finance. He, Tank,
1:03:44
is a much better fighter in my way and an up
1:03:49
-and -coming fighter. I'm not sure what that
1:03:52
means. In my way. That part I don't get. I think
1:03:56
that's just him having trouble with English.
1:03:59
I think he means, like, in my eyes. Yeah. Oh,
1:04:03
yeah, I see what you mean. Okay. Yeah, he's a
1:04:06
much better fighter in my view, my eyes. Yeah,
1:04:10
okay. I'm not going to take anything away from
1:04:14
Shakur. He's a good fighter, but he's a bumper.
1:04:16
He goes into a shell and runs away. Tank comes
1:04:20
to fight. It's a more interesting fight. It's
1:04:23
a more intriguing fight. yeah yeah uh i agree
1:04:28
hard to argue no notes i think loma's too old
1:04:34
anyways i think loma's done if he comes back
1:04:37
it'll be for tank and that however it ends that'll
1:04:42
be the end of it because it's a huge money fight
1:04:45
yeah fair and that's it i just i i think the
1:04:51
chances of us seeing loma in a in the ring again
1:04:54
in like an actual fight is pretty low i'd put
1:04:57
it at like 15 he he's done yeah he's got his
1:05:06
money he's happy he's got his legacy why come
1:05:10
back and chance ruining it at this stage though
1:05:15
uh going off the the boxing laundry theory isn't
1:05:24
he at a point where all he is is name value and
1:05:28
that's really it like we know he's beyond like
1:05:31
he's past it and it's just really having his
1:05:34
name on your resume and that's really it he's
1:05:37
like selling his name right now yeah but why
1:05:40
why do that uh i don't know money that's it that's
1:05:44
all i could think of is money no one's got enough
1:05:47
money he doesn't need it but tank money is a
1:05:49
lot yeah i guess that's my that's my what the
1:05:55
rationale would be i'm just lazy i have no no
1:06:00
ambition drive to be like super rich uh yeah
1:06:05
if i didn't have to work anymore i just wouldn't
1:06:08
yeah um but that's why i'm not a world famous
1:06:12
boxer so But if I also if I had like enough money
1:06:17
to the point where I don't have to work, there
1:06:19
would be a good portion of that that I would
1:06:22
be spending on like philanthropies like, oh,
1:06:25
what's that? Hungry children. Here's like more
1:06:28
food than you can eat in a fucking month. Enjoy
1:06:30
that. Yeah. Hungry puppies and kittens. Here's
1:06:34
more food than you can eat in one sitting. but
1:06:37
yeah i think i think you're a better person than
1:06:40
me i would be blowing my money on like bullshit
1:06:42
constantly oh not crazy bullshit but like i want
1:06:47
to learn how to be a blacksmith this year and
1:06:50
just hire somebody to come teach me blacksmithing
1:06:52
i would do shit like that too but uh i don't
1:06:59
know maybe yeah maybe it's just different mentalities
1:07:02
but My money can philanther after I'm dead with
1:07:06
whatever's left over. Oh, that's all we got.
1:07:15
Oh, there was one small news thing that I forgot
1:07:18
about until now. Did you see that Triple G got
1:07:23
boxing back in the Olympics? I saw that he was
1:07:26
campaigning for it, and I did see that it...
1:07:31
it is going to stay in the Olympics. Yeah. Which
1:07:35
is good. Yeah, very cool. We've had a lot of
1:07:39
great Olympians coming out. What, MJ? Solid.
1:07:45
I think Madrimov as well. Yeah, I think a lot
1:07:51
of those guys from the smaller countries wouldn't
1:07:53
get a shot without the Olympics. If they didn't
1:07:56
have the medals, yeah, for sure. For sure. And
1:08:00
I actually don't even watch Olympic boxing. I
1:08:04
know Isaac does. But I'm glad it exists. Yeah,
1:08:08
it's good to have... It's a good gauge of...
1:08:13
It helps you set expectations. For some people,
1:08:18
you can set them higher. like Andy Cruz, gold
1:08:22
medalist. So you can set your expectations a
1:08:24
little bit higher and expect a little bit more
1:08:26
out of him. And you're not like, why is he in
1:08:29
a 10 round fight with this like 17, three and
1:08:32
one guy? Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think it gives
1:08:38
young boxers that like more attainable goal.
1:08:43
Yeah. Like a solid. I want to be on the Olympic
1:08:47
team. I want an Olympic gold medal. It's something
1:08:50
to really work towards before you become a professional
1:08:54
and need to work towards like the belts. Like
1:08:57
it's a stepping stone in your career. Stepping
1:09:01
stones are a milestone. Yeah. The stone I was
1:09:03
looking for. Man. I think having them is a good,
1:09:08
a good thing. Although sometimes people stay
1:09:11
too long trying to get a medal. Stay in the amateurs
1:09:14
too long. Or even if they have a gold medal,
1:09:16
they continue fighting in the amateur system.
1:09:19
Like Rigondow. Like Lomachenko. Yeah, you're
1:09:23
like 25 years old beating up teenagers. Congratulations.
1:09:26
You're so talented. But still. I think that's
1:09:35
good for the sport. Absolutely. Being in the
1:09:36
Olympics. Because we don't have like a collegiate
1:09:39
system the same way like NFL or NBA. Or wrestling.
1:09:44
Yeah, even wrestling has it. So that's it. Holy
1:09:52
shit. I'm just going to put the plugs, plug shit
1:09:57
at the end. Be better if you don't fast forward
1:10:00
through it. Maybe just give it a listen. Parting
1:10:06
words. What do you got? What do I got? Oh, fuck.
1:10:11
I actually did my homework this time and I left
1:10:15
the book at work. I was doing podcast stuff at
1:10:17
work because I didn't want to do work. No, I
1:10:26
lost it. I have no idea what I was going to say.
1:10:30
I'm going to be out of town starting on... We're
1:10:34
recording this on Friday. It's currently about
1:10:37
6 .15 in the evening. And I'm going to be leaving
1:10:42
on Sunday. I'm going to be out through most of
1:10:45
the week. So Ultimate FN Casual is going to be
1:10:49
delayed. Hopefully Alex is feeling better. Maybe
1:10:55
we could get some boxing in the way into the
1:10:58
feed. Either way, I'm going to be out, but we'll
1:11:03
be back. I'll be back, and I'm coming at your
1:11:07
fucking eardrums. I'm coming for them. Are you
1:11:11
at least doing something fun? I'm going to...
1:11:15
I don't know how fun this is. It's fun for me.
1:11:19
I'm going to D .C., and I'm going to be lobbying
1:11:23
for military veterans who have been deported
1:11:28
from the U .S. because they weren't citizens.
1:11:32
That sounds important, but maybe not fun. Not
1:11:35
quite as, uh, not fun for anyone hearing me like
1:11:39
describe it, but it's important stuff. Yeah.
1:11:44
Yeah. Very important. Like how the fuck, how,
1:11:48
how are you going to be like, uh, one guy he's
1:11:51
currently in detention. He, he went to Iraq like
1:11:54
two or three times and. Now he's being processed
1:11:58
for deportation. What the fuck is happening?
1:12:02
That doesn't make sense. Yeah, I do not get America's
1:12:08
treatment of their veterans. I've seen a couple
1:12:11
Instagram reels and stuff where Doge has made
1:12:15
so many cuts and it's just veterans crashing
1:12:19
out because they can't get their therapy and
1:12:23
stuff. Yeah. And they don't know how to get their...
1:12:26
their medications renewed and all this sort of
1:12:30
stuff. It makes me really sad. That's me. I don't
1:12:33
know how I'm going to get my medication. Yeah,
1:12:36
that's fucking ridiculous. Especially for a country
1:12:39
that pretends that they care so much about their
1:12:42
military. Yeah. Well, without my medications,
1:12:45
who knows? Maybe I'll spontaneously combust.
1:12:49
I expect that's going to be the result. I hope
1:12:50
not. I would be sad. Oh. Instead of parting words,
1:12:55
I have one more idiocy from the Canadian boycott.
1:13:00
This isn't so much a boycott. More vandalism.
1:13:03
No, no. This is actually my home province being
1:13:06
stupid as fuck. So my home province went conservative.
1:13:10
It has for a while now. And they have decided
1:13:15
that they're not going to allow... the liquor
1:13:20
stores in my home province of Saskatchewan to
1:13:23
sell Coors Light and Budweiser products. But
1:13:27
Coors Light is I think a Molson product now?
1:13:32
It's made in Canada. There's Canadian breweries.
1:13:35
And Budweiser also has Canadian breweries. So
1:13:40
they're fucking over people who work in those
1:13:42
breweries. Like, what the fuck are you doing?
1:13:46
I know we don't like American products and American
1:13:50
companies right now, but, like, that shit's just
1:13:54
made in Canada. I'm pretty sure Coors Light has
1:13:57
a brewery in Saskatchewan. I think Coors is Molson.
1:14:01
That does sound accurate. Yeah, and, like, they're
1:14:06
not pulling Molson because Molson makes Canadian
1:14:08
the beer. Like, this is the worst. what's the
1:14:14
catchphrase thing virtue signaling i've ever
1:14:17
fucking seen this is like god damn scotty moe
1:14:21
get your head out of your ass it's so fucking
1:14:24
stupid this one is stupid the turning shit over
1:14:28
is just kind of funny but this is stupid and
1:14:31
it's stupid people that are gonna fall for it
1:14:35
but i really think it's gonna backfire on him
1:14:37
because like my dad and his buddies they drink
1:14:40
budweiser and I know a ton of people that drink
1:14:45
Budweiser and Coors Light, and you don't take
1:14:49
people's beer away. Like, the farmers have not
1:14:53
gotten on board with this craft beer stuff. I
1:14:57
drink 8 ,000 of the same thing every year. Yeah,
1:15:01
those are exactly the types. What you would imagine
1:15:06
a... more traditional traditionally conservative
1:15:10
like i like my beer i like this this is the one
1:15:14
i like this is the one i drink anything else
1:15:17
i don't like it yeah exactly yeah So I see this
1:15:23
one backfiring. I am waiting for him to reverse
1:15:26
it very quickly, and I'm waiting for a bunch
1:15:29
of farmers to get mad and dump pig shit on his
1:15:31
lawn, because that's one of our favorite protest
1:15:34
things. Wow, pig shit. Just bring a trailer of
1:15:37
pig shit and dump it on your lawn. Let's just
1:15:39
hope that one of those pig farmers isn't Robert
1:15:42
Pickton. I actually went to school with his cousin's
1:15:47
kid. Oh, shit. Yeah. Pickton. Yeah, they were
1:15:55
not close. He was a weirdo. The family didn't
1:15:58
talk to him. Yeah, that's what I learned about
1:16:01
him through my true crime studies. He is not
1:16:05
one of those ones where people said, like, oh,
1:16:07
we never saw it coming. No, it was like, of course
1:16:11
he did. Of course he did. You guys hadn't investigated
1:16:14
him 10 years ago? Yeah, actually, that comes
1:16:18
up in the series that I had listened to about
1:16:21
him. Yeah. But that's enough. If you don't know
1:16:24
who Robert Pickton is, you can call the number
1:16:27
833 -589 -7637. You can text and I'll tell you
1:16:31
exactly who Robert Pickton is. You're not going
1:16:34
to like it. It's going to be very distressing
1:16:37
and it's going to be uncomfortable to read. But
1:16:39
I'll tell you exactly who he is. Otherwise, if
1:16:42
you got anything to say about the Inouye debut
1:16:46
or re -debut in the U .S., Adrian Broner and
1:16:49
his dice, AJ getting injured. The TKO pay structure,
1:16:54
if that's not distressing, I don't know what
1:16:57
would be. Yeah, well, go figure out how it's
1:17:05
illegal right now because I don't really understand.
1:17:10
You go figure it out and explain it to me in
1:17:13
a call. Yeah. Well, there you have it. We'll
1:17:17
catch you next time. We're going boxing before
1:17:21
dark because it's still light out for me and
1:17:24
it's light out for you. 10 a .m., baby. All right.
1:17:27
We'll see you next time. Bye. We interrupt our
1:17:33
program to bring you this important message.
1:17:36
Hi, man. Fucking what an interim. What a solemn
1:17:45
update. God damn. This one kind of surprised
1:17:51
me. Like, I hadn't heard he was sick or anything.
1:17:54
Same. Pretty healthy. So, for the uninitiated,
1:18:00
which, if you're listening to this, chances are
1:18:03
you probably already know. But, nonetheless,
1:18:06
just today, just a few, like, I found out a few
1:18:11
moments ago that George Foreman, the George Foreman,
1:18:15
passed away at his home in Houston. Houston,
1:18:19
Texas. Oh, man. Olympic gold medalist. Holy shit.
1:18:25
I didn't know that part. I knew he was an Olympian,
1:18:28
but I didn't know he won the gold. Of course
1:18:30
he did. Of course he did. Yeah. Man, this one
1:18:35
kind of hurts me. It does. I'm feeling it. I'm
1:18:41
getting all misty up here. Like, man. Thank George.
1:18:48
Man, such a good life story. What a redemption
1:18:52
arc in the second half. Like, going from being
1:18:57
the bad guy, the, like, not gangster, but just,
1:19:05
like, mean, angry person that beat people up
1:19:11
and enjoyed it to... Born again. I got to go
1:19:15
back to fighting so I can pay for all these kids
1:19:18
to have a recreation second chance. Big George,
1:19:24
man. That makes me sad. Maybe next week we need
1:19:33
to come back and do a bit of a memorial one.
1:19:36
Absolutely. Yeah, this is just a little addendum
1:19:41
to Mention that we're aware that this happened.
1:19:48
Man, I'm at a loss for words. I remember playing
1:19:52
his game on Sega Genesis when I was a kid. I
1:19:56
used to play the George Foreman game when I was
1:20:00
stationed, my first duty station. It was in Japan.
1:20:05
And one of the guys had been there for a while.
1:20:07
He had a George Foreman grill. To me, I had seen...
1:20:12
Go on. I got so many George Foreman grills as
1:20:17
graduation presents. I think I got three or four
1:20:20
of them. That's what everybody gave everybody
1:20:24
when I was graduating high school. Yeah, that
1:20:28
was the thing to have in the barracks that we
1:20:33
were at just because a lot of cooking devices
1:20:37
weren't allowed. but George Foreman girls were.
1:20:41
And, yeah, man, I'm broken up here. Like, George
1:20:48
Foreman was, he was, him, he was like the, even
1:20:54
though he was older, nonetheless, it was him
1:20:56
and Mike Tyson. That, to me, was heavyweight
1:21:00
boxing. Yeah. Well, and George Foreman was just
1:21:05
so good in interviews and such a funny guy. yeah
1:21:09
like when he was making his comeback there's
1:21:13
an interview and i've watched this particular
1:21:15
interview quite a few times because it's hilarious
1:21:17
and i forget which late night show it was but
1:21:21
they asked him who hit the hardest and i think
1:21:24
he says joe frazier and the guy's like not ernie
1:21:28
shavers because that's who everybody says and
1:21:32
big george was like Oh, I never fought Ernie
1:21:34
Shavers, and I thank the Lord I didn't. Yeah,
1:21:41
I wouldn't want to either. Man, Big George is
1:21:46
gone. That makes me so sad. It is. And him on
1:21:49
HBO as the color commentator. Yeah. So good.
1:21:54
What was the guy that was on with Lampley and
1:21:57
him? Oh. I know who you're talking about, and
1:22:02
I can't think of the other guy's name either.
1:22:03
The guy that sets up Floyd Mayweather, he said,
1:22:04
if I was 50 years younger, I'd kick your ass.
1:22:07
I'm going to look this up. Yeah, I'm trying.
1:22:11
I don't even know what the, I guess just HBO
1:22:16
Boxing. Yeah. Was it? It wasn't Letterman. No,
1:22:20
it wasn't Letterman. No, he did the scorecards.
1:22:24
Yeah. Larry Merchant. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.
1:22:30
He's just another central figure of the glory
1:22:33
days. Seeing the old legends. Big George was
1:22:38
the last one kind of from that era, wasn't he?
1:22:42
I think so. Like, Emanuel Stewart passed on.
1:22:46
I think him, Jim Lampley is all that's really
1:22:49
left. Well, I was thinking, like, boxers. Oh,
1:22:53
right. Yeah. I think you're right. Heavyweight
1:22:57
boxing from, what was that, the 70s? 70s, yes.
1:23:01
80s? I think George was the last one. Man, yeah.
1:23:07
Well, we definitely have to give him his due
1:23:11
time. Yeah, I'm going to go do some actual research,
1:23:16
get some actual quotes instead of me trying to
1:23:19
remember them. Yeah. yeah just an addendum a
1:23:23
quick addendum to add on to the end but fucking
1:23:27
hope is hope uh i don't know best wishes to his
1:23:32
family i hope they're all doing i mean as good
1:23:35
as they can be all things considered yeah man
1:23:40
this probably for his family it didn't but for
1:23:45
me this came out of nowhere that was same I was
1:23:49
surprised Alex brought it up in the middle of
1:23:52
just... I was talking to Isaac about something
1:23:55
just completely unrelated, and Alex came in and
1:23:59
mentioned it. I was like, God damn, are you messing
1:24:02
with me? Don't mess with me with this. This isn't
1:24:06
funny. Yeah. Fuck. Anyway. Yeah. I guess there's
1:24:12
not much else to say other than... Not for the
1:24:15
moment. Rest in peace. Yeah. Best wishes to the
1:24:18
Foreman family. Yeah, we'll give Big George his
1:24:23
time next time we get together. Yeah. Welcome
1:24:36
to the fucking show. All right, just a quick
1:24:38
blurb just so you can get back to what you were
1:24:40
doing. Why would a boxing... Let's assume they're
1:24:48
like a purist or some shit. Why would they want
1:24:51
to watch MMA? Why would they want to listen to
1:24:54
an MMA show? I'm going to come at this from sort
1:24:57
of like a primal level. So I will admit there
1:25:01
are like some very like unique and like stark
1:25:05
differences between MMA and boxing. And it seems
1:25:08
like one of the main things that keeps boxing
1:25:11
fans away from MMA is the grappling aspect. and
1:25:15
yes sometimes it can be you know a lay and pray
1:25:18
uh type of fight and it can get old but man like
1:25:24
it's just instinctual man some of these people
1:25:27
the way they find an mma is just brutal and i
1:25:31
feel like that's what it comes down to when it
1:25:32
comes to being a combat fan a combat sports fan
1:25:34
um i mean we started just recently uh mauricio
1:25:40
uh rufy versus Bobby Green spinning back or spinning
1:25:45
a wheel kick. Man, it's I mean, they went viral
1:25:50
and it's something that everyone can appreciate,
1:25:52
even boxing fans. I know if you have a few friends
1:25:56
that are boxing fans who I sent him that clip.
1:26:00
I mean, and they they were amazed and that, you
1:26:03
know, they won't even tell me that they wish
1:26:05
they would have seen it live because seeing seeing
1:26:08
that that type of stuff live just elicits like.
1:26:12
a euphoric feeling that you know you can't get
1:26:15
i mean it happens in boxing too whenever you
1:26:16
see like an amazing fight but i i just gotta
1:26:19
say like in mma you you get those type of fights
1:26:24
as well just in a different type it's different
1:26:27
but sort of the same it's it's sort of it's sort
1:26:30
of weird how i describe it but it's different
1:26:32
but the same it comes down to that same like
1:26:34
carnal or primal instinct of just like fights
1:26:38
yeah i i always think like the biggest the easiest
1:26:43
transition that i always recommend i say this
1:26:46
all the time on ultimate casuals is if you're
1:26:51
if you're not too keen on the grappling muay
1:26:54
thai and kickboxing are exactly where you want
1:26:58
to start like you start working on the kicks
1:27:00
the elbows the knees that's all that stuff And
1:27:04
you can come to learn to appreciate grappling.
1:27:08
I never thought I would. And here I am. Yeah.
1:27:12
Like I said, some of it is very boring. Some
1:27:14
of the grappling. It depends on the fighters.
1:27:16
But sometimes, man. There's boring boxing fights
1:27:19
all the time. Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, you're true.
1:27:22
I mean, you're right. But man, some of these
1:27:24
grapplers, man. These scrambles that they do.
1:27:27
It is like pretty crazy just to see it. Like,
1:27:31
you know, rolling around the floor. I mean, you
1:27:32
can see. The stuff that they're doing in between.
1:27:34
And the scrambles. I mean it's sort of crazy.
1:27:36
Flipping someone over. The trips. I mean it's.
1:27:39
It can be fun. But yeah you're right. The easiest
1:27:41
transition is definitely. Start out with Muay
1:27:43
Thai. Kickboxing. And you know slowly. Work your
1:27:46
way into MMA. And you know. This is the thing
1:27:49
about. The ultimate fucking casuals. We will
1:27:53
let you know which fights are going to be good.
1:27:56
Which ones you know. If you're not too in tune
1:27:58
with the grappling. We can get maybe. A little
1:28:02
tag or a little asterisk on certain fights saying,
1:28:06
like, this is a boxing purist type of fight.
1:28:09
Yeah. You can watch this and enjoy this. Like,
1:28:12
we'll let you know. Yeah, we always try. Like,
1:28:16
I came into this. The whole show was started
1:28:18
with me. I didn't know shit about MMA. I'd never
1:28:21
really seen an MMA fight in its entirety in my
1:28:24
entire life. And I came into this with nothing.
1:28:27
And yeah, that's where we're at now is like we're
1:28:30
talking like I make sure I go out of my way to
1:28:33
bring up Muay Thai and bring up kickboxing so
1:28:36
that people know like this for boxing fans to
1:28:40
know. This is what this is where you can start.
1:28:44
All right. Well, yeah, that was about it. I really
1:28:48
appreciate your time. Thanks, Isaac, for jumping
1:28:51
on real quick. Thanks for having me on. All right.