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2 Maccabees Chapter 12: Bible Study by Atheists · Sacrilegious Discourse - Bible Study for Atheists

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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been wife.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what we're doing today?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, last time we did this, we were doing macabees chapter 11.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And in that episode, we had the macabees.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They were, they were, they were they were getting rid of the fight, uh, like, it was a vice-es, vice-es, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And vice-es have like 80,000 dudes that were fighting against
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was like 6,000 Jews.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was something like that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A huge disparity.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So the Jewish people like prayed a lot and then they went in the battle.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then Zeus came down again.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The God cavalry came in and apparently killed like 11,000 of the 80,000 of them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the 69,000 just turned around a ran away.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Zeus and crew, that's a good name for a book.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, juicing crew.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't quite understand why 69,000 people ran away from 6,000, but 14 to the Bible.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And crew.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is what happened.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you saw juicing crew throwing fucking lightning bolts would you and and if you were like on the opposite side of him would you not turn around be like, no, I'm out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if I believe that that was the case, I guess.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If that happened, if you were standing there and Zeus and crew came down and was looking right at you and all your team and was like, I'm about to throw some lightning bolts right at you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you knew that it was Zeus.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Would you not be like, oh fuck me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it was just more like, they lost too many people and they're like, you know what fuck this shit?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not emotionally invested.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't care that much about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I can get penis out of this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get out of here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was Second Macme's chapter 11.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck life.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Which means that today we're doing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Macadudos chapter 12.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You ready to do this?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we are hopping into second macadudos chapter twale.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And that means that after this there's only three more macadudos to go, which is very exciting because we want to get them with this and finish up all the macadudos special episodes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So we get the new test?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to start me some Matthew.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to hop right on Matthew.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, also we didn't mention this in the intro, but we're live tonight on Discord.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we are.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We are.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If you aren't here, you should join us the next time on Tuesdays at 10 p.m. Eastern in discord in discord.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, links in the show notes links in the show notes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know why I just made one of you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to be mean.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you deserved it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I probably did.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You definitely did.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready for this?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready to see what happened to Zeus's team.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So when this agreement.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, remember they had they had all those letters.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He wrote them and then Rome wrote on them and Rome was like, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We would like to put in our bid for whoever's winning over that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we we also agree.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So when this agreement have been made, Lyceus departed to the king and the Jews went about their farming.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: As you do when the king fucks off,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, you know, you'll farm.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You go farm.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you go back to your own business.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But not much else to do back.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They haven't Netflix.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me think of that for them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They were, they led such shallow boring lives.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But some of the governors of districts, Timothyus and Appalonius, the son of Gennayus, and also Heronamus and Demethon, and beside them, Nick and I were the governor of Cyprus.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember Nick and I were.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All of them guys, not allow the Jews to enjoy tranquility and living peace.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Man, you know, it was all those salaised guys.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can't ever enjoy your farming.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to, they're, they're, they're spasmals that won't let you farm.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're like, I know they said that you get to be Jewish over there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But guess what?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want you to be Jewish over there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: men of japa perpetrated this great impiety they invited the Jews who lived among them to go with their wives and children on no into the boats which they provided as they had no ill will toward them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This sounds bad.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This feels bad.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this just said no, it will.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I know, but it said they invited their wives and children and I'm like, oh, this is going to be bad.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When the Jews were lying on the public vote of the city, accepted the invitation as men desiring to live in peace and suspecting nothing, they took them out to see and drowned not less than 200 of them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I told you, as soon as they said they invited them on the boat, I was like, this is going to go bad.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They rounded women and children.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, they didn't drown did anybody drown.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: the a drowned.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Women in children.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's not right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's terrible.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When Judas heard of the cruelty done to his fellow countrymen giving command to the men that were with him and calling upon God the righteous judge, he came against the murderers of his
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  [SPEAKER_00]: burned the boats and put to the sword those who had fled there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He was like drowning women and children.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that cool man.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'll fight you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I'd say that's a good reason.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd go down here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they must have had some, like why would you just send your women and children out on a boat with random people?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why they're weird.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do a party.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Just for women and children.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, it'll be fine.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It does, but it seems like a bad plan to begin with.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's nothing like unless they're plant like if the if the if the option was hey we're going to fight you but we're going to save your women and children by taking them over here I guess maybe that would be an option maybe but it's kind of a weird thing that they didn't suspect a thing which is why it's weird to me like why wouldn't you suspect that's really why would you just send your women and children on a boat with people.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: because it said that they suspected nothing I guess they're like what the war's over they said there's no more war now we're friends now we get to be Jewish at you now it's fine it's fine and they were like yeah let's let's go party over there on the boat here women and children first and yeah we'll turn on women and children music
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  [SPEAKER_00]: there's clowns and face painting like there's a whole circus over there it's so fun get on the boot everybody know just the women and children not you your man get off get off that boat still sounds like a bad plan I know I don't care for it but when the town gates were closed he withdrew intending to come again to root out the whole community of the men of japa
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  [SPEAKER_00]: but learning that the men of Jamia intended to do the same thing to the Jews who lived among them, he attacked the Jamnites at night and set fire to the harbor but not the rain.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Damn those Jamnites.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: you were waiting so hard to say that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That was, what?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So they set fire to the harbor, but not the rain, together with the fleet so that the glare of the light was seen at Jerusalem, 240 furlongs distant.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Furlongs.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Furlongs.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What was that?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a measurement that we did the other day.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, that was medias.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's Sadia.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Sadia.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sadia.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sadia.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: How many furlongs are in a Sadia?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've heard of furlongs at least.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard of it, but I don't know what the fuck it is.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the only state I've heard of is stadium.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So one furlong apparently is 220 yards.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but how does that?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's almost a state, that's a state.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a state, because that's about the same.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost the same as a state yet.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost 40, 40 furlongs is one state.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the stage shorter, but like a state yet is about 600 yards, no, it's 600 feet, I can't remember.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So do the measurement and ask how many, how do for a longs relate to Stadia's?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I need to know these things is very important.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And what do they keep switching back and fucking forth?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so for a long is 220 yards, 660 feet.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And a Stadia is generally 660 feet.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I already forgot the first number.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So which one is bigger and by how much?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The furlong is bigger than a stadium by about 23 feet.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: 23 to 30 feet.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so a furlong is bigger.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure why we needed two different measurements that's almost the exact same position.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because the furlong is bigger.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What would you say is stadium and a third?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's 27 extra feet like after you're at your 600 feet.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who gives a shed will clearly It matters.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: They wrote this shit down and Matt is in it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to get it correct They wanted to get it correct.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was 240 for long.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like seeing Hokum They had a hundred pennies instead of a dollar because a dollar is easier to see than what Fuck a for long.
• 9:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: What about any for long?
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know who Eddie for long is?
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know who he is.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was in Terminator 2.
• 10:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's fantastic for him.
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just letting you know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He is Sarah Connor's son.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's important.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you should know that in the age of AI.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, when they had drawn off nine furlongs from there, as they marched against Timothyus and Army of Arabians attacked him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A Arabian, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The Arabians come from.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Were they a Arabian night?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because Arabian night is about like day and night, not like fighting Jedi nights.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I got that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: OK, an army of Arabians attacked him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No fewer than 5,000 infantry and 500 cavalry.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And when a hard battle had been fought in Judas and his company, one of the help of God had good success.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The nomads being overcome implored Judas to grant them friendship.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: you're you're fucking a suck can movie friends now just be friends can we still be friends promising to give him livestock you can totally take all my cows and to help his people in all other ways
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not certain that's what they meant, what you were hinting.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you're saying.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I just read the words.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Was it the tone?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Did the tone imply something?
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That tone did imply something, yeah.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's what they wanted you to think.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's what you wanted those to think.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I bet what else is their besides fundamentals and sex?
• 11:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: War.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they're fighting fucking, they're fucking fighting people.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know, so he's going to promise to give him livestock and to help his people in all other ways.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like the fight against the other people that are fighting them or food.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is my stock.
• 11:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you, if you just got crushed by somebody, wouldn't you give them whatever the fuck they wanted?
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sex.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you laughing at me?
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, a new Britney Spears song.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, no.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So Judas, thinking that they would indeed be profitable and many things, agreed to live in peace with them, and receiving pledges of friendship, they departed to their tents.
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He also attacked a certain city.
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: A certain, not, not just having a specific city, but a certain city.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, ink, ink, yeah.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: He attacked a quote unquote a certain city, strong and benched with earthworks and walls, and inhabited by a mixed multitude of various nations.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was named Caspin.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the certain city.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
• 12:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why it was.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't they just say Caspin?
• 12:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, Lee, I need to know, what's up with Caspin?
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Those who were within trusting in the strength of the walls and the store of provisions behaved themselves rudely.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to say.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been for being rude.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Toward Judas, they bounced at the table and vaulted in the living room.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: How dare.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you were really reading that.
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to find.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it was so good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: My, my, um, anyway, uh, they behaved themselves really toward Judas and those who were with him railing and furthermore blaspheming.
• 13:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: My better railing.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And speak.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did not see that coming.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for the more blasphemy than speaking in Pius 1.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Sto's fucking Pius words.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: God damn it, mother fuck!
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Piss shit, hell damn!
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But Judas and his company calling upon the great sovereign of the world, capital S, who, without rams and cunning engines of war, pulled down Jericho in the times of Joshua, remember that God?
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they used horns, remember?
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Rushed wildly against the wall, having taken the city by the will of God, they made unspeakable slaughter.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uns, wow.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I can't even speak of it.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: They rush flyled the, like, pages of the days, use their heads to knock down the wall of this time or do they use horns again?
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So much that the adjoining lake, which was too far along the broad.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: The fuck is all these different, and like these measurements.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A peer to be killed with the deluge of blood.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, yeah.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of cool aid.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they did use their heads snocked on the wall.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: When they had gone 750 furloughs from there, they made their way to Chorax to the Jews that are called... Is that a Pokemon?
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: To be any.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Chorax.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: That does sound like... That sounds like a polar bear.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's Chorza, right?
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like that, yeah.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think that's what it's called.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know all my Pokemons, but I know that one.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have not a big Pokemon person, but I know it sounded like a Pokemon name.
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know more than Hillary, and I know you don't say Pokemons go to the polls.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: The right.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Hillary.
• 15:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stop it.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stop it.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stop it, grandma.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's not okay, grandma.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, from there, they made their way to Charax to the Jews that are called to be any.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: The to be any Jews.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go visit them for a bit.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 16:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Onti.
• 16:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Onti to be any Jew lady over there.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 16:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't find Timothy is in that district for he had by then departed from the district without accomplishing anything.
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: He took off, but had left behind a very strong garrison in one place.
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But does it theus and the cipatars?
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck ton of names in this job.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's too many.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm already lost.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the cipatars and cipatars, those sound like Greek names.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think these are solicit guys.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: who were captains under macabees.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was wrong.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're wrong.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was wrong.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was if I don't mind admitting I was wrong.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Went out and destroyed those who had been left by Timothyus in the stronghold more than 10,000 men.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: these two guys they surely had they were leaders of people who went out and destroyed well yeah it wasn't just those two guys I was like I mean okay look I have seen the matrix where like neocon take down like I don't know 50 dudes or what the fuck ever but even that's ridiculous and I'm not buying that these two guys just because they were
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not buying it, you know?
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a lot of historical accounts that say that these stories are sure just opinion on how, how it happened is the other, like the fight.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It definitely embellished a lot of things in here.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm betting that the numbers aren't maybe exactly right.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And things like that, but you know, whatever.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Macabees arranging his own army and divisions set these two over the bands and marched in haste.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess if they just, you know, killed several thousands.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Alone.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And marched in haste against Timothyus.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, oh, I just got done fighting.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can I take a break for a minute?
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's my breath.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so they marched in haste against Matthias, who had with him 120,000 infantry and 2,500 cavalry.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Holy shit.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of people.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: When Timothy is heard of the approach of Judas, I bet he ate his hat and was like, why don't we?
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: 120,000 people, I know Judas didn't have that many people.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like, I feel like that's a pretty massive army.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're pretty good about my chances at that point.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Timothy is his like, what the fuck?
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: He heard of the approach of Judas.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He at once sent away the women and the children with the baggage into the fortress called Carnion.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: For the place was hard to be siege and difficult to access by reason of the narrowness of the approaches on all sides.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: when the band of Judas, the one with the several thousands who had led the first division appeared in sight, and when terror and fear came upon the enemy, because the manifestation of him who sees all things came upon them, they fled in every direction all poor Timothyus, his dudes was 120, the one, no, you have the numbers backwards.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Timothyus is the Greek guy.
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: he doesn't have the numbers I think you might be wrong there okay let's go back yeah I don't know you're right you're right you're right no no no okay wait to see you said no you're right you're right I apologize so okay Timothy has had all the guys yeah okay I was reading that wrong I was wrong you were right all right um but they didn't seem very emotionally invested because they were like I guess they got to zoom
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's no look.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just kind of done talking about this huge army that Lacey's brought that was 80,000 people.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now all of a sudden everything was unkeedory except for like some people drowned some women and children in a boat.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now all of a sudden there's 120,000 people fighting against macabees.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I call bullshit.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like what the fuck is this?
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Where are the people come from?
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they came from the city.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess, but where were they when the other people were fighting them?
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they were waiting in the background for the next chapter.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like a bunch of shit to me.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: They fled in every direction, carried this way and that so that they were often injured by their own men and pierced with the points of their own swords.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Friendly fire friendly fire out she just stopped myself.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god this reminds me of the story that my my dad's That my paternal grandfather used to tell all the time he every time we got together He would tell this story and it never ceased to crack him up and his own laughter at this story Made the rest of it slap the stories in that funny
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But his enjoyment of it was hilarious.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: He would tell the story about the time when he was in high school.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he was on the football team.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they were playing football.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there was this huge fumble.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so everybody...
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Huge fumble.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Huge fumble.
• 21:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was huge because like everybody was jumping on into this big dog pile and it was like a big huddle Yeah, what's it called when everybody's on the on the ball pile up a pile up.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was huge pile up and and so he He is at the bottom of this huge dog pile.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the word dog pile.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: and he sees somebody's rear end right in front of him and to get out from under everybody, he just decided he's gonna take a big ol' bite out of that rear and he opens his mouth and he reaches out.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow, wow, he bit his own butt.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you want?
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was his own butt.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, fucking anybody's own butt.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the funny part.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, you don't understand.
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: My grandfather found so much joy in telling this story.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It cracked him up.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: He thought it was the funniest thing.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would have thought it was funny.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it'd be funny or if I would have been somebody else's butt, he bet.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was his own butt.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: He bit his own butt.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to fuck that dope out.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was one fucked up, that was the point.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, we were so tangled up.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: He bit his own butt.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's what's happening here.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: These fucks are stabbing themselves.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have to say it like an old man, you know, imagine a, you know, really, really old man and they have to breathe between words and, you know, like we're talking about like, he's in his 80s or 90s and so he's like,
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, like that's how we told it, you know.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hilarious.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's hilarious.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not the story.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: To be clear.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want anybody walking away from this thinking that I think that that story is funny.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: The story is not funny.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: My grandfather telling it was funny.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're missing the party.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's just an old man telling an old man story.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, okay.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he thought it was funny.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the funny part.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got it.
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got it.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Judas continued the pursuit more vigorously putting the wicked wutches to the sword and he destroyed as many as 30,000 men.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, wow.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: They should have said single-handedly at the very end of right.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: He might as well, yeah.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that word isn't there.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just added it because might as well.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Timothy is himself falling in with the company of Dossethias and Cicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicic
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, stop staring at me like I'm problematic.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know I have problems anyways.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, Timothy is he's with these guys, implored them with much crafty guy to let him go with his life because he had in his power, the parents of many of them and the kindred of some.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, let me go because, by the way, I could have some of y'all's families killed.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: otherwise he said little regard will be shown to these.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So when he had with many words confirmed the agreement to restore them without harm, they let him go that they might save their Kindred.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, this chapter is really confusing me because I thought we just got done with a bunch of agreements that were like, we're gonna leave you alone.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what the Bible is.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then some of them, and some fuckers, they went out and drowned some Jewish people, and then Macbee's goes in and kills those people, and then now we're again with somebody slightly different, but they've got more people.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really fucking confused.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same story over and over again.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're saying 120,000
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they just killed 30 like the numbers are really fucking stupid.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just ignore the numbers.
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like that war again is all you need to know.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like they had fucking spaghetti and the numbers written on a wall and they just chose different numbers.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, you know what?
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's not call it a stadium.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's call it a furlong.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, well, let's just make this make no fucking sense in the context of everything else we've just written before this.
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And just see how it goes.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you don't understand the Bible.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then Judas marching against Carnion and the Temple of Adergatus killed 25,000 people.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alligators.
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Adergatus.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: 25,000 dead after he had put these to flight and destroyed them, he marched against Efron also, a strong city.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, okay.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: wearing were multitudes of people of all nations.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't we just agree not to fight any more a second ago?
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Doll wore young men placed on the walls made of vigorous defense.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ignoring you.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: There were great stores of war engines and darts there.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fucking darts.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, are we talking like,
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Darts like we go through darts like when we go to my parents house like y'all That would that wouldn't be effective.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about those yard darts.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're probably talking about like you know like the those giant like You know are those those arrow contraptions of a war thing and if they've got like giant darts Like yard darts Really big luck yard yard dirt.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I never really like size of a human yard darts probably
• 27:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see yard darts.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were already out of commission and done once a month.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: My grandparents had yard darts.
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe you.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we played with them and I was younger.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe you.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was fun.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I bet you and your brother threw them at each other.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, we've tried to throw them in the ring.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, the only thing we did stupid when we were there, they also had bows and arrows.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we shot them straight up in the air.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank God.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we would run.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: your brother so fucking violent you two are the reason that the Bible exists swear to God you guys are the whole reason because y'all are so violent it wasn't why we just wanted to see how close we get it to come down to where we shot it up so we shoot them up and then we would like run for cover under the barn and then
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so stupid, and it all threw knives and compasses at each other when you fought, you guys were so fucking violent.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't as bad as you did.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like that.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like that.
• 28:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sounded really bad, but I mean, it was.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did your brother did he not throw a compass at you?
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have you guys not been fighting with knives and chips?
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of.
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, y'all are violent little turns.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised that your mom didn't just like tie you both up in the basement and just Yeah, only feed you and then Of course, swooping from the top of the stairs
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: calling upon the sovereign capital S who with might shatters the strength of the enemy they took the city into their hands and killed as many as fill in the blank numbers here it says twenty five thousand twenty five second twenty five thousand twenty five thousand there just twenty thousand was it the fucking place those who were in it
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: From now on with numbers, I'm just going to safely win the blank number.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: These are fairly, like 25,000 people, right?
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fairly decent sized town, you know, like a minute walk in a kilo of 25,000 fucking, this is, this is the Jews, right?
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Jews are walking in a killing people.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: 25,000 people at a time.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine if anybody, like, the numbers are absurd.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is absurd.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a lot of fucking people.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, guess it is.
• 29:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sitting out from there.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is a long chapter and it's all numbers and there's a lot.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel about numbers and you know how many before you go numb How many 25,000 people does it take to go numb too many looks to the center of a lot Look, I just keep thinking of and the people vote and prayed to the neon god they made
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, there's 10,000 people, maybe more, you know, the words of the prophets are written on the subject.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Simon Garfunkel, right?
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was read on by, I want to say disturbed, and I did love that version, normally I don't love a good remake.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be so good.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like they've got to bring something to it.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: They really brought a motion to that song.
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really makes me sad that no one's ever covered Kootah from, like, Ball Simon.
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really want you to kiss my ass and never talk about Paul Simon.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know how I feel about Paul Simon.
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we have this discussion every time Simon and Garfunkel comes up.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Paul Simon's so much better.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, Simon and Garfunkel is an entirely different random music.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, listen.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Although Code of Chrome is definitely a David song.
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't with that guy, I don't, I don't like his folksy shit.
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like, I won't talk, I can't.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like Simon and Garfunkel is folksy.
• 30:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, Simon and Garfunkel is a different type of music than Paul Simon.
• 30:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the same type.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: You would not play them both in the same playlist.
• 31:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're different genres of music.
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Play them in the same playlist.
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you shouldn't, they're not.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I disagree.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm vehemently disagreeing.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: They are not the same type of music.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't belong together.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I disagree.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can disagree, but you're wrong.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't feel like I am.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not a feelings thing.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: They literally are filed under different genres of music.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to show me that.
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will show you how.
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't agree.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you're right.
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am right, though.
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll cover this in the Q&A.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: We will, because no, Simon and Garfunkel is not the same genre of music as Paul Simon.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And what genre of music is Paul Simon and what what is Simon and Garth from Cole look I'll have you back to you there different genres and they don't belong together and I can just I can tell you that much okay they don't belong together.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not okay what you're doing.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 31:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I was talking about remakes and how disturbed I believe is the one that redid the sound of silence and they did a really great job of it.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the few times that I really appreciate a cover of a song.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Another one that I will approve of is land slide, which the band formerly known as the Dixie chicks.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: They covered that song that was originally done by Stevie Next.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, was this TV nicks or Fleetwood Mac?
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was Stevie Nicks.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was somebody either Fleetwood Mac or Stevie Nicks.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well Fleetwood Mac.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And anyway, that one also is a cover that I highly, highly, highly approve of.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so no, it's good.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to bring something good to it when you when you cover a song that powerful, you know, okay.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 32:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, back to the numbers.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Bible.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 25,000.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Another 25,000 dead.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sitting out from there, wherever there is somewhere where they come up to cities.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Lots of cities.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: They marched and haste against scytheries.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I bet 25,000 people died there, too.
• 33:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is 600 furlongs away from your slums.
• 33:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when the Jews who were settled there testified of the goodwill that the scythe pollotins, oh, the fuck are the scythe West?
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: The scythe pollotins, they're the ones that live in scytheapolis.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's okay.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: The poll is okay.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, it's okay.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: The poll is just okay.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: The poll is definitely going to live in Skype the policy.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's okay.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thoublest.
• 33:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Skype theopolis.
• 33:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great name for it.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know, right?
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Great city name.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, man, that this needs to be in a book, right?
• 33:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 33:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Skate the pollotins of waste to the Bible is still wasted.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good sci-fi or fantasy name.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, those people testified of the goodwill that the Skate the pollotins had shown toward them and of their kind treatment of them in the times of their misfortune, they gave thanks and further exhorted them to remain well-disposed toward the race for the future.
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they didn't kill 23,000 people there.
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: then they went up to Jerusalem.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: The feast of weeks being close to hand.
• 34:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 34:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, the feast of weeks.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: But after the feast called Pentecost, you know, that one.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Pentecost.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I know.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of them Jewish holidays.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not sure it is.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't know which one of these.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while since we covered all those Jewish holidays.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of them.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of, a lot of
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And even at that, like, they removed so many and decided that, you know, oh, we don't have to celebrate all of these, we don't only celebrate, still a lot of them.
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if they left them all in, there wouldn't be a day without a holiday.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which, I mean, it's cool.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do love me a packed calendar full of celebration.
• 35:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, after the feast called Pentecost, they marched in haste against Gorgis, the governor of Iju Maya.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: We know Gorgis, he is.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He is.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said you sang.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: He came out with 3000 infantry.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's nothing.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And 400 cavalry.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got this.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's small beans.
• 35:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've killed 25,000.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: More than one season.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: should just be like a second pot.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll flick.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I flick my bugger finger at you when they had set themselves in a ray.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It came to pass that a few of the Jews fell.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: What?
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: What?
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: This guy must have been like the boss.
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's a big boss.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a big boss.
• 35:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Certainly the city is one of the back-and-words company who was on horseback and was a strong man pressed hard on gorgeous and taking hold of his cloak dragged him along by main force.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: While he planned to take the accursed men alive, one of the Thracian cavalry bore down on him and disabled his shoulder.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: and so gorgeous escaped to Marissa.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Damn you gorgeous, when those who were with hold on let me read that again, when those who were with estrus, oh that's a name of one of the extra books, estrus.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's one of the extra books of the Bible that we haven't read.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: That we haven't read.
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right.
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: When those who were with Estrus had been fighting long and more weary, Judas called upon the Lord to show himself.
• 36:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Show me yourself.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's okay.
• 36:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fighting on their side and leading in the battle.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess he's shown up to a couple of battles already.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if I was going to be like, excuse you, I'm sorry.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have her yellow to a two, like, what do you think this is?
• 36:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: You called on me to what?
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I barely ever show up and I show twice for you.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Remember how I'm in charge and you're not like, fuck off.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, if I was y'all way, I would eat Judas and all the macabees like into the next century.
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would be like, um, y'all ain't it.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then, in a language of his ancestors, he raised the battle cry, joined with hymns.
• 37:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do you raise a battle cry, joined with hymns?
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And don't know.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: To me, a battle cry is, and then hymns are like, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the two don't go together, right?
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like one is, kill him, yeah, blood couldling, squeeze.
• 37:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: To be fair, we haven't ever heard of him done in the original, you know, language.
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe it sounds more like a battlecrate.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just can't think of that.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They could sound like cling-ons for all we know.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or Vogue-ons.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, maybe they were doing Vogue-on poetry.
• 38:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Could be, then he rushed against gorgeous troops when they were not expecting it and put them to flight.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the best time to do it when someone's not expecting it.
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta tell you, if I was at war, I would always be expecting it.
• 38:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: That seems to be a good plan.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: When I'm at war, I always expect my enemy to be worrying me.
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially if they've recently been worrying at us.
• 38:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Especially if I had within the last year killed some of their women and children.
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like you might want to prep for that.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Judas gathered his army and came to the city of Agilum.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: As the seventh day was coming on, they purified themselves according to the custom and kept the Sabbath there.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Doing that at the wrong time, I feel like.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, what are you gonna do?
• 38:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You want God to come down and fight with you, you gotta, you gotta, you know,
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: follow his rules.
• 39:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I guess on the following day when it had become necessary Judas and his company came to take up the bodies of those who had fallen and in company with their kidsmen to bring them back to the supporters of their ancestors.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: But under the garments of each one of the dead, they found consecrated tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to have anything to do with.
• 39:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, damn!
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It became clear to all that it was for this cause that they had fallen.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, so the Jews were like, oh no, some of us died, let's go gather our dead.
• 39:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And all of their own guys that had died, they were all the ones that had idols.
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's.
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Real convenience, isn't it?
• 39:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's cute.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it... Oh, no, those were the bad ones amongst us.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, only.
• 40:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Only the non-Jewish.
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 40:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: God was still on our side, even though we lost some people because obviously I feel like somebody must have just like slid them under there and they're like, look!
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: See, it's not God's fault.
• 40:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, yeah, yeah, these, these, these, they're there.
• 40:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: These fuckers had a share of holes in their back pocket.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Every single one of them.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can you even believe it?
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I cannot actually believe it.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to know who was in charge of collecting the bodies, because like,
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: feel like maybe they were just like we're just kind of telling everybody that this is what happened and there's a reason why they all these people died and you guys are all that's gotta keep them around.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to see Christy and it's for the cause.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds us to me.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does sounds us to me as well.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 40:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: All therefore, blessing the ways of the Lord, the righteous judge who makes manifest the things that are hidden, turned themselves to supplication, praying that the sin committed might be wholly blotted out.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were like, it wouldn't me.
• 41:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: In the past, God hasn't cared.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He says, there's an idol amongst them that he's like, the whole house gets right killed.
• 41:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but apparently this is not that day.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, different.
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, not it.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: No's goes and God's like, OK, OK.
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cool, cool, cool.
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: God's really kind of, you know, change.
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Walk the wing for the time.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wish he was she inconsistent, hypocritical.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 41:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: The noble Judas exhorted the multitude to keep themselves from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what happened because of the sins of those who had fallen.
• 41:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: When he had made a collection man by man, to the sum of 2,000 dropmas of silver, he sent to Jerusalem to offer a sacrifice for sin, doing very well and honorably in this, in
• 42:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what?
• 42:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're in the middle of war, but he's like, fuck me.
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of our dudes were being sacrilegious and that's why they died.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so we, even though we're in the middle of war, we're collecting our dead as how we found this out in the middle of war.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we need to stop for a second times.
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have to do a sacrifice real quick because we got to get right with the Lord.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so what is up?
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's up a collection and sent back to Jerusalem to be like, hey, Halla, can you guys do a real quick?
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sacrifice.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be real honest here.
• 42:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like the battle didn't go quite like they wanted it to.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they had to come up with an excuse for their people to make a sound better.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is what it sounds like to me.
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is just, this is just them playing, you know, the, the, the, the, the problem.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're true.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's a, it's a pep rally.
• 42:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And not only are we trying to pep.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: you at the rally rally you with pep.
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: We are also and everybody cough up $5.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But we want your enthusiasm and your deep pockets.
• 43:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that is some fucking nerve.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that is some buy-in, you know what I mean?
• 43:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, give me not only your promise and your enthusiasm and your sword, you know, fight with me, but also end your gold or silver.
• 43:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Think of how scared if you must be.
• 43:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're literally fighting people with fucking, let me be the other fighting with swords.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know like you run into battle and you're stabbing people right in front of you and they're stabbing at you and you're like this sucks you know like I'm sorry but I don't want that job you know like I'm not gonna go stab people at fucking sucks no some of these guys had already lost their wife and children
• 43:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they still have swords coming at them.
• 43:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's care to death.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you tell them, hey, if you're God sees you, if he chooses to be against us because these people had whatever, then we're going to be in really bad trouble.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they're just like, hey, we need your money.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to stop and do this prayer thing real quick.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And do it.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to be like, okay.
• 44:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cause like, you know, who wants to die?
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not it right that's from saying those ghosts and gods that I bet they had a fucking Idle on them.
• 44:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: They ditch that shit.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I bet they did I bet if I bet if this story wasn't true, but Whatever macabee is dude Judas or whatever.
• 44:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was walking around saying it.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I bet at that point whoever did have a nightle like you said threw it out.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: For if he wasn't expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would be superfluous and idle to pray for the dead.
• 44:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if he was looking forward to an honorable memorial of gratitude, laid up for those who died in godliness, then the thought was holy and godly.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, he made the atoning sacrifice for those who had died that they might be released from their sin.
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: interesting.
• 45:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really, I really, that that one is going to require digging back into because like, that's part of that rise again.
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Resurrection, martyrdom, stuff that yeah, no, the resurrection shit has been popping a lot in this book.
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we're finally hitting it toward the end of the the book.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be like every chapter now.
• 45:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like.
• 45:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 45:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you recall, but like from first Macbees, when they were talking about all these battles that were happening around Judas Macbees this time, they were just like small, this sounded to me like they were just small skirmishes, they were like, and they won again, and they won again, and they won again, right?
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like there was no mention of 25,000 people, nothing like that.
• 45:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: But 25,000 fucking people, that's, I mean, holy.
• 46:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Populations.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're killing a fuck ton of people.
• 46:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Jewish people are killing a fuck ton of people.
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's insane to me.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not going to say that the other people didn't necessarily have it coming.
• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they worked up, and only forcing their way onto the Jewish people.
• 46:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: But also of the Jewish people were trying to expand their territory.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And again, we're picking fights and bringing it on to themselves.
• 46:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I mean, I think that that's where we're talking about ancient times here, where, mm-hmm.
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, everybody was trying to get theirs for themselves, right?
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And kind of like not in.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Judea was trying to get more land and control their own people as much as anybody else was trying to do that same thing.
• 46:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and yes, some people were trying to conquer them.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we get into points in time where they were trying to conquer other people.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure how justified they were in killing all these people.
• 47:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure who these people
• 47:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: just their enemies or whether they just killing towns that were maybe harboring.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it sounds like they were killing a fuck ton of people.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe just kind of indiscriminately.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like they were going through a town and being like, take y'all away as your sovereign God or will kill you.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also support us in our war against the Salais and guides that are chasing us.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when towns sit, they're just like fuck you.
• 47:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they killed them.
• 47:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 47:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: whole time.
• 47:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of what it sounds like again.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know exactly like this is much more detailed than it was going in the first macabees, but and I don't know what it is, but it just sounds very expansionist and not as defensive as they would have you believe.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, oh, they were infringed upon and they had to defend the, it's the whole, they have the right to defend themselves.
• 48:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, this is not just defense.
• 48:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is wiping out entire populations.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you're using words wrong.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, and we kind of talked about that, like at points in time with the macabees, like it does feel like at certain points, they became a little bit more expansionist than they should have.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Given what they had claimed they were doing I mean a lot more not just a little more a lot more because that's why it's not included in the He revival sure
• 48:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it paints them in the background.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, is that the end of the chapter then sure spoke was all right that was second macabees chapter 12 Which means that next time will we back with second macadudos chapter 13.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, all right.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you then