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Unveiling the Magic: Making Megaforce with Bob Lindenmayer · Cinema Yūgen

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G'day. That's right, it's that time again. Time for Cinema Eugen.
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Yes, welcome back Cinema Eugen Kent Hill or flying by my Megaforce codename
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today, Wombat. I welcome back Bob Lindenmeyer.
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Just over a year ago now, I spoke to Bob and Barry Botswick,
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otherwise known as Ace Hunter, about making Megaforce.
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Well, I've had a chance to see Making Megaforce and review it for FilmThread.
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Link for it will be in the description.
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Bob and I are back together talking about making Megaforce the most compelling,
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inspiring, awesome comprehensive awesomely
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comprehensive documentary about the making of megaforce and also the incredible
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irreverent insatiable and delicious friendship between bob and barry i'm very
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pleased to have seen the film i can't wait for you to see it coming out in june,
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official premiere in June.
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Can't wait for you to see Making Megaforce. So this week, please,
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ladies and gentlemen, Yugenites, welcome back to Cinema Yugen,
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Bob Lindenmayer, or Speeder, as he's also a name.
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Hey, Ken, thanks for having me back. It's a privilege. I just figured out my,
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last night I figured out my Megaforce name, code name.
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I reckon it should be Wombat.
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Very good. You're Speeder. I'm Wombat.
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All right. Be sure to add that in the special credits. And we've got Ace. Yeah, exactly.
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I thought it was great when you sent me the film.
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Initially, the passcode didn't work, and it wasn't until I watched the film
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and I was like, oh, Speeder, that's cute.
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That's my physical digiforce name. That's beautiful. It was fun when we were
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filming, Barry gave everybody in the crew their own Megaforce names.
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So some of them are not. So that particular part, was that after you found that out?
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When you sat down at that particular point and said, I want a Megaforce name?
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That was a recreation of an actual conversation that we had. Oh, okay. Right, right.
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Yeah. It was beautiful. it didn't say it
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didn't seem that way it did come it came across very
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very very such a great actor
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and i'm just fumbling around behind him the whole time hey
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just getting off topic at the moment is that the actual sword
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from flash gordon in the background there yeah yeah
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that's fantastic yeah and there's
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war rocket ajax and a
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hawkman helmet back there awesome you've got
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so much cool stuff you've got maximilian in your shed too is
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that a replica or a yeah it's a replica i built
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him by myself it's funny in the background i'm sure
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you noticed in the background of the film you can see him in different stages
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when it's in my shot yeah no it's awesome sorry to get off get off different
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films but yeah i just oh we can do a whole black hole thing too if you wanted
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yeah it's awesome it's awesome no because i you know after you watch a film a couple of times i
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once i've sort of ingested the narrative to
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do the review i start to pay attention to stuff
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that's in the background and i was like wow he's
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got that and he's got a star crash poster and wow look at that it's pretty yeah
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no i'm uh yeah i'm steeped uh i'm trapped in my youth obviously i know and and
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and you know due to the state of films our youth isn't going to go away Like, Bob,
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it's all over the place.
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It's been ripped up and remade. The 80s are never going to die, it seems like.
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Yeah, yeah, 100%, 100% for sure. I mean, at what point do you think they're
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going to get around to, like, saying, well, we should remake Megaforce?
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Yeah, well, I mean, it's funny you should mention that, you know,
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the South Park guys, Matt Stone and Trey Parker, are huge megaforce.
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Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, and when I was interviewing Albert Reddy.
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You know, Godfather in a Smoky Man, he said, yeah, I was at this big awards
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ceremony at the Oscars for my Lifetime Achievement Award, and Trey Parker walked
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up to me and said, you made the most important film in history.
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And albert he said oh well
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i was assuming he was talking about the godfather and then
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trey said megaforce that's awesome
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and they were actually trying to get their rights to remake
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megaforce and were not able to so they did
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team america instead oh okay wow
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so there you go so that's a direct result there
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you go of that and now
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the film is out i've shipped it shipped
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it out to all uh those south park
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guys's handlers so hopefully okay they can
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see the film and and maybe we'll slide them
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in for an interview and everything like that uh
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yeah well hopefully i won't be
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remaking megaforce if if this if this movie
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sticks to the walls enough i think i'm the guy to make it
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properly so it's still funny but still has
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some reverence uh it's it's
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it's unusual how that happens like you know George Lucas wanted to do Flash
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Gordon but couldn't so ended up doing Star Wars and exactly exactly and all
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that sort of thing it's it's it's it's it's it's weird that the films that either
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inspire us inspire us to go off and somehow.
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Recreate that but our version or in your case go back and and re-examine the
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the watch so to speak like you know when you see a watchmaker take a watch uh
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apart and look at all the pieces,
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exactly exactly yeah that was the big you know
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that was kind of the big conceit if right
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like obviously the story of bob me
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the director in the film right he wants to
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be he wants to be in megaforce and of course like what
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kid didn't want to be in star wars or megaforce and you
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know and interviewing all these all these people you know
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their stories were just so fascinating and and i really
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decided it's like okay i'm going to
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try to do my version of
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literally every moment in the film short
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of skydiving because i got a heights thing um if
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i if i could if i could have got barry up into a plane we would
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have done that but but yeah but anything
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else right like through the film whether it was you know
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riding a motorcycle or a dean buggy or
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even you know one of my favorite scenes in
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in my film is when barry and i are doing
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the acting scene with the big hot pink background
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right because uh you know i really wanted to
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like have a dramatic scene with very because there's dramatic
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scenes in megaforce right so that
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was i had a punch list of of everything i
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needed to do to legitimize myself actually being.
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In in megaforce have you
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seen the jared hess film gentleman broncos i've heard
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of it i have not seen it is it adjacent to that i think i think if you watch
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it and then watch your film you'll see some some very very cute little parallels
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especially involving uh i won't give it away i won't spoil it but when you make little uh,
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The bits where you do the trying to recreate some of the stuff on Megaforce and you use models. Yes.
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You'll see parallels of that if you watch it.
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Oh, brilliant. Yeah, yeah. Which is kind of sweet based on the end of your film,
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which I will not give away for local money.
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But, yeah, if you watch Gentleman Broncos, you'll see lots of cute little, you'll go, oh, yeah.
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Oh, my. That's nice. Yeah. I mean, that was one of the big thing, right?
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Like, I got Barry Bostwick's, he actually had a photo album from the production.
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So, like, most of the vintage stills in my film are from that, right?
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And they're actually, they shot a making of Megaforce television special. Okay.
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Which has been lost to time. I've shaken every tree I can to find it.
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I really thought it was important to show some of the archival footage.
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I was just like, well, it's my movie. I'll just make it up.
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Of course, I don't have a C-130 or B-25 camera plane here, so I just did it all in models.
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There's a lot of,
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yeah fun like recreation stuff
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like hal needham's motorcycle accident right that
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we show in the film like that was a complete recreation you
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know with my son again just so you know i really wanted the documentary to be
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like pretty lively and not a bunch of you know the photos are amazing but after
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after a while it's like oh you kind of want to see some you know megaforce is such a visual moving,
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movie i felt like i really needed to keep that kind of
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kinetic sure sure but but
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i mean the the revelation that comes out about it and and like i said uh in
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my review that kurt vonnegut documentary really stuck with me after i i watched
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it because at some point it stops being about kurt vonnegut and his writing
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and it's just this friendship between the filmmaker and the,
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subject exactly which is which is
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you know i mean yes you if you're a fan of the film you want all
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of the the nuance and all
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the the details but the the
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friendship side of it is is the unexpected is really the unexpected glory of
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the film because it's it's it's really it's it's really genuine like one of
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my favorite moments is when you're on the phone to barry at one point because
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of caller id he knows it's you and so when he answers the phone he's just like what do you want.
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Yes yeah yeah and most of that you know
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i mean the great thing about barry is he was
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obviously totally game for the entire thing so
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yeah i would hook up my camera and just cold cold
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call him and see what happens a lot
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and of course he's he's just so lovely but you know that was what was really
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interesting about you know my the original kind of thought because i love megaforce
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was to kind of do a straight up you know making of in in search of finding something you know,
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more interesting so you know if you're
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not one of the 38 fans who actually likes megaforce you could still enjoy the
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movie right yeah and it really became obvious that it was kind of barry organized
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bromance and which is a hundred percent legitimate right or you know the like
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so much so there were so many.
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Times hanging out with him where i put the
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camera away because we're
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having such a great time you know even if
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it's just like you know eating dinner
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outside of whole foods in the parking lot watching the
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sunset right like it was just amazing where i
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was like oh my gosh this would be so sweet
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in the in the film but like yeah
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our friendship really transcended that it was just like no i just
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want to i just want to be with this guy right like i
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like i don't want to be with ace hunter i want to be with barry
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boss yeah yeah and that was kind of distinction of
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of kind of juggling around the original impetus if
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you're going to make a megaforce documentary is like oh i
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need to get ace hunter in here and then
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and then as we became close it
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was like oh like i you know.
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My personal life i actually need a barry bostwick in
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my life right like a mentor figure and
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me chasing after the ace hunter part was
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just kind of icing on the cake right so i think you're right i
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really appreciate you kind of you know getting that
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because that was the most important part of the film for me too is just
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yeah you know with the legacy of you know
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all those fans that i interviewed you
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know it was one of their fondest memories with their dads going
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out and seeing this boy right essentially it's
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it's funny you brought that up because again like
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the the Vonnegut documentary there's actually
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a point in the film where Robert Whitey tackles what you've just been talking
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about but he had the chance to go and hang out with Vonnegut at certain times
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and he he made the decision he said a lot of times he was worried about the
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film in impinging on the friendship And so he thought, I'm not going to take the camera.
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I'm just going to go. I think it was for a week or something.
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And just rather than just film interviews every day. So I'm just going to hang out with.
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My friend yeah you know yeah no it's it's exactly that and it's so funny because
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when we were going through right because this took about six years for me to
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get together since i did it all myself.
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Filming and everything except for the end which i
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had some help but yeah it was i was
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like you know working with my editor felix
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it was like god i remember barry saying
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that where is it in the footage and it was in
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one of those moments where i was not rolling the camera and
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it was a conversation that just barry and i were having and it was just
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so funny like this you know
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i yeah i was down there every month
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for a year hanging out with them
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and going on adventures and yeah i
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i love the fact like you can see the passage of
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time with your with your hair and beard in the
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film as you as you
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try to to synchronistically morph into uh i love the fact that you were actually
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mistaken you said at one point in the film mistaken five times or six yeah yeah
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every every comic con that i did the berry beard right and i mean what's funny is is people you know.
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You know you always kind of remember your heroes how
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they showed up on on film right so they're like
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oh well barry obviously barry's older right but
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if you're coming to a comic con cold to meet the
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guy you don't know like how much older you know unless you're
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really following him and stuff like that so yeah i like every
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comic con because i'm a barry calls me his booth babe he's like i need a booth
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babe down here can you come and help me do the autographs and you know all that
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so i'd be working at these comic con tables and he would go go to have lunch
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or whatever and i'd be there and people would be like, Mr. Bostwick?
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Like, no, I'm sorry. Sorry. I wish, but we'll be back in a minute.
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I love it how he isn't shy about talking about his secret medicine that he carries in the bag.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, and, and we, and we did start that tradition.
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There was, again, the, like the documentary was so, so fat, right?
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Like I could have easily made a three hour documentary of Bob Barry's great adventure.
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Yeah. Cause there's many, many drinking after Comic-Con shots that we filmed in the movie.
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I could only imagine Barry, you know, three sheets to the wind. He must be a hootie.
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Yeah yeah yeah for sure yeah he's
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like he's a force of nature that guy so and you
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know the thing like he's not i haven't
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hung out with a lot of celebrities look like
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i hung out with flash gordon i mean sam jones
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a lot through the making of that film and
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and previously i did a a film
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commentary with him and melody anderson years ago
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on flash gordon that was kind of an underground thing and
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you know like sam jones is like celebrity and
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and barry's just way more interested in
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like hanging out with us right and right right
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you know he did you know he's in
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he's in that world but like i think he'd
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much rather be you know clowning around
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with his buddies and having intimate conversations and
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yeah it's amazing no it's
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um it's it's incredible the the the
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you know whenever you give a high rating for a film review people you know accuse
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you of shilling or favoritism or whatever but no it's it's it's honest because
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not only am i a fan of of megaforce but i love documentaries i love particularly
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if it's a if it's a documentary about a film I love.
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The more comprehensive the better, and this doesn't get,
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any more comprehensive i remember interviewing daniel benedict
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who did a behind the scenes documentary back
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when arrow released the 4k and blu-ray
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of of waterworld and he did
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oh nice he did a really probably the most
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comprehensive documentary on waterworld which doesn't
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have i mean it does obviously doesn't have dennis hopper it doesn't have kevin
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cost it does have them in the archival APK
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stuff which yeah yeah which was from the original
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but like you he talked to the
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the pyro guys the stunt guys
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like every you know because uh
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what people forget in in
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maybe watching these films is is is all of
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these films megaforce waterworld were
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not made with green screens or the volume right yeah or the great or the great
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volume of of special effects that we are so used to today and people are so
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eager to pick apart oh that cgi looks terrible or whatever yeah it's all it's
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real for real right it's it's funny right like the.
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At least the uh the facebook scandal on
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uh top gun maverick right this is like oh it
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was all done for real and then you know they show
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all the cgi stuff and everything like that which you know i mean obviously visually
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an incredible movie and you can't and you couldn't tell a cgi but uh i mean
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the fact of the matter is is you know in the 80s those those boys were out there
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hanging it out and, you know,
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the moment where they're talking about having to go to the hospital because
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of all the smoke. Yeah, smoke inhalation, yeah, yeah.
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I liked one of the stories with the drums when one of the big explosions went off.
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All of a sudden they started paying attention to the drums coming down,
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like, oh, where are they going to land? Yeah.
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And next minute everyone's taking cover under trucks and in trucks.
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Yeah, yeah. there's so there's so much circus
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you know when the when kind of the
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bob and barry story takes over right like it
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was a really it was a really hard balance being a huge megaforce
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fan right like i definitely
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wanted to show like every nut and bolt and
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every cool moment and you know i'll probably end up with like another two hour
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straight up making making of the original megaforce on the dvd release because
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there's just so much more lovely content and just like oh yeah,
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shocking stories about casino life and.
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It just it just goes on and on right uh
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so you and i again we're we're
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two of the 38 who love the original film like that's going to be a great gift
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and you know and i've got i've got all those interviews yeah yeah now i i imagine
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while watching it and because you've been on this so long i thought man the
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extra features on this are going to be off the wall,
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a couple of features against spoilers and all that,
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but yeah, there's going to be a couple of amazing pieces of business in it.
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Yeah, because I imagine due to the meticulousness of what you presented that
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you've got, you've probably got, you know, like Stanley Kubrick,
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like days and days of footage that's not in there.
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Yeah 100 like there's this whole sequence you
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know when they in the film where they're shooting the beach balls
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and obviously we go to that location right yeah
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right i love your reaction at
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the end yeah but
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we went hiking up in the mountains because i had photos of
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where they actually had the mortar launchers for those
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beach balls originally and everything right like
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you know big sequences like that and here's where
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this hologram was and here was this here's where that
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rock is and here's where this rock is yeah and
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yeah and it was really hard so you know being you being a fan and and also being
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generous enough to accept you know my friendship story with barry And of course
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the love of my kids participating and the love of my friends.
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Helping me out. Right.
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Like, you know, mega force is kind of a metaphor for that, you know,
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mega family or something.
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So I really appreciate that that part resonated with you as well.
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Cause I think that's where the real heart is in, and, and the,
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in the, in the entertainment,
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in a way that even if you don't know megaforce i
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mean i mean what do you think if you'd never heard of megaforce do you think
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the film would resonate yeah i think it's i i think like i feel again i keep
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going back to this vonnegut documentary but i do think that it's good enough
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just like that film if you have never heard of kurt vonnegut or never read his books.
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In in kind like this with megaforce if you
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were to watch this and have no idea what megaforce is i think
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that you would be inclined to the
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very next thing after you watch this you would go
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oh well i want to go see this mega force exactly exactly
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well because as i said in the review the
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the passion that you have is is is
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the biggest infectious element so
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particularly when they see the end which we won't spoil because
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it's it's beautiful i think that that's the capper
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and that would lead anyone off who has absolutely no clue who has never seen
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the film who has no knowledge of the film will see that and go wow it affected
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that guy that way so much uh i need to go check out megaforce as quickly as
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yeah the original you know in like i did some cuts where.
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You know when you love a movie so much and it's really easy with megaforce right
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because like it's been the it's been the internet's punching bag for years as
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far as i mean it's a really fun movie to make fun of for sure because it's still
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entertaining yes but at the same time,
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you know the like my plan was
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all right if you can get on board with me and understand
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me bob the character in the movie right and learn and learn through my appreciation
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of it like i think I hope that people will revisit Megaforce right after and
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be like, holy cow, now I get it, right?
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Maybe it wasn't as silly or dumb or a big of a box office failure as history has presented it as.
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Well, I was shocked to find out the other day that Armageddon is in the Criterion
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Collection, so there's hope for Megaforce.
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Holy cow that that that's
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shocking on several levels and i mean
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let's face it that same kind of irreverent gung-ho the good guys always win
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even in the 80s is is apparent in armageddon you know because it has the exact
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same tone like there's an asteroid that's going to destroy We're all on earth.
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Who do we send? Bruce Willis.
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Clearly. And they're going to the smartest guy on the planet.
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Said that all we need to do is land two ships
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on this asteroid that's moving at ridiculous speeds
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plant two nuclear devices somehow take
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off and then explode it and it's going to split it exactly down
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the middle it's going to bypass earth completely it's a
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perfect plan it's a perfect you know and
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they don't even have like a mega force to to send
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they got the ragtag oil drillers oil drillers
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yeah well i mean there's so many you know it's
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it's weird just like just within a matter of
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a couple years after megaforce right
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like megaforce was originally pitched as a
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television series yeah it's the a-team like right hugely successful series right
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like right you know and i don't know if that kind of fun loving stuff uh was
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too serious for cinema at the time because Right after Megaforce failed,
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it seemed like that recipe that they used has been successful.
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Look at all the Marvel movies, right? They're no more or less ridiculous than
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what was presented in the 1980 movie.
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I mean, you know, again, it's a team, a ragtag team of professionals that join
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together to fight evil and in all its forms.
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I mean, as much as it's a men on a mission movie, I mean, you can see the traces of Megaforce.
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Like, for instance, like through the films of like Stephen Summers,
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like when he did the first G.I. Joe.
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You can definitely see the Megaforce templates.
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Stuck on that sort of thing because again
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you know i mean the diff i
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mean probably the big difference with megaforce is megaforce is
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already set up it's like we're coming into
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megaforce and the team has been set up
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and they have been doing this for a while but where
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i think kind of after megaforce it was
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always about well we need to show how the team came together and
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i always think that if they ever did something ridiculous
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like try and remake it that's the route that
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would go that would go like well we need to show how megawatt is story
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stuff yeah well i mean that's really interesting too
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because like another another movie of the
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time like buckaroo bonsai right like like again
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you just come in the middle of the conversation in the middle right you
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come in the middle um they're already set up
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and they've already been doing their thing and yeah you
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know he's doing brain surgery and he leaves the brain surgery
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to go out and test the vehicle and then comes back and plays at
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a club you know it's beautiful well don't pull on
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that we don't know what it's attached to yeah no matter
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where you go there you are but it's
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it's fantastic bob i'm so i'm so glad that that
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i got to see it and and i'm so thankful you took the time to watch it more than
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once even i've watched it three or four times it makes me feel so it's you know
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like i said it's infectious and as if you're a fan of of mega force and and also a fan of of of good.
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Solid documentary and like i said
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i think that it's got enough legs that people will
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if you're a complete noobie as they say
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or a noob yeah to it
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you will i think you will definitely um i hope
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so right like if you're a fan of
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anything that nobody else
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really understands right i mean that's
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kind of the megaforce yeah that's that's
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another way in because it's the another another thing
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it has going for it is is the fact that
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like you say in one of the interviews when you're
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talking with one of the i think the assistant camera guys
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and he was talking about how when he went to a
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screening all the kids walked out and
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like he turns to you and go yeah but you're the one that like stayed and it's
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like you know and and it's and it really is a great testament to like anyone
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who's ever seen something whether it be a movie or a comic book or a novel or
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whatever it is that touched them at that formative age that stayed with them.
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And somehow it stayed with them deeply enough that it causes them to go,
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you know, I need to know everything about this.
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Totally. I need to find out, you know, and I need to become friends with the, with the stuff.
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Yeah. If you, if you only did, right. Like that was, yeah, that was my right.
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And I mean, hanging out with Michael Beck was incredible days.
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And, you know, as far as, Like there's other news that it'll probably be public
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by the time this is out, depending on when you do it.
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We just got accepted to, it's called LA film invasion. Okay.
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Cool. Film festival in LA.
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Yeah. So the world premiere is going to be the weekend of June 19th through the 22nd.
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I'll get actual, actual screening dates.
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Hopefully by next week. But that, that is a really big.
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Big deal and and you know it's it's hard to say
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what chips the scales on on these things because
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a couple of film festivals have said no right uh
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and and i think it's because they just don't get
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it or they're too serious right i mean my movie isn't
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isn't isn't super serious as far
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as you know documentary goes when you
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put your fingers up and say documentary but those
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guys all all responded really
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like very similar to you right just you
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know and you know due to
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your great film threat post right like
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that's part of our pitch now like that is in our you
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know festival submission things right so
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like if kent likes it come on you gotta like it
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right yes but yeah we're out of our
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minds out of our minds getting ready for la
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there should be a real ace hunter there and
31:31
there should be a real megaforce motorcycle there for
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the world premiere as well so yeah yeah
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i think it's i think it's great how you he's not
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in the film of course because you're late great but that hanging out with hal
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needham for that that short time that you said that you uh got to must have
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been it was the best you know like what i mean he was he was he's exactly how you'd expect.
31:58
And I mean, he said, I've never...
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He's like, I'm so sick of signing trans ams. This is the first mega destroyer
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I've ever signed. Right.
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So cool. So cool. That's awesome.
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We're going to put, we're going to put some links before we run out of time.
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We're going to put some links in the description for people to check out what
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I thought, plus links to making Megaforce.
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Like you heard Bob say, look out in June for the premiere.
32:30
Air and then uh afterwards we'll we'll have bob back
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and we'll we'll dive into some more of the nitty-gritty
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once it's out and people have had a chance to see
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it we'll dive into some more of the details hey that sounds
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amazing i'm i'm i signed up for a film festival in your in your hometown there
32:48
so oh sweet as yeah so well give us you know if it's if it's if it's somewhere
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local that i can i can i can get to give us a yell when you come over and we'll
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uh 100 percent yeah speeder,
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and wombat together again around wombat together again.
33:05
A speeder and wombat all we need is like you
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know a dozen more guys and we can reconstitute a
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team that's right and take on
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the world 58 yes ladies and
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gentlemen making megaforce bob lindenmeyer has done
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the impossible by doing the incredible check out
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the links in the description june is when it's
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all going to explode deeds not
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words thank you ladies and gentlemen thank
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you bob for coming back to sing that's
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lovely yes making megaforce bob
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lindenmeyer it is a passion project a
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pilot project full of passion please go and check it out check the links in
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the description and keep your eyes locked on the skies for the making of megaforce
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in making a megaforce which is an absolutely incredible heartfelt.
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Passionate inspiring all the superlatives
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that mean great check the links in the
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description and when you get the chance in june
34:12
if you are around any of the places keep
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your eyes locked on megaforce hq and
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links in the description and this is
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wombat saying making megaforce is awesome check the links in the description
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