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Scumbag Cohen Admits in Court He Stole 1000's from Trump · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Michael Cohen, Well, he's cooked, serve him up on a
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Speaker 1: platter to the Trump organization. After being forced to admit
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Speaker 1: under oath, Yeah, I stole like tens of thousands of dollars,
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Speaker 1: at least that he's admitting to right now. I think
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Speaker 1: there's probably a pretty good chance he may have stolen
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Speaker 1: more money. They just didn't know exactly which asked which
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Speaker 1: question to ask him about other payments. But he did
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Speaker 1: have to admit under oath that he stole tens of
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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars from the Trump organization. This is the
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Speaker 1: same witness that they are telling you the jury. You
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Speaker 1: gotta trust him. The entire case is around Michael Cohen.
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Speaker 1: How did it happen? Take a listen to this from
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Speaker 1: the transcript from the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: Finch and Cohen confirms that he owed Redfinch fifty grand
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Speaker 2: and never paid the full cash. Trump's attorney Bland says,
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Speaker 2: you stole from the Trump organization. Cohen says, yes, sir.
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Speaker 2: He also confirms lying to Allan Iselberg. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how many of that is on the list, but that's
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Speaker 2: another prevarication. And Cohen says he never pleaded guilty to
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Speaker 2: larceny on they go. Blanche presses Cohen, you did steal
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Speaker 2: from the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement of Redfinch,
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Speaker 2: and he says, yes, sir.
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Speaker 1: So that's yes, sir. There it is Steve Michael Cohen here.
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Speaker 1: Did you steal from the Trump organization?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Asked again, you did steal from the Trump organization, correct, Cohen?
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Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 1: So this is just the beginning of what we now
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Speaker 1: know about what he stole. Now, let's put this into perspective,
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Speaker 1: so you understand what Michael Cohen just admitted to stealing
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Speaker 1: money and bezzling money.
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Speaker 3: From the Trump organization where he worked.
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Speaker 1: Is actually, you ready for this a more serious crime
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Speaker 1: than falsifying business records, which is what this woke activists
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Speaker 1: DA is accusing Donald Trump of actually doing. Now, the
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Speaker 1: question is will they go after Michael Cohen. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: in New York they're gonna say no, no, We're not gonna
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Speaker 1: go after him.
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Speaker 3: He's one of ours.
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Speaker 1: He's one of ours, and this disaster turns into the
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Speaker 1: prosecution resting their case. CNN senior legal analysts set on
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Speaker 1: Monday on their coverage on CNN that the former president
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's business record trial. The witness Michael Coen admitting
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Speaker 1: he stole money for the Trump organization is a more
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Speaker 1: serious crime than what Trump is actually charged with doing.
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Speaker 1: to Cohen here, So he lies and the media is
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Speaker 1: having to deal with this, right like, this is a
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Speaker 1: pretty darn big lie. And I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: what CNN says about Michael Cohen stealing from the Trump organization.
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Speaker 4: Not a lawyer, just a common guy, just a humble
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Speaker 4: cave man. But it seems like it seems like they
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Speaker 4: should have hit this harder a week ago.
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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, And the point you just made about yourself,
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Speaker 5: that's what the jury is except for two lawyers. Jurors
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Speaker 5: don't know this stuff and so they need to have it,
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Speaker 5: you know, really presented to them. And so the fact
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Speaker 5: that it was minimized in that way by the prosecution,
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Speaker 5: I think it presents a very good opportunity and closing
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Speaker 5: for they knew about this, they minimized it the prosecutor
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Speaker 5: misled this jury.
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Speaker 3: That's what I would are.
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Speaker 4: Are you allowed to say that, yes, sir, oh yeah.
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Speaker 6: The way this was raised and addressed on direct is
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Speaker 6: what Julia Louis Dreyfus would call YadA, YadA, YadA. I mean,
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Speaker 6: here's what Michael hell and here's what Michael Cohen.
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Speaker 7: Said, explained George Costanzo.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, it was a lane. It was it
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Speaker 3: was to it.
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Speaker 6: Here's the direct testimony that the way Michael Cohen explained
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Speaker 6: what happened, it's actually.
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Speaker 3: A girl that Stanza was dating.
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Speaker 6: Michael Cohen explained this whole thing. Quote, that's what was owed.
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Speaker 6: And I didn't feel mister Trump deserved the difference. That's
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Speaker 6: a lot different than I stole sixty thousand dollars from
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Speaker 6: my boss on the transaction at the heart of this case.
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Speaker 6: And by the way, the fact that he was ever
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Speaker 6: charged with larsening is important because stealing sixty thousand dollars
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Speaker 6: through fraud, which would be larceny in New York State,
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Speaker 6: is more serious of a crime than falsifying business.
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Speaker 7: This is one of those instances where I'm really looking
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Speaker 7: forward to talking to our reporter, our reporters who are
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Speaker 7: in there to see I understand, and I take your point,
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Speaker 7: Laura about all of you really about playing to the jury,
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Speaker 7: but also being careful about reading too much into the
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Speaker 7: reaction of the jury. I think the answer to your
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Speaker 7: question about whether or not they really did absorb what
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Speaker 7: the prosecution said last week or two weeks ago will
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Speaker 7: be has to be noted by their reaction today in
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Speaker 7: some way, shape or form, don't you think.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I love this, I love how they're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: let's laugh about Seinfeld and talk about that for a second.
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Speaker 1: Would they have ever done that if this was switched
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Speaker 1: the other way around, that a Republican lied on the stand,
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Speaker 1: they'd be going wall to wall massive and they're like, oh, crap,
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Speaker 1: our favorite guy who we've given countless hours of airtime to,
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Speaker 1: Michael Cohen, just admitted to stealing from the Trump organization.
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Speaker 1: And then you have a CNN analyst that says this
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Speaker 1: is more serious of a crime than what they're accusing
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump of. It's grand largnity basically, and then saying
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Speaker 1: this is like major, go to jail stuff. And yet
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Speaker 1: they didn't charge Michael Cohen with it, and they knew
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Speaker 1: it right, They knew it, So how do you kind of,
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Speaker 1: you know, soften this for the viewers that hate Trump.
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Speaker 1: CNN you talk about YadA YadA, YadA, and this is
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Speaker 1: like some sort of Seinfeld episode and you all laugh
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Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 3: You take all that away.
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Speaker 1: And what CNN said was the defense scored a stunning
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Speaker 1: revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from the Trump organization
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Speaker 1: and was not charged with that crime. That's the other
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Speaker 1: part about this that you need to understand. And I
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Speaker 1: want you to hear what Trey Gowdy had to say
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Speaker 1: over at Fox. He's in the courtroom, he's actually in there.
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Speaker 1: He came out to do this interview on Fox. He's
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Speaker 1: one of the hosts there now former congressmen. And listen
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Speaker 1: to what he said about the jury.
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Speaker 8: And I thought his lawyers quite candidly. They got Coen
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Speaker 8: to admit that he lied, that he had a motive
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Speaker 8: to lie, that he would continue to lie in the future,
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Speaker 8: and then they moved on. They spent most of their
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Speaker 8: time on pretty esoteric things that I think, in the
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Speaker 8: final analysis, aren't going to move the jury. So juries
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Speaker 8: that's what I'll watch. It's the only doll opinions that matter.
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Speaker 8: They seemed a little bit I don't want to say disinteresting,
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Speaker 8: because they weren't, but they seemed to be doing this
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Speaker 8: with their hands, Like, come on and get to the
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Speaker 8: good stuff. What we care about is if you can
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Speaker 8: show us that Cohen still is motivated by a desire
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Speaker 8: to hurt Donald Trump, we're interested. But if you're going
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Speaker 8: back to a conversation that may or may not be
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Speaker 8: relevant from four years ago, move on. I just kind
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Speaker 8: of mentally saw them doing this a little bit.
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Speaker 9: So, Trey, if you go back to the original indictment,
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Speaker 9: the language says with intent to defraud and intent to
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Speaker 9: commit another crime, but it never articulates what the quote
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Speaker 9: another crime is. You spend a lot of time in
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Speaker 9: a courtman as a federal prosecutor. Did you ever take
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Speaker 9: somebody to court when the defense didn't know what crime
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Speaker 9: that person was committed with.
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Speaker 8: I would never have taken this matter to court in
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Speaker 8: the first place. I don't think, I mean defense passed
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Speaker 8: on it. Keep that in mind. I mean the Fed
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Speaker 8: right down the street in the southern disc of New
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Speaker 8: York took a pass on this. So this is a
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Speaker 8: political motivation, but the jury's not going to hear that.
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Speaker 8: So the defense team still needs to treat this like
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Speaker 8: it like it is a prosecution that exposes the former president,
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Speaker 8: and they need to treat it like that. There is
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Speaker 8: a political component to it, for sure, but for these twelve,
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Speaker 8: if he wants a not guilty verdict, you got to
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Speaker 8: kind of put that aside.
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Speaker 1: Trey Gouty makes an interesting point there. Michael Cohen is
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Speaker 1: actually telling the truth about all of his lies. That's rare,
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Speaker 1: and the only people they need to make sure I
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Speaker 1: understand this as he described it, and he's absolutely right,
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Speaker 1: is the twelve people in the box, and it needs
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Speaker 1: to be exploited to make it clear to them that, hey,
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Speaker 1: this guy still has a motivation to lie about Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump and in fact has made millions of dollars off
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Speaker 1: of it, which he admitted to today. You look at what
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Speaker 1: Trey Gowdy said also about this case, and one of
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Speaker 1: the things he said about this jury is he said,
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Speaker 1: is the jury is going to.
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Speaker 3: Be looking at Michael Cohen.
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Speaker 1: They've got to ask themselves a question, can I trust him?
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Speaker 1: They also found out that he's made over four million
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Speaker 1: dollars trashing Donald Trump on social media, TikTok payments, books,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. So hating Trump has made Michael Cohen over
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Speaker 1: four million dollars that obviously has to be brought up
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Speaker 1: as well. But listen to the second part of what
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Speaker 1: he said.
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Speaker 9: Just so folks at home get this correct. This is
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Speaker 9: the way it unfolded. This morning, Tray Cohen testifies on
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Speaker 9: repayment to a high tech company, Redfinch, for fifty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 9: Cohen says he repaid Redfinch twenty k. Cohen confirms he
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Speaker 9: never paid Redfinch the full fifty thousand. Todd Blanche produces
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Speaker 9: that Cohen stole from the Trump organization. Cohen agrees that
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Speaker 9: he stole from the Trump organization. Cohen says he left
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Speaker 9: the Trump organization believing that he had paid back the
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Speaker 9: fifty thousand dollars to Redfinch. When Trump Organization grows up
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Speaker 9: coins compensation, he pocketed that money too. Cohen admits to
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Speaker 9: essentially stealing sixty thousand dollars from the Trump organization. So
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Speaker 9: he lied to his client, He secretly recorded his client,
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Speaker 9: and then this morning he admitted that he stole from
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Speaker 9: his client. What was it like being there watching all
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Speaker 9: of this unfold?
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Speaker 8: That wasn't even the most surprising part of the morning.
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Speaker 8: I mean, yes, it is rare to have a witness
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Speaker 8: admit yeah, I stole money from one of my clients.
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Speaker 8: The most amazing part to me is that Michael Cohen
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Speaker 8: just spent three hours asking a jury please believe me
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Speaker 8: when I'm telling you about all my lives. That is
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Speaker 8: not a good strategy for a witness that wants to
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Speaker 8: be believed to say, yes, I lied about this, and
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Speaker 8: I have a financial motive in lying, and I want
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Speaker 8: to run for Congress. Don't forget about that. He admitted
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Speaker 8: this morning he wants to run for Congress. He wants
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Speaker 8: someone to do a documentary on him. But all of
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Speaker 8: those lives you should just regard because this one time,
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Speaker 8: this one time, even though I have sworn to get
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Speaker 8: revenge and it's better cold and hot, please believe me.
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Speaker 8: I just would not want to be the prosecutor having
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Speaker 8: to convince a jury of that. Having said that, the
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Speaker 8: other big observation this morning is this judge is seemingly
13:20
Speaker 8: cutting the alegs out from under the trunk defense. If
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Speaker 8: they're planning on calling an expert to go into what
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Speaker 8: is involved with efforts to influence an election, the judge said,
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Speaker 8: I'm not going to let that happen. I don't mind
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Speaker 8: a high strike zone. I don't mind a low strike zone,
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Speaker 8: just being uniform. And I can tell you I went
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Speaker 8: I came this morning saying, never seen this judge before.
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Speaker 8: I'll keep an open mind. The reality is the prosecution's
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Speaker 8: getting every jump ball and the defense ain't getting any
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Speaker 8: of them.
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Speaker 1: I love the way he described it, so Cohen Liede
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Speaker 1: he took a bunch of money. And not only did
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Speaker 1: he take a bunch of money, he's now saying he
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Speaker 1: wants to run for Congress and he wants somebody to
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Speaker 1: do a documentary and he and he's made over four
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Speaker 1: million dollars trashing Donald Trump so far, and then is
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Speaker 1: caught stealing, which is a bigger crime than what they've
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Speaker 1: accused Donald Trump of doing in this trial, but no
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Speaker 1: one's prosecuting him for that, which goes back to CNN.
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Speaker 1: They're still reeling right like they can only talk about
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Speaker 1: Seinfeld for so long before they have to tell you
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Speaker 1: the truth yet again, that this is such a disaster.
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Speaker 3: Listen to Jake Tapper.
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Speaker 4: Stuff, and I have to say, I'm still kind of
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Speaker 4: reeling from the revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from
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Speaker 4: the Trump organization, and that wasn't, at least to my knowledge,
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Speaker 4: that the prosecution didn't get that get that out earlier,
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Speaker 4: because it's not as though the prosecution is going to
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Speaker 4: be helped by further evidence that Michael Cohen is a
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Speaker 4: shady character. I mean, let's I'll get to the newest
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Speaker 4: stuff in a second, but like, i mean, what's just
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Speaker 4: what's your reaction to that news?
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Speaker 3: Because that was just kind of stunning.
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Speaker 10: I'm shocked that we are hearing it for the first
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Speaker 10: time on day three of cross examination of Michael Cohen,
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Speaker 10: that the prosecution did not take the sting out, did
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Speaker 10: not front it, because it goes to the heart of
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Speaker 10: the actual case. It's not just about establishing him as
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Speaker 10: a liar. They've done that. The prosecution fronted that. We
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Speaker 10: knew that he has convictions, but going to the heart
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Speaker 10: of what you were telling your employer about what money
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Speaker 10: you were owed and the extent of it. We're talking
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Speaker 10: about four hundred and twenty thousand dollars. We've already seen
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Speaker 10: the paper started like fifteen bucks, not afteen bux and
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Speaker 10: we I mean, if you think are the tablet you
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Speaker 10: can break down what was already known. We've known about
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Speaker 10: what the breakdown of the money is. One hundred and
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Speaker 10: thirty thousand dollars to Daniels and her attorney.
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Speaker 3: You got fifty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 10: It's Redfinch.
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Speaker 3: This is important here.
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Speaker 10: This was mentioned today that he only gave Redfinch twenty
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Speaker 10: thousand dollars and handed.
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Speaker 3: Them in a brown paper bag.
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Speaker 10: By the way, just the game, that is, And just
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Speaker 10: one quick note.
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Speaker 4: Redfinch is this political organization that apparently, according to Michael Cohen,
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Speaker 4: helped them goose these bogus internet polls about which candidate
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Speaker 4: is in the lead, et cetera, et cetera, and also,
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Speaker 4: according to Landy Davis, provided adoring fans for Trump's announcement
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Speaker 4: of his candidacy in June twenty fifteenth.
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Speaker 10: Sorry, really important point to add. Why this is they
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Speaker 10: only got twenty thousand of it, talking though the bill
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Speaker 10: was for fifty thousand dollars, and you have one hundred
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Speaker 10: and eighty thousand dollars, which is again the double of
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Speaker 10: these two combinations.
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Speaker 3: And then a bonus for Cohen.
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Speaker 10: Remember all that we have so far to link Donald
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Speaker 10: Trump to these payments, in part is the statement that
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Speaker 10: quote unquote he approved it. We also know we have
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Speaker 10: information about where the checks were, how it was signed.
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Speaker 10: But remember mcconnie, that was one of the comptrollers of
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Speaker 10: the Trump organization taking notes from Alan Weiselberg about the
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Speaker 10: money payment. So this is part of what we're talking about.
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Speaker 10: Why this is so important here is because the heart
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Speaker 10: of the matter is that Donald Trump was complicit cause
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Speaker 10: to have this happen and knew about the money that
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Speaker 10: was going and why if they can establish Michael Callway
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Speaker 10: to somebody who is not to be trusted about the
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Speaker 10: amount of money as well, then they might be able
17:07
Speaker 10: to suggest that Donald Trump had no idea what he
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Speaker 10: was saying.
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Speaker 3: So I love it.
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Speaker 1: They're like having to admit, okay, So there's a good
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Speaker 1: chance now that the jury may actually be convinced that
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump had no idea what this scumbag lawyer was doing,
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Speaker 1: including a guy that was stealing from his boss while
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Speaker 1: he's claiming, you gotta believe me now, and that's in
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Speaker 1: the only ones having a meltdown. By the way, on CNN,
17:31
Speaker 1: take a listen to this. This is what Flitzerer having
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Speaker 1: a conversation about this shock moment.
17:36
Speaker 3: Here's what they said on his show.
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Speaker 11: Truly amazing stuff that's going on right now. So I'm
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Speaker 11: truly studying moments in the courtroom to be sure. Earlier today,
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Speaker 11: Cohen admitting to stashing tens of thousands of dollars from
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Speaker 11: Trump back in twenty sixteen that was intended to go
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Speaker 11: to a technology company. Trump attorney Todd Blanche asking him
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Speaker 11: directly and I'm quoting now, so you stole from the
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Speaker 11: Trump War organization, Cohen replying, quote, yes, sir.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine CNN right now, like they're like, holy crap, right, like,
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Speaker 1: we got to cover this. This is the same left
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Speaker 1: wing media, by the way, that gave all the credit
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Speaker 1: billion in the world to Michael Cohen, a guy they
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Speaker 1: put on TV twenty four to seven as soon as
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Speaker 1: he started trashing Donald Trump, who is a felon and
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Speaker 1: a liar. And now they're shocked that this felon and
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Speaker 1: liar who they gave credibility to made him famous, have
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Speaker 1: have handed him over four million dollars in profits of
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Speaker 1: for And don't tell me there's somebody making you can't
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Speaker 1: make a living ripping on Donald Trump. This dude went
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Speaker 1: Now former Assistant DA Eric Hirshman saying this on Fox
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Speaker 1: News Channel about what just happened.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen.
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Speaker 12: It's hard to understand how the judge is not going
20:49
Speaker 12: to grant a directed verdict since there's no evidence that
20:52
Speaker 12: links President Trump to any record keeping whatsoever. I just
20:56
Speaker 12: don't understand it, and I don't think all of my
20:59
Speaker 12: colleague and all the people that I worked with in
21:01
Speaker 12: the DA's office have all said to me, Eric, go
21:04
Speaker 12: out and talk about this.
21:06
Speaker 3: You have the experience to address it.
21:08
Speaker 12: And they're actually all unanimously, whether they like President Trump
21:12
Speaker 12: or never trumpers have said they're embarrassed by the DA's
21:16
Speaker 12: office bringing this type of case and is destroyed the
21:20
Speaker 12: integrity of my old office.
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Speaker 1: It has destroyed the integrity of my old office. The
21:27
Speaker 1: never Trumper just said they're embarrassed. It's destroying the integrity
21:29
Speaker 1: of my old office. Is a former assistant DA in
21:33
Speaker 1: this office that brought this case saying we are embarrassed
21:37
Speaker 1: by it, as they should be embarrassed by it. But
21:41
Speaker 1: they're gonna let them get away with this because there
21:44
Speaker 1: will be nothing that happens to Michael Cohen.
21:47
Speaker 3: He stole from the Trump organization.
21:51
Speaker 1: And you can see it again go back to what
21:53
Speaker 1: Jake Tapper said, and Jake Tapper had no problem having
21:55
Speaker 1: Michael Cohen on's show. This is the reason why I
21:57
Speaker 1: can't stand Jake Tapper. He is such a fraud when
22:01
Speaker 1: it comes to like and he always walks around like, oh,
22:03
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist, like I have integrity.
22:06
Speaker 3: Dude.
22:07
Speaker 1: You put all the people on your show for years
22:11
Speaker 1: that were accusing Donald Trump Russian collusion that we're lying
22:15
Speaker 1: and you never apologize your audience. You never said you
22:17
Speaker 1: regret it. You never said, hey, we misled you or
22:19
Speaker 1: lie to you. You guy gave them a platform, and
22:21
Speaker 1: then when it comes out it's not true, you're like,
22:23
Speaker 1: all right, move on. You gave airtime to Michael Cohen,
22:27
Speaker 1: Your network made Michael Cohen famous, and now all of
22:31
Speaker 1: a sudden that it comes out that the guy is
22:33
Speaker 1: a convicted liar and fraud and then he was defrauding
22:36
Speaker 1: the Trump organization. I'm still reeling from this, like what
22:40
Speaker 1: you couldn't see it coming? Like, seriously, you couldn't figure
22:44
Speaker 1: this out that a guy that lie lied under before
22:47
Speaker 1: and went to jail for lying may have lied about
22:51
Speaker 1: other things on your show where you guys were propping
22:53
Speaker 1: him up.
22:53
Speaker 3: And look, they didn't care.
22:55
Speaker 1: The reason why they didn't care was real simple, Okay,
22:59
Speaker 1: they didn't care because they wanted it to be true
23:02
Speaker 1: because they hated Trump.
23:04
Speaker 3: And even if it.
23:05
Speaker 1: Wasn't true, and they knew it was hurting Trump, that's
23:07
Speaker 1: all that mattered. Let's hurt Trump. Donald Trump, as you
23:13
Speaker 1: know in this court case, has been put under a
23:16
Speaker 1: gag order, so there's a lot that he can say
23:18
Speaker 1: and an awful lot that he can't say. He did
23:22
Speaker 1: come out in front of the press and I want
23:24
Speaker 1: you to hear part of what he said.
23:26
Speaker 13: So thank you very much saw.
23:28
Speaker 1: What we saw.
23:30
Speaker 13: That's an incredible desplatin to say they want it in
23:33
Speaker 13: my life.
23:34
Speaker 14: The tired and everyone's talking about it.
23:39
Speaker 13: This is what we have gact judge void to judge
23:44
Speaker 13: by demons, by the club and thinking being allus. This
23:49
Speaker 13: is a fourth week or fifth wid I campaigning. But
23:54
Speaker 13: you saw what happened once just took place in that
23:56
Speaker 13: quarter and hopefully the emotion he dismissed this trial will
24:01
Speaker 13: go through because this trial is a disaster for our contry.
24:04
Speaker 15: It's a disaster for New.
24:06
Speaker 14: York State, newyorga sagy that Greg Jerry just says, where
24:10
Speaker 14: exactly is the grime to quote a lumber over line
24:14
Speaker 14: from Shakespeare's Love I don't know. It's a mystery.
24:18
Speaker 15: There is just no prime.
24:20
Speaker 3: Andy McCarthy.
24:21
Speaker 15: If it's unconstitutional for Texas doing force general Undergradi Olds,
24:26
Speaker 15: how is it constitutional for New York to enforced federal
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Speaker 15: electure roll They're going by federal law.
24:32
Speaker 14: Fever happened because where nobody's ever seen anything like this,
24:35
Speaker 14: This is a witch children.
24:37
Speaker 3: This is a witch children.
24:39
Speaker 13: This is true Cambridge cricket.
24:41
Speaker 15: Joe Byen, the worst president of the history of York
24:43
Speaker 15: gone free by far, by far.
24:46
Speaker 13: To damage his political abu if that's all.
24:50
Speaker 14: This is highly political judge, a totally conflicted judge who
24:57
Speaker 14: just is.
24:57
Speaker 3: Something that nobody's in to see it, and the press
25:01
Speaker 3: is not happy.
25:01
Speaker 15: I don't imagine they're just got thrown at him any
25:03
Speaker 15: one house.
25:05
Speaker 13: Nobody's ever seen any played by a game.
25:09
Speaker 3: No one has ever seen anything quite like it.
25:11
Speaker 1: This trial is a disaster for our country, by the way.
25:15
Speaker 1: He's right, And remember there's certain things you can't talk
25:17
Speaker 1: about about, like you know, Michael Cohen stealing from him
25:22
Speaker 1: like that. That's a problem here that he can't talk
25:26
Speaker 1: about it because they're not letting him talk about it.
25:30
Speaker 3: Even MSNBC.
25:31
Speaker 1: They're trying to rehab Michael Cohen right now and saying
25:35
Speaker 1: this about Michael Cohen.
25:37
Speaker 16: I mean, Donnie, we won't know tilts Ober right we
25:40
Speaker 16: landed with the jury and what didn't and if Michael
25:43
Speaker 16: Cohen can be undone, if all nineteen days could be undone,
25:47
Speaker 16: but I it was the twentieth day, Thursday after Toddlande
25:51
Speaker 16: bombs on his first day, right, cossing Michael conn after
25:53
Speaker 16: three days a trek. If it could be undone with
25:56
Speaker 16: one question that one day and then that creates us
25:59
Speaker 16: no all effect that he followed up on today, then
26:02
Speaker 16: they probably didn't have a very good case because you
26:04
Speaker 16: would have to believe then you have to believe that
26:07
Speaker 16: David Pecker and have Picks and wester Hout and keep
26:12
Speaker 16: David Simmer all in on it, right, that they were
26:14
Speaker 16: all in and that that and I actually thought the
26:16
Speaker 16: moment that Michael Cohen made the whole room crack. I'm
26:18
Speaker 16: not just a jury but everybody in it, according to transcripts,
26:21
Speaker 16: because he said, is it better for you Trump, you know,
26:23
Speaker 16: is convicted or not?
26:24
Speaker 7: He says, probably better for maybe he's not.
26:26
Speaker 3: And I'm still out there paying on it. I mean,
26:28
Speaker 3: that's true, like the idea that anyway say it again.
26:32
Speaker 17: And of course I've watched Michael interact with a lot
26:36
Speaker 17: of people over the years, and some people who are
26:38
Speaker 17: fans and some people that are not fans, and he
26:41
Speaker 17: has this, he has all those rough edges and all
26:45
Speaker 17: the lies and all this, but there's something compelling about
26:49
Speaker 17: him at the same.
26:49
Speaker 3: Time, you kind of believe it warts and all.
26:52
Speaker 17: So I don't think you know by the way he's
26:54
Speaker 17: he's lighting in front of Congress's he's a character, He's
26:58
Speaker 17: somebody who would be in a.
26:59
Speaker 3: Moment movie as a fixer or whatnot. That doesn't mean
27:02
Speaker 3: you don't believe his story.
27:03
Speaker 17: And the fact that out of twenty five hours on
27:05
Speaker 17: the stand there was one moment where he got confused
27:08
Speaker 17: where they cleaned it up afterwards. I don't think particularly
27:10
Speaker 17: all the corroboration that's on there, right, And you also
27:13
Speaker 17: don't have to believe that who's going to pay money
27:15
Speaker 17: on their own for Richard?
27:19
Speaker 1: I love other doing this, like Michael Cohen has all
27:22
Speaker 1: those rough edges, this is Zach word and all the lies,
27:25
Speaker 1: but there's something compelling about him, so you should believe him.
27:29
Speaker 1: This is MSNBC, like, under no circumstances will they just
27:33
Speaker 1: tell you? And notice how they didn't mention the real
27:36
Speaker 1: lie here, like, Hey, you just brought your witness, the
27:39
Speaker 1: guy that you're supposed to trust, who's a convicted liar,
27:41
Speaker 1: lied to Congress, who's lied on the stand down multiple times,
27:44
Speaker 1: who just admitted to embezzling tens of thousands of dollars
27:48
Speaker 1: from Donald Trump and has made four million plus hours
27:52
Speaker 1: off of ripping on Donald Trump since he's been convicted,
27:56
Speaker 1: and says I'll make more money probably if he's not convicted,
28:00
Speaker 1: because then I can keep banging on him and then
28:03
Speaker 1: they tell you, yeah, I mean, look, I know he's
28:05
Speaker 1: rough around the edges, but I mean he's a compelling guy.
28:09
Speaker 3: I don't know what world they're living in.
28:12
Speaker 1: But when MSNBC's trying to spin it this way, like, well,
28:16
Speaker 1: but he's I mean, he's rough around the edges, but
28:17
Speaker 1: he's just a compelling guy. He just stole money from
28:21
Speaker 1: the person he's saying is the bad guy here, Like
28:25
Speaker 1: he's stole tens of thousands of dollars and admitted, you
28:28
Speaker 1: did you steal from the organization? Yes, yes, I did, Yes,
28:32
Speaker 1: I stole from the Trump organization. And even Lawrence o'donald
28:37
Speaker 1: on MSNBC coming out because they must have gotten like
28:39
Speaker 1: the word okay that is like they must have gotten
28:44
Speaker 1: the word that, hey, we got to save this guy, right,
28:47
Speaker 1: we got to say, Michael Cohen, he's too important to
28:50
Speaker 1: the case. So Lawrence o'donald goes out there on MSNBC
28:54
Speaker 1: and says, well, but he kind of had a right
28:56
Speaker 1: to steal the money because he thought he was owed
28:58
Speaker 1: more money in a bonus.
29:00
Speaker 18: Are you at?
29:00
Speaker 7: MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell hosted The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell,
29:04
Speaker 7: who has been inside the courtroom even there almost every day.
29:07
Speaker 3: You have the strength of.
29:12
Speaker 8: Beyond mortal men.
29:14
Speaker 3: But what was what was worth.
29:15
Speaker 6: It to you today?
29:16
Speaker 3: What did you see? What did you hear?
29:20
Speaker 18: Well, you know, the courtroom is where I began as
29:22
Speaker 18: a writer and a reporter a long time ago, So
29:25
Speaker 18: this is a home coming for me in terms of
29:27
Speaker 18: a workplace. The shocking thing at the end of that
29:31
Speaker 18: cross examination, and I just can't tell you how just
29:35
Speaker 18: how stunning it was, because it's the thing that I
29:37
Speaker 18: was waiting for. I saw everything, Todd blanche. I've seen
29:40
Speaker 18: every minute of cross examination. I've seen every single question
29:43
Speaker 18: he's asked. And he sat down and ended his cross
29:48
Speaker 18: examination without asking a single question about the one hundred
29:54
Speaker 18: and thirty thousand dollars that appears on the Alan Weiselberg
29:59
Speaker 18: note about how they were structuring the payment to Michael Collen.
30:05
Speaker 18: He asked about the fifty thousand dollars that's irrelevant to
30:09
Speaker 18: the one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, And that's where
30:12
Speaker 18: he very effectively got Michael Collen to say to agree
30:16
Speaker 18: that yes, he stole thirty thousand dollars. Later, when Colin
30:20
Speaker 18: was asked about that on redirect by the prosecution, it
30:23
Speaker 18: didn't really sound like stealing thirty thousand dollars.
30:26
Speaker 3: It sounded a lot like Michael Cohen, like like what
30:29
Speaker 3: in the world, Like what world are you living in?
30:31
Speaker 3: He asked.
30:32
Speaker 1: And again I quote when Coen was asked about that
30:34
Speaker 1: on diirect by the prosecution, it didn't really sound like
30:37
Speaker 1: stealing thirty thousand dollars. They just asked him directly, did
30:40
Speaker 1: you steal thirty thousand dollars from the Trump organization?
30:44
Speaker 3: And his response was yes, sir.
30:46
Speaker 1: And then they sit there they say, Wow, it doesn't
30:48
Speaker 1: really sound like like it doesn't really sound like he
30:54
Speaker 1: stole thirty thousand dollars. Like everybody calmed down. He just
30:58
Speaker 1: admitted to stealing thirty thousand dollars. They asked him, did
31:01
Speaker 1: you steal the money?
31:02
Speaker 17: Yes?
31:03
Speaker 1: And who pays that much money? By the way, in
31:05
Speaker 1: a bag of cash? Like he's still I mean a
31:09
Speaker 1: bag of cash fifty comes in, you give twenty to
31:11
Speaker 1: the Trump organization.
31:12
Speaker 3: You keep the other thirty skimming off the top.
31:14
Speaker 1: And it's like, why, well, I thought I'd deserve more
31:16
Speaker 1: money from the Trump campaign and our Trump organization and
31:19
Speaker 1: a bonus. So therefore I just decided, screw it, I'm
31:21
Speaker 1: just gonna steal a bunch of money. I'm sorry what
31:25
Speaker 1: And then MSNBC tries to rehab it, like, hey, look,
31:28
Speaker 1: we gotta say, we gotta say, Michael Cohen, how do
31:30
Speaker 1: we do it?
31:31
Speaker 3: Well, that's easy, no problem.
31:34
Speaker 1: We'll just say that when you steal something, it doesn't
31:36
Speaker 1: actually sound like he's stealing it, and go on TV
31:38
Speaker 1: and all you guys say, this isn't a big deal,
31:40
Speaker 1: and he's still trustworthy somehow, some way, like he's somehow trustworthy,
31:46
Speaker 1: and just you know, act like he's trustworthy. It'll be
31:49
Speaker 1: totally fine, and we'll just you know, our audience doesn't
31:53
Speaker 1: want to hear that Michael Cohen's a liar. Our audience
31:56
Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear that Michael Cohen is is a scumeback.
31:59
Speaker 3: There was only I go back to the one of the.
32:01
Speaker 1: First piece of audio that I played for you, Okay,
32:04
Speaker 1: and that was right when this happened in Fox News Channel.
32:08
Speaker 3: Read the transcript.
32:09
Speaker 1: If anybody's being intellectually honest over at MSNBC or CNN
32:13
Speaker 1: or ABCNBCCBS, this is the lead tonight and this is
32:16
Speaker 1: what they should read to the American people, but they
32:18
Speaker 1: won't do it.
32:18
Speaker 2: Finch and Cohen confirms that he owed Redfinch fifty grand
32:24
Speaker 2: and never paid the full cash. Trump's attorney Bland says,
32:29
Speaker 2: you stole from the Trump organization.
32:31
Speaker 3: Cohen says, yes, sir.
32:33
Speaker 2: He also confirms Lyne to Alan Weiselberg, I don't know
32:36
Speaker 2: how many of that is on the list, but that's
32:39
Speaker 2: that's another prevarication. And Cohen says he never pleaded guilty
32:42
Speaker 2: to larsony On they go. Blanche presses Cohen, you did
32:46
Speaker 2: seal from the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement
32:49
Speaker 2: of Redfinch, and he says yes, sir.
32:51
Speaker 3: So he says yes, sir. He says yes, sir.
32:57
Speaker 1: Like that's the whole ballgame, folks, That's that's the whole thing.
33:03
Speaker 1: He says, yes, sir. Donald Trump saying it this way,
33:07
Speaker 1: this is a witch hunt. It's an attempt to damage
33:10
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's political opponent, that is all that it is.
33:14
Speaker 3: And when Donald Trump said it, he's right, where.
33:18
Speaker 14: Nobody's ever seen anything like this, this is said, this
33:22
Speaker 14: is a witch child. This is to damage Crooked Joe.
33:26
Speaker 13: Biden, the worst president of the issue.
33:28
Speaker 15: We are going to treat by far, by far to
33:31
Speaker 15: damage his political movement.
33:34
Speaker 7: That's all.
33:34
Speaker 14: This is the highly political judge, a totally conflicted judge,
33:41
Speaker 14: who just did something that nobody's ever seen it.
33:44
Speaker 3: And the press is not happy.
33:46
Speaker 13: I don't imagine they just got thrown out him a moodouse.
33:50
Speaker 1: Nobody's ever seen anybody, no one's ever seen anything quite
33:53
Speaker 1: like it. If there's anything that this administration does and
33:57
Speaker 1: does well today, let me rephrase that. If there's anything
34:00
Speaker 1: that the defense should do and do well today, it
34:05
Speaker 1: should be this.
34:07
Speaker 3: When they go.
34:10
Speaker 1: To this whole thing at the very end and they
34:15
Speaker 1: wrap it up, they need to say, hey, Michael Cohen,
34:18
Speaker 1: this is his resume, y'all, this is what you're supposed
34:21
Speaker 1: to trust. A convicted felon, a perjurer, a Democrat star witness.
34:27
Speaker 1: It is law fair campaign against President Trump. He's made
34:30
Speaker 1: over four million dollars doing it, and now he's admitted
34:33
Speaker 1: to a theft stealing money from Donald Trump in twenty sixteen.
34:38
Speaker 1: And this is the guy that you're supposed to trust today,
34:41
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34:46
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