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Reality Television Producer Carlos King talks Real Housewives of Atlanta, Oprah, Love & Marriage: Huntsville · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: guest is an industry decision maker. His name is Carlos King.
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Speaker 1: One of my favorite people and we've never met. He's
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Speaker 1: an executive producer and found of Kingdom Rain, Kingdom Rain
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Speaker 1: Rain Rain, Kingdom Rain Entertainment. He's also known as the
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Speaker 1: King of Reality TV. Carlos is one of the most
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Speaker 1: sought after executive producers and reality TV. With over ten
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Speaker 1: years under his production belt, King, as Carlos King, has
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Speaker 1: quickly created a niche for himself and the docu soap arena.
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Speaker 1: He has produced high profile programs such as eight seasons
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Speaker 1: of The Real Housewives of It To, which we all
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Speaker 1: know is a niche in itself, season twenty five Oprah.
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Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, his production company, Kingdom Rain Entertainment has
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Speaker 1: created such shows A Style in Hollywood for Netflix, Love
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Speaker 1: and Marriage, hunt Field, one of my favorite shows on
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Speaker 1: on Hollywood Divas which on TV one, just to name
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Speaker 1: a few. He recently this is not read about him,
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Speaker 1: but you know, my boy, you know I ready variety
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Speaker 1: know when you get a variety, you know they're talking
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Speaker 1: about don't talk about money variety. No broke people appear
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Speaker 1: variety and listen's in the back sex, he was on
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Speaker 1: the front Sex. He's on the front page where it
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Speaker 1: Well developed original unscripted series for their own network. I
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Speaker 1: always tell people, how do you build your dreams? Well,
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Speaker 1: let's find out how. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation.
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Speaker 1: A return visit for the time of the brilliant one,
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Speaker 1: Mr Collins King, how are you doing to call us?
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Speaker 1: I'm well, thank you so much for that greatness abduction. Well,
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Speaker 1: first of all, call us you know, um, watching your
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Speaker 1: work is is uh is my introduction to the world
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Speaker 1: because of the fact that we get for the first
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Speaker 1: time we see it. Now we can talk and find
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Speaker 1: out how does that mind work? Putting any other these
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Speaker 1: projects because you're dealing with people's lives and it's really impactful.
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Speaker 1: In some ways. These are unscripted, and so you have
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Speaker 1: to kind of like set the scene like I think, uh,
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Speaker 1: Larry David or HBO kind of has an unscripted show
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Speaker 1: where people walk in the kind of set up the scene.
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Speaker 1: But it's from a comedy perspective, so you know that direction,
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Speaker 1: so you could be throwing some curves when you're developing
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Speaker 1: these shows. So talk about the process to my viewers
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Speaker 1: and listeners in the world of reality. Yeah, well again,
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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. And no, it is true when
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Speaker 1: you're dealing with real people and you're producing a reality show,
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Speaker 1: it's very challenging because you really are following the reality
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Speaker 1: of their life and off the time. That means the good,
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Speaker 1: the bad, and the ugly. And that's the reason why
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Speaker 1: my shows are so relatable is because we don't orchestrate
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Speaker 1: anything out of dramas sake. We do such a fantastic
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Speaker 1: job at the company to where we truly immerse ourselves
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Speaker 1: into the lives of our talent. And because it's such
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Speaker 1: bravery and courage for anybody to say, I want to
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Speaker 1: let cameras inside my household and into my life. That's
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Speaker 1: the privilege I don't take for granted. So because we
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Speaker 1: have to constantly make sure that the mental health of
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Speaker 1: these people are stable enough to really handle the conversation
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Speaker 1: they're having on camera and then deal with the after
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Speaker 1: effects of it when social media involved themselves. So it
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Speaker 1: is very challenging to produce. When you're doing a scripted show,
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Speaker 1: you have an actor, they're playing character. They get paid
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Speaker 1: to to to say what you wrote, and they get
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Speaker 1: paid to do the action that you directed. So it's
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Speaker 1: much easier in that sense, where in my case, I
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Speaker 1: have to follow real people who have real issues and
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Speaker 1: real story and become I'm so sensitive to them. I
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Speaker 1: make sure that we all work together to put on
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Speaker 1: a good shot. Well, one of the bigger storylines was
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Speaker 1: out of the love and marriage hunt Field. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about your scripted and you're talking about
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Speaker 1: this is not part of you know, you know because
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Speaker 1: all these when the when the story Because I just
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Speaker 1: recently interviewed that Kimmy and Maury Scott fantastic couple, first
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Speaker 1: time I interviewed them, and and they were just saying
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Speaker 1: they were all friends. And that's how you know, Melody
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Speaker 1: came to them with this great idea about the show,
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Speaker 1: and Martell and they all got together and they shot
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Speaker 1: about three pilots with you before it was finally picked up.
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Speaker 1: And along the way, this success, you know, this unexpected
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Speaker 1: drama comes out. It was just reality. Your reality shows.
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Speaker 1: Guess what, you can't change what happens because it's real
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Speaker 1: and that was the relationship breakup of Melody and Martel
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Speaker 1: from a crisis management How do you look at that
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Speaker 1: and how did you kind of like hold it together
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Speaker 1: respectfully and not try to explore it. Great question because
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Speaker 1: there's a fine line within that. And the main thing
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Speaker 1: that I did that a lot of other reality reality
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Speaker 1: producers don't do is I ask permission. First. I said, hey,
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Speaker 1: because you're telling me this is what you're going through,
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Speaker 1: are you comfortable sharing that on camera? Because my job
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Speaker 1: is to follow the reel. And what would be so
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Speaker 1: unfortunate is if the entire town knows about this infidelity
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Speaker 1: and you're on TV pretending you're in a great marriage,
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Speaker 1: you are going to lose in the end because when
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Speaker 1: people watch reality TV, they want to see authenticity. So
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Speaker 1: the permission that I asked Melody and Martell was, if
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Speaker 1: you trust me to handle this story with tender love
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Speaker 1: and care, I promise you would come out of this
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Speaker 1: never fully exploited, and at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: you courtesy of being transparent, You're going to affect a
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Speaker 1: lot of black households who are dealing with this issue,
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Speaker 1: and they will look to you as to what to
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Speaker 1: do right and what to do wrong, and all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, you're going to become the voice of this
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Speaker 1: topic and the voice of this topic because you know Melody,
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Speaker 1: you know she's come out of this as a uh
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Speaker 1: mom entrepreneur, you know, powerful, strong, Uh look fantastic and uh.
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Speaker 1: And sometimes when I look at the show, I look
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Speaker 1: at Martel confused, this is my this is me talking
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Speaker 1: um angry, don't know the direction he wants to go
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Speaker 1: with his life. And so you, as a producer, you
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Speaker 1: see these things happening, do you give advice or do
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Speaker 1: you just let it play off and say, this is
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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Are you comfortable what we're gonna do?
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Speaker 1: Or do you ever offer advice to the individuals who
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Speaker 1: are playing out these real life characters? Carlos, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: do live in a boat. So primarily I followed the
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Speaker 1: reality of what they're going through because because what I
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Speaker 1: like for my audience to see again is the authenticity
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Speaker 1: of someone dealing with pain and joy. Right, So when Martell,
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Speaker 1: when you watch the show and you see Martell struggling
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Speaker 1: with light after divorce. Yes, I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: black men, specifically black men, and they may have stepped
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Speaker 1: outside of their marriage and their wives leave them. They
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Speaker 1: struggle with the realization that my infidelity ruined this, this
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Speaker 1: relationship that I adored and and and who am I
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Speaker 1: outside of being married to this woman who we were
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Speaker 1: a partner in all of this. And I think you're
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Speaker 1: seeing some regret or Martel's behalf. And as a black
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Speaker 1: man producing the show, I cannot sit back watch this
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Speaker 1: man go through this pain and not offer some sort
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Speaker 1: of advice to help from heal. So I definitely have
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Speaker 1: you know the thing about it is that you said
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Speaker 1: it earlier about social media, because that's one of the
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Speaker 1: biggest churches and benefits of modern day success, you know.
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Speaker 1: But the reality TV it can be even worse because,
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Speaker 1: unlike a script, you're just playing a carec that's my
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Speaker 1: carrec they told me to write that, you know, where
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Speaker 1: realities show. How does social media work for you? And
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Speaker 1: how do you tell a talent because they are talents,
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Speaker 1: really is Kimmy, he really is more reaches, she really
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Speaker 1: is a teacher, teacher. All these people are going to
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Speaker 1: the grocery store being themselves. So social media can be
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Speaker 1: very painful in the world of social media. Do you
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Speaker 1: encourage them to do social media or that's that's their
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Speaker 1: own thing. You walk away. They grown people, They deal
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Speaker 1: with it what they have to deal with it. I
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Speaker 1: discouraged them for reading the comments on social social media. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think you have to use social media what it's for,
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Speaker 1: and that's engagement, and that is promoting whatever vehicle you
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Speaker 1: have to to get the word out. And once he posts,
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Speaker 1: you leave right. You don't stay on the red because
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Speaker 1: the number one to say I can make is read
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Speaker 1: comments of what other people are saying about them. Because
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Speaker 1: what I've learned through social media, and I love social media,
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Speaker 1: but I learned this, the meanest comments get the most reaction.
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Speaker 1: So it's a game that people on social media are
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Speaker 1: playing in terms of how can I trump this comment
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Speaker 1: so that mind can get the most traction. In order
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Speaker 1: to do that, you have to get meaner and nastier,
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Speaker 1: and that can really affect so much mental health. So
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Speaker 1: I tell my reality stars, do not read the comment
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Speaker 1: because it will ruin your day. Yes, that will remain
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Speaker 1: me ruin your life if you just keep reading that
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Speaker 1: feed on a daily basis. But they don't started somewhere
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Speaker 1: else for you, not on we just talked about the
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Speaker 1: current success. When did you realize how did you get
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Speaker 1: into the game. You know, we've had this conversation before.
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Speaker 1: We have new listeners and new views, but I want
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Speaker 1: to talk because I want everybody wants to do what
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Speaker 1: you do. Calls okay, but again, you have a gift
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Speaker 1: and I tell people, you know, I was a sitcom
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Speaker 1: writer and believe there were more talented sitcom writers than me,
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Speaker 1: and I could tell there was a difference between just
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Speaker 1: like there's a difference between the Michael Jordan's and a
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Speaker 1: player who was drafted in the first round. Their talents,
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Speaker 1: and you have that special gift, that that certain I
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Speaker 1: what makes you so special? And I'm not saying that
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Speaker 1: in a negative way, but obviously you see things different.
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Speaker 1: Call os, why and how did that? How was it
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Speaker 1: introduced to you when you first got into reality television.
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Speaker 1: Because I was a kid who was sort of a
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Speaker 1: nerd going up to Detroit. I would watch endless hours
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Speaker 1: of television, which included everything from the Oprah Winfrey Show
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Speaker 1: to the local news two. I'm a kid watching the
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Speaker 1: datelin NBC like I was a student, uh, people, I
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Speaker 1: was a student of character. I was a student of knowledge,
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Speaker 1: and because of that, I thought I would become a
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Speaker 1: psychologist because I just love to get in the minds
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Speaker 1: of people and and really understand their behavior. So, because
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Speaker 1: I had all of that education growing up, when I
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Speaker 1: decided to major and journalism in college and minor psychology,
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Speaker 1: I took both um gifts that I had a journalism
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Speaker 1: and psychology and applied it to what I do today.
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Speaker 1: So when I got an internship at BT, I just
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Speaker 1: started to really climb the ladder and I got a
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Speaker 1: job there, and I got offered to do a reality
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Speaker 1: show because my friends and the business knew that I
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Speaker 1: loved reality TV. And the first reality show I was offered,
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Speaker 1: funny enough, was The Real Housewife of Atlanta. It was
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Speaker 1: a brand new show in two thousand and eight, and
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Speaker 1: it was my first pray into reality. So when you
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Speaker 1: talk about a gift, I think it's the gift of
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Speaker 1: the fact that I studied people, so I know people,
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Speaker 1: I know behavior, and I know a star within five
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Speaker 1: seconds of talking to that awesome. But also, let's let's
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Speaker 1: talk about reality coming into it, because there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of negative about being that reality game. You know,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't real, it was it was cheesy, it was offensive.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the h a lot of the shows
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Speaker 1: are really aggressive, also show black women in a very
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Speaker 1: negative light. So how did you, being a guy who's
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Speaker 1: a fan of reality TV, how did you say? Did
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Speaker 1: you have a vision call us when you came on
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Speaker 1: board and say I'm not gonna do that type of
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Speaker 1: reality TV? This is why I want to approach you.
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Speaker 1: Talk about that whole approach of organizing, that thought process
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Speaker 1: of you coming into the reality game. Okay cool, I'm
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Speaker 1: with you. Okay cool. So when I got my star
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Speaker 1: in reality TV again, my first show was The Royal
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Speaker 1: Housewife in Atlanta, and obviously that was a very entertaining
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Speaker 1: show that had a lot of arguments and big fights
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Speaker 1: and things like that. Because that show wasn't produced by
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Speaker 1: a company that I started, I was a worker b
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Speaker 1: who followed the guidelines of how to produce that particular show.
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Speaker 1: And the moment I became the executive producer of that show,
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Speaker 1: a ship happened in my thought of let's make it
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Speaker 1: less about these cat fights and more about what's happening
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Speaker 1: inside the households of these people. So that the season
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Speaker 1: that I became the executive producer is the highest rated
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Speaker 1: season of that show to date. The moment that happened
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Speaker 1: is when I decided to start my company, Kingdom Rank Entertainment,
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Speaker 1: because I did have a consciousness of saying I know
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Speaker 1: a lot of Black people who wanted the reality TV
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Speaker 1: but they think they have to sell their soul and
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Speaker 1: have a physical altercation to make that happen. And I
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Speaker 1: wanted to be the alternative to that. So when you
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Speaker 1: watch Love and Marriage Huntsville, for example, you see these
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Speaker 1: beautiful black people who are successful. That's only showing you
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Speaker 1: what really is happening in their lives, in their households.
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Speaker 1: And that show has become the number one show on
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Speaker 1: the network and there has not been a physical altercation
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Speaker 1: on that show. So that proves of people. When you
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Speaker 1: build something that is true to you, people will come
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Speaker 1: where it was. It was one that came close well,
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Speaker 1: I believe when the where the Martel was on the
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Speaker 1: patio with with Melody and he told her why she
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Speaker 1: why he cheated on her because she blah blah blah blah,
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Speaker 1: and she threw some many come on, call U the collum.
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Speaker 1: I had to shot out that scared y'all, call that
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Speaker 1: scared y'all? No, you are accurate. So was what what
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Speaker 1: was very tally about that bump man colors? You don't
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Speaker 1: tell no black woman come another woman does better. That's
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Speaker 1: where I got from it, and I think a lot
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Speaker 1: of men watch that show and said, I'm gonna keep
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Speaker 1: my mouth shut, dude to call us. When he said that,
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Speaker 1: I was like, are you kidding me? Dude? Are you
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Speaker 1: really kidding me? In front of friends, Cameras are rolling,
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna see this to Melodie and she's not
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Speaker 1: going to react on this show. I saw that bad
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Speaker 1: when if I IF I you know, you know when
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Speaker 1: growing up calls you your your your parents are popping
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Speaker 1: in the back of the head. They should have popped
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Speaker 1: so one of you should have came out of the audience.
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Speaker 1: You should came out front the care and say, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna tell them about do something that your parents did
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Speaker 1: to you when you was a kid. I'm a popular
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Speaker 1: in the back, your big dumb head. I laughed so,
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Speaker 1: but I also felt so bad because I went, dude,
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Speaker 1: you know that was that was uncalled for. But that
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Speaker 1: that's the closest you've come on that show. Because she
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Speaker 1: threw something. I swear to you she threw it for real,
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Speaker 1: She threw it in for real. She she has good aim.
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Speaker 1: I'll say that, Well, the beauty of you callers is that,
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Speaker 1: you know, Oprah Winfred you said early in your conversation
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Speaker 1: that you watched The Growing Up. And I'm gonna just
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Speaker 1: share an example of me. Sometimes when you get in
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Speaker 1: the position, you meet stars or you and you kind
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Speaker 1: of like pull back a little bit. You feel like
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Speaker 1: in the rain though I don't really belong here, this
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Speaker 1: really happening to me. And then you realize, hey, this stop, stop,
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Speaker 1: stop all that ignorance. It is happening to you because
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Speaker 1: your work has put you there. Just happen to you,
20:50
Speaker 1: because the respect has put you there. It's happening to
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Speaker 1: you because you're supposed to be there. When did all
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Speaker 1: that coming to you? Because because I know you, we
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Speaker 1: share similar qualities, so we've of for a humble you know.
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Speaker 1: I come from a nerdy background, you know, and and uh,
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Speaker 1: some people I tell people I was shot, and look,
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Speaker 1: you never shot where It's just I was, you know,
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Speaker 1: Yes I was, Yes, I was, you know, And so
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Speaker 1: I just had to fight through it and then realized
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Speaker 1: that my opinion mattered in my opinion matters, then you
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