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George and the Experience Treadmill · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: The following show includes stories of soundbaths, ketamine, Pittsburgh, improv, comedy, dating,
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Speaker 1: and a snake curse. If any of that defriends you,
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Speaker 1: if you're faint of heart, simply switch this off and
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Speaker 1: fire up one of my many fine films instead. Might
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Speaker 1: I suggest Jurassic Part.
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Speaker 2: So I'm guessing you figure this out? But that wasn't
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Speaker 2: Jeff Goldblum.
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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm George Eva Lotus and I'm a comedian actor
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Speaker 3: nightmare La multi Hyphenett.
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Speaker 2: George is smart and funny and pulls off a great
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Speaker 2: Jeff Goldblum, not just because he sounds like him, but
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Speaker 2: he's also wiry and handsome, with dark features in a
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Speaker 2: young Goldblm. Like most comedians, George is also pretty neurotic,
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Speaker 2: and one of the ways he channels that neurosis is
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Speaker 2: by tracking everything.
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Speaker 3: I write anything down that resonates with me, Like my
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Speaker 3: notes on my phone are like a compulsive compendium. Like
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Speaker 3: if I read a book, I transcribe every passage that
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Speaker 3: matters to me. I do believe in like building your
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Speaker 3: own meaning.
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Speaker 2: His notes are meticulous lists of every book he's read,
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Speaker 2: recipes he's tried, quote stats down to minute details from conversations.
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Speaker 2: So while I could keep trying to paint a picture
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Speaker 2: of George's personality, instead I'm going to let him read
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Speaker 2: the results of just a few of the BuzzFeed quizzes
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Speaker 2: he's taken.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am C three po because I'm neurotic and
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Speaker 3: people pleaser, Sex and the City. I'm a Charlotte. I'm romantic,
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Speaker 3: annoyingly moral, literary character. You are holding call field highly
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Speaker 3: intelligent and sensitive, but also very so. If you don't
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Speaker 3: get it together, you might have an emotional breakdown.
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Speaker 2: Can you even imagine keeping crack of every online personality
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Speaker 2: quiz you've ever taken?
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Speaker 3: Harry Potter, I'm a hufflepuff. I'm loyal, honest and kind dog.
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Speaker 3: I sometimes get accused of being aloof, but I'm just
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Speaker 3: picking perks and rec rob Lowe's character. Your positivity can
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Speaker 3: be off putting, but it's a good and.
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Speaker 2: He's got more he can keep going.
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Speaker 3: Maybe I should just cut two muppets Doctor Bunsen Honeydew,
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Speaker 3: Doctor Bunsen Honey.
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Speaker 2: Do here at Muppet Labs where the future is being
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Speaker 2: made today.
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Speaker 3: You're smart, inventive and stylish.
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Speaker 2: Sat up those time consuming repairs. Yes, George, sees bits
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Speaker 2: of himself in each of these quizzes, like he does
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Speaker 2: love science what can be proven backed up. But in La,
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Speaker 2: in the scene he's in, every person he meets is
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Speaker 2: obsessed with crystals and psychics and human potential and stars.
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Speaker 3: I would say that of the dates I've been on
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Speaker 3: in LA, that will come up like, oh, you're a Gemini. Ugh,
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Speaker 3: aren't you guys crazy?
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Speaker 2: It's just been one dating disaster over and over.
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Speaker 3: Like on our third date, she said, I wonder what
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Speaker 3: you'd be like if you move through the world with confidence.
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Speaker 3: My ex was really confident. He was often on cocaine,
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Speaker 3: but it was incredible how he would walk in a
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Speaker 3: room and just charm everyone.
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Speaker 2: Or the woman who read his stars and insisted you
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Speaker 2: have the same chart as Obama, which is interesting because
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Speaker 2: you're not very presidential. So anytime he falls for a girl,
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Speaker 2: the astrology thing always seems to be a roadblock.
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Speaker 3: Truly, every time a friend would ask, I'd be like,
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Speaker 3: it's wonderful. She's wonderful except for this one thing. She
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Speaker 3: really really believes in astrology.
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Speaker 2: From Kaleidoscope and iHeart Podcast, I'm Mongish Heartigular Welcome the
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Speaker 2: Skyline Drive Chapter one easy target. Back when I started
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Speaker 2: working on this show and ask people what they thought
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Speaker 2: about astrology, everyone immediately wanted to talk about dating. When
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Speaker 2: astrology shows up in a date, you can kind of
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Speaker 2: feel like a slowdown.
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Speaker 3: In traffic, like should.
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Speaker 1: I be looking for ways around us? Or is it
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Speaker 1: going to be quicker or are we just going to.
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Speaker 4: Be sitting here for hours?
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Speaker 2: I think if you make it seriously, I'm kind of
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Speaker 2: putting you in the Mary Anne Williamson anti vaxer camp.
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Speaker 2: Just a little bit.
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Speaker 3: I'm talking to some.
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Speaker 5: Like random person, and really, because I'm a Sagittarius, i
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Speaker 5: am bitch.
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Speaker 6: And it's like, I don't know if that's why your bitch.
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Speaker 5: Actually I do am misch and I'm not a Sagittarius.
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Speaker 2: And truthfully, I'm guessing a lot of you were waiting
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Speaker 2: for our big dating episode. It's not that we didn't
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Speaker 2: do the interviews.
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Speaker 7: I only care about astrology when it relates to love.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I've been on dates where people ask my
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Speaker 4: sign and the problem and maybe this is why I
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Speaker 4: am not so into astrology is that I think I'm
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Speaker 4: the most universally reviled sign, which is Gemini.
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Speaker 7: I use it more for the signs I shouldn't date,
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Speaker 7: which is like Sagittarius not great Gemini, no way, never
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Speaker 7: a deal breaker.
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Speaker 4: We get a lot of uh haters, And here I
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Speaker 4: am a defying as a we even though I just
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Speaker 4: said a second, I don't believe in it. But nonetheless,
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Speaker 4: there's a lot of Gemini haters out there.
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Speaker 2: Who will say, oh, so you're a duplicitous.
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Speaker 4: Liar, and I'm like, look, I don't even want to
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Speaker 4: try to defend myself against that because it doesn't make
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Speaker 4: any sense in the first place.
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Speaker 7: I asked him what his stosign was and he said Aquarius,
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Speaker 7: and I sent like the ghost face emoji, and he
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Speaker 7: was like, what's the problem.
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Speaker 2: But as I listened to more and more stories about
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Speaker 2: how my friends were interacting with astrology, I realized I
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Speaker 2: wasn't doing a good job of articulating part of what
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Speaker 2: I wanted from this show. Like I was trying to
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Speaker 2: get out how astrology is just this ambient presence in
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Speaker 2: Indian life, this ever present hum that exists in the background.
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Speaker 2: So I asked my friend NUMBERDA about it.
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Speaker 8: In India, the relationship with astrology is like it's like smoking,
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Speaker 8: Like you might not smoke but like you're going to
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Speaker 8: get secondhand astrology anyway.
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Speaker 2: Number of those parents are diplomats, and whether they were
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Speaker 2: posting Russia or Canada or Poland or wherever, she was
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Speaker 2: always teaching new friends about Indian culture, from how to
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Speaker 2: celebrate the vali to why a cup of child pairs
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Speaker 2: so nicely with a chili cheese toast. Her family's whole
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Speaker 2: story is interesting to me. Her parents actually met as
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Speaker 2: students training to join the Foreign service, and.
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Speaker 8: So they were doing all of their training together. And
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Speaker 8: the way that my mom tells the story is, she
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Speaker 8: might kill me a little bit, but that's such a
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Speaker 8: cute story.
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Speaker 2: When her dad met her mom and witnessed her brilliance
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Speaker 2: in classes, he just couldn't get her out of his head.
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Speaker 2: So with each posting he would conveniently figure out a
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Speaker 2: way to be close by.
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Speaker 8: So I think he chased her all around India until
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Speaker 8: she married him. He's stubborn a Taurus and worked.
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Speaker 9: Out for him.
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Speaker 2: Her parents are from very different backgrounds.
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Speaker 8: My mother comes from a Punjabi sick family from New Delhi.
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Speaker 8: My father is from Hindu Uriya family, and so no
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Speaker 8: one would ever arrange their marriage because there are different religions,
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Speaker 8: different languages, different parts of India.
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Speaker 2: Often when you're getting an arranged marriage, families are looking
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Speaker 2: for matches from the same community. So there's little chance
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Speaker 2: that these two would have ever been paired up. But
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Speaker 2: once they fell in love, they just ignored astrology. They
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Speaker 2: found their partner and they didn't need it. But as
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Speaker 2: much as Numbertha has kind of avoided astrology for most
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Speaker 2: of her life, or at least not actively interacted with
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Speaker 2: it as a newly single person, she's found the topic unavoidable.
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Speaker 8: I can stretch your metaphor to death. It did feel
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Speaker 8: like when you'd go to a party and you'd like,
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Speaker 8: you're not a smoke bluestand I was like, just so
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Speaker 8: you could be part of the conversation, hang out and
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Speaker 8: have this moment and like now it'll be like, oh
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Speaker 8: my gosh, like mercury is in retrograde again, and everyone's like,
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Speaker 8: I'm telling you, and then you can start chatting about
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Speaker 8: the weird shit that's happening in your life.
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Speaker 2: In America, astrology tends to be easy shorthand for young romantics,
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Speaker 2: and it's often a crude sorting system.
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Speaker 8: People will just volunteer it for no reason. It'll just
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Speaker 8: be like, here's how how tall I am and I'm
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Speaker 8: a Scorpio, and you're like, wow, that's all I need
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Speaker 8: to know.
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Speaker 2: It's this persistent stereotype that trails you around, allowing people
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Speaker 2: to judge you based on which thirty days you were born,
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Speaker 2: and everyone born in that period is treated like they're
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Speaker 2: exactly the same. But it's funny how even number that
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Speaker 2: gets dragged into this line of thinking.
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Speaker 8: I don't think I'm going into it being like so
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Speaker 8: and so is a Libra and so of course it's
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Speaker 8: never going to work.
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Speaker 9: I don't actually know what that would mean.
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Speaker 8: But I will also do the thing where I'll be like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 8: of course, another Aquarius. For some reason, I keep dating them.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
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Speaker 8: I'm trying go, why are you asking you these questions?
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Speaker 2: I guess maybe we should have done a dating episode,
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Speaker 2: but instead I kept coming back to trees. Well, people
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Speaker 2: who have to marry trees. Let me explain. In India,
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Speaker 2: there's an astrological sign called a munglic. The word literally
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Speaker 2: means Mars cursed. That is, you have Mars occupying your
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Speaker 2: house of love and marriage and that curse will supposedly
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Speaker 2: cause a spouse to die early. Being a Munglic is
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Speaker 2: treated with incredible seriousness. In some cultures, Munglicks are only
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Speaker 2: allowed to marry other Munglics. Luckily, there's a workaround, since
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Speaker 2: the curse only affects your first marriage. A Munglick will
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Speaker 2: often have a first marriage to like a clay pot
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Speaker 2: which you can break afterwards to transfer the curse away.
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Speaker 2: Or some people marry like I mentioned a tree. Once
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Speaker 2: there was a tree and shame loved a little boy.
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Speaker 2: You would climb up a trunk swing. This is way
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Speaker 2: more intense than the giving tree, though there's a full
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Speaker 2: ceremony in everything. This is obviously highly controversial because what
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Speaker 2: does it mean that in a very modern and progressive
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Speaker 2: country individuals end up having to undergo these weddings to
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Speaker 2: satis by a superstition, And because it mostly affects women,
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Speaker 2: or is perceived to the whole thing is seen as
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Speaker 2: anti feminist. Take Eischwe Rai for example. Rai is one
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Speaker 2: of India's most famous celebs, a Bollywood star, former Miss World.
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Speaker 8: I'm not good enough for your mother, and you think
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Speaker 8: I'd want to leave my family for you? After you've
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Speaker 8: ruined my sister's life.
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Speaker 2: She's a Mongolic, and there are media reports that she
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Speaker 2: actually married two trees before she could marry another Indian star.
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Speaker 2: Her father in law, the Bollywood legend Amitab Buttchen, has
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Speaker 2: actually scolded the press saying, where is the tree? Show
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Speaker 2: me the tree, you know, kind of denying the rumors.
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Speaker 2: But it's hard to know what the truth is. Rye's
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Speaker 2: family comes from a culture of steeped and animist in
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Speaker 2: the tradition, but as one of India's most watched celebrities,
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Speaker 2: she's also under intense pressure as a feminist and has
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Speaker 2: a role model for Indian values. So if a tree
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Speaker 2: gets married in the forest, who really knows?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 2: Anyway, That's the kind of astrology I wanted to explore
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Speaker 2: in this series, the strange and fantastic places the stars
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Speaker 2: can take you if you believe in it. But that's
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Speaker 2: not exactly what happened either. Astrology just kept happening to me.
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Speaker 2: It didn't matter whether I believed.
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Speaker 3: Or not.
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Speaker 2: Chapter two, You're a good.
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Speaker 3: Snake, May May.
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Speaker 2: There is no question that George is a romantic, but
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Speaker 2: as he and I talked about dating and love, our
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Speaker 2: conversations just kept getting pulled towards this question.
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Speaker 3: Of belief I was a skeptic from like grade school.
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Speaker 2: George just can't stop questioning things. It's been something innate
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Speaker 2: since his childhood in Pittsburgh, when he was dragged to
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Speaker 2: his family's Greek Orthodox church every week.
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Speaker 3: I was like, this old man in the sky is
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Speaker 3: telling us how to dress. Why does he care what
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Speaker 3: we wear? It's really weird he sees through our clothes.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't make any sense. My dad would be like, just
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Speaker 3: put on a suit.
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Speaker 2: He always felt like kind of a black sheep. He
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Speaker 2: told me he was bullied for being a quote space
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Speaker 2: cadet poet artist even at art school. The competitive nature
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Speaker 2: made him feel like an outcast. And now that he
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Speaker 2: has all these wonderful friends who he really identifies with,
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Speaker 2: except when it comes to New Age beliefs, maybe it's
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Speaker 2: just that he doesn't want to feel left out again.
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Speaker 3: You know, I really wish I believed in this stuff
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Speaker 3: because you and your friends, the spiritual friends, are so
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Speaker 3: much happier, and they have really open hearts too as
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Speaker 3: a result, because they really trust the universe.
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Speaker 2: Which is something I can relate to. My parents had
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Speaker 2: such deep convictions about spirituality and as a kid, I
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Speaker 2: just assumed that the things my parents believed would one
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Speaker 2: day makes sense to me, like on my eighteenth birthday
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Speaker 2: or whatever. I just have this understanding that would snap
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Speaker 2: into place, and until then I just keep going through
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Speaker 2: the motions. But despite claiming he believes in nothing, George
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Speaker 2: seemingly tried everything part of its curiosity. But also he
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Speaker 2: seems particularly amenable whenever a cute.
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Speaker 3: Girl is involved. Like we went to a sound bath.
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Speaker 3: I had friends through Kara reading friends, have you done
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Speaker 3: your human design charge? I was really in touch with
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Speaker 3: this psychic thing called the acasion record this language. She
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Speaker 3: just had a cold read on me.
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Speaker 2: George is engaged with countless experiments of belief. He just
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Speaker 2: can't get off the experienced treadmill. So when another date
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Speaker 2: told him maybe he should try ketamine to counter his
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Speaker 2: depression because it had helped her, of course he tried it.
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Speaker 3: So I found this therapist and she was like, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: ketamine is not what i'd recommend for your what you're
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Speaker 3: going through. You have really negative stories about yourself and
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Speaker 3: a lot of trauma, and you need to sever the
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Speaker 3: ties with those beliefs, and for that, I'd recommend five MEODMT,
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Speaker 3: or the poison of the Sonoran desert toad.
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Speaker 2: To many people inhaling desert toad poison to heal yourself
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Speaker 2: might also seem a little new agy, but because it
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Speaker 2: was presented to George in this scientific way, he was
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Speaker 2: much more comfortable with it, and as the experience grew
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Speaker 2: more intense, George was drawn into this recent memory.
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Speaker 3: My friend and I were on a hike and this
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Speaker 3: garter snake slid across the hiking path really fast, and
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Speaker 3: she jumped back like, oh my God, really scared, like
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Speaker 3: definitely scared. And I was like, immediately I saw I
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Speaker 3: was a garter snake, and I thought, oh, it's harmless.
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Speaker 3: And then while I was tripping, I thought, why do
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Speaker 3: I hurt myself with words and self hate and this depression.
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Speaker 3: I'm so cruel to myself. I wouldn't even hurt a snake.
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Speaker 3: And I don't even like snakes. I feel nothing for them.
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Speaker 3: And I started laughing while I was tripping, and this
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Speaker 3: phrase popped up, which was you're a good snake. And
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Speaker 3: I kept saying, you're a good snake. You're allowed to
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Speaker 3: be here, You're a good snake, You're allowed to be here.
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Speaker 2: All this talk of snakes and shaman and belief and skepticism.
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Speaker 2: It makes me think of this story my mom told
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Speaker 2: me when I interviewed her for this show. Tell me
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Speaker 2: a little bit about pregnancies and bert, you guys had
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Speaker 2: a hard time having me. Was there anything that indicated
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Speaker 2: that you would have a child or wouldn't have a child.
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Speaker 9: No, they didn't read that far, at least they didn't
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Speaker 9: tell us. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: One of the things I don't often talk about is
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Speaker 2: the miracle of my own birth. For a number of years,
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Speaker 2: my parents had one miss carriage after another. They couldn't
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Speaker 2: carry a baby to term. I think my mom ended
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Speaker 2: up in the hospital two or three times, and they
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Speaker 2: had five or six miscarriages. And then when my mom
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Speaker 2: was pregnant with me, my grandfather tried something different. Here's
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Speaker 2: my mom telling the story.
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Speaker 9: He went to the temple in Goa and he lit
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Speaker 9: a lamp and had the priests like a lamp every
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Speaker 9: day for you in your own before you were born.
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Speaker 2: They prayed, they kept the flame going continuously for nine months,
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Speaker 2: and when I was finally born, my parents named me
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Speaker 2: Mungash after that temple in Goa. And so that's one story.
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Speaker 2: The other part is the science part. It's less magical,
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Speaker 2: but equally miraculous. The pregnancy was so high risk that
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Speaker 2: the doctor put my mom on intense bedrest.
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Speaker 9: I was in bed for nine months. Seventh month, he
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Speaker 9: said it could take a little easier. I could sit down,
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Speaker 9: but not walk too much.
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Speaker 2: So why were you high risk?
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Speaker 9: Because they said that my own body wouldn't love the
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Speaker 9: features to grow it, so they had to fool it.
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Speaker 9: And that's what they did.
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Speaker 2: The way my mom explains it, they had to trick
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Speaker 2: her body with thyroid pills and barbituates, and only once
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Speaker 2: they heard my heartbeat they let her get up and
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Speaker 2: start taking baths, but only baths.
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Speaker 9: No shirt, it's no standing up to Wow, pre precious muggiche.
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Speaker 2: These are stories I know, stories I've always known. But
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Speaker 2: as I chatted with my mom, another story cropped up,
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Speaker 2: another possible reason for the miscarriages, and this one I
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Speaker 2: definitely hadn't heard before.
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Speaker 9: Once I got my toomage, they say the curse was
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Speaker 9: on the Hutkuld the family, and it came on to
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Speaker 9: me because I was bringing the progeny in.
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Speaker 2: What's the curse of the hetique of their family?
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Speaker 9: It's something to do with the snakes what.
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Speaker 2: You haven't told me about the suburb before.
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Speaker 9: Every time I got pregnant, I'd see the snake chasing
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Speaker 9: me everywhere.
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Speaker 2: During every miscarriage where they'd often lose the child right
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Speaker 2: before the three month mark, my mom would have these
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Speaker 2: horrible nightmares about snakes.
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Speaker 9: Grew up always in the country with lots of land around.
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Speaker 2: My mom's dad was a chief of forestry, so often
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Speaker 2: they were posted on the edges of jungles where there
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Speaker 2: was no shortage of snakes. They would come into the
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Speaker 2: house to escape the heat and hide in the rolled
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Speaker 2: up carpets. And when the staff would unroll the carpets
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Speaker 2: in the evening to set the home up for big
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Speaker 2: dinners and events, the snakes would try to slither.
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Speaker 9: Out, and then one someone will call another, and then
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Speaker 9: Molly the gardener would come in three and four would
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Speaker 9: come with his mix staffs and the MiG sticks and
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Speaker 9: just hack it to death.
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Speaker 2: My mom, like George, finds real solace in nature. She
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Speaker 2: can identify most flowers and trees, and she is crazy
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Speaker 2: about animals, so of course she couldn't stomach the way
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Speaker 2: these snakes were being treated.
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Speaker 9: The poor poor little thing, so I'm always thought that
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Speaker 9: my psyche had worked on it because little and I
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Speaker 9: felt sorry because of an animal lover that I felt
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Speaker 9: sorry for the snake.
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Speaker 2: So my mom assumed these dreams were just psychological. But
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Speaker 2: when my dad's family was like, oh no, we actually
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Speaker 2: have this long standing snake curse in our family because
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Speaker 2: we killed some snakes clearing our land generations ago or
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Speaker 2: whatever the story was. And believe me, I know how
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Speaker 2: crazy this sounds. They clarified, your nightmares are probably coming
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Speaker 2: from that. That's what my dad's sister, Indeka stepped into help.
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Speaker 9: Indaka took us to a guy, a holy man.
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Speaker 2: He performed a ceremony for them, but also he gave me.
20:48
Speaker 9: A month trout to sing and every day I to
20:52
Speaker 9: recite it, and so had domash, And slowly the fear
20:55
Speaker 9: of the snake's kind of abated, and I saw Chanta
21:01
Speaker 9: Dugo in my dreams.
21:03
Speaker 2: Chanta Derga is one of our family's patron deities, a
21:06
Speaker 2: goddess of light and wisdom and oddly enough fertility.
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Speaker 9: But she had four arms. That's so they depict her energy.
21:15
Speaker 2: As many times as I've been to the Shanta Derga temple,
21:17
Speaker 2: which is also in Goa or stared at illustrations of
21:20
Speaker 2: Chantaderga on family altars. Sure, I've noticed the goddess's four arms,
21:25
Speaker 2: but also she has like three giant hooded cobra sitting
21:30
Speaker 2: at her feet, just facing you. So before my mom
21:34
Speaker 2: said this, if you gave me a pop quiz and
21:36
Speaker 2: asked me how many snakes is Shanta Doorga holding, I'm
21:39
Speaker 2: not sure I would have known the answer, but the
21:42
Speaker 2: answer is too. Two of her hands are in these
21:44
Speaker 2: madras or poses that indicate divine protection and granting your wishes,
21:50
Speaker 2: and her other two hands hold these tiny cobras. So
21:54
Speaker 2: when Chantaderga came to my mom in a dream and
21:56
Speaker 2: my mom noticed the snakes in her.
21:58
Speaker 9: Hands, to brute you know it, lose all faith in
22:02
Speaker 9: you and said no, no, She said I can protect
22:05
Speaker 9: you as well as the snakes, and the two should
22:07
Speaker 9: never meet.
22:08
Speaker 2: And then my mom, the lit major the NBA, the
22:11
Speaker 2: modern woman who had stayed on bed rest for the
22:14
Speaker 2: full term of my pregnancy, with a little bit of
22:17
Speaker 2: sitting up at seven months, finally had me. But it's
22:21
Speaker 2: so crazy, right, because it's not like our family is
22:24
Speaker 2: steeped in superstition, and so why do we put faith
22:28
Speaker 2: in things like a curse of a serpent.
22:33
Speaker 9: I think anything works when you're desperate. Boy, it doesn't
22:36
Speaker 9: cost you very much, right to go ahead and do
22:38
Speaker 9: whate would they tell you to do, and you feel
22:41
Speaker 9: like you're giving it your best. That's the main thing, yeah.
22:46
Speaker 2: Is that you're feeling about astrology?
22:48
Speaker 9: Yes, I think so.
22:52
Speaker 2: I keep mulling my mom's words over my head. How
22:55
Speaker 2: anything works when you're desperate, How it doesn't cost you
22:59
Speaker 2: very much to do whatever they tell you to do.
23:02
Speaker 2: How you want to feel like you're giving it your best.
23:05
Speaker 2: And I guess that's true whether you're trying to find
23:08
Speaker 2: love or unpacked trauma or have a child when you
23:13
Speaker 2: think you can't. There can be comfort in the trying
23:18
Speaker 2: and beauty and the wanting to believe even when it
23:22
Speaker 2: defies reason. Parni in the chapter three this is always
23:32
Speaker 2: going to be a theme in your life, so trust me.
23:36
Speaker 2: We all get the irony of this. But today George
23:41
Speaker 2: is about to talk to an astrologer to find out.
23:44
Speaker 3: Will I ever believe in anything or will I remain
23:47
Speaker 3: a hardened skeptic alone in the universe.
23:51
Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear what Janelle thinks about how philosophical
23:54
Speaker 2: his mind is and whether his skepticism shows up in
23:58
Speaker 2: his birth chart. And because George is so open and witty,
24:02
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear him react in real time.
24:07
Speaker 2: But something has changed since the last time George and
24:09
Speaker 2: I spoke. When he logs onto the video call, I
24:12
Speaker 2: can see that his foot is in the cast. He's
24:14
Speaker 2: stuck on a couch, reaching awkwardly to grab things from
24:17
Speaker 2: a table nearby, and he's subdued and clearly a little distracted.
24:22
Speaker 3: Well, I broke my foot last week, and my whole
24:26
Speaker 3: next six to eight weeks is completely different.
24:28
Speaker 2: Now this isn't the same George I met earlier, and
24:31
Speaker 2: I'm worried. I mean, what was I thinking bringing a
24:35
Speaker 2: total skeptic who stops dating people when he finds out
24:38
Speaker 2: they believe in astrology to an astrologer? Why did I
24:43
Speaker 2: think this would work? Okay, from the moment I hit record,
24:50
Speaker 2: it doesn't go well.
24:51
Speaker 5: Can you guys hear me? Are we all good?
24:54
Speaker 2: During the taping, Janelle keeps asking if George is still there?
24:58
Speaker 3: Did I lose you again? No?
25:00
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, all right, any questions about that?
25:05
Speaker 3: No?
25:06
Speaker 2: But Janelle proceeds unfazed.
25:08
Speaker 5: Career is a big part of your life and your focus.
25:11
Speaker 2: This mar says, I really want to achieve something you have.
25:14
Speaker 5: Saturn in the House of Publishing, television, radio, film for
25:18
Speaker 5: Jupiter is king of the Castle, and Jupiter as a
25:20
Speaker 5: planet is all about faith. It's all about the things
25:23
Speaker 5: that are fanned.
25:24
Speaker 2: Our mind, banned our our minds.
25:26
Speaker 5: And still coming out of this dark fan.
25:28
Speaker 2: Folks, you're supposed to be hopeful.
25:30
Speaker 5: Dreaming about fo weird next for yourself. Meaning so, Saturn
25:34
Speaker 5: in the Ninth House says, I have a lot of
25:35
Speaker 5: fear around these things. Find faith and belief and religion.
25:39
Speaker 5: But did I lose you again?
25:40
Speaker 2: For all the readings we've done so far, no one
25:42
Speaker 2: is as deeply unresponsive as Georgie's. In fact, he barely
25:46
Speaker 2: says anything. For someone trained in improv he is not yes,
25:50
Speaker 2: ending the situation in the slightest.
25:55
Speaker 3: Actually, now I forget uh sure, yeah, Romance, what's going on?
26:01
Speaker 3: H a lot to think about it.
26:04
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening. I mean, she's explaining all
26:07
Speaker 2: these things he said he wanted to know about.
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Speaker 5: All right, So are there questions in particular that can
26:12
Speaker 5: help you with regarding this. How else can I help you?
26:15
Speaker 3: I don't know what would be an example of a question.
26:18
Speaker 2: Finally, there is one moment where he starts to open
26:21
Speaker 2: up a little. Janelle is pushing George on his skepticism,
26:24
Speaker 2: and he tells her he just can't believe in anything
26:27
Speaker 2: he can't quantify.
26:29
Speaker 3: That skepticism continues with all things unmeasurable.
26:34
Speaker 2: And Janelle assures him that that's also a part of
26:37
Speaker 2: who he is.
26:38
Speaker 5: That's the point of Gemini energy, Like, discernment is always
26:42
Speaker 5: going to be your friend, right, I wouldn't worry too
26:45
Speaker 5: much about it, but I do think this is always
26:47
Speaker 5: going to be a feme in your life. Enjoy the
26:49
Speaker 5: process of discovery versus feeling like skepticism means I can't
26:53
Speaker 5: learn and everything's going to be wrong. She's like, how
26:55
Speaker 5: will you know unless you ask?
26:58
Speaker 2: That's cool, not entirely a success, that is, until I
27:03
Speaker 2: actually talked to George again. Chapter four, How is this working?
27:19
Speaker 2: I've been waiting to catch up with George to find
27:21
Speaker 2: out why he was so distant during this reading, why
27:24
Speaker 2: he wasn't engaged. When I email him to find the time,
27:28
Speaker 2: he says he's busy with work. He has a big
27:31
Speaker 2: audition and he's apologetic, but it takes us a little
27:34
Speaker 2: while to connect your auditions.
27:40
Speaker 4: Oh good, I just got a call back, Soter, So
27:46
Speaker 4: tell me what do you think about the reading?
27:50
Speaker 3: Really interesting?
27:52
Speaker 10: Interesting isn't the word I was expecting him to use,
27:56
Speaker 10: you know, out the gate. It was so accurate. I
27:59
Speaker 10: was like, this is a dead ringer for my life.
28:02
Speaker 10: But how is this working? You know, as part of
28:05
Speaker 10: me was like, there's no way this isn't a trick.
28:08
Speaker 2: But I was surprised because like I couldn't tell how
28:12
Speaker 2: you were responding.
28:13
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
28:14
Speaker 3: Yeah. Even if something was really on the nose, I'd
28:17
Speaker 3: be like, hmm, there's something suspicious about that, you know,
28:24
Speaker 3: Like when she said like something really big was the
28:26
Speaker 3: language of like the new Moon and something big happened
28:31
Speaker 3: for you in May Night twenty nineteen, it was like, yeah, Yeah,
28:35
Speaker 3: the biggest career thing that's ever happened was May twenty nineteen.
28:40
Speaker 2: George is playing it cool, but I'm kind of blown away.
28:44
Speaker 2: In the summer of twenty nineteen, George was named a
28:47
Speaker 2: new Face of Comedy by the prestigious Just for Last Festival,
28:51
Speaker 2: And it's the kind of thing that makes Hollywood notice
28:53
Speaker 2: and launch his careers. Yeah, it's huge.
28:56
Speaker 3: It was for me a huge deal. It was like
28:59
Speaker 3: the first time I got a big thumbs up from,
29:01
Speaker 3: you know, the gods of comedy. Her opening was so
29:04
Speaker 3: dead on for my life, like sort of the family
29:08
Speaker 3: of origin and breaking out of like doing your own thing.
29:11
Speaker 3: Like my grandfather drove me past a photographer's art studio
29:17
Speaker 3: and it was just dilapidated, very depressing building in Pittsburgh,
29:22
Speaker 3: and he goes, that's going to be you. This would
29:25
Speaker 3: be your life. But like, as much as I'm a skeptic,
29:29
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm such.
29:30
Speaker 2: A Gemini, I'm fascinated by George's push pull, so I
29:34
Speaker 2: ask him a little more about it.
29:36
Speaker 3: I have trouble when people say, you know, you deserve this,
29:39
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, we are a random organism spinning
29:42
Speaker 3: on a rock. I don't know that humans deserve anything
29:46
Speaker 3: other than like the basic biological package of like love, community, shelter, water, sunlight,
29:57
Speaker 3: Like that's that's you deserve that for sure, But like,
30:00
Speaker 3: did I deserve the part of that show come on.
30:03
Speaker 2: During the reading, what I assumed was this dismissive, unengaged
30:07
Speaker 2: behavior where George was looking down and mumbling these one
30:10
Speaker 2: word responses. It was, in fact him taking detailed notes
30:15
Speaker 2: on everything Janelle was saying.
30:17
Speaker 3: I mean it wrote down a lot of what she said, like,
30:20
Speaker 3: choose people who are limitless with your growth, who are
30:22
Speaker 3: joyous of your discovery. Your belief system is changing, You're
30:25
Speaker 3: going to attract new people. I have all my notes
30:28
Speaker 3: highly categorized, so I have like it'll be like therapy, recipes, comedy.
30:32
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about this. I put the astrology
30:34
Speaker 3: reading into therapy.
30:36
Speaker 2: I'm relieved that he got something from the experience, a
30:39
Speaker 2: phone full of notes, it turns out. But as we
30:41
Speaker 2: wrap up, I ask about his foot. He sounded so
30:46
Speaker 2: despondent about it the last time we chatted. I'm curious
30:49
Speaker 2: how he's doing. But instead of telling me how he
30:51
Speaker 2: broke it while camping, he tells me how it immediately
30:54
Speaker 2: led to some funny slash disappointing experiences.
30:58
Speaker 3: After I got back from the EO with my broken foot,
31:01
Speaker 3: my friend was like, I'm going to cook you the
31:03
Speaker 3: most delicious dinner steak, keen mall salad. It's gonna like,
31:07
Speaker 3: don't worry.
31:07
Speaker 2: He gets promised this delicious campfire meal, but then when
31:12
Speaker 2: they're about to start prepping, they realize.
31:15
Speaker 3: A bear was next to our campsite. All of our
31:17
Speaker 3: food was gone. The bear had eaten everything, And I
31:23
Speaker 3: was like, I just immediately started laughing because I was like,
31:25
Speaker 3: that's perfect.
31:26
Speaker 2: Horrible experiences are gold for George.
31:29
Speaker 3: The worse the experience, the better the story. Like I
31:33
Speaker 3: was just joking that I had a really wonderful date,
31:36
Speaker 3: and I was telling my friend, I'm sorry, I have
31:37
Speaker 3: nothing to tell you other then we laughed, we made dinner,
31:41
Speaker 3: we had great sex. You don't need any details. But
31:45
Speaker 3: like the other date that week that was really weird
31:48
Speaker 3: and twisty and strange, We're gonna talk about that for
31:50
Speaker 3: two hours.
31:51
Speaker 2: So of course it's perfect that a bear ate his meal.
31:55
Speaker 2: But when he's skeptical about love, I was.
31:58
Speaker 3: Like, George, you have to be okay with the fact
32:00
Speaker 3: that you might never find that. It is like hitting the.
32:03
Speaker 2: Lottery to get it, or his career.
32:06
Speaker 3: I have to be okay with not getting that in
32:08
Speaker 3: the same way that I'm okay with maybe never being
32:10
Speaker 3: in a Taikeo Whitt movie or like Wes Anderson. I
32:13
Speaker 3: would love that. I would love that. I think I
32:15
Speaker 3: do well, but they may never happen.
32:19
Speaker 2: I wonder if these stories are just to entertain others too,
32:24
Speaker 2: because George is a performer, a really good performer, but
32:28
Speaker 2: he actually believes in love. It's why he goes on dates,
32:31
Speaker 2: and he believes in his talent. It's why he keeps
32:35
Speaker 2: putting himself out there. And as much as he doesn't
32:37
Speaker 2: want to tell himself he's a believer, all of his
32:40
Speaker 2: actions betray his incredible faith. There is so much hope
32:45
Speaker 2: in his tone.
32:47
Speaker 3: Do you remember apple jacks? Okay, the commercials in the nineties,
32:53
Speaker 3: there was always a couple of kids eating apple jacks.
32:55
Speaker 3: As usually the dad would come in and they'd like,
32:57
Speaker 3: take a bite, and they'd be like, he doesn't even
32:59
Speaker 3: taste like apples. And the kids would be like, we
33:02
Speaker 3: eat what we like.
33:05
Speaker 11: You just do.
33:12
Speaker 3: And I love that.
33:16
Speaker 2: What George is seeking I realize now it isn't a
33:19
Speaker 2: reason to believe so much as another reminder to be
33:22
Speaker 2: nicer to himself. It's okay to eat what he likes,
33:25
Speaker 2: to build his own meaning, to be present. He just
33:30
Speaker 2: needs another reminder that.
33:32
Speaker 3: You're a good snake.
33:33
Speaker 2: He's a good snake.
33:34
Speaker 1: You're a good snake.
33:35
Speaker 2: He's allowed to be here.
33:37
Speaker 3: You're a good snake.
33:37
Speaker 2: He's a good snake.
33:38
Speaker 3: You're a good snake. You're allowed to be.
33:40
Speaker 6: Here, ol Friends, Chapter five.
33:56
Speaker 2: It doesn't cost you much. I'm thinking about my mom's
34:03
Speaker 2: comment about why she chanted those mantras to get rid
34:06
Speaker 2: of the snake curse.
34:08
Speaker 9: I think anything works when you're desperate. Boy, it doesn't
34:12
Speaker 9: cost you very much. Right.
34:14
Speaker 2: There's actually a study that illustrates this effect in the
34:17
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties, and Australian psychologist Graham Tyson determined that the
34:21
Speaker 2: same people who don't believe in astrology in low stress
34:24
Speaker 2: situations suddenly are very open to it in high stress situations,
34:30
Speaker 2: kind of like agnostics on a plane when the turbulence hits.
34:34
Speaker 2: But I think that hints to something true about a
34:37
Speaker 2: lot of us. How there's a reluctance to admit that
34:39
Speaker 2: you might believe. Like I saw this Pew study about India,
34:44
Speaker 2: where astrology is clearly infused in the culture, and it
34:47
Speaker 2: showed that while only forty four percent of Indians admit
34:50
Speaker 2: to believing in astrology, eighty three percent use astrology to
34:54
Speaker 2: plan important events. But I guess that's what I admire
34:59
Speaker 2: about jo Or Like he says he doesn't believe, but
35:03
Speaker 2: he keeps trying, keeps putting himself out there, and our
35:07
Speaker 2: actions often reveal way more about ourselves than our stated beliefs.
35:13
Speaker 2: On this show, over and over, I've said I'm a skeptic,
35:17
Speaker 2: that I don't believe in astrology, and that is true.
35:20
Speaker 2: But unlike George, I've been reluctant to test my faith.
35:24
Speaker 2: I mean, sure, I pressed a banana to my palm
35:26
Speaker 2: on Wednesdays, but I treated that as a comedy bit.
35:30
Speaker 2: And yeah, I got some readings. But even as I
35:33
Speaker 2: witnessed this miracle of astrology, this eerily accurate prediction of
35:38
Speaker 2: how my dad would fall ill and struggle to make
35:41
Speaker 2: it through the year.
35:43
Speaker 5: The situation doesn't look good for father.
35:45
Speaker 9: That is risks to father.
35:47
Speaker 2: I borrowed myself in disbelief. I stayed aloof I taped
35:52
Speaker 2: other people getting readings. To tell me how you feel
35:55
Speaker 2: coming into this.
35:57
Speaker 3: There's so much to hear that I would you suggest
36:00
Speaker 3: this experience.
36:02
Speaker 2: I tried to see if astrology could work for them,
36:05
Speaker 2: tried to keep myself busy, tried to keep myself distracted
36:08
Speaker 2: from processing my own grief, and I've kept trying to
36:11
Speaker 2: push the story away from myself, but it is so
36:15
Speaker 2: clear that I can't. Every episode starts light and ends
36:20
Speaker 2: with some bittersweet moment, not because I intend to, but
36:25
Speaker 2: because that's where everything always leads me. There's this thing
36:34
Speaker 2: I've tried not to think about too much, this supposed
36:37
Speaker 2: answer to all my problems, a wholy astrological graile of sorts.
36:41
Speaker 2: And I've been so angry at astrology in a way
36:44
Speaker 2: for being so right about my dad, that I haven't
36:47
Speaker 2: wanted to lean into it. I first heard about it
36:50
Speaker 2: from a friend right after college, and then my cousin
36:53
Speaker 2: mentioned it, then Pete the astrologer from The Walkman, and
36:57
Speaker 2: even doctor Kumar.
36:59
Speaker 3: The future of every man born on earth is already.
37:03
Speaker 2: There are these little shops in India. They're hard to locate,
37:06
Speaker 2: and it's hard to find an authentic one. Pete tells
37:10
Speaker 2: me there's.
37:11
Speaker 8: All sorts of scam artists, right like there's all these
37:13
Speaker 8: vague ones.
37:14
Speaker 2: Like these shops hold all the secrets of your life,
37:19
Speaker 2: your past and present and future. The day that you
37:24
Speaker 2: show up, everything will change thereafter, Because, as the legend goes,
37:29
Speaker 2: your fortune was etched onto this petrified leaf hundreds of
37:32
Speaker 2: years ago in tiny script and then bound in a
37:36
Speaker 2: collection of fortunes. And if you give your thumbprint and
37:40
Speaker 2: tell them the day you were born, it's just waiting
37:43
Speaker 2: for you on a shelf, waiting for you to discover it.
37:48
Speaker 4: The thing pound leaves in tiny u writing the world
37:51
Speaker 4: like one inch by ten inch or something.
37:53
Speaker 3: So if your leaf is phone, the everything about you.
37:57
Speaker 5: Your name is Mangish, your father's name is this, your
38:00
Speaker 5: mother's name is this.
38:01
Speaker 3: You have so many brothers, sisters, you're.
38:03
Speaker 12: Not married yet, and you're now forty two years awage.
38:06
Speaker 3: Now that you come to hear your future, even for
38:09
Speaker 3: you to know your future is predetermined.
38:11
Speaker 5: And guess what, No matter which space with religion you're from,
38:14
Speaker 5: you're Muslim or Christian, your father's name, your mother's name
38:17
Speaker 5: hasband name, wife name.
38:18
Speaker 9: What greater validation you want than that?
38:21
Speaker 2: As much as I've tried to ignore it, somehow I
38:24
Speaker 2: can't get the idea of these little shops in India
38:26
Speaker 2: out of my head because I don't know what I'm doing,
38:31
Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to be doing, And what if written
38:34
Speaker 2: on those scrolls is an answer I need. As improbable
38:39
Speaker 2: as it sounds, I'd love to know who's the person
38:42
Speaker 2: I meant to be, especially in this moment when I
38:45
Speaker 2: feel so onnoored. Going to India where I can hear
38:49
Speaker 2: my mother tongue again and feel the love and warmth
38:53
Speaker 2: of my dad's family, that also feels like a good thing.
38:58
Speaker 2: And honestly, if I can dwell in this tiny sense
39:02
Speaker 2: of hope, if I can ask enough people and actually
39:05
Speaker 2: find these ancient leaves, maybe it don't stop me from spinning.
39:14
Speaker 2: Maybe they'll offer some direction, and maybe they'll tell me
39:20
Speaker 2: what happens next.
39:26
Speaker 12: Goshoot, you MoU just let it all go.
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Speaker 2: incredible comedian in person. He was so kind to share
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Speaker 2: a story with us. If you haven't checked out his impressions,
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Speaker 2: go do that now, including my favorite this one. Your
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Speaker 2: college boyfriend who took one Shakespeare class.
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Speaker 11: So long as man can breathe and Oz can see,
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Speaker 11: so long lives this and this gives life to thie.
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Speaker 3: Gee.
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Speaker 1: Yeah you're different.
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Speaker 11: You're different.
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Speaker 3: I like you. You're not like other girls. Yeah you
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Speaker 3: got something different.
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Speaker 2: I mean all of you out there are different. Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for lending us your ears.
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Speaker 12: Sweet so now I can't wait to get you.
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Speaker 3: Restless.
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Speaker 12: Locac Tuesday Last Days tis the NAT