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Information to Know: She discusses how hair relaxers are being linked to breast cancer, uterine cancer, ovarian cancer, and hormone disruption. · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 2: is the research and development dermatologist for over twenty five years.
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  Speaker 2: She's a pioneer of hair and skin supplements. Doctor Mack
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  Speaker 2: launched that's her name. It's called We'll get you a
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  Speaker 2: full official name, but doctor Mac launch Bellinutrie for women
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand and four and Bellinutree for men in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 1: I just happened to be.
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  Speaker 2: A part of those both launches when I was managing
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  Speaker 2: and executive using the Steve Harvey Morning Show. Doctor Mack
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  Speaker 2: was medical director of Hype Hair magazine.
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  Speaker 1: For over twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: She continues to freely answer questions and under Harmonica asked
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  Speaker 2: doctor Matt Platform please welco with the Money Making Conversations Masterclass,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Melanie Macklin, How are you doing, doctor mack.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, mister Rashawn were back again two years later.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was just every two years it's
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  Speaker 2: something controversial in the hair industry or the skin industry,
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  Speaker 2: and I got a call on you to get a
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  Speaker 2: better understanding from my audience. And before we even get
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  Speaker 2: to the question, let me give everybody a little background.
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  Speaker 2: Why is Rashaan concerned about women and women hair? Well,
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  Speaker 2: I grew up with six sisters, okay, five older sisters,
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  Speaker 2: one younger sister, then I excuse me, two younger sisters,
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  Speaker 2: four older sisters.
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  Speaker 1: I was in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: Nine kids, okay for older sisters, two younger sisters, and
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  Speaker 2: I have a single daughter. And so when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to haircare, there's a concern of mine because of the
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  Speaker 2: fact that when we were on the show two years ago,
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  Speaker 2: we were talking.
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  Speaker 1: About FDA banning.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse these chemicals that are used as straight particularly African
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  Speaker 2: American women. Have talk to me about that before we
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  Speaker 2: get into what's happening now. When we first brought this,
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  Speaker 2: introduced this whole FDA thing two years ago.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the FBA back in it was around October
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  Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three is when they were discussing the
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  Speaker 4: fact of saying, look, we're trying to get a ban
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  Speaker 4: on some of these hair chemicals because we are now
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  Speaker 4: realizing even though we realize it a long before time,
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  Speaker 4: but they just kind of stepped in and said, look,
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  Speaker 4: we need to ban these chemicals because it's adversly affecting
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  Speaker 4: the health effects of many women.
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  Speaker 3: And so still to this day that ban has not occurred.
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  Speaker 4: We're still moving forward with chemicals that manufacturers are being
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  Speaker 4: allowed to add two products continuously, and we're continuously having
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  Speaker 4: women that are going to the next generation of life
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  Speaker 4: as a result, right, the cant and so forth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, cancers, And that's what we're saying. And we talk
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  Speaker 2: about this now. We know it's a money making conversation.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they're continually to do these days. But two
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  Speaker 2: years though, doctor Mack, we brought this conversation up two
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  Speaker 2: years ago, were back into no December, so it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit over two years we had this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that would be action.
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  Speaker 2: I was I was beating the drama in the African
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  Speaker 2: American community. It does affect every community, not just African American,
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  Speaker 2: but in this situation. We are talking about African American
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  Speaker 2: community because as a dominant part of my listener and
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  Speaker 2: viewing audience. But it does impact anybody who does chemical
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  Speaker 2: hair treatments.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, correct.
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  Speaker 4: Because because there's all races and nationalities that use chemicals,
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  Speaker 4: the other you know, non black races tend to be
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  Speaker 4: more focused on the hair dyes, and it's the permanent
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  Speaker 4: hair dise that actually is a major problem. That is
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  Speaker 4: what's causing a lot of the new cases of breast cancer,
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  Speaker 4: uterine cancer, ovarian cancer.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And and asking Americas, it seems to be we have
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  Speaker 3: a more than.
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  Speaker 4: For increased risk of of these type of cancers when
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  Speaker 4: we use permanent hair dyes.
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  Speaker 3: But also we're compounding that with using.
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  Speaker 4: Hair relaxers, right, so we are you know, we're doing
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  Speaker 4: a double dip.
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  Speaker 2: If you will, absolutely talking to doctor Melinia Macklin.
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  Speaker 1: She is a licensed doctor. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And she didn't she's always constantly.
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  Speaker 1: She's a university. Got to put that out there. And
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  Speaker 1: your daughters.
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  Speaker 4: My daughters, yes, one graduated in twenty twenty four from
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  Speaker 4: Howard and the other one is a junior at Howard
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  Speaker 4: Rocking the Yard like her mama did rocking and good.
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  Speaker 3: Medicine.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I always like to bring up our background.
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  Speaker 2: He started on Steve hard Morning Show. It brought it
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  Speaker 2: started on the Chris Rock film that he did several
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  Speaker 2: years ago, and it created a relationship between you and
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  Speaker 2: I will always we care about not only our relationship,
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  Speaker 2: but we care about the community. Now, when we start
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  Speaker 2: talking about harsh health effects from hair chemicals, what exactly
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  Speaker 2: are we talking about, doctor bac Well, When we.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about the hair chemicals, let you know there's different sectors.
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  Speaker 3: We have the hair relaxers, which.
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  Speaker 4: Have sodium hydroxide, calcium hydroxide, glinine hydroxide, and lithium hydroxide.
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  Speaker 4: So the common denominator is the hydroxide chemical in hair relaxes.
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  Speaker 4: That no matter if it's done professionally or picking up
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  Speaker 4: at your local beauty supply store, you're still adversely being affected.
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  Speaker 4: So then let's transition over to the hair dyes. The
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  Speaker 4: hair dyes have the pair phenol ethamine, and that's a
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  Speaker 4: harsh chemical that's in the permanent and semi permanent hair dyes.
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  Speaker 4: The permanent ones have a little bit higher content which
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  Speaker 4: make them more damaging. Then let's talk about synthetic hair.
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  Speaker 4: That's been the latest hot vible topic. Everybody's like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: how could hair synthetic hair be a problem.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 4: It's an occupational hazard not only for the person that's
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  Speaker 4: getting their hair braided, but also from the hair stylist
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  Speaker 4: that is putting the synthetic hair while she's braiding the hair,
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  Speaker 4: because the benzing chemical is being inhaled. So while the
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  Speaker 4: hair stylust is braiding the hair, they're inhaling the benzine
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  Speaker 4: from the synthetic hair. But then a person that actually
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  Speaker 4: has the braided hair with the synthetic hair that contains
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  Speaker 4: benzine is breathing that end as long as that synthetic
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  Speaker 4: hair is on her head. So we're talking lung cancer,
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  Speaker 4: We're talking leukemia, you know, like a blood cancer disorder.
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  Speaker 4: These are serious things. But I think for Sean, you know,
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  Speaker 4: hair is such a big thing. Are so into wanting
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  Speaker 4: to have a certain look, right, versus wanting to be healthy, right.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that I think that people don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I have you on the show again, Doctor Max,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't think they know. I think that you
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  Speaker 2: go into a beauty salon, they don't have warning signs
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  Speaker 2: in these beauty salons.
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  Speaker 1: They're not required to have warning that's a great.
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  Speaker 4: Rashawon we need to have a doctor Maax and Rashawn's
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  Speaker 4: warning signs distributed throughout all hair salons.
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  Speaker 2: But they won't do that because it will it will
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  Speaker 2: of course raise questions and also impact their business. And
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  Speaker 2: so we know that's the situation where we're at right now.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I thought two years ago we will be
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  Speaker 2: coming back on the show talking about the new guidelines,
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  Speaker 2: talking about the warning size that anybody who applies this
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  Speaker 2: to anybody's hair will have. These have to give these
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  Speaker 2: people sign releases that they're acknowledging things like that, because
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  Speaker 2: what I have not heard is, you know, because when
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  Speaker 2: you when you talk like this, doctor Mack, you know
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  Speaker 2: you lived in the Washington, DC area. Every influence is
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  Speaker 2: their resistance.
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  Speaker 5: When you talk like this, I hate to say yes,
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  Speaker 5: but I have to say yes, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day, people are about
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  Speaker 4: the green eyed devil all money, and if it's going
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  Speaker 4: to disrupt someone's business, they're like, look, we won't talk
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  Speaker 4: about it. Look at the tobacco industry for years, they
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  Speaker 4: didn't want to talk about what the negative effects of
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  Speaker 4: nicotine was doing to people's bodies.
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  Speaker 3: They kept selling nicotine, yes or yes, we're.
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  Speaker 4: Not talking about what the negative effects of alcohol is
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  Speaker 4: doing to people's bodies. They're still selling it on almost
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  Speaker 4: every corner in DC and every other major city. So
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  Speaker 4: these some there has been a lot of resistance on
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  Speaker 4: talking about it from a governmental level or a business level.
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  Speaker 4: But also I have to say this, from even someone's
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  Speaker 4: own personal level.
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  Speaker 3: They don't want to admit.
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  Speaker 4: That that hair chemical from the relaxer or the hair
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  Speaker 4: dye because they're trying to cover up those grades, or
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  Speaker 4: the synthetic braids because they want to have long grades.
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  Speaker 4: They're not wanting to accept that that's a health problem.
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  Speaker 4: They rather wait until something bad happens, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: say this, then they want.
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  Speaker 3: You to feel sorry for them, right, And.
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  Speaker 4: That's why there's a lot of there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: global lawsuits is going on.
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  Speaker 3: I was asked to be an expert.
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  Speaker 4: For a lot of these law suits is going on,
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  Speaker 4: But in my heart, I can't you know.
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  Speaker 3: What I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I just I have been trying for overt twenty years
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  Speaker 4: letting folks know that the potential health risk associated with
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  Speaker 4: hair relaxers, hair dyes, this, that and the other, and
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  Speaker 4: folks just are resistant. I feel like I'm caring more
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  Speaker 4: about someone's health than they're caring about their own.
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  Speaker 1: What do I do?
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  Speaker 2: Let me get some clarity. And you said the word
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  Speaker 2: I just can't. When you said I just can't. What
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  Speaker 2: were you referencing when you say I just can't, doctor mac.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I can't speak on trying to help save someone.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty years later, I had been preaching.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's some certain cases I've been preaching on
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  Speaker 4: to this person, hey, stop using this, stop using this.
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  Speaker 4: And then now sadly they're in fourth stage breast.
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  Speaker 3: Cancer or they may not be living anymore, and.
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  Speaker 4: My heart has been there to try to help to
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  Speaker 4: preserve their life.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So I can't be a.
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  Speaker 3: Savior of ball. And I can't sit up and be.
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  Speaker 4: On definitely be on some legal stand and someone's questioning
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  Speaker 4: me about my knowledge base, and I know my knowledge
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  Speaker 4: base and so forth, but I can't help to defend
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  Speaker 4: someone to try to get them some payments.
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  Speaker 3: And you know they weren't trying to listen.
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  Speaker 1: Historically, right, right?
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  Speaker 2: And I understand that when because when you talk about
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  Speaker 2: the two steps here. Yeah, the adults who will get
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  Speaker 2: these hair relaxes, they can say yes and no, but
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  Speaker 2: they're doing this to their children. Let's talk about that,
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  Speaker 2: because you're talking about kids and the young girls as
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  Speaker 2: young as five years old who will get their hair
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  Speaker 2: relaxed using these same dangerous chemicals. Now, if you're starting
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  Speaker 2: at five, where your hair and your scalps are, I
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  Speaker 2: would like to believe the most vulnerable to this type
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  Speaker 2: of chemical.
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  Speaker 1: What do you say about that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm glad that you brought that up
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  Speaker 4: because that is the premise behind.
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  Speaker 3: The Chris Rock movie.
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  Speaker 4: Chris Rock did the movie Good Hair that came out
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  Speaker 4: in October of two thousand and nine. He heard me
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  Speaker 4: on your show for the Steve Harvey Morning Show speak
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  Speaker 4: on keeping the chemicals off of.
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  Speaker 3: Little girl's hair because that was to his premise.
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  Speaker 4: He told his wife, do not put any chemicals in
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  Speaker 4: our daughter's hair. And he said, I was the first
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  Speaker 4: person that he heard, and he had interviewed tons of
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  Speaker 4: dermatoldis prior to me, and they never said what I said,
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  Speaker 4: which was we're going to keep chemicals off of little
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  Speaker 4: girl's hair wild because if the chemicals that are being
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  Speaker 4: applied to the scalp. They're burning through the scalp, which
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  Speaker 4: means you're the nerves which run neck connect with the
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  Speaker 4: arteries and veins. It's getting in the bloodstream and is
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  Speaker 4: causing hormone disruption. So baby girls are ending up with
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  Speaker 4: early menzies and puberty before the age of ten.
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  Speaker 3: They're ending up having uterine fibroids.
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  Speaker 4: As they grow older, they're ending up with infertility and
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  Speaker 4: then the potential risk of having an early hysterectomy before
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  Speaker 4: they're even forty. And then now we're adding on the
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  Speaker 4: breast cancer because we're forty five percent increased risk of
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  Speaker 4: getting breast cancer at an aggressive at an aggressive state.
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  Speaker 4: So we're seeing women in their twenties. Rashaan black women.
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  Speaker 4: I had two friends, two were my line sisters when
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  Speaker 4: I pledged at Howard in the spring of eighty eight.
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  Speaker 3: Went on to be with the Lord of breast cancer.
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  Speaker 3: And I know for a fact they both.
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  Speaker 4: Fried and dye that hair all the time, because that's
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  Speaker 4: what we did back in the eighties.
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  Speaker 3: But we're still doing it now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, these don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 6: We're right back with more money making conversations, Master class,
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  Speaker 6: Welcome back to money making Conversation master Class hosted by
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  Speaker 6: me Rashaun McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back into it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me to ask you because you mentioned what
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  Speaker 2: is the mechanism of how hair chemicals affect the body?
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  Speaker 2: Because you mentioned, I'm trying to get understanding that. You know,
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  Speaker 2: is it the fact that they're putting it on their
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  Speaker 2: hair or is it the fact that tell us how
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  Speaker 2: the process works?
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  Speaker 1: I guess I should ask you.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Right, So when chemicals are applied to the scalp,
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  Speaker 4: they're actually absorbing into the scalp because that chemicals burning
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  Speaker 4: through the scalp is a very thick layer of skin, right,
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  Speaker 4: So the chemicals are absorbing into the scalp. That's why
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  Speaker 4: you feel a burning sensation and the nerves run neck,
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  Speaker 4: connect with the arteries and veins as I mentioned, and
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  Speaker 4: it's it's causing the hormone disruption, hor own disruption. Chemicals
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  Speaker 4: that are getting into the main bloodstream.
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  Speaker 3: So then now we're.
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  Speaker 4: Affecting the estrogen and the body and the woman's body,
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  Speaker 4: which is leading to all of the issues.
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's the reason why the topical.
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  Speaker 4: Hair chemicals are causing problems because they're absorbing into that
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  Speaker 4: thick scalp. And and so this is why I, you know,
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  Speaker 4: advise if you are going to.
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  Speaker 3: Get chemicals, I say you shouldn't get chemicals, but if
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  Speaker 3: you do, we need to protect that scalp rashan.
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  Speaker 4: We need to use like a petroleum jelly of something
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  Speaker 4: like that nature that protects the scalp to keep those
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  Speaker 4: chemicals from absorbing. And that's the that's the main take
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  Speaker 4: home point to folks that still want to do chemicals
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  Speaker 4: is protect the entire scalp, not just the the uh,
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  Speaker 4: the edges, which is what a lot of manufacturers have
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  Speaker 4: been saying that have over the counter home hair relaxers.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they're saying, look.
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  Speaker 4: Just put the base around the edges on the ears
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  Speaker 4: and around the front forehead, but they never emphasized to
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  Speaker 4: put it throughout the scalp.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Historically, when you got relaxes.
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  Speaker 4: From like your hair dresser, which was the sodium hydroxide
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  Speaker 4: relaxeres called lie relaxer, Okay, they were basing the entire scalp.
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  Speaker 3: It was actually.
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  Speaker 4: Safer than the over the counter version because over the
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  Speaker 4: counter version was saying, oh, our calcium hydroxide or lithium
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  Speaker 4: hydroxide or guannie hydroxide. Over the counter products are safer,
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  Speaker 4: so you only have to base the edges, so Raseean,
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  Speaker 4: that's where all of the problems started, because if you're
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  Speaker 4: not basing the entire scalp, you're in trouble because you're
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  Speaker 4: still having to wash this product out, which means it's
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  Speaker 4: still getting an absorbing through the scalp even during the
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  Speaker 4: washout process.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about a young child now. Now I
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  Speaker 2: want you to you kind of walk me through the
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  Speaker 2: general process. Okay, a young child being brought into a salon.
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  Speaker 2: How long does the chemical stay on a young child's head?
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  Speaker 2: And how often do you through these processes? Are they
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  Speaker 2: once a month, twice a month, or four times a
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  Speaker 2: year when you're getting these lie type relaxers on your head.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking to doctor Mack, who's providing me with this information.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I would first want to say, hopefully a mother
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  Speaker 4: doesn't take her child to get a respect I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to say that from a protective standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: However, it does happen though.
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  Speaker 3: But it does happen.
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  Speaker 4: So if she chooses to take her young daughter to
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  Speaker 4: a hairstylist, she wants to make sure more importantly that
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  Speaker 4: her child's head is completely coated with like a pet,
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  Speaker 4: you know, trolling jelly, a protective coating, and I wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: I would not suggest that that relax would be left
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  Speaker 4: on that child's hair. No more than five or ten minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Heat can straight hair a shot. We don't need that
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  Speaker 4: hair to get so straight that we're causing adverse health
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  Speaker 4: effects in our child. But also we're causing her to
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  Speaker 4: lose a whole bunch of hair as well, because when
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  Speaker 4: that hair is too.
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  Speaker 3: Straight, it becomes very brittle.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of hair shedding, and then the child
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  Speaker 4: starts to have a lot of hair loss. So you know,
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  Speaker 4: if they're going to still go to the salon for
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  Speaker 4: their daughter, I would say no more than ten minutes
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  Speaker 4: application time, and I would definitely say no more than
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  Speaker 4: you know, every eight to ten weeks if that.
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  Speaker 3: The more they can space it out, the better cool.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking to from Sean McDonald interviewing doctor Mack. She's
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  Speaker 2: based in the DC area. She's several projects products, bella
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  Speaker 2: neutral for women that happened in two thousand and four
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  Speaker 2: and bela neutral for men in two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get back to the hair process but
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  Speaker 2: I will be remiss not bringing up the Bella Neutral
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  Speaker 2: projects and where it can be found. Tell us about
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  Speaker 2: the Bella Neutral products B.
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  Speaker 1: E, L l A, n U t R. I floor
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  Speaker 1: is yours, doctor Mack.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Bellaedutri is my first baby. Let me tell you
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  Speaker 4: how that all started. Because I'm the US pioneer dermatologists
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  Speaker 4: of natural hair supplements, I brought that whole concept of
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  Speaker 4: internal natural nutrition in the form of a supplement concept
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  Speaker 4: into the US.
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  Speaker 3: Did I get a lot of pushback? Yeah, they were like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you're a witch doctor. What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 4: You have to take something by mouth in order to
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  Speaker 4: improve your hair. Well, FYI, hair and skin are internal organs.
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  Speaker 4: They just manifest externally.
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  Speaker 3: So however your hair.
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  Speaker 4: And skin looks is a real manifestation of what's going
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  Speaker 4: on inside. That's why as dermatologists we're experts of hair, skin,
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  Speaker 4: and nails. All of those are internal structures. So when
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  Speaker 4: we look at externally at a hair, skin, and nail,
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  Speaker 4: we can tell what's going on on the inside of
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  Speaker 4: the body.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, I did a lot of research.
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  Speaker 4: Specifically with a company in Finland called Viviscal.
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  Speaker 3: Some of you may or may not have heard of that.
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  Speaker 4: It was because of me, because I helped to brand
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  Speaker 4: that product from Finland into the US. I advanced that
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: formula so that it could work even better, and that
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  Speaker 4: hence became Bellinutree in two thousand and four, and we've
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  Speaker 4: had millions of capsules sold.
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  Speaker 3: It's people love it. We were very excited about that.
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  Speaker 4: And then I further advanced that formula to make it
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  Speaker 4: even better for men, because men were coming to me like,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: well you got something for us to do that of course,
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  Speaker 4: and so in two thousand and eight came out with
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  Speaker 4: Boulue Tree for men.
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  Speaker 3: So I was called that witch doctor Reshawan. I broke
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  Speaker 3: down the barriers. I was on all types of media.
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  Speaker 4: They were like, what are you talking about taking I said, listen,
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  Speaker 4: I know what I'm talking about. And now you can't
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  Speaker 4: turn the channel without saying a hairskin in their own
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  Speaker 4: vitamin neuture fall.
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  Speaker 3: For women, nuture fall for men. I was like, listen,
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  Speaker 3: I'm the.
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  Speaker 4: One to put that information in your ear over twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Five years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we putting it in everybody's ear right now. We
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  Speaker 2: started two years ago about these hair chemicals. You know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I see a vicious money making cycle here let's talk
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: about because you have the weave industry, yeah, the bread
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  Speaker 2: industry like you, and then you have the diet, the
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: lie or the hairstraighten the industry. So you bring a
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  Speaker 2: child in right, or a young woman and then their hair,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, can eventually get burnt out, correct if
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  Speaker 2: they continuously use this product. So then they turn around
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  Speaker 2: and then they got to buy hair extensions and the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: hair waves as they call them, and these hair weves
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  Speaker 2: this double impact. First the stylers is having the impact
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: with their hair chemicals, and now they're having a physical
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: impact with the weave extensions or hair extension. So their
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: health risks is always going to be twofold. But the
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  Speaker 2: person who is now basically becoming a permanent customer because
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: God gave them natural hair, they go in their beauty
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: salon burn it out through chemicals. They want to get
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: that hair back, they buy hair extensions, and they have
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to continually buy those hair extensions to maintain their look.
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  Speaker 1: That they want. So why would they want that type.
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  Speaker 2: Of the load of income ending when it's a three
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  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two hundred and sixty degree cycle, doctor
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  Speaker 2: Mack Right, Yes, So for.
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  Speaker 3: The business owner, they're making big money. But for the customer,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: the client that's coming it's in that chair, they're having
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: big health problems.
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  Speaker 4: But guess what, the big money business owner does not
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  Speaker 4: care about the big health risk that the client has
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: sitting in their chair because they wanted to keep coming
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: back and sit in their chair. And this was the
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: pushback that I got from lots of stylists and talking
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: about the harsh chemical effects of hair products because they
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  Speaker 4: don't want that information to get out there because they
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: want people.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: To keep coming back to their chair. But I'm saying, look,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: you can.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Establish a niche a bing a healthy hairstylist, You're going
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: to make even more money because now they're now that
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: client is now knowing that you're concerned about not only
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  Speaker 4: the help of their hair, but educating them so that
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: then they can also share that information with other family
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: members and friends and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel like folks with losing money actually because.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: That you're waiting for someone to come back and sit
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  Speaker 4: in your chair for for a hair practice and it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: an unhealthy hare practice.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's two things. First of all, I want you
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to give out the website for Bella Neutral.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you can.
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  Speaker 4: Check out my products at www dot doctor Macklin dot com,
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  Speaker 4: d R M A C L I N dot com.
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  Speaker 4: I also have a new established website called Belaboproducts dot
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  Speaker 4: com which is b E L l A b E
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  Speaker 4: A U products dot com. So either one of those
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: websites had my products, you know, we're Shana had to
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: expand because folks are like, oh, we just want to
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: see the products. So that's why this did a product
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: only site.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I knew that was happening because
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of the fact that the consistency and you know, people
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  Speaker 2: online and people want stuff quick, you know, they want
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: app they're streaming out there. They want it quick, and
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  Speaker 2: they want to get there fast.
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  Speaker 4: We got it quick, and I have a wonderful webmaster
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  Speaker 4: that has done a wonderful job, and.
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  Speaker 3: We're just advancing. You know, I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Excited that I can start doing a lot. You have
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: more hands on Rashan with all these things. As you know,
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  Speaker 4: I've been dealing with a lot with my mom going on,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: having to handle all of her Chicago properties or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so I'm moving on up. That's what we're
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: doing right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Doctor MC.
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  Speaker 2: You know, people can hear this interview. Can we send
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: them anywhere to not so much verify our conversation where
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: they can they just do or they can just simply
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: just google and the information pops up.
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  Speaker 4: My Doctormaclin dot com website is very thorough.
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  Speaker 3: They can look at all of my interviews. I even
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  Speaker 3: have the interview of you and.
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  Speaker 4: I on there, a lot of recent press that's been
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  Speaker 4: out there.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very comprehensive site.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: That I'm very proud of, even on them with some
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: interviews that I did with Cherry Shepherd and Kim Whitley
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  Speaker 4: for their Two Funny Mamas and some other press. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited with the growth of where the doctor Macklin
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  Speaker 4: brand is going.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I first, before I closed, you did an interview, very
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: serious interview with two funny ladies, Cherry Shepherd, talk show
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  Speaker 2: host on daily Monday through Friday, and the incredibly comedic
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: actor skills of Kim Whitley. What was their reaction when
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: you start talking about these chemicals, because I'm pretty sure
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: they've used chemicals on their hat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, they have been really warm and fuzzy
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  Speaker 4: with this subject matter and wanting to educate more women
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  Speaker 4: about this, I specifically.
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  Speaker 3: Talked a lot about that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Kim called me to do the post Oscar show, like
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: when the slap between the Chris.
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  Speaker 3: And Will that went on. So that was on a.
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  Speaker 4: Sunday evening, and so Kim and I talked that evening
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  Speaker 4: and she was like, can you come on and do
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  Speaker 4: the show on that Monday?
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  Speaker 3: Which I did. And it was a great show.
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  Speaker 4: And that was a chance for me to talk about
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: the hair loss that they were talking about, the alopecia
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: that was going on with Jada, but also it was
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: a way for me to talk about what chemicals were
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: doing to our hair. And so it was a wonderful show.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: That was gosh, that would have been Rashaan March. I
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: think March of twenty twenty two was.
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  Speaker 3: It, Yeah, somewhere in that neighborhood. It was an excellent show.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely. I know a lot of articles reaching articles.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: That's why you're on the show, because you've been getting
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: recent press about the story maintaining your consistency. Your storylines
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: are consistent, your messaging is consistent, and the truth is
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: you won't stop.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not right off Chainsack. There's an article coming out
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  Speaker 3: that I did with Web and b.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: They did an interview with me about a week and
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: a half or so ago, wanted me to speak on
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: hair dies.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: It was all about hair dyes.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: And I think that that's gonna be a great article
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: and so it should be posting to webbing be very soon.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Well I'll.
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  Speaker 4: Have I think maybe something coming up with like MSNBC
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: or CNN something of that nature.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when it happens, she won't let me know, and
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I will let everybody listening and watching know. You know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: she is a research and development dermatologist for over twenty
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  Speaker 2: five years.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: She came into my life when I was managed the
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Steve Harvey Morning Show and she.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Has not left.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a good thing because she allowed me to
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: have honest conversations about hair and skin supplements. Again, Bella
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  Speaker 2: Neutra for women. Give out their website one more time
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  Speaker 2: for women and men. Bella Neutral.
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  Speaker 1: What's that site?
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  Speaker 4: So it's doctor Macna dot com, d R N A
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  Speaker 4: C l I N dot com or Belabo Products dot
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  Speaker 4: com b e L l A b e A U
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  Speaker 4: Products dot com. I help people along the way.
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  Speaker 3: That's what's different about what.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: I do versus these other imposter hair vitamin companies. Right,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: you have a dermatologist that's the developer and that's actually
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: able to help via online, help.
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  Speaker 3: Them with questions along the way.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I've got tremendous success and people people love me,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm happy and I'm blessed, and I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Humble, very humble, I will tell you that, very humble.
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  Speaker 2: And again, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation
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  Speaker 2: master last and thank you for allowing me to get.
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  Speaker 1: You right after Thanksgiving.
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