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George Wallace- Legendary Comedian and Author; Dr. Michael Eric Dyson- NY Times Best-selling Author; Chef Tregaye Fraser- Winner of "Food Network Star"; Chef Huda – Talking Food with Award-winning Chef; Derrick Rutledge- Celebrity Makeup Artist · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: dot Com guests. This we call legendary comedian George Wallace
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  Speaker 1: Right now, I'm Sean McDonald my next guest. They call
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  Speaker 1: him the Man, they call him the comedian, the legend.
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  Speaker 1: He is George Wallace. George Wallace an award winning comedian
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  Speaker 1: who has been selling that comedy clubs and concert venues
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  Speaker 1: all over the world for decades. He recently launched a
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  Speaker 1: twenty residency at the Westgate Las Vegas result in Casino
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  Speaker 1: prior to the pandemic. Since city his name his name
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  Speaker 1: through admiration because he's been that many years. By nicknaming
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  Speaker 1: him the new Mr Vegas. Wallace awarded a Lifetime Achievement
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  Speaker 1: Award as the sole Trained Award Comedy All Stars won
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  Speaker 1: Best Stand Up Comedian at the prestigious American Comedy Awards.
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  Speaker 1: His first book book Laughing Off. Now he has a
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  Speaker 1: new one called Board Twit and Whatnot. The online ramblings
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  Speaker 1: of George Wallace. Please work on the money making conversation
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  Speaker 1: my friend George Wallace, Hell, old are you a young man?
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  Speaker 1: God bless you and yours and everybody, uh not that
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  Speaker 1: we're on. Before we started, you gave me a little
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  Speaker 1: lecturer and what was that lecture about? You? On how
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  Speaker 1: many stations? And some of those are what on the station? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm on podcast and then I'm on church station.
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  Speaker 1: More like about fifty stations now syndicated nationally, and so
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  Speaker 1: I do want to let you know. You know, George,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we have a huge story to tell us
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  Speaker 1: about those churches, those church people calls as much as
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  Speaker 1: I do what you tell me talking about church people.
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  Speaker 1: Every sing over the church. Last Sunday was the first Sunday, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you had communion. We got this new communion. They
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  Speaker 1: got the wine and the wafer combining the same container.
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  Speaker 1: And and I see little old ladies in black dresses
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  Speaker 1: just custom trying to open that. You can't get the
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  Speaker 1: wafer off by the time the preacher say, let us all,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't drink together. I see a lot old lads
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  Speaker 1: from the mothers bore the white dressers ond this some
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  Speaker 1: bull trip. This is some bull trip right here, bull
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  Speaker 1: twit and whatnot the only George Waller, George, come on now,
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  Speaker 1: we've been knowing each other for years. Your first book
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  Speaker 1: laughing off. I loved it. I love listen, thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much. I had it was in the third uh printing,
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  Speaker 1: and I sawd more books than I thought. And they're
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  Speaker 1: still buying that. But the new book, right, it's going
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  Speaker 1: crazy bull twitched. You think the pandemic has something to
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  Speaker 1: do with people at the house, They got time on
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  Speaker 1: their hands, unemployment. What do you think white people? Why
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  Speaker 1: is it? Why is it? Why is it selling so
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  Speaker 1: much a combination of everything? Because we are at home.
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  Speaker 1: I'm at home. I'm inconcelerated here in Atlanta, sent to
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  Speaker 1: March fourteen and got nowhere to go, nothing to do,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe taking it too serious. I don't know, you
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  Speaker 1: can't take it too serious. But I'm very cautious. I'm
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  Speaker 1: social distancing I uh rashan. I'm trying to stay six
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  Speaker 1: feet away from myself. That's all. That's all. And to this,
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  Speaker 1: I would let's talk about that because see em tell
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  Speaker 1: you so in March when it hit man. You know,
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  Speaker 1: because we we you know, comedians, we always see something
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  Speaker 1: in the third eyes. So we see humor. We're also
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  Speaker 1: see reality. And so when I when I first went
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  Speaker 1: out in public, I when I was in Houston, Man
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  Speaker 1: and I had my gloves and I didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: maska at the time. I had like a ski mask.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of pulled it up over my note and
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  Speaker 1: then I I had me some Parrell leftover prell because
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know at the time parrel would be like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, liquid gold. You know what I'm saying. And
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  Speaker 1: so I went to hold deepot when its side and
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  Speaker 1: I came out, I didn't know what to do. So
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  Speaker 1: I take my gloves off to the stuff. I bring
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  Speaker 1: out a home deeper. Was it contaminated? I was just
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  Speaker 1: a mess of confusion. I took the gloves off and
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  Speaker 1: I repreed my fingers and looked at my sterwheel. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what to do with my sterwheel. I was
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  Speaker 1: just a mask. That's how it was. When when at
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  Speaker 1: the very time. Now I'm a lot more calmer. Now,
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  Speaker 1: how did you react to the pandemic? Well, I was
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  Speaker 1: just like you. I was doing stupid stuff. My mask
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  Speaker 1: is over on the table. But I had a mask.
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  Speaker 1: I got a shield, right, I got everything. I reacted
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  Speaker 1: in such a different way. Man, let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: I was doing all kind of crazy thing like eating
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  Speaker 1: habits are different, right, like this morning, I had a
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  Speaker 1: hot dog and potato salad. Right, I'm doing all kind
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  Speaker 1: of crazy thing yesterday. But then I had chicken, cheerios
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  Speaker 1: and cheesecake. So I'm doing stupid stuff. But I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to keep laughing and trying to stay happy. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to practice social just this the thing and right, but
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a different dadtime. It's a new day. Even
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  Speaker 1: with the last week. My daughter drove by to visit
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  Speaker 1: me and uh. I live on the tour the fifth floor,
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  Speaker 1: so she was down in the park a lot and
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  Speaker 1: I wave better. I said, keep moving. Curve by way,
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  Speaker 1: drive by way, drive by wayn drop by love's drop
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  Speaker 1: by love. But listen also with it if it's something
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  Speaker 1: what we're doing. The Stummer is not gonna get together
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  Speaker 1: for Christmas. We're gonna zoom like we're doing right now, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: which is small. This is much fun. We're just gonna
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  Speaker 1: have Christmas in July. July is all we can do.
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  Speaker 1: Better Now, let me let me you just it's just
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  Speaker 1: part of your online rambling right now because you ain't
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  Speaker 1: making much sense to me. But you're funny though. It's
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  Speaker 1: just it's just rambling right here. This is what it's
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  Speaker 1: really you know, because you just because you just joined
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  Speaker 1: social media last week. See, you were in the late
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  Speaker 1: comments to social media. You didn't understand what tweeting almost.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to say this to you, but it looks
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  Speaker 1: like one of these things. I'll drop down, drop down. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm being very serious about Christmas in July. It's happening now.
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  Speaker 1: Some of these families, like my family, part of my Fromlin, Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much love in the house. They don't mind
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  Speaker 1: meeting up, but I want them to know that meet
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  Speaker 1: up later. Social distancing, you don't know where people have been.
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  Speaker 1: You have people coming in from everywhere. So I want
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  Speaker 1: you to practice safe, safe practices and and and do
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  Speaker 1: the right thing and try to That's why I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: we can celebrate Christmas in July. Jorge, how can you
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  Speaker 1: take advice from a comedian? Now? Okay, because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you're seriously, how can I take advice for you? You?
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  Speaker 1: Finally do you alleged you don't You don't need to
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  Speaker 1: take advice. I mean you just need to listen. I
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  Speaker 1: want you to be around to buy a ticket. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want you going out to all these uh like
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  Speaker 1: I live here in Atlanta, right, And sometimes I think
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  Speaker 1: they did not get the message here in Atlanta. Some
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  Speaker 1: of these young kids are not taking it seriously. I
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  Speaker 1: think you've got to do that. And when I say
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  Speaker 1: these kids running around, I'm going and I may be
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  Speaker 1: wrong by saying that. You know, sometimes we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: the number being disproportional or in our neighborhood higher. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just tell your truth. Because they ain't
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  Speaker 1: wearing the mask. Put the mask on, right, Please put
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  Speaker 1: the mask on. While the mask and we know the
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  Speaker 1: mask does make a difference when when you have their
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  Speaker 1: fear as leader, we call our fearless leaders, George. You
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  Speaker 1: know Donald Trump, who go to the Army Navy game,
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  Speaker 1: he don't wear a mask, who telling everybody he don't
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  Speaker 1: want the White House staffers, you know, fascinated. So you
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  Speaker 1: have all these mixed messages. What do you say about
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  Speaker 1: somebody who's leading us down the wrong path? Well that's
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  Speaker 1: the problem. Since two thousand and six, I'm gonna write
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  Speaker 1: another book. We're promoting my book to date called We'll
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  Speaker 1: Twit and my other book excuse me, church people, but
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be the name of the books. Trump upped
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  Speaker 1: up my life. And I'm serious about this. Trump just
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  Speaker 1: because of leadership, Okay, that's why this country has gone
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  Speaker 1: down the wrong path. And I did rather to joke
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  Speaker 1: about stop calling it the skin of virus, and let's
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  Speaker 1: call like one of it is the Trump mups right,
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  Speaker 1: right right. That's happened here is that just because of
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  Speaker 1: his leadership, he could have mandated the mask and it
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  Speaker 1: could have been much better when some more cases than
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  Speaker 1: China has I think Hong Kong is around five thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Death's totally every day when that leadership crossed through, right
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  Speaker 1: for us. Now, let's go back to the book, which
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  Speaker 1: was really funny. I like I said, I love laughing off.
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  Speaker 1: You came on my show when that book came out.
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  Speaker 1: I got that at the house, and so it's one
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  Speaker 1: of the funny things. It's kind of like the kind
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  Speaker 1: of like phrases you can like put on your refrigerator
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  Speaker 1: or you put on your mirror. You can like cut
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  Speaker 1: of chop up the book, or you can take pictures
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  Speaker 1: of the book. The bull Twitter and whatnot? And one
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  Speaker 1: of the favorite phrases I've because you know, the thing
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  Speaker 1: I've always liked about you, George is that your comedy
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  Speaker 1: has always been tied to logic. Are people not using
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  Speaker 1: common sense? Right? And so on? One of the favorite
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  Speaker 1: lines and left, why is it so easy to pick locks?
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  Speaker 1: And movies that tell like, no, if you got you
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  Speaker 1: got the momer dollars in there, right and back? Come on?
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  Speaker 1: What what? What? What? What with the plan? What? What?
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  Speaker 1: What the uh? When you holding the paper with a
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  Speaker 1: paper clip? Paper clip? Right? Stupid stuff. So, Rashaan, these
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: are my online rams, and I'm just venting talking about
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  Speaker 1: different things. But that's so true. That's so true. That's
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  Speaker 1: so true, you know, because you watch these movies and
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you said, it's a vault.
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  Speaker 1: They come in there, man, they put their ear to
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  Speaker 1: the to the safe, to the safe click click click open, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Or you know back in the old days, you know,
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  Speaker 1: used to be to push the lock, the key out
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  Speaker 1: the door, slide you some paper and then pull the
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  Speaker 1: lead key. That's an old school. But nowadays they're just
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  Speaker 1: going I was watching the movie the other day where
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  Speaker 1: I was watching, uh, the last Mohican Last That's one
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  Speaker 1: of my all time favorite movie. First of all, he
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  Speaker 1: had he was handcuffed next day and he didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the hand comes on, I said, how didn't got the
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  Speaker 1: handcuff all in the movie? Can you be handcuffed and
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  Speaker 1: you're not handcuffed? So that's why not all in the
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  Speaker 1: Movie's my online rymblings about things like they're just because
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  Speaker 1: I gotta get it in and so many of the characters. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: just how pool we were growing up? Mr, how cool
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  Speaker 1: we were. But you may not know this, but I
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  Speaker 1: raised boring and raised in the line. We were so
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  Speaker 1: poor that we couldn't listen to We could only listen
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  Speaker 1: to the tips. That's what I'm trying to say. We
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  Speaker 1: never knew that was a Gladdys We never knew that
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: was a Gladys night. We were just we were just
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: really cool. Don't laugh. There's certain people, you know, like Sanford.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know there was a sun until about twenty
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  Speaker 1: years ago. We couldn't watch we didn't know about something.
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  Speaker 1: I got that. This is the one that got me
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  Speaker 1: in your book though, it just feels like our broker
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  Speaker 1: straight up. I know my church people here, but how
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  Speaker 1: how did that get that sexy to you. M right there,
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  Speaker 1: the one man. Why do they say stupid thing right now?
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  Speaker 1: This morning? Roker said in New York City, it's forty
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  Speaker 1: five degrees, but it feels like it's thirty six. Right.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: If it feels like at six, it must be thirty six,
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  Speaker 1: staying stupid stuff. I talked about stuff like that, right,
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  Speaker 1: listen to Richa. I love the book because these are jokes.
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  Speaker 1: Normally I wouldn't when I rove the brook. Why should
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  Speaker 1: I give away my jokes for free when people get
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  Speaker 1: paid for them? And I thought, wait a minute, I'd
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: be thinking, some of these people will never ever get
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: to see George Wallace in Las Vegas, in your local
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: city where I come. Right now, I can visit, and
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  Speaker 1: people can visit me from all over the world after
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  Speaker 1: we can have And that's what social media did, fading off.
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  Speaker 1: read your book, jog what you ain't gonna do that?
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  Speaker 1: Like I didn't read your book. You know that's so cool, man,
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  Speaker 1: I read your book. Now, you know one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite joke. We grew up so cool. We stayed at
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  Speaker 1: the two seasons, but let me teach hey, don't even
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  Speaker 1: get a good down. The other side of that replies
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  Speaker 1: that I get back right, right, right, right right. It's
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: a reprise of people get back now after twister joke.
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  Speaker 1: When you come see me now, I'm staying at the
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  Speaker 1: fourth season. It's like ten thousand dollars a day for
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  Speaker 1: sweet I mean, you know I did the joke. I'm
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: gonna bring this joke back in the lady the maid
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  Speaker 1: asked me if I wanted her to change my sheets.
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  Speaker 1: I told I want you to change everything in this
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  Speaker 1: room ten thousand dollars a night. I wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: those trippers off the ball. You get to get a
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  Speaker 1: for ten thou dollars a night. So then you make
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: things when you come here and you hear a different
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: type joke to tweet. You got another favorite treet there
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  Speaker 1: some of the stupid stuff I would do because you
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  Speaker 1: know me, I'm different. Like you said, I don't play
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  Speaker 1: by the rules. You don't play but you never played
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  Speaker 1: by the rules. And but the cupcake out of pan
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  Speaker 1: and pancakes out of cup that's that's scary. That's scary.
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  Speaker 1: That's scary. Now here's one of the other favorites that
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  Speaker 1: I read. Okay, shout out to the top five. Ain't
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  Speaker 1: in the world, Ain't no mountain high enough, Ain't no
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  Speaker 1: voy loring enough, ain't too proud to bread, Ain't no
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  Speaker 1: chunchdown when he's gone, and I ain't staring in the book.
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  Speaker 1: Then they got in the book, I'm free. You're saying free.
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  Speaker 1: I see, I read the book. See that's the rambling parts.
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  Speaker 1: He getting old, George, you're forgetting what you wrote. You
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  Speaker 1: forget what I'm gonna tell like my daddy tell you,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to read the book. I wrote the
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  Speaker 1: damn book. You forgot what you wrote? Then, joy, and
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  Speaker 1: we're talked about forget because I'm looking. I'm more. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going into my real jokes. And like I said, these
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: are ramblings. Go ahead, give me another one. I ain't
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  Speaker 1: give you nothing else because they'm tired of you. Joy,
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  Speaker 1: I'm tired of you disrespect that get when you come
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  Speaker 1: on my show. Nobody just respect me like you I've
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  Speaker 1: been knowing you. I'm not a I'm your real daddy.
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  Speaker 1: Something about and the book is people to buy it.
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  Speaker 1: The quality of the book, that's what I like about.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I'm yeah blurred, y'all blurred every time me,
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  Speaker 1: all of the book blurred. The book blurred, the book.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I don't to get back at you now,
• 15:42
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  Speaker 1: what that big old flower napkin you got in your
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  Speaker 1: lapel in that pocket. I don't know what that is, George. Somebody,
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  Speaker 1: somebody just pops up. And sometimes I don't understand that.
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  Speaker 1: That's not it pops up. Sometimes it girls like a
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• 16:41
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• 16:47
  Speaker 1: you know U was a late player to the social
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: media game, you know. And uh, and so because you know,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: you started to stand up with our social media. You
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: were famous for social media, you're telling me, and still
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: tell like venues in comedy clubs. So what made you
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: finally adapt to social media? First of all, I've been
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: doing stand up since seven Okay, that's how long I've
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: been doing comedy. The reason why I came to Twitter
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: was because I had I just wanted to be a part.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: You gotta keep still relevant, you gotta do what I love.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: The young people what they're doing. Uh. Some people are
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: not even going to television anymore. There's a comedian named
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Country Wayne that's my point, nobody knows who the health
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: he is, but through social media he sells out everywhere.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: You know, media, I do things like that, you gotta
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: change bunch of times. And so that's why I'm on
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: uh tweeting and I'm on uh, I'm going, I'm going
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to Instagram. I gonta do more on Instagram. I love TikTok.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I love me some TikTok. I love all of those
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: funny stupid things that I just love what the young
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: people are doing. And I'm trying to stay young with
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: we shard stays topical. Don't tell you schange, stay young,
• 17:55
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• 18:00
  Speaker 1: you got your legend. She sometimes you guys say topical.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: You guys stay young. You know you're your your a legend.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: You know I want your mentor we want to be
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: George wa trying to stay young. I'm just trying to
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: just trying to beat me. I'm just just and you
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: are you every day life. But one thing I've always
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: knows is about you. You know, like youtu've opened for
• 18:16
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• 18:19
  Speaker 1: you at you know, charity venues. You and I have
• 18:23
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• 18:27
  Speaker 1: been the most fun part about your career, George Wallace?
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I think I can tell you that by just saying
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the most fun part about my career is that how
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: blessed I am. I'm so blessed too. I have a
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: passion for being around funny people, and being funny and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and enjoying what I do for life. God has blessed me,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: so I'm getting ready to choke up right now because
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: He's given me a job my passion. All I do
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: is lie, just lie. I just make up stuff, I
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: just book and I just love lie. I want to
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: be the great ask God to let me be the
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• 19:04
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• 19:09
  Speaker 1: But right now Donald Trump is kicking the Twitter now
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: they I don't love what I do. I'm so blessed,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and I know you love what you do. Look at you.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: You got a brand new sup. What you gotta take
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: back the name of Marchster Borrow. You're looking good, Yes, sir,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying. It's don't lay away. Actually it's
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: lay away, so you can keep it. But I know
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the counter I enjoy with their lives. Yeah, so I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: know I'm behind the counter, so I can take it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: And then as you're giving the money back, I won't
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: lose ten percent. You know at Walker, that's how it works.
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  Speaker 1: But I know behind the counter, if you know black people,
• 19:47
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• 19:51
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• 19:53
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• 19:56
  Speaker 1: if you know a white person behind you, look good.
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  Speaker 1: Every white person behind the counter, George, you really get
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  Speaker 1: some discounts. If you know a white person behind the count.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you see. You know all these new clothes,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: show these clothes that costs. Stop doing that's the one
• 20:14
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• 20:17
  Speaker 1: for that stuff. Do you want a sample? You have
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: always they give you a sample, They give you they
• 20:22
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• 20:24
  Speaker 1: through these stores that I go to a different store.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I get any cologne, I want do you have a
• 20:28
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• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you read, you wrote it during the pandemic. Okay, residency
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: got canceled because of the pandemic. But it didn't stop you. No, no, no, no,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: it did not get canceled. My name is still on
• 20:43
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• 20:46
  Speaker 1: because in the world's largest sports book. But are you
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: going over? I will be back. Okay. What is it
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: set up? Because I went to your previous shows on
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Monday nights. Is it seven days a week or dark
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: day on on Sunday? What is the schedule when go back?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I will go back to schedule will be the same
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Tuesday through Saturday through Saturday at eight o'clock at the
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: west Gate. And we love to have fun there. And uh,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the situation is gonna be with
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the new UH rules you know sometimes and maybe the
• 21:17
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• 21:20
  Speaker 1: problems in Laws Vegas right now. I don't know what
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the new ramifications are going to be by the state. Uh.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: But you qualified me the joy you owe. You qualify
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: for the vaccine early, don't you? Yes, I do yes,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I do. And I think I said I was not
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: gonna take it because of the past history of us,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you know, and then I thought about it, and maybe
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and take it because I don't
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: want to get the disease, uh when I had an
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: opportunity to take it. So I'm deliberating on so you
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: talk experiment if you're talking about yes, that program and
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: there was another program too, But that's why black people
• 21:55
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• 21:57
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• 21:59
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• 22:02
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be yet, but right now so many people
• 22:04
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• 22:07
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• 22:09
  Speaker 1: be always on the side of right. But let me
• 22:12
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• 22:18
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• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you do? Door dash? How do you? How do you
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: have a been a grocery store. I haven't been to
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a grocery store since March. I really like it. Everything
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: is dropped up at my door, the pharmacy at my door.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Any restaurant out need in Atlanta. It can be at
• 22:37
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• 22:39
  Speaker 1: never ever order steak dinner uh from a restaurant because
• 22:43
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• 22:45
  Speaker 1: my house, it's hot, and it's good. I'm actually enjoying
• 22:49
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• 22:51
  Speaker 1: go back to You want some of the old practices
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: we had. Well, I'm surprised you don't. You didn't you
• 22:56
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• 22:59
  Speaker 1: surprised you didn't have any bull twitch. You gotta put
• 23:02
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• 23:05
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• 23:07
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing for saying that, that
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: could come up laughing all the time. A lot of
• 23:12
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• 23:16
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• 23:21
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• 23:23
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• 23:26
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• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I love where the shield. Okay, hold up the book
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  Speaker 1: one more time. George, you know this shield looked like
• 23:39
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  Speaker 1: Get this book. I appreciate you much. And uh, my
• 23:54
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• 23:57
  Speaker 1: gege it's cheap. I'm sorry background. I'll just tell you
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: something when I get it right, I mana invite you
• 24:05
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• 24:07
  Speaker 1: my studio's gonna be on fire. And it looks good. Now,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I know you. I know you shocked that though. Come
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: how good it looks. It's gonna be like before I
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: come there, I ain't going nobody you're understanding. Um, and well,
• 24:19
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• 24:24
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• 24:26
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• 24:29
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• 24:33
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• 24:50
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• 24:59
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• 25:25
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• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I'm venting and you can vent along with me, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Okay, Well, George, first of all, thank
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: you for coming on my show. You've always supported my
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• 25:51
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• 25:53
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• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I don't do no your mama jokes. But I did
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: do some Christmas shopping for your mom, and you come out,
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• 26:04
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  Speaker 1: for some other people. I've been working with her, So
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I look, I'm just with Steve Harvey. Alarm over here
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: do you go? Now you go? You know, I like
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to believe I had a little blessing on each one
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of them. They blessed me. And uh and more important
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: your information that you've given us. And I want to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: go right off the part. And you know, twenty has
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: been amazing racial year for us, you know, as African
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: American men. You know how we've always felt about the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: police from a standpoint of a strong level of comfortness,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you know. And but but they're seeing it play out
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: in the public's eye. How would you say, cell phone
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: has player and cell phone has really been the game changer.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And I pursued a racial justice, there's no doubt about that.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: It's a great way to characterize it. The Gutenberg shift
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: introduced by the smartphone particular, has changed the game. Now
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you know black folking technology were always doing stuff outside
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the box. Yes, we had beepers before we knew doctors
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: had beepers right right, Oh, physicians have them too, what
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: had and we knew what was up so and they
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't just paging their girls. Absolutely, we have always made exorbitant,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: extravagant use available technology, and what we've done with the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: smartphone has been extraordinary to be able to record. I
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: mean when we captured in Rodney King that was on
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: a home video record, um, but but a portable one.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Now with the smartphone, it's even more accessible. Everybody in
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: their mama, grandmama, grandson, you know, cousin, uncle has a
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: smart phone. Everybody wants to be Margaret book White or
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you know Gordon Woods and was there or Deborah Willis.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: So the thing is is that we're able to use
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that smartphone to record what we say is true. We've
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: been telling you all that the police act out of hand.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: We've been telling you all that no matter what we do,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: they can cut the fool. As my dad used to say,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: they treat you with disrespect. They will ignore you often,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: they will ignore your humanity, your desire to be treated
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: with equality. They will be angry at you and resentful
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: for you even having a backbone or a voice. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: now these these video cameras have recorded it. Whether sometimes
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: it's on the body cams of some of these police people.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: But we can't really rely on that because they turn
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: them off and on when they want, and they capture
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: what they edited in their altar their own advantage. But
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the video recorder on the video camera on the smartphone
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: has changed the game. George Floyd, Eric Garner, Walter Scott Um,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Jacob Blake, Sandra Bland. We we know, well that was
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: recording from the uh from the body camp, but we
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: know that the phone can change the game and make
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: people see what we've seen and at least throw a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: monkey wrench into the proceedings when people are trying to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: act like we were acting the food, we were trying
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: to run away from the police, we were trying to
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: custom out, we were trying to shoot them. All that
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: has been put to rest. The smartphone is extraordinary. Now
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: let's talk about this because you know, when you when
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I'm reading your book, you know, because it's like five chapters,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you know, titled black Deaf, Black Blue, Plague, White, Theft,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Seeing Read White, comfort. You know when you you know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: whenever I see a Henry Lewis Gates Journey Jr. No
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: documentary was on PBS. So you know, whenever he gets
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: to Dr Martin Luther King, man, I can't watch that part. Man,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: that's the part of history. Mayor, I can't watch. I
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: saw this weekend when he was going through when he
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: got to that name, he said in eighteen sixty, I
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: turned off the TV. Now you may not get there
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: with you. I heard death. Seriously, I heard that, Paul.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I turned it off. I turned it off something I
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: don't want erupt you. But given what you're saying, when
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I go to the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis and
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: get to his room from three or six, I cried
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: like a baby every time. So it's like, I can't
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: you know. And so the reason I bring that up
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: because when you start looking at the Emmy Till and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Eric Gona, Brianna Taylor, and you know what happened to
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the fifteen year old of Chicago, Penduton, And they had
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the cop violence, but it was
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: about you know, black on black violence and somehow how racial.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: They goes back to the thirteenth Amendment when you are
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: really going to break it all the way down. Sandra
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Bland out of Houston, Texas area. How did you emotionally
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: hold it together? That's the question I want to write.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: And I'm talking to Dr Eric Mike's Dawston his book
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Long Time Coming Reckoning with RACI in America. Because you
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: are a scholar, you're intellectual, but you're still emotional, and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you see all this stuff lining up, you know, because
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: what happened is a certain series of disbelief coming about.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: When you go, really, I forgot about this, I for
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: kind of about this. Tell us about that emotional journey
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: putting this book together. No, that's a great point you're making.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And look, obviously it was very difficult. Black people are
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: traumatized and we're re traumatized. We are terrorized, and we're
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: terrorized again. We are hurt and we're hurt again. Um.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And so having to watch this, having to go to
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: see King's place where he was assassinated, which gets me
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: every time, it makes me cry like a baby. Uh.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: You know, people ask, well, why did you write the
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: book the way you did. I'll tell you why, Because,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: as you said, I'm not just an intellectual. I'm not
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: just a scholar, I'm a human being, I'm a black man.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: When I see this stuff happening to black people, I
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: have a choice. I have to choose how to present it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I have to choose how to articulate it. I have
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to choose how to express it. But I make a decision.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Do I want to share the horror of what happened
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: to George Floyd? Yes? Do I want to share the
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: horror of what happened to a mad Arbor? Yes? Now
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do it for sensational purposes. I
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: don't want to turn it into the pornography of black death,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: where these are snuff films, the last few minutes of
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: black life shown on a recording that none of us
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: should see. There's no question. But at the same time,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I figured, if they could endure the death, if they
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: could actually die, if they could sacrifice their lives not intentionally,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: there their their purpose here on earth wasn't, as far
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: as they knew, to amplify or to echo the extraordinary
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: quest for black justice in our time. And yet because
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: of the nature of their death, that's exactly what happened.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: George Floyd said he wants to change the world. He
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: didn't mean die and change the world. He didn't mean
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: die and leave his daughter and other children behind. He
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: didn't mean dieu in a enignominious death where he was
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: asphyxiated by the cops on a pavement street, where they
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: kept their knees on his neck for more than nine minutes.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: But because of how he died, that transformed this culture
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and indeed shook the globe. So if they could endure
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the death, the least we could do it's to grapple
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: with the hurt, the pain, the trauma, so that when
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: we watch it and see it and learn about it,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: we can say we don't want this happening to anybody else,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and let's make this the last time. That's the hope
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I have. And try to talk about what these people
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: have been through in this book. Well, you style it
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: into letters, and it really was you know, when I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: when I started reading, like I already told you, broken
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: down into five chapters. But the letter like Black Death
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: is tied to in Matil and you your story, it
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: really was a very humane way of of sadness. Like
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: you know, Sam Cook, you know change is gonna come
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: and I don't think so okay, and we're gonna be
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: at the mountaintown. We'll see on the other side. I
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: don't think so. And that's what your book is trying
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to say. It's not is sane, But can we make
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: it to them out top and look on the other side?
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Will change come? Dr? Dison? Yeah, that's a great question.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Not inevitably, not automatically. Not if we don't do it
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to make it happen ourselves. Not if we don't do
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: the things that will make change happen. It won't happen
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: because we wish it into existence. It won't happen because
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: we hope it into existence. It won't even happen if
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: we pray it into existence. You got to practice it
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: into existence. We got to operate it into existence. We
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: got to act and do do real live you know, practice,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: real live you know activity, social motion, social revolution, social resistance.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: We got to get up and intend the world to
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: be different. It will not change of its own. You
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and I must grapple with the means toward that end.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: And I do believe change can come, but only if
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: we recognize that. We've got to continue to raise our consciousness,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: raise our voices, and raise the awareness of the dominant
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: culture and among ourselves of what things should be done,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: what things should be addressed, the mechanisms by which that
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: change occurs, and how we can continue to resist link
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: arms and Naimes, as Susan Taylor says, with other like
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: minded people to make a difference in that sense, Yes,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I am hopeful, not optimistic optimism as the Ryan Holdnieber
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: the Theologian ship as a said, as a shallow virtue.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: But hope is deep. Hope is something that you believe
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in even when you can't see the evidence for it.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: You keep all moving forward. That's what I have, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I do believe that change will come. Sam Cook has
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: told us that here's something I've I've heard this a
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: lot of her. Tom Trump saying, there's a lot the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: word counsel is in your chapter four seeing read when
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you start talking about counseling culture a culture cancelation and
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Trump is saying that when you when you get rid
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: of the the Confederate Statute, that's counseling that culture denied.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: But then he doesn't let everybody know that we've been
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: canceled all the way because that information about slavery. You
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: know how Jim crow Laws is counseled because they don't
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: tell us about that because they don't want white people
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable when he's sitting in the classroom talking
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: about what the ancestors did to us. So we've lived
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: a life of culture cancelation. What is your So I'm
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I feel I'm with the right man to ask this question.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: What is culture cancelation of canceling culture. That's a brilliant,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: brilliant analysis, and we have certainly been canceled. You are
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: so right. That's why I'm against councel culture in our expression,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: because white supremacy is cancel culture. And I'm saying the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: councel culture even if we call it black Twitter or
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: social media. Look, you might get a Bill cos but
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: you might get a Harvey Weinstein, you might get an R. Kelly,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, you're doing the lateral movement.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: You're doing peer to peer and even some of the
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: powerful people you go after because you disliked them. But
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the cancel another human being, that's a white supremacist fashion,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: uh fantasy. That's a delusion that we can totally eviscerat
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: or wipe out, hold accountable, yes, make people responsible, yes,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: but to cancel them if you make a mistake, once
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: you're done and gone. I believe if Martin Luther King Jr.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: And Malcolm X were here today, they would be canceled.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Somebody would be trying to cancel them because of their faults,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: because of their failures, because of their narrowness on some issues.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: And yet these men did extraordinary things for us, the
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: absence of which would make us far poorer in spirit
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and in racial achievement. So to me, I'm not meaning
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: what Donald Trump is meaning. He's a about cancel culture
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: as pulling down them during uh Confederates flags and statues. Yeah, uh,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: you know what. I'm all for that. I'm all for
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: pulling them off the pedestal. That's not what I mean
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: by cancel culture. His notion of cancel culture is the
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: ability to continue to be demagogic and to be dictatorial,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and to be fascist, and to be anti just anti black,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: anti brown, anti indigenous, and to be exempt from social
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: critique and moral responsibility. That ain't what I'm talking about.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the inclination to believe that your moral
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: position is the only one, that the way you deal
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: with people with whom you disagree or who honestly make
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: mistakes is to obliterate them is to wipe them out
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: so that they have no comeback if they make one mistake,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: whether they're the governor of Virginia who appears in black face.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And if you canceled him, what would you have missed
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the fact that he restored the voting rights of ten
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: thousand ex prisoners UH in returning citizens in Virginia, a
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: large proportion of whom we're black, the stuff he did
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: with public health UH, and also the wealth disparities and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: some of the social justice issues there. If you cancel him,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: you cancel the opportunity to reorganize the logic of democracy
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: in Virginia. So the thing is not to cancel people.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Hold them accountable, make them responsible. Yes, pay for your
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: quote sins, But allow me a comeback so I can
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: say what what LLL. Don't call it a come back.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I've been here for years, Mama said, knock you out.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Let me have a chance to be redeemed, to be restored.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I am not down with this evisceration, this eradication, this extirpation.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: This is just wiping them out because I disagree with you,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: whether it's about sexuality, whether it's about gender, whether it's
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: about race. I don't want to witch hunt through white America. Heye,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: twenty years ago, did you call somebody the inn word
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: or did you do something wrong? I'm sure a lot
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: of people did a lot of stupid stuff. Or when
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: somebody's thirteen years old and they the miignorant stuff and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: now here they are fifteen years later trying to you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: become a ball player or get drafted, and we go
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: dig up about the stupid stuff that feat I mean, right,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: And my thing is, I'm not saying don't hold people
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: accountable for if you still feel the same thing at
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: at that you felt a thirteen and it was racist
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: and vicious, that's a different story. But if you evolved,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: if you've grown, if you said some stuff when you
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: were younger it was dumb, or you said some stuff
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: that when you were younger, and now that you're more
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: mature in a different position, you're willing to change your mind.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Let's provide people the opportunity to grow intov all. I
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: believe with that, you know, in reading your book and
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to Dr Eric Dice, Michael Eric Dyson A
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: long time coming up reckoning with the RACI in America.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: The thing that it was two things in the book
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: that really I was just taking it back. The detail
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: you know in your book, how you timelined out you know,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: George Floyd's murder, how you timelined out the interactions between
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: human Aubrey when he was hunted down black man running
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. You know, uh, you know, the father
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: and son and then the cameraman who said he was
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: just there alone for the moment, but then he blocked
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: his path. So what I'm telling you is this, you
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: gave me information I didn't know, which is a brilliant
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Uh understand, because you realized that we need people like
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: you to give us the additional details because the media
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: is only gonna give you a minute or nanny seconds
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: or caption of what it is. This book gives you
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the details, especially on that my my mom Aubrey. If
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you want to know exactly where we went down, you
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: gotta ride. They gotta buy your book, Michael, because your book.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Man is like, I was like, wow, you know, I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: mean from the time he got shot, then he got
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: shot again, and then he hit him to try to
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: fend himself off while he was being pursued, while he
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: was being shot in attack, how he was cut off
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: by this quote unquote. I was just there to take
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: film everything. I wasn't trying to stop him from escaping
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: or trying to stop him from doing it. Thing. Wow,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: how did all this information come to you? And how
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: did you think to detail it out like that? Because
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I'm telling it's brilliant, because it opened my eyes and
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: brought me emotionally back to the forefront. I got to
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: know more. I need to know more. And this is
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: a fantastic book. Well, first of all, I talked to
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of people on this book tour, and you
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: wanted the very few to dig into that, to acknowledge that,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: to talk about that. And I thank you for reading
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the book thoroughly, my man number one, because everybody who
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: talking to you ain't read Joe book. And you have
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: read it. Not only have you read it, you read
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: it thoroughly. Um, And that's a real honor, and thank
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: you for that. Yes, I wanted to lay that out. Look,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I did the quote spade work. I did the shoe
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: leather on the pavement kind of work. I went and
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: dug up the facts. I listened to the transcripts um
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: of what was happening, there. I looked at the film.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I looked at the breakdown, I looked at the timing.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I looked at what the father was doing. I looked
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: at what they claimed that they were doing. But, like
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: you said, the witness, I'm just there as an innocent party.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Now you the third dude there, and you try to
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: block my man from going any further and then retroactively
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: after the fact ex post facto, you trying to, as
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: my daddy would say, make like you the darned hero,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: and you're the one who made it possible for the
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: film to get out in the world. But you know
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: them other two white boys are the father and son
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: are mad at him. Why the hell are you recording this?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: And that recording is essentially it should clench our conviction.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: It should put us in jail for the rest of
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: our lives, because we hunted this man down like an animal.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: He was unarmed, he had no possibility of self defense,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: he had committed no crime, and out of wanting disregard
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: for his life and the stereotypical pursuit of a black
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: man as an animal, they went and hunted him down
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and shot him and killed him. And I wanted every
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: element of that to be brought to the fort, the
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: details to be rich so that people can understand exactly
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: what went down. I'm telling some again because now I
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• 51:02
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• 51:04
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• 51:07
  Speaker 1: and people know need to understand. I just love the
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  Speaker 1: And your beauty of this story is like the whatever
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  Speaker 1: right right? No? Thank you again. The close reading mcdonnald
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  Speaker 1: was doing here is an object lesson in critique, criticism
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  Speaker 1: both hands. The Pendleton I wanted to talk about. Now
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: we know it's really called neighbor to neighbor violence. People
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: kill where they live. Er black people who are killed
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: are killed by black people, but eighty four percent of
• 52:17
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  Speaker 1: where they are, because that's where the drama is. That's
• 52:35
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• 52:38
  Speaker 1: where the beef is. She was mistaken for a gang member,
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  Speaker 1: right they shot into the crowd, shot her in the back.
• 52:46
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• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Pendleton is lost. And that is the tragedy I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to speak about to illuminate the context of council culture
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  Speaker 1: because I draw a parallel between us snuffing out our
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: own in the radius of our intimacy, where are kin
• 53:10
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• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the way in which cancel culture operates to destroy communities, well,
• 53:19
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• 53:24
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• 53:28
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• 53:31
  Speaker 1: It's a digital version of that lynch mob going on,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to address that and as honest and
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: straightforward a way as possible. Well, thank you Michael for
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: coming on the show. Thank you for giving me a
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: book to read. Uh, you know, this is my new show.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I'm have a little table and we'll put back here
• 53:48
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• 53:49
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• 53:53
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• 53:57
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• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. You one of the great
• 54:06
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• 54:09
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• 54:11
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• 54:14
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• 57:30
  Speaker 1: woman to win Food Network Star, two time competitor of
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Cutthrough Kitchen, and three time Competitive Guys Grocery Games. She
• 57:37
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  Speaker 1: say now about you? Nine, let's talk about it because
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  Speaker 1: I you know, I can bake a little bit. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I can really bag, I could really bake and now now,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: but these competitions are a different world because see I've
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: been asked to come on some of these shows as
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: a contestant. Okay, and I told now not, rather be
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: a judge. But then I realized that they don't prep
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: you on the recipes. Okay, Let's let's go. Let's start
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: with the Food Network. Start where you became the African,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: first African American woman to win the Food Network. Start.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Tell us about that competition, oh man, that competition was
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: really stiff. It was really tight. But you know what,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer in UM just the power of manifestation,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: and I believe anything that I want to do, I
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: can't do UM. And it was so funny because before
• 58:41
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• 58:44
  Speaker 1: called Cutthroat Kitchen and God's Grocery Games. I had been
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: doing a lot of competing, right, And I remember sitting
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: in my bed seeing UM Food Network Star season eleven,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I see a lot of
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: people from like Cutthroaw Kitchen and God's Grocer Games. Why
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: didn't they call me? Was like, it's okay, I'm gonna
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: call me, and I'm not gonna feel like that long application.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: They're just gonna call me and they're just gonna put
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: me on the show. With two weeks later, Food Network Start,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Cuto Kitchen be Bobby's Play. I'll call me at the
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: same time to be on the show. So of course
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I chose Food Network Start because that's a job UM.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And then I remember because this was like, let's Stu
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: explain what you just said. You said, Okay, you had
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: a Bobby Flake called you, right, and then you and
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: then that what was those show that called you because
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: the kitchen called me to come back to do like
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: a reunion show, and then um Food Network Star called
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: me all in the same time the same day. What
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: was the difference and what made that decision to go
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: with the Food Network Star? How could you get a
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: job like Food Network Star? You become a Food Network Star?
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Like what do I want to do? Go play a
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: competition for a few seconds, or get a job and
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: become the next Food Network start. I think I'm gonna
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: go with Food Network Star. And you know at the time,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have a lot of money. So
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: I remember buying this dress and my bills was doing
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: everything chat but I was like, listen if the dress
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: was like five hundreds. But I was like, listen, this
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  Speaker 1: is dress. I'm aware when I win, So I need
• 1:00:13
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: And I said this dress, I'm aware when I win,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: and she laughed at me. But that is the dress
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: that I wore when I want Now. It was a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: challenge because there are not a lot of people like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: me on Food Network. I'm very different, I'm very loud,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I'm very fun um, and I just like to have
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: a good time, you know, as well as cooking as well.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: So you know, I talked a little different. I got
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: a country twang. I'm from Philly, but Atlanta is all
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: up inside of me. So um, you know, I knew
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: that it would be a challenge and I knew that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: it would be different. It was so funny because the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: first episode set the tone for the whole season for
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: me to really just shut it down, like I just
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: locked in because I came into it almost like changing myself.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Like I came on and they were like, well, we
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: want you to do a cold open. So I did
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: the cold up in my way, tree Gay Way originally, right, Hey,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: I'm tree Gay. It's gonna be killed. Yes, this is
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: this is this, And I remember Gianna saying, well, I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: like you, but um, I don't know, I've never met
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: anyone like you before. Um you seemed like a caricature,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: That's what she said. So for me, I was like,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I took that as like not taking me serious. So
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I changed. So when we got to redo it, I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: was like, Hi, I'm chef tree Gay. You know, and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I was real like mainstream, but we had to watch
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: the episode in the movie theater that was the challenge.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Tyler Florence was the judge, the guest judge, Bobby Flay
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and Jia and so we're in this big screen. So
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I was able to see myself outside of myself on
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: this big screen with all these people are here, and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: I was able to see that that is not the move.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Like I was completely different. I didn't even know who
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I was. I cried, and I remember Giada saying, well,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: who was that? Like? You completely changed? Like I was like, well,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: you know, you said I look like a caricature. And
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I wanted to take this serious because this is a job.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: You know. I need this for my children, myself, you know,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: so for me, you know, I want to be taken serious.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: And she was like, well, I didn't say I didn't
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: like it. I just said I've never seen anything like it.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: She was like, and you just showed us today that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: you can't even pretend to be someone else besides yourself,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: and we love who you are, so just stay yourself.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: That's all I needed. That was the green light. I
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: was gone. I started winning competition. At the competition and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: then I took home the prize. That's all I needed
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: to hear was that it was okay to be myself.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: That's important to say. That's why I want you to
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: share that story because of the fact that a lot
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: of people always typically you know, when you fall down,
• 1:03:03
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• 1:03:05
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• 1:03:07
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• 1:03:10
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• 1:03:13
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• 1:03:15
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• 1:03:18
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• 1:03:20
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• 1:03:23
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• 1:03:25
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• 1:03:28
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• 1:03:30
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• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: And that's all you're saying right there, ri Sean, I
• 1:03:35
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• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: time in my life. And then she looked at me
• 1:03:39
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• 1:03:42
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• 1:03:45
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• 1:03:48
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• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: it really did. Um, I mean it really just gave
• 1:03:56
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• 1:03:58
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• 1:04:02
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• 1:04:05
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• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:11
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• 1:04:14
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• 1:04:17
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• 1:04:21
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• 1:04:22
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• 1:04:24
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• 1:04:26
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• 1:04:28
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• 1:04:30
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• 1:04:32
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• 1:04:34
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• 1:04:37
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• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: different as well. You wanted the younger chef that have
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: gotten into those type of competitions. Okay, and let's say
• 1:04:50
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• 1:05:00
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• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: your career when you want food Network start, um my
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: immediate changes where you know, I started to become a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: part of like this different crowd. You know, all of
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: the people that I would look at on TV as
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: a kid, like they're my coworkers. Um, Like we're getting
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: paid the same amount, one of the same things, like
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: one shows like they are so so real. Um. Once
• 1:05:27
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• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: like we're all on the same playing field. Um, I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: just kept going with whatever they were bringing to me. However,
• 1:05:38
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• 1:05:41
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• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I tell people all the time, Sometimes
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• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: like you know you're gonna get it in me. But
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I had to learn very quickly that that's not how
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: it goes. This is a business, um business, and when
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: you're up, you up, and when you're down, you down.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: But when you're down, you know, what I learned was
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: to look at it as you know, this thing that
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: we call TV is really to market and promote me
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: and my business. So I got smart and I decided
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: because you know it's it wasn't it's addictive, you know,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: to be on a TV show and to be doing
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: these large commercials. I mean I've done Johnsonville commercials, national brands, laughing,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: cow cheese. I mean they were with me, a part
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: of all these big things. So who become became addictive?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: You know? That's all I wanted to do. I kind
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: of forgot about everything else that I did, and I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: remember I was super sad because you know, again I'm different.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: So they had to find a place to put me.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Um and listen, when I want Food Network, Starry, it
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't our Roses and Peaches. You know, was kind of
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: like what who you know? Um? So I had to
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: kind of get past that. But then I remember talking
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: to Duff and Duff is a I don't know if
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: you know Duff, but he's a cake guy on food
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Network Super Big. And I remember saying, man, what do
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: you do when you get in these positions? Because at
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: the time, like there wasn't a lot of TV coming in. Um,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I was not even focusing on my business. I was
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: more so like, why am I not getting more stuffy?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: You know? It was like a fast ride than one day.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: It was just like skirt, it slowed all the way down.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: And he said, you know what I did when that
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: happened to meetri Gae. I said what he said, I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: just started doing what I did to get me them
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: the first place. Just started making cakes. So I said,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: you know what, You're right. I went and I started
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: back doing my catering, started back doing my meal prep.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I started the line of products, my chef knife, my
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: season ends, my plant face butter. I just really put
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: everything that I was putting into television into myself. I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: got my own production company and I started doing like
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: YouTube and stuff. Um I started doing this thing culture
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Gate Eats Atlanta, and I would use I basically utilized
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: my resources. You know, I didn't I got I gained
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: so much from becoming a food network start because I
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: gained relationships, which are more important than even being on TV. Right,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, well, shoot, let me call
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: some of these producers. Let me call this, let me
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: call it a little the show I'm thinking about doing.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Let me call these restaurants. I've done twenty five episodes,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: the best thing I ever ate, so I know they're
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: gonna let me come and review that restaurant. This good
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: show for me. So I started doing that on YouTube.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: I just kept going and then one day I start
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: getting callbacks. They started wanting me back on TV. I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: guess they were watching. They were waiting. You weren't waiting, chef.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: You weren't waiting. That was the key. You weren't waiting
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: for them, and so the time that you were waiting
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: that was really making your answer you. Now we're filling
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: up with quality time. You work, building your resume at
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: your bio, and I tell people all that time. So
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: so now you're on own network. Okay, you gotta show
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: on the Oprah winfree network named after you. Okay, named
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: after you, But again, that still doesn't mean you should
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: sit around and wait for the next opportunity to make
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: your next opportunity. So the show comes on Saturday. It's
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: well third every Saturday on the own network, Tree Gauge Way.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: I know what that show is about. What are you
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: doing to build momentum beyond that show? As that show
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: is airing? Um, you know right now, since we're aeron
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Win the first season, I'm just kind of getting a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: lot of feedback. I'm I'm I'm educating myself more and
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: more recipes and more ideas and like what do people
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: want to know? I'm so proud of Tree Gays Way,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: like because it ain't been my way for so long,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And they have a show
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: named Sure Gays Made, and then it's like now I
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: maybe to like really see knowledge into people because I'm
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: really big into education, like educating people. UM. So I'm
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: just kind of taking what I have now the shows
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: are airring, and I'm just pushing what I have. I'm
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: pushing my products, I'm pushing more glasses, I'm doing stuff
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: with um my junior chefs. I'm trying to create more
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: things and more ideas around that. UM And the meantime
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: in between times, I'm working on my book because I
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: definitely have a story to tell So I'm in the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: process of working on that UM and then I'm also
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: getting ready to open a a prep kitchen because and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: in the front of it will be a UM a
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: specialty store because I have so many products and you know,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: especially right now with pandemic going on, one of the
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: things I realized in the beginning of the pandemic was
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: that there are so many chefs that need a place
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: to cook. They are like, they just need a kitchen
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: in these places they've charged so much. So I'm gonna
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: provide a safe haven for chefs to come and rent
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: out my kitchen space and also sell their products in
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: my specialty store so we could just keep building on
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: what we already have, which will also be a great
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: hub for the catering company. And I've been doing a
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: lot of catering lately. I've been doing a lot of
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: cooking classes lately, working on some seminars. So I'm just
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: building off the things that I already have and just
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: making them better. I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: and trying to do something different in the midst like,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: because this is the moment where I need to capitalize
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: off of all the things that I've been doing and better.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: So that's what I love it. I love the fact
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: that you are an entrepreneur because first of all, you
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: you you went in you want Food Network start a blessing,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: but then you got caught up expecting their phone, waiting
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: on their phone to ring. But then advice came your way.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Do the things that got you there. Yes, And that's
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: what I tell people all the time. You know, you
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people that are signed with big
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: agents in l A. And I'm with William Rs. And
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: then just stopped. We know that call to put you
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: in a movie, that call to put you in the sitcom?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: But why didn't william Are sign you? Like I said,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: why did the Food network start sign you? Because you
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: were busy? Like you said, you were on the cooking
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: kitchen and you went, I should be on that because
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: I've done the grocery games. I've seen these people with
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: guess what, they were being busy too. That's where they
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: got picked. The blessing in this whole conversation is you
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: got picked, but you on. And now from a business standpoint,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: you understanding what you have to do, keep the wheels
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: moving in a pro direction that you control and that's wonderful.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: What advice we should get people with hear and all this,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: all the things you've come through. You have a popular show,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: like I said, it's on own network airs every Saturday
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: or twel thirty Culture gage Way named after you. Chef,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: your gay Fraser Frasier, not on the show. It's your gay,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: that's her name. She's out of Philly now, she lives
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: in the lab. Got the great personality, got this great smile,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: got to have big hair. Doesn't look like the classic
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: chef that you will see o TV. But you But
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: but food is the number one viewed in social media,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: is the number one viewed on YouTube. And I've just
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: been waiting for the black stars like you just start
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: percolating to the top because black people love food and
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: I'm tired of our food being just so fooled. You
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We are a very diverse eating
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: community and that's what you're showing today to gage Way.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Tell us about your show, Oh man, your gaze Way.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: It's so amazing. I literally just take food and recipes
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: that I do with my family and my friends, and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: then I'm giving it to the people at home. You know. Um,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: We're in the fifth episode. Now, I literally everybody who
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: you see on my show, it's not a game. They're
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: really my children, they are really my family, they are
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: really my friends. Um. The beautiful thing about this show
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: is like when Oprah gave me the opportunity, she was
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: literally like, do whatever you want. And to have that
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: opportunity is like so amazing. So I said, if I'm
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: gonna do that, I'm gonna do that to the fullest.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: So one of my episodes are like brunch with my boys.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: So my you know, I do list to my son.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: He loves hot cheetos. So I did it like before here, No,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: so I did. I'm sorry, y'all. So I did a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: hot cheetah crusted chicken with cheddar chid waffles, and you
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: know another one how crusted chicken with cheddar chid waffles
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: and roasted red pepper sarah. Um. Then I did one
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: with my best friend and you know, he was one
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: of the biggest um Waste training line, like he does
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: the male waste trainers and he's a super big at
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: the gay community. And it was beautiful to be able
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: to bring him on the show. One to show how
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: versatile I am to where I also do healthy food too,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: because I could do classes for cancer patients here in
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the Atlanta area and so that was good. And then
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: to also be able to talk about my friend. You know,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: he came out to me, and you know, I wanted
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: him to be the best that he could be. And
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: so I felt that that would touch so many other
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: people who are going through that point in their life
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: and and seeing that you know, once you just be yourself.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I'm always about being yourself. And that was also when
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: the stenching of be yourself from the moment, from the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: food that we're starting to even that you know from
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: and that I encouraged that from other people. Another one
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: with friends Giving, where we did jerk turkey wings and
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: naked apple pie and I go to the apple orchard
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: with my best friend and we have so much fun.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: And my son's birthday party. So it's like, these are
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: all little things that you probably recognize in your own life.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: You know, everybody has friends, friends give it, everybody has
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: a little brunch. You know, everybody wants to get snatched.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: And that's another thing I name the show snatched because
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: one thing, um the episode was snatched because one thing
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I noticed is that you know, our lingo. A lot
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: of people. Once you get in this industry, you realize
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: they don't even understand what we're talking about. Now, that's
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: tin So I created a show around that because I'm
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: not just doing it for me. I'm doing it for
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: the culture. You know, I wanted to I want to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: shine and I want to be relatable and let other
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: chefs like me know that you could do this too.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: You know you could. You could have a little slanging.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: You know you have hell. You know you can do
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: your thing and still be successful. You don't have to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: be somebody else. You just have to own who you are.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Your friends, I love you, I love you, I love
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: your brand, I love your personality that I love your openness.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I love the fact that if you fall, you're gonna
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: get up because you know why you're doing this in life.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: You're not doing it because somebody told you to do it.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: And that's like you said that first episode. Food Network
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: really allowed you to say, I could be myself and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: I can win. And you're winning being yourself And I
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: gotta eat that. That that with a hot cheeto girl,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: And I think you made like I did, a braise
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: curry chicken with like a lemon rug killed and coalman
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: and keimwa and um a butternut squashing there and then
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: we did a man Go Dragon food smoothie. Like it's
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: so versatile. We do so many things. One of the episodes,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do some colar greens and smother
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: pork chops, like we do everything on that show. Because
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: I want to touch everybody. So I'm based. I'm based
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta. That my office has a full kitchen in
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: it because I love to cook another bag but my staff,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: and like I'm making them red beans and rice this week,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: with corn bread this week. You know they're gonna have that.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Then I'm making a like you I twitched up, and
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: then I'm gonna I'm gonna make a taco salad problem
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: for them on Friday, you know, and individual dishes, gonna
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: try to beat COVID safe and everything. But and so
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: so I want I want you to come by my place.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: You know, we sat down and video tape ourselves having
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: fun making something together and things like that. I I
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: gotta made them a spice cake. The other day, we
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: did a barbecue spread for lunch and my because I
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: wanted a place where I can enjoy my life. You
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: know where if I if I got to work early,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: because you know what happened when I used to work
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: when I didn't own my building, was I make it
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: at home and then I bring it to work. So
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: now they're coming I work. They started, they they're coming there.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: And the other day they came in. I was in
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: the middle of making raising pudding. Okay when the Carl mail,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I said the meeting was at eight this are you
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: gonna be ready? That's at the word put it in
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: the oven. Forty five minutes later me was open, pulled
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: it out of the oven, let the cool for about
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: ten minutes, having them some some some vanilla bean ice cream,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: and we was having a good time. So that's my
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: life and just hearing you you enjoying your life, and
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to stop enjoying your life. But
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I wanted to extend the invitation that I want to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: I want to promote your brand. I want to be
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: able to tell everybody how great you are, uh just
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: living your life, but more important you being you though. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: for sure. Well I got the invite, So you can't
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: take it back, No, no, no, no, you I can't
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: take back no, no, Now I've learned that in this call.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I know you. You put some on social media about me.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: You have every shot I'll be I'll be on Instagram story.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna come over here. And
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: you didn't say chef the kitchen. Absolutely shift come to
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: come to ket you you know. It's a big, roomy kitchen,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: you know. And uh and just let you to talk
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: about your career and stuff like that. And it's about
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: relationships and I'm big on relationship. Anything I can help
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: you do or point you in the right direction. I've
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: been blessed to be able to work with a lot
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: of famous people. I've been blessed to be able to
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: build a lot of big careers, whether this corporate or individual.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: So when I see somebody like you, who who is
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: a unique talent. You are a unique talent, and you're
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: still very young. That means that your future is gonna
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: be bright. But more importantly, you are a hard worker,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: and that's what I love about you. You do not
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: run from the dirty kitchen, especially if you're the one
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: that made it dirty. You're gonna clean that you. I'm
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: just coming from an event taking out the ear rings,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: lipstick on and everything, and I'm getting in there with
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: my team. My team no I don't like, is gonna
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: figure out another way. And I tell people all the time,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: if I can leave you with anything, it's just never
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: give up. And don't spend so much time worrying about
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: the bad. Takes away from time figuring out the process
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: to get to the good. You know, it's a journey,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: and you know we just gotta keep going through it,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: and it ain't always gonna be great. But when it's good,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: it's good, you know. So I just spend less time
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: focusing on negative more time focusing on positive. I do
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: appreciate the negative. Actually I embrace it um because without it,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: who could learn? How would I know if it's wrong,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: if it's never happened to me? Kick all the doors, look,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: look close all the doors in my face. I'm gonna
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: kick one down in there and push it back over
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: When she used to start your Gage Way. It airs
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: every Saturday or twelve thirty Eastern Standard Type on their
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: own network. She's one of my favorite people. In fact,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: she has an open invitation to come by my bill
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: then my office and we're gonna cook in the kitchen.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: We're gonna flip on YouTube or Facebook live and have
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: fun and laugh. Because I'm from Houston, Texas. I'm country,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: so how country used to tell? I'm country? And don't
• 1:20:57
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  Speaker 1: My next Jeff is chef who do chef who does
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  Speaker 1: and Food Network, Food Network and Records setting champion, an
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  Speaker 1: American Heart Association and ambassador chef who there doing the
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  Speaker 1: covid N team, which we all. She launched the Kitchen
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  Speaker 1: on I G to help bring joy people in this
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  Speaker 1: uncertain time. Her i G Live Food Party was packed
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  Speaker 1: with loads of fun cocktails, great music, delicious food and
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  Speaker 1: v I P guests now who were not invited. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I'm not v I p N for her little food parties.
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  Speaker 1: spiceline that we wanted to discuss called just Savor by
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  Speaker 1: Chef Hooda. Please working the money making conversation. She's a
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  Speaker 1: good friend of mine because she's gonna be back on
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  Speaker 1: the show. We're gonna be kitchen Kitchen. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: cooking kitchen the kitchen in a minute. Please welcome Chef Hooda.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing? My friends? Hi? How are you?
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  Speaker 1: You know? I'm throwing a little hating you. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Is that you that you've been throwing? And why have
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  Speaker 1: they been so successful? You know what, by the grace
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  Speaker 1: of God, everything that I accomplished gets done um so
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  Speaker 1: for because of what's happening in the world. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting time. Let's put that um and
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  Speaker 1: I think it's also made a lot of people grateful,
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  Speaker 1: made a lot of people stop. And it's been great
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  Speaker 1: because we started the kitchen quarantine parties. Because we're sitting
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  Speaker 1: at home, you know, film look down like everybody else
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  Speaker 1: was like what can we do? I was like, I can.
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  Speaker 1: I can show people how to feed themselves. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: I can puse our dads depending on who you ask.
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  Speaker 1: If not, I can act silly and be completely comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with that. So it really just started with us wanting
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  Speaker 1: to be bringing a little joy and be able to
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  Speaker 1: connect with people. And since people were in their kitchens cooking,
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  Speaker 1: some of them have never cooked before, some of them
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  Speaker 1: oatmeal is their dish of the month. We just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to give people some options. So it was really great
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  Speaker 1: and it was a wonderful response. We had everyone from
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  Speaker 1: Drain the Rock, Johnson uh retweet us or repost us,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just been really exciting and we've gotten the
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  Speaker 1: partner with some major brands and some nonprofits like Red
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  Speaker 1: Nose Day. So it's just been fun. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just here to have fun and just you know, bring
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  Speaker 1: joy in a delicious way with the kitchen. I can
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  Speaker 1: bake now, would I can bake? Not? I heard I
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  Speaker 1: got in the pirate cake. Let's talk about that. You
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  Speaker 1: don't don't have, don't wait, don't do jef holding Dwayne Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: ain't reposting me now, Okay, Dwayne Jeled the Rock. They
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  Speaker 1: don't tell everybody just because they confused because she kind
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  Speaker 1: of said that up. You know, I got reposted by
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  Speaker 1: Dayne's like she should be putting that in her credit.
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  Speaker 1: She's been reposted. My necklace has been reposted by Dwayne
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  Speaker 1: the Rock Johnson. Okay, she is they telling what where?
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  Speaker 1: That should be part of the credits, right that. You know,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: what makes a good cook in the kitchen? I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about in the kitchen and what makes a bad cook
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  Speaker 1: in the kitchen? Jeff, Oh, that you know. I like
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  Speaker 1: to say that everyone can cook. It depends on how much,
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  Speaker 1: just like anything in life, depends on how much time
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  Speaker 1: you dedicate to it and also your attitude going in
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: so a lot of people. I do a lot of
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  Speaker 1: touring where I used to before COVID, they do a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different cooking demonstrations um for a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different people. And the one thing I always got from
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  Speaker 1: people was, Oh, it's overwhelming, or I don't have time,
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  Speaker 1: or I can't find ingredients, or I can't do this
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  Speaker 1: X y Z is a long list. I always tell
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  Speaker 1: people cooking is about expressing love and joy. That's why
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  Speaker 1: you cook. You cook because you want to express love
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  Speaker 1: and joy. If you go into it with that. Either,
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  Speaker 1: even if you know that you can't boil while to
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  Speaker 1: save your life, that Bolletari you're gonna make is gonna
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  Speaker 1: have a different feel on it. So so I don't
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  Speaker 1: think there's bad cooks. I think there's people who just
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  Speaker 1: need to find their niche. And also I think that
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: there are people who are just really gifted and it
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  Speaker 1: comes back to share the gift. Either way, they can't cook,
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  Speaker 1: you listen, some people are destined to make really great salads.
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  Speaker 1: That's just gonna be there. I don't know if they
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  Speaker 1: can do the salary. I really, it's it's a you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's some mad people out there
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  Speaker 1: probably strangling you right now and go, hey, you have
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  Speaker 1: not met my husband, met my h you have not
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  Speaker 1: met my wife. Cannot cook And so so because you
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  Speaker 1: know when you're going the kitchen, you know, because the
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  Speaker 1: worst person you can learn for my guests could be
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  Speaker 1: your your your mom. You know, you know when they
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  Speaker 1: just they just grab stuff, just grab a salt shaker,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: grabs some pepper, you know, just start putting. Oh my god,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: these people make me sick. You know, because you can't.
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  Speaker 1: How is that? I don't know, Get out of my face?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Can you making You're making me nervous, baby, You're making
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: them in nervous. Baby. So what did you learn? Who
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: taught you? Your your your skill set in the kitchen.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: So we have some amazing cooks in my family, UM
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: My nana, my aunt Peggy used to cook, my uncle Darnell,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: who they all have passed. Um, So I was very
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: blessed in that sense. My mom she has I like
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: to say that she has her signature dishes like no
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: one can. No one can compete with her muffins or
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: her crapes or her roasted chicken. Like she She's not
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: gonna go outside of the box a lot, but when
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: she when she shows up, she shows out. So I
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  Speaker 1: like to think that I got a little touch from
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: all of my um, all my relatives, and also just
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: being around different cultures and being around different friends and
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: in their families. What eatin We'll imagine this Because I'm
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: a guy, you know, I'm a short cook, cook, cook,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: cut baker too. Like you know, say a creamal mushroom
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: soup is always in my cabinet, you know, because I
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: can take me some drumsticks. You know, season the bad
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: bars up, you know, put a little milk mixed that
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: that creamal marshroom poured over there, Put me some cheese
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: on top. Slide that bad bar in the oven by
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: fifty five minutes, come back out. You're looking good? Now?
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: What makes me mad? Because I'm on social media and
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: then I sometimes you know, I'm gonna tell you something.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: I use can peaches for my peach cobbler. I used
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: things like that new people. I never eat that. You know,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: you don't understand that's not real peach cobbler or that's
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: not you're using can Okay, excuse me? Stop? Where do
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  Speaker 1: you fall chef holder hood? When? When? When? When it
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  Speaker 1: comes to people like me who just want to get
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: the job done, No one just can taste good and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: make you win. So my philosophy on food has always
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: been you gotta do it works for you. Right If
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: I said these unrealistic expectations, I want you to make
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: eye crust hid dough, I want you to I want
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: you to make your sour dough bread from scratch, then
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: make the creutons. Come on, listen, we're all busy. We
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: all have different things going on. Family, We have jobs,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: we have just things. So you can find a shortcut
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: that is healthy. Um, shortcut that is healthy, I say,
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  Speaker 1: right healthy. If you can find one that works for you.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: It's okay to get things out of the freezer section,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: it's okay to they get things out of the can section.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Just make sure you're reading what you get, uh, that
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: you use for your pantry shortcuts, as I like to
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: call it. So if you're getting canned goods, make sure
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: there's not third or seven things in a can of
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: peaches because water, salt, maybe some sugar, that's it. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So make sure that you're just reading and informing yourself
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: on those greetings. But I think it's absolutely fine, um,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: because I think we're very far from the days where
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: it's like everything has to be from scratch. It has
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: to me, we're just not time for that. We're in
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: the Instagram world. Listen, when I need things, I need things,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: I just want to know who I was talking to,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not trying to insult to anybody.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling Ruth Sean I get you know. I
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: put my pictures on there, they go viral, you know,
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• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: then they get mad at me. You know, there's always
• 1:32:27
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  Speaker 1: know you hide their their ugliness. You know, they still
• 1:32:34
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  Speaker 1: you can't see it no more right now. So so
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: so my whole thing is that when when when you
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: come to what you're doing with your career now food Network,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: tell us about your experience of Food Network and how
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  Speaker 1: did it help your brand? Oh, it helped the brand tremendously. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I think all of the milestone things that have happened
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• 1:33:06
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• 1:33:37
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• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: in life. So going on Food Network and setting a
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: record listen, I'm a little competitive, but setting a record
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: for the highest winner on the history of the show.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: I think they were in season seven when I went on. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it was more than I did. I did say that,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't say Dwayne Johnson, whose network record setting
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  Speaker 1: But it was a great experience. Um, it's you know
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: the show very much. For those who aren't familiar with it,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: it was they sent you sabotages, so they started off
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• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: threw curveballs at you. So my ma, I always like
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: to say, the show is kind of like life. You
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: come in with a plan, you gotta make it work.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta make it work. Um, I think I'm one
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  Speaker 1: challenge is supposed to make corn bread and chili. I
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• 1:34:40
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  Speaker 1: bread while I was running around grabbing ingredients. But my
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  Speaker 1: story I got. No, No, you cannot panther because I'm
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: a great lover and I'm a corn bread lover, so
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  Speaker 1: you would, right, So you went like from corn bread
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: to grit. Now, please expline that to me. Please explain
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  Speaker 1: that to listen. I I realized I got because you're
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: running around and everyone's like, oh, it looks so easy
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: on on TV. It's easy to You're in there and
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: you run and trying to remember everything about all the
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  Speaker 1: things you forget when you go to the grocery store
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: in your regular life. Now you're under pressure, right right right,
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. Let me ask you
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  Speaker 1: this right quickly, stiff Now when you say okay, this too.
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  Speaker 1: Question I always wanted to ask, Okay, do you do
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  Speaker 1: they okay? They they bring you for they said, look,
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  Speaker 1: we want you to make you know these combinations of things.
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  Speaker 1: Do they prep you? Or is on the spot? Is
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: he really on the spot on the I can't do
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  Speaker 1: that show TV? Shif I can't do the show, I'm
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: not that skilled. I gotta have a day ahead of time.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm about to cook. You're telling me
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  Speaker 1: for real on TV? There's no no listen, you go
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  Speaker 1: from a green room to a set and then the vextine.
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  Speaker 1: of all, I know because they called me a couple
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: of times and now that I'd rather be a judge.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: I'd rather be a judge. Now I understand I have
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: I don't have the skill set to be a contestant
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: because if you brought me in that Rashaw mcdowal, we
• 1:36:18
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• 1:39:28
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• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: So now you have his line of spice flavors, a
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• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: how did they get started? Is it online? Right now?
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  Speaker 1: You know, in the middle of the cyber Monday, you know,
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  Speaker 1: come out for Black Friday. Can we go online to
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• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: love spicy food from Houston, Texas. You know, I love
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Cajun food. I love put some good salt on my food,
• 1:41:39
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• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: love spicy food. So what I saw a spice flavor
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• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: or you might think. I love spices too. I love flavors.
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  Speaker 1: I love different bringing different flavors through in different dishes
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  Speaker 1: if you don't expect it. So just sabor. We're actually
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  Speaker 1: you get three of our signature spices, you get a
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  Speaker 1: to try as well. Do you say you get a
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  Speaker 1: cooking class. A cooking class, how does that work? I'm
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: through zoom right, so zoom. So when you get your
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  Speaker 1: spice boxes, we currently have four designated spice boxes and
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: we're gonna come up with four different classes per months.
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  Speaker 1: So the spice box, you'll get an invite to the
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  Speaker 1: class that works with the spice pack that you ordered,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll instruct you on how naked and we'll
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: have good time. We'll have fun in the kitchen and
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: you kind of get to be in my kitchen space.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have a soundtrack and all the good stuff and
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: a Q and A afterwards, and it's just really a
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: time for people. It's like, Okay, a lot of us
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• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: so people know how to use the spices. Now. The
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  Speaker 1: just savor line, that savor r, the Savory spice line
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• 1:43:36
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• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: So like that's spicy garlic madness on some baked potato
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  Speaker 1: right there. That you're making jerk spice on some baked
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• 1:44:16
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  Speaker 1: lifestyles or just included into their traditional lifestyles. But I
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  Speaker 1: so I appreciate that. I'm I'm so excited. I am
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• 1:46:32
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• 1:47:36
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  Speaker 1: and invest the rest. So as your income increases, your
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  Speaker 1: cost of living should either decrease or stay the same.
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  Speaker 1: The Captain Markan Square Award represents men who have strength,
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  Speaker 1: whose wisdom is assertive, and who is genuine in their spirit.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Money Making Conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: My next guest is Derek Rutledge. He's arguably one of
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  Speaker 1: the most prolific and sought after makeup artists of his time.
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  Speaker 1: Derek Rutledge is launching a limited edition of Eye Last
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  Speaker 1: is known as the Derek Ruttledge Perfecting Your Presence, the
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  Speaker 1: p y P collection. He's known throughout the industry for
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  Speaker 1: helping is megastar clients to find their look. Derek reforms
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  Speaker 1: that perfecting their woman's presence begins with their eyes. Derek's
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  Speaker 1: Derek Brookler's p yp is including in this year's Oprah's
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  Speaker 1: Favorite Things holiday gift list, featured in the December issue
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  Speaker 1: of Old Oprah Magazine and Oprah mag dot Com. Please
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Money Making Conversations. Derek Rutledge. Hey, hey everybody
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  Speaker 1: out here, how you doing well? First of all, Derek,
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  Speaker 1: you know I first of all being on the line
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  Speaker 1: with somebody who knows how to get the face right?
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  Speaker 1: How did that start? How did the whole makeup things start? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we have twenty five minutes here, so I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I could tell you talk to you for
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  Speaker 1: the next three hours about that, but I'm gonna condense
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  Speaker 1: it for you. But you college um, from college to
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  Speaker 1: working with a publisher that took me to Europe and
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  Speaker 1: creating a wonderful portfolio that brought me back here to
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  Speaker 1: work with Deadly Cosmos Costology for about four years. From
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  Speaker 1: there to be et that, I was there for about
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  Speaker 1: five years and that's why I got to meet so
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  Speaker 1: many of the wonderful celebrities that I worked with now
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  Speaker 1: and worked with continuously for about twenty years, UM going
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  Speaker 1: you know, doing UM tours and mute movie videos and
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  Speaker 1: movies and videos and award shows, and then from there
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  Speaker 1: to getting that call of to come in an audition
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  Speaker 1: for the First Lady Michelle Obama and was there from
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine until eleven. And then while I
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  Speaker 1: was there, Oprah Winfrey saw my work and asked me
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  Speaker 1: if I were come in an audition for her. And
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  Speaker 1: once I did that, I was working with both Michelle
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  Speaker 1: Obama and uh first you know, Oprah Winfrey and then
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  Speaker 1: the because their schedules are so rigorous and they had
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  Speaker 1: such a tight schedule, it was very difficult to work
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  Speaker 1: with those who have made the decision into UM continue
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  Speaker 1: on with Open Winfrey and not being with her nap
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  Speaker 1: for the past ten years. Now, you made a decision. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it was your decision the first lady, that's what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: And your decision was open That was your decision. No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no no, it wasn't a decision, but it was okay.
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  Speaker 1: Both of them had schedules and you know it was
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  Speaker 1: it was aug tug a war, right and and UM,
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  Speaker 1: I've been there three years. It was. It was just
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was come on, come on, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: stop all this. I'm bragging about you now, Okay, a
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  Speaker 1: war between First Lady Rochelle Obama and Oprah Winfrey conceivably
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  Speaker 1: the most powerful black woman in the history of politics.
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  Speaker 1: You have to say her, that's and the most powerful
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  Speaker 1: Black lady in the history of entertainment and entrepreneurship. You
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  Speaker 1: can't get any better than that. That's a testimony to
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  Speaker 1: your skill set. Yes it is, Yes, it is. So.
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  Speaker 1: It was a long as room to get there. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean when I you know, I dreamed
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  Speaker 1: of being at the White House, you know I really
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  Speaker 1: wanted When I saw them, you know, Michelle Obama and
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  Speaker 1: Rock literally at the Inaugural ball dancing, I just kept saying,
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  Speaker 1: I really want to do her makeup. Now, let's backed
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  Speaker 1: that up to when I was working at BT every
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  Speaker 1: day at four o'clock, I would literally be sitting in
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  Speaker 1: the makeup room doing makeup on the celebrities as it
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  Speaker 1: were coming in and always tuning in at po o'clock
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  Speaker 1: saying then, back then, I just want to do Oprah
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  Speaker 1: one time. I just would love to just do open
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  Speaker 1: one time, you know, just so she could see my work.
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  Speaker 1: And that was back then in me because I left
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  Speaker 1: BT in UM two thousand nine World I show were
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  Speaker 1: you working on? Our show? Was you're working on? And
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  Speaker 1: I was working on every I was doing all the
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  Speaker 1: flagship shows. I did every, I mean video soul. I
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  Speaker 1: was doing Caribbean rhythms with Rachel. I was doing Donnie Simpson,
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Carter, Rachel, I was doing Angela Stribling. I was
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  Speaker 1: doing every all the news shows. I was doing all
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  Speaker 1: the flagship shows there. And I literally got there um
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  Speaker 1: through the recommendation of Kenya Moore because she was doing
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  Speaker 1: hosting a show at that time and wasn't pleased with
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  Speaker 1: whoever was doing her makeup and they asked she They
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  Speaker 1: asked her, but what can make you happy? She said, um,
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  Speaker 1: another makeup arts. They said, well, who do you know someone?
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  Speaker 1: She said, well, you got the best here in the
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  Speaker 1: city because of course I lived in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, they brought me in. I did her show,
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  Speaker 1: the makeup artis that was there. Literally went on vacation
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  Speaker 1: from there. They asked me what I stayed on and
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  Speaker 1: do the makeup for all those shows that were there
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  Speaker 1: on the on the network, and I said yes from
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  Speaker 1: bad They asked me if I could stay on, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so it just you know, um, And that was right
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  Speaker 1: off the skirts of working for Dudley Cosmetology is in
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  Speaker 1: charge of putting together all their beauty books for almost
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  Speaker 1: five years. Um. And then you know it was I
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  Speaker 1: was traveling back and forth going to from DC to
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina every week. Um. And after you know, building
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  Speaker 1: up there, you know, the building their makeup line and
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  Speaker 1: and helping with all the beauty books and everything, they
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  Speaker 1: decided that they, you know, it was time for me
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  Speaker 1: to like to let me go. And one thing I
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  Speaker 1: know for sure is that whenever God feels that you
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  Speaker 1: you've got into a place where you start to be stagnant,
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  Speaker 1: it's time to move on. You may be scared to
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  Speaker 1: do it, so he always has a way of helping
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  Speaker 1: you to get to that next level and forcing you out. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what got me being home in d C,
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  Speaker 1: which got me to being a BT. And then once
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  Speaker 1: BT decided to leave d C and go to New York,
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  Speaker 1: I had the option of want of going to New
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  Speaker 1: you moving to New York and reapplying for my position there,
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  Speaker 1: but I love New York for visiting. I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: person that really likes New York. For New York is
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  Speaker 1: a different beach. It's it's a beast. It's a beast.
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  Speaker 1: And I was comfortable here in my home here. And
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  Speaker 1: because by that time I had such a big name
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  Speaker 1: people that wanted my services, they flew me wherever they
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  Speaker 1: needed me to go. So I decided to step out
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  Speaker 1: on faith. I decided to At that time, I decided
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  Speaker 1: to have my guessip by passed serge because I literally
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  Speaker 1: was known as the big guy in the makeup room
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  Speaker 1: that could be faced. That's what was my title, that
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  Speaker 1: you know, that big guy in the big makeup room
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  Speaker 1: that could be faced, the setting that last booth in
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  Speaker 1: the back. And at that time I got up to
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  Speaker 1: at my heaviest way five and eighty pounds. But it
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  Speaker 1: was when I left bt is decided to step out
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  Speaker 1: on faith. I said, I can't hide in the makeup
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  Speaker 1: room anymore. I've got to do something to further my
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  Speaker 1: career and helped my career and pivot me to being
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  Speaker 1: more visible. And so I had my gas your bypassed
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  Speaker 1: and from that, my I mean from that, I lost
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  Speaker 1: three hundred pounds and I literally my confidence level really
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  Speaker 1: blew up, and I started being more um, started being
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  Speaker 1: more visible, taking by what I did on the road
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  Speaker 1: and doing makeup seminars and doing you know, so um,
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  Speaker 1: everything I've done for my career to help myself has
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  Speaker 1: been something to build me and take me to the
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  Speaker 1: next level. Now let's talk about that. So you are
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  Speaker 1: a motivational story. You know, Like, there's a couple of
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  Speaker 1: things I want to pull back on. When you said
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  Speaker 1: you went out on faith, okay, you went out on
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  Speaker 1: your resume okay, And you you really did have a plan,
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  Speaker 1: because like you said, you decided to lose weight. That
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  Speaker 1: was a plan. You have an incredible resume, that was
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  Speaker 1: a plan. The faith part was just the inspiration part
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  Speaker 1: of it. And I always tell people when they're doing business,
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  Speaker 1: keep your faith, have your business plan, have your resume updated,
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  Speaker 1: have you buy your accurate then you go out there
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  Speaker 1: and then you can go out on faith. Too many
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  Speaker 1: people use put too much pressure and too much responsibility
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  Speaker 1: on the word faith. And when I hear come out
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  Speaker 1: of your mouth and I'm hearing your story and your journey,
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  Speaker 1: hard work, consistency, reputation. The thing about I love about
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  Speaker 1: your story so far is that you were honest with yourself.
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  Speaker 1: You were honest about your physical being because once you
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  Speaker 1: lost that weight or that weight was taken off of you,
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  Speaker 1: then you physically you could do more, You could walk more.
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  Speaker 1: You was not as fatigued. You weren't leaning on, leaning
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  Speaker 1: on the chair, leaning on the car, all the things. Right,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, um even met by the law my
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  Speaker 1: biggest way because well, I decided to have to guess
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  Speaker 1: you got past but I didn't. I don't People say
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  Speaker 1: I was easy, but it was not the easy way
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  Speaker 1: because I took I did everything. I tried so many
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  Speaker 1: different diet plans to get to every one. I would
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  Speaker 1: lose the weight, and I would once I got off
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  Speaker 1: that plan, I gain, I lose again, I lose a game.
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  Speaker 1: And what happened was I was pushing myself. I would literally,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I would laugh outwardly, but inwardly I was
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  Speaker 1: very very unhappy. And um, if it wasn't for the
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  Speaker 1: fact that I had such a good heart and was
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  Speaker 1: so damn good at what I did, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I would have gotten as far because I didn't find
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  Speaker 1: out until I lost the weight that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the celebrities that I worked for, you, Linda Adams cclan
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  Speaker 1: and Shaka Khan, Um Seante Moore, Um, and the list
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  Speaker 1: goes on and on and on and on. They would
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  Speaker 1: always recommend me, Shaka Khan, you know, they would always
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  Speaker 1: recommend me. Two different producers and you know, to to
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  Speaker 1: and directors that they wanted to make up done by me,
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  Speaker 1: magazine editors and a lot of them I found out
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  Speaker 1: at you know, later on down the line, UM said
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  Speaker 1: that if it wasn't for your artists pushing for you,
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  Speaker 1: we would not use you because we were worried that
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  Speaker 1: you would not be able to you have a heart
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  Speaker 1: attack on set about having a paper to seats on
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  Speaker 1: the plane, things like that, and but it was but
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  Speaker 1: it was up to me. It had to be up
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  Speaker 1: to me to decide enough is enough. And I got
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  Speaker 1: tired of walking through the airports and have it to
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  Speaker 1: stop in order to um get halfway down, get them,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get to my gate. So Um it was
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was my my strong determination and my
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  Speaker 1: faith that you know pushed me towards doing this. And
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  Speaker 1: then also the fact that I have a lot you
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  Speaker 1: know that I have I still have to do on
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  Speaker 1: this earth, and I needed to further my life in
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: order to tell that story and to help other people
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  Speaker 1: because I'm I know, I'm here you know for a purpose,
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  Speaker 1: and my purpose is um for love and to help.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a good motivator, I'm a good connector. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what a lot of people say and my story. It's
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  Speaker 1: a first of all, you're a good looking guy, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and you have a style about you. Okay. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you're like a flawless skin. See a lot of things.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I would tell you. So you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you go in the kitchen and the guy said you
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  Speaker 1: are a great share for the kitchen dirty okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: how good to the kitchen, I'm not gonna use him
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna trust this food. So from for
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  Speaker 1: for what I'm seeing here, your appresentations outstanding, Okay, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciated. I understand what I'm saying. So I have
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  Speaker 1: to be a a I have to be a example
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  Speaker 1: of what I'm saying. I can't talk about beautiful skin
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  Speaker 1: taking care of yourself. If not, I'm not an example
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  Speaker 1: of what I'm talking about. I take very I yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do take very could care of my skin. Um
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  Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, I've been doing since COVID
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  Speaker 1: took over took place. I literally have been doing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Zoom meetings, um um U tutorials. I've been
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  Speaker 1: doing a lot of just talking with people trying to
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  Speaker 1: get them to understand and that this, you know, this
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  Speaker 1: setback doesn't mean it's you know, it's all over it.
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  Speaker 1: This is just just a tompy to reflect and pivot
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  Speaker 1: and figure out what it is deep down and you
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  Speaker 1: really wanted to do and sit back, think, um pray,
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  Speaker 1: get quiet, listen to the voice of God, and then
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  Speaker 1: figure out what it is that you really had, these
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  Speaker 1: these desires that you want to do and and act
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  Speaker 1: upon them, which is what I did because my life,
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  Speaker 1: to me, as I tell people, this is the longest
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  Speaker 1: I've ever been at home in my entire life. My
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  Speaker 1: life for thirty years has always been on the road
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  Speaker 1: in other country somewhere around the world, traveling with um
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  Speaker 1: an artist, and to be home from March ten um
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  Speaker 1: from March timp to now has been. It's been. It
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  Speaker 1: has been difficult. But what I did was I decided
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  Speaker 1: it's really time to now all these beauty lines, all
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  Speaker 1: these um in care lines, all these things that I
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  Speaker 1: had this this axis, this desire to do that I
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  Speaker 1: had out fifteen years ago that I didn't have the
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  Speaker 1: time to do because my schedule was so vigorous. Bring
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  Speaker 1: them back up. But instead of doing it, UM bring
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  Speaker 1: out an entire line introduced him one at a time
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  Speaker 1: because um with now with social media, you can really
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  Speaker 1: get out there and showcase yourself and it's not as
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  Speaker 1: difficult because I was having to go on the road
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  Speaker 1: and carry products from convention hall to convention hall and
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  Speaker 1: all those fees flying in my staff, pain, details, air,
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  Speaker 1: fear and everything, and by the time you sell your product,
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  Speaker 1: you can only really breaking or you know, the profits
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: don't have value to it. Now, let's talk about that
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  Speaker 1: because we brought you on the should to talk about
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  Speaker 1: something that's an Oprah Worferens favorite things for the holiday gift.
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  Speaker 1: That's a derrickvilege perfecting your presence with just the pr
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  Speaker 1: P collection that if you're looking at the video that
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  Speaker 1: he has some boxes behind these beautiful our last one
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  Speaker 1: of the more loring things I find all the eyes
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  Speaker 1: of a woman. You know, if you just blocked out
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  Speaker 1: the entire fairhead they body and just show that their
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  Speaker 1: eyes that eyes tell an amazing story. So for you,
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  Speaker 1: for you to come up with with this this plan
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  Speaker 1: of action, talk about how it came about. Of course
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  Speaker 1: you see it when you're doing makeup. You you're the
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: closest the person will get without kissing and I having
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: a romantic relationship. It's a makeup artist, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: because they get that close on you. And so they
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: get that closer, so you get to see the everything
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  Speaker 1: on a person's face. Why it works, why I don't work.
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  Speaker 1: So talk to us about putting this whole thing together
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  Speaker 1: one and then we're gonna talk about when you got
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  Speaker 1: the call that you was in the opera box. Well,
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: like I said, um doing covid um. I had to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what I was going to do um. And
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  Speaker 1: it was at when when people started talking about I've
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  Speaker 1: been on different every every Instagram you could think of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, talking to you, actually interviewing a lot of
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  Speaker 1: celebrities that I literally have been doing makeup for us.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't interview Darlene Well, we won't go into the names.
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  Speaker 1: It was a lot. And so I say, why people,
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  Speaker 1: I'm reading these comments because what I do is in
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: order for me to keep focused. I don't look at
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  Speaker 1: the comments, because so I will literally take my glasses
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  Speaker 1: off so I don't read anything people saying. And they said,
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  Speaker 1: there are you reading the comments? I said, no, I
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: can't see them. They said, well, Derek, everyone's talking about
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: your skin and how beautiful your skin is and how
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: pretty you look on on the thing. What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: So I told them, you know, different things I was
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: doing is so they said, well, I've run out of
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: stuff here, and you know, I've run out of my
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: products and I can't get to the store. So then
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: I was telling people how to shop their pantries and
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: how they can use all kinds of ingredients. They headed
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: home to create masks and moisturizers, and they went from
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: there to or Home of God. Whatever it is that
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: you're going to sell, you know will buy because we
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: obviously see that, you know, you have beautiful skins. So
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: whoever you self as far as skin, will buy it.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: And so I decided I would come out with something
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: for skin. But then, because we're forced to have to
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: wear masks, I see, my campaign was how do you
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: make an impression? Yes, of course you want to take
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: care of your skin. That's first and foremost, because you're
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: at home. You want to you know, you you're you're
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: You're in situations like now it's getting cold, so it's
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: getting drier, so you want to keep your skin mortualized.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: But how are you having to wear make an impression
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: when you're having to wear a mask? How do you
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: make an impression when you're having to do these zoom meetings.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: You have to do all these interviews and you're now
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: holding board meetings on on the computer. Through your eyes.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: Your eyes tell a story. So I said, well, the
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: first thing I would do is I would come out
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: with a collection of lashes um and it was. It
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: was a long process because first of all, having to
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: get them in, having to look at them, having to
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: figure out because it wasn't just a thing of just
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: picking some lashes. I thought, really hard, all this is
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: happening during co right, all this has happened during COVID.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: All this happened during COVID. It literally happened doing COVID.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: And this started happening in May. I started back and
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: May working on it and getting all the product in
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: to look at. And then I had to keep in
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: mind I wanted this to be universal, so I wanted
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: to think about all the ethnicities that I wanted to reach,
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: So I had to think about and look at different
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: ways that women's eyelashes grow according to their ethnicity. Um.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: And so then I chose and then I wanted them.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: You know a lot of lashes, UH have hair on
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: one band. But what I wanted was I wanted them
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: to be more three D and four D, five D
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: and two D dimensional so because so that they would
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: look just like they were literally coming out of someone's eyes,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: which meant that it was a thicker band, which was
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: which was a cotton band. And I wanted them to
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: last because I don't want someone to spend their money
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: on a product that will not last. So once that
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: was done, then they think of naming the product. Once
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: I named everything, um um, I bought a you know
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: safely for an other makeup artists that I'm I'm very
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: familiar with that names in the industry. And I chose
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: my twenty five that I wanted, and but I and
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: I broke. I started two hundred, broke it down to fifty.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: I chose my twenty five and I had each one
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: of them choose their favorites and looked on the back
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: to see which ones they had chosen, and it was
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: if it was the one I chose. And basically all
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: of them picked just about the exact same ones that
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: I chose, and the ones that I had question about
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: that I really wanted, but I was if I could
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: add more to the collection. Um. And then they chose
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: told me why they liked them, and then why I
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: liked it. Then when I talked with my manager, he said, okay,
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: let's add another three piers. So the collection was twenty
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: eight payer um. And then I also did I did
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: not forget the generations. I would um the baby baby
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: boomers all the way to generation ze, those big long
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: last that you see a lot of the young girls
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: wearing that are and some of the um, some of
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: those women that like a little boldness and as well,
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: long long so and I wondered that you wanted the
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: culpers behind that. NAWG, I was going, what is less
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: coming from? So that's awesome, that's awesome. Yeah, So I saw,
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: I went, I had three you know, I saw. Then
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: I broken into categories, the the shiros, which are the long,
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: luxurious ones, the lush, and the predaporte. And then once
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: I did that, I sent them to Oprah, and what
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: I did was to make it easier. I chose six
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: pair out of the bunch, three per day, three for evening,
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: told her to pick her favorite, you know, out of
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: the three per day. Out of the three to take
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: it from day to evening, pick your pick one from
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: each category, and she did. Once she did, I had
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: my team to work on a beautifu a kid. When
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: choosing on when I was thinking about what I wanted
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: kids to look like, I wanted to be something pretty elegant,
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: luxurious because that's the image that I UM portrayed. So
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: once they came back with it um and I wanted
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: to also make it easy, so that's where the adhesive
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: came in. That's where the applicator came in. And then
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: after I did that, I said the kid to Old
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: Magazine for consideration for favorite things. And the next thing
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: I know is I mean, it was a couple of
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: weeks later I heard back from them and they said,
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: You've been chosen his favorite things. And of course I
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: had my little minor breakdown because it was this was
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: a long process to get to this point because this
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: was all being done during COVID. Even my photo shoot
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: the girl that I that's the brand for the high lashes.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: She literally was seven months pregnant. Her fiance was the
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: photographer who was a big, big time photographer, and I've
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: used her previe on another campaign and I loved her
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: look so much and she was so beautiful. I wanted
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: to use her again. Little did I know that her
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: fiance was a big time photographer and during COVID, you know,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: she like said she was pregnant, and when we shot
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: the campaign back in July, she was seven months pregnant then.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: And then I couldn't It was also a good time
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: when you really couldn't travel anywhere. So what I had
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: to do was literally, um, figure out what how is
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: am I gonna be able to do make up? What
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: I did was I shot here at my home using
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: my god daughter as a model for just to show
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: you up close with the what the last year would
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: look like. But I needed to get that my girl,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: you know, my model shot in l A because that's
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: where the polo she was taking out taking place. Literally,
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: my beauty god daughter that took one of my classes
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: that I used for a lot of events. Um in
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: l A or wherever she is, she just happened to
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: be in l A during that time because she was
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: the going there for a movie and just when she
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: got being a ride, the movie get shut down because
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: of COVID, but she was still. I reached out to
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: her and said, Brianna, can you please do this shoot?
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: She went and got tested. Um, the photographer and his
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: fiancee got tested. She did the shoot and of course
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that he likes to do.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: I'm when I get on sets to do a photo shoot,
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: I am very anal, I'm very demanding because it's a
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: it has to be, it has to I did yes,
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: and so Um I literally was on zoom calls trying
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: to tell okay, I want you to do this. You
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: know now, I want the eyebrow to look a bit
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: like this, and okay, if I was you know, I
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: said I had to step back and said, you know,
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: with there need to trust her. She's she's she's taking
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: some classes from you, and also she is a very
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: good makeup artist on her own right, by her own right.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: So let me go on and trust her that she's
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: going to give me the Derek, which is the company,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: the draft signature, and from there trusted and then with
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: my behind the scenes person with with Brian, which was
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: Ken Brihanna which was the makeup artist, Shelby who was
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: a model, and her fiance Brandon. I got some wonderful,
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: wonderful country. Yeah. You trust with people, you trust with
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: people you know, trust people are It was definitely a
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: trust back because I want those people that likes to
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: do things myself. That's true, that's true. But you can
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: accomplish it, but you can't. You can't. You can't build
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: an empire for trust. Absolutely absolutely, And that's why I
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: love about your story is that and that's why I
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: allowed you to tell it. Because as you started telling
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: your story, more and more people start coming into your conversation.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: I started with this idea and may then all of
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: a sudden that you were going through people getting on
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: the phone, collaborating other but depending on people trusting. And
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: when you start trusting people, then they brought on other
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: people of higher quality that you didn't know. You know,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: you didn't sit and so that your story is very
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: motivational to me, and that's why I wanted to bring
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: in the fight. The fact you have talent and you're
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: so casual, you said, I said, Oprah. Some of the
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: eyelashes so she can pick out. He said that, so casual,
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: you know, because your career, because you are talented, dude,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: you have the right to be. You have the right
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: to talk the way you talk. You have the right
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: to be as casual the way because guess what I'm
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: not in You're not at all of your success it's
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: tied to hard work. You have these relationships. I know
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: she one of my best friends. Okay, your Landa, you
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  Speaker 1: Um your host, Sean McDonald, they're coming, really just stopped.
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  Speaker 1: Now when you when you when what has been the
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: reaction when you get part of the holiday gift collection?
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: Or will you just the first of all you bowled over?
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  Speaker 1: But being able to launch your brand that we talk
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  Speaker 1: to us about that? Well, Um, the good thing about
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: all of this is that I've been hearing people there.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: If we've been you've been in the background for so long.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: You always you you always have been so humble about
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: making sure that whoever you work with always you make
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: sure they're in the in the forefront. You always. I mean,
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: for instance, I'll use this as an example. I walked
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: with with a celebrity I can't go into name, but
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: I'll be out of celebrity. And then another celebrity came ups.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you know who this is talking to?
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: The celebrity den has done this and he's not list
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: and he's not list and this, and so I'm standing
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: like about three or four feet behind it. I'm going
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: like that because the whole and then once and they
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: once they saw me do that, then they shut up.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: So I went to them later I said, you know what,
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: I whenever I'm with a celebrity, they're the one that
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: need They all the star. It's not me. It's always them.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: It's all about them. Now when i'm you know, when
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: I go to an event and it's all up and
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: I'm by myself or it's all about me, But I
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: always make sure that whoever I'm with, whatever celebrity i'm with,
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: and even it doesn't even have to be a celebrity,
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: it's whoever i'm working with that that's at that time.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: It could be a bride, it could be a model,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: it can be anybody day of The focus is not me.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: So everyone kept saying, Derek, you have been in the
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: background for so long, pushing so many other people. Let
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: us get behind you and push you because it's time you.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: You've been doing this for a long time. Like I said,
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: it's been thirty years I've been doing makeup. Thank God,
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: I've taken good care of myself that I don't look
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: like I've been doing makeup for thirty years looking fantastic.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: My friend appreciate that. Yeah, this year I turned fifty nine. Fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Help I gotta get personal. We gonna wrap up this car,
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  Speaker 1: but I need a little help on my face. OK,
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  Speaker 1: no problem, no problems. Yeah, because I'm struggling with the
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  Speaker 1: bags under my eyes today. Okay, Well, we were working
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  Speaker 1: on something like that that I'm working on. I'm testing it,
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: and i'm testing it. So if that that's one of
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: the things I get from a lot of people, that
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: and and something and whatever. The sermons I used on
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: my face, which I came out fifteen years ago, I'm
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: coming out with that as well. But when did that
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: coming out? When did that coming out? Coming out? The
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: bags on the eyes? When at that coming out? When
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 1: you're talking about stuff like that, you have to do
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: tests because you don't want to put out something that
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: you get people saying that you messed up their skin
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: or you know. So when you're doing stuff like that,
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: you have to get all kinds of tests done, and
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: you gotta make sure that you have doctors that actually
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: and you know. So I don't want to rush that,
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: but I've been working on that. I was working on
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: that before COVID because that was because I get that
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: problem with a lot of clients I work with. So
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: I've been working on something like like that up for
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: a while. But before that comes out, I'm gonna come
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: up with the skin oil because this serum that I've
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: been using, like I said, I came up with it
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: fifteen years ago and I've been been using it continuously
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: since then. So I've been you know, that's why my
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: skin radiates the way it does because of that. But
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: right now we're pushing lashes. We're pushing your presidents lashes
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: right now, and we want to literally And not only that,
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: but the other pair of the collection is also available
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: on the website Perfecting Your Presence. So besides signating, besides
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: the kit we have here, UM, I also have the
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: other pair in the collection of our Lives liner. It
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: isn't well, no, it's not in my scare. It's um
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: it's just the lashes and adhesive and the applicator. Okay, excuse.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: But also because what I was getting was request from
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: women to know, Okay, if I'm gonna get them, how
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: do I apply them? So I actually did a step
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: by step tutorial on the website as well demonstrating how
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: easy it is to apply the lashes. And I'll be
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: getting a lot of calls from a lot of women
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: tell me that they actually were putting the lashes on
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 1: the found that they were doing it wrong. And also
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: the fact that they um learned a lot from the tutorial.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: So that's good. I mean, last night um Ll Bryant
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: was was showcasing how she was wearing the lashes while
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: she was doing her uh Housewives of Potomac thing last night,
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: you know, her thing with that. So a lot of
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: the celebrities are now reaching out and and helping with
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: pushing me. And then I got women that are getting
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: the kids and and also the lashes from the collection
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: and actually doing tutorials or or tagging themselves in the
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: lashes and sending them to me. And so what I'm
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: doing is on the website and on the Instagram site
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: Perfecting your Presence, I'm showcasing these women because p y
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: P Perfecting Your pre is a community. It was an
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: actual platform that took on the road and coach women
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: on how to uplift their their with the way they look.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: With helping with their hair, there will be their clothes,
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  Speaker 1: on the show. Thank you so much for having me here.
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  Speaker 1: And you don't understand how how happy I was here
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