Latest / The Ben Ferguson Podcast / SCOTUS Delivers Major Blow to Trump’s Immigration Agenda but BIG Win for Women's Sports
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- 0:00Speaker 1: The United States Supreme Court has issued one of the
- 0:03Speaker 1: most consequential immigration rulings in decades, bringing an end to
- 0:09Speaker 1: a legal battle over President Donald Trump's effort, which so
- 0:12Speaker 1: many supported, to end automatic birthright citizenship for certain children
- 0:17Speaker 1: that are born in the United States of America. And
- 0:20Speaker 1: if you're logical, you understand why the President was trying
- 0:22Speaker 1: to do this. Clearly, it was being abused on a
- 0:26Speaker 1: level that honestly none of us, I think can truly understand.
- 0:30Speaker 2: Now.
- 0:30Speaker 1: To understand why this case mattered so much, you got
- 0:33Speaker 1: to go back to what President Trump's very first day
- 0:37Speaker 1: in office was actually all about. That is when President
- 0:41Speaker 1: Trump signed an executive order and it declared that children
- 0:44Speaker 1: born in the United States of America will no longer
- 0:47Speaker 1: automatically receive US citizenship if their parents were in the
- 0:52Speaker 1: country illegally or were only here temporarily, such as on
- 0:56Speaker 1: a student, work or tourist visa. The administration argued that
- 1:01Speaker 1: the Constitution had been interpreted incorrectly for more than a century.
- 1:07Speaker 1: The Trump administration's legal argument centered on just a few
- 1:10Speaker 1: words in the Fourteenth Amendment, subject to the jurisdiction of
- 1:14Speaker 1: the United States. The administration argued before the Supreme Court
- 1:18Speaker 1: that those words mean more than simply being born on
- 1:21Speaker 1: American soil. And what Trump's position was is that if look,
- 1:26Speaker 1: if someone's parents are not permanently and fully subject to
- 1:29Speaker 1: US political jurisdiction because they are here unlawfully or only temporarily,
- 1:35Speaker 1: then their children should not be automatically American citizens if
- 1:40Speaker 1: they're born here now. Administration lawyers also argue that the
- 1:44Speaker 1: landmark nineteen eighty nine Supreme Court decision in the United
- 1:48Speaker 1: States versus Longkim arc had been interpreted too broadly for generations.
- 1:54Speaker 1: They maintained that the Constitution never intended birthright citizenship to
- 2:00Speaker 1: apply to everyone born in America, regardless of their parents'
- 2:04Speaker 1: legal status.
- 2:05Speaker 2: Now, the left and of.
- 2:07Speaker 1: Course others that disagree with the president, challenged the executive
- 2:11Speaker 1: order within days. Lawsuits were filed across the country by
- 2:16Speaker 1: multiple states immigrant advocacy organizations and families who argue that
- 2:20Speaker 1: President Trump's order well directly violated. They said, the plain
- 2:24Speaker 1: language of the Fourteenth Amendment, and over one hundred and
- 2:27Speaker 1: twenty five years a Supreme Court president jumped to action,
- 2:31Speaker 1: and then you had several federal district judge that bocked
- 2:34Speaker 1: the executive order before it can even take a fact. Now, look,
- 2:37Speaker 1: the President wanted this fight. Let's be clear. I'm sure
- 2:40Speaker 1: he was told by lawyers that this was an uphill battle.
- 2:43Speaker 1: But they wanted this to be a real discussion, and
- 2:45Speaker 1: they wanted the American people to have a grand debate
- 2:48Speaker 1: over this loophole where countless people come into America knowing
- 2:52Speaker 1: that they're just going to have a child here so
- 2:54Speaker 1: they can become an American citizen. And that's why the
- 2:58Speaker 1: President took action on day one. This was a fight
- 3:02Speaker 1: he was looking for. Now, these nationwide injunctions became an
- 3:05Speaker 1: important part of the.
- 3:06Speaker 2: Legal fight as well.
- 3:08Speaker 1: As these several federal judges jumped in instantly, and initially,
- 3:12Speaker 1: the Trump administration wasn't simply asking the Supreme Court to
- 3:16Speaker 1: decide whether birthright citizenship itself was constitutional. It also argued
- 3:22Speaker 1: that individual federal district judges should not have the power
- 3:26Speaker 1: to stop presidential policies nationwide with a single injunction. So
- 3:31Speaker 1: there were multiple fights happening here. Now, that procedural issue
- 3:35Speaker 1: reached the Supreme Court first and then generated a ton
- 3:39Speaker 1: of debate over the power of the federal court system. Eventually,
- 3:43Speaker 1: the Court agreed to hear the constitutional question directly, and
- 3:47Speaker 1: that was a simple question. Can a president, by executive
- 3:51Speaker 1: order limit birthright citizenship? Well, fast forward to the oral arguments.
- 3:58Speaker 1: So the Sir General defended thestration's position, arguing that the
- 4:03Speaker 1: citizenship clause has been misunderstood for generations and that the
- 4:07Speaker 1: Constitution should be interpreted according to its original meaning. Now,
- 4:12Speaker 1: several justices questioned both sides extensively, including conservative members of
- 4:17Speaker 1: the Court who pressed the Trump administration about how it's
- 4:21Speaker 1: interpretation fit with more than a century a precedent that
- 4:26Speaker 1: was established by the longkim Art decision. Well, now we
- 4:30Speaker 1: know what the Supreme Court has decided to do. In
- 4:34Speaker 1: a six to three ruling, the Court rejected and this
- 4:38Speaker 1: was not surprising President Trump's executive order. And how that
- 4:42Speaker 1: the Fourteenth Amendment continues to guarantee birthright citizenship to virtually
- 4:47Speaker 1: everyone born on American soil, regardless of their parents' immigration status. Now,
- 4:54Speaker 1: Chief Justice John Roberts actually wrote for the majority and
- 4:57Speaker 1: wrote that opinion.
- 4:59Speaker 2: Now, the Court concluded that that long standing.
- 5:01Speaker 1: Precedent, especially the eighteen ninety eight Long kim Arc decision,
- 5:07Speaker 1: controls the issue, and that the constitution citizenship cause cannot
- 5:12Speaker 1: be narrowed through executive action from the president. Now, the
- 5:16Speaker 1: majority held that if birthright citizenship is ever going to
- 5:20Speaker 1: be changed, and it can be changed, I want to
- 5:22Speaker 1: make that very clear, it would require either a constitutional
- 5:27Speaker 1: amendment or some other lawful constitutional mechanism, not a presidential
- 5:33Speaker 1: executive order.
- 5:35Speaker 2: Now.
- 5:35Speaker 1: The dissent came from Justice Clarence Thomas, Samuel Leito, and
- 5:39Speaker 1: Neil Gorshich. They argue that the Court should have interpreted
- 5:44Speaker 1: quote subject to the jurisdiction more narrowly in question whether
- 5:48Speaker 1: long standing president had correctly analyzed that constitutional phrase. The
- 5:54Speaker 1: practical effort of today's ruling is straightforward. Now the executive
- 5:58Speaker 1: order cannot be enforced. That means children born in the
- 6:02Speaker 1: United States of America will continue to receive citizenship under
- 6:06Speaker 1: the same rules, and that those rules that have existed
- 6:09Speaker 1: for generations will not change. Now, for President Trump, this
- 6:14Speaker 1: represents one of the biggest judicial defeats of his second term,
- 6:18Speaker 1: especially on the immigration agenda. But to be clear, this
- 6:21Speaker 1: is not surprising at all. Those in the White House
- 6:24Speaker 1: were expecting more than likely that he was going to lose,
- 6:28Speaker 1: and they knew that from day one. So why have
- 6:31Speaker 1: the fight because this is an issue worth fighting over,
- 6:35Speaker 1: and it's an issue worth talking about. It's an issue
- 6:37Speaker 1: worth even saying, do we need to make a big change?
- 6:40Speaker 2: And how do you get that?
- 6:41Speaker 1: Debate started by doing exactly what the Trump administration did.
- 6:46Speaker 1: It highlights this important constitutional reality. Now, the Supreme Court
- 6:51Speaker 1: did not simply decide whether it agreed with President Trump's
- 6:53Speaker 1: immigration policy. Instead, the majority concluded that the Constitution self
- 7:00Speaker 1: events a president from making this change through executive authority alone.
- 7:04Speaker 2: They didn't say it can't happen.
- 7:06Speaker 1: President Trump responded by calling now on Congress, which was
- 7:10Speaker 1: all part of the plan to pursue legislative solutions on immigration,
- 7:15Speaker 1: while continuing to argue that the current interpretation of birthright
- 7:20Speaker 1: citizenship actually encourages, significantly encourages illegal immigrants to jump in
- 7:27Speaker 1: on birth tourism.
- 7:29Speaker 2: Now, birth tourism is simple.
- 7:30Speaker 1: You want to have a child in America, so their
- 7:32Speaker 1: American citizen, and then they become an anchor and then bam,
- 7:35Speaker 1: you and your family have access to the United States
- 7:37Speaker 1: of America. In fact, they actually sell birther tourism around
- 7:41Speaker 1: the world. That's how popular it is. Now under this
- 7:45Speaker 1: new decision, Congress itself would also face constitutional limits if
- 7:50Speaker 1: it attempted to contradict the Court's interpretation of the Fourteenth
- 7:55Speaker 1: Amendment as well. Now the case will almost certainly become
- 7:58Speaker 1: one of the defining constitutional decisions of the past decade.
- 8:03Speaker 1: Supporters of the ruling reaffirms a constitutional guarantee that existed
- 8:08Speaker 1: since the Fourteenth Amendment and preserves more than a century
- 8:11Speaker 1: of Supreme Court president But if you're Donald Trump, you're
- 8:15Speaker 1: arguing the Court missed an opportunity to revisit the meaning
- 8:19Speaker 1: of the citizenship cause in the light of modern immigration
- 8:23Speaker 1: law and policy.
- 8:24Speaker 2: And let's be clear, it's a lot easier.
- 8:26Speaker 1: To travel the United States of America now than it
- 8:28Speaker 1: was when the founding fathers are writing the Constitution now.
- 8:32Speaker 1: Either way, the legal question has now been answered.
- 8:36Speaker 2: For now.
- 8:37Speaker 1: The Supreme Court has ruled that birthright citizenship remains protected
- 8:41Speaker 1: under the Fourteenth Amendment, and President Trump's executive order attempting
- 8:45Speaker 1: to restrict it cannot take effect. But this may be
- 8:48Speaker 1: a long term gain for the President and conservatives, because
- 8:52Speaker 1: now we're having a national conversation about an extremely important issue.
- 8:59Speaker 1: The Supreme Court ruled that states can finally ban transgendered
- 9:03Speaker 1: athletes from women's in girls' sports, and this is the
- 9:06Speaker 1: moment when feminists should be celebrating. So why are they not,
- 9:11Speaker 1: Because it was conservatives and Presidentald Trump that actually pushed
- 9:15Speaker 1: the issue. After years of lawsuits, years of political battles,
- 9:20Speaker 1: emotional testimony from female athletes, and then a national debate
- 9:25Speaker 1: that dominated the headlines, the United States Supreme Court ruled
- 9:29Speaker 1: that states can in fact protect girls and women's sports
- 9:34Speaker 1: by limiting female athlete competitions to biological females, and it
- 9:40Speaker 1: was a six' to three. Decision the court upheld the
- 9:44Speaker 1: laws From idaho And West, virginia concluding they do not
- 9:49Speaker 1: violate Either title nine or The. Constitution, now for millions Of,
- 9:53Speaker 1: americans this isn't simply about.
- 9:56Speaker 2: Politics this is about.
- 9:58Speaker 1: Fairness it's about preserve the very reason women's sports exist
- 10:02Speaker 1: in the first. Place and For President Donald, trump this
- 10:05Speaker 1: represents one of the defining victories of his second. Term
- 10:09Speaker 1: female athletes coming, out one of, them who played volleyball
- 10:14Speaker 1: At San Jose, state saying this On Fox News channel
- 10:17Speaker 1: about the.
- 10:18Speaker 2: RULING i just had to practice with.
- 10:21Speaker 3: HIM i wasn't even playing against him in a real,
- 10:23Speaker 3: game so at the bare, minimum at LEAST i got
- 10:26Speaker 3: to know his tendencies SO i could keep myself a
- 10:29Speaker 3: little bit. Safer but even, then it's Like i'm still
- 10:32Speaker 3: getting slammed in at my. BODY i bruises on my
- 10:35Speaker 3: legs from getting hit with a. Ball like these other
- 10:37Speaker 3: teams don't know what they're walking. Into and that's even
- 10:41Speaker 3: worse than WHAT i had to go through going into
- 10:44Speaker 3: practice every single day trying to keep myself. Safe but
- 10:47Speaker 3: these other student athletes at other institutions going into it
- 10:50Speaker 3: not even knowing what they're walking.
- 10:52Speaker 1: Into and you listen to, that and that is exactly
- 10:55Speaker 1: why the president wanted to move forward and act. Now
- 10:58Speaker 1: as a quick, reminder twenty nine states restrict trans athletes
- 11:03Speaker 1: in girls', sports and of course every radical extreme LOW
- 11:07Speaker 1: lgbtq plus.
- 11:09Speaker 2: Organization immediately jumped into.
- 11:11Speaker 1: Sue there was a study also that came out that
- 11:13Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty two thousand trans high school athletes
- 11:17Speaker 1: is the total they claim in THE. US a study
- 11:20Speaker 1: also found that one percent of high school athletes are quote,
- 11:23Speaker 1: trans and THE, ncaa After President Donald trump got into, office.
- 11:28Speaker 2: Banned trans athletes in girls'.
- 11:31Speaker 1: Sports you can see exactly why this decision was such
- 11:34Speaker 1: a big. Deal Now President, trump he, said this represents
- 11:38Speaker 1: one of the defining victories of his second. Term and
- 11:42Speaker 1: you may ask, yourself how do we even get. Here,
- 11:45Speaker 1: well to understand why today was such a major, moment
- 11:48Speaker 1: you literally have to go back fifty years back in
- 11:51Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, Two congress Passed title, nine and the goal
- 11:56Speaker 1: was really, straightforward women and girls deserve equal opportunities in,
- 12:00Speaker 1: education including. Athletics, again it was actually about education, first
- 12:06Speaker 1: not just. Athletics and Before title, nine many schools barely
- 12:10Speaker 1: funded girls. Sports scholarships didn't, exist facilities were often, inferior
- 12:16Speaker 1: they were a joke if they even had them at,
- 12:17Speaker 1: all and many girls simply didn't have the chance to.
- 12:21Speaker 1: Compete title nine changed all of, that and over the
- 12:24Speaker 1: next fifty, years participation girls and women's athletics. Exploded you
- 12:30Speaker 1: have millions of young women that earned scholarships giving them
- 12:34Speaker 1: a chance to go to. College women's college sports then
- 12:37Speaker 1: flourished professional leagues and, expanded and then The olympic opportunities multiplied.
- 12:43Speaker 1: Exponentially you literally had an entire generation of female athletes
- 12:48Speaker 1: that benefited from protections designed specifically for, Them, yes for,
- 12:52Speaker 1: women not for. Men, now in recent, years you saw
- 12:56Speaker 1: the change happen before your very. Eyes in the early twenty,
- 13:00Speaker 1: twenties you had this massive mandate that you must allow
- 13:04Speaker 1: any man who claims their women to be able to
- 13:07Speaker 1: compete with women and use their locker rooms and their.
- 13:09Speaker 2: Facilities that is.
- 13:10Speaker 1: Insane you then witnessed people that had done their entire
- 13:15Speaker 1: life focusing on a, sport not when or the records
- 13:18Speaker 1: that were beaten by men claiming they were. Women, now
- 13:22Speaker 1: the simple question, was, look should biological males who identify
- 13:26Speaker 1: as female be allowed to compete in women's. Sports this
- 13:29Speaker 1: is when you would think the feminist would stand up
- 13:31Speaker 1: and said protect women's, Sports but the liberals didn't do.
- 13:34Speaker 1: It in, fact they advocated for, this and then that
- 13:38Speaker 1: question has now moved to the entire. Country some female
- 13:42Speaker 1: athletes said they were losing, championships and the data backed it.
- 13:46Speaker 1: Up then you had the scholarship opportunities that were. Disappearing
- 13:49Speaker 1: that was another. Problem then you had podium finishes where
- 13:53Speaker 1: men were standing at the top during women's, sports and
- 13:56Speaker 1: then the roster spots that were being filled by men
- 13:59Speaker 1: instead of women in women's. Sports, now there were many
- 14:02Speaker 1: others that raised concerns about. Safety you heard one of
- 14:05Speaker 1: them just a moment. Ago they said the contact, sports
- 14:08Speaker 1: it was, insane and then integrity of sex separated. Competition,
- 14:13Speaker 1: supporters of, course on the radical left of transgendered, inclusion
- 14:17Speaker 1: argued that transgendered athletes deserved equal opportunities to participate and
- 14:22Speaker 1: that blanket bans discriminate on the basis of gender. Identity the, country,
- 14:28Speaker 1: well it was. Divided if you're, conservative you probably were
- 14:31Speaker 1: on the side of, sanity and if you were a radical,
- 14:34Speaker 1: liberal you were probably on the side of. Insanity and
- 14:37Speaker 1: that is Where Donald trump came. In throughout his presidential,
- 14:41Speaker 1: CAMPAIGNS i said that as a plural word, Campaigns Donald
- 14:45Speaker 1: trump repeatedly promised that if he was, elected he would
- 14:49Speaker 1: protect women's sports at all. Costs, now many political observers
- 14:53Speaker 1: initially dismissed the issue as nothing but, symbolic but after
- 14:57Speaker 1: returning to, office the president showed he was joking and
- 15:01Speaker 1: he made it one of his very first. Priorities In
- 15:04Speaker 1: february of twenty twenty, Five trump signed the executive order
- 15:08Speaker 1: Titled Keeping Men out Of Women's. Sports you can't be
- 15:11Speaker 1: any clearer than, That and the order was very, clear
- 15:15Speaker 1: directing federal agencies to Interpret title nine protections based on biological,
- 15:20Speaker 1: sex and then warned that schools receiving federal funding could
- 15:25Speaker 1: face consequences if they allowed biological males to compete in
- 15:29Speaker 1: girls and women's. Sports that executive order immediately became a
- 15:33Speaker 1: major political. Fight supporters called it common, sense the left
- 15:38Speaker 1: and the media called it. Discriminatory and this again was
- 15:41Speaker 1: another example of The president, SAYING i am willing to
- 15:44Speaker 1: have this, fight and let's go to The Supreme. Court,
- 15:47Speaker 1: now more than half of the states had already enacted
- 15:50Speaker 1: laws in this country addressing transgender participation school, athletics and
- 15:55Speaker 1: that's at the stage for the major constitutional. Showdown, eventually
- 15:59Speaker 1: there were two k that reached The Supreme. Court one Involved,
- 16:03Speaker 1: idaho the other Involved West. VIRGINIA i was actually in
- 16:07Speaker 1: the oral arguments at The Supreme court for these. Cases,
- 16:11Speaker 1: now both states argued they had a legitimate interest in
- 16:14Speaker 1: preserving fairness and safety in girls athletics by limiting female
- 16:19Speaker 1: sports to biological. Males the challengers argued that these laws
- 16:23Speaker 1: Violated title nine and The Equal Protection. Clause, now during
- 16:27Speaker 1: those oral, arguments several conservative justices questioned house schools could
- 16:32Speaker 1: preserve sex based athletics if biological sex could not be
- 16:37Speaker 1: used as an eligibility. Standard, well today The court answered that.
- 16:43Speaker 1: Question The Supreme court ruled that states may maintain those
- 16:47Speaker 1: protections for girls and women's. Sports Justice Brett kavanaugh wrote
- 16:51Speaker 1: for the, majority concluding that states may base eligibility for
- 16:56Speaker 1: women's school sports on biological, sex and that doing so
- 17:01Speaker 1: is consistent With title nine and The constitution as.
- 17:05Speaker 2: Well, now this.
- 17:06Speaker 1: Is a historic. Moment the ruling, says this decision preserves
- 17:10Speaker 1: the original purpose Of title, nine and if you're a,
- 17:13Speaker 1: woman you should be. Thrilled they argue women's sports were
- 17:17Speaker 1: created because of biological. Differences, yes there are real differences
- 17:21Speaker 1: between men and, women and that maintaining the separate female
- 17:25Speaker 1: competitions actually protects competitive fairness as well as athletic opportunities
- 17:31Speaker 1: through scholarships and countless other. Things they also argue the
- 17:36Speaker 1: ruling provides legal clarity now for the states and schools
- 17:40Speaker 1: and coaches and athletic organizations after years of uncertainty and.
- 17:44Speaker 1: Lawsuits the decision is also likely to influence ongoing litigation
- 17:49Speaker 1: other states with similar. Laws and, again this is nothing
- 17:54Speaker 1: but a Leadership trump. Victory even though these cases involve state.
- 17:59Speaker 1: Laws President trump made the issue a central part of its,
- 18:02Speaker 1: platform he campaigned on, it he signed an executive order on,
- 18:07Speaker 1: it and his administration supported The states defending these laws
- 18:11Speaker 1: before The Supreme. Court, now after the, Ruling President trump
- 18:15Speaker 1: celebrated the, decision calling it a big. Win supporters say
- 18:19Speaker 1: today's outcome reflex years a political effort to reshape How
- 18:23Speaker 1: total nine is interpreted and also. Enforced, now it's important
- 18:27Speaker 1: also to understand that Many americans are going to fight
- 18:31Speaker 1: back on. This opponents are going to argue transiender students
- 18:34Speaker 1: should have the opportunity to participate in sports consistent with
- 18:38Speaker 1: their gender, identity and you can bet they're going to
- 18:42Speaker 1: try any way they can to force men on women in.
- 18:46Speaker 1: Sports all, RIGHT i want to take a. MOMENT i
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- 21:50Speaker 1: carolina A mexican national convictive sexually assaulting a child In,
- 21:55Speaker 1: colorado A guatemalan national convicted of felony assault In, virginia
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- 24:00Speaker 2: Trump that's not.
- 24:01Speaker 1: All they've also called for the assassination of The Israeli
- 24:04Speaker 1: Prime Minister benjamin net And. Yahoo now the statements have
- 24:08Speaker 1: intensified the already soaring tensions in The Middle east and
- 24:13Speaker 1: has raised fresh concerns among intelligence and counter terrorism officials
- 24:18Speaker 1: about the potential for politically or religiously motivated. Violence, now
- 24:23Speaker 1: this is also a perfect example of why it has
- 24:25Speaker 1: been so hard to get a deal done because while
- 24:28Speaker 1: you're negotiating with one part Of iran's, leadership all of
- 24:33Speaker 1: a sudden you find out that the other side inside
- 24:35Speaker 1: the country is literally trying to undo it in real.
- 24:38Speaker 1: Time it's the reason why you see some people that
- 24:41Speaker 1: are trying to actually attack and others are trying to
- 24:44Speaker 1: actually get a deal, done and then you really don't
- 24:47Speaker 1: even know half the time who the other side really
- 24:50Speaker 1: is if you're on the outside looking. In the religious
- 24:54Speaker 1: clerics have made it known they're angry and they don't
- 24:58Speaker 1: like any deal being done now right. Now according to multiple,
- 25:02Speaker 1: reports members Of iran's cleric establishment actually issued a declaration
- 25:08Speaker 1: describing the killing Of trump and Net nyahoo as a
- 25:13Speaker 1: religious duty for anyone capable of carrying it. Out the
- 25:18Speaker 1: declaration reportedly Characterizes trump as the quote Criminal american president
- 25:23Speaker 1: and Net yahoo as the wicked Prime minister quote. Unquote
- 25:27Speaker 1: now this is language that has drawn widespread international, condination
- 25:31Speaker 1: but that doesn't really hold any weight In iran among the,
- 25:35Speaker 1: religious well radical. Clerics, now these statements are significant because
- 25:40Speaker 1: they come from figures with actually considerable religious influence Inside
- 25:44Speaker 1: iran's political. System, well not every speaks for The iranian,
- 25:49Speaker 1: government the country's religious leadership and political.
- 25:52Speaker 2: Leadership while they are, deeply, deeply deeply.
- 25:55Speaker 1: Intertwined, analysts a rhetoric from senior clerics can carry sancial
- 26:00Speaker 1: weight among hardline, supporters even if it does not constitute
- 26:05Speaker 1: an official military. Order sometimes the clerics can be even
- 26:09Speaker 1: more powerful than a military order based on. History, now
- 26:14Speaker 1: the calls reportedly come amid intensified internal, fighting a civil
- 26:18Speaker 1: war divisions inside Of iran following the doubt of the
- 26:22Speaker 1: Former Supreme Leader, kolamani and ongoing negotiations between The iranian
- 26:27Speaker 1: officials who are being undermined by the clerics and The
- 26:31Speaker 1: United states Of. America, now some factions Within iran they
- 26:35Speaker 1: claim they favored diplomacy in hopes of easing the economic.
- 26:39Speaker 1: Pressure others this would be the clerics, included argue that
- 26:43Speaker 1: compromise represents weakness and instead they're demanding retaliation against perceived
- 26:49Speaker 1: enemies and even.
- 26:50Speaker 2: War now the.
- 26:52Speaker 1: Latest statements also revive memories of one of the most
- 26:55Speaker 1: infamous religious decrees in modern, history the nineteen eighty ninetwah
- 27:00Speaker 1: issued against an Author Solman rusty after publication of The Satanic. Versus,
- 27:07Speaker 1: now the decree remained influential for decades and was followed
- 27:11Speaker 1: by multiple violent, attacks including the twenty twenty two stabbing
- 27:15Speaker 1: that Left rusty severely. Injured because of that, history security
- 27:20Speaker 1: experts generally take modern assassination fatwah, seriously even if they're
- 27:25Speaker 1: not formal government quote unquote. Policy. Now counter terrorism analysts
- 27:30Speaker 1: have also warned that the greatest concern is often not
- 27:33Speaker 1: a direct operation ordered by the reigning, government but the
- 27:37Speaker 1: possibility that an individual or a sympathizer or an extremists
- 27:41Speaker 1: actually interprets this rhetoric as encouragement to act. Independently throughout,
- 27:47Speaker 1: history inflammatory calls from influential ideological and religious leaders have
- 27:51Speaker 1: inspired so called loan actors or lone wolves without even
- 27:55Speaker 1: direct operational, control to be inspired because of The, internet
- 28:00Speaker 1: something they, read or something they see ON. Tv The
- 28:03Speaker 1: United states has long maintained heightened security Around President trump
- 28:07Speaker 1: because of the previous threats attribute To iranian linked. Actors
- 28:11Speaker 1: yes they tried to kill the. President federal authorities have
- 28:14Speaker 1: repeatedly stated over the past several years that they continue
- 28:17Speaker 1: to monitor these threats associated With, iran following earlier regional
- 28:22Speaker 1: conflicts and the death of Senior ranian, leaders and these
- 28:25Speaker 1: new declarations are even more likely to receive intense scrutiny
- 28:30Speaker 1: From american intelligence agencies and The department Of Homeland. Security,
- 28:35Speaker 1: now For, israel the rhetorica's equally significant and concerning The Prime.
- 28:40Speaker 1: Minister Net yahoo has been at the center Of israel's
- 28:43Speaker 1: military campaign Against iran's nuclear military, infrastructure and that's made
- 28:48Speaker 1: him one Of tehran's primary. Targets calls for his assassination
- 28:52Speaker 1: fit into a broader pattern of escalating hostility between the
- 28:56Speaker 1: two countries as, well and, diplomatically timing is especially. Delicate
- 29:02Speaker 1: The american, envoys, well they're reportedly continuing the negotiations aimed
- 29:07Speaker 1: at reducing the tensions and advancing agreements Over RAN's nuclear,
- 29:11Speaker 1: program and that's where the hardline voices Inside iran appear
- 29:15Speaker 1: to be pushing in the opposite. Direction they're demanding confrontation
- 29:20Speaker 1: rather than. Compromise that split illustrates the complete power center
- 29:26Speaker 1: Within iran and the challenge negotiators face when trying to
- 29:30Speaker 1: reach the latest and lasting. Agreements, now whether these declarations
- 29:35Speaker 1: ultimately translate into any operational threat remains. Unknown public calls
- 29:40Speaker 1: for violence do not necessarily mean an attack will occur
- 29:43Speaker 1: or instantly or in the. Future but security professionals treat
- 29:47Speaker 1: this type of rhetoric with seriousness because history has shown
- 29:52Speaker 1: that the incidence like this and when influential figures while
- 29:56Speaker 1: they say that it's time to, attack it has a
- 29:58Speaker 1: massive increase of the risk of violence by radical supporters
- 30:02Speaker 1: and lone wolves.
- 30:03Speaker 2: Who are following their.
- 30:04Speaker 1: Initiative, now for, now intelligence, agencies law enforcement and diplomatic,
- 30:09Speaker 1: officials well they're certainly going to have to monitor the situation.
- 30:13Speaker 1: Closely but it also underscores how volatile the relationship remains
- 30:18Speaker 1: literally Within iran between the clerics and THE irgc and
- 30:22Speaker 1: anyone else claiming to run the. Country one thing is for,
- 30:25Speaker 1: sure The United states And, israel well they're having to
- 30:29Speaker 1: stand side by side right now like never, before because
- 30:32Speaker 1: this is what they're up against in The Middle. East
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