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- BBR Show Pre-Launch Convo: Theresa Cantley === Theresa Cantley: [00:00:00] As painful as it is, as frustrating as it is this, like you're on the right path. You're on the right path and you need to just keep going. Matt Stone: Yeah, Welcome to the Building Business Relationship Show. I'm Matt Stone, and before we officially launch, we're exploring what matters most when it comes to relationships in business. These early episodes are about testing ideas, learning from guests, and hearing what you think belongs in the conversation. Matt Stone: So please. Do listen in, share your thoughts and help shape what this show becomes. And joining me today is the amazing, the wonderful, the brilliant Theresa Cantley. Theresa's an amazing entrepreneur and CEO whisperer. Uh, I, you're gonna correct me if I get any of this wrong, but you've been a business owner a long time. Matt Stone: You had a re you left corporate, opened this incredible retail business with a friend of yours had that for years. you progressed into being a growth architect for CEOs and founders, especially. You help people with their growth. Um, both the [00:01:00] business growth and the personal growth that you need to get the business growth. Matt Stone: How's that? Theresa Cantley: Yes. That's perfect. That's perfect. I love it. Thank you. Matt Stone: And, and even more than that, 'cause that's all great and impressive as a human being you're just a, an amazing human being and, um. So when we met at that retreat, it was like, okay, clearly we need to do some more talking. So here we are. Theresa Cantley: Yes, we're fast friends. Matt Stone: What did I, what did I leave out? Theresa Cantley: Uh, I'm a third degree black belt. Uh, let's see what else? I can't cook worth anything. Um, Matt Stone: Uber Eats. Theresa Cantley: I don't even know how to use Uber Eats. I don't think I've ever used it in my life. Matt Stone: If you can't cook and you can't order delivery, what do you do? You, you've got a Matt Stone: partner who does? Theresa Cantley: That's why I have a husband. Matt Stone: Okay, got it. Great. Yeah. Matt Stone: Yes. Matt Stone: Yes. Yeah, No, Matt Stone: I hear it. I mean, I love to cook and, uh, I would say, yeah Matt Stone: that's why I, [00:02:00] maybe that's why my wife married me, but she, she actually, she can cook a few things, and she does, she's gotten really better at different things over the years. Matt Stone: It's pretty, I've like, Ooh, look at this. Look at what she's, she's like spreading her wings and trying different recipes and it's cool. Theresa Cantley: No, my husband cooks. I, I'm not the greatest cook at all, and, but since he is so good, I'm like, I'm not even going to even try because I got him. Matt Stone: It sounds like He loves it is, is my guess. He loves it. Okay. And what's, what's his signature dish? Theresa Cantley: Mm. Oh my God, there's so many. Um, believe it or not, he, like my husband is not Korean, but my husband makes the most amazing Bulgogi, like, but he's my husband's Irish. Matt Stone: He's the Irish. Matt Stone: kind of Korean. Yes, Irish Korean. Theresa Cantley: He is. Matt Stone: I love it. Theresa Cantley: He makes this amazing. I mean, he can just like get a recipe and like, and just cook it and it's [00:03:00] the most amazing thing ever. But outside of, um, outside of that, um, one of the things that he makes that it's so simple, but he makes the most amazing cheeseburgers. Like I love a really good cheeseburger, and he had gotten this recipe out of a Bobby Flay cookbook years ago and perfected it. Theresa Cantley: And I mean, it's amazing. Matt Stone: Wow. Okay. I'm looking forward to trying this, uh, at some point. Yes. Matt Stone: All right. Theresa Cantley: And he looks like Santa Claus, by the way. Theresa Cantley: I don't know if I told you that. Yeah. Matt Stone: Yeah. Theresa Cantley: My husband literally grows his hair out during Christmas, um, so that he has longer hair and a longer beard. He's been silver white like ever since I've known him, which is 27 years, you know? So he like, yeah, he looks like Santa. Matt Stone: I love it. And He brings the gifts, he brings the culinary gifts. I mean, that is the truly the gift that ke cooking. The thing I love about cooking is we all have to eat, and most people enjoy eating. Not [00:04:00] everybody, but most people do. And I always found it to be such a love language for me that if I Matt Stone: cook for you. Matt Stone: I mean, I think my, one of the earlier dates I had with my wife, I made her, um, mango. It had a mango salsa, but it was fish tacos. We were in Hawaii. Theresa Cantley: Yum. Matt Stone: And I remember the look on her face when she ate these tacos and there was this mango salsa on top and it had these, this fresh mahi mahi. And it's that look that you wanna see in anybody. Matt Stone: I mean, even just a friend, right? Um. When you cook, it's just, it's totally a love language. Yeah, It's, it's, it's, mm. Theresa Cantley: No, definitely. And it's funny because I work with a lot of restaurants and, when I work with the restaurant and I not only work with the restaurant owner, I work with the leaders in the business, particularly chefs. And I've had conversations with chefs where the reason why they do what they do is because they want to make people happy and they want to connect with people. Theresa Cantley: They're [00:05:00] introverts, just naturally just don't like, feel socially awkward, but they love to cook and that's their way that they connect to people. So you're right, it is a love language, like across the board. It is a way to connect with people. It's a way to have a conversation. Theresa Cantley: It's a way to express yourself. Like all of the above. Amazing. Matt Stone: Okay. I am not surprised that we're already sidetracked because you and I can talk just ad nauseum about anything. No, it's not your fault. It's mine. I'm, I'm like, I I'm pulling all these threads, but we gotta get to the format of this show 'cause we are specific about, you know. Matt Stone: we're gonna pivot from those relationships now to Matt Stone: the question I'm asking everybody in these, in this style of pre-launch content, which is tell us about a relationship that had a huge impact on your life, what you would consider a business relationship that had a huge, and by the way, it's a very liberal definition, uh, as I've told people. Matt Stone: 'cause it could be a relationship that impacted your business greatly. It doesn't have to come from business. Um, but, [00:06:00] uh, what's a relationship that comes to mind that that's been really, you know, high impact or transformational for you? Theresa Cantley: Well. It's funny because originally I had like three people listed and I was telling my husband about this, and he goes, I said, so who do you think was the most impactful in my business? And he, looked at me and he gave me the name. The name was Rich. We'll just say that. So Rich was actually my old boss where I used to work, and he made me absolutely miserable. Theresa Cantley: He was impactful. Like I absolutely cannot stand Jelly Donuts anymore because of something he, he used to say that compliments were like jelly donuts. Um, if you eat, if you eat a lot of them, you'll get sick of them. So he never used to like, I mean, he was so hard on me. I cannot stand spiral bound notebooks anymore because he used to make me do marketing projects and he would like 50 [00:07:00] revisions and he would give me the revisions on pieces of paper torn out from a spiral bound. Theresa Cantley: So then you had the fringes hanging off. So. He made an impact on me because he showed me what it was to, to not be like that in leadership. And he also, like, just the way that he was, he kind of gave me the launch that said, you know what, this is not how I wanna live. This is not, this is, I don't agree with this stuff. Theresa Cantley: I wanna get outta here. And that was what ended up launching me into, um. him and his and all of his craziness launched me into becoming an entrepreneur in 2008. So that was one impact. But on the flip side of it, um, I talk about my business partner all the time, Vanessa, um, and Vanessa was a huge impact in my life. Theresa Cantley: I met her because I worked for her husband. I was freshly divorced, 23 years old. And, um, moved away, moved down to the city and started working for her husband and I ended up meeting her [00:08:00] and we became friends. She was my first leader, the first leader that I really ever met and kind of had exposure to besides her husband. Theresa Cantley: And, um, you know, really, um, she was a mentor for me. Just taught me like how to be strong, how to be, um, like really be convicted. But the person, like, and I talk about Vanessa a lot, but when I originally looked at your question, the person that came to mind was actually her husband. And her husband. Um, his name is Michael, and, I worked for Michael. Theresa Cantley: I was his assistant, and again, freshly divorced. Coming into the insurance industry. And if you know anything about the insurance industry, very highly male dominated, very archaic, has a lot, I mean. It's, it's a very different, in my opinion, it's a very different industry and I worked for Michael and I was faced with a lot of adversity from women who worked at the firm [00:09:00] who were wore suits, Theresa Cantley: very professional. Here I am, this 23-year-old coming in fresh out of fashion school, wearing all kinds of funky clothes. I had these funky nails and they would say, they would say to him, and he was the vice president and they would say, she's never gonna amount to anything. Why do you have her in this role? And he said, because there is something about her that is different and there's something about her that's gonna make a difference in this world. And I believe in her and he taught me everything that I like the beginning of what I learned about business, about leadership, about believing in people, about connection, um, and really like carving your own path and teaching people how to carve their own path. Theresa Cantley: So I think he definitely was the one that made the most impact. And I mean, to this day, um, he's my, he's actually my husband's best friend um. I [00:10:00] mean, to this day, I always joke around. I'm like, Mike, you were the best boss ever. Matt Stone: Did the, did, did that relationship with, did Michael come after Rich? Theresa Cantley: No, Michael came before Matt Stone: Okay. Theresa Cantley: Yeah. And then, um, so I left and actually, um, when I left, 'cause Michael had left the insurance company and then, um, and then I had left right after him, and then went to go work. I actually went to go work for Rich. So Ri No Rich came after. Matt Stone: Okay. So you had already had a taste of what a great, uh, a great supportive boss looked like. Yeah. Theresa Cantley: Absolutely. And when I started working for Rich, um, I started in, in customer service kind of ground level and worked my way up to being a director. I was a director of operations and a director of marketing. And this man was just, he was just so hard on me. The [00:11:00] entire time, it was like nothing I ever experienced in my life. Theresa Cantley: Um, and to this day, I think I have a little bit of PTSD from it, which is why I, you know, I know what bad leadership looks like and that's why I can spot it a mile away. Matt Stone: Yeah. Theresa Cantley: why I teach people how to be really a great leader, especially in today's, in today's world, and really teach them how to connect and make an impact on someone else's life. Matt Stone: Yeah. Theresa Cantley: And it was funny because when I, I worked for Michael and I thought, okay, this is how things are. And then when I started working for Rich and I was like, oh, I'm just expected to be subservient and just do what I am told and not have an opinion. And, um, which is insert Vanessa. 'cause I worked with Vanessa, um, when we, both of us worked for Rich and uh, she was the one that really said Uhuh, no, you need to use your voice. Theresa Cantley: So Matt Stone: Yeah, And then that sprung, that was a springboard for you two to [00:12:00] go out and, Matt Stone: and go off and, and start a business together? Yes, Theresa Cantley: Yes, absolutely. Matt Stone: Yeah. Theresa Cantley: We were burned out walking through, uh, New York City at a, at a gift show for retail stores, and she was like, I can't go back into that office. I cannot do it. And I said, let's open up a store. What the heck? How hard, Matt Stone: how hard could it be? Matt Stone: It's retail. Theresa Cantley: It's retail, how hard could it be? Oh, and by the way, let just add, it's the recession. Ah, nobody's opening up a business in 2008. Nobody wants anything to do with, you know, businesses or real estate or any, no. What the heck, how hard could be. And We did. Matt Stone: And you learned, you learned how hard it. could be, but you actually did. it. And yeah. Matt Stone: Now I want to just say before I get to my next series of questions, Matt Stone: I got to see you do a talk where you talked about your partner. Matt Stone: And some of that experience, um, where can people see you [00:13:00] doing talks? Matt Stone: Where if they are in, if they like you, they're so far, they're like, wow, just Theresa's great. Uh, which by the way, you have good taste. Uh, where will they be able to see more of what you're producing and what the stories you're telling? Theresa Cantley: Sure. Um, I'm on LinkedIn primarily, um, so you can see me. I have a live show there every Thursday. I just give like leadership bites. Um, so definitely on LinkedIn. Um, you can also check me out on theresacantley.com. I have a whole speaker section that shows different types of talks that I've done and, uh, yeah, so you can see some video there. Matt Stone: Cool. Okay. 'cause you've got a lot of great stories and I just, I normally, I would wait till the end to say this, but I wanted to get it in earlier in the video. Um, you know, when you've got more eyeballs on it to say, Hey, go, go check out Theresa. 'cause you do have a lot of great stories. And they're stories that aren't just interesting, but they're, um, useful, they're helpful. Matt Stone: They're, they're not just, they are inspiring, but they're also something that you can use. So, Matt Stone: okay. Theresa Cantley: see them in my future. I [00:14:00] have a book coming out next year, and all of these stories, most of them, well, not all of them, I should. Oh my God. 'cause I have so many, they're gonna be in my book, Matt Stone: Great, Theresa Cantley: Stay tuned for that. Matt Stone: Great there's more to come. Okay. Alright. So just a couple more questions. Uh, 'cause you know, these episodes are pretty short, but I'm wondering, um, those relationships that you were just talking about, where do you see them showing up in your work now when you're working with CEOs? Theresa Cantley: One of my super skills is, is, um, spotting patterns with people. So, um, I am a certified high performance coach. Um, I did actually just get my certification in that, so I'm really good at seeing patterns and I'm really good at seeing when someone's trying to shield themselves and put a wall up and then be something that they're not. Theresa Cantley: So, um, my experiences and the things that I've been through, the, the stories that I talk about, I actually use that in my work when I see the same pattern showing up with a leader that I'm working with. Um, when I'm teaching someone and I'm talking to [00:15:00] them, or I'm coaching, it's not coming from a book that I read. Theresa Cantley: Or something that I learned in a course, it's actually coming from my own experience. Um, so I take those stories and when I see a pattern, I can match a story with the pattern that I'm seeing. Um, or especially like when I'm coaching a leader and they are showing up as being very, um, you know, very loud, very larger than life, and you can completely see right through it, and you can see that's actually preventing them from connecting with the people that Theresa Cantley: they manage. So I use it, I mean, I use it all over the place. I use it to help them to really be, um, an I don't wanna say just be themselves, you know, and really, um, bring out that uniqueness that, is them, instead of trying to shield it with something else, trying to be what they think a leader should be, and actually just be themselves so that they can have a deeper connection with their people. Theresa Cantley: Um, but yeah, I use, I use those stories. [00:16:00] I have so many, I have a story log. Literally, it's a book like this, like this thick, and I have a story and an insight attached to it. And then, okay, what's the pattern that goes with it? And now, I mean, I have 'em memorized, so now I can pull them out pretty fast when I'm talking about something. Theresa Cantley: So you know, again, when you work with me, it is real life experience. There's no fluff, there's no theory. I mean, I've been in the trenches with entrepreneurs, um, you know, working through fires. I have a client that he had a fire in his building, um, had to shut the business down for almost a year, continued to pay his, his employees. Roof blew off. Theresa Cantley: I mean, you name it. And I've helped them to navigate these things. But those are all stories that then like I just kind of put into the mix. Yeah. Matt Stone: So how was your day? Oh, I was just putting out fires today. Oh, really? No, Literally, I was putting out actual fires. Yes. And then the roof blew off. Uh, yeah. No. Theresa Cantley: I'm on the [00:17:00] roof right now. A third story, like I'm on the third story roof. He's like, you're what? Yeah, the roof blew off. I'll be home in about, uh, three hours. Matt Stone: Things are really, we're blowing the prices off, you know, Uh, come on down to Hank's Furniture store. Um, okay, so listen, what are we, what I really, you know, you know, the intention of this, of the show that we're working on, and it's, it's, the intention is to be the most entertaining business show we've ever seen, but actually use the entertainment value to allow us the grace. Matt Stone: To talk about difficult things too. Theresa Cantley: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Matt Stone: it's like a balanced meal, if you will. Right. So, uh, I guess what I want to know from you is what are we not talking about enough or in the right way that we should be and that we should that and, and I'm just Ty in kind of a couple questions to this that we really should, in your opinion, bring into the, onto the table [00:18:00] when we launch the show formally? Theresa Cantley: Yeah. So, I think one thing that we kind of skirt around, especially as it relates to leaders, is just the whole internal piece of leadership. We talk a lot about what it takes externally to lead, but we don't talk about the internal piece of it. You know, as leaders, especially, you know, if you're in a a c-suite role, um, you own a business, we get educated away from ourselves. Theresa Cantley: We get labeled away from ourselves, we get stressed away from ourselves. So what happens is, is we lose ourself. And then we try and be something that we're not. From a young age, we're taught to build from the outside in, not the inside out. So it's, I don't think we talk about that enough because, um, you know, when people come to me, it's always, I need more sales. Theresa Cantley: I need my team's not doing this, or, you know, whatever it is. And everybody wants to skirt [00:19:00] past that whole internal part of leadership. So I think, you know, and this goes along, I mean, I, I work with a lot of chefs, you know, chefs are leaders in restaurants and they have a lot of struggles with, um, mental illness. Theresa Cantley: And I think it's an important conversation and it's coming up, especially with what's going on in the world. Um, you know, what, what restaurants have been through in particular over the past several years. And it's it's an important conversation to have and people have to be willing to, to have it. Theresa Cantley: So I think, um, you know, that's a, that's a big piece is just that, that internal piece of leadership and that loss of connection to self that happens along the way. Um, and then how can we get back to that? Uh, one of the biggest things that I always tell leaders is one of the most important sentences that you can say to somebody is, I see you. Theresa Cantley: Like, I see you. And really be able to hold that space, um, [00:20:00] to listen and to connect and to be willing to help. So I definitely think that's, that's for sure probably something that we need to talk about more is just, um, I call it the connection to self, connection to destiny, because a lot of, a lot of leaders and a lot of business owners end up losing connection to that, to that big dream that they have because of all of the stresses and things that they have to navigate on a daily basis. Theresa Cantley: And I think even CEOs, um, with the amount of layoffs that we see and the rise in AI and trying to, to, um, you know, please shareholders. And again, you lose connection to that destiny. You lose connection to yourself, and you lose connection to the true work that you need to do, which is how can we make that human experience even more important? Theresa Cantley: And I think this is a huge conversation that, again, everybody just sees the vanity metrics, the vanity numbers, you know, growth in revenue, growth in profit, and they really miss [00:21:00] the growth in the people, so. Matt Stone: Thank you. And I'm excited about putting that on the table. I think one of the things is, is that there's a whole lot of people who don't even, they just kind of gloss, you know, glaze over when they hear anything around Matt Stone: EQ or empathy or self-awareness. They just, it's sort of this, uh, okay, the woo woo people over here are doing that, and I got real business to do. And I think we need to get creative with the ways that we are, um, making it very tangible and practical. So coming from the problem, how it's impacting you, and then reverse engineering back to that and go, oh, it's not what I thought it was. Matt Stone: I thought it was just a revenue problem. Well, Theresa Cantley: Well, it's something so simple like people, you know, PE I've had a lot of questions lately, like, Theresa, how am I gonna implement AI? Like, I, we need to implement it in my, in our business, and we don't necessarily know how we're gonna do it. But the thing that they don't realize is you have to first understand why you're implementing it and you know why you're implementing it, but also [00:22:00] you need to understand your people and how it can help them. Theresa Cantley: But you can't understand your people if you don't understand yourself first. Matt Stone: So, Theresa Cantley: yeah, I Matt Stone: Yeah. Theresa Cantley: lot of, it's, it's more practical than people think. I mean, yeah, a lot of people think once you start talking about connection to self, they think woo woo. But really it's a lot more practical than that. Theresa Cantley: It's a way to keep yourself Theresa Cantley: grounded on grounded so that you can really like live the life that you really wanna live. Matt Stone: That's right. Part of what excites me about the show is to bring in a whole bunch of different people, including you, and to collaborate around, okay, how do we present this material, this subject matter in a different way. and where someone who might previously have just thought, oh, okay, that's not for me. But then they, they see it in a new way and and are able to laugh about it. That's really important. That's important to me anyway. Right. Theresa Cantley: Laughing is the best, and believe me, I laugh at myself every day. Matt Stone: Right. Okay. On that note, can I get to the rapid fire questions? Matt Stone: 'cause I love them. Okay.[00:23:00] Theresa Cantley: I have my answers here. Matt Stone: You ready? Okay. Yeah. Matt Stone: See, I, I did, I did give them to you beforehand. I, I gotta figure out whether we give them ahead of time. I think it's, it's good to give 'em ahead of time. Yeah, Matt Stone: Yeah. You think through it. Okay. You ready? Theresa Cantley: ask something that's not here. Okay. Matt Stone: I don't know. I'm a, I'm a wiley coyote. You just never know. Uh, okay. So Theresa, Theresa Cantley: Hmm. Matt Stone: what's your favorite breakfast food? Theresa Cantley: Caprese sandwiches. Matt Stone: Okay. What's your least favorite breakfast, food, Theresa Cantley: Cereal. Matt Stone: Cereal. Matt Stone: Any particular cereal? Theresa Cantley: Uh, any cereal? I Matt Stone: Any cereal. you hate sir? Hot, cold. It doesn't matter. Don't like it? Theresa Cantley: Oh, definitely can't do hot. I can't do the texture. I'm a texture person. Matt Stone: Okay, gotcha. Alright. Um, something that you absolutely must do in your lifetime that you haven't done yet. Theresa Cantley: Yeah. Being on Oprah, Oprah Super soul, Soul Sunday. Theresa Cantley: Um, Theresa Cantley: I don't, I don't even, I guess she still does it, but yeah, Matt Stone: You want to be in that [00:24:00] garden with the, the microphone in the garden, uh, and the, the interview? Yeah. With your book. Oh, yeah. Theresa Cantley: With my book Matt Stone: Oh yeah. Matt Stone: Oh yeah. Theresa Cantley: glowingness. Matt Stone: Oh, I love this. This is great. Can I come and just be your producer, like be your Matt Stone: assistant, you know? Matt Stone: Yeah. so, what's a word in business that you think is overused? Theresa Cantley: Oh, authenticity. I didn't even have to think about that. Matt Stone: Yeah. Theresa Cantley: People talk about authenticity all the time, and there's many, many people who talk about it and you can, it's empty. Matt Stone: Yeah. Matt Stone: that's right. We've got a lot of bastardized words actually that get like the meaning gets drained out of them. Um, yeah. Okay. Let's see. What is a word that you think is underused in business? Theresa Cantley: Presence. Presence for sure. Actually presence and aliveness, I would say. Yeah, for sure. Matt Stone: All right. What's your best [00:25:00] advice for a young entrepreneur experiencing their first real failure? Theresa Cantley: Um, forgive me in advance, young people who are watching this, congratulations, you made it because you're gonna fail many, many more times. And just remember, you just have to look at the lesson. As painful as it is, as frustrating as it is this, like you're on the right path. You're on the right path and you need to just keep going. Matt Stone: Yeah, that's right. And finally, What are you most curious about right now? Theresa Cantley: Human performance, like really bridging, bridging the gap to, um, to improve the human experience that we have, um, that we create really life in general. Um, and how we can tap into like a deeper level of greatness within ourselves. Theresa Cantley: For sure, I've been coaching for many, many [00:26:00] years as I've said. Um, but when I got certified and studying with Brendon Burchard over the years, since 2015, um. I've just gotten so mesmerized. I mean, my sister's a psychologist just mesmerized with human performance, the untapped part of our brain. Theresa Cantley: 'cause we only use like, what, 7% of our brain or something? The untapped portion of it. Like, yeah. Matt Stone: Mm-hmm. You're geeking out on greatness. Theresa Cantley: Sorry, I'm, Matt Stone: Yes, you could call yours. I'm the gr, I'm the greatness geek. Matt Stone: you know? Yeah. I want to, It sounds like you're interested in the science of it and like, you know, not just the heart and science of it is like, like I, I like to call it, Theresa Cantley: is. Yeah. Like, and it's really like bridging, bridging, like the woo woo with the Matt Stone: yeah. Theresa Cantley: those two things together because I've seen like miraculous things happen that there was no explainable reason how or why it did. Matt Stone: Yep. Theresa Cantley: Um, so yeah, definitely like that human performance, that human, [00:27:00] human connection and Matt Stone: Mm-hmm. Theresa Cantley: like how can we make it even, even better? Matt Stone: There you go. Alright. Now we asked you earlier, or I asked you earlier, uh, where to find your stories. So I guess if someone wants to connect with you, Matt Stone: what should they do first? And we'll put all this in the show notes. Of course. Theresa Cantley: For sure. So you can find me on, like I said on LinkedIn. Um, just send me a DM, um, just, I'm Theresa Cantley on LinkedIn. Or if you really have a question and you wanna ask me a question, I'm always open to answer. Um, you can just send an email to theresa@theresacantley.com. Matt Stone: Perfect. All right. Theresa Cantley: single one of them. Matt Stone: Absolutely. Okay, so we'll put that in the show notes, so if people wanna follow up directly, they can do that. Theresa, Thank you so much for sharing with us today. Theresa Cantley: Thank you. Thank you so much for having me on. This was fun. Nobody ever asked me what my favorite breakfast food was. Matt Stone: Yeah, well, I don't know, there's something about breakfast that's just like right, and it's [00:28:00] polarizing. Breakfast is polarizing, so it's perfect question. Matt Stone: Yeah, Theresa Cantley: cookies and orange juice, that's polarizing. Matt Stone: Yeah. Yeah. Alright. I want to thank all of our listeners and viewers for listening and watching this pre-launch phase of the Building Business Relationship Show, and because it's pre-launch, it is, as I said, all about discovery. Matt Stone: So we really do want to know how you're experiencing this in terms of the topics. This isn't the exact format of the show that it will be. We are exploring what topics. So if something intrigued you, sparked interest, sparked your curiosity, and you're like, i Matt Stone: know what you should talk about. We wanna hear it from you. Matt Stone: And make sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel, you'll know when the show officially launches. Thanks again for listening to watching, and we'll see you on the next one.