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Tank Davis vs Lamont Roach shock and draw · Boxing B-Sides

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Rumble in the jungle. Boxing. B -sides. Oh, we're
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After last night, fantastic. Yeah. This is going
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right. Let's start with our recaps. There's a
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little bit to get through before we get to the
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big one. This one actually, though, to me, is
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kind of important. In the Ariake Arena in Tokyo,
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Seiya Tsutsumi, a .k .a. Punchburger, has a draw
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with Daigo Higa? Draw, question mark? On the
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pick sheet, on the pick league, I was rooting
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for Daigo Higa. No illusions about it. I talked
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about it with Shinada. You can check out the
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side piece episode. He also told me that too,
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I think. Yeah, Tsutsumi won that fight. There's
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no question in my mind. Had a similar situation
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previously with Carlos Adamas. He won that fight.
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Yeah, it's just a rough go. Yeah. I hate when
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that happens, man. It's just a rough go. Like,
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there's so many reasons it could happen. But,
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like... I guess the bright side, the glass half
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full view of it here is that the next fight should
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be better. You see the guys improve. Unless they've
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hit a wall, they improve. One problem with Tsutsumi
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is he cuts easily. This is not the first time.
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And Daigo Higo is eating with his head a lot,
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so he was fighting pretty gross. It's just...
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Yeah. like they'll both they'll be used to each
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other but unless the first fight was like stinky
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stinky like similar uh rock 'em sock 'em robots
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yeah it'll go good it'll go good it's always
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fun yeah who needs brain cells anyway and last
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one junto nakatani quick stoppage over uh david
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WBC bantamweight title. Tsutsumi retains his
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WBA bantamweight title. I expect this is like
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you guys are going to be fighting each other
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eventually. Nakatani, I don't see him having
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competition until either Bam or Inoue. He's so
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fucking good. He defies Japanese style of boxing.
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He's just... He's ruthless and he's good. He's
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a really good finisher. He doesn't yeah in Japan
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or with the Japanese coach, so California right
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take a little credit for that when he trains
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with a Mexican coach He trained who did you show
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it again? He's because I know he's California
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Rudy Hernandez, I think Yeah Eddie something
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Hernandez, I don't remember is that his first
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name Because I know he's not with the Diaz brothers.
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He's not. No. He's not with anyone well -known.
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No, but it's like... He's just like, fuck, just
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so solid. Yeah, no notes. This was a number one
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contender for his title, and he sparks him in
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three. Yeah. This shit wasn't even close. I don't
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think Sutsumi is going to give up much of a fight
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either. It has to be Bam or Inoue. It has to
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be an elite opponent. Sutsumi is tailor -made
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for Nakatani. Oh, yeah. Unfortunately, yeah.
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Sad to say, but... I mean, fuck. What was it?
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Two years ago at this point, it looked like he
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killed Andrew Maloney. That fight was... So good.
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That's why when I said I like to clown on Jason
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Maloney, but not Andrew, it's because of that.
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Yeah. I thought Andrew died. It looked like he
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just flatlined. Oh, my God. Monstrous straight
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left. Exhaustion. Perfectly set up. Yeah. It
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landed flush. That was scary. You shot him. Yeah.
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No, Nakatani's so good. it's not even that i
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need to see him with better competition like
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he's fighting the best available other than like
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the legacy defining elite fights his contemporary
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champions uh yoshiki takei has a wbo uh ryosuke
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nishida has ibf and obviously sutsumi wba so
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all the belts are in japan there's I know Nishida.
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He's with a smaller promotional company. He wasn't
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supposed to win when Emmanuel Rodriguez came
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out to fight him. That wasn't supposed to happen,
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but it did. So got to do something with it, buddy.
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Yeah. Cash it in. Well, with Nakatani, he kind
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of has no one until. Yeah, the two options. I
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mentioned tension. I think it's a fight they
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could make. Would it be too early? Probably for
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the next two years, it probably will be. But
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Nakatani will be moved up. I'll say next 304.
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Depends on how Nasukawa progresses. That's true.
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There's a chance he just flourishes in his next
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two fights and we're talking about him as a viable
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opponent for Nakatani next. Nagatani's one of
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those guys I really just can't complain about.
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Fights the best guys available. He's going to
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keep doing that, and the elite fights will come.
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Can't wait for the anyway fight. Yeah. That's
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a Super Bowl. Japanese Super Bowl. Oh, my God.
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That's a real super fight. If they stick that
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on the New Year's card. Oh, I'll be great. We
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got to make the trip. Oh, that would be one worth
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going out there for. I think we're making the
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trip. I'm maxing out a credit card to make the
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trip. That would definitely be worth it. Because
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that's a lifetime type of thing. CIBC, you didn't
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hear that? I'm not maxing out my credit card.
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But I would max out my credit card to go watch
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Inoue Nakatani on New Year's. I think I could
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die happy after that. That would be something
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you'll never see again. Yeah. I'd take the Ollie
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Frazier of the Japanese. Live podcast at the
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hotel afterward. Yeah, those are always fun.
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Actually, they're a lot of fun. Hell yeah. Anything
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more for the Japanese card? Come on, anyway.
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I would like Tim Zhu. Charlo. Where are you?
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All right, let's knock some quick ones out of
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the way here so that we can get to the meat of
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the dish. On Friday, February 28th, Rocky Hernandez
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versus Rene Deyes. Rocky gets a UD, so congrats
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to him. Black Leamy's a good venue. Is it? Like,
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get no? Very nice casinos. Very nice hotel. It's
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a good small venue. Good small hall shows. Cool.
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March 1st. The beginning of the day. No Limit
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in Brisbane. Liam Wilson. You may remember him
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from fighting Oscar Valdez. Topric snubbed me
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on that one. Motherfuckers. Yeah. Yusef Dib.
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They rematched. Liam Wilson gets the UD. Moving
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to match room in Belfast. I'm calling it Ireland.
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It's not Northern Ireland. There's only one Ireland.
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United Kingdom. There we go. We're the wokest
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boxing podcast. The wokest would say there's
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only one Ireland and it's the Republic. Anyway.
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Two fights that I wanted to point out. Craig
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Richards stops Patrick McCrory in eight. It was
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fun scrap. I think they called it a good old
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Irish dust -up, even though I think Craig Richards
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is British. Yeah. Lewis Crocker wins by disqualification
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in the eighth. Patty Donovan. Did you guys watch
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this one? Yeah. That was a... It's unfortunately
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not the worst ref call of the day. No. It was
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not. It was not, but for the context of the fight,
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the DQ was correct, but we should not have gotten
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there to begin with. The two points taken earlier
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was kind of soft. For a headliner. Domestic dust
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-up between two undefeated prospects. That's
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the two points you see in an amateur ring. It's
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not something you see in a pro fight at this
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stage. No, never. The DQ, yeah, I hit him after
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the bell. On top of a lot of other things. Yes.
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But, like, the referee... Is supposed to be aware.
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Of how much time is left in the round. And he
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should be way closer. Especially with how raucous.
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That venue allegedly was. Allegedly. Yeah. Everybody.
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Commentary. We had one guy that was there. And
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he was saying. This place is fucking nuts. Yeah.
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Like, hell, even, like, amateur boxers and, like,
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the referee has to be there. It gets fucking
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loud. And any replay, and he's just sitting so
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far away that there's no way, like, unless he
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can stop time and walk up to the boxers and that
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split second when the bell rings, there's no
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way he's getting in there to prevent that. Makes
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sense. Like, It was just lazy refereeing, and
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I don't think, like, the rematch, like, Patty
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Donovan, uh, Loose Crocker's gonna get his ass
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beat again. He was getting fucking murdered.
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Oh my goodness. That was, that shit was not even
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close. It was, it was so bad. The interview after
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the fight was kind of embarrassing, too. They're
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admitting that their plan was to Homer Simpson
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Patty Donovan. What? They were like, we'll get
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him in the later rounds after we weather the
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storm. And I'm like, unless you are Homer Simpson,
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it's not happening. So for context for everybody,
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throughout the eight rounds, Patty Donovan was
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headbutting. He was throwing elbows. He got two
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points docked in different rounds for headbutts.
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So to get disqualified for a shot, after the
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bell. Here's the problem that I have with the,
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it was loud. It was, it was really rowdy in there.
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So he couldn't hear it is that he throws the
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last punch and it lands. Crocker goes down. Did
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he, maybe he milked that one a little bit. Eh,
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perhaps his eye was in really bad shape and it
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just got tagged again. I don't know. I'm not
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gonna, I can't speak for Crocker and how the
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situation with his eye, but after he threw that
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punch, patty's hands like he started walking
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back to his corner so i don't know i i feel like
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he heard it and he threw it anyway just my my
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sense i wasn't there would have been the how
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they saw it yeah it i i also have the benefit
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of all the camera angles and like sound isolation
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and blah blah blah all the technology and patty's
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just in there throwing punches that's With a
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fuckload of people screaming. Yeah, like we're
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not there. Exactly. We get to watch. I wasn't
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there, so I can't speak. I can only tell you
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what I think happened. And that was just my speculation.
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So we'll leave it at that. Moving down. Queensberry
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this time in Burnmouth. This was in England proper.
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Only two fights I wanted to point out. Carol
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LaTalma. He's related to Moses. So the younger
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brother. The smaller brother, I should say. Gets
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TKO3 over... Shit. Mikhail Ludvichak. I'm getting
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better with these really European names. I'm
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going to be honest with you. This is thanks to
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the MMA show. That's where I... The Dagestani
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names are really... They're clutching up. Yeah.
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They're coming in clutch. Send your kid two,
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three years to Dagestan. Forget. And the main
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event, Ryan Garner, UD over Salvador Jimenez
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for the vacant... What is this? Was that EBU?
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I believe it was. EBU. Yeah. The WBC International
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130. So, congrats to Garner. Does this matter
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in the division? Not really. Not yet. England,
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the UK, and Japan. They have a domestic progression,
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a domestic ladder that does matter. So when you're
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seeing these Euro guys or UK guys get the British
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title, Commonwealth title, then they step up,
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they get the EBU title. or some version of, like,
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the WBC European or whatever, that matters. Yeah.
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Because these guys are climbing the ladder that
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is, that's their system. So you're going to be
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seen. Yeah. Better than the American ladder,
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I'll tell you that. It is. It is a lot better.
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Yeah, I guess as fans get to be more overly critical
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because they get showcased at this stage by major
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promoters because they don't have, like, a pro
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box. Yeah. They haven't got a Pro Box. Matchroom
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Next Gen is getting off the ground, but it's
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not Pro Box. Yeah. And it will never be Pro Box.
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We stand Pro Box in this house. You can only
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emulate greatness. You gotta stay loyal. Exactly.
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Alright, let's move on to last one before the
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big deal. In... Fajardo Puerto Rico. Salida Promotions.
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And there's some other local one. They have a
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funny name. I forgot to take note. Comey. Alfredo
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Santiago versus Javier Fortuna. God damn. There's
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a name I did not want to hear anymore. Just whatever.
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Subreal Matias in the main event. Which one?
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Which one what? Which name did you not want to
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hear? Javier Fortuna. The dude is way, way past
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it. And he's doing these domestic level things.
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So I guess congrats on keeping your career going
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at this point. But he's well past his prime.
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He's at a level. I would call this my unified
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theory of fight sports laundry. so at the tail
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end of your career before you're washed you're
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in the hamper because you're you still have a
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little bit of name value you know so you can
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still do some stuff but you're definitely not
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who you used to be and you're about to get put
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in the wash if you keep going too long and that's
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where fortune is at i think he's been in the
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wash for me yeah he's been there for a bit so
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it's even like then the one where if the the
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other step if you skip You could go from the
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hamper to the wash if you quit on your own. But
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if you don't, you keep going. You become like
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a dirty rag. Yeah, he's a dirty rag. That you
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clean up. You clean up your... Un trapo. You
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clean your shit with. Yes, el trapo. Yeah. That's
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what you become if you don't stop. The trapo
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theory. I love it. Yep. Fight sports laundry.
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Uh, Subaru Matias in the main event, he beats
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the shit out of Gabriel Valenzuela. Um, it was
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eventually stopped. I don't remember what round
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I think is the seventh, sixth or seventh. Good
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for Matias. Yeah. Uh, that was like a final eliminator
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for IBF. So Matias should be getting a shot at
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Hitchens. That's not good for Hitchens. If he
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can do his usual, like, dumpster fire voodoo,
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then it should work. But I really hope he just
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beats the shit out of Hitchens. Why is that?
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Because I don't like the way he fights. I just
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want to see what you would say. I hold the view
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here. A 140 with Matthias in the world title
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mix will always be fun. Oh, hell yeah. He's vulnerable.
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He can totally be outboxed, but fuck, he's dangerous.
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And it's not even like he's dangerous in, like,
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a wilder way where it's a suspense. No, he's
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dangerous. He's got bricks for hands, and he
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can't really apply them, so he will just break
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you. And he's got a kill list already. He does.
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Yeah. People forget we could die in boxing. Sabrina
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Matias has killed a dude in the ring. This shit's
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real. Unless it's Liam Parra, of course. I mean,
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even his second fight with Petros Anyan. Oh,
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I can't pronounce that. With Petros. You got
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it. Anyan. That was a tough watch near the end.
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I was thinking the same thing. I was like, man,
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we don't need to see another Dadashev. Somebody
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needs to step in and stop this. Just beat the
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piss out of him after the third round. Yep. I
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remember that. I was like, it's Zubril Matias.
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Who the fuck is this? Let's check out his catalog.
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Oh, he killed a guy. Oh, yeah. Dada Chef. What
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happened to Dada Chef? Oh, he's dead. Oh. Awkward.
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Yeah, awkward. Holy shit, man. 140 has just this
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bevy of, like, mental patience and, like, vulnerable
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champions at the top, too. So, like, Teofimo
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Lopez comes dialed in? Okay. Like, yeah, he can
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totally beat Matias. He comes in on an off night,
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and Matias... Retires him. Yeah. But these fights,
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they're dramatic, but not because of what might
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happen. They're dramatic because of what does
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happen, and I like that. I like Matias bouncing
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back. He's been having a good bounce back. Give
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him another title shot. Fuck it. Yeah, he's earning
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his way back up. I would want to see him against
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Hitchens, though. I do want to see him. Hitchens,
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it's your time. Yeah. I'm going to give it your
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all. His contemporaries. So he's going up for
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Hitchens at the IBF. Teofimo and Barbosa have
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to rectify their title situation. Alberto Pueyo,
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split decision, question mark. Question mark,
24:50
exclamation point over Sandro Martin. I don't
24:55
think Martin lost that fight. As ugly as everyone
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says his style is, it doesn't fucking matter.
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I don't think he lost. Alex, do you think Poirot
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won it out? No, not at all. I'm just going to
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start with this stat. I already knew PBC was
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going to be on the bullshit this night. As you
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can see in the chat, I call it out each time.
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I call it each and every motherfucking time.
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that they pulled the shit. I knew they were going
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to fucking rob Sandor Martin. I knew it. Man,
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you can't go to bat for Sandor Martin, bro. You
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got to pick your battles. You can't go to bat.
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You can't go to war for Sandor fucking Martin,
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bro. No, no, no, no. Because you know how many
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times Sandor Martin has been robbed? Dude, I
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don't care. Three losses? I don't care, dude.
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I don't care. Sandor Martin deserved to win.
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He deserved a title. Maybe he's not the best
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style to watch, but he definitely didn't lose
25:47
that fight. And honestly, that was a fun fight
25:49
to watch. It was not a bad fight to watch. I
25:51
liked it. And I think Sandor Martin... I think
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Sandor Martin... Yeah, it was for the sickles
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like us. And I think Sandor Martin pulled it
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off pretty easily. And the fact... Yeah, cleanly.
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And the fact that they... My God. It's already
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getting me mad. Because I already had all this
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pent -up aggression for the main. I think...
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But I just remember... Last week, I brought up
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this point. I brought up this point about exclamation
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marks. And, again, we have the benefit of being,
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like, he was robbed because we see the whole
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fight and all the work. But if Sandor Martin,
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like, say what you will about his style, he's,
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like, allergic to putting an exclamation mark
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on a round. He operates with... He has the M
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.O. that he can just steal a round. I figured
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it out. No matter what. When, like, regardless
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of the circumstance. That's his M .O. Because
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Sandor Martin... needs to put an upside down
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exclamation point before he can put an exclamation
26:52
point. But, no, like, he's just, like, so, like,
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if you're a ringside judge where you can only
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see it from one side. One angle. And Foyo Shu
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shines him at the end of a round. Or Martin.
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That only happened in, like, the last five, four
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or five. I know. I was about to say, yeah. I
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know. It's just, like, Sandor Martin doesn't.
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He doesn't. I get. I get it. I get. that Varden
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was hard done, but his style also does himself
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no favors. True. Yeah, that's true. He's risk
27:47
-averse, which is cool. You don't get hit that
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much. You can outbox the other guy. You also
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don't hit the other guy that much. That's true.
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You're right. However... It's controversial,
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but it creates controversial decisions where
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you're just like, yeah, send or beat him, but...
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Like, the juice isn't there. Stan Dore was pretty
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aggressive for his style, of course. He was more
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aggressive. Exactly. He was more aggressive than
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how he's been in his past. I don't even know
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how many fights. This is the most aggressive
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I've seen Stan Dore Martin. You know what I mean?
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Fair. And so, for me to watch that, let me tell
28:31
you this. Actually, I want to become a PBC judge.
28:34
I want to be a judge so I can become fucking
28:37
rich. Because those motherfuckers, I swear to
28:40
God, they want some bullshit. Eight to four for
28:43
Puyo? I like Puyo. Yeah, eight to four for Puyo
28:47
is kind of stinky. That's rough. It's so fucking
28:50
stinky, dude. It hurt me. It hurt me. I'll be
28:54
devil's advocate with a lot of judging stuff
28:56
for these types of fights because it's like you
28:59
see one side of it. So if all the action happens
29:01
on one side of the ring for a round, you're basically
29:04
guessing. With the cameras in front of you and
29:07
bullshit in front of you. That's facts. Judges
29:11
should be in isolation booths in the back. Yeah.
29:15
Especially if you... Let's say you only catch...
29:18
Because you have the camera crew in front of
29:20
you in the whole presentation. Most of the action
29:24
happens on one side of the ring. And then when
29:26
it comes over to your side, you see Pueyo have
29:28
a good moment. That's what sticks in your head.
29:29
And even if you're not thinking it like subconsciously,
29:32
you'll be like, yeah, I think this close round,
29:34
I'll shade it to Pueyo. Because I saw more. Yeah,
29:39
I saw more from Pueyo. And it's subconscious
29:40
because these judges will be like, it's just
29:44
like it's a flaw with boxing. But also some of
29:47
these guys don't do themselves any favors later
29:49
in the fight. It's true. Because it can be, like,
29:54
you'll think Puyo's up six. Or, like, you'll
29:57
think Sandor's up five or six. But, like, it
30:01
can totally be, like, three -two if the rounds
30:03
were remotely close and depending on the angle,
30:07
whatever. No, you're right. I agree with you.
30:12
I'm not saying the decision was right. I'm just
30:15
saying it's not... You can't throw shit at all
30:18
the judges for weird scorecards when, like...
30:21
The sport is just set up against them to actually
30:24
see the fights. But the scorecard, an A4 scorecard,
30:28
though? No, that was bullshit. That's gotta be
30:33
bullshit, dude. That's like the 118 -110 Kellum
30:37
Smith. He won the fight, but come on. They obviously
30:41
had... You know what I mean? Well, it's not...
30:45
The Kellum Smith one, I'll give you the... I'll
30:49
defend that one a little bit just because oh
30:52
like you know you grade it round by round it's
30:55
not so like if you if you if you have a bunch
30:58
of close rounds in a row and it was a close fight
31:00
it was a good fight but you shade them all for
31:02
one person because you think they did slightly
31:04
more it just looks like they won by a country
31:07
mile when it's it's a close fight it's deceptive
31:09
that way kind of thing yeah 118 110 it's still
31:15
wild to me There wasn't 181, was there? I thought
31:20
it was 7584. Oh, Callum Smith. I'm sorry. But
31:25
for that, for Callum Smith, but the Callum Smith
31:27
one, like if he shaded all those rounds by like
31:31
1%, it comes out to that score. The same as if
31:35
he just beat his ass for that many rounds. It's
31:39
just in how the score is scored. Well, like I'm
31:44
just like this is the point of view I have from
31:46
like like I like I hang around ringside and I
31:49
corner bought like amateur events I've fought
31:52
in amateur events. It's just kind of like I Don't
31:56
booze until after I leave the venue. So you just
31:58
kind of watch how everything is. I Totally understand
32:02
this, you know, I think is I totally get what
32:04
you're saying But come on, dude. Come on. Yeah.
32:08
No the perception the optics are horrible. The
32:10
optics are yeah, I understand I agree with that
32:14
point. I have made that point a lot in the past,
32:18
that if it's a super competitive fight, but one
32:22
dude is getting it 51 -49, like I said, just
32:26
by a smidgen every single round, then it's going
32:31
to look like it's bad when it's 118 -110. But
32:34
if you're just looking at the numbers, it does
32:37
not tell you the story of the fight. seeing it
32:42
up close you really have to watch you really
32:44
have to you gotta think about whether like like
32:47
you have to watch the fight and decide whether
32:49
it was close or not because if like if one like
32:52
there's a difference between like a clear cut
32:54
like that guy won robbery and like a close fight
32:58
with a lopsided scorecard because a judge from
33:01
one angle with a ton of moving parts around them
33:04
saw gave a guy 51 49 eight times To cap it off,
33:10
I'm going to say one thing in particular, and
33:12
that's Josh, you had said can't throw shit at
33:16
judges, you know, because they have just a single
33:19
seat and a shitty vantage point. I'm going to
33:22
disagree. I can shit on judges all I want because
33:25
I'm an armchair fucking warrior. True, true.
33:31
See, I decide to shit on fighters because they
33:34
can control it. That's true. We're different
33:38
breeds of... They can text me and I'll tell them
33:42
what the score is. Yeah, they can also score
33:42
it how I want to. Yeah, they can score it how
33:44
I say they should. Everyone would be happy. True,
33:48
true. That's facts. You know what? The fighters
33:51
could just knock each other out. They could be
33:53
better. That's facts. Why leave it to the judges?
33:57
Yeah. The judges are an option. Like, if we're
34:01
going for true armchair analysts, why didn't
34:03
Sandor just knock him out in the first round?
34:05
You know what? That's right. Is he stupid? He
34:09
might be. He should have actually knocked out
34:12
Teofimo. Fuck, he was so open. If Sandor took
34:18
any... If Sandor wasn't, like, was into taking
34:23
risks, he probably could have stopped Teofimo
34:25
just by knocking him down eight times. You get
34:29
ahead of the Devon Hayes treatment. Nobody wants
34:31
to fight anymore. Well... The woke left. It's
34:37
the woke left. We'll get to a guy that... Alright,
34:42
let's move up. I need to cue up a sad song here.
34:47
Ryo Valenzuela loses his title in a one -sided,
34:51
like a 120 -108. The homeboy just got completely
34:55
swept by Antoine Russell. Man, I was hoping Ryo
35:01
would pull it out, but damn, dawg. You can't.
35:07
I'm at a loss for words at the moment. Alex,
35:11
kick us off. What do you got? Honestly, I was
35:15
speechless during the fight. Just because I honestly
35:19
expected Ryo to do so much more. He wasn't active
35:23
at all that fight. I don't know what was up with
35:25
him. It was totally passive. And with Robert
35:29
Garcia as well, what was his corner doing? You
35:33
know? I'm not asking that, like, it's Robert's
35:36
fault. I'm asking, like, legitimately, like,
35:37
I didn't really see a lot of commentary from
35:40
Robert's corner because they didn't really focus
35:42
enough. Because, obviously, they're favoring
35:44
Gary Antoine Russell. You know what I mean? He's
35:47
the house fighter. He's the house fighter. Well,
35:50
they're both house fighters, but the thing is
35:51
that, I mean, they're going to favor Gary Antoine
35:54
Russell. They're both house fighters in that
35:57
they're in the PBC stable, but Antoine Russell
36:01
is the house fighter. Yeah, where they were at.
36:07
Yeah. Honestly, I'm going to be honest, even
36:11
if it went to the decision and Ryle put up a
36:14
good fight, I still think they would have robbed
36:16
him. Not robbed him, but they would have given
36:17
it to Darius Juan Russell. If he did put up a
36:20
good fight, of course. He needed to knock out
36:22
JR to win. Russell's work was obvious. It was
36:28
obvious. It was crisp. It was super clear, even
36:32
to the judges. You could hear that shit on the
36:34
broadcast, too. Those were thudding body shots.
36:39
That's how you know it's a guy who has power.
36:40
Ryo, though, only has himself to blame because
36:44
every counter he threw pretty much hit. Yeah,
36:48
he was very accurate. He was so accurate. If
36:51
he just turned the activity up a smidge or put
36:54
his legs into it a bit more... We'd probably
36:57
get a different result. It makes Russell a very
37:00
entertaining fight with the rest of the division,
37:02
though. Knowing that he's that prone to counters.
37:05
You know how Ryo fought in the 12th? He should
37:08
have fought like that the whole fight. The first
37:10
six rounds, he let off the hook. No, I think
37:14
the first nine rounds. I was going to say six.
37:18
God, that's generous. Okay, now who's the bad
37:22
guy? No, nine is still generous. Nine is still
37:26
very generous. Because you know what? I don't
37:29
even think he had it really in him, that fight.
37:30
I don't know what the hell was up with him. I
37:32
will say, Ryo definitely just thought he could
37:40
one -shot Russell with any of these counters.
37:43
For sure. He fought like he could one -shot Russell.
37:47
And he just didn't. He fought like a certain
37:50
someone on this same card that we'll get to right
37:52
now. But he ain't that type of guy. Let's say...
37:57
Russell fought great, though. Full credit to
38:02
Russell. He looked really good against a really
38:06
good opponent. Can I say something about Russell?
38:10
I'll say this. Russell was... Russell was good,
38:13
no doubt about it. I think that's probably the
38:15
best I've ever seen him. That was a career -defining
38:18
moment. You know what I mean? Especially after
38:22
a loss like that. The thing is with that, with
38:25
the whole situation with that fight, why did
38:28
he get a title shot? Why? He wasn't in the mandatory.
38:34
They just gave it to him. Right? And he took
38:38
it. Wait, can I say something? Wait, wait, wait.
38:41
I don't mean it like that. I'm saying he took
38:45
it, and you could tell, even me, I didn't really
38:50
believe in Gary Antoine Russell, but I'm going
38:55
to use the same exact argument for, again, the
38:56
next fight, but he took the fight, he brought
39:01
it to fucking Ryo, dude. He believed in himself,
39:03
and he, oh my god, it was great. What I'm going
39:08
to say about Russell is that he needs better
39:10
shot placement. Because if he can place those
39:14
shots better, dude, he's going to be a fucking
39:16
killer. In my opinion. I just feel like he can't
39:22
process it. He already has trouble processing
39:24
a fluid defense -offense transition. Yeah. I
39:29
feel like that's just how he's going to be. Fortunately,
39:33
yeah. I fully agree with you. He definitely has
39:37
space to improve, but that's just how he's going
39:40
to be for the rest of his career. I agree, yeah.
39:43
I mean, I got to respect, he kind of just brought
39:47
the fight to Ryo, and that's... Yeah, no, Ryo.
39:53
That was a fun fight, too. It's not like... Russell
40:00
definitely... Like you'd think a lesser guy like
40:04
fucking Chris Colbert would have just folded
40:07
getting hit with those shots. It's not like Ryan
40:10
wasn't landing. It was just his activity was
40:12
down and he couldn't really figure Russell out
40:14
until the very, very end. Honestly, with that
40:18
fight, I was surprised he did that good. We take
40:24
those results. It's good for the division too.
40:28
Yeah. It just felt like a little bit, it kind
40:33
of felt like they were kind of like going to
40:35
bank off the loss of GAR to try to give Ryo a
40:38
win. And so, and I realized during the fight,
40:41
I was like, okay, actually, it's the opposite.
40:44
You know what I mean? Like, don't mind it. It's
40:47
good matchmaking. And the loser, it's not like
40:50
the loser's completely out. 140's pretty stacked.
40:53
Yeah. And you know what? Like, GAR, he's a very
40:57
entertaining fighter. He's a very entertaining
41:00
fighter. That I like to watch. I'm going to be
41:03
excited to watch it from now on. Because last
41:06
night, I was kind of made a fan of him. You know?
41:10
Kind of reminded me of a throwback fighter. You
41:13
know what I mean? That's my two cents. No disagreement
41:17
here. All right. Good. I was just sitting back
41:24
and soaking that all in. That was great. All
41:28
right. Now, last one. I think, Alex, I gave you
41:32
the backstarts. So, Josh, let's... Gervonta Davis,
41:37
majority draw for Lamar Bush. What the fuck?
41:40
Go on. That... My insane take is that Tank is
41:50
no... Kind of... He has a propensity to underperform
41:54
against opponents, like, who are smaller than
41:59
him and the... Like, just in general. Like, please
42:03
remember the Gamboa fight. He looked about the
42:06
same. He looked about the same with Gamboa. Like,
42:12
it's just something he has where, like, if he's...
42:16
Especially with, like, a counterpuncher on his
42:18
level. If you're not 100 % dialed in, your feet
42:23
are going to be shit and your defense is going
42:25
to be shit. And it doesn't matter how powerful
42:27
you are. Like anyone can beat you when you're
42:30
not focused. I think it was embarrassing and
42:35
disappointing for Tank to go out and do that
42:38
right on the cusp of getting his legacy matchups
42:41
because now we're going to waste six months where
42:44
he's just going to beat Lamont Roach's ass in
42:47
the first round because he's going to show up.
42:49
actually focused. It's a waste of time, and it's
42:53
embarrassing, but it's not unexpected. What do
42:56
you guys think? You want to go first? No, go
42:59
ahead. I got a lot to say on the last thing.
43:03
I got a lot to say. I got a lot of shit to talk
43:05
about. Alright, I'll get in there. I think, Josh,
43:11
you nailed it. What I was going to say, anyway,
43:13
is he wasn't... He didn't take this seriously.
43:17
Like, he was expecting that he was going to get
43:19
the, what, knockout in the first four rounds
43:21
or some shit. And he just kind of toyed around
43:25
looking for an opening. And when it didn't present
43:29
itself, he just didn't seem to have any other
43:32
plan. And big ups to Lamont Roach. My man did
43:37
not get it. He won just because Gervonta Davis
43:41
could not adapt to the possibility that someone
43:43
is not going to let themselves get chinned. Yeah.
43:47
And it's not, it's just his feet. His feet are
43:52
still, like, he has to set those traps. With
43:56
Ryan, he had, with Ryan, he moved laterally and
44:01
set those traps. So when Ryan came streaking
44:03
in, he was in position to throw. Raleigh, same
44:07
thing. He positioned himself. He didn't make
44:10
big moves. He crept back to the ropes, sidestepped.
44:14
His feet were there. And when he's not focused,
44:17
he just stands there and takes punches. Like
44:20
with Gamboa. The Gamboa fight was the same shit.
44:24
He showed up unfocused and it's just... It just
44:28
becomes embarrassing to watch. Alex, it's time.
44:34
Listener discretion is advised. I think we're
44:37
going to have some NC -17 extreme language. Not
44:41
suitable for under -17s. Yeah. This is gonna
44:46
be the people versus Tank Davis. The people versus
44:50
Tank Davis. The people. The people of the Boxing
44:54
B -Sides. The people. Don't lump us in. Alex
44:58
of Boxing B -Sides versus Tank Davis. Let me
45:02
tell you this. I'm gonna start off with the simple
45:06
fact that Tank has the makings of an all -time
45:10
great. Okay. No doubt about it. This fight. Has
45:15
tarnished that. It has dragged it through the
45:18
mud. And as a boxing fan. It has made me. Severely
45:24
disappointed. In Javante. The fact. That he brought
45:31
up someone. From Super Featherweight. Gave him
45:35
a shot at the title. And arguably. Lost the fight.
45:41
Is just. It's astounding. And that's only a little
45:46
part of the argument. Okay? Let me ask you guys
45:50
this, okay? When in the history of boxing has
45:55
someone taken a knee, gone to the corner, and
45:58
had their face wiped? And it was not ruled a
46:01
knockdown? Answer me. I'm being serious. Tell
46:05
me. When has this ever happened in boxing? Because
46:07
I don't remember any time. I think I saw a Sunday
46:12
Puncher member get 10 ,000 likes on Twitter by
46:15
posting that clip of Crawford getting knocked
46:17
down by Mean Machine and not having it called.
46:21
I've seen knockdowns not get called that were,
46:24
like, legitimately, like, punch knockdowns. Yes.
46:28
No. Or stupid technicalities where, like, the
46:30
dude slips, but he got tagged. You know what
46:33
I mean? Yes. A knee? But going to the corner.
46:36
I'm talking about going to the corner and talking
46:39
to your corner. How is that legal? How is that
46:44
legal in boxing? Honestly, my thought, seeing
46:50
it live, I kind of short -circuited being like,
46:54
what the fuck is happening? There is a non -zero
46:57
chance that the same thing happened to Steve
46:59
Willis because, again, when have you seen it
47:02
happen? Like, odds are that it... Sorry, keep
47:09
talking. Sorry. Like, I'm not saying put yourself
47:13
in his shoes because he obviously should know
47:16
better, but also, like, it's something so baffling.
47:21
Like, if you've seen every, if you're a boxing
47:24
referee who's seen everything and it's something
47:26
completely new, it's not a boxer asking for a
47:29
timeout. He takes a knee, pivots on that knee,
47:32
gets up, gets his face wiped, and he's back to
47:34
fighting. Like, what? Hold on. The audacity.
47:40
I know. The audacity. Yeah. The audacity. Let
47:45
me ask you this. The audacity. Let me ask you
47:48
this. Would Lamont have gone DQ'd if he ran up
47:51
the tank and started hitting him? Probably not.
47:55
Well, I think he probably would have. He probably
47:58
could have if he did that. No. I feel like in
48:01
that case, you get the knockdown called, though.
48:05
But there's a point deduction for hitting a guy
48:08
when he's down. So like it evens out. But in
48:11
that case, you force the call. Oh, if he had
48:14
jumped on him and he says, oh, yeah, you can't
48:18
hit him right now. Like, well, he's down. Why
48:21
not? Why can't I? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like in that
48:24
case, you do. Yeah. Like in that case, it turns
48:27
it from like a weird non -boxing thing to like,
48:31
OK, boxing. Boxing boxing moment boxing foul
48:35
Mm -hmm, right like it contextualizes it. I'm
48:40
not defending it. Anyway, that's fucking ridiculous
48:42
But I was then how it was missed because you
48:46
have like 80 ,000 people screaming at you And
48:50
like this is something completely new you're
48:53
an old fuckers refereed forever and like Let
48:57
me just take a sec. Let me say this That was
49:02
on purpose. That's Steve Willis right there.
49:04
That was Mayweather's guy. That was Mayweather's
49:08
man. Steve Willis is like... You can't say that
49:11
was Bayless, bro. Steve Willis is the guy...
49:14
Steve Willis is the guy who makes the faces.
49:18
Like crab walks and eyes pointing in opposite
49:22
directions. Yeah, he makes the faces. He was
49:25
in porn in the early 2000s. Wait, wait, wait.
49:27
Okay, okay, okay. You're right. You're right.
49:30
That actually takes a little bit. Yeah, Jar Jar
49:34
Binks. Jar Jar Binks. You're right. Jar Jar Binks.
49:36
You're right. That's my bad. That's my bad. That's
49:39
my bad. To the casual audience, that's my bad.
49:40
I'm also casual. I just show my true casual side.
49:43
Look. Look. That don't matter. That don't matter.
49:46
Because you know what? That's still bull. That
49:48
is still bull. That tank can go to a corner and
49:52
get his face wiped off and talk to the corner
49:53
and not get an appointment deducted. At least,
49:57
my thing is that what did it did it did it uh
50:01
did he start counting was it didn't they didn't
50:04
i think three or four no but the thing is that
50:08
like he looked you know how when someone goes
50:10
down and then they look at the timekeeper who's
50:14
actually keeping track of the count he picked
50:18
up the count at like three and then but like
50:22
again it's just the processing thing We all looked
50:27
at it. It took a second to realize what was happening.
50:31
It was like, what the fuck? I saw that in chat.
50:32
Steve Willis, he doesn't have the benefit of
50:36
being able to take that second because there's
50:40
a professional sporting event happening. He's
50:43
got to make a decision. And sometimes the best
50:46
decision is no decision. If you really don't
50:51
know what's happening, it's easier to make no
50:54
decision. than the wrong decision. Granted, no
50:57
decision was absolutely the wrong... He made
50:59
the wrong decision. For sure. But he took a knee.
51:03
Imagine the... If you see a fighter take a knee,
51:06
that's an obvious knockdown. His glove touched
51:09
the motherfucking floor. He went to his quarter.
51:12
His knee touched the floor. That's what matters.
51:15
And the thing is, he went to his quarter, so
51:17
he went... He ran to his quarter and got his...
51:20
But there's no... Like, he got his face wiped.
51:23
And then came back immediately. It happened in
51:25
the span of a couple seconds. So by the time
51:28
you're processing the knockdown, there's three
51:31
things beyond that that you now have to process.
51:36
It's pretty simple that he took a knee. Yeah.
51:40
He took a knee. That's all you gotta know. He
51:44
just took a knee. I understand there's different
51:45
angles, but it's pretty obvious the brother took
51:48
a knee. No, it's a bad missed call, but... I
51:53
don't think that was a bad missed call at all.
51:54
I don't think so at all. The only way I think
51:58
it could have been a missed call is the shock
52:00
of seeing Tank Davis take a knee. Maybe that.
52:05
Maybe. You literally just said, when does a fighter
52:09
take a knee and then go to his court? You described
52:11
an impossible scenario, except for this one time.
52:16
My point is that you see a fighter take a knee
52:18
in the first place, you got to start counting.
52:21
That is a rule in boxing. Like Jamal Charlo,
52:25
right? I'm not versed enough to think about whether
52:30
you can retract a knockdown from it. I don't
52:35
know. Please, someone call in and correct me.
52:41
Can you retract a knockdown after it's been called
52:43
if there's a reason for the knee? Let's say...
52:48
833 -589 -7637. Call it in. Yeah. Like, correct
52:53
me if I'm wrong, but there would be no way for
52:55
Steve to go in between rounds and be like, yeah,
52:58
actually, JK, that was my bad. No, that does
53:02
allow for replays. So with the video replay,
53:07
maybe. I'm just positing. I'm not saying that
53:11
it should or shouldn't have been overturned by
53:13
replay, but it's an option. I feel like replay,
53:18
like the way Nevada does replay should just be
53:20
the standard. Yeah. Sure. Because that way, that
53:27
way, like, because like what, like, let's say
53:30
like, yeah, Steve calls the knockdown and then
53:34
no, it turns out it's legitimate. He can't take
53:37
back the knockdown. Like either decision you
53:41
make in throws the fight off. So, like, from
53:45
the perspective of this is a major fight, no
53:51
decision was what decision made. And it was wrong.
53:56
But also, like, what other way do you... Yeah,
54:02
but the thing is that if he calls the knockdown,
54:04
yeah, Tank has shit in his eye and he needs it
54:06
wiped off. You can't take back that knockdown.
54:09
Now Roach wins and it costs Tank the fight. Well,
54:13
my thing is this and that. He went to his corner.
54:16
That's my whole point, is that he went to his
54:18
corner. It wasn't like a pushdown where he took
54:19
a knee, he tripped, or he took a knee, right?
54:22
He took a knee. He explicitly said, I took a
54:25
knee. And he went to the corner. There's no way.
54:29
The way I feel is like, there's something foreign
54:32
in your eye. You can't call timeouts. You can't,
54:37
like, turn to the referee away from your opponent,
54:39
be like, hey, I can't fucking see. Can I go get
54:43
it wiped off? Because then Roach is just going
54:45
to beat the fuck out of him. How early? I was
54:48
a little bit asked. I think it was middle of
54:50
the round, right? Yeah. Was it? Like, it was
54:54
the middle of the round. How did you not notice
54:57
that, like, a minute before? Yeah. That's true,
55:01
actually. I saw a post of the lady that did Gervonta
55:05
taking his hair. She was complaining. She was
55:08
like, I put no grease in your hair. You're bullshitting.
55:10
You're lying. Stop lying. I don't know. Granted,
55:16
the assumption I am making, because it was the
55:19
one made, technically the official decision is
55:23
that there was shit in his eye, right? Is that
55:27
there was shit in his eye. Too much grease on
55:28
your face or something. Yeah. Like, take the
55:33
case of a... I just can't... Like, that's the
55:36
official reason. Like, sometimes... Like, yeah,
55:38
you have too much fucking grief. Like, he gets
55:40
vastly put on his face in between rounds. That's
55:42
normal. Like, just a smidge. But if it's too
55:45
much, people will just stop it and make you wipe
55:48
it off. Yeah. But that's on the referee to notice.
55:53
Yeah. Could have told the referee, like, hey,
55:56
there's some shit in my eye. And then Steve Willis
56:01
decides, do I stop this right now or no? But
56:04
then Roach can just punch him because it's the
56:08
middle of the round. Yeah, he hears him say,
56:09
there's some shit in my eye. I can't see. Or
56:12
like, I got Vaseline in my eye just to game it.
56:17
He said it was his hair thing. So just to game
56:20
it, like, oh, there's Vaseline in my eye. I can't
56:23
see. And then he's like, oh, well, I'll stop
56:25
it in 10 seconds. Well, then. I don't know. Yeah,
56:30
I feel like the case is, like, remember when
56:32
the Spence -Ugas fight, where Spence totally
56:36
legitimately, like, his mouthpiece did fall out.
56:42
And, like, that's the case. That's, like, the
56:45
alternate scenario, where, like, if Tank brings
56:47
it up in that way, where he's like, my mouthpiece
56:49
is out, Ugas hit him, like, cleanly, within the
56:52
rules. But, like... That's like it's it's so
56:58
weird that like I feel like that shouldn't define
57:02
the fight I feel like the rest of the rest of
57:06
decks embarrassing fucking performance. Oh my
57:10
god be the topic because focusing on this one
57:13
like Grease gaily like once -in -a -lifetime
57:17
Occurrence it isn't a grease gate. Everyone gets
57:19
Vaseline put on their face and especially in
57:21
between rounds once you've been hit Let me tell
57:23
you this. Okay, cuz take we guys know takes up
57:27
Pretty amazing counterpuncher, right? He's one
57:29
of the best. Exactly. So you take that away from
57:32
Tank, what does he have? I mean, again, he has
57:35
the rest of his skills, but you take away...
57:39
You take away his Golden Goose, what do you have?
57:44
He needs to actually fight. He needed to fight
57:47
Roach. He hasn't really done that. To fight in
57:51
the front foot, he hasn't really done that in
57:53
a long time. You know what I mean? You guys know
57:57
he waits a long time to get started. It's because
57:59
usually when he uses his feet, he can set those
58:03
traps, though, even having to come forward, like
58:06
with Barrios. Because the thing is, you cannot
58:09
out -bang tank. You cannot do that in your wildest
58:12
dreams, okay? But you can out -skill tank. You
58:16
can out -think tank. It's possible. And he did
58:20
that last night. Roach did that last night. He
58:22
made tank go forward, and he counter -tanked.
58:25
With all of his shots. He had an answer for all
58:27
of Tank's shots. And honestly. And I hate to
58:31
say it. Roach. I'm actually happy to say this.
58:35
Roach got the better of Tank. In almost all of
58:38
their changes. In my opinion. Just overarching.
58:41
Especially given how. Poor. Tank's performance
58:46
was. Once he figured out. Oh shit I can't just
58:50
knock him out. I actually have to do something
58:53
here. How much does the change of head coach
58:56
play into this? So much. Calvin Ford had been
59:05
the guy that kept them dialed in. That stretch
59:08
he had after the Gamboa fight where he actually
59:10
started living with Calvin Ford to now. Please,
59:14
like, it's not just his performance in the ring.
59:17
It's how focused he is on the sport. Like, he
59:20
didn't start talking about, oh, I want to retire.
59:24
Oh, this is my last bit. Until he got with the
59:27
new coach. Like, Calvin Ford needs to be the
59:30
dominant voice in this guy's camp. It's just
59:33
what it is. Like, just for one of his peers,
59:38
a similar case. Look how bad Teofimo went downhill
59:42
after Joey Gamache left his camp. They stopped
59:45
paying Joey Gamache. I forgot Gamache was in
59:47
his corner. Gamache made the game plan for Lomachenko.
59:53
The winning plan, motherfuckers. The winning
59:56
plan. And then for Kembozos, Gamache was gone
1:00:02
because Lopez didn't want to pay him anymore.
1:00:03
Some guys can bounce between trainers and be
1:00:06
okay. Some guys need their trainer. I don't know,
1:00:10
dude. It pisses me off to see Hank lose like
1:00:13
that. Well, he didn't lose, but he lost. And
1:00:16
in the eyes of the public, he lost. Okay. No,
1:00:21
but he also lost. I don't mean legacy in terms
1:00:24
of like, oh, this fight exposed him. His legacy
1:00:26
is cooked. Because every all -time great even
1:00:29
has... shit nights. You're not going to judge
1:00:33
Ali off of his loss. Leon Spinks. Leon Spinks
1:00:41
was the most comparable one. 7 -0. Who is this
1:00:46
guy, right? Yeah. And you choke. Choke and lose.
1:00:52
Who is this guy? Everyone has their one. But
1:00:58
this one is... This one is bad, though. This
1:01:00
one's really bad. That's another thing, too,
1:01:03
that I think also influenced Tank is him being
1:01:05
mentally unwell before this fight. Because we
1:01:09
all heard, I talked about this with you on the
1:01:11
podcast before, that Gervonta has been talking
1:01:15
about fucking retiring. Yeah. And people say,
1:01:18
oh, he's just saying that for bullshit. No, I
1:01:20
think he legitimately meant that. He legitimately
1:01:23
meant about, yeah, he talked about retiring.
1:01:25
And honestly, I can kind of see Gervonta retiring
1:01:27
after this. I see the timeline of that happening.
1:01:32
You know what I mean? With the timeline, he has
1:01:37
to rematch Roach and then he's lost the chance
1:01:40
at his legacy fights at the perfect time. Exactly.
1:01:45
This is the moment to be having his legacy fights.
1:01:48
The thing is, he could ignore Roach. He could
1:01:50
just move on. But the thing is, there's always
1:01:53
going to be that stain on his career. You know
1:01:56
what I mean? That's going to be part of the promotion
1:01:58
for every single other fight. Exactly. He beat
1:02:03
you. He beat you. I don't care what the judges
1:02:06
said. The guy who lost to Jamel Herring beat
1:02:08
you. This whole fight card was not worth the
1:02:11
$80. I'll tell you that. Except it was not worth
1:02:16
it until Tank losing. I think that made it worth
1:02:22
it. I think we have to consider the health of
1:02:24
the market, though, when we talk about pay -per
1:02:26
-view prices. Because, like, Tank is such a draw.
1:02:31
And if you need $80, like, you need expensive
1:02:35
pay -per -views for stars. The problem isn't
1:02:38
that this is $80. The problem is that nothing
1:02:41
else except for, like, Pro Box is affordable.
1:02:44
Yeah. I think, like, the biggest draws of the
1:02:48
sport should always have expensive pay -per -views
1:02:51
because them fighting, it's like going to a concert
1:02:53
or watching or paying for a concert. It's an
1:02:55
event. Yeah, that's what Floyd Mayweather fights
1:02:59
were. Yeah, they were events. Like, when Canelo
1:03:02
was on that stretch where he'd sell out a stadium
1:03:05
and have a, like, his ring walkout would be a
1:03:07
fucking mariachi band concert. That was literally,
1:03:11
like, it's 80 bucks. I've been at a few of them,
1:03:15
actually. And they're... Yeah. Wow. I just think
1:03:20
the rest of the market devalues this type of
1:03:24
event. Because Turkey will put together a card
1:03:27
that... The card of the century. The card of
1:03:31
the century. Everything's the card of the century.
1:03:34
And it's $20. The next one is the card of the
1:03:37
century, and it's $30. We're going to get to
1:03:39
$80 eventually. but it devalues the rest of the
1:03:42
market because some guys aren't like i would
1:03:46
love for better bf and bevel to be pay -per -view
1:03:50
stars that would be cool they are not so they're
1:03:53
not worth that much and it's not any slight to
1:03:57
their ability it's just like don't pay this you
1:04:02
don't pay the same for a taylor swift ticket
1:04:05
to like your local like cover band You don't
1:04:09
pay the same. I don't know. You don't pay the
1:04:11
same money. Do you think the card was worth it,
1:04:14
though? Because I see what you're saying, but
1:04:18
to pay $80 to see Tank fight... It wasn't worth
1:04:21
$80. That's US prices, right? It's not worth
1:04:24
$80. That being said, I am... Actually, I legally
1:04:30
pay for everything. That's why we're asking about
1:04:32
it. Of course, because we all pay for all of
1:04:35
them. We all pay for all of it. Like, this would
1:04:40
be more worth $80 if the market wasn't so inflated
1:04:44
with, like, three pay -per -views a week that
1:04:47
all require subscriptions, and some of them require
1:04:49
another subscription. Yeah, I agree. Like, it's
1:04:53
just crowded. Like, Matchroom, you gotta pay
1:04:56
for the DAZN subscription, and then nowadays,
1:04:59
anyone with a name is on pay -per -view, and,
1:05:01
like, it's a tough pill to swallow, but you just
1:05:05
have to charge more for your biggest stars. Because
1:05:08
that's the only way you're going to differentiate
1:05:10
them in terms of an earning perspective. I see
1:05:15
what you're saying. I agree. But the thing is,
1:05:16
people don't become pay -per -view stars because
1:05:19
of how much the pay -per -view is worth. They
1:05:22
become pay -per -view stars on who they fight.
1:05:24
Yeah. See what I'm saying? Yeah, but Tank is
1:05:28
a unique case. Canelo had a sellout arena and
1:05:32
everything to fight Avni Yildirim. It's about
1:05:36
the event rather than... We are ostensibly hardcores.
1:05:42
Yeah. We actually think about this stuff. The
1:05:46
average fan goes, hey, did you watch the tank
1:05:49
fight? He beat the fuck out of that guy. Usually.
1:05:53
Right? Yeah, I would say usually. Usually. Usually
1:05:56
it's... His name is Kevin. He's not too far from
1:06:01
here. He often calls in on the MMA show, but
1:06:03
he asks, hey... What the fuck on the tank fight?
1:06:07
That was, like, he texts me. Like, he texts the...
1:06:10
That'll be the only boxing text you get all year
1:06:14
from these types of friends. From outside of
1:06:17
the, you know, Lux family, the SP. Yeah. Like,
1:06:24
from your casual friends, you don't... People
1:06:28
don't say... Yeah, I really love Bivol, better
1:06:31
be of. What a good technicians fight. They go
1:06:33
like, did you watch Jake Paul? Damn, that really
1:06:38
sucked how he beat up that old man. You watched
1:06:41
Canelo beat the fuck out of that scrub. That
1:06:44
was cool. Tank beat the shit out of that guy.
1:06:47
That guy was a world champion. I'm going to need
1:06:50
you to stop with this fucking nuance stuff. How
1:06:53
am I supposed to be mad about... Tank kicking
1:06:56
a fucking knee in the middle of the round. Yeah,
1:06:59
let's get back to that shit, dude. What the fuck?
1:07:00
You invited me. You invited me. We don't know.
1:07:03
Hey, wait, Josh. This is why I want to write
1:07:06
the articles. We're supposed to bring nuance
1:07:08
and fucking thoughtful discussion. Come on. Hey,
1:07:11
Josh, we love you here. Because you know what?
1:07:14
You made me think a lot about that. You're right.
1:07:16
About a lot of that stuff. That's why I'm asking
1:07:18
you to write the articles. You made me forget
1:07:20
I was so angry. So thank you. No. Fuck off. I'm
1:07:25
playing. I'm playing. No, seriously. It was really
1:07:28
good. Like, that was a lot of perspective that
1:07:30
I, as much as I knew in the back of my head,
1:07:33
like, I never consciously thought, like, yeah.
1:07:35
You just got to remind yourself sometimes that,
1:07:37
like, our sport is niche. It is. It is. okay
1:07:42
we we gotta keep rolling like we're pretty fucking
1:07:45
deep into this okay we'll see how much of that
1:07:48
makes the public the public release but it is
1:07:51
important to remind you if you want to hear all
1:07:55
like all the details the weeds patreon man if
1:08:01
you want to hear it and i'm telling you it's
1:08:03
it is i was like just sitting back I consider
1:08:08
myself to be a pretty in -the -weeds, sicko kind
1:08:11
of guy. And I'm just sitting back like, yeah,
1:08:13
yeah, yep, keep going. You guys, you boys, yeah,
1:08:16
keep going. Hopefully articles are posted on
1:08:20
the website soon, hopefully. Josh is a fucking
1:08:22
boss, dude. It's coming together, man. It really
1:08:24
is. Leo, get that set up, please. It is set up.
1:08:27
It's just waiting for you. Oh, shit. Yeah, I'll
1:08:29
start. Let me know how I get that. Okay, that's
1:08:31
besides the point. No, not podcast discussion.
1:08:33
All right. All right, cool. Tank sucked. Hank
1:08:36
sucked this last weekend. Retire. Retire, you
1:08:40
bums. There we go. That's the hot take we fucking
1:08:44
need, man. Retire now. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You
1:08:49
see, even when I'm shocked from a hot take like
1:08:51
that, that's how you know it's fucking controversial.
1:08:54
Damn. That's going to make the podcast, not the
1:08:57
good discussion. That's the fun part. Oh, my
1:09:02
God. That's shocking, bro. I'm going to get a
1:09:06
text like, you told Tank to retire. And I'm like,
1:09:09
wait, you didn't listen to the other 50 minutes
1:09:11
of pay -per -view prices. Like 30, 45 fucking
1:09:16
minutes about a whole lot. Pay -per -view prices.
1:09:20
Pay -per -view prices. No, well, that's just
1:09:23
boxing politics is what it is. And more important
1:09:28
news, my cat has decided to take a shit in the
1:09:31
litter box right next to me. That's always nice.
1:09:35
Get out of here. Final thoughts on Tank Davis
1:09:41
and Mr. Roach. Let's go Lamont Roach. I'm happy
1:09:47
to see him win in the eyes of the public. I was
1:09:50
happy to see Tank Booth. A pro box fighter getting
1:09:52
up there and beating a pound for pound guy. Not
1:09:56
even a pound for pound guy. The pound for pound
1:10:00
guy that is the face of One of the faces of boxing.
1:10:05
One of the faces of boxing. He's on the right
1:10:07
now Mount Rushmore. Oh, yeah. And honestly, can
1:10:13
I say something that might be hot as well? From
1:10:16
that fight, I think... Yeah, don't edge him,
1:10:19
bro. Come on, just speak. Just let her rip. Well,
1:10:23
I'm letting her rip because I've got to prepare
1:10:24
you guys to hear my take. I think Keyshawn, I
1:10:29
think Shakur, and... This is gonna be a little
1:10:32
hot. I think Ryan could have beat Tank on that
1:10:34
night. Bro, I think Josh Padley could have beat
1:10:38
Tank on that fucking night the way he wasn't
1:10:40
moving his feet, bro. Floyd Schofield? Okay,
1:10:44
I actually rate... I am a Floyd Schofield glazer.
1:10:47
Like, I actually thought I had a good chance.
1:10:50
I'm a glazer, so... Like when I saw people being
1:10:53
like, even Boots could beat Tank. And I'm like,
1:10:56
I think Boots could beat Tank normally. I rate
1:10:58
Boots so high. Boots is so good. What? That's
1:11:04
how you know the casuals are watching these fights,
1:11:07
bro. They're like, even Boots, like, Boots is
1:11:10
some shitter. What do you mean, even Boots? Even
1:11:13
Boots. Boots beats him three times in the same
1:11:16
night, bro. Come on. It was funny to watch Tank
1:11:22
lose, and I'm pissed at the decision. But you
1:11:24
know what? As long as everybody thinks he lost,
1:11:26
as long as everybody thinks he lost, that's fine.
1:11:29
My eyes. Glory to the ProBucks empire. Let's
1:11:33
see what happens with Tank. Let's see what happens
1:11:35
with Tank in the next couple years. All right,
1:11:40
previews. All right, preview time. On the 15th
1:11:42
on DAZN matchroom in Orlando at the Caribe Royale.
1:11:47
There's a couple of names, recognizable names,
1:11:51
marginally. Jose Roman Vasquez versus Jaleel
1:12:00
Hackett. I swear I've heard of Hackett before.
1:12:03
Yeah, he was a prospect. I think he got bopped
1:12:07
in his last one. Let me see. A split decision
1:12:12
to Jose Roman. uh okay so they're rematching
1:12:16
to yeah get him back on track so that's cool
1:12:19
oh uh jermaine ortiz got cut from top rank here
1:12:25
he is yeah that was a tough cut that's he's not
1:12:27
bad he put yeah he put in the work like you called
1:12:31
him up every time and he showed up for you yeah
1:12:35
he had good fights too it's not even like he
1:12:39
had stinkers Top ranks is dying. High key. They
1:12:45
fucked up. They're not going to renew with ESPN.
1:12:48
They're going to end up on the zone with their
1:12:50
DVD quality fucking shit ass streams. Jermaine
1:12:54
Probox is calling to you. You want to get back
1:12:59
to the title picture. You want to even be there?
1:13:02
Fastest path to an IBF title shot. It's Probox.
1:13:06
Facts. IBF is the Probox title. Yeah, come on.
1:13:11
You want an IBF title shot? Probox is your guy.
1:13:14
Come on. Moving up, Edgar Berlanga versus Jonathan
1:13:20
Ortiz. Struggling to care. Is Berlanga here?
1:13:26
Who's the one getting fraud checked, though?
1:13:29
I don't know. Can they get a double knockout?
1:13:34
One can hope. One can hope that they both lose.
1:13:41
Go ahead. Next one. Yep. Austin. Is he ammo again?
1:13:46
Ammo Williams. He's the mechanic at one point.
1:13:49
He went to Tiger. He's going to be a mechanic
1:13:53
after Volney's done with him. Versus Patrice
1:13:56
Volney. Volney's been on a few Eye of the Tiger
1:13:59
cards. Had some good success over there, so not
1:14:04
surprising to see him crossing into a bigger...
1:14:09
His one loss to Falcao, it was honestly really
1:14:15
unfortunate. Unfortunate technical decision.
1:14:18
He was really putting it on Falcao at that point
1:14:21
in the fight, but the cut happened and went to
1:14:24
the technical decision. He was coming on, but
1:14:28
he lost the early round. Genuinely. There's a
1:14:33
good chance that Emma Williams loses to Volney.
1:14:36
Volney's a good, good operator. Patrice Volney
1:14:39
is not someone to be trifled with if you don't
1:14:42
come. It's not just it's not just glazing because
1:14:44
I'm Canadian. Well, Amber Williams headlining
1:14:49
is kind of it's kind of questionable. Edgar Berlanga
1:14:53
up there. Well, it's like a well, because Berlanga
1:14:57
like like after he lost everything after like
1:15:00
he stopped getting knockouts when he got cut
1:15:04
from top rank. Yeah, even top rank couldn't even
1:15:08
put him in the protection program. He was that
1:15:10
bad. Eddie Hearns. What's a little bit softer
1:15:17
than protection program? Like the nursery? The
1:15:21
nursery. Where you go to be flabbergasted. The
1:15:25
NICU. The N -I -C -U. Okay. But that's it. That's
1:15:34
all we got. For this one. Beautiful. Parting
1:15:38
words. Yeah, hold on a second. Let me... I gotta
1:15:41
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1:16:55
Beats. And for more shows like the one you just
1:16:57
listened to, go to lvxmedia .net. Time snapper
1:17:01
the shits gotta pay for the for itself. So I
1:17:04
always yeah our our six Yeah, we're quite this
1:17:12
one is gonna be cut very strangely It was gonna
1:17:16
be very interesting, huh it is But it's good.
1:17:20
It's actually really good. Let me let me I'll
1:17:27
start with the parting words. This is a quote
1:17:29
from Helen Keller that I like to use a lot. It's
1:17:34
the best and most beautiful things in the world
1:17:36
cannot be seen or even touched. They must be
1:17:39
felt with a heart. And I always I quoted that
1:17:43
one before on the MMA show to say it's there
1:17:50
is nothing. As much bullshit as we talk, as much
1:17:56
as we like to dump on the sport, we do it because
1:17:58
we love it. And I can tell you, I feel very safe
1:18:04
in saying that I can speak for both of you when
1:18:06
I say there's nothing like a big fight weekend.
1:18:10
Nothing. No, like your favorite team is in the
1:18:14
Super Bowl or the World Series. No, it's not
1:18:18
the same. It just isn't. And I have had my teams
1:18:23
in the Super Bowl, in the NBA playoffs, in the
1:18:27
World Series. It's not the same. There's nothing
1:18:31
like it. This is something that just once you
1:18:34
get a taste for it, you cannot get enough. I'm
1:18:37
telling you, fight sports is the shit. So there
1:18:41
you go. Parting words. Alex, go ahead. Uh, Tank
1:18:48
is on fraud watch right now. And he's just very
1:18:51
happy. And very sad. You said something so beautiful,
1:18:54
bro. I want to say something cool, but I still
1:19:01
got to say my piece about Tank. Be honest to
1:19:03
yourself. To thy own self be true. Speak your
1:19:07
truth, King. What happened was a travesty. And
1:19:11
I hope, I just hope that maybe he can come back
1:19:14
in the future. We'll see what happens. It's a
1:19:16
shitty part of the sport that unfortunately we
1:19:20
get used to. I remember my first time witnessing
1:19:24
a robbery and being like, oh my god, I can't
1:19:26
believe it. At this point, it's just part of
1:19:29
the game. Exactly. Yeah, we love this sport and
1:19:37
we only want to see it improve. There's something
1:19:39
about this sport in every aspect that is wonderful.
1:19:45
And as Karl Marx said, watch Probox. That's exactly
1:19:51
what Karl Marx said, huh? Yeah. Karl Marx. You
1:19:54
can read it in Das Kapital. It says right there.
1:19:57
There's a whole page dedicated to it in bold
1:19:59
font. Watch Probox. Just copy and paste it over.
1:20:03
He held control C and then he held control D.
1:20:07
Exactly. That's just how Karl Marx got down.
1:20:13
All right. So that's it, man. It's a little slow
1:20:18
this weekend, but we'll get there. Watch Pro
1:20:22
Box. Watch Pro Box. If you have Das Kapital,
1:20:28
then get yourself on DAZN because they do have
1:20:31
a lot of lower level promotions on their library.
1:20:35
So if you can, do. If you can't, fuck it. Like,
1:20:42
you're not missing out on too much. Bail the
1:20:44
high C's if you can't pay. Because we're going
1:20:48
to be here telling you all about it anyway. Oh,
1:20:51
yeah. So, with that, we'll see you on the other
1:20:55
side. Hopefully, we'll have some better, more
1:20:58
fun news, at the very least, to fill the gap.
1:21:02
All right.