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E175: He Went Undercover And Exposed Planned Parenthood w/David Daleiden · The Lila Rose Show

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So there is an actual government fund that is dispersed
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specifically to pay for aborted baby body parts.
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There's there's an entire category.
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She approved a raid on my one bedroom apartment and there were
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11 California DOJ agents who came filing out of a big white
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windowless van. Videos went immediately viral
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and really, I think, shocked the conscience of every single
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person who even watched a few seconds.
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David, what are people about to watch?
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Hey, guys, welcome back to the Lila Rose Show.
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Today we are sitting down with a good friend of mine, someone
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that I have a lot of respect for, who's done some tremendous
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work. You may have heard of him
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before, or maybe you're going to be introduced for the first time
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to this work. And this person, this is David
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Daleiden. I've known him since teenage
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years, and David was the incredible investigative
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reporter who uncovered Planned Parenthood, the biggest abortion
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chain selling baby body parts. Over the last several years,
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David has faced incredible lawfare from Planned Parenthood
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and their allies who are trying to, yeah, throw him in jail.
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But he's still persevering and continuing to expose the
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abortion industry. So we're going to deep dive all
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of that and more on today's episode.
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We're also going to talk about what this looks like going into
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the next four years under the Trump administration and the
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opportunities that we may have to stop federal funding of the
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biggest abortion chain and hold them accountable at last.
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David, thanks so much for joining the podcast.
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Thanks for having me on, it's great to finally be here.
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Yes, I know we've, we've, the only time we've filmed together
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before in this context was during the pandemic over.
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Zoom it out. And it didn't make it out.
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Yeah. So thanks for coming.
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Back for this for this interview, and I have a lot of
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respect for you and think you've just done incredible things for
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the movement. You're a great person too,
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inside and out, and I've known you for I don't know how many
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years it is. It's been almost. 20 it's been
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almost 20 years same yeah I don't you know, but you know
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that's. Crazy.
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Don't. Use up all your credibility on
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me, as they say. So that's well, you know, you
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have a pretty good track record so far.
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So we met in high school through Junior State of America.
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Junior State of America, yeah, it was this this high school
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like speech and debate organization that, you know, the
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interesting thing about it different from a lot of like
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speech and debate activities that you would do in high
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school. Certainly that like you and your
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family have done or that, you know, that I did with my friends
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in public school. The interesting thing about JSA
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is that you would have a crossover of kids from the
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public school system, from private schools, the home school
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kids. Incredibly subversive, actually.
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When you think about it, you know this.
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Organization. Yeah, it was.
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It was really cool. It was really special.
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Yeah. Most people don't know that
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about me, right? They that, you know, that I come
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from a, you know, a sort of unusual sort of background and
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that I, you know, I'm a product of the public school system in
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Northern California all the way through.
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And, you know, it's a, it's a different, it's a different
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environment than, you know, than the, than the homeschool co-ops
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in Northern California. There's a lot of hate on the
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public school system, and maybe this speaks more to your genius
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than the system, but you are an incredible researcher,
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obviously, and also a phenomenal writer and thinker.
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Thank you. So I think that is natural
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talent, but. Did the school?
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System help you with that or would you say that's?
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You know, so I, so, I mean, so it's, it's a little bit of a,
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you know, it's an interesting, you know, it's another kind of
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detail of the background because you know, 'cause the group in
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Davis, CA, which is a small university town outside of
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Sacramento and Northern California.
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So, you know, regardless of like the, the critiques and the
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scrutiny of the public school system writ large, and certainly
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in California, in Davis, it's, you know, they run a pretty
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tight ship with with that school system.
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You know, my mom was actually on the school board for many years.
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Her parents, my grandmother and my grandfather, both of them
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were teachers for many, many years.
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So I mean, thank you for saying some of it is natural talent.
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I did have some good opportunities for, you know, for
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kind of, you know, the, the writing and the, and the
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researching and the critical thinking being being formed.
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I mean, when I was in it was when I was in 7th grade, my, our
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7th grade English teacher like sat us down and taught us about
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Aristotle, which is kind of unusual for the public school
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system. Really good, very formative, but
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you know, especially, you know, the influence of my mom and my
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grandmother, especially non Italian one were, you know, that
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you're having having, having people.
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I think I mean, you relate to this, right?
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Having teachers and people who are concerned about education in
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the family makes a huge difference for, you know, for
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the early years of your, of, of your life.
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So. So tell us how you got
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passionate about fighting for life, about the pro-life cause.
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So, so I, you know, my story is not too different from yours in
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that respect. I think, you know, when I was
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in, when I was in middle school, when I was in junior high
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school, you know, we, we had just, we, I think we were
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approaching or we're kind of in the middle of election season in
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2004, in the 2004 campaign, there was a lot of talk about
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partial birth abortion at that time.
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It was in the newspapers and that, you know, to their credit,
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they actually printed like in the Sacramento Bee and in the
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New York Times, like a brief description of a partial birth
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abortion procedure, talking about a late term baby being
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delivered feet first on an ultrasound machine with
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ultrasound guidance and then having the head of the baby
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punctured and the brain suctioned out.
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And you just read that in black and white lettering in the
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prints, you know, as a, you know, as a 12 year old or a 13
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year old. And, and it's horrifying and
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it's barbaric. And you're like, wow, you know,
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they're teaching us in the Northern California public
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school system. They're teaching us about great
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historic injustices, right? About the history of chattel
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slavery in the United States, about the Holocaust, about, you
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know, any number of other grave historical injustices where a
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large number of people were persecuted and really hurt in
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just barbaric and ignorant ways by their fellow human beings.
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And the way that we grew up, you know, we always had this, this
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kind of sense that, you know, if we were around back during a
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time like that, we would have been different, right?
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We would have been one of the more enlightened groups of
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people who would have stood up and said, no, this is wrong.
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You can't treat people this way. And so, you know, being, you
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know, 12/13/14 reading about suctioning babies had these
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skulls out of the brains out of their skulls in the newspapers
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and then talking about it with with other kids at school who
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did not seem to be as horrified, which is surprising.
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But, you know, these are lots of like children of university
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professors and stuff like that. So there's kind of a different
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culture in terms of what they, you know, what they think is
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normal or what they're willing to accept.
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And, you know, realizing that I didn't have super great
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arguments at the time because I was 13, I, you know, I was just,
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you know, really starting to think about these things.
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And so I went home and I just, I started Googling about abortion
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and I discovered two things that really shook me to my core
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pretty strongly. And the first was that abortion
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has practiced in the United States is not just a, it's not
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just a very rare extreme, you know, unusual medical
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circumstance, something that's done, an intervention that's
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done extremely rarely. You know, it's the most common
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surgery in America. At that time.
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There was over a, you know, 1.2 million abortions every year in
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the United States. And then the second fact that I
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discovered was an image of what it looks like when a baby is
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actually killed through abortion.
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It was a dismembered second trimester baby.
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And that made all the talking points and all the headlines and
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all of the statistics just really real in a really concrete
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and and devastatingly sad and tragic way.
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Because regardless of I think I just think that regardless of,
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of the bad things that somebody might do, like in their life or
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mistakes that somebody might make, you know, you can't really
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assign any blame to a small child or to an infant.
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You can't say that there's anything they did that, you
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know, that could justify their life being snuffed out so
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quickly. And I just, I believe very
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strongly that everybody deserves at least a chance to try to see
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what what they can do to make it better or what they can do to
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what they can offer to the world.
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And so all those things just kind of, you know, just kind of
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swirled around me when I was when, you know, when I was 1314.
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And it just made me feel really convicted about this issue in
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particular. I started getting involved with
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the first local pro-life group that I was involved with was the
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UC Davis Students for Life. This was in like 2004, I think.
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I think it was like late 2004. So I was a high school student
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at that time going to attend the meetings of this college
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pro-life group. And that was very interesting.
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And then in 2005, I found myself on a bus heading over to the
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Winter Congress at the Junior State of America and
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encountered, you know, these radical homeschooled extremists
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who were, you know, very, very, you know, not only very
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pro-life, but very pro-life in a very organized and sophisticated
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way. And that was sort of, you know,
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that, you know, our interactions at that time was my first real
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exposure to A, to a sort of intentional, formal, like
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organized kind of pro-life advocacy.
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And that was, that was, you know, extremely formative as
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well. And so, you know, then 20 years
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later, you know, here we are with a, you know, with a podcast
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and undercover videos and, you know, $25 million in fines from
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Planned Parenthood and all these different things.
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But, you know, but also, you know, Roe versus Wade
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overturned. I mean, we're living in, you
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know, year 2, you know, 2 1/2 years since the Dobbs decision.
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You know, we used to, that used to be something we have thought,
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you know, we like, we dreamed about it, we thought about it,
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but but it's finally happened. And I don't think that we
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celebrate that enough. So you know, so life is good.
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There's a lot to do, as you know, and as you're you're,
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you're in the fight. So there's so much ground we
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could cover. We'll have to do it on another
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podcast about, you know, so many years.
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I know we worked together for years and JSA is how we met this
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crazy JSA thing, which again, was such a cool experience.
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Northern California. But you were already sensing
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this calling. I mean, was it a religious thing
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for you, the sense of calling to pro-life, or more just logical?
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I need to do something. There's children that are being
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butchered. I can't just sit down and not do
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That's a good question. So not originally, it did not
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originally feel religious in any way.
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So I, you know, I grew up in a kind of culturally Catholic
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home, very Jesuit influenced. And you know, some people will,
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you know, recoil in horror at that.
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And, you know, but they have also, I've come to appreciate a
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lot of some of the features of that over time because because
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there's a, there's a really special tradition there.
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But, you know, but I grew up in a just a very like kind of
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culturally Catholic home. Not necessarily, not necessarily
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super, you know, super hardcore as people might say, you know,
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there weren't you, We didn't necessarily go to Mass like
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every Sunday when I was a kid or when I was a teenager, you know,
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not super educated about the faith or anything.
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And but so, so it was, it was completely separate from like
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specifically Catholic or church influence that I started, you
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know, that I started discovering really the truth about abortion
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as practice in the United States.
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And, and it just looked so prima facie horrific and unjust on a
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personal level. That was actually something that
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made me start to take my Catholic faith a little bit more
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seriously because because what it said to me was basically, you
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know, wow. You know, if, if, if our
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civilization has gotten it so wrong that a large swath of our
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otherwise very advanced and very enlightened civilization is
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prepared to just accept killing babies on an industrial scale.
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That's how wrong our civilization has gotten it.
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And yet the Catholic Church is the one institution that is the
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most vocal and has been the most consistently vocal about the
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fact that, hey, guys, you got it wrong on this and you got it
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wrong in a big way. That says something pretty
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significant about the Catholic Church, I think, and about the
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wisdom that is available there. And perhaps it's, you know,
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divine wisdom, not just human wisdom.
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So, so that made me start to take my faith a lot more
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seriously when I was when I was a teenager.
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I think that, you know, I've been pretty vocal about this
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over the past several years. I think that pro-life values are
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universal values. I don't think that they're just
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owned by the church or owned by any other organization, any
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political party. But but, but at the same time,
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again, the on a personal level, it you know, it would be very
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hard to to spend quality time with dozens of late term
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abortion doctors, to hang out with them to to have drinks and
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and dinner with them, to withstand, you know,
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persecutions, law, fair depositions.
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Raids on your home. Raids on your home gang,
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stalking from pro abortion people, all kinds of stuff like
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it's very hard to with, I think it would be very hard on a
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personal level or on an individual level to withstand
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stuff like that without having a, a supernatural foundation
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really, which is what the church can can provide to everybody.
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So. Amen.
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OK. We got to get into CMP.
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The founding of CMP and the first investigative work that
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you've done through CMP, It was very groundbreaking for the
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movement. I remember in 2015 when the
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videos were first released, I think it was July 2015.
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July 2015. And there was this electricity
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in the movement of wow. First of all, how is this
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captured? This video, this video footage?
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This is insane. We're going to watch a clip here
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in a minute. How did someone pull this off?
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CMPCMP was basically just announced at the time.
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What is CMP? And so we're going to watch what
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you uncovered. I want you to talk about that.
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And I also, if you can't, want to hear from you about what it
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took to get this kind of footage because you mentioned it briefly
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a moment ago. This was years of you deeply
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undercover in the late term abortion industry.
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So I'll let you just share a comment on that if you have one.
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And then I'd love to start by looking at some of this footage
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that came out for the first time in 2015.
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Yeah, definitely. So, so my second kind of big
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pro-life conviction in in, in my life was, was learning about the
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specific phenomenon of the harvesting and trafficking and
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sale of aborted baby body parts for experimentation.
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It was something, you know, it's something that that used to, I
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feel like it, you know, 20 years ago, it used to kind of be on
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the fringes of pro-life discourse.
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It was something that was sort of out there, but but people
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hadn't really focused on it that much.
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When I was in college, I actually was, I was doing, I was
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sort of like an intern for I was like a researcher for a
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professor. And we thought that we might do
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a paper on stem cell research at the time.
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And so there was actually a, there was a special stem cell
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summit that was going on, I think at it was either at UCLA
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or University of Southern California.
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And I drove out there just to kind of attend the meeting and
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take some notes. And sure enough, there was a
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very prominent scientist from UC Irvine at the time who was
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giving a presentation about the work that their laboratory was
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doing using cell cultures from the brains of late term aborted
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babies. And I'll never forget, this was
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in, I think, 2009. I was sitting, I was sitting in
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the audience. You're not really sure what to
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expect. And this professor launched it,
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you know, very, you know, very smart, right?
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I mean, this is a, you know, a high, you know, high level
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university professor, NIH funded, you know, backed by a
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lot of like pharma R&D outfits and stuff like that, you know,
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very excited to show off the latest results of their
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research. And she's going through a
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PowerPoint slides and they start off with sort of the basic
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introduction and you know what we're going to cover.
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And there was a, there was a slide within the first maybe
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four or five slides that had to do with the methodology of the
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experiments that they were doing in their laboratory.
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And there's a bullet point on there that said neural stem
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cells harvested from electively aborted 20 week fetuses.
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And the way that this, you know, this very eloquent professor,
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very smart, lots to say about every bullet point on every
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slide. She breezed through that single
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bullet point in like half a second.
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It was like, I mean, it's almost comical right where you have,
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you know that that many words and and it was like motor mouse,
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just a port of feel bring really fast.
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And I, and I watched that and I thought, wow, these people
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really don't want to talk about the fact that they're having to
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kill babies in order to harvest their brains for their
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experiments. And, and it was even, and, and,
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you know, I think a lot of people when they think about
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the, the issue of harvesting and selling baby parts, right?
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There's a lot of people who I think are, who sometimes come to
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it with a little bit of confusion because, because
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there's the idea out there. Well, you know, weren't they,
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aren't they just getting them after the abortion?
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You know, the babies are dead anyway.
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Like, don't you want it to go to something good?
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But the level of anxiety and guilt that was clearly present
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in this professor's presentation when addressing that particular
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point of their research, that said to me, there must be
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something here more than just like taking a tragedy and like
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doing something good with it after the fact.
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Like otherwise, why are they acting so guilty and so
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embarrassed and so ashamed about this point?
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And the truth is, you know, in reality, the orders for the body
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parts are being placed while the babies are still alive.
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You know, a A5 month pregnant woman will walk into a big
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Planned Parenthood surgical center at 8:00 in the morning
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while her baby is still alive and kicking and has a heartbeat.
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And at the time that she's sitting in the waiting room,
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there are orders coming in from across the country for the brain
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or the heart or the lungs or the kidneys of that baby.
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And then by 5:00 PM that afternoon after the abortion's
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been done, the baby's been dismembered and those body parts
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of being FedEx shipped across the country to all those
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different laboratories. And so, you know, God forbid
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that a patient go in to the clinic who is still uncertain
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about what they're doing, who's feeling coerced, You know, this
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happened. You know, this is this is, you
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know, there are people who are still making up their mind right
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until the moment that they're on the operating table.
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And what? But once you decide to go
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through with an abortion and it's actually done, there's no
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taking that back, right? It's a life or death decision
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that that woman and that couple and that family will live with
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for the rest of their lives. And so for the commercial and
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experimental agendas. Of other organizations, other
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people and other entities to enter into that extremely
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intimate space where somebody is going to have to make a life or
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death decision that they will live with for the rest of their
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lives. It's a, that's a horrific
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tragedy, even if it happens just once to one person who's who
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ends up being forced into having an abortion or, or nudged into
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having an abortion that they maybe weren't going to otherwise
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because of somebody else's agenda.
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And so, and, and then beyond that, it's just, you know, at
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the end of the day, you know, they're not harvesting and
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selling little frog hearts or little rabbit brains or, or
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little mouse body parts. The, the reason that body parts
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from aborted babies are valuable for Planned Parenthood to sell
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and for researchers to experiment on is precisely
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because they're human beings just like you or I.
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And so it's a level of objectification beyond the
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original objectification of killing a baby through abortion.
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It's a level of dehumanization beyond the original
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dehumanization. It's this huge paradox because
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we're saying, well, they're human enough for us to
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experiment on, but they're not human enough for us to protect
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from being killed in the 1st place.
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They're, they're, they're more valuable dead than alive,
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basically. You know this, and this is
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jumping ahead a little bit, but you know, when I was starting to
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do the undercover work in 2013, there was a really special
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whistleblower from the company STEM Express.
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Her name was Holly O'Donnell, and she died several years ago,
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unfortunately. But, but, but Holly and others
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at STEM Express were willing to talk to me early on about what
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they were seeing, you know, in real time in the clinics, what
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they had seen, what they've seen in the laboratories.
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And one of these whistleblowers told me it wasn't Holly, but a
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different whistleblower who had worked in the laboratory set
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told me a story about the day that they got the biggest
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aborted fetal liver that she'd ever seen before.
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It was a 19 week baby killed at the Planned Parenthood in
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Sacramento, CA, which is a clinic that you know, that like
22:24
I've, I've like there used to be there.
22:26
There are still, you know, prayer vigils that like the
22:29
Diocese of Sacramento would would sponsor there and things
22:31
like that. So it's kind of, you know, in
22:34
the neighborhood, like it makes it really close to home, you
22:36
know where it is. And they received a 19 week
22:41
liver that was the biggest one they'd ever seen from from that
22:45
clinic while this particular lab manager was working there.
22:48
They took the liver, pulled the stem cells out of it, put the
22:51
stem cells in a vial and sold that vial for $17,000 to a
22:54
taxpayer funded laboratory. OK.
22:56
So it was worth it under the system, the way that this is all
22:59
set up, it was worth it for somebody to pay 17 grand for
23:04
that baby to die so that they could get the liver and use it
23:06
for their experiments, $17,000 in 2010.
23:12
You know, that might have, that might have been somebody's rent
23:14
money for the rest of the year that that would have made them
23:17
feel like, hey, like I can do this, I can have this baby.
23:19
I can go through with this. I don't have to have a late term
23:21
abortion that I'm going to live with for the rest of my life.
23:25
But under the but, but when you have a system, which we do,
23:29
where you have industrial scale baby killing through the
23:31
taxpayer funded abortion industry, and then you have the
23:33
government sponsoring experiments on their body parts
23:36
and sponsoring a demand for late term abortions to happen so they
23:40
can supply the body parts for experiments.
23:43
Then you create a system where it basically says some of these
23:46
kids are more valuable dead than alive.
23:49
And I don't know of any other situation that could be more
23:54
clearly wrong than that. I mean, I really, if you don't
23:58
see how that's wrong, I don't really know how to explain it to
24:00
you just kind of have to feel it at that point.
24:03
So yeah. So that so anyway, so that, so
24:06
all of these, so that that I think you're an original
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Let's watch some of the CNP footage now.
25:34
This is there are dozens of hours of CNP footage that have
25:38
been released so far. So this is just the tip of the
25:41
iceberg what we're about to watch.
25:43
I also just wanted to share this.
25:46
This is who we're talking about right now.
25:48
This is our baby at 20 weeks. This is a miscarried baby at 20
25:53
weeks. For people to have in mind what
25:58
we're talking about here, who we're talking about here, Let's
26:02
take a look at some of the footage that came out that
26:07
summer of 2015. And these videos, again,
26:11
incredibly explosive when immediately viral and really, I
26:14
think shocked the conscience of every single person who even
26:18
watched a few seconds. David, what are people about to
26:21
watch? Sure.
26:22
So you're about to see just a collection of some of the, some
26:27
of the more, some of the most shocking admissions that we
26:31
recorded from top level Planned Parenthood abortion leadership
26:36
during CN PS undercover investigation from 2013 to 2015.
26:42
These are some of the top level leaders of Planned Parenthood
26:46
both nationwide and also in some of their different regional
26:49
offices. This is just a, this is just a
26:53
fraction of everything that we recorded, but these are some of
26:56
the, these are some of the specific admissions and specific
26:59
statements of Planned Parenthood leaders that they have never
27:02
denied that these are their actual words that actually came
27:06
out of their mouths. In fact, Planned Parenthood
27:07
swore to this fact, both in both in court filings and in their
27:12
sworn depositions, that this is these are their actual people.
27:17
These are their actual faces, their actual voices, their
27:19
actual words, captured on video camera for the entire world to
27:22
see. And for those listening, can you
27:25
also share briefly the context here of Planned Parenthood's
27:29
size and the amount of taxpayer money they get and the amount of
27:32
kills that they do? Yeah, annually.
27:34
How many abortions they commit? Yeah.
27:36
So Planned Parenthood is the single biggest abortion provider
27:39
in our country. They are now a nearly $2 billion
27:43
a year organization. Back when we started doing this
27:47
kind of work, they were a one $1.2 billion a year
27:51
organization. They're now a $2 billion a year
27:53
organization. They they now do nearly 400,000
27:57
abortions every year and they're receiving close to $700 million
28:03
in taxpayer funding every year. So.
28:09
I'm not going to crush that part.
28:10
I'm going to basically rush below.
28:12
I'm going to crush above and I'm going to see that get out of
28:14
tax. A lot of people want to attack
28:16
parts these days. They're looking for specific
28:18
notes. Gave me notes.
28:20
I say I was like wow, I I need a note for them.
28:24
Yesterday was the first time, she said people wanted longer I
28:28
and then she felt like I said always as many intact livers as.
28:31
Well, what would you expect for intact tissue?
28:39
What? What sort of compensation?
28:41
What sort of? Well, why don't you start by
28:43
telling me where you used to pay?
28:45
I want to let it be because that's how we're going to keep
28:50
you happy, right, To make sure that financially you're growing
28:54
your clinic and however you need to say that frame it on the
29:01
other end, if we alter our process and we are able to
29:07
obtain intact fetal cadavers, it's all just a matter of line
29:12
items. For those who are listening,
29:20
some of those lines, you hear a lot of background noise.
29:22
You're in restaurants, you're in these situations.
29:27
People are, you know, waiters are walking by and you're
29:29
hearing Planned Parenthood executives talk about how they
29:34
want a Lamborghini for compensation for the body parts
29:39
of these second trimester babies or about how they manipulate the
29:44
abortion procedure so they can get these intact body parts.
29:50
Can you help folks listening or walk folks listening through
29:55
what these admissions meant in terms of what these clinics were
30:00
actually doing and then also the legality of it?
30:05
Yeah, yeah. So.
30:07
I should just say the illegality of it.
30:10
Yeah, so in the clips that you just saw it, the first clip,
30:12
which is some of the 11 of the more famous undercover videos,
30:16
is actually the very first video release on July 14th, 2015.
30:21
That is a business lunch meeting that I had with Doctor Deborah
30:26
Nukatola, who at the time was the senior director of medical
30:29
services for Planned Parenthood Nationwide.
30:31
So literally the top abortion Dr. over all of Planned
30:35
Parenthood, in charge of writing their medical manuals for how
30:39
you run your Planned Parenthood abortion clinic, in charge of
30:42
training for the new Planned Parenthood abortion doctors and
30:45
training for the medical students, and in charge of
30:48
research and late abortions at Planned Parenthood Los Angeles
30:53
in Southern California. And we were very fortunate to
30:58
make contact with her during the early phases of the undercover
31:02
project. And so we scheduled a, we
31:05
basically scheduled a business lunch meeting with her.
31:08
You know, my team was, was my team was posing as
31:12
representatives of a of a new startup biotech company that
31:16
wanted to come into the Planned Parenthood clinics, buy the body
31:20
parts from them, harvest them right after the abortions, they
31:23
are in the back of the clinic and then turn around and resell
31:26
them to research laboratories all over the country.
31:29
And that isn't just an idea that, you know, that I came up
31:31
with that was just modeling ourselves after many real life
31:36
startup companies that that were cropping up all in the, I mean,
31:41
around 2008, 2009, 2010. And it's actually a business
31:45
model that that even goes back a little bit further into the into
31:48
the early 1990s. But so we were basically just
31:51
trying to, you know, in order to do a very authentic and and
31:56
thorough investigation that would that would document just
32:00
like a family on the wall the way that these transactions for
32:02
aborted baby body parts actually happen.
32:05
We were just modeling ourselves after real life players in the
32:09
industry and then and then entering into those spaces so
32:15
that we could so that we could investigate exactly, exactly how
32:19
those transactions are structured and what Planned
32:21
Parenthood's attitude is towards them.
32:23
And so we had this business lunch meeting with Doctor
32:25
Nukatola, the fancy restaurant in, in the, in one of the nicer
32:30
parts of Los Angeles. And she proceeded to tell us
32:35
that that they, and she in particular, was so great at
32:39
harvesting aborted babies for research in Los Angeles because
32:44
the way that they would do it at her clinic is they would is she
32:49
would use ultrasound guidance when she was doing these late
32:51
term abortions. So she would use the ultrasound
32:54
so she would know where to put her forceps inside of the woman
32:58
so that she wouldn't crush the parts of the baby that they
33:00
wanted to harvest. And.
33:02
This is a live baby. This is a baby who's alive.
33:04
This is why the baby is still alive because they can't use a,
33:07
a fetosidal chemical like digoxin, for example, to kill
33:11
the baby ahead of time. Because then you're going to
33:13
have necrosis of all of the tissues and organs.
33:16
And it's not going to be usable for like the cell cultures or
33:19
anything else that you would want to do with it
33:20
experimentally. So this is while the baby is
33:23
still alive on ultrasound, the abortion Dr. is looking at the
33:27
baby, being careful where to put their forceps so they don't
33:30
crush the parts of the baby that they want to sell.
33:33
And then what Doctor Nuka told us they would even do.
33:35
And I remember the exact moment where I was, you know, we, we, I
33:38
think we'd ordered, I think I'd ordered a, a pasta dish or
33:41
something. And so I was sort of mid, you
33:43
know, mid fork full. And she says, you know, what you
33:46
can actually do is on ultrasound guidance, you can convert the
33:50
fetus to a breech position, which means you'll use your
33:52
forceps to flip the baby feet first and then guide and kind of
33:57
pull gently pull the baby out feet first with the forceps, a
34:02
living baby while while the baby is still alive.
34:04
And then if you do it the right way, eventually you'll be able
34:06
to get the entire head out the calvarium intact so that you can
34:10
harvest an intact brain as well. So what she walked us through
34:13
while we were having this lunch over, you know, part my, my
34:16
pasta, her salad, one or two bottles of wine.
34:20
What she walked us through in this discussion was literally
34:23
the key steps of a partial birth abortion, which is a federal
34:27
crime. And she said this is what
34:30
Planned Parenthood doctors could do regularly across the country
34:33
in order to harvest body parts for sale and for
34:36
experimentation. So that's a huge admission.
34:40
I mean, I was, I like, I, I kind of froze in the middle of it.
34:43
Like, I couldn't believe that that she was telling us this in
34:46
a public setting. Like out in the middle of this
34:48
crowded restaurant. The waiters are, like walking
34:50
around. And she's saying that like,
34:51
yeah, Planned Parenthood's MO is that when it comes to fetal
34:53
tissue research, we're just doing partial birth abortions to
34:56
give you the body parts that you want to sell you.
34:58
The body parts that you want are.
35:00
Some of these babies born alive. I think absolutely, absolutely
35:05
because, because if, if, if they are, if they're doing, if
35:10
they're delivering the baby whole and intact and the baby
35:14
hasn't been killed because they haven't used a, they haven't
35:16
used, they haven't used feticide, they haven't used
35:19
digoxin or potassium chloride or anything like that on the baby
35:22
ahead of time. So the cause of death for that
35:26
baby, for that preemie age baby, is going to be either the
35:31
neglect once they're delivered alive prematurely, or they're
35:34
going to die when their organs are cut out for experiments.
35:38
Meaning this could be a baby with his or her heart beating
35:43
who is going to be live dismembered on an operating
35:49
table with its organs removed while the baby's alive.
35:55
Yeah. Can you share what Holly
35:59
O'Donnell said about her experience?
36:04
Yeah. Yeah, So Holly.
36:06
Yeah. So Holly was, Holly is someone
36:09
who I met in late 2013. She had grown up in in
36:14
Sacramento, not too far away from where I grew up.
36:19
Holly was a, she was a procurement technician and a
36:22
phlebotomy technician for the company STEM Express, which is
36:25
one of the startup companies that that was working with
36:28
Planned Parenthood in this kind of middleman capacity across
36:31
California. And so she had started working
36:34
for STEM Express in late 2012. She was only able to do it for
36:39
less than six months because she was so horrified by what they
36:43
were doing and by what she saw when she was working in the
36:46
clinics. Everything from young couples
36:51
who were unexpectedly pregnant and were crying because they
36:54
wanted to keep the baby, but they didn't have the money and
36:57
they didn't know how and they didn't know who to talk to.
37:00
And then then then being just ushered through the Planned
37:04
Parenthood sales pitch for the abortion and then Stem Express
37:07
waiting in the back to harvest the baby's body parts.
37:10
Seeing seeing fetal tissue being taken from patients who had not
37:17
signed any consent form for it and not been informed that
37:20
that's what they were going to do.
37:22
Seeing STEM Express workers kind of coaching and working with the
37:26
abortion doctors, telling them what they needed so that they
37:28
could modify the way they did their abortions to get the body
37:31
parts that were needed to fulfill the orders.
37:34
And Holly even described a few occasions where she saw where
37:39
she saw later term babies who had been delivered mostly intact
37:44
who when they cut open the chest of the baby, the heart was still
37:48
beating. Which Holly said to you that she
37:53
herself, as this procurement technician, experienced cutting
37:58
open an aborted baby who she discovered was still alive.
38:03
She said she saw the heart still beating.
38:05
Yeah. When you were, you spent two
38:10
years documenting this undercover.
38:15
When you were doing that and you were hearing this, whether it
38:18
was in the restaurant talking with Doctor Deborah Nicotola or
38:22
you were hearing from the whistleblower, Holly O'Donnell,
38:26
what was that like for you to hear all of these admissions and
38:29
then for two years to keep it quiet?
38:32
You were gathering this evidence.
38:36
Yeah, the sorts of things that they talk about on these videos,
38:40
the sorts of things that Planned Parenthood leadership talk about
38:45
at their fancy meetings and fancy retreats that they have
38:48
for their leadership and for their abortion doctors.
38:51
They're not easy things to listen to, not in person and not
38:55
on camera afterwards. But it's also not easy.
39:00
I mean, the the realities of the way that abortion is practiced
39:03
on an industrial scale in our country is also not easy to
39:06
listen to. It's not easy to talk about,
39:08
even if it's just in in public discourse without any undercover
39:13
video. The best way that I'm able to
39:18
deal with it is to feel like I'm contributing something to the
39:23
issue and to the topic in a way that will move the ball forward
39:29
and in a way that'll change things.
39:33
It's that that's the, that's the way that I deal with it, right?
39:37
I deal with it by trying to channel the horror or the grief
39:43
and even the fear sometimes into, into constructive action
39:49
that is going to hopefully make things a little bit better.
39:53
And so that was, I don't know if you'd call it my coping that
39:57
mechanism or, or what category you would put it in.
40:00
But that's the only way that I was able to deal with it when I
40:03
was sitting there with my undercover camera on.
40:05
And I'm sitting at A at a business lunch meeting or
40:08
sitting at a in a networking meeting with Planned Parenthood
40:11
executives, and they're talking about using partial birth
40:13
abortions to harvest body parts or.
40:16
They're, you know, joking and laughing about how many body
40:20
parts they can harvest for us or what the pricing is going to be
40:23
or what the negotiation. The only way that I was able to
40:26
deal with it was by was by trying to to transmute it,
40:35
knowing that however horrific the statements are that we're
40:39
capturing, it's something that is going to expose the truth to
40:44
the entire world about the injustice of of the abortion
40:48
industry. And so the more difficult it is
40:52
the list to listen to, the more important is that we're
40:57
reporting it and the more the the more good is going to come
41:02
from that when it's when it's finally revealed publicly.
41:06
For folks listening, we just saw again very much the tip of the
41:11
iceberg what we just heard on tape.
41:13
And this content is all available of course, online your
41:17
website which we will link your YouTube channel.
41:20
Can you give us the high level overview because there is so
41:23
much you uncovered and it's not just in the business meetings
41:26
and the lunch meetings. You also met with Kate Dreyer,
41:29
who is the executive at STEM Express.
41:32
You've, you know, you didn't just investigate Planned
41:34
Parenthood, you investigated the, the businesses that Planned
41:36
Parenthood was doing business with for this illicit sale of
41:39
baby body parts. You also went undercover into
41:43
NAF, the National Abortion Federation's conferences.
41:47
So again, this is multi, multi different visits that you had,
41:53
moments that you had capturing different players.
41:56
It wasn't just Planned Parenthood.
41:57
It was the players around them. It was a system around them.
42:01
Can you share with folks listening the scope of the
42:05
investigation? And then we keep mentioning
42:08
these just unbelievably heinous acts, but there's serious legal
42:14
realities here that these were illegal things.
42:17
All of it should be illegal. Killing a baby through abortion
42:19
should be illegal, period. We are aligned on that, of
42:21
course. But there was actual federal law
42:25
that was being broken that you also captured on camera.
42:27
So give us that 100,000 foot view of the different players.
42:31
You mentioned some of this earlier, but the footage that
42:33
you have and what you'll see. So if someone were to go to your
42:35
website, YouTube channel, they will see dozens and dozens of
42:38
videos. Sure.
42:40
Walk us through some of that. Yeah, yeah.
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view to kind of back up for a second.
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So if if your viewers go to centerformedicalprogress.orgorcmp.org,
43:45
you can see the entirety of the of the footage that CMP has
43:49
released from our undercover investigation.
43:52
This was a 30 month long undercover journalism study.
43:57
So from early 2013 until the summer of 2015 when we started
44:03
releasing videos, we this was so I, I trained and LED a team of a
44:10
total of 6 undercover investigators, including myself.
44:14
We attended a total of, I want to say I think a total of 6
44:23
abortion industry trade shows or networking meetings as well as
44:30
three as as well as three separate like business meetings
44:35
that we scheduled with them like at the at the restaurants, for
44:38
example. And this and this was all done
44:41
over a period of, of 30 months. So this was, this was deep
44:44
undercover, this was getting embedded really in, in kind of
44:49
the upper echelons of the, of the networking within the
44:52
abortion industry and within the Planned Parenthood hierarchy.
44:56
So the idea of abortion trade shows, most people have never
44:59
even thought that this is something that that happens,
45:02
right. So there are commercial trade
45:03
shows for the abortion industry, sometimes sponsored by Planned
45:06
Parenthood, sometimes sponsored by the National Abortion
45:09
Federation. NAF is, is basically a proxy
45:12
group for Planned Parenthood. About 50% of their board
45:16
directors and and leadership are our Planned Parenthood officials
45:20
anyway. And Planned Parenthood maintains
45:23
a large institutional membership within NAF.
45:25
So they have kind of a, a special, a special way of, of
45:29
occupying them that's different from just like an individual
45:32
member from a, a private abortion clinic.
45:36
But so at an abortion industry trade show, you will have
45:39
exhibitors, right? You'll have vendors in an
45:41
exhibit hall and sometimes they'll be pharmaceutical
45:44
companies who are, you know, who are selling different medical
45:47
goods for the clinic to utilize. So you'll have some strange
45:51
vendors, like there's a couple of abortion artists who are sort
45:55
of like, they're just like big fans of abortion.
45:57
So they're doing like paintings and like pottery, like
46:00
celebrating abortion, like weird stuff like that.
46:04
You'll have the, you'll have the device manufacturers, like for
46:07
example, the company that manufacturers the forceps that
46:10
are used to pull the babies out in the late term abortions.
46:14
And it's, I mean, it's really, it's like something out of like
46:16
a Halloween haunted house or something.
46:19
You will have the exhibit table in the exhibit hall for the
46:23
forceps manufacturer and they will have the forceps lined up
46:26
from the smaller ones all the way up to the larger ones,
46:29
depending on the size of the baby that you need to either RIP
46:31
out or dismember using the forceps.
46:33
They have special workshops where they're teaching the
46:36
abortion doctors how to use the forceps in different ways and
46:40
make sure that you make sure that you keep them fresh and new
46:43
because eventually those teeth will get dull because they've
46:46
crushed so many bones over the years.
46:50
And then of course, at these trade shows and within the
46:52
exhibit halls, you know, they will also have the companies
46:54
that want to buy and sell the body parts from the different
46:58
abortion representatives who are there.
47:01
So that was, that was my team's primary way of entering into
47:04
these spaces to explore the marketplace for baby body parts
47:08
is by signing up as, as exhibitors.
47:10
And there was even, there was some trade shows where there
47:12
were three or four baby body parts companies in attendance.
47:15
So there was a whole theme of subtext of, of competition
47:18
between the different companies wanting to purchase body parts
47:21
and one outbid the other for access to the aborted babies at
47:26
the different Planned Parenthood clinics.
47:28
So this is all extremely illegal #1 partial birth abortion is a
47:32
federal crime on a federal level, and it has been since
47:35
2003. And sell, selling any human
47:39
organs from adults or babies or fetuses is a federal crime as
47:44
well. But it's a, there's a, there's a
47:46
particular crime to sell any human fetal tissue as well.
47:52
And and the the models according to which these sales happen can
47:58
vary from from place to place. The primary model that my team
48:02
was investigating was this sort of middleman based model where
48:05
you have a big Planned Parenthood surgical center and
48:09
then you have a middleman company like a STEM Express or a
48:13
Da Vinci Biosciences, which is a company we discovered in
48:16
Southern California that was shut down based on our work.
48:20
And then you have the middleman company coming into the Planned
48:22
Parenthood clinic, harvesting the body parts, paying Planned
48:25
Parenthood per body part, and then turning around and selling
48:28
them to their customers at university research labs, at
48:31
private pharmaceutical R&D outfits.
48:34
That's the the primary, the middleman model.
48:36
That's the one that we were primarily investigating.
48:38
But these transactions also happen where a big Planned
48:42
Parenthood center will be partnered with a local
48:45
university research lab. Is what they're doing in San
48:48
Diego that we're reporting on a lot right now with sort of an
48:50
ongoing public records and FOIA investigation that we're doing.
48:54
Where in that situation in San Diego, Planned Parenthood
48:57
actually has a contract where they say to the university
49:01
laboratory at the University of California, we will give you
49:04
access university to our proprietary aborted fetal
49:08
material. And in exchange for giving for
49:12
basically licensing our proprietary aborted babies to
49:15
you, we will get ownership of any intellectual property or
49:19
patents or patent applications that you develop experimenting
49:23
on our proprietary aborted babies.
49:25
So it's a way for Planned Parenthood to basically get a
49:27
get a cut of like the royalties afterwards from the the big
49:31
pharma R&D that these universities are partnered with
49:34
or work how? Recent is that contract.
49:36
David So that contract dates back to 2009, but the documents
49:40
that we have show that it's, it's continued in effect until
49:42
the present day that it was, it was updated the same year that I
49:46
was doing my undercover work. And then we we have emails
49:51
between university people talking about how they have to
49:53
be in compliance with the rules of IT even as recently as 20/20.
49:58
So today, 2024, we're filming this in the last month of 2024.
50:03
Are there later term babies that are being aborted or sometimes
50:08
maybe born alive and their body parts sold through Planned
50:12
Parenthood to any number of universities, research middle
50:16
groups, middle men and maybe the the profits how they receive the
50:22
money, It's going to look different.
50:23
Like you just mentioned, San Diego, the special contract, is
50:26
this happening at this time? 100% according to the documents.
50:30
This is still happening right now.
50:33
We have CMP has a has an expanding public records and
50:37
FOIA investigation that we're doing right now.
50:40
Literally yesterday I just got an e-mail from another, from
50:43
another university FOIA office producing more documents under a
50:48
request that we had submitted. That actually is very
50:51
interesting because it shows that they were, they were
50:53
actually hiding documents that they should have given to us
50:56
several months ago and they did not.
50:59
So there's a lot of, you know, there's, there's a, it's clear,
51:02
there's a lot of games being played with, with, you know,
51:05
with, with how things are categorized, what documents they
51:08
put them in, whether they're actually going to give them to
51:11
the public who request them under a, under a FOIA Act
51:14
request or to, I think even to, you know, a congressional
51:17
investigation or to a law enforcement investigation with a
51:20
subpoena. There are a lot of people who
51:22
clearly have a lot of vested interests in these transactions
51:26
and don't want the truth about them to be coming to see the
51:29
light of day. But according to the most recent
51:32
documents we have, absolutely they were doing this, as you
51:34
know, as recently as the most recent documents we have from
51:38
San Diego are from 2022. I think maybe we have a few from
51:42
2023. But the, the evidence that we
51:45
have shows this is continuing to the present day.
51:47
It hasn't stopped, you know, the, the first Trump
51:51
administration did a pretty good job of, of terminating
51:57
intramural government experimentation on aborted
52:00
babies and starting to phase out and rein in and implement much
52:05
tougher human subjects research protections for any, any, any
52:10
remaining like external, they call it extramural experimental
52:15
projects going on at, at different, different NIH funded
52:18
sites around the country. But then when Biden, Harris came
52:21
in, they've reversed all of that, and they started trying to
52:24
increase funding for experiments on aborted babies again.
52:27
So there is an actual government fund that is dispersed
52:32
specifically to pay for aborted baby body parts.
52:36
There's, there's an entire category of NIH, National
52:41
Institutes of Health grant making that has to do with
52:44
making grants with paying out for experiments on aborted baby
52:49
body parts and on aborted babies.
52:51
And those are how. Much money is that.
52:53
So that, that that number has gone up and down over the past
52:56
10 years. It's it's been back decades ago.
53:00
It was around 50 million a year. It got up to 100 million, almost
53:04
150 million a year, I think at one point towards the end of the
53:08
Obama years. I couldn't tell you where it is
53:11
exactly right now. I haven't checked for the for
53:13
the past year before I came on here.
53:15
But what's important to know about that earmark and that
53:19
particular category is those are just the grants and the projects
53:22
that the NIH themselves are willing to be 100% honest about
53:26
just that part of it and say, yes, this was a fetal, a human
53:29
fetal tissue experimental project.
53:32
And we funded it with this grant money.
53:34
There's plenty of examples that we've uncovered even just in the
53:37
past couple of years of major NIH grants going to projects
53:41
that were doing horrific, barbaric experiments on aborted
53:44
babies. And it was never categorized as
53:46
a human fetal tissue experiment in the official NIH records.
53:49
Great example of that is you know, some of your viewers may
53:52
have, may remember this from a couple of years ago at the
53:54
University of Pittsburgh, big Planned Parenthood abortion
53:57
training school, big hub for fetal experimentation going back
54:01
literally almost 100 years at this point.
54:05
At the University of Pittsburgh, they had a project that was NIH
54:08
funded. It was funded by Doctor Fauci's
54:10
NIAID office, specifically where they were taking the scalps from
54:15
5 month old aborted babies and they were grafting the scalps
54:17
onto the Lab Rats to see how long they could keep them
54:20
growing. You can see the photos in their
54:23
prestigiously published study in the Nature Scientific journal.
54:27
We can see the photos of the little baby scalps with the
54:30
little baby hairs still growing on the Lab Rats.
54:34
And this project that was funded by our federal government was
54:39
never classified as a human fetal tissue experiment.
54:42
So that grant money never would have shown up in the official
54:45
NIH category on on their website.
54:49
So the University of Pittsburgh was somehow getting 5 month old
54:54
aborted babies and they were then grafting it together, the
55:01
scalps of these babies with the the skins of rats.
55:10
I want folks to see if you're on YouTube, this is the image that
55:13
David's referring to. And I think this is the
55:17
scholarly article, right, David? Yeah, that looks like it.
55:21
Published 2020. Just a few years ago,
55:25
Development of humanized mouse and rat models with full
55:28
thickness human skin and autologous immune cells.
55:34
And so where are they getting these babies?
55:38
Yeah, so according, so according to what they publish in this
55:41
study, they say that they are, they're getting these five month
55:45
old aborted babies for their scalps.
55:47
They're getting them from the local abortion service at the
55:50
University of Pittsburgh, which is run by Planned Parenthood.
55:53
The Planned Parenthood abortion doctors in Pittsburgh, PA are
55:56
all on staff at the University of Pittsburgh.
55:58
They run the abortion services at the freestanding Planned
56:01
Parenthood in downtown Pittsburgh and at the at the
56:06
training hospital at the university as well.
56:09
They do the abortions up to about 17 weeks at the
56:12
freestanding Planned Parenthood clinic and then they go up to
56:17
six months at the University Hospital.
56:20
I've been told by people that if you call that Planned Parenthood
56:23
and you're trying to schedule a six month abortion, they'll say,
56:25
oh, great. You know, we'll, you know, we
56:27
refer you to call, you know, call this number for our offices
56:30
at the University of Pittsburgh and we'll do it there.
56:33
So it's very unmeshed. It's so it's Planned Parenthood
56:35
leadership who are involved in, in all of it.
56:38
And the, if you read the description that they give the
56:42
specifications, they talk about the size of the scalps of the
56:46
babies and not just the scalps. They talk about the scalps and
56:49
the dorsal skin. They talk about the skin off of
56:51
the backs of these five month old babies.
56:55
And when they describe the, the size of these pieces of baby
56:59
scalps and skins that they're cutting off and then stitching
57:01
on to the Lab Rats, these are big enough pieces that that
57:06
means that the heads and the backs of the babies needed to be
57:09
intact in order to in order to carve off big enough pieces like
57:13
that. So that makes me think that
57:15
these are clearly partial birth abortions as well, because in a,
57:18
in a regular dismemberment abortion, as they say, they
57:21
would probably that you would, you would crush the skull.
57:24
They would crush the baby's skull with the forceps before
57:26
bringing it out. But the size of the scalps that
57:31
they're describing, the number of inches and everything, makes
57:35
it look like they had to get it from a whole intact head of
57:38
these five month old babies. So the Planned Parenthood,
57:42
University of Pittsburgh group, let's call them that, they're
57:48
killing babies up to 24 weeks, roughly 6 months.
57:52
And they know that these babies are going to be scalloped, some
57:55
of them afterwards, or otherwise disemboweled, decapitated, cut
58:01
up for research purposes, their research purposes that, by the
58:05
way, they're getting federal funding for.
58:09
And so then they can manipulate the abortion procedure to get
58:12
the, as they call it, specimen that they want so that they can
58:16
then do human experiments on that baby that they've killed.
58:20
Yeah. Yeah, we have.
58:22
We have one of the original NIH grant applications from the
58:25
University of Pittsburgh from a couple of years ago for one of
58:28
the many fetal experimentation projects that they were doing
58:31
there. And they explicitly say it's for
58:34
the for the, this is for the Good MAP program.
58:36
They explicitly say in the Good MAP program application, which
58:40
was for harvesting late term, late term aborted baby kidneys
58:45
and other organs. They specifically say in that
58:47
grant proposal that they will use labor induction abortion as
58:50
a method of organ harvesting. And those very often result in
58:54
the live birth. Like it's you hear whistleblower
58:59
stories and I know you've talked with many of these
59:01
whistleblowers, but I'm thinking about someone like even Jill
59:04
Stanek, and this was decades ago, who talk about hospitals
59:08
where it's a routine, where they're doing abortions, they
59:11
call them, but what they really are or early deliveries of an
59:16
infant who needs medical assistance to survive.
59:20
And instead of giving the medical assistance to survive,
59:23
they'll either let them die through neglect or they may do
59:30
harvesting of that baby. And that's that could lead to
59:32
the baby's death. Yeah, this is, I mean, this is a
59:35
real and concrete double standard of the worst kind.
59:39
And it's a lethal double standard that we can identify in
59:43
multiple locations now. And, and this is something that
59:46
CMP reported on in our our most recent video report we put out
59:49
about these public records documents from the University of
59:52
California, you know, in San Diego, they're explicitly saying
59:56
in their IRB approved, you know, ethics review board approved
1:00:00
research plans that they are going to be harvesting from,
1:00:04
from viable. Healthy 6 month babies at the
1:00:09
Planned Parenthood in downtown San Diego.
1:00:11
And they say that they are, that they are using massive doses of
1:00:16
misoprostol, which is the labor induction drug that's used in,
1:00:19
in chemical abortions in, in medication abortions.
1:00:24
They're they're giving misoprostol to their patients
1:00:26
several hours before it's actually time for the abortion.
1:00:31
And so, and mizoprostyl causes, you only need about 50 to 100
1:00:36
micrograms of mizoprostyl to induce labor at term.
1:00:38
And the Planned Parenthood standard dosage is 400 to 800
1:00:41
micrograms. So you know, so they, so the
1:00:44
Planned Parenthood claims they're just using mizoprostyl
1:00:47
for so-called cervical ripening or cervical dilation to just get
1:00:51
the patients dilated enough to do the forceps abortions.
1:00:53
But in reality, mizoprostyl is a labor induction drug and they're
1:00:57
giving them massive doses of this labor induction drug for
1:01:00
several hours before the abortions.
1:01:02
Sometimes even, you know, the day before they've already been
1:01:05
using regular, regular mechanical dilators to, to, to,
1:01:09
to start the abortion process. So they're doing multi stage
1:01:12
dilation, which the Supreme Court says in its partial birth
1:01:15
abortion opinion is a is a evidentiary marker of an intent
1:01:20
to do a partial birth abortion or have an intact delivery of
1:01:23
the baby. Which are.
1:01:24
Against federal law. They're not using feticide like
1:01:27
potassium chloride or digoxin because it's a harvesting case.
1:01:31
They're explicitly saying these are viable age 23 weeks and
1:01:35
healthy non anomalous. So these are not, these are not
1:01:38
fetal anomaly cases or a baby who wouldn't live anyway or
1:01:41
something. And so they have it set up that
1:01:44
they're they're using labor induction drugs to deliver these
1:01:47
babies alive. They're of a preemie age that
1:01:49
could survive. Stanford Health says 55% of
1:01:52
babies born at 23 weeks can survive.
1:01:55
And instead of rushing them to the well equipped university
1:01:58
NICU at the University of California, they're taking them
1:02:02
to the back or taking them to the laboratory and harvesting
1:02:04
their body parts to sell for patent royalty generating
1:02:06
experiments at that same university.
1:02:08
I think this is a clear civil rights violation.
1:02:11
I think that this is a clear civil rights violation of the
1:02:14
constitutional right to life and liberty of those premature
1:02:18
babies. They have protectable
1:02:19
constitutional interests. And I look forward to seeing
1:02:23
what our newly elected constitutional government will
1:02:26
do to defend those rights, because I don't think it gets
1:02:29
much clearer than this. This is Kermit Gosnell level
1:02:32
activity that's being sponsored by our federal government right
1:02:35
now. How do we get justice for these
1:02:39
babies, David? And you were talking about the
1:02:41
University of San Diego right now, which is in the state of
1:02:44
California. We haven't even talked about
1:02:47
your experience of the law fair used against you by state
1:02:51
officials in the state. I do want to get to that before
1:02:54
we close out here because it's really an important part of the
1:02:57
story. But I know you have hope for the
1:03:00
Trump administration that it will take some righteous action.
1:03:06
I know there's a lot of concerns as well.
1:03:09
Certainly there was a lot of protection of the abortion
1:03:12
industry under the Biden Harris administration.
1:03:17
How do we the evidence is is out here.
1:03:20
You've done a great job, obviously, of exposing what's
1:03:23
happening. It's some of, it's not even
1:03:25
undercover. It's like a FOIA report showing
1:03:27
that these are the contracts that the universe of this
1:03:30
university has with Planned Parenthood.
1:03:31
I mean, this is not something that can be contested.
1:03:33
This is what's happening. What do you see the legal path
1:03:37
towards justice looking like? Let's start with that.
1:03:41
Yeah, so there's, there's a couple of things.
1:03:43
So #1 we do know that during the first Trump administration,
1:03:47
there was an extensive FBI and DOJ investigation of Planned
1:03:51
Parenthood selling, selling baby parts and and of partial birth
1:03:55
abortions used to do so. My sources told me that, that,
1:04:01
that, that all the facts from that investigation were
1:04:03
basically parked with the DOJ prosecutors as of 2019-2020.
1:04:10
And, you know, and then as we know, we all waited to see what
1:04:12
would happen. And then instead Kamala Harris
1:04:14
got in the White House and, and nothing seemed to happen from
1:04:18
that. But with the, you know, with,
1:04:20
with the new Trump administration, I'd be looking
1:04:22
for a couple of things. Number one, I'd be, we'd, I'd be
1:04:24
looking to see what happens with the original FBI investigation
1:04:28
from 2017 to 2020 number. 2, not to interrupt really quick, but
1:04:33
but you're referring to there too, Is these are federal
1:04:36
crimes? Yeah, that I believe there's
1:04:39
tremendous amounts of documentation to prove it that
1:04:41
are ongoing. It was just like it happened a
1:04:43
couple years ago, like, you know, COVID, you know, cheating
1:04:47
on COVID money or something. This is happening now.
1:04:49
It's ongoing. And the Department of Justice's
1:04:52
job is to investigate federal crimes and to charge them and
1:04:56
bring them to court and get justice for the American people.
1:05:00
That has not happened yet at all.
1:05:02
So there's that front and then you're you're going to share
1:05:04
other fronts as. Well, yeah #2 I would be looking
1:05:07
specifically at what's going on with the NIH and the University
1:05:11
of Pittsburgh because I was told by I was told by other
1:05:15
whistleblowers and other sources that the FBI was still doing in,
1:05:18
it was still doing interviews in the Pittsburgh case as recently
1:05:22
as the spring of 2020. And then we know from our FOIA
1:05:27
documentation that the HHS Office of Inspector General,
1:05:31
which is actually a full on federal law enforcement agency
1:05:34
specifically for healthcare related crime, that they had
1:05:38
opened a criminal investigation as well.
1:05:39
They'd issued subpoenas to the University of Pittsburgh
1:05:42
specifically for information about the baby parts program
1:05:45
with Planned Parenthood. There's been congressional
1:05:48
requests for oversight of that and updates on that.
1:05:50
And we haven't really heard an update there.
1:05:52
But that's the second big node that that the new incoming
1:05:56
administration can take a look at.
1:05:57
What is the current state of play there and what, you know,
1:06:00
what have they, what have they discovered so far and what has
1:06:02
maybe been held back or covered up by the previous
1:06:06
administration? And then the third big note is,
1:06:09
you know, like I said, you know, we're, we're continuing to
1:06:11
report on these issues, getting more documents, getting, you
1:06:13
know, fresher information about what some of these Planned
1:06:16
Parenthood University, NIH partnerships are doing, like in
1:06:19
San Diego and elsewhere. And our reporting on the
1:06:22
proprietary fetuses contract got Senator Marco Rubio to to, you
1:06:27
know, just a couple of months ago, send a letter requesting an
1:06:30
expanded investigation from HHSOIG and from the DOJ.
1:06:34
So the, there are a lot, there's a big fact pattern that is
1:06:38
continuing to be built. There's definitely a demand for
1:06:41
more oversight and there's plenty of of official
1:06:45
investigative work that has already been done.
1:06:47
And then there's been this weird interlude with a very, you know,
1:06:51
with a very weaponized pro abortion administration over the
1:06:54
past four years. I mean, even like even the, you
1:06:57
know, the, the weaponization of the, of, of federal law
1:07:01
enforcement against peaceful pro-life demonstrators that
1:07:04
we've seen the past several years.
1:07:05
That's not just a weaponization against the free speech of
1:07:09
pro-life advocates, but it's also a weaponization on behalf
1:07:13
of the special interests at the abortion industry and covering
1:07:16
up their crimes against women and children.
1:07:18
Because remember, those advocates were protesting
1:07:21
against infanticide at the elective third trimester
1:07:24
abortion clinics in Washington, DC.
1:07:26
We've seen, you know, the case of the justice for the five, the
1:07:29
five babies who were recovered from from the Washington Surgery
1:07:33
Center, the big third trimester clinic in Washington, DC.
1:07:38
And so the weaponization of the of the DOJ under Biden Harris,
1:07:43
that hasn't just been against our freedom to speak the truth,
1:07:47
but it's also been to cover up the truth on behalf of the
1:07:50
criminal abortion industry. So all of that needs to be
1:07:54
reversed. All of that needs to be repealed
1:07:56
and replaced, frankly, with bringing the truth to light and
1:08:00
with accountability for those who've engaged in wrongdoing.
1:08:04
And one of the, and honestly, one of the easiest and most
1:08:06
direct ways of doing that when it comes to Planned Parenthood's
1:08:09
involvement is we can we can start with defunding them.
1:08:12
I mean, you know, the criminal cases have been, you know, have
1:08:14
been investigated and are being built and.
1:08:16
It's such an insane no brainer. It's a total no brainer.
1:08:19
It's a total no brainer. So the state of Texas several
1:08:22
years ago, prompted by CMPs undercover reporting made a
1:08:27
finding that Planned Parenthood was disqualified from
1:08:32
participating in Texas Medicaid, where they were getting the
1:08:34
majority of their, of their government funding from because
1:08:38
of their violations of medical standards and ethics that were
1:08:41
clearly documented on the undercover footage.
1:08:45
And that was, that's a finding that was upheld by the federal
1:08:47
5th Circuit. And Planned Parenthood has been
1:08:49
the plan. The entire Planned Parenthood
1:08:51
network has been barred from participating in government
1:08:55
government subsidies in Texas because of, because of, because
1:08:59
of those findings. Very easy to recapitulate that
1:09:03
on a federal level. We wrote an op-ed about that in
1:09:05
National Review like 4 years ago.
1:09:08
So, you know, there's lots of, you know, I think there's lots
1:09:10
of great discussion out there right now about certainly, you
1:09:15
know, the most logical, the most immediate thing is I think the
1:09:19
new administration is going to have to roll back all the new
1:09:22
stuff that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden put in.
1:09:24
So we have to return to the baseline of what things were
1:09:27
like in 2019-2020. But even beyond that, you know,
1:09:32
we have pro-life majorities in both houses of Congress.
1:09:34
Great. We can pass defunding Planned
1:09:36
Parenthood bills. You know, there's, you know,
1:09:38
it's been done before. It can be done again.
1:09:40
We have the votes. That'll be great.
1:09:42
But to your point, that's not even necessary for a lot.
1:09:44
Of the defunding to take place, it's not even necessary.
1:09:46
Because I do think there's a little bit of hot potato that
1:09:48
happens around of friends and foes, whether they're friends or
1:09:54
foes, but just in politics where they're like, oh, that's you
1:09:57
know, that, yeah, I, I'm for defunding Planned Parenthood or
1:09:59
whatever. And then they're kind of waiting
1:10:01
for the other guy to do it. And I know you know this
1:10:03
because, you know, you're on these kind of confidential
1:10:05
lobbying calls or talking to the higher ups and then one guy
1:10:08
saying, yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.
1:10:09
But so and so needs to do X or Congress needs to pass this, or
1:10:12
we have the Senate filibuster that we can't get over.
1:10:14
So we can't really stick it into the continuing resolution.
1:10:17
You know, there's all this, like, jargon for why they can't
1:10:19
do it yet, right. Or we wait another year or wait
1:10:22
till this happens and then you can do it.
1:10:23
But can you speak to the things that President Trump and his
1:10:28
administration could do on day one for there to be at least
1:10:33
some semblance of justice for the, as you call it, industrial
1:10:37
scale slaughter that's going on? That's some of it that's legal
1:10:41
horrifically right under our horrific abortion liberal laws.
1:10:45
But some of it that is still illegal under our federal law
1:10:47
and it's still happening, like the selling of body parts.
1:10:49
Like what? What are the things that you
1:10:50
think? And I know we both have answers
1:10:52
to this, but I want to hear you because you think about this.
1:10:54
I know every day, all day, and you're you're strategizing this.
1:10:57
What are the things that President Trump and his
1:10:59
administration can do and should do on day one for there to be
1:11:02
justice? Yeah.
1:11:03
So the executive branch can defund Planned Parenthood
1:11:06
immediately, I mean. All 700.
1:11:08
Million. They don't.
1:11:10
Need to They don't need Congress.
1:11:11
No, they don't need Congress to do it.
1:11:14
You know, immediately might be a little bit of a weasel where I
1:11:16
mean, they're going to, you know, they have to write the,
1:11:17
you know, you want it to hold up in court, obviously.
1:11:19
So they're going to have to, you know, they'll have to make
1:11:21
specific findings. But there are, you know,
1:11:24
there's, there's mechanisms for doing this, whether it's through
1:11:26
the Office of Management Management and Budget in the
1:11:29
White House or whether it's through the Health and Human
1:11:31
Services secretary at HHS. There are multiple pathways
1:11:36
through through the the administrative rules and, and
1:11:39
the executive authority to to terminate Planned Parenthood's
1:11:44
government subsidies. And if if I were completely in
1:11:47
charge of it, this is kind of, you know, kind of a funny
1:11:50
hypothetical, but if, you know, if it were up to me and I could
1:11:53
wave a magic wand and have them do it however I wanted to, I
1:11:55
would probably have them do it all of the above.
1:11:57
I would build in the redundancy to all of it because I'm sure
1:12:00
Planned Parenthood's going to sue over it.
1:12:01
They're going to be very upset. They're going to try to, you
1:12:03
know, they'll probably rush into federal court in San Francisco
1:12:06
and try and like sue to get an injunction to stop the, you
1:12:09
know, to stop their federal executive defunding.
1:12:12
But I think that I think that I think they should be defunded on
1:12:15
every front on every Ave. So they, you know, the
1:12:19
administration is going to have to make fine.
1:12:21
They can do it both for, for discretionary reasons and also
1:12:24
for mandatory reasons, depending on the findings that they make
1:12:28
about the disqualification, violations of medical ethics and
1:12:32
standards, violation of the law. So there.
1:12:36
But there's, there's probably there's anywhere from I think 3
1:12:39
to 5 pathways that they could do this administratively.
1:12:43
And I think they should do all of them.
1:12:45
Along with the defund on day one or maybe day 2 or day three, but
1:12:51
the immediate defund. I'll settle for six months.
1:12:54
I want it, I want it done right, right.
1:12:56
You know, I want it to be a solid foundation that can, that
1:12:58
can stand the test of time. But yeah, I mean, I the, you
1:13:01
know, the help, I, the, the project should be starting
1:13:03
already, if it hasn't already, if it hasn't already started
1:13:06
now. So maybe it could be done on day
1:13:08
one if, you know, if other people have been thinking the
1:13:10
way that we've been thinking. And I hope they have.
1:13:13
What is your sense of confidence in the players that are involved
1:13:20
now in the second Trump administration?
1:13:23
And I'm speaking maybe specifically about RFK Junior,
1:13:28
who has been nominated to be the head of HHS.
1:13:33
And he unfortunately in the last six months, I mean, at first he
1:13:36
came out saying he supports full term abortion.
1:13:39
Then he kind of walked back a little bit, thanks, thank God.
1:13:41
And he said, OK, I support abortion before viability.
1:13:44
But he hasn't had any indication that he's a friend of pro
1:13:47
lifers. You know, there's a lot of pro
1:13:49
lifers even and certainly conservatives and Republicans
1:13:52
who are excited about his potential leadership at HHS
1:13:56
because he's, you know, the Maha thing, make America healthy
1:13:59
again. He's seem to be a fighter for
1:14:01
medical freedom, seems to be a fighter for big food, big
1:14:03
pharma. My concern is, is our cause
1:14:08
because again, we're representing babies that have 0
1:14:11
voice in this entire game that's being played out.
1:14:15
They have no voice. If they have a voice, it's us.
1:14:18
And there's no sort of skin in the game for us in terms of, you
1:14:21
know, it's not like our child is going to have healthier food if
1:14:24
you ban abortion. It's more for babies we have
1:14:27
never even met that we want to have a chance to live, right?
1:14:30
Anyways, all that to say, what is your take on who Trump wants
1:14:35
in his administration and seems to be putting in his
1:14:37
administration? Are you hopeful?
1:14:40
What do you think? Yeah, so, So unfortunately I've
1:14:43
never had a chance to meet. RFK Junior and also
1:14:47
unfortunately, he said some pretty crazy things about
1:14:49
abortion in the past. That's not a, you know, there's,
1:14:52
there's no secret about that. And you know, I don't, you know,
1:14:56
it's, it's, it's very odd when somebody says things like that.
1:15:00
But he also has, I also saw him say something that I actually
1:15:05
really appreciated the other day.
1:15:07
I saw a clip of RFK Junior say something along the lines of
1:15:10
somebody asked him very physically, you've taken all
1:15:12
these different crazy positions on abortion and contradictions
1:15:15
and where do you stand now? And it was a very kind of
1:15:19
political answer, but it was but, but, but it was kind of, it
1:15:22
was a different take on it. I hadn't heard before.
1:15:24
He said, well, he said, he said, look, he said, you know, he
1:15:26
said, I believe in choices and I believe in life.
1:15:28
He said, and I think we have too many abortions and we have a lot
1:15:31
of choices right now, but I think we need more life.
1:15:33
And I was like, all right, that's a, that's a, that's a
1:15:35
positive, you know, little spin on it.
1:15:37
But more to the point, he has said some really unfortunate and
1:15:40
really crazy things about abortion in the past.
1:15:44
He's he will be entrusted with a lot of responsibility, NIH as
1:15:47
FDA, I mean as the secretary of HHS and.
1:15:50
So I expect him to be asked. And to answer the same tough
1:15:53
questions about these very specific responsibilities that
1:15:58
an HHS secretary will have that we would expect for any nominee.
1:16:03
So, you know, so he's, you know, at HHS, he will be in charge of
1:16:06
the the Office of Civil Rights. That has to do with, you know,
1:16:10
if a baby is born alive in a federally funded abortion clinic
1:16:14
somewhere in the country and that baby is either left to die
1:16:18
and neglected or the baby is killed for organ harvesting and
1:16:21
the baby is 23 weeks and healthy.
1:16:23
Like they're saying in San Diego, those civil rights are
1:16:28
being violated of that born alive infant.
1:16:30
It's RF, KS, HHS that is going to have the responsibility of
1:16:33
enforcing those civil rights and protecting those civil rights.
1:16:35
So I want to hear his answer in his confirmation hearings about
1:16:39
what is he going to do to protect the civil rights of
1:16:42
those six month babies who are being born alive in taxpayer
1:16:45
funded abortion clinics And instead of being rushed to the
1:16:48
NICU, they're being harvested for government funded
1:16:51
experiments. I want to hear his answer about
1:16:54
what they're going to do about the massive government subsidies
1:16:57
that are going to pharmaceutical and university R&D labs to
1:17:00
experiment with aborted baby body parts and develop, you
1:17:04
know, commercial applications that maybe are not really making
1:17:08
America healthy again, Right. I think that he should be asked
1:17:12
all of these tough questions. I think that I think that the
1:17:15
answers are pretty obvious that he or anybody in that position
1:17:20
should, should give on them. And I don't think they're
1:17:22
difficult answers. You know, I'm, I am, you know, I
1:17:26
am, and this might be dangerous. I don't know.
1:17:28
I am personally OK with somebody having a a policy disagreement
1:17:33
with me when it comes to what the correct local state criminal
1:17:38
abortion law should be. So long as in their capacity as
1:17:43
a as an officer of a federal agency, they're going to enforce
1:17:48
the federal law correctly that they actually have authority
1:17:51
over. And RFK as HHS Secretary will
1:17:55
have authority over what what OCR is doing when it comes to
1:17:58
the civil rights of born alive infants.
1:18:00
What NIH is doing when it comes to grotesque and illegal
1:18:03
experiments on aborted babies. So, so those those are the
1:18:06
standards that I think those standards should be really
1:18:09
clearly articulated. And I want to see him and
1:18:11
everyone at HHS held to account to those standards.
1:18:15
You know, there was some there was some some positive
1:18:18
information coming out on Twitter earlier this morning
1:18:20
that I saw that I guess he met with Senator Tim Scott and
1:18:24
there's had some positive discussions about defunding
1:18:26
Planned Parenthood because that's another number.
1:18:29
And I know plenty of people who are basically pro-choice on a
1:18:33
policy level, but who still think that it's crazy that you
1:18:36
would have taxpayers funding, funding the abortion industry.
1:18:39
So that seems like a pretty obvious, like a pretty obvious
1:18:43
middle ground. We've been, it's been, it's been
1:18:46
signaled from the from the guys in charge of Doge, Vivek
1:18:51
Ramaswamy and and Elon Musk that Planned Parenthood funding is in
1:18:55
the crosshairs for seeking government efficiency and really
1:18:58
paring down what we're demanding taxpayers to subsidize.
1:19:02
So, so I think all of that is positive.
1:19:05
You know, I certainly, you know, wouldn't wait around for, you
1:19:07
know, for something to happen through, through, you know,
1:19:10
through a new committee that's going to be set up in the
1:19:12
future. That might take some time.
1:19:13
Like I said, all this can be done on day one or very shortly
1:19:16
thereafter. But I just think, yeah, when it
1:19:19
comes to, you know, when it comes to when it comes to what
1:19:22
happens at HHS and with RFKI, just I think that I think that
1:19:25
the standard that has been set by President Trump's record and
1:19:31
I think the standard that is set by by the by the rules and by
1:19:36
our Constitution and by our values that we want HHS to be
1:19:40
standing up for, I think that's pretty clear.
1:19:42
And so that those are the standards that I would hold them
1:19:44
to and that I look forward to hearing his answers on.
1:19:48
I think that's a measured analysis.
1:19:50
I'm hopeful that that in the confirmation proceedings that
1:19:55
will happen that he will get asked the right questions and
1:19:58
they're not even tough questions.
1:19:59
To your point, this is not something that should be
1:20:01
controversial or really difficult.
1:20:03
This is a no brainer Department of Justice.
1:20:06
I also think it's a no brainer that.
1:20:09
You know, the same zeal and passion that the Biden Harris
1:20:11
administration directed against pro-life activists, dredging up
1:20:15
these charges that were I think in the end of the day,
1:20:18
completely unfair, throwing them in federal prison.
1:20:21
There's 11 activists in prison right now, including 76 year old
1:20:24
grandmother Joan Bell, including 33 year old Bevel and Beatty,
1:20:28
mother of a 2 year old for you know, again, activism outside of
1:20:30
Planned Parenthood. Anyways, they used so much deal
1:20:32
and passion to throw pro-life activists in jail.
1:20:34
I'd like to see a little bit of energy in the new Department of
1:20:37
Justice under the Trump administration to 1st undo that
1:20:41
those that heinous miscarriage of justice to put these
1:20:44
activists in jail part in them is what I'm saying.
1:20:46
But then also use do your job as a DOJ.
1:20:50
Federal crimes are being committed against our youngest
1:20:52
Americans in the sale of baby body parts.
1:20:54
Why? Where is the DOJ on this?
1:20:56
You're in your evidence, David has been out there since 2015.
1:20:59
And it's again, it's on. There's more evidence that keeps
1:21:02
on coming out. Absolutely, yeah.
1:21:04
Absolutely, the DOJ should do its job.
1:21:06
And are you excited about Harmeet Dhillon, who has been an
1:21:09
attorney for both of us, A pro-life?
1:21:10
Advocate who is now going to have a a, a a role of leadership
1:21:15
in the Trump administration. What's her exact title?
1:21:17
Actually, Yeah, Harmeet will be Harmeet will be the be the
1:21:20
assistant attorney. General for civil rights it's a
1:21:23
big job it's a. Very big job.
1:21:25
It's a very big job, it's a very important job.
1:21:26
Harmeet. Is incredibly smart.
1:21:29
I mean, she's, she's smart as a whip.
1:21:31
She runs one of the tightest ships I've ever seen of any, any
1:21:35
organization, any law office. I mean, she, the amount of
1:21:38
information that she can process continuously and act on really
1:21:43
efficiently really quickly is really amazing.
1:21:45
I mean, it's very special. There aren't a lot of people out
1:21:47
there. Is she the one do you think to
1:21:50
galvanized this? At the DOJ, the prosecution of
1:21:54
Planned Parenthood. Well, I don't want to.
1:21:56
I don't want to sing she the chosen 1 can be, you know that.
1:21:58
Can be held against, you know, Held, held against.
1:22:01
Any of us in the. Future, I don't want to
1:22:02
prejudice anything that you know, that anybody at DOJ might
1:22:05
do in the in the near future. But I mean, I have a lot of
1:22:09
confidence in, in the incoming Attorney General, Pam Bondi, as
1:22:14
well as in the incoming assistant AG Dylan.
1:22:18
I think that they're extremely qualified.
1:22:20
I think that I think that President Trump is Trump has
1:22:23
chosen well with them. And, and you know, I would, I
1:22:28
would much rather be us than them when it comes to Planned
1:22:31
Parenthood at this point, you know, between, between, between
1:22:34
US and the and, and the people who kill babies for a living.
1:22:37
I would much rather be us than them right now.
1:22:39
David, before we wrap, there's one thing that we haven't even
1:22:42
touched on. There's so.
1:22:43
Much to explore here and we've got to have you back on the
1:22:45
podcast to do this again. But we haven't even touched on
1:22:49
the law fair that you endured because of your investigation,
1:22:53
your ongoing investigation. My guess would be you have spent
1:22:57
thousands of hours now over the past few years, not only in
1:23:01
court, but dealing with lawyers, dealing with depositions like
1:23:04
you were saying, early, preparing for depositions,
1:23:08
handling these arrows that are being fiery arrows that are
1:23:12
being constantly hurled at you legally by Planned Parenthood
1:23:16
and by government officials. It's not just Planned
1:23:19
Parenthood. I mean, they're basically a
1:23:20
government entity at this point with all the taxpayer money they
1:23:23
get in the protection they get, but by our own state, by
1:23:26
California. So you have been at the
1:23:29
receiving end of criminal prosecution and civil preceding
1:23:34
lawsuits against yourself and against your organization and
1:23:37
those involved in your work. Can you share?
1:23:39
I mean, that that could be its own episode.
1:23:41
We could go into it. I know it's a, it's a long
1:23:43
Horror Story, but again, thousands of hours of your life
1:23:47
have been and millions of dollars too at stake.
1:23:50
It's not just your life. It's your, it's any resources
1:23:53
that you have, any, you know, control over.
1:23:56
They're trying to bankrupt CMP. They're trying to bankrupt you
1:23:59
and they're also trying to throw you in jail.
1:24:00
They hate you. So can you share just for folks
1:24:03
listening, this the state of the criminal and the civil
1:24:06
proceedings against you. What's up?
1:24:08
And like for you, you know, it's again, a huge, yeah, it's a huge
1:24:12
can of worms. Huge, huge topic, huge can of
1:24:14
worms. But.
1:24:16
I mean, but you said it very well.
1:24:17
I mean, and you know, in some, in some ways, the process is the
1:24:21
punishment when it comes to this kind of law.
1:24:23
Fair, right? Yeah.
1:24:24
It's you know they can punish you without even putting you in
1:24:26
jail. Because the the.
1:24:27
Point is, yeah, to SAP your time, SAP your resources, SAP
1:24:30
your attention, that's been the biggest thing.
1:24:33
And you know, there have been, you know, there's certainly been
1:24:36
some blessings along the way, right, that we were able to, you
1:24:38
know, because Planned Parenthood sued me and Center for Medical
1:24:42
Progress and my colleagues in their lawsuit, we were able to
1:24:45
put their top abortion doctors on video camera underoath in
1:24:49
sworn depositions where they had to raise their hands and swear
1:24:52
underoath that they actually were selling baby body parts,
1:24:56
that they had committed partial birth abortions.
1:24:58
We, we had some of them admitting that they've actually
1:25:00
had born alive infant cases before in their clinics.
1:25:05
Oh, and we got, and we got some of them to admit that they had
1:25:07
lied to Congress too, that they had, you know, some of the
1:25:09
information that they had provided to some of the
1:25:10
congressional investigations and other things are actually not,
1:25:13
not, not correct on several material issues.
1:25:17
So, so there's been, you know, there's, there's been, there's
1:25:20
been costs and benefits for sure.
1:25:23
But but it, you know, that has been one of the, one of the most
1:25:27
difficult parts for me about dealing with the law fair and
1:25:30
the persecution. And you know what they, you
1:25:33
know, as, as they call it, it is the, the, the redirection or
1:25:37
sort of the misdirection sometimes of your focus and your
1:25:40
attention. Because I can, you know, I, I
1:25:45
can't handle a lot of the pressure and a lot of the, you
1:25:48
know, the, the, the particular, yeah, the persecutory kind of
1:25:52
elements of it. But when you, when, you know,
1:25:55
when I feel like my time isn't being used well, or when I feel
1:25:59
like I'm, I'm being diverted or distracted from where the real
1:26:02
battle is, that's something that's really difficult for me.
1:26:05
That's the sort of thing that keeps me up being put in jail.
1:26:08
Yeah, I know, I know. It's like you're like having.
1:26:10
Your mind put in jail. Your mind put in jail?
1:26:12
Yeah. You're still obviously
1:26:15
investigating Planned Parenthood, You're still
1:26:16
producing reports. You're still I just I just got
1:26:20
AI just got a response to a FOIA request just yesterday that was.
1:26:22
Very interesting about what it what it admitted they've been
1:26:25
hiding from us. Can you share for folks
1:26:28
listening just so that they know what you can share anyways
1:26:30
about? The status of the criminal
1:26:34
proceedings against you And just quick flashback for people, if
1:26:37
they didn't already know, it was referenced very briefly earlier,
1:26:40
but you actually endured state, federal, state California agents
1:26:44
raiding your home after CMP's investigation was released,
1:26:50
showing up to steal your laptops and Planned Parenthood put then
1:26:56
Kamala Harris as the attorney general, then attorney general
1:26:59
up to this. She was getting money from
1:27:01
Planned Parenthood for her Senate campaign.
1:27:03
I mean, this is so wild that this is the America we're living
1:27:06
in. But you know, she's going to be
1:27:08
a private citizen. You should have her on the
1:27:10
podcast next and would love to interview Kamala.
1:27:12
Harris, but she was the attorney.
1:27:14
General, she sent state agents at the request of Planned
1:27:17
Parenthood to steal your footage.
1:27:20
I mean, it, it's, it's wild. And then obviously Xavier
1:27:23
Becerra after she goes off to be the senator, you know, she's
1:27:26
chasing her star, her career. And now he's like just grinding
1:27:30
you down, trying to put you, you know, literally.
1:27:32
And the, and the statue, it was just, it's so incredible because
1:27:34
I've done undercover work. You know, we've obviously done
1:27:37
this together in the past. And California has not
1:27:41
prosecuted undercover journalists before, correct?
1:27:45
You can go undercover. You can go undercover.
1:27:49
In California in a chiropractor's.
1:27:50
Office you can go. Undercover and investigate, you
1:27:53
know, marijuana dispensers, whatever you can investigate
1:27:56
anything you want to in California and even do some
1:27:58
undercover journalism. But if you're a pro-life
1:28:01
activist and you try straight to jail, as they say in that, you
1:28:05
know, that that clip. So and again, you and also what
1:28:09
you did, you recorded in public places.
1:28:12
So it's not like even their argument against you.
1:28:13
It's not like you were sitting in their living room or, you
1:28:16
know, eavesdropping, putting a camera inside Deborah Nicotola's
1:28:19
like, you know, mobile home or something.
1:28:20
That wasn't what happened. So, yeah.
1:28:23
What's the status of the criminal proceedings for folks
1:28:25
to know? And also how can people support
1:28:28
you because you're you're such a a hero and a pioneer here.
1:28:30
Thank you. Thank you.
1:28:32
So, yeah. So so to get the real like.
1:28:34
Cliff Notes version. So, you know, back in 2015 when
1:28:38
CMP first started releasing the undercover video series, at that
1:28:42
time the Attorney general of California was Kamala Harris,
1:28:46
who had been put in that position with extreme support
1:28:49
from Planned Parenthood. She was extremely close with
1:28:51
them. She was an operative for them
1:28:52
already, basically. That's like the one thing I'm
1:28:55
sorry to keep in her, but it's amazing that even on the
1:28:57
campaign. Trail abortion seemed to be the
1:28:59
thing that animated her the most.
1:29:01
She talked about abortion the most.
1:29:02
She seemed the most sincere and authentic when she would talk
1:29:04
about abortion. It was the thing that seemed the
1:29:07
single focus that was most animating for her campaign and
1:29:10
for her personally. And that was very chilling to
1:29:12
watch. Yeah, Yeah.
1:29:13
You know, I've never, I've never met her in person before.
1:29:18
But there is there is a sort of, there's kind of a vibe that you
1:29:22
feel from people who are heavily involved in primarily the
1:29:26
abortion doctors, but also some of their very heavily involved
1:29:29
executives. There's definitely like a
1:29:32
certain vibe you get when you're when you're spending time with
1:29:35
them, which I've done a lot recently or recently that I did
1:29:38
a lot during the undercover work.
1:29:40
And, and it wasn't until it wasn't until we saw so much of
1:29:44
Kamala Harris on the campaign trail over the past several
1:29:46
months. And you see that animation that
1:29:48
she has when it comes to like, like, all of a sudden we're
1:29:51
talking when we're talking about killing babies, That's when she
1:29:54
gets focused. She's on.
1:29:56
And she has so much to say. She doesn't need a script
1:29:58
anymore. Yeah, it's, it's it's scary.
1:30:01
A little bit, but it's but it, you know.
1:30:02
But it's actually, but it, but it reminds me of the Planned
1:30:05
Parenthood executives that I, that I met.
1:30:08
So, you know, some people say she might go and become the head
1:30:11
of Planned Parenthood. Now, you know, she might be well
1:30:13
suited to it actually. But anyway, so, so as attorney
1:30:16
general in 2015, Kamala Harris had a choice when these videos
1:30:21
were being published. She could investigate the
1:30:24
taxpayer funded abortion factories all across this state
1:30:28
that were involved in harvesting and selling baby body parts from
1:30:31
late term partial birth abortions for profit.
1:30:34
Or she could come after the whistleblowers at the behest of
1:30:37
Planned Parenthood. And she chose the latter.
1:30:40
And I mean, the more information that we are uncovering, the more
1:30:43
that we're releasing and reporting on, I just think it
1:30:45
becomes very clear. Like she either either Kamala
1:30:48
Harris or those advising her knew how deep the rabbit hole
1:30:52
went when it came to selling baby body parts in California.
1:30:56
Because they did not want this stuff about like the proprietary
1:30:59
fetuses deal in San Diego or the the massive use of misoprostral
1:31:04
across the board for inducing labor to deliver the babies or
1:31:08
any of that to come out in the wake, in the wake of these
1:31:11
videos. And so at at Planned Parenthood
1:31:14
specific request, she approved a raid on my one bedroom
1:31:19
apartment. This was in April of 2016.
1:31:23
There were 11 California DOJ agents who came filing out of a
1:31:27
big white windowless van. It was almost like a dystopian
1:31:30
kind of clown. What were you doing when that
1:31:32
happened? I was I was making lunch at the
1:31:34
time. They broad.
1:31:36
Daylight. It was.
1:31:37
It was in broad daylight. You know they did, actually.
1:31:39
There was a there. This was what are you having for
1:31:42
lunch that day? I was making chicken in my.
1:31:45
Grandmother's recipe. And there because I'm so I'm
1:31:50
such a danger to the state, right?
1:31:52
I know we're laughing, but it's so crazy.
1:31:54
You have to laugh, otherwise you're going to.
1:31:56
Cry, but they so. This was they, they'd actually,
1:32:00
they had, I think they had tried to knock on my door like early
1:32:02
in the morning, at like 7:00 in the morning or something.
1:32:04
I'd just gotten back from traveling, so I was tired.
1:32:06
I was sleeping in that day. So they, I guess that was like
1:32:10
the one nice thing they did for me.
1:32:11
They didn't like bust down the door at 7:00 in the morning.
1:32:13
They waited until they saw signs of life or something later.
1:32:17
So. So these 11 California DOJ
1:32:20
agents file out of this white windowless van.
1:32:22
It was like a dystopian clown car.
1:32:25
Some of them had had, like the canine dogs with them.
1:32:28
Some of them had assault rifles. All 11 of them didn't even fit
1:32:33
in the apartment, it was that small.
1:32:35
So like 5 of them went inside and were just like trashing the
1:32:38
entire place, overturning boxes, like pulling things out of
1:32:40
drawers. So they were rifling through
1:32:42
your personal, through everything but the entire, the
1:32:44
entire. Premises and then the other 6.
1:32:46
Of them were positioned around the perimeter outside with their
1:32:49
dogs and their rifles. What were you doing while they
1:32:51
were rifling through your pants drawer?
1:32:54
Like trying trying to call my lawyers your chickens.
1:32:57
Burning you're like which at first, which at first I mean,
1:33:00
I'd finished. The I'd finished making lunch,
1:33:02
which was good. There's still like half an onion
1:33:04
like sitting on the on the counter as these DOJ guys would
1:33:08
like, like their boots are like traipsing through the apartment.
1:33:12
There is some video of it. I was able to set up my, my
1:33:16
before they seized the laptop. I was able to set up the photo
1:33:18
booth on it to like take a video of what they were doing in the
1:33:21
living room. So that's some, that's some
1:33:23
interesting historical footage that we have now for all
1:33:26
posterity. So so Kamala Harris approved
1:33:29
that rate. It was the beginning of the
1:33:31
first criminal action that the state of California has ever
1:33:34
taken under its very unusual video recording law towards
1:33:40
towards towards an undercover journalist ever in the 70 year
1:33:43
history of that law. So that's been really extreme
1:33:47
ongoing law fair for the past eight years.
1:33:50
We've gone through like 6 different prosecutors in that
1:33:53
case. They keep on like dropping off
1:33:55
of it and they've gone through three different passing.
1:33:58
They're just, yeah, it's a terrible case against.
1:34:01
You it's a. It's a terrible case.
1:34:02
But they won't drop it. They haven't dropped it yet,
1:34:04
they're still refusing. To drop it.
1:34:06
All of the deadlines have. Been pushed back by about 5
1:34:09
months now. In that six months now, I think
1:34:11
in that case there is a lot of, I mean there's a lot of legal
1:34:15
uncertainty surrounding both. I mean, certainly the practice
1:34:19
of undercover reporting right now because of all the law fair,
1:34:21
but there's also a lot of legal uncertainty around these state
1:34:23
video recording laws. Now.
1:34:25
I mean, there's a, there's a big case with the full 9th Circuit
1:34:29
right now about the constitutionality of these video
1:34:32
recording laws that purport to place these restrictions on
1:34:36
recording conversations that you are part of in places that are
1:34:39
accessible to the public. So, you know, we don't know when
1:34:43
they're going to rule them and all that's going to come down.
1:34:45
But, but, but there does seem to be a trajectory and 1st
1:34:50
Amendment law right now that that increasingly it's being
1:34:53
recognized that you have an absolute First Amendment right
1:34:56
to record a conversation that you're part of in a public area.
1:35:00
So that's a good sign and that's a good thing.
1:35:03
But you know, and I'm very hopeful where things will go
1:35:06
over the next couple of years, of course, with, you know, with
1:35:10
with a renewed focus on that kind of freedom of speech and
1:35:13
anti anti cancelling, anti weaponization, anti law fair and
1:35:18
the new administration. So I'm hopeful about that.
1:35:20
But but it's been quite a saga and it's all, you know, there's
1:35:23
a there's a lot that's sort of up in the air right now.
1:35:26
So we'll definitely have to update you in the near future as
1:35:29
as more things become clearer. David, you're amazing.
1:35:33
Thank you for your sacrifices. And your relentless focus on
1:35:39
exposing the greatest human rights abuse of our time.
1:35:42
How can people follow you and support your work?
1:35:45
Sure. So you can support Center for
1:35:46
Medical Progress on our website at.
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Www.centerformedicalprogress.orgorcmp.org you can follow me.
1:35:54
I'm most active on Twitter X these days at David Daleiden.
1:35:59
That's D as in David ALEID, as in David EN all one word, no
1:36:04
dots or funny characters. But you know, I've, I've been
1:36:09
really blessed to have the support of a large swath of the
1:36:13
public, you know, Americans from every walk of life.
1:36:17
And also just the the support and encouragement of a lot of
1:36:20
really unlikely heroes who have sort of come alongside me along
1:36:24
the way over over many years in different capacities.
1:36:26
So, you know, we're all in this together and we have, I think so
1:36:31
many opportunities looking at the next couple of years here.
1:36:34
You know, there are babies who are being born today because Roe
1:36:38
V. Wade was overturned a couple of
1:36:39
years ago. You know, it's like that.
1:36:41
It's like that old, it's like that old proverb, if, if you
1:36:44
save one life, it's as if you save the entire world, right?
1:36:46
Like we can't really place a value on a human being.
1:36:50
We can't, we can't place a price tag on a human being, right?
1:36:53
Like that's that's something of infinite value.
1:36:56
So, you know, there's a there's a lot of reasons to to to be, to
1:37:00
be hopeful right now. Amen.
1:37:02
Thank you so much, David. Thank you.
1:37:04
Thanks so much. For listening to this episode of
1:37:06
The Lila Rose Show with David Delighted.
1:37:09
I hope that it was illuminating for folks listening.
1:37:12
I know a lot of you are already passionate about the pro-life
1:37:15
cause, or maybe you're getting familiar with it for the first
1:37:17
time. You have your own journey that
1:37:19
you are walking in your discovery of what all of this
1:37:22
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1:37:24
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1:37:37
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1:37:39
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1:37:43
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