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up? What's up? Padley. Sorry, I had to throw
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that in there. Padley? No, I could never reduce
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myself to being British. I'd rather reduce myself
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to being British than reducing myself to Shakur
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food. Yeah. which is this that's these both so
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that's the difference yeah what's the difference
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yeah uh so on thursday april 10th fucking eye
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of the tiger that is how we are dipping down
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to the bottom of the barrel here um yeah i we're
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like in great depression times yeah this is rough
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boxing got tariff this week uh dimitri asanao
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gets a ud over francesco Fun. It's awesome. There's
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a lot of other stuff on it that I just cannot.
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CBA. That's going to be a 10 -minute podcast.
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Yeah. Break open that emergency. 40 minutes of
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ads, 20 minutes of talking. Oh, shit. 10 of those
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minutes are about with Josh Padley. I'm sorry.
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Yeah, I didn't. God, as much as I love these
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weird Canadian cards, I did not watch this one.
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You know what? I didn't get a chance to see that
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I was kind of hoping to see. Brian Mendoza and
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Shane Mosley Jr., they were on that card that
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was in Albuquerque, that Marv Nation that had
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Rampage Jackson as the headliner. And Rashad
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Evans. Yeah, they were boxing their first time.
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Oh, here's something for the Canadian card that
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didn't happen. Wyatt Sanford was supposed to
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make his pro debut against some guy, but it got
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delayed. It got delayed. The TBA, or I guess
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Sean Archer now. Oh, how fun. Yeah. So Shea Mosley
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Jr. won, right? I cannot find results. It's Marv
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Nation, man. Takes a bit. The Thunder Studios
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cards are usually better about it. Hey, but 15
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,000 tickets were sold. Damn, that's probably
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more than this matchup place. BoxRec can confirm.
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It's either 15 or 15 ,000. If you look at the
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BoxRec page for Shane Mosley Jr. It could be
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either. It could be either. Yeah, I choose to
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believe that. At The Pit, Albuquerque. That's
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the only reason I even got this on my radar was
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because of the name The Pit. It sounds either
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very good or very bad. Fernando Vargas Jr. was
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also on there. I don't even know if he won. No
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results at all. Yeah, no results. Just the ticket
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sales. They sold 15 tickets. Or 15 ,000. That
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would make me sad if they only sold 15. Shane
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Mosley Jr. was on the undercard. He's the golden
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boy, right? Yes. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, bye. Man, poor
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Brian Mendoza on this card, though. What a fall
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from grace. Well, like, he killed Fundora and
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then immediately got fed the Sioux and Bo -Chuck.
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And then Mendoza ate a bee. That's an emote in
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the Discord. Yeah. His swollen -ass face. Oh,
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yeah. So, Virgil Ortiz is better than Alton?
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Yeah. Seems to be. The triangle theory way? Yeah,
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because Boachuk beat Mendoza, and Mendoza beat
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the fuck out of Andorra. So, Virgil's better
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than all of them, which means Virgil should be
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out of speed. He's robbed. Hold on. Bokrum is
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still out here. Yeah, that's true. Demon mode.
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Virgil is undisputed in our hearts. True. He's
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undisputed in my heart. Slightly disputed. Gabriella
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Fundora is in there for you, Alex. That's right.
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No, no. is podcast and pro box are my heart yeah
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pro box is the undisputed champ of my heart let's
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move it to boardwalk hall geron ennis what fucking
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let me get some stuff he's him he's him uh chakram
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ghiasov ko4 over franco ocampo um very good to
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watch considering the What happened? Yeah. Congratulations.
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Amari Jones, KO1 over William Jackson. The hype
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train continues to build up steam. Oh, yeah.
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Not sure if I could say the same here. Ray Ford,
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UD over Thomas Matisse. He was very good. He
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was very good that night. It's just the guy doesn't
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have a lot of power. You know, that's what I
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was going to say is like I was this is he had
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the kind of performance that you would expect,
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but it didn't end the way that it should when
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you're fighting guys like this. The thing is
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that Ray Ford is again, he doesn't have any power.
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So, I mean, what can you really expect from the
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guy? Right, right. So he's going to outbox the
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hell out of him. He's not going to beat him.
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Shit. As long as he's realistic with himself
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and doesn't talk promise. Especially in the awake
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class. Right. Yeah. Promise like fucking earthquake
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shattering knockouts. Don't do that. He's not
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even on his bike either. He does box. He just
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has no power. Which I like about Ray Ford. I
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do think Ray Ford is a pretty entertaining fighter.
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The guy doesn't have a lot of power. You know,
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I like watching his skill a lot. You know? He's
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like Oscar Valdez. Yeah. Well, no, I think he's
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a lot better than Oscar Valdez. Yeah, he's more
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technically skilled than Valdez. But Valdez gets
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hit, and that makes it exciting in a way. It
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makes it exciting. We'll get to that later. Yeah.
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Ennis takes a Monta Stanionis' WBA title, his
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O. And his girl. I don't know about that one.
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I was an early adopter of Boots. I wasn't impressed
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by his performance at all. Really? Is what I
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would say if it was opposite day. You fucking
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got me. You got me, bro. That was a damn good
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performance from Boots. I was stunned. I was
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shocked. And honestly, like... I forgot what
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I said last podcast about Boots. You see why
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Cody Crowley doubted him. Oh, yeah, for sure.
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But last podcast, I remember if I was saying
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that, like, I knew Boots was going to win, of
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course, but I honestly was surprised he won that
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fashion that quick. Well, Karen, like, Chikudzian
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is such a negative opponent. He's so negative.
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Black hole of excitement. Yeah, like, I feel
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like anyone could fight him and look bad, and
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it doesn't mean it would be close either. Like
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a Sandler Martin type fighter? More or less,
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yeah. Like, he's just so negative that, like,
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whenever he tried to open up with boots, he got
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hurt. He even got dropped in the second fight.
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It's just, he said, like, some people, like,
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just don't grasp that, where, like, the Avenisian
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performance where he just beat the shit out of
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this poor guy. The thing about the Avenisian
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performance is that I don't even remember that.
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The only reason why I remember that performance
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is because of what day it was. That was... You
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guys remember that day? Yeah. That day was crazy,
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huh? I feel like the... You don't remember? What
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was on that day? The assassination attempt? Oh,
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yeah, fuck. Yeah, that was insane. I was working.
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I was like, what the fuck? Oh, I took my 30 and
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one of my coworkers was like, yo, someone just
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shot Trump. And I'm just like, what? Well, maybe
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we shouldn't say that on the air. Nah, it's fine.
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I can cut it. It's a thing that happened. We're
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about to get deported. speak for yourselves.
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We could cut that one out. I feel like the though
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like I feel like the performance like everyone
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should have like in terms of higher tier opponents
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was the Lipnets one. Yeah. Just an ass beating
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against a very similar opponent to Stanionis.
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The thing with this fight again I praise Boots.
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I'm not going to take this win away from him
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at all. He was amazing that night. Like, he looked...
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I don't want to glaze a lot. Go ahead and glaze,
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man. He looked phenomenal. He looked phenomenal,
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no doubt about it. Leo, you remember that other
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day I was arguing with Jacob? That other guy
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in the server? Yes, I think so. And he was like...
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Because he's a Boots Glazer, right? And the thing
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is that... The thing that pissed me off, not
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pissed me off, because I wasn't mad, but it's
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just that guy couldn't understand that Boots
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has his flaws. And in this fight, I still saw
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those flaws, but I don't really think that Staniotis
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wasn't really taking advantage of him as much
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as he could have. You know what I mean? Like,
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the whole standing in the pocket shit, he kind
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of was doing that this time around. Not as often
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as he did last fight. But he still would stand
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straight and wouldn't move around a lot. You
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know what I mean? Oh, yeah. In some aspects of
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the fight. And the thing is that if Stan Jonas,
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I think if Stan Jonas threw more, and he would
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have, because Stan Jonas was catching boots a
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lot. I mean, his accuracy was pretty good. You
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know what I mean? It's just that if he threw
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more, I think he could have done a little more
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damage. The fight could have gone on a lot longer.
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But that should be. That should be. Part of it
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is that Boots isn't just his flashy aspects.
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He's mean. He's got a chin on him. He's aggressive.
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The guy's aggressive. He's mean. He has a chin.
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He can take the shot. We'll see about that in
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the future. I really don't think it was tested
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too much this fight. I don't think so either.
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You know, I think... if Stanios caught him really
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well, because Stanios did catch him, but he caught
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him mainly with jabs and straight crosses, you
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know? But he didn't catch him with a good, really
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good hook, you know? Yeah. I need to see Boots
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take a hook straight to the face from a good
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power puncher to see how much he has. You know
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what I mean? That's part of it, though. I don't
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think he's ever going to take, like, a huge,
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huge shot. Like, he's leaky, but it's the...
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I feel like it's a similar... I've described
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Tank this way, too, in the past, where you are
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susceptible to a lot of pity -pat shots leaking
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through, but you're aware enough to not get caught
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by something huge. With Tank, I would disagree,
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but we'll talk about that today. I think Keisha
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would catch him pretty well. Yeah. No, I mean,
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obviously, I was proven wrong. rather recently
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with tank but in terms of like boots i feel like
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it's the same principle where like that me he'd
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rather he won't compromise in his offense to
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deal with shots that he doesn't deem worth uh
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dealing with yeah because it's a lot of pity
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pat stuff but as soon as like he gets winged
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with a big shot you can see he's on his game
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defensively Go on. You need someone sneaky. Someone
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sneaky? It's got to be someone sneaky who can
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actually get to him. Which, weirdly enough, a
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fight with Crawford would probably be the most
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fun thing. Because Crawford is sneaky like that.
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Sneaky like that. With Crawford, that would have
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been a great fight, but that's never going to
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happen. No, it's not going to happen. But you
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see what I mean about how Crawford's crafty enough
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to slip in a hard shot instead of making it obvious.
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You see, the thing is, I think the best fight
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to make right now, I mean, what's currently standing
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is a Norman fight, a unification with Norman.
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With Brian Norman, yeah. Because going up, there's
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nobody that he can fight. If he sees that match
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room, There's nobody that he can fight at 154.
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That's worth of shit. At 147, though, I mean,
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Norman is probably more likely to get a fight
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than any of the PBC guys. He's definitely going
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to own Norman. Yeah, everything that Norman does.
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The only thing I would give Norman over boots
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would be hand speed. And even that, I'm seriously
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questioning it now. And power. He does have more
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power than Boots, in my opinion, but I still
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think if Boots is a little reckless, he could
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get caught, and he could potentially get caught
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good. But it's... Boots is... I just... This
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is definitely glazing, but I feel like Boots
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just has the awareness of, like, he knows what's
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coming back at him. Like, it takes someone...
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It takes, like, a special level of either negativity
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or craftiness to spoil that level of awareness.
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You know, I still personally think, and this
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is going to be Blaze too, that Virgil Ortiz would
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beat Boots in a fight. No. It's a style thing,
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though. I don't know. I think Virgil would catch
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him really well. And also the fact that Virgil
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went toe -to -toe with someone like Belichick.
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We know that Belichick has style, right? Boots
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has the movement to not need it, if necessary.
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What I'm saying is I don't think Virgil will
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get done like Stan Jonas. No, not at all. I think
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that fight would – it either goes the distance
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for boots or Virgil knocks him out. You know
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what I mean? That's the only ways I see that
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fight going. Well, it could – cumulative punishment
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could also happen. I don't know. Virgil went
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to war with – Boa Chuck, dude. Boa Chuck is on
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fire. Boots places his shots in such a way that
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it's mean. It's just mean how he operates. Because
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they're placed in such a way that you're not
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going to like, yeah, he one -shots guys, but
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also they're placed in a way where you feel it.
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He's aggressive. The big reason why I like boots
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a lot is because he's aggressive. He's on the
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front foot. Oh yeah. Again, he has the movement
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and the explosiveness that if you give him something
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worth getting out of the way of, he can get on
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his horse and do that too. You'll do the Crawford
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take a punch to give a punch. Yeah. That's why,
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like, I just don't think anyone except for Crawford
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in the vicinity has that, like, level of craftiness
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to, like, meaningfully harm him. Yeah, I agree.
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But it's Glaze. It's totally Glaze. It's just
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Glaze, though. I was about to say, I think that
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is Glaze because I think someone like Virgil
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Ortiz, who's also very aggressive, who you know
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will come out swinging. Yeah. Could clip boots
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really well. But Virgil would need an extra dimension
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offensively. That I don't think we've seen. Well,
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I think he has more dimensions than Stanley Onus.
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Yeah. For sure. And I think that would obviously
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be Crawford's probably hardest fight. Yeah. Out
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of all the fighters he could fight, he would
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probably be the hardest. And I think that...
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Because the thing with slick fighters is that
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their kryptonite is an aggressive power puncher.
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I don't think you can categorize Boots as just
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slick, though. Well, not just slick, but he is
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a slick fighter, though. In my opinion, he is
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a slick fighter. The way he throws punches and
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dodges, he is slick. Oh, absolutely. Again, the
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only problem I have with him is that he just
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likes to stand around sometimes and just takes
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punishment for no reason. But, again, I mean,
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that's why he didn't do it much, which I liked,
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you know? I would say hopefully I was wrong about
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the fact that in his last fight with Chuka Sedazian,
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he didn't respect him much. But still, you can
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still get caught with some bullshit, you know
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what I mean? Yeah, but it's just the level of
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craft. Obviously, your level of alertness is
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way higher with someone like Virgil than with
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someone who is just overtly negative as a Terran.
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Yeah, I agree. I'll admit I was wrong about that.
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It's also just spacing. Boots is big and has
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a longer reach than Virgil. It's just the way
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Boots utilizes spacing. A lot of it is getting
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a guy to overextend and then punishing it tenfold.
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Stan Jonas had to overextend. He had to hop in.
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He has to reach the full length of his range
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and a bit more. Just with how Boots positions
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himself. I've also seen a lot of times in the
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fight where Boots also overextended himself.
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Except Stan Jonas didn't really take advantage
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of those overextensions. Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah. I feel like that comes with confidence.
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Yeah. But I feel like that comes in the observation
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period with confidence, right? Like, once Boots
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knows he's better than Stanionis, of course he's
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going to overextend and punish him. Yeah. Yeah,
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that's true. It's a different dynamic of the
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fight. Like, Virgil is on par. He's not... You're
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going to, like... Weirdly enough, Ennis looked
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great, but, like, obviously he can still be sharper,
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if that makes sense. Oh, yeah, sure. We said
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this last time about Jalalov, right? Like, he
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doesn't take it out of first gear because he
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doesn't really have to. Yeah. And that's, I feel
24:20
like, how Enes operates defensively. I disagree
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with that notion. I agree with that notion, but
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I disagree with him for doing that. Yeah. No,
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like, it's not good that he does it. It's not
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good that he does it, but he does do it. Yeah.
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Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I'm not saying he's
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a genius for making his fights more risky doing
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it, but also, if it isn't fun. Well, I mean,
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I haven't really watched a boots fight that wasn't
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really fun. Yeah. All his fights I have enjoyed.
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They're easy to watch. I think he's good for
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the casual audience. I think I'm surprised that
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he's not really known too much amongst the casual
25:04
audience. Because no one wanted to fight him.
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He was the complete product so quickly. Usually
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with the project guys who aren't amateur standouts.
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Because Boots is technically a project guy. If
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you look at the start of his career to now. But
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the thing is that he developed so into the full
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thing so quickly. There was no room to promote
25:35
him without just giving him bigger fish. Yeah,
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like how, like, Top Rank promotes the prospect.
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Yeah, like, it went, like, you just, like, because
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he was on Showbox. Yeah. And, like, just he outgrew
25:50
that quicker than, like, they could give him
25:52
guys. And also, PBT just does not develop prospects
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well. Well, that's what Showbox is for, but...
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Again, he went from, like, showbox level to world
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title level. And, like, he's been the complete
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product for a while. Well, yeah, he's been the
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complete product for a while, no doubt about
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it, you know. But you also, you need to consider
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the fact that, like, there's a, like, even Lipinets
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at the time was a higher, you need to consider
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the value of the opponent relative to him. at
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the time of their fight at the time of their
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fight like right now yeah we know who boots is
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like the value the value is approximate but like
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at the time of the welterweight like you weren't
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gonna say yeah sure let me send like yeah sure
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hey arrow spence how do you feel about fighting
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boots ennis like who the fuck who's still on
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showbox or uh Like, any welterweight contender
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who was still around at the time, like, Keith
27:02
Thurman was not fighting boots. Well, fuck no.
27:07
Mikey Garcia was not fighting boots. Chris Van
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Heerden? That was... Yeah, like... It's fun.
27:19
Van Heerden got cut and then, like, quit after
27:23
getting his ass beat for a minute. Yeah, in 2019,
27:28
like, me, like, all, like, Sergey Lipnits was
27:33
number nine at welterweight, and he was, like,
27:35
the most reasonable opponent to give boots. Because
27:39
otherwise, it was Ugas, Danny Garcia, Sean Porter,
27:45
Thurman, Pacquiao, Crawford, Spence. That's,
27:51
like, a heavy, like... Which, like, you can't...
27:54
You can't give any of those guys Boots as an
28:00
opponent value -wise because he's on showbox.
28:04
It's like Xander Zayas fighting the other guys
28:06
that have won before. Even if he's ready. No,
28:10
it's worse because Boots was ready. Yeah, I was
28:14
about to say that. I was about to say that. Boots
28:17
is ready versus Xander Zayas. He's not. It's
28:20
like those guys fighting Xander Zayas, though.
28:22
Yeah, you give him lip nads, and then you build
28:25
his profile on undercards. But, like, he's still
28:27
been the finished product. So I understand, especially
28:30
because you can't, you just can't pull a welterweight
28:33
contender who wants to fight him. Because, like,
28:38
even, like, Cody Crowley was offered a career
28:41
high, like, twice as much money as he's ever
28:43
made, a world title opportunity to fight boots.
28:49
And he chose to retire. Yeah. instead of fight
28:54
Boots. He was having trouble within his family
28:57
life. Oh, I know, but also... He would have gotten
29:02
hurt real bad if he wouldn't have been all the
29:06
way focused. Yeah, but I mean, even in the rankings,
29:11
Stanionis beat Butaev, who didn't want to fight
29:14
Boots. I don't know, man. With Boots, I think
29:19
he's going to get... Not the benefit of streaming.
29:22
But his career for the next couple of years is
29:26
going to be pretty slow, depending on what decision
29:28
he makes. Because, I mean, if he stays at 147,
29:32
I doubt he's going to get a fight with the other
29:34
champions. Maybe Norman is his probably best
29:39
bet. Because I doubt TBC is not going to give
29:43
the WBC that fucking... As much as I malign Turkey
29:47
Al -Ashiq, Boots is on the right side of the
29:52
street right now. Turkey decides to, especially
29:55
because Turkey loves a good power puncher. I
30:00
feel like Boots is a perfect action figure to
30:02
play with for Turkey. Well, the problem with
30:05
that is it really depends on if they wanted the
30:09
other champions to be on the same card. Because
30:11
I wanted the PBC fighter and I wanted the top
30:14
-ranked fighter. And from what we've seen recently
30:17
in recent boxing politics, They're kind of moving
30:22
away a little bit from that. Well, it's because
30:26
the money's starting to dry up. They're putting
30:29
it into that TKO nonsense. Yeah. But the thing
30:32
is, like, next Riaj season, because right now,
30:36
remember, we're in that dead zone. Like, Riaj
30:39
season starts again, and Saudi Arabia needs a
30:42
supercard, and 154 is basically available. The
30:49
thing with that is it really depends if Boots
30:53
wants to go to 154, which from the way it sounds,
30:56
I really doubt he wants to. And also, I really
31:00
don't think that's a good career decision right
31:02
now unless it was to buy a virtual. But it's
31:05
also like, what does Boots do? Because he only
31:10
has, especially because he's the guy where...
31:15
yeah he's got the fundamentals in check but also
31:18
he's gonna look like shit overnight he's just
31:20
gonna get old one day oh yeah no yeah for sure
31:23
because the way the way he moves that's not sustainable
31:25
no even his power punching like the precision
31:29
comes from the speed it's speed and then placement
31:32
instead of placement first i mean shit his speed
31:38
is impeccable you know no i know but the placement
31:41
it's the placement and speed but once the speed
31:43
goes the placement's gonna go too and the power
31:47
yeah the power's the last to go out of all that
31:49
yeah because his feet's gonna go as well like
31:52
he's 27 he's 27 right now let's say he gets to
31:55
like 33 34 with all of his reflexes intact like
32:03
five years seems like a long time But, like,
32:07
five, six years seems like a long time. But,
32:09
like, if he fights twice a year, fuck, it's short.
32:15
Boy, if he fights, like, in August or July, like,
32:19
that's going to be four times a year, which is
32:21
really, within a year time span, that's pretty
32:24
active. It's good. But, like, the thing is that
32:29
you want these fights to be better than, like,
32:36
Evanesian. Oh, yeah, for sure. Or Castillo Clayton.
32:42
The thing with Boots is that he just... I just
32:46
need to see him fight some good competition like
32:48
Norman. But I doubt they're going to give him
32:50
something like that. That's the best competition
32:52
he has. That's like the only competition he has.
32:55
And it's not even that close. Yeah. It's kind
32:59
of hard because there's not a lot of guys that
33:01
can match him. I think the only guy that can
33:02
really match his level... It's probably Virgil
33:06
at 154. Like, I really, like, him being with
33:12
Matchroom is a double -edged sword because Matchroom,
33:14
just through the Turkey connection, kind of adds
33:17
access to everyone. But when you don't have access
33:19
to anyone, you're in the shits. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
33:23
Like, Michael McKinson is, like, your Matchroom
33:27
option at 147. That's probably his next fight,
33:32
honestly. Or, yeah, so. Which, I don't want to
33:35
be controversial. I really mean this in not the,
33:38
I don't mean this in the rude way at all. Like,
33:41
I'm happy that he, he asked off one. But I don't
33:45
want to see him fight Boots, dude. I really don't.
33:47
Because this is just, I just think what happened
33:49
with his daughter, dude. I would feel so bad
33:51
to see him get beat up like that. It's just pointless,
33:54
too. Like. Yeah, it's pointless. He has Boots.
33:56
Like, he's a guy with a record who's. getting
34:01
up there and then like he just gets his ass beat
34:05
by boots i'm like cool we gotta wait another
34:07
four months or six months or however months to
34:11
see if someone wants to fight him yeah like i
34:16
really wish that like whatever boat like the
34:20
fucking fatal theory oh like i really wish we
34:25
would like so like low key Like, yeah, him fighting
34:30
Ryan is an ass -beating, but also, like, I need
34:34
the promo. Like, what Boots just needs more than
34:36
anything is just, like, good promotion in his
34:39
fights that are more than just, this guy's really
34:42
good. I think a fight with Ryan could probably
34:44
boost his pay -per -view potential. Oh, hell
34:46
yeah. That would get your eyes on him. That would
34:50
definitely, like, that would, like, fucking jumpstart
34:53
his career, you know? The selling point is way
34:56
more than just, hey. This guy is really good.
35:00
The selling point is, like, hey, can Boots talk
35:04
shit? Like, can Boots talk shit? We still don't
35:09
know if Boots can talk shit because he's just
35:11
that good at boxing. I think with Boots, he can
35:16
talk shit for sure. He's a Philly fighter. He's
35:21
going to talk shit. But that's what I mean. As
35:24
soon as... We get, especially with the Bozienis
35:29
there too, we can have the fucking crazy -ass
35:31
fathers. As soon as Boots can cut a promo, even
35:37
if he's the B -side to Ryan Garcia, if he proves
35:42
that he can cut a promo beyond this guy's the
35:45
best in the world, the paydays just present themselves
35:50
by fighting him in Philly. I mean, I think...
35:56
In my opinion, this is very controversial, which
35:58
if you want to call in, you can. Tell me how
36:00
wrong I am. Of course, like how you guys always
36:03
do. I still think if he does fight Ryan, that's
36:07
still a pretty dangerous fight. In my opinion,
36:10
actually, the most dangerous fight for him at
36:12
147. Besides Norman, of course. No, of course.
36:17
Because Ryan's not a scrub. Yeah, Ryan's not
36:21
a scrub. And also, I mean... If Boots does get
36:24
hit with a left hook, dude, he might just fucking,
36:29
you know... See, I'm of the opinion that he beats
36:32
Ryan's ass. But also, like, there's... See, that's
36:36
part of the promo, though. This guy's really
36:38
good. But... Can Ryan beat him? Can Ryan beat
36:43
him? And, like, it's just... It's perfect. Like,
36:49
it's a perfect setup. just for boots is the rest
36:52
of his critique because once he falls off he's
36:57
it's gonna be like you're never gonna want to
37:01
watch him again after he falls off it's gonna
37:02
be like a roy jones level fall off yeah you think
37:05
so or like his fucking magic powers will be gone
37:08
overnight man i actually agree that's actually
37:11
perfect the way you said it the roy jones level
37:13
fall off is if what happens to boots if If he
37:17
falls off, it's going to happen like that. It
37:18
will literally look like he just forgot how to
37:22
move. Just because his legs won't give him what
37:28
he's used to them giving him. And it's a game
37:32
of inches. It's a game of inches. It's like,
37:36
oh, I used to be able to sway and roll a shot
37:38
and then counter. And now it's, why am I getting
37:40
hit by this? Why isn't my counter there? Why
37:44
is my jab just a little short? Like, it's a lot
37:47
of things. I would tell you, dude, I think Boots
37:50
versus Ryan, like, that would be a perfect Riyadh
37:55
event, dude. Like, perfect headliner for a match
37:58
versus Golden Boy fight, dude. Oh, that would
38:00
be a goaded card. That would be, honestly, like,
38:04
again, it's fucking silly because, of course,
38:06
it's Ryan Garcia, but, man, dude, like, I think
38:10
that's potentially, like, $500 ,000 pay -per
38:12
-view, dude. In my opinion. At the very least,
38:17
there's guys like Alexis Rocha and Goldenboy
38:20
to die. Giovanni Santillan, the guy who lost
38:29
to Brian Norman. Don Kingflair. Blair the Flare
38:35
Cobb. Fuck no. Absolutely not. Rohan Polanco.
38:42
I was going to say, at least wheel out Broner.
38:47
I know Blair beat his ass, but also give Broner
38:54
one last good promotion. He's got alimony to
39:06
pay. Plus the fines from when he defrauded some
39:13
NBA players? Exactly. Like, as much as, like,
39:18
he's so washed and it's not even worth Boots'
39:21
time. Like, come on. I need to see Broner one
39:27
last time. I can't have him go down. I can't
39:30
have him go out sad. Oh. Boots versus Broner?
39:39
That would be great. It'd be fun. Boots, the
39:43
promotion would be fun. Like, that's the thing.
39:46
Like, if Boots isn't fighting, like, his legacy
39:48
fights, the promotions need to be fun. Yeah.
39:52
Yeah. I mean, this promotion itself with Boots
39:55
vs. Dan was just, it was pretty abysmal, honestly.
39:58
Well, because, like, the whole thing is, like,
40:01
Eddie doesn't know how to promote a guy yet,
40:04
still. You either get the, this guy is really
40:09
good, or they promote themselves. Yeah. Like
40:14
with AJ, what promotion did he do with AJ other
40:17
than this guy is really good? And with Usyk,
40:21
this guy is really good. The thing with AJ is
40:24
that he kind of promoted himself. Yeah, because
40:26
he was a brand. AJ was a brand. Yeah, he's also
40:29
a Brit. They love their fighters. You saw him
40:32
when Usyk was with Matchroom. Those promotions
40:35
fucking sucked because all Eddie could ever do
40:38
in any of the advertising was, this guy's really
40:41
good. He's one of the best of all time. He's
40:45
the best today. He's great. The promotion needs
40:52
to be fun. PBC's always done that, though. The
40:56
promotions are great. PBC fights are just legendary.
40:59
Not legendary, but what's the word? Of course,
41:00
legendary, but they're just grand in nature,
41:03
you know what I mean? They're an event. They're
41:06
an event. They're not just a fight. It actually
41:08
feels like a real boxing event, you know what
41:10
I mean? It has that old -school HBO boxing feeling,
41:15
you know? That is just bland. Tank Roach, if
41:19
it were promoted by any group other than PBC,
41:23
would have been a disappointment in how the fight
41:25
went. But just because of the storytelling, like,
41:34
the storytelling and the promotion and just in
41:37
general, like, how PBC is able to, like, do a
41:43
narrative that gets fans invested. They've been
41:47
in the business for years. Yeah, it went from,
41:50
like, ah, Tank Davis was a fraud to, like, damn,
41:54
this Roja guy is good. Let's see a rematch and
41:57
then... That's good how they spin the narrative
42:00
because, you know, Tank is still a fraud, but...
42:03
No, this is... I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.
42:05
Tank's not a fraud. I know, I know. You know,
42:09
he's a little questionable. Well... A fraud watch
42:14
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44:49
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44:51
called this the British card. Yeah. And it's
44:56
struggling to care, but let's go from the bottom
45:00
up. Vidal Riley versus Siobhan Clark. At Cruiserweights,
45:04
Chris Billum -Smith versus Brandon Glanton, also
45:07
at Cruiserweights. Actually, that fight's fucking...
45:10
That fight's going to be fire. Brandon Glanton
45:12
is a fun fight. Both guys are 20 -2. That's pretty
45:17
cool. Yeah. Now, if you watched Brandon Glanton's
45:21
fight with David Light, that fight was so good.
45:26
And, like, Billum -Smith isn't good enough to
45:29
make it boring, so... It'll be good. Moving up.
45:36
Anthony Yard versus Lyndon Arthur again. Is this
45:40
the third time they're doing this shit? It's
45:41
the third time. They're 1 -1 so far. Oh, that's
45:44
right. I forgot Lyndon Arthur won the first one.
45:47
He squeaked out a split decision in 2020. And
45:50
then got his ass stopped in the fucking fourth.
45:53
That's a pretty conclusive ending to a rivalry,
45:56
in my opinion. Oh, I know. And then Lyndon Arthur
45:58
went on to... Stink it up against Beeble. Yeah.
46:05
I don't think he went above single -digit punches
46:09
in any round. It was actually horrible. Struggle
46:15
against Brian Nahuel Suarez in the depths of
46:20
Argentina. And, yeah. Missed weight. Yeah. Missed
46:28
weight. So... All the things you want to hear
46:32
for an Anthony Yard opponent. Yeah, well. Who
46:37
is either trash or the best in the world. I'm
46:43
thinking Anthony Yard finishes this again in
46:46
the four to six range. Oh, yeah. Doesn't make
46:51
it past half. Hell no. Moving up, Liam Smith
46:57
versus Aaron McKenna. The cash out of Liam Smith
47:01
has begun. If it wasn't already underway. Nope.
47:06
It's been underway for a few years. Yeah. Well,
47:12
Aaron McKenna, brother. He's a brother of Tyrone
47:16
McKenna. Yeah. Hopefully better brother. Yeah.
47:22
I was looking at his brother a few moments ago.
47:27
Very questionable recent string. Man, they've
47:31
been trying to cash out Liam Smith for ages.
47:36
Holy shit. Yeah. They really don't want him anymore,
47:39
I'll tell you that. No, they tried cashing him
47:42
out against Anthony Fowler in 2021, and he just
47:45
cooked Fowler. Same with Sam Eggington. They
47:49
kept trying to cash him out. Liam Williams, same
47:52
thing. Chris Eubank, barely. Maybe, like, six
47:58
times the charm in cashing him out. Maybe he
48:02
used my win. You never know. Yeah. He's had gray
48:05
hair since I was in high school, so maybe. I've
48:09
never known him to not have gray hair. Yeah.
48:12
Fuck. Well, there you go. In the main event,
48:17
Chris Eubank Jr. versus Connor Eggman Ben. The
48:25
Eggman. Dr. Robotnik? Yep, that's exactly what
48:30
I was thinking. Dr. Robotnik. This shit feels
48:35
so contrived to me. This fight's going to suck.
48:38
I am not looking forward to this. I'm going to
48:42
watch, but I'm not going to be excited about
48:45
it. Chris Eubank is washed, but somehow Connor
48:49
Ben is even more washed. Eggwashed? You know
48:55
what? I think you must be sicko this week, dude.
48:59
You think what? I must be a bigger sicko than
49:02
you guys because I'm actually looking forward
49:03
to that fight. Oh, really? What are you looking
49:04
forward to? I like the rest of the card. The
49:07
thing with that fight is only because I want
49:10
to see one of them lose. Fuck, you're just a
49:13
hater. I'm a hater, yeah. Honestly, fuck me because
49:18
I'm going to watch it. Fuck me. No, I mean, I'm
49:21
watching. I mean, I'm watching from, like, the
49:24
Vidal -Riley fight. Pretty much everything, actually,
49:27
looking on it, other than the main event, this
49:30
is actually, like, low -key a pretty decent card.
49:33
Like, if you rearrange it and make the Chris
49:35
Billum -Smith -Brandon Glanton fight the main,
49:38
it's solid. Yeah, it's solid. But, like, that
49:42
fight's going to be so fun. We'll see what happens.
49:45
The fight's going to be so fun. And then, you
49:49
know, like... Man, if Anthony Yard doesn't beat
49:52
Lyndon Arthur in like three rounds, I'm going
49:55
to be disappointed. I think you are going to
49:58
be disappointed. I'm going to be disappointed.
50:00
No matter what. He should retire. Yeah, it'd
50:03
be time to hang him up, buddy. Give it up. Give
50:07
it up, buddy. And Lyndon Arthur can go on to,
50:11
I don't know, lose to Callum Smith or something.
50:19
That's just sad, man. Come on. That's not very
50:21
nice. He already got his shot. He got his shot
50:28
against Bivol and threw about as many punches
50:33
as I did sitting on the couch. I'll tell you
50:38
one thing about fucking... I'm surprised at how
50:43
many... How long he stayed in contention for
50:46
a title, man. I'm surprised. I mean, he just
50:50
beat Bilazzi in a pretty good fight. Yeah, but
50:53
now he's going to be mandatory again, right?
50:57
Yeah, good for him. Well, he just doesn't lose.
51:00
He wins the fights he needs to. He always comes
51:03
back, you know? The man always comes back. And
51:07
I respect that, you know? And I'm happy he can
51:10
do it. It's just... every time he goes up to
51:14
like a world class fighter like Canelo or better
51:16
he could lose this you know well he's never lost
51:21
that bad like yeah Canelo beat his ass but also
51:25
like how much punishment aside from his arm did
51:28
he really take same with Better BF like Better
51:31
BF put it on him but also that's not the worst
51:34
Better BF that's not the worst that Better BF's
51:37
ever beat someone's ass like True, but, I mean,
51:40
come on. Marcus Brown had a splash zone with
51:43
how bad he was beating him. Well, the thing with
51:46
Betterbeef is he did beat him pretty... He didn't
51:49
beat him horrible, but he did beat him pretty...
51:52
He got his ass beat, but, like, it's recoverable.
51:56
It's not, like, career -changing. Yeah, I guess
52:00
you're right, yeah. Yeah, seriously. Like, with
52:04
Joe Smith Jr., fuck, like... Oh, no, okay, that
52:07
was... That was horrible. Marcus Brown had to
52:11
splash them ringside. Both guys were cut, and
52:19
then Marcus Brown's face just kind of got turned
52:22
into mush. They're like, we're going to stop
52:25
this in two rounds if it's still bleeding, so
52:29
better be able to just fucking kill them. That
52:32
was one of the scariest things I've seen from
52:35
a fight. Kvazdik retired for several years after
52:41
Beterbiev made him rethink his life. Made him
52:47
rethink his life. It's tough. Calum Smith, pretty
52:53
recoverable because he just got stopped. It's
52:55
not like he got turned into paste. Yeah, you're
53:00
right. I take back what I said. You were right.
53:03
And he wins the fights he should to stay in contention.
53:06
Why not? You're right. You are absolutely right.
53:10
Bivol's arguably more winnable than Beterbiev
53:13
for him, too. And... Not by much. That's kind
53:18
of wild. That is a really wild take, in my opinion.
53:22
Well, it's just, like, the thing... He's too
53:25
stationary to not get teed off on by Beterbiev.
53:31
You think you'd have an easier time with Bivol?
53:34
Oh, he loses both. But he loses both, obviously.
53:39
But I think Bivel's the more doable one. I mean,
53:42
yeah, I guess more doable, but I think you're
53:45
not going to win against Bivel. Like, it's a
53:46
0 % to 1%, but at the very least, like, Bivel,
53:53
you're never at risk of getting stopped by Bivel
53:55
if you're Callum Smith. Well, I'm... I mean,
54:00
you're at risk in every fight, you know. Don't
54:02
forget, a man can always get knocked out. Oh,
54:05
of course. But, like, in terms of, like... Like,
54:08
if you're a stationary big man, like, your style
54:11
is pretty stationary, you're rather the guy who...
54:14
Nothing but decisions, except for, like, the
54:17
fluke against Sanad. Or a guy who... literally
54:26
made his living beating the shit out of stationary,
54:29
like, out of guys much more mobile than you are.
54:33
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I know this might
54:37
sound silly. I think he would have a better chance
54:39
against Better Beef than B -Bowl. I get that.
54:43
That sounds funny because he already fought Better
54:44
Beef, but B -Bowl is not going to win that at
54:46
all. He's a fucking god. Yeah. I guess. That's
54:50
wild. That's wild. But he's a generational talent.
54:54
Like, you're not beating him at all. You know,
54:56
unless you knock him out. But better be, I mean,
54:59
with him. I think Benavidez. I think Benavidez
55:02
has a good shot, actually. Against Cal Smith?
55:05
Of course, yeah. Against Bivol. It's Bivol. Oh,
55:08
shit. That's even crazier. I mean, yeah, I think
55:13
it would be. It would be. He's alive. He's alive.
55:18
Yeah, he's alive. I think a easier fight would
55:21
have been with better beef, in my opinion. Yeah.
55:24
But I just think, like, the traps Benavidez sets
55:26
to, like, deny athleticism on offense is, like,
55:32
with, like, Morel. Morel's a big, like, athletic
55:36
guy when you see him. Like, he's big on athleticism,
55:40
and you just see some of the traps. Same with
55:42
Andrade, actually, too, if we're talking about
55:44
movement. I mean, yeah. But Benavidez just is...
55:47
Well, I mean, it's not, like, it's, like... It's
55:53
up to how much Bibble wants to engage too, because
55:55
Benavidez, he's just crafty. He's very crafty,
55:59
and it's not like Bibble needs to fall for it
56:03
fully. It's just enough to get a bit of momentum
56:05
here and there, and then... In my opinion, I
56:08
think whoever hosts that card, if they ever fight,
56:12
they're a fighter who's going to win. If it's
56:14
a matching card, Bibble's going to win. If it's
56:16
a PBC fight... I don't think Benavidez can win
56:20
a decision against Bivol just because of the
56:21
amount of time it would take to set the traps.
56:24
Oh, hell yeah. Let's say Bivol is absolutely
56:29
impervious to a lot of Benavidez's early offense.
56:32
By the time it gets remotely competitive, there's
56:35
like five early rounds that are banked and it's
56:37
done. But the thing is that Bivol... Like, the
56:42
thing is that Benavidez is just, he's young and
56:45
athletic. He doesn't have the knees of a 60 -year
56:48
-old who, like, he doesn't have twice operated
56:50
on knees. But in my opinion, I mean, Bivol's
56:53
even more athletic than Benavidez. Yeah, but
56:56
the thing is that Bivol already has trouble maneuvering
57:00
out of Beterbiev's traps. And Beterbiev is 40
57:05
and has the knees of a geriatric man just due
57:08
to his injuries. In regards to movement. You're
57:13
making a really good use of Benavidez. So. Yeah.
57:16
Like Benavidez. If Benavidez is setting a similar
57:19
type of trap. But with a bit more volume. And
57:21
a bit more athleticism. Yeah. I mean. Dude. You
57:26
could probably. Just give you something to think
57:28
about. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. That's making me think
57:31
about it right now. Yeah. Very good insight.
57:36
Well. Hey. Well this has been fantastic. I've
57:40
just been enjoying the conversation. That's all
57:43
we got, though. That was it. To bring it back
57:45
around. Chris Eubank Jr., Connor Ben. I hope
57:49
you knock each other out at the same time. And
57:51
nobody wins. Let me do this. They're going to
57:55
fight again. We have to redo this. Of course
57:58
they are. We have to redo this circus. I had
58:03
technical difficulties. I'm sorry. I don't know
58:06
why it turned out for me. He left and rejoined.
58:10
I think I was so happy about what Josh told me
58:14
about Benavidez maybe winning. I think I just
58:16
overreacted. You had to go share it with the
58:20
world. Everybody! Benavidez is a champ! Well,
58:26
actually, Benavidez is now a champ. Oh yeah,
58:30
email champ. I honestly think with these podcasts,
58:34
I think... We should spend a little bit of time
58:37
just talking about some of the politics that
58:39
go on. Because some of the things that go on,
58:40
we don't really talk about here. We got to talk
58:43
sometimes about the politics. I feel like that's
58:46
when we get more of a viewer base, though. Like
58:49
right now, we need the... We're just starting.
58:53
We need the broad scope. We could talk about
58:57
the fights. And yeah, we're still for hardcores,
59:00
but it's something more listenable to than...
59:04
Yeah, Al Heyman only makes this much money, and
59:07
to stay below the second apron luxury tax on
59:11
a card, he needs to only pay guys this much,
59:14
and that's why this guy can't fight this guy
59:16
at this time in this state. I'm not talking about
59:19
that. I'm talking about more of the drama and
59:21
shit. Yeah, that too. Like Benavidez, or people
59:24
talking about ducking Benavidez. That was kind
59:26
of big news this week. I don't think it's ducking
59:29
more than it is like they were going to do a
59:31
trilogy from the second to this time, the first
59:33
fight. that's not ducky i'm just saying like
59:35
the view that yeah was ducky benavidez you know
59:37
yeah i i'm just saying like maybe one day we
59:40
should like maybe implement just go over some
59:42
news yeah yeah some boxing news like you know
59:45
yeah like oh ryan garcia was calling pads you
59:48
know or some you know some bullshit like that
59:49
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