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Choosing Kin | Part 1: The Path To Belonging with Danika · Neighbourly: Real Stories of Care and Community

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What does loving your neighbor actually look like? This
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is journey with care, where curious Canadians get inspired to
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love others well through real life stories and honest
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conversations,
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you divine providence. Traditional
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theism holds that God is the creator of heaven and earth
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and that all that occurs in the universe takes place under divine
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providence, that is, under God's sovereign guidance
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and control. According to believers, God governs
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creation as a loving father, working all things for
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good. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
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all right, here we are. Welcome to journey with care.
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We are starting off this new season, season three,
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with a three episode series. I am
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on with my daughter Danica. Hello, Danica. Hey. And
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just for the sake of clarity and giving context to what this
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episode and what this series is going to be about, Danica is our
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adult adopted daughter. And it's been just over a year and a half since
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we started using that familial language. So we're going to be talking
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about Danica's journey, about her early life
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experiences and how she came into our family. Just
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an awesome story about God's sovereignty and how he brings
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people into families and he makes families stronger and
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he brings joy into families. So I want to bring
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Danika on to share her story, and maybe we can even learn a little bit
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more about each other in the process. But really just want to dig into your
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story because I think that there's a lot there that will bring value
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to a lot of our listeners because this podcast is all about how to
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love our neighbors better. Yeah, we'll talk about it later in the podcast.
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But in my opinion, I think adult children
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who don't have that mother or father in their life, which is
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becoming more and more common when it comes to spiritual mothers and spiritual
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fathers, I've noticed it's like, oh, it's more like if you find
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someone that's the same gender as you, but for those who have that
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loss and that lack. But it's like, for me, I'm a
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woman. A lot of churches, especially, like, when I was starting to become an adult,
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they're like, oh, that's inappropriate. You're good. You're 18 now,
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you're fine. And I'm like, okay, I don't know what I'm
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doing, but it's like, you still need your dad and you still need
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a mom. And so it's just, I think this is a really important thing
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that isn't talked about in the church. You don't typically
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see these examples. And so my hope is that if there are
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people out there who are like, you don't have your dad in your life or
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your mom in your life. It's okay for unconventional things to happen and to do
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things that are against the grain. Just follow discernment and let the Lord
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lead in it. Yeah. In fact, there's been an official surgeon general
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warning that the next epidemic is loneliness.
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And that's crazy, if you think about it throughout. Covid. I mean,
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that's definitely contributed to loneliness and people being
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isolated for so long. And I believe the Lord
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sets the lonely in families. That's something he loves to do
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and wants to continue to do. So let's get right into your story, Danica. I
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want to hear a little bit about your childhood. Whatever you want to share.
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Tell us a little about your background story. Maybe early years.
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What are some of the good memories you had? Maybe some challenges.
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So I was born in Alberta, and
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so I grew up with my dad, actually. And so for my
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early years, I was very close with him. Like, pictured,
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perfect definition of a daddy's girl. He was. Pretty much all my
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childhood memories revolve around stuff with him or, like, our extended
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side of the family, on the paternal side. And so, yeah, I
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would talk to him a lot. We had a garage, and he
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would be in the garage, like, smoking and
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having one or two beers more than you should. And
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then I would just be sitting on the garage steps, and we'd be talking.
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And it's either we're listening to Stuart McClain
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or vinyl tap. I believe it was Sundays
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after the vinyl cafe. They would do, like, the rock and roll thing. And
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so I grew up with learning to appreciate classic rock
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and learning to appreciate history. And
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so those are, like, my fondest memories is talking to
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my dad about world wars, or we discussed World War
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II a lot because my
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family's background is austrian, and so that's a very
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big piece in our family history. And so my
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dad and I were really close, and he was pretty much, like, if someone asked
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me who my hero was, it was him. And before you get into some of
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the challenges which it feels like you're transitioning to, yeah, I
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can see already that a lot of that has shaped you to the
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person you are today. Like, even those early childhood memories and listening to music. I
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know you love vinyl. We bought you a record for Christmas,
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and you love history. You go through
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documentaries all the time, and that's just a big part of who you are.
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So that's not a piece that you've shut off. Like, you've taken those
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good memories and you've brought them alongside to the person
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you are today. I didn't come by this naturally. So how
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early were those childhood memories that you're talking about in the garage? I
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can honestly remember going as far back as like kindergarten. So
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about five, I think even a little bit before that is when
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I remember being in the garage and it was like pretty much every
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single night for like an hour or two. That was my routine.
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So that was your time in Calgary? You moved at some
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point, right? Is that a transitioning point in part of this story
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here? That is the biggest transitioning point, even just as a family
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was that move. And so I would say the
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challenges started before we moved. My
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parents were separated before we had moved from
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Calgary. And then they got back together and did like marriage counseling. And I was
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eleven going on twelve at the time. And then a year
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later they were like, hey, since
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we've known each other, we've wanted to get a farm and be
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farmers. And I was like, okay.
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And so they just kind of told us one night, because I have one
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sibling and they're like, we're going to move to a farm.
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So do you think that was kind of like a fresh start that they
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wanted? Yeah, 100%. That's how they presented
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it to us. It's like this is going to be a new beginning for our
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family and that we'll have horses living with us
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and any animal we want. Do you remember what it was
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like during that separation period for you? It was hard.
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I think that's one area of my childhood that I kind of blocked out.
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But my dad was still pretty close at that point
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and I think it only really lasted like two months before they
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decided to work on it. But I remember we were going to move to
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Winnipeg or something. And so I was a little bit excited about that because we
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do have some family here on my mom's side. And so it was a
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very different response at that time. But
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I think it was that my dad was in a
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healthier mindset. His mental decline didn't
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start until we moved from
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Calgary. Now when you talk about mental decline, what kind of things are you talking
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about? So my dad is a veteran
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and so he was a peacekeeper from 93 till I think like
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96. So he went over to
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Croatia, was his first deployment, and so
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he developed post traumatic stress disorder from that and it
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was left untreated because that can. Sleep
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is a term that I've seen is that you can have it
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but not have any symptoms for years. And
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so he didn't start having the symptoms of having it
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until I was, like, 13 ish. That's when I've noticed. That's when
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my dad's personality and started to change.
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Do you think that contributed to some of the marital issues
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that your parents had? I think that's the entirety of the marital issues
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for my parents is that my dad, he completely
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changed the stories I heard from them when they met
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and stuff like that. He's not like that. And he was
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never like that either when I was a kid. So I think my
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mom. The decline started a lot sooner, but
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the very noticed personality change was started
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when I was 13. Now let's go back to the transition to the
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farm. What do you remember feeling when they talked about moving
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to a farm? And that's in Saskatchewan, right? A different province.
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Yeah. I wasn't excited. I really loved my
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paternal side of the family, and they all lived there.
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And I loved our house. I liked
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horses. We had had two horses. We were boarding
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in Turner Valley, but I liked not living with them. It
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was nice, but I wasn't excited. I
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like the outdoors, but I'm not like, I want to go out at
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-40 and feed the horses kind of girl. And so I wasn't excited about
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it. I was like, can we just stay
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here? But no, I got more excited after we started looking
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at farms and stuff. How about your sister? Oh, she was
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pumped. Yeah, well, she loves animals. Like, that's her thing.
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And so she was really excited to be on the farm and getting to do
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all that stuff and getting chickens and whatever else we
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ended up getting down the road. Tell me about the early days at
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the farm. What was that like? I actually remember the first
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day we were there. It was weird. We were in a
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much bigger house than we had been in Calgary. And
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I've always loved rocks. That's another thing that I've loved since childhood. And
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so we had, like, gravel paths all over. So in the
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early days, I would just go outside hunting for rocks. There was a lot of
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quartz and stuff in that area, so that's what I did.
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And walking and listening to music or making up stories
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in other worlds in my head, like, just what I would usually do.
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But I had a very hard time adjusting to being in
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the middle of nowhere. Were you able to make some friends?
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A couple? I wasn't really a kid that really made friends. I mean,
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I talked to my dad about dictators at the age of
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eight. I don't recommend that for making friends.
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So I've always kind of been like, the weird kid in the misfit so I
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made like one or two friends, but that was about it. So it's just like
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the isolation. That's when I started noticing
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that our family didn't really have close family friends
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or I didn't really have friends back in Calgary. That's when I
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started to notice that there is a lot of isolation and seclusion
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in my life with our family style. So your parents
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wanted the fresh start at the farm. Did you notice that it helped at the
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beginning? And when did you see that decline? I
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cannot tell you why my parents decided buying a farm an hour and 15
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minutes away from my dad's office was a good
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idea. So he had to commute every day? Yeah, there and
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back. And then he had to get a second job because land
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taxes are really high and farms are expensive. He
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would go to work for like 8 hours a day
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and then he would go and work at the home depot for like four to
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6 hours at night and then come home. So in the
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beginning we didn't see him that much. We only really saw
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him on Sundays or the odd Saturday that he wasn't working at Home
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Depot, but he wasn't really home. When you were in Calgary,
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you had that time in the garage with him. How
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did that change your relationship with your dad, not having as much time with him
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on the farm because he had to commute so much? Well,
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I'm a very stubborn person. And so for
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the first time in my entire life, I stopped listening to my mom and I
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would just stay up and wait for him. The biggest challenge was finding a new
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garage spot. Actually, the garage in the house didn't really have a place for me
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to sit. And then my mom's like, you're not smoking in the garage near the
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house because there's like sheds and stuff now. It's actually kind of funny.
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We ended up going to the one shed that was kind of
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in really bad condition. I'm talking like,
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bats are in there and it's the old workshop and stuff,
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so it still has all the built in wood benches and the built
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in storage for nuts and bolts. And there was a lot of
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leftover things. And so my dad and I would, we started
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to transition back to garage talks, but I only think we had
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a handful of them before and I really did
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notice a decline then. He was more to himself and
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more pauses in conversation. Or there would be times that
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if I got something wrong that he would snap at me, which
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was not usual. And so the disconnect with
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my dad started around that time. And so I really tried
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to maintain that and it was a very difficult
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year on the farm to transition. So I guess with some of the decline in
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the PTSD, that took a toll on their marriage as well
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at that time. So that's when you're beginning to see a decline in your parents
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relationship as well. And how was your sister handling that?
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She didn't handle the move well, actually. So she
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looked forward to it. But when she got there, yeah, it was just. It was
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a really big change. Living in a new space was really hard
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for her. I don't know so much on her end. We don't really talk about
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this, but she was not as close with my dad as I was, so
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it was a very different experience for her. So when did your
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parents decide to get that divorce, and how do you remember
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feeling at that point? It was the January
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after our first Christmas there as a family. And how old were you there? I
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was 14 at that time. And they sat us down for a
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family meeting and I don't remember how they said it,
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but what I remember is they're like, they were going to separate, but this time
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was going to be for real and that my dad
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didn't want to work on the marriage this time. And so I was absolutely
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devastated this time. Do you remember some of the questions going on in your
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head at that time? At first
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I was just wondering where he would end up. Was he going to go back
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to Calgary? What would custody be like? And
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so just all those questions going through my mind. And
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the one thing we did learn is that the farm we had bought,
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the more time he spent on it, the more it triggered his PTSD. And so
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that also made his PTSD worse because apparently some
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of the layout on our farm was very similar to his base camp.
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So that was also when we found out about the PTSD for
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the first time. So the divorce happens. What
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happens to your parents at that point? So my dad slept
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downstairs because we had like a room downstairs. And then
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his goal was to stay until my sister and I
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both had our birthdays that year. But then he found a
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really good deal for a house to rent closer to his job. So he
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moved out, like, I think three weeks after. How did you feel when he moved
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out? I still have that memory of him getting in
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his car and driving away very vividly in my mind. I
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think that was one of the hardest points of it, was watching my dad
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leaving and he took like two of the dogs with him too, so
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it made it more real. And my birthday
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was very important. To me now, it's like, it's mixed, but
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it really hurt that he didn't keep his word and that he
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left. So I think I just kind of
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got so overwhelmed with it that it was more of a numb feeling and like
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a shock. Like he's actually going. So what happened to
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your relationship with him after he's moved away? So the first couple of
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months he would email regularly, and then if you didn't
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contact him, he wouldn't contact you. So
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slowly, I just didn't hear from him and we didn't see
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him. I don't think we'd gone out to visit or see. Yeah,
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actually, we didn't go and see his house for, like, ever. So we didn't see
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him after he left, when he drove away. And he didn't visit too
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often. Never. He'd never stepped foot on the farm again after
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that. I think there's only one other time he did, but that's it.
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What happened then? What happened at that point? Well, this is
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a really great transition because it's like. So I wasn't raised as a
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Christian. I was actually raised, and my dad's like a really hardcore
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atheist. Like hardcore. Interesting. Yeah,
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I'm talking like, talking about just certain things
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about Christianity in a very negative light growing up. But I've
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always been interested in church. For some reason that just never got
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drilled into my head is that christians were bad. So even though you were
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heavily influenced by your dad and some of his likes and
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interests, that's one thing that didn't seem to stick. That
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one didn't stick. I knew he was.
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So what ended up happening is we got invited to youth
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group in the small town near where we lived. And it was
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my first time ever being in a church. And that was my first time hearing
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about Jesus and him dying. What kind of church was that? It was a
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pentecostal church. And so it was the first time I'd ever heard the gospel. Like,
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I didn't know anything about Jesus dying on the cross or things like that. And
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so I almost gave my life to Jesus, like, right then and there. But
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I actually waited a long time. I put it off for a very long time.
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How old were you at that point? I was still 14 at that point. So
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it was like a month after my dad left, because at that point I
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was in the school in town. And so the pastor's kid was
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actually in my class and had told them that, hey, someone in my class,
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it's not good. And so we got connected to
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church, and then my mom was like, we have a meeting with the
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pastor to see if this church works for us. And I was like, what do
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you mean, if this church works for us? And she's like, I've been a
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Christian this whole time. And so we went from being a non
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christian household to a christian household by October of that
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year, which was pretty wild. Your mom was a secret
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Christian? Yeah, she was.
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So you accepted Jesus. How has that
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influenced your relationship with your father and
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mother at that point? Did it change anything? So.
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It did. It did change a lot with my dad. I didn't tell
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him I was a Christian until, like, months later. You had some fear?
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Oh, yeah. Like, that's why I didn't accept Jesus right away,
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man. I was like, whoa, what will my dad think? Yeah. I'm like, what's
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dad going to think? But I've lost my mind. And so
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it was after going to Bible camp that summer, and then
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I had been actually serving in the church at Sunday school and a
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kids group. And then I just finally was like, oh, well, you know what? At
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this point, I probably should become a Christian. And I knew
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Jesus was real, so I was just like, I ripped off the band aid. And
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then it was months later I finally told my dad, and it was in
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an email. And I think, what did I write to him? It
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was really short. I was like, hey, dad, I'm a Christian now. I
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hope you don't hate me. Bye. Did you get a
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response? I did, and he's like, it's okay. I love
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you no matter what. But it drastically changed our
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relationship. In what ways? Well, I
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would talk about Jesus. I didn't see him that often either.
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So I think it's just a mix of everything. He's declining and
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with PTSD, one of the symptoms is that
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you are in survival mode. So, like fight or flight
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all the time. And what that means is you're only using one part of your
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brain. And so the part of your brain for connecting with people, building
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relationships and trust, and those emotions you're not using
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anymore. And the longer you do that, the harder it
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is to go back. And so my dad was just
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losing that ability to have emotions towards another person and
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to trust people. Now, you have a lot of
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knowledge of that stuff now, especially being in school and doing
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social work programs back then.
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What were you thinking as kids? Did you know he struggled with
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mental health? Did you learn on how that would affect him and on how
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it would affect you guys as a family? No. There was no resources
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then for families. We tried so hard to find family
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resources to explain it, but PTSD research was still pretty
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new, and so, yeah, you
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don't understand it. So I didn't understand that when I was
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14 to 18, it was very
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recent that I finally gone in and researched it
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enough to have that understanding of why it happened. But for me
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at the time, it just felt like my dad didn't love me anymore.
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And the worse it got, the more I felt this
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way. And so what ended up happening was
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I explain it. It was like a revolving door.
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So what would happen is we wouldn't talk for months, because
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I'm like, I want my dad to contact me first, and then I don't hear
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from him for months. And then at one point, I'm
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like, I forgive him. God is good. He'll bring him back in my
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life. I'll be a light, and then I contact him. And then we'd, like,
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go to a museum or something every once in a while and talk on the
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phone, and then it would get bad, and he'd
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start hurting my feelings, and I would be like, I can't do this anymore. I'm
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going to close the door. And then it would just start again.
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And it was like that for, like, ten years. So let's talk about some of
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those high school years after you got saved. Go through that time frame, for
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me, of what it was like just leading up into the next
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transition period. So, high school
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sucked. I made friends, but, oh,
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man, small towns, everyone knows everyone,
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and everyone knows everything. And so I experienced a lot
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of bullying again, it's being that misfit and that
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different kid, and I was quite an outspoken Christian without
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knowing how to be an outspoken Christian correctly,
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so that didn't help. But, yeah, I just didn't
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really have close friends in my actual grade class. And
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in a small town like the one we were in, you're with those people till
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you graduate. So I spent five years with people I didn't like, and
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so I was also, like, one of the smartest kids in the class and then
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a bit of a teacher's pet because I get along with adults a lot better
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than I do people my age always been like that. And so I
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was the weird kid, and even at youth group, I was the weird kid.
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I'm not putting anyone down. I'm not going to be like, I was the super
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Christian, but I was a little bit more invested in
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really loving Jesus. And I think part of that was I was so
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determined that God was going to use me, have
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my dad get saved. And then his PTSD would get healed, and everything would be
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okay. And so a lot happened there.
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And I spent most of my high school years feeling very much like
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on my own, with very intense anxiety and
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depression. And my family unit with my mom and
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my sister was also really strained. And
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so I just felt like all I had in the world was Jesus. And that
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was it. How was it strained? My sister and I reacted very
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differently. She didn't want a relationship with my dad, and I
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did. And then I ended up spending a lot of time
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with my mom, so it kind of became like she didn't really
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get as much attention. And
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so it was hard for us all. It's
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hurting. People hurt. And we all responded
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very differently. And I think we didn't have
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family around. We didn't really have that support system, and so
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it was really tricky. And you add mental health into stuff, and
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it's hard, especially then. People were just starting
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to talk about it and that it was okay to have it, but the stigma
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was still very strong. So recently, I
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didn't know it at the time because of how my dad
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treated me and then some other events
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at my church and with friends, like gossiping and bullying
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and stuff. It wasn't just anxiety, depression. I was developing
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what is called complex post traumatic stress disorder. And the only
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difference is, between the two is, for my dad, it's
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one event that traumatized him. It was being
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a soldier. But for a complex post traumatic stress
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disorder, this is more so experienced by people
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who have had adverse childhood experiences, trauma and
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trauma. And so it's because you just have repeated things that are very
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traumatic happening over and over
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and over again. And so your brain develops in
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survival mode. And so that's what I lived in
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for all of high school. That feeling of, like, who hates me? Did
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I do everything right? Am I going to be misunderstood? Oh, did I make
25:27
a mistake? I don't want people to think I'm a bad christian. And just
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on and on and on. And so that was another part of the
25:35
isolation for me. I didn't feel loved, and I didn't trust anybody,
25:39
not even my own family at that point. So, small town,
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Saskatchewan, bullying at school, feeling like a
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misfit. That sounds like a formula for someone that would probably
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try to escape at some point. So where did
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that happen? When did that happen, and how did that happen? Well, one
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thing with my youth group is they're really connected to a bible college,
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and so we would go to youth retreat weekends
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once a year. Highlight of my year by the way, amazing
26:08
experience. And so I decided that
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from 16 on, that I was going to go to that bible college and
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get completely healed and find my community of
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people and have friends for the rest of your life, like the
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idealistic. I just want to get out of here. And so
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I spent a summer working at the Bible camp I had first
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attended. I'd done that for many summers, and then
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I moved to this Bible college. That was right
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after graduation. Yeah, it was the year after graduation. I didn't take a year
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off. And so this also strained my dad's and I
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relationship quite a bit. What was it like when you told him you're going to
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Bible college? He didn't take that well. He didn't understand why I was
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wasting my money on something that wasn't going to get me a job. And
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so it was weird, actually. I tried to explain it to him, that
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it's like it's a year to find who you are, learn more about God, decide
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what you want to do with your life. And then apparently he had a coworker
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that was a Christian, and so he was talking to his coworker, and his coworker
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was the one that helped my dad accept it. There's always
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those double agents amongst us, aren't there? Yeah.
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I still pray for that person regularly. I don't know who they are, but I'm
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like, hey, listen, you're the only light in my dad's life I know of right
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now. He's on you. I'm going to pray for you.
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So what was it like being in Bible college for that first
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little bit? Well, it was
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not what I expected and not the good way. Well, what did you
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expect? I expected to be accepted by people and not be
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the misfit anymore, and that didn't happen.
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And I had an absolute mental breakdown, actually, when I first
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went, and that's because of my experience with trauma, and I didn't know
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that at the time. Which, by the way,
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is one of the reasons why we do trauma care training at care impact,
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is we believe these organizations, church organizations, should
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all have this trauma care training because there's young people like
28:07
Danika coming into these situations with trauma, and they don't know how to handle
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it. But that's just a sidebar. Yeah, we'll just keep going.
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Quick plug there for trauma care. It's not been until recent
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years, talking to some people that I went to Bible school with, that I realized
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that the idea that they didn't like me was just in my head, and
28:25
that the anxiety I felt was just what I felt.
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But, yeah, you have trauma responses. You protect yourself.
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All I knew was people hurting me and being afraid
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and all these different things. And so that made it really difficult to
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be at Bible college. And the only thing that really was great is
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that I just wasn't at home. And I did have
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three people that I ended up getting really close to. And so I did have
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a small group of friends, and so I'm still friends with them today, and I'm
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really thankful for them. They've been people that have walked through
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most of my discovery of what trauma
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is and honestly, in helping me to accept the things that
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have happened to me and to move forward and stuff. But at the
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time, it was awful, and I
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was really struggling and feeling like I was on my own still, and
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it was just me and Jesus. And so it actually really. The one thing
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that really came out of that whole transition period and
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even, like high school, was that I wasn't going to God as a
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father. That was not happening. But I went to him as my friend,
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and so I knew his voice well, and I knew he
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loved me. I just knew all things would work out
29:40
because of romans eight. Summarize Romans eight.
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So the section of Romans eight is like. It's like
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living that spirit filled life, which was like, I wanted that. I wanted to walk
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with God in that way. But specifically, the chapter on
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love, where it's like, you're no longer a slave,
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you're loved by God. And you're like, I think that does talk about adoption
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in some point into his family, and then the way that
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nothing can separate you from the love of God. And then
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also, all things work out for the good and for the glory of
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God, for those who love him, and knowing that all I needed
30:18
to do in any situation was love God, and that's it. And then
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just trust him. It would work out for his glory. And
30:25
that got me through high school, and that got me through my year at Bible
30:29
college is just every time I felt anxious or depressed
30:32
or just something happened, I would just be like, I just need to keep
30:36
loving God. And then that just got me through. So we're coming
30:40
close to the point where I get to meet you, but we're going to save
30:43
that for the next episode. If we can end the episode
30:47
by me asking you, if you had to give your 18 year old self
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any piece of advice going back as you
30:55
entered Bible college, what would that be?
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It's not so much advice because I'm really
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thankful for next episode, you'll figure out why. I'm really
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thankful for how that year did play out. I would say it's okay to be
31:10
a misfit. Embrace it. I would also tell her that the
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program you ended up taking is what God wanted you to
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do and you do figure out why. And then I'd also say I also
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wouldn't change a thing. I'm very thankful for everything that will end up
31:25
happening and all the hard stuff and the good stuff. And
31:29
there's more reassurance. And the decisions I make going forward
31:32
all work out and that God does answer our prayers and
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it's going to be okay and that we're going to get where we want to
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be. Thanks for sharing your story. Looking forward to next
31:43
chapter because that's the chapter that I get excited about because I get to meet
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you. Yeah, it's a lot less like
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depressing at that point.
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