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- Greg Fink: Good evening, Scott. Scott Miller: Hey, hey, welcome everyone else to the political matrix news. I'm Scott Miller and here's my partner, Greg Fink. We're, we are, you you're tonight's hosts on the political matrix news. We've been ⁓ political consultants for about 30 years and involved in all sorts of, sorts of campaigns. think we bring a unique perspective to, conversations in the news because, ⁓ because been in the rooms when the, when a of these ideas were first birthed or suggested. Greg Fink: Definitely. Exactly. Like I forgot to tell you today I got called about a survey that we did about Sheila McCormick and about her stuffing down a commissioner, I'm not gonna mention his name, from Broward County called me today and was asking me, grilling me about all kinds of questions and how come this wasn't the answer and how come the people answered this way? How come they answered that way? And I'm like, it's real simple. They answered ⁓ way they answered because ⁓ how they answered it. And if you want to get more data or drill down and get more data then. pay price for a bigger survey and Warren Doe survey and we will gladly happily do that. However, me telling you all the different details of the survey that we commissioned and that we put out there, not gonna happen. I mean, the thing is, you know, if you want more great and more qualitative data, then you have to pay the Piper to do it. I mean, it costs money to do it. I mean, that's the reality here. I mean, nothing is free in this world. And the idea that people are like questioning us and... ⁓ Scott Miller: Mm. Thank Greg Fink: And grabbing the microphone or grabbing the telephone to call us and to try to call us out on it. It's flattering that people call us about two and a half months after a survey was done about something that basically we were calling it out that the people had said that they did not want her there and she resigned. And as there's actually a rumor that she might rerun again after resigning, which I don't. Scott Miller: Yeah Greg Fink: Or do think that's a rumor based on truth or reality? Scott Miller: I don't believe that. would someone resign this far out? Well, I mean, I know why she resigned this far out because she was about to she was about to kicked out and it's far more damaging to get kicked out than it is to resign. ⁓ But it doesn't matter that that district's going to change in a way that she can't get reelected there anyway, even if. Greg Fink: ⁓ yeah. ⁓ it is. Asantos. No. Well. Scott Miller: she's not. It's over. I but because her problem from a campaign perspective is, that ⁓ that between and her spinning up another campaign, all people are going to remember is, yeah, she's that she's that lady that ripped off the government. She's the one that committed fraud. I mean, that that mental image is going to just percolate in their head for Greg Fink: Well, yeah, I know. Scott Miller: what would be two years because out of this one and she's not going to be to in this one at all. Greg Fink: And what was it she committed fraud on? COVID. Scott Miller: COVID funding. Yeah, she claimed a whole, right, I mean, COVID is such a sensitive part in our culture because of the people that lost so much in COVID and then came to find out that it was almost entirely unnecessary. Greg Fink: which is the Holy Grail. Exactly. People actually lost their lives because the management of it was so poorly done and poorly executed and basically telling everybody like separate themselves from everything and mandating shutdowns all over the nation which ⁓ people economically or hurt people medically or hurt people psychologically, socially, educationally. mean, in all different facets of life it just destroyed everything and Scott Miller: Well, they legislated a medical treatment and punished people that deviated from it. If people wanted to use a different approach, good luck keeping your license because you cannot question the vaccine. all of this starts the problems because when the government... Greg Fink: Exactly. Exactly. Scott Miller: infrequently gets things right. ⁓ problem is always that if government gets it wrong, then they have much inertia, you'll never get them to stop in time. And ⁓ that's exactly happened there. And people are sensitive about that. ⁓ for her, she literally took advantage of it. The ⁓ allegations that taken advantage of it. Greg Fink: Really. Right. Yeah, she took advantage of it. Scott Miller: And she hasn't been convicted of anything yet, it looks ⁓ bad. And bad to where the ethics was going to throw her out and she went ahead and quit. Greg Fink: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, exactly. mean, and basically, I guess the alleged crime was she added two zeros to the invoice and basically received 100 % more than what the invoice was originally supposed to be for. And so she received $5 million instead of $500,000. And so. Scott Miller: See you later. That's only one zero, but it's plenty. Greg Fink: Yeah, I'm not good at math today. Anyway, the guy here on the polling. But I'm just the guy that reports it. And so, but no, mean, it's a mess. I mean, thank you for the who are paying attention to our surveys and our data. We're going to have a lot more coming out because it's Governor's race in the Republican side and the Democrat side. And Florida is heating up. I do think the Democrat side is almost already over. I think Jolly is a... hands-on favor. mean he's out raised dimmings and everybody else in the Florida Democrat side for governor by like three or four to one and on the Republican side Byron is raising a lot of money but it's very questionable on if he's gonna be if he's gonna be able to use all that money to cover up all the that people are coming after him with which I think he will you know I think it'll be interesting race Scott Miller: You know, here's the thing, and before we get too far away from away from the polling part of that, I do want to want to comment on the fact that that numerous people from Washington who saw the polling that was coming out in Washington. commented that our polling was basically the exact same thing. So this isn't something that we made up or we constructed or something like that. The polls, the internal polls that they used in DC to make the decision about whether or not they should, you how they should pursue that were the exact same thing as what we published. Greg Fink: Yeah. And so... And well, allegedly, because I mean, we don't have the facts exactly. I want this to have but. Scott Miller: I don't have it, but I don't have the poll, but have multiple people telling me that. Greg Fink: Yeah, but I will say historically, have a long history of that. I it's just uncanny how accurate we have been throughout the state of Florida on the polls and the accuracy, depending on everything from a statewide race all the way down to a county or city race. And so, I mean, we pinpointed perfectly. Scott Miller: Well, historically. Well, we are, we are, know, because the, I mean, there's a little bit of fuzz, ⁓ fuzz the, in all the margin of error is what calling the fuzz. What I'm saying that, is that only because of the margin of error, I'm not going to say that we are the most accurate pollster. ⁓ But if you at the strict numbers, we are the most accurate pollster in Florida. And the only reason we're not the most accurate in the country is because we don't do national polls yet. ⁓ Greg Fink: Not much. Yeah, and exa- Exactly. Exactly. I do think it's a really cool kick in the butt whenever you hear about these other polling firms charging 20 grand and 30 grand for the same surveys that we're doing for a fraction of that and they get the same data and we've had a lot of clients who they paid 20,000 for a poll they paid us for a poll and they're like your data is exactly the same and I'm like yeah because when you do it right you do it right and I'm not saying that they're wrong that's great it's just that they were Scott Miller: Yeah, exactly, baby. said exactly the same. Greg Fink: extremely more expensive and grossly overcharged and You know, I mean, I think it'd be wonderful to charge that much one day. It'd be awesome But I already don't know if I can sleep at night really but I mean, you know It is what it is but the whole idea here is accuracy and data and making sure that the people actually know what's going on and I think that's one thing that the Supreme Court talks about today with the voter rights act Scott Miller: pricely ever charged. It is what it is. ⁓ yes. Greg Fink: And all the clarification, the confusion, even myself confused, exactly because there's so many different pieces of it that people I think are really ignorant about the entire scope of how deep it really is. Scott Miller: Well, this case, I'm not sure if the decision was today or yesterday, but the case revolves around the Louisiana case where they had created a second minority access district. And in order to create it, the word gerrymander comes from a practice that they had a long time ago where they would literally create these serpentine looking districts that just, there was no rational justification for why they did why they constructed that way and this one parkings back to that it literally goes it's a literally 250 miles long goes diagonally across almost the entire state of Louisiana and And there's no way to justify that and what the what the justices said was Justice Roberts said in fact was you can't fix racism with racism and that building these districts like this Greg Fink: Right. Scott Miller: is by definition because they're racially defined. They literally construct them by counting how many minority people are physically in the district and the district in ways contorting the district and whatever way it takes to make them do that. Well, you know, back in the 60s when we had redlining and stuff like that, when were confined to certain areas, you know, by Greg Fink: Right. Well Mason. Scott Miller: Yeah, you could make maybe an argument for a temporary case of that, but I've always had heartburn about this law since I first learned about it. That it's supposed to fight racism, but it is inherently racist all by itself. Greg Fink: All Exactly. And in 2026, we are a very multicultural nation and there are not really the whole segments of, you know, neighborhoods being boundary or having boundaries driven by race are very few and far between on a national scale. Now, granted, your major cities, your blue cities, I'm sure they probably have communities like that that are like that. But the other 45000 counties throughout the nation do not. And so, mean, that being said, you just can't, you know, set up voting districts by segregation. We're not supposed to be segregating. We're an integrated society. We're a melting pot. And the Democrats keep on wanting to talk about that. They keep on wanting to bring all the legals in and everybody else in. They keep on talking about, you know, putting everybody together. And at the same time, they're saying that everything needs to be segregated. It's kind like the hypocrisy of, you know, you have to have a photo ID to go to one of the rallies or events, but you don't have to have a photo ID to vote. You know, I mean, it's you know, it's just, know, they are steeped in hypocrisy and steeped in lies and in gaslighting everybody. mean, we talked about the effect of the Democrat Party last week you did, ⁓ and just keep on gaslighting no matter what. mean, since we've talked last, mean, you know, everything's come out about this whole Trump thing with the shooting and and Jimmy Kimmel and and stuff that we talked about the last show has been expanded and the just keep on. Scott Miller: Bye. Thank you. Greg Fink: You know, just, it's okay, it's okay. Scott Miller: Well, it turns out that the Jimmy Kimmel thing, I wasn't aware of it until it became a controversy. That's how disconnected from Jimmy Kimmel I am. So apparently it happened on the Wednesday before the correspondence. And it was a parody, exactly. But the problem is this. If Jimmy Kimmel, first off, if he really, really... Greg Fink: It was a parody, Scott Miller: What was not talking about, you know, he says that he was talking about Trump's age versus Melania and that he would die long before she would, she would be, and she'd be a video. That's it. That's his justification of it. He's, he's truly saying that it was about Trump's age. It wasn't about that, but if that were actually true, if that were actually true, an intellectually honest person will come out that night on Twitter and said, Oh my God, I didn't, you know, this, this wasn't, you know, I'm personally opposed to political violence and Greg Fink: Stupid. Scott Miller: and you can't really do, you know, I would never support this. And my joke was about that. And it was just poorly timed and whatever. And would come out and said all that stuff. Now, that's not what he's doing. What he's doing is defiantly saying, you people are stupid. was about his age. And his contempt is what tells you that it was always about that. And he's just trying to find a way to not get fired. Greg Fink: Right. Exactly. mean on top of that you hear a lot more from the left now saying that this was a staged incident. This is all fake. was all a Basically that Trump actually wrote the manifesto I've heard that from a lot of Democrats and and basically it goes back to the butler thing was a ketchup pill or ketchup capsule and Trump's ear really was not a bullet and so there was really no shooting and Butler and Everything there was fake as well Scott Miller: ⁓ Greg Fink: And everything, you know, the hatred for Trump is so high. you know, like I say, you know, you know, we're not mega people. We're just a conservative Republican guys. I mean, we like small government, but, know, nobody's making out this stuff. This is not fake. This is not show. He's not, he's not that much of the apprentice here. You know, the desire for the limelight is not that great. And it also, by the way, really reinforces the whole idea of the White House ballroom, which Scott Miller: Yeah. Thank Greg Fink: By the way guys, it's not being paid for by you or me. It's being paid for by private donations and private dollars people's personal money that has nothing to with your tax dollars. so everybody wake up to the fact that you're not paying for the ballroom. Private people are and he's not taking, whenever he made himself a general contractor, is that. You know, it doesn't really matter. It's private money from his buddies and his friends who are supporting it. Scott Miller: So. Greg Fink: Get over it. Scott Miller: Well, me, the takeaway is this. Everyone in DC, every elected official in DC knows that this is being paid for with private money. So consequently, anyone that is telling you that it's not is deliberately lying to you and is not worth your support. We have got to start holding these people accountable that are deliberately, mean, unabashed, bald-faced Greg Fink: Yeah, I know it. You're lying. Exactly. Scott Miller: And gotta be, we gotta get to a place where there's some consequences for that. If catch Trump in a lie, tell me about it. Tell me what the lie is though. Don't tell me that Trump's a liar because that's the normal protocol. Cause like this ⁓ thing Comey today, they're arresting Comey right now, I think. Yeah, but they're arresting him for the thing that they should be arresting him for. And they also, Greg Fink: Yeah, exactly. ⁓ really? Scott Miller: You know, in the same way that they talk about all the election fraud claims that Trump made were all thrown out of court, they all keep blowing past the fact that they never looked at on their merits. They were thrown out of court because they said, you know, the person who's bringing this case doesn't have standing or it's being brought, or there are other remedies available that have to be done exhausted first before you can bring the case. And they did all these reasons to kill it. Nothing the merits. Greg Fink: Exactly. Right. Scott Miller: not a single case been brought that evaluated ⁓ the merits of it. On the flip side of that, Comey thing, I don't want him prosecuted for that. I they shouldn't prosecute him for that. think that it was in poor taste, but I don't think it was a good thing to do. He needs be prosecuted for all things, for his... Greg Fink: and looked at. Scott Miller: role in this narrative, this fake narrative of the conspiracy to, ⁓ the FISA courts, basically conduct a coup, what amounts to a real coup, not ⁓ a 6th state coup, a real coup. Greg Fink: Exactly, the FISA courts. Yeah. Yeah, they're... Yeah, it's kind of like I mean basically he perpetrated a fraud ⁓ what they did with the whole FISA court with all the fake documents or the Saying this was real they knew it wasn't and everybody keeps wanting to hang their hat on this whole January 6 thing Yeah, granted. It was a crazy day. It was probably a stupid thing that one day one day. Okay one one day one day nothing compared to the thousands of days the Democrats have done that much and so much more and granted it wasn't the capital Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Greg Fink: But it was in other buildings all across the nation and other properties all across the nation. And granted, you know, they haven't stormed the Capitol because, haven't and that's wonderful, ⁓ they stormed everything else. Scott Miller: Okay. no, I burning down courthouses doesn't count as an insurrection. I mean, come on. They didn't just to set them on fire, but they shut them down for days. ⁓ Greg Fink: It should. It should. Exactly. I believe the Democrats will be just as angry. know, Republicans will be just as angry as Democrats. The Democrats are doing that. So I mean, it is what it is. But the thing is, January 6th is just one day and get over it. There are numerous hundreds of days and thousands of days of Democrats killing people and hurting people and protesting and burning down buildings. Scott Miller: Well, what has always bothered me about that is how do you characterize what happened on January 6th as an insurrection and call the fires in front of these courthouses a peaceful protest? I I don't remember anyone trying to set the White House on fire or trying to set Congress on fire. Greg Fink: Exactly, you can't. Peaceful. It was fun, it was a party time. Let's go back to Occupy Wall Street and then go to the Tea Party. Look at the two differences. Occupy Wall Street was all about violence and camping out and basically terrorizing the economy of the people. And the Tea Party was all just about sitting on the side of the road holding signs. Very peaceful. Scott Miller: Yeah. And yet, yet the Tea Party people are the ones that are like criminals and ⁓ the Wall Street people are treated like heroes. I'm like, come on. And they got paid, exactly. Those people were earning paycheck as they were out there. Greg Fink: Exactly. And they got paid up by the way too. Exactly, and the tea party people were not. Scott Miller: Exactly. Tea party people weren't. so anyway, anyway, we digress. Greg Fink: Well, it actually circles around back to the voter rights motion that was done by the Supreme Court today and then basically striking it down in lot of different areas. Scott Miller: Bloody right. Well, the consequences of are going to be severe because not only are the Democrats going to lose that district because they're going to immediately have to redraw that district. so the Republicans will gain a seat back in Congress. But are 12 other districts just like that around the country that are also going to get redistrict redrawn and get redrawn back into what they should be a blended district that represents the population of area. Greg Fink: Right? Which is the way it should be. Scott Miller: And it is now, I will say, unfortunately, the one thing that's not illegal, but at the same time, I don't know how you would it. Picking the districts for partisan reasons, like maximizing the versus Republicans, unfortunately, I don't know they would legislate that one out because... ⁓ Greg Fink: Yeah, that's a tough one. I Florida is doing the same thing that Virginia did. So I mean, it's a tip for tat, tip for tat, tip for tat, tip for tat. And that's just the way it is. Scott Miller: OUCH! Yeah, Virginia about to get that whole about to get tossed out. Greg Fink: Well, she did. No, they actually just reversed it today. the Virginia has gone and let it go through now. Unless it gets the Supreme Court. Yeah, judges, the Republicans were challenging it and Virginia lost today. yeah, so they lost. And by ⁓ standing, probably is not going to have any of Democrats in Florida who are saying ⁓ Florida, ⁓ you're doing it by party lines. ⁓ Scott Miller: Eugh. ⁓ I didn't hear that. Okay. Well, no, no, no, no, no, Florida theirs in compliance with the law. Virginia, the reason they had a case against that is Virginia violated their black letter law repeatedly. Greg Fink: Well, they're actually saying Florida violated the law now too, but I don't know exactly. They saw all kinds of stuff and the attorney general says good and Florida. mean, ⁓ the end of the day, if the Florida Supreme Court approves it, then it is what it is and they're going to ⁓ it's going to be what it is and you can not like it. But like we said in the last podcast, elections have consequences. And you don't the choices of the Republicans, then you know. Scott Miller: Well, they say all kind of shit. Mm-hmm. Greg Fink: get your Democrat base elected and elected and change the rules. Otherwise, you that's, you with the rules, you know, the hand that's dealt. I mean, the constitution allows the states to do that and states have their own, that's a part of states' rights. ⁓ And I if don't like it, you know, tough. ⁓ Get your, mean, go out there and start campaigning, get your people elected. I mean, Florida is not a red state. It is a purple state. Scott Miller: Bye. Go! Greg Fink: And if Democrats want more of a voice, up and get elected. It's not that hard. Scott Miller: Well, you know, watched this little clip today of Bill Maher and he was talking to David Cross, who's another actor over in Hollywood. And he's an actor I've actually enjoyed over the years, but he is a raging liberal. And he was talking about these trans kids, like as young as three years old, and nine-year-olds that are friends of his kids. And Bill said, look, Bill Morris said, look, you guys, know, said that Bill that he and David had voted for the same person, but David was the reason that she lost. Because the people David are, because when you start suggesting that kids whose sexual organs aren't even matured can make a decision about what gender they are, that is the most ridiculous thing that, I mean, I kids, Greg Fink: Yeah, that's ridiculous. Scott Miller: I know a kid when she was 12 years old, she looked up at her father and said, daddy, I think I like girls. her dad just kind of goes, okay, and just kind of talked to her and kind ⁓ ⁓ her go with it. Just basically it was, she might as well have told him that she liked blue for his reaction. And the reason why she was 12 years old and didn't know that what the heck she was talking about, he knew it. ⁓ you think that a nine year old and a three year old, you know, ⁓ what the implications of the, of ⁓ gender are, they do not. They absolutely don't do not. I have cousins if based on the way they acted pre-pubescent, they had that to them. Greg Fink: They do not. Scott Miller: You know, they were tomboy's. One of my cousins ⁓ a drill sergeant. You know, and growing up, was kind of, she was very tomboyish, but she is very much a girl too, and very much straight. So simply someone acted like that at a young age, that doesn't mean that they're actually expressing a gender, a sexual identity. Greg Fink: No. Scott Miller: And that's actually they keep conflating is gender and sexual preferences and stuff like that. Greg Fink: Exactly. mean, let the kid be a kid, let them grow up and let them grow up in their way their manner and quit having the or the schools or the parents or the doctors tell the kid they have to be this way. ⁓ Scott Miller: Well, said for a long time, especially with young children. Of course, children together. It's like the difference, there's a comedian ⁓ that about babysitting his nieces his nephews. And he says, ⁓ he'll leave nieces in a room with coloring books and come back an hour later and they've been coloring the whole time and they'll show you what they've done and stuff like that. They'll come back with the nephews and they've eaten the crayons. Greg Fink: ⁓ yeah. Scott Miller: I mean, it's the writer, everything's a paper airplane or something like that. And these kids, yeah. And these kids, tend to flock together. they, anyone would to be with people that kind of think and behave like they think behave. Anyone does that. Well, kids, that's nature. Kids especially do that. So believe, so if more comfortable with people your own gender, then. Greg Fink: Where everything's a paper airplane. nature. Scott Miller: I can definitely see young children kind of in their brain, especially if they're being prompted by adults who have a political agenda, who want to heroically be supportive of their trans or gay community kids. If I had a gay child, I would be supportive of her. I just know that I don't have one. And I'm going to let them make that, my only child make that decision. Well, she's 17 now, so she's made her decision. But if she had gone the other way, I would have supported her. But I don't have a desire to heroically be supportive of the community. I have a desire to heroically support my child. Greg Fink: Exactly, but the whole... Exactly. And that's one thing that parents should give back to parenting. They should realize that it's about being a parent to your child, not being a political bully or a political, you know, basically a hammer or a political hero or a political hammer and say, you have to be this way because it fits our narrative and it fits what we believe in. And just let the kid be a kid. mean, let them grow up. And if they end up being gay, you know, that's fine. If they end up being straight, that's fine. mean, but, know, just Scott Miller: or trying to be a political hero. Mm-hmm. Let the kids be a kid. Greg Fink: Let them be between them and their maker and them and their higher being or them and selves and be comfortable. mean, that's the biggest thing is to allow the child to be comfortable because and that they're not going to be choosing to be transsexual at that age. If they are, they're probably going to, and whenever they do, they're probably going to change their mind again later. And they're going to change their mind again later and change their mind again later because that's what kids do. Scott Miller: Exactly. Exactly. And then the problem really, really hits home when you start chemically altering these kids, start giving them medications to suppress puberty and change things. even the ones that go so far as to surgically alter these kids. I mean, ⁓ actually, I don't know which is worse. I mean, the ⁓ alterations the surgical ones, because they're both profound. Greg Fink: Yeah. ⁓ that's ridiculous. ⁓ that's horrible. Exactly and anybody who wants to argue with us on that I have raised eight children. I have eleven grandchildren. raised seven of those eleven grandchildren and I have lot of experience and a very in-depth experience exactly of how they think and how ⁓ you're supposed allow them to grow up and so we're two guys here who have no idea what it's like to have kids. We are fully fully invested in the whole parenting and family. concepts here and it's ridiculous that people using this and abusing it totally. Scott Miller: Absolutely, But, anyway. ⁓ Greg Fink: Totally horrible. But yeah, and so that's what David Cross is saying. And there's a lot of other actors like that. Scott Miller: point of that David Cross thing is, is those people, that group of people that are promoting those narratives the reason they are a cancer on the Democrat party. And, and, and what is, you know, it's, it's why the Democrats are so desperate to use these artificial means between gerrymandering and voter fraud and all things to try to, try to maintain, to desperately hold on to control, but they have to even harder. when they try to push these narratives out like this, you know, they're caught between raising money and maintaining control. Greg Fink: Now the biggest thing about the Democrats and this and you know us speaking as two Republicans and basically consulting on how Democrats should act, which is probably they're not going to listen, but it's a reality, is that it doesn't really matter what party you're in. You're supposed to your people first and what good government is to responsibly take care of your people on a very limited basis and give them enough leeway to make their own freedoms and to realize that everything the government controls, everything, everything. Everything it controls breaks. Everything it... In fact, let us know one thing the government has controlled outside the military or law enforcement that is actually anything that's good for us. ⁓ Scott Miller: Yes. Well, no, no, no, they've broken the military and law enforcement too. It's just there's no alternative. Yeah, yeah, yeah. mean, there's just, there's not a private alternative to those two things, but, but, you know, they, are far, far, far from a model of efficiency. Greg Fink: What they have? Yeah. What are we going to have? A side military or side cops? I don't think so. And when we're talking about efficiency, we're separating the federal government from the state government. So let's clarify that. and so, the federal government, now when it comes to education, ⁓ actually speaking to somebody earlier today, by educational self, and they're talking about how screwed up the vouchers are versus how non-screwed up they can be, and basically, and they correct, if you have charter schools and private schools that are taking voucher money, and then they just bail and fold up the notice and... Scott Miller: The program is worse. Greg Fink: everybody's up there holding their hands in the air like what do we do next and then all the funding is already gone. Yeah, that's a little pickle, but that doesn't happen all the time. And that's a very isolated incident. And that being said, the only way education is going to work on the for the government side is to allow the local school systems and local districts here to receive the majority of the funding and to work with the local parents and communities to make education work and not. not being dictated even from the state on high. That's just, you know, it's too much. Scott Miller: The local districts are best for the public schools, as far as regulating private schools, well, the only regulation of private schools I think they should have is their financial stability. they should be able to regulate and demand that they Greg Fink: Yeah. ⁓ that's different. Exactly, that should be it. Scott Miller: on a yearly basis, publish their finances, how much everyone is paid and what they spend money on. So transparency, back to my normal refrain, which is the government is a far better referee than it is anything else. Greg Fink: Now will say if the schools are receiving state funding or federal funding they should have to have the same assessment test, the same standard test that the public schools are doing if they're receiving the funding. But if they're not receiving the funding they should be able to do whatever they want pretty much. Scott Miller: Well, I mean, there are certain standards, but the minimum standards have to be on reading, writing, and arithmetic. And they want to do other things beyond the scope of that, that's fine. there are minimum. And unfortunately, tests are not good. Because we have enough experience in Florida with the F-CATS, where they've ⁓ basically just... Greg Fink: Exactly. They were horrible. Scott Miller: basically just teach the test. so Greg Fink: But there has to be some sort of measuring stick to where, you know, they're just not taking the money and where there's no accountability. So you have to have some sort of measuring tool. is education for God's sakes. ⁓ have to make sure that the money being spent on the education of the private sector is actually working. Scott Miller: Well, honestly, I think the problem with the standardized test is the fact that they're multiple choice. know, they do that because it's the cheapest way to do it. Well, I get that, but education is not something we ought to cheap out on. Greg Fink: ⁓ yeah. Everything's No, it's not. Scott Miller: I mean, we just do tests where that are graded, they have to do the math and then have ⁓ to do writing and then have to be able to read. And then have to read those little short answer things. They can be short answer things and then individually just audit that by pulling some of those out and having the grades checked versus someone else. So as long as they're kind of... reasonably comported. You can tell if someone can read, you can tell if someone can write, you can tell someone can add up a few numbers. But it can't be because it can't be consequential on their funding. It just has to be consequential on if you don't if you're a D school, you don't get D money. I mean, you get I mean, what you get is either pick up these standards ⁓ you teach teach kids to read, write and do math. And then everything else is up to you. Greg Fink: But it. Right now the question here with thing that happened with the Supreme Court with the voters rights amendment and the gangra the basically the segregated districts and how and now a lot of people in education have made that change toward like your school districts are are you know the same way they have like a minority districts and different counties and everything so how is that going to be altering ⁓ the local Scott Miller: I suspect it will impact. I suspect it will impact those things too. Like in Pensacola, we have minority access districts. I suspect that's going to be going away soon. Greg Fink: Yeah, and so it's also going to affect a lot of different fundings in the schools probably. It'll be so at same time it looks like it might be a bad thing, but the schools already failing. You know it's going to help those students who are going to the filling school to be transferred to a better schools. I mean, ⁓ I think the ripple effect of all this is going to be huge because once you start districts on a federal level, then it's going to. You know it's basically going to trickle down to the level and then to the next level. And so I think it's a lot, you know, it's really over simplification to just say, oh, it's only affecting that because it's affecting so many more things. I think, you know, in great and like we said before, back in the 60s and 70s, it might have been different when everything is much more segregated on how people lived in 2026. It's not, you know, I mean, it's a whole different world. It's a whole different world. And so. Scott Miller: No, people people move out of bad districts all the time. Poor people move out of bad districts all the time. Greg Fink: And so, and so that being said, the whole idea is to once again, all my Democrat friends and Republican friends, good government is to take care of the people and to put the people first, not your cronyism, not your background deals, not your contracts, but to make sure the people come first. And, and as as you keep that in mind for education, I mean, this voter rights change that happened today. ⁓ Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Greg Fink: They're going to chuckle down to several different levels people don't, they're just oversimplifying like, ⁓ you're taking away, nobody's ⁓ away anybody's right to vote. Anybody can vote and, ⁓ know, period. Scott Miller: I think one of the most consequential laws we could pass during the Trump administration would be one that required every single appropriation to a NGO. company, ⁓ let me be transparent, but also a company metrics that says that by this money, we're going to achieve this, this and this. Greg Fink: experience. Exactly. Scott Miller: All right, and if it don't achieve this, this and this, then they don't get another appropriation. If they can't fulfill the obligation of the appropriation, then they don't get it. Why would we wanna keep spending money on it? The reason that they do it is because the appropriations, these corrupt appropriations aren't to solve problems other than filling someone's pocket. Greg Fink: Mm-mm. I agree. Yeah, I mean we should not be paying for failure, we should only pay for success. Scott Miller: Exactly. you know, that's a very, that's a very good point because it's not, you know, maybe they're good hearted people. Maybe that, you know, that they really are desperately trying to do the thing that they are charged with doing. But if they're not doing it, then we're going to have to pick someone else. have to pull you out and get someone else in to do it. Next man up. Greg Fink: Next man up, mean, it's a sport. I mean, it's a perfect sports analogy here. I mean, you don't just keep on the quarterback in the game that keeps throwing interception every single time. You usually replace the guy and ⁓ lineman who lets everybody go through, you he gets your place with a lineman who stops somebody. And whenever you keep funding all these programs that are continually failing. Scott Miller: Exactly. Greg Fink: and it's taking billions and trillions of our dollars just stop it. Scott Miller: Well, if we had requirements like that, Minnesota wouldn't be down $30 billion right now in fraud. Greg Fink: Yeah, by the way, Minnesota so much fraud, but population wise, it's ⁓ than 6 % of the entire nation. It's a tiny little population, but they got a lot of fraud there for such a small little area. Scott Miller: ⁓ yes, tiny. Yeah, we think that's a lot when you start counting up the California frauds. Greg Fink: ⁓ yeah, well we got 48 other states because fraud is not partisan. Fraud is crony driven and it'll be fun to open up every single state. I will say though that the states that hide it the most are the ones that have the most to hide. Scott Miller: It absolutely is. Well, the blue states, well, like I said, you know, they don't have any, you know, successful programs to drive things on. So they have to make shit up. And they do. Greg Fink: Success. Yeah, you find me a successful program in California that's really helping people. Or Chicago, or Illinois, I just forgot. Chicago's not a state, Illinois is a state. Or New York. I mean, guys, mean, there are success stories all over Alabama and Florida and Georgia. But the biggest success story is government getting out of the way. That's the success story. Scott Miller: Exactly. Right, exactly. funniest thing to me is Zoran Bandami, ⁓ doing the very thing that Catherine Hochul is like, ⁓ my God, we ran all the taxpayers out of the state. Well, he's doing his best to run them out of the city too. Greg Fink: Exactly. mean, did you know places like Texas and Florida were in Virginia, which actually Virginia used to be. And actually, I still think Virginia is going to be a lot more red than people think it is. And it's a lot more. I mean, it's a purple state. But but but states that encourage, you know, growth, I think are definitely going to be picking up a lot of the people here from New York. And I mean, we've already seen it where we both live here in Florida. Well, all the California people here living moving here like crazy. Now, granted, it's raised our cost of living here like crazy in Florida. It's not a cheap place live anymore, but you know, it's still Florida and you come here, you don't want to leave. In New York, people are coming here in droves as well we'll take them. Scott Miller: Well, to switch the ⁓ too much, but did you also hear the officials out of Michigan who are lamenting and telling Department Justice, don't come here and think you can do us like you did Fulton terrified that the Justice Department is going to come and physically take their balance. Greg Fink: Well. Scott Miller: I wouldn't be surprised if they pile those things up a and and burn them before they can get there. Greg Fink: They burned them. This things are burned already, man. You know, I've talked about Wayne County and other therefore those who don't know is where Detroit is and parts of Detroit. And I mean, confirmation ⁓ that we did up there, which is what we do a lot. We do a lot of confirmation polling of basically seeing, you know, did the election really turn out the way they said it did? ⁓ people keep on saying, there's no fraud. And I've had several people, even Republican friends of mine swear up and down the Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Greg Fink: There's never been any fraud in any Republican area or any Democrat area or any area that fraud is actually non-existent, that it doesn't exist. It's only exists in the mind of the people who don't who don't win. And I'm just like, wow, you guys are so naive about how the electoral process and about how the corruption process works. Somebody said mentioned about. Scott Miller: So naive, absolutely. Greg Fink: You know, these contractors, I mean, O'Neill said himself, all politics is local. Okay. All corruption is local too. Okay. That's just the reality here. I people really, ⁓ so I about, you know, people have these road contracts or paving contracts and I was told, ⁓ there's only like two or three pavers for like a county. I'm like, okay, well that's over simplification of I'm saying. The reality here is that if you look at any county budget, Scott Miller: I'll probably would. Greg Fink: And most of them are pretty damn big. Like, let's just take this Canby County as an example. That's where you're familiar with. And they're almost a billion dollars for 350,000 people. It's 880 million, maybe $900 million. And so that being said, out of that $900 million, you have a lot of contractors who want to keep getting contracts. mean, you ever gone to a fundraiser and seen an incumbent and seen a bunch of people who are not contractors there saying, we want to get you elected so we can replace all the guys who are there? No, you do not. see fundraisers for incumbents and this is not to pick on them because this is the way it works and we know the system because we've been doing this for almost three decades. But a lot of fundraisers, thousands of them daily are ran by people who are vendors or contractors of the county or the city or the state and they are there. They're not there because they like you. They're there to make sure their contract is renewed. And that being said. Whenever you wonder why mail ballots end up in the dumpster or things happen that people keep telling us, oh, that never happened. It's happened to you and I at least a half a dozen times in the last year. I mean, last six years. We took pictures of it. Scott Miller: ⁓ yeah, I mean, we were doing a race in Santa Rosa County. Yeah, we doing a race in Santa Rosa County. There was a big stack of mailers that we put out that were just thrown in the trash. Greg Fink: Yeah, with the US Post Office big plastic container that they carry it around. mean, they even threw the container away, the tray. Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah, little tra... Yeah, exactly, through the tray and all, every bit of it. Just throw it... And these all had addresses on them and stuff like that. Greg Fink: ⁓ wait. Well, yeah, there is one of the this actually before I met you, we did a commercial one time. I forgot to tell you about the story. And for now, you know, we did a TV commercial and the TV station refused to run it because the people who are our opponents have paid them to have them not run the commercial. And basically, we had to have a judge contact the TV station. This is in 2006 during a special election in Scampia County. And they had a contact, they don't let them know that, you know, you have to allow both sides to run the commercial. I mean, we gave them money. They actually gave me my money back because, and we ended up winning the election 65, 35, and we only raised three or $4,000 and they raised $400,000. They raised almost half a million dollars and we raised less than $5,000. Actually, think that was a... Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Greg Fink: working on the direct mail side of that and I was working on the video side ⁓ and that was one ironic weird race that you know is actually a huge special election and and you it ⁓ and it was done the people with all the money Scott Miller: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, lot of people hate... Yeah. Those people hated us for a long time. And still do probably. Greg Fink: I do. Yeah, yeah, because I mean, the program would have created a healthcare consulting firm for is for indigent care, which we're all for indigent care. I have no trouble with that. I'm a vet myself. And, however, vets were not qualified. In fact, the only people that were qualified to get this care were less than 600 people that lived in the county. And it was going to raise $280 million a year. And so. Scott Miller: Yeah. what was going to happen with all that money? It was going to go to staff. Greg Fink: Yeah, yeah, because there's no building. There's no, there's no structure building. There's no medical services. It's all referrals. And so, and so basically it's going to be a healthcare referral company and to help them, to help the staff pay for them, to find better care, which is very awesome. I mean, I'm all for everybody getting better care, but. Scott Miller: All referrals. Mm. Yeah, but when you restrict the whole thing, beneficiary is down to a small handful of people. And frankly, if we'd passed the law, we'd have found a lot reasons not to help most of them. ⁓ Greg Fink: Yeah, and it going to be a sales tax for 10 years. Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Greg Fink: And yeah, they still don't like us. And so it's life. Exactly. But I mean, ⁓ ⁓ issues and they were actually literally talking about the minority districts and everything back then. They really pushing the whole issue. know, know, you're here or there. I mean, it's about people's health care because of people they were talking about in the minority district, none of qualified because if you have Medicaid, you won't qualify via Medicare. You won't qualify. Scott Miller: Yeah, well, suck it up, buttercup. Greg Fink: If you had a veteran services, you would not qualify. you had to make a certain amount or not make a certain amount. And if you're a homeless, you would not qualify. And so, mean, you know. Scott Miller: And to be fair, they listed a lot of these conditions. They just never did the math for anyone. Because when you did the math, you found out just, not this one, not this one, this one, but not this one, this one, but not this one, this one, but not this one, between here and here and here and here, and oh, this one, this is all we're doing. Yeah. Greg Fink: Exactly. Yeah, yeah, people still tell us today, y'all were just wrong. It was very frustrating that y'all oversimplified it. I'm like, no, we just, well, okay, the thing. If we oversimplified it, we apologize because all we did was basically talk about exactly what y'all talked about. So maybe y'all should have narrated it better or wrote the better or did something that was more efficient with the resources or your proposal. Scott Miller: No. Greg Fink: who actually help people in a larger way and more people. Scott Miller: No, the whole thing is BS. I'm not even going to give them an inch of it. No, I'm not giving them an inch because if they were truly intellectually honest about that, they'd have showed us their math. They just pooh-poohed our math and never showed anyone their math because the only way to honestly, they had no way of credibly showing their math that people couldn't just go, why no, that's not right. Why no, that part's not right. Greg Fink: I know. I was trying to give him a, I was trying to give him an inch. Right. Scott Miller: And no one had the full picture, but everyone would have known that pieces of it weren't right. And those people would have talked when they'd still got the same problem. Greg Fink: Encircled back to the corruption issue I mean basically and that was an example of the corruption being local because the local people who are funding the other campaign were telling the media outlets media outlets First Amendment right media outlets not to run our ads Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, and before you say, well, that's an isolated incident, well, what about this children's, what was that thing? It a children's fund. Children's Trust, that was it. The Children's Trust, they passed a state law enabling the creation of these things. And just about every one of them at this point, I don't care, buy now. Greg Fink: The Children's Trust. We got friends with that. I don't want to pick on them. Scott Miller: Almost every one of them have gotten in trouble for the very corruption that we said it would engender. Greg Fink: They have. Yeah, you know, I haven't really gotten involved with that one too much to know exactly ⁓ the corruption has been and ask my ignorance there. But tell me ⁓ what happened. ⁓ Scott Miller: Whoa. Well, lot of people that supported it initially are backing up, backing away from it. So, they're not the ones running it and the people that are running, they're like, what are you doing? This is not what we agreed to. Greg Fink: but you know, and people probably wondering how this all has anything to do with ⁓ how started the conversation. But actually it really does because all the decisions that were made were based off the separate districts and the set asides and hurting this community hurting that community and is all based off segregation. I mean, every single thing is not to be picking anybody, but to pick on the fact that people are afraid to see that racism is out there. Scott Miller: Hmm. Greg Fink: And then being racist is basically why the corruption is happening is because they're not treating everybody as equal. They're trying to treat a special group or a special community or a special product or this, instead of treating the populace as all the same type of people. Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Greg Fink: decision the Supreme Court made is going to have trickle-down effects that are going to be monumental and huge. I don't think anybody has really appreciated it yet. Scott Miller: I don't know about that. know that the Supreme Supreme Court's decision there, going to be eight brand new bright red. Congressman. This And going be at least a dozen more plus whatever the net is of these of California, Florida. I California, Florida offset Virginia, maybe. Greg Fink: Districts. Exactly. Texas. Scott Miller: But I don't think Virginia is going to offset taxes. Greg Fink: I think somebody's told me that the Democrats are still at net four ahead with other redistricting between California, Virginia, and a few other states in the blue areas. But this Supreme Court decision here could offset that net four easily. Scott Miller: no, absolutely, it's, because no offset for it. Greg Fink: Exactly. mean, it's basically rejoin the districts as a population in the census is which is a way they're supposed to be it's not supposed to be set asides I mean If we haven't learned that an affirmative action and every other says how there is out there has been nothing but bad Because you know meritocracy is everybody keeps on saying it's a horrible thing, but it's not you know the You're supposed to working with a lot of people in a leadership program and the whole idea about leadership Scott Miller: No. Greg Fink: about you know, the cream of the crop rising to the top and goes all the way to sports I mean look at the NIL issue and sports and everybody keeps on talking about that's horrible that you're paying players But here's a real deal with NIL ⁓ the guys who are getting NIL are the ones who earn it Okay, I mean You're not NIL money or ⁓ making millions dollars or thousands of dollars by being a benchwarmer Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah, the fourth string punt returner is not making Ni elevating. Greg Fink: Well, actually they are making like $500 a game. there is a, it's kind of like creating like a union kind of world in the college sports, but they're not getting the top dollar thing, which is kind of weird. That's kind of weird that they're trying to make sure everybody gets a trophy. Everybody gets a paycheck. Scott Miller: Well, I don't know about that. I don't agree with that. think it's an unfair way of characterizing it because on the team sports, especially, you know, if you're a thousand yard quarterback, you know, you wouldn't be a thousand yard quarterback if the day, if you didn't have the offensive line that you have. Yeah. So, so there are, there are a lot, it's a team sport and I think the team should benefit. Greg Fink: It is. for the receivers. Scott Miller: Because in the ⁓ there's a pretty solid tradition of the quarterback just out bonuses to his ⁓ line, people that protect him. It's more enlightened self-interest kind of thing. Greg Fink: Right. But that's also based off merit though. It's not based off, you know, just this guy on the team or just one type of individual or one type of a student or athlete you're only supporting them. You're supporting them because of their work and their efforts and their ability achieve a next level of success. And that's what the courts are doing here with the voter rights. mean, they're trying to make everybody equal. I mean, This is not hate. This is not racism. This is not This is freedom, baby. Scott Miller: Yeah, and anyone saying otherwise is flat out lying. Greg Fink: Yeah, they have no idea what freedom is. mean, it's just mind boggling. I mean, we see all the stuff about Iran and they're angry about, you know, this or that. mean, I'm sorry. I don't know why, you know, granted, and I talked about, you know, earlier about Trump lying and free of a lie. Now, I will say he changes his mind a lot. Also, ⁓ think that he says what he wants to just because he says what he wants to. His actions are 100 percent what they are. And I think that he's a master at playing the show game. That's part of the art of the deal. But, you know, that being said, there is no, you cannot take Iran as war period and giving them more credibility than the president or anybody here in America is ridiculous. Scott Miller: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that we can make a deal with Iran that's not basically them surrendering is out of their mind. ⁓ very reason that they want to ⁓ the nuclear issue from the Strait of Hormuz is because they have no intention of complying with the nuclear issue. Greg Fink: Yeah, and. Exactly. these are the same people who are angry about, you know, the voting issues ⁓ the of the far left and the Democrats is just, you know, wake up, you know, guys. mean, it's we've got, and that's not a thing to put America first. It's not a bad thing to put your neighbor first. It's not a bad thing to put your community, your church and everybody around first above you. It's actually the reverse of narcissism and the reverse of Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Greg Fink: You go, you know egocentric and hedonism is you know what you know the old The old people in the you know was a Plato and Socrates and all those guys I mean the philosophers were all about you know being community first and that's how we're trying to do and think it's great with the praying courts doing and I think it's great the direction we're going Scott Miller: Thanks. Yeah, we'll see. Greg Fink: We will see. I'm sure there's a lot of debates out there because there's gonna be a lot of people that are gonna conflate everything and misalign all the definitions of everything and we're gonna have to re-educate them on what the English language really means. Scott Miller: Yeah, well, the Democrats didn't have equivocation, they wouldn't have an argument. Greg Fink: That's very true. Well, you got anything else you want to talk about tonight? Scott Miller: Nah man, we've had a long one tonight, we need to get moving on it. Greg Fink: you guys join us in every platform out there. We are on all of them and have a good night. Scott Miller: Have a good night.