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Holly Robinson Peete, Tamron Hall, Carla Tillman, Jacquelyn and Shaun Rodgers · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: Making Conversation dot com guest this week a Holly Robinson Pete.
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Speaker 1: She has two new holiday movies, The Christmas Doctor and
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Speaker 1: My next guest, you know, you know I was reading.
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Speaker 1: I was trying to do an extra bio work, but
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Speaker 1: I ran across the word said singer. So I never
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Speaker 1: heard singer in her bio. So I'm gonna I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: start out this. My next is an accomplished producer, philanthropists,
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Speaker 1: actress and singer, Holly Robinson Pete. She's on the show
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Speaker 1: to talk about her new her news two new Hallmark
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Speaker 1: holiday movies. She did two last year's. She was on
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Speaker 1: the show talking about it, The Christmas Doctor. Sunday Noveman
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Speaker 1: fifteen at t ten pm on Hallmark Movies and Mr
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Speaker 1: Hallmark Movies and Mysteries. Christmas and Evergreen Premarry December five
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Speaker 1: on Hallmark Channel. We were discussing racism. I got to
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Speaker 1: talk to a song on YouTube right across me because
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Speaker 1: we know the time and pandemic. She has a handsome
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Speaker 1: son who works for the l. A. Dodgers, So you know,
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Speaker 1: I got to talk about the l A Dodgers because
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Speaker 1: you know they made such a humorous uh last year
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Speaker 1: when I went to Live Holly Holly rod Foundation, it
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Speaker 1: was so humorous how they was talking about he can
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Speaker 1: wash clothes at the for the Dodges, but he can't
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Speaker 1: watch clothes when you get home. Raising the family doing
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Speaker 1: the pandemic and house infected her charity entertainment livelihood. PE's
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Speaker 1: welcome a good friend to money making conversation Holly Robinson Pete. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: First of all, let me you're gonna put some respect
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Speaker 1: on my little singing career. I can't because you know
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Speaker 1: I've known you. I'm sweaty. I've known her at least
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Speaker 1: twenty years. I am. I am a singer in my
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Speaker 1: own mind, so so let me just have that. Put
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Speaker 1: that out there so so when you know when I'm
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Speaker 1: going through doing my research, because but I don't try
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Speaker 1: to do it act like I know people even though
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Speaker 1: I know it. And so when I run across a little,
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Speaker 1: Tippets says, right before they entered, they started talking about,
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Speaker 1: you know, the Christmas Doctor. They said, actress and singer. Kay. Well, okay,
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Speaker 1: well let's let's settle in. So this is what had
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Speaker 1: happened that when I was on twenty one Jumps Street
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Speaker 1: before I got twenty one Jump Street in the mid eighties,
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Speaker 1: I was trying to get a record deal. I came
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Speaker 1: out of college. I wanted to be a singer. I
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Speaker 1: got the twenty one Jump Street. I sang the theme
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Speaker 1: song to twenty one Jump Street. So I was feeling
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Speaker 1: really good about myself. That was in the late eighties,
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Speaker 1: mid late eighties. Now, back then, Rashaan, you might remember
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Speaker 1: there were a lot of us black dresses that were
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Speaker 1: on TV that were had record deals. I had one
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Speaker 1: in Atlantic, t Shat Campbell had one, Jazz the Guy
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Speaker 1: had one. But here was the difference between then and
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Speaker 1: let's say now in the two thousands. Then, when you
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Speaker 1: were on TV or known as a TV person, that
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Speaker 1: was not that was a hindrance to you becoming a singer.
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Speaker 1: And somewhere along the way ariana grande of Miley Cyrus. Um,
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Speaker 1: you just keep going. Um, A TV show helped you
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Speaker 1: become a singer and was a platform for you to
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Speaker 1: become a singer. So we just didn't have very good timing.
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Speaker 1: But I always love to sing, and I recorded a
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Speaker 1: lot recorded with Prince, I recorded with a lot of
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Speaker 1: other people. But yeah, it's a little known thing, and
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Speaker 1: I sang things. It's a little known thing, you know,
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Speaker 1: And so I consider myself a singer. You know. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, no Grammy one. I've been to like several
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Speaker 1: Holly rock I'm coming off to come and cut you off,
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Speaker 1: cat do over talk to me on this singing thing
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Speaker 1: because I've been to several Holly rod foundations. Never have
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Speaker 1: I seen you belt a tune. All brilliant comedic host,
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Speaker 1: a brilliant philanthropists. But you know, so, so how did
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Speaker 1: the singing part become part of your intro again? That's
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Speaker 1: all I want to know. And we on the show
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Speaker 1: talking about Holly Robinson. People't know. I think I think I, um,
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Speaker 1: publicists just decided they wanted me to to be to
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Speaker 1: to start thinking about that again, you know, my third act.
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Speaker 1: But I'm not really sure every now and then singer
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Speaker 1: does creep in there. But my, my, my fans from
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Speaker 1: the from the early nineties and eighties will remember some
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Speaker 1: of my singing ambitions. My friends gone, We're just gonna
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Speaker 1: leave that there. Don't hate on I wanna be singer.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hate on you because I can't hate
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Speaker 1: on a dear friend. I can't hate on a person
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Speaker 1: who who has has longevity in this business that we
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Speaker 1: call entertainment. And we know there's there's so many valleys
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Speaker 1: in this business that when you try to get a peek,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't stay there for long. You have two movies
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Speaker 1: coming out on Hallmark, that Christmas Doctor and then you
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Speaker 1: have a Christmas in Evergreen. Let's talk about it. Start
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Speaker 1: out with the Christmas Doctor, which mirrors Sunding over the fifteen.
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Speaker 1: So The Christmas Doctor is a a sweet Christmas love
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Speaker 1: story that celebrates a homage basically two doctors and nurses
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Speaker 1: on the front lines. The ironies that we were shooting
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Speaker 1: it during the pandemic in Canada, uh and so it
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Speaker 1: all felt very real. I was very connected to it.
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Speaker 1: I was able to executive produce this project along with
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Speaker 1: my buddy Al Roker and my production partner Orally Adelson.
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Speaker 1: We were able to produce it together executive produced it,
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Speaker 1: and that makes you just more connected to the story, right,
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Speaker 1: gives you more stakes. I love doing this movie because
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Speaker 1: you know, Hallmark Channel is really, you know, doing a
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Speaker 1: great job at having more diversity in their films and
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Speaker 1: also letting us get behind the scenes. Um. My co
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Speaker 1: star Adrian Holmes, a very talented Canadian actor who really
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Speaker 1: just sold a movie for me because he was just
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Speaker 1: he was just so so hot and fiery on screen,
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Speaker 1: and just just believed him and we shouted. In Vancouver,
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Speaker 1: British Columbia, which a lot of people knows where I
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Speaker 1: started my career again on twenty one Jump Street, uh
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Speaker 1: and been coming up there pretty much of thirty five
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Speaker 1: years making movies, so it's like my second home. And Rashawn,
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Speaker 1: they were so prepared for us for production. They just
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Speaker 1: had everything so perfectly planned out. They have very few
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Speaker 1: cases up there, so I felt very good. I took
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Speaker 1: my whole family. We had the quarantine too hard weeks,
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Speaker 1: and I mean the real quarantine, not the little stuff
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Speaker 1: we'd be doing in the States, Like you could not
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Speaker 1: leave your house. Um, before I could get on set
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Speaker 1: once I passed my COVID test, I got on set
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Speaker 1: and we were often running. Let's talk about that for
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Speaker 1: a minute there late before we get into the next movie.
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Speaker 1: Uh what what? What were your basic feelings. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: tell you this when when COVID hit and they shut
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Speaker 1: us down, I was I didn't know how to even
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Speaker 1: go out and shop. You know, I had I had
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Speaker 1: a pair of gloves, I had a mask I had,
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Speaker 1: I had some lightsol, I had some a little a
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Speaker 1: little parral that I have somethinghow had in my house.
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Speaker 1: My wife had in the house, And so when I
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Speaker 1: came out, I didn't know I have to take off
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Speaker 1: the glove. So you were traveling, because I'm sure you
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Speaker 1: flew to uh to Canada. Correct. And with that being
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Speaker 1: to say, how did you deal with that? Emotionally and mentally? Well,
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Speaker 1: emotionally and mentally like any mom trying to protect their family,
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Speaker 1: you know, it was scary. You know, you had to
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Speaker 1: try to figure out so many things together. We didn't
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Speaker 1: really know what. We've never had to deal anything like this, right,
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Speaker 1: our our mothers had didn't have to deal with anything
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Speaker 1: like this, So we didn't really have a lot of
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Speaker 1: a lot of to work with as far as what
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Speaker 1: is going on, and then you know, we're not been
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Speaker 1: getting to too much politics. But uh, you know, we
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Speaker 1: didn't have real good, great leadership. So the first thing
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Speaker 1: you want to do is, you know, look to the
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Speaker 1: top to go all right, shoot, what do we do?
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Speaker 1: We and this together? But we didn't have that. Fortunately
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Speaker 1: for some of us, we had governors and mayors that
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Speaker 1: were really on it. And I feel like in the beginning,
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Speaker 1: California was you know, briefing us every day and we
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Speaker 1: were just getting a lot of information and I felt
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Speaker 1: like we were all on the same page. So that
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Speaker 1: was very helpful, but it was scary. Um, I had
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Speaker 1: a lot of confidence in Canada. I'm gonna be honest,
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Speaker 1: I had more confidence in Canada than I did in
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Speaker 1: my own country. Was not a good thing to be
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Speaker 1: able to have to say, but that was a fact.
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Speaker 1: So when they said come on up and she one
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Speaker 1: movie to two movies back to back, and you can
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Speaker 1: bring your family. But these are the rules. You gotta
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Speaker 1: take your temperature every single day, you have to do
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Speaker 1: a lot of paperwork. Um, these are the rules. You
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Speaker 1: can't leave your house, you can't do this, you can't
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Speaker 1: do that. So I felt very protected, you know, Rashaan,
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Speaker 1: I felt very much like they had my back and
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Speaker 1: that I could go up. And then the blessing to
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Speaker 1: be able to work right. So many people were out
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Speaker 1: of work, so that was not something that I did not,
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Speaker 1: you know, express a lot of gratitude for I was
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Speaker 1: a huge blessing. But I felt very very taken care of.
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Speaker 1: You know. But as a mom, you know, running families
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Speaker 1: and you know, and making sure your kids are okay,
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Speaker 1: you have to do a lot and you want as
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Speaker 1: much information as you can. And that's why I want
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Speaker 1: everybody to to hear that. Uh, you know, because sometimes
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Speaker 1: they look at famous people and you're famous. You know,
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Speaker 1: You've been in front of our Uh. You've been iconic
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Speaker 1: for us from from a teenager to we watch you
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Speaker 1: get engaged on TV. Watch you that basically have your
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Speaker 1: family and raised your family before our eyes, and you
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Speaker 1: still have maintained. I remember when you did the Neighborhood
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Speaker 1: Awards for me and you were pregnant. I remember you
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Speaker 1: was presenting pregnant. So I know what you will do
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Speaker 1: when when a friend calls you and asked you to
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Speaker 1: to to to deliver something that you said I'm going
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Speaker 1: to do. Now. You did back to back movies, Holly
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Speaker 1: and so I'm never active. So that whole memorization part
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Speaker 1: of doing something like that, because the movies were totally different.
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Speaker 1: How do you First of all, you told us what
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Speaker 1: the Christmas Doctor was. Christmas and the Evergreen tell us
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Speaker 1: the difference in that movie or the storyline of that movie,
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Speaker 1: but also the somewhat difficulties are being able to do
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Speaker 1: back to back movies that are not a sequel. So
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Speaker 1: Christmas and Evergreen is the fourth installment of a series
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Speaker 1: of movies about a mystical town in Evergreen. Its Evergreen, Vermont,
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Speaker 1: which is a town that is very um Christmas e right,
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Speaker 1: we do Christmas so well, everything is like it's the
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Speaker 1: Christmas Oasis. Basically, I play Mayor Michelle, who's the mayor
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Speaker 1: of Evergreen, the first female mayor. I am black mayor,
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Speaker 1: so I modeled I modeled my little character off of
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Speaker 1: off of my off of my black female mayors because
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Speaker 1: we have so many great ones in America. So, um,
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Speaker 1: I got to I get to mixture. The town is
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Speaker 1: ready for Christmas, and uh, it's a it's a you know,
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Speaker 1: a movie about togetherness in community. Everyone comes together. So
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Speaker 1: we thought that was really a nice theme to be
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Speaker 1: celebrating right now. As well. Um, the set, Rashawn is
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Speaker 1: so amazing. I Mean people tease, you know Hallmark Movies
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Speaker 1: and mystery hallmar Channel, um movies a little bit about
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Speaker 1: how Christmas e everything is and how it's so over
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Speaker 1: the top. Well, this actual movie set, the core was
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Speaker 1: so beautiful and magical. When you walk onto the set,
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Speaker 1: it's just like you're instantly in Christmas. And so it
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Speaker 1: really it's just such a beautiful movie. And so this
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Speaker 1: is the fourth fourth movie. The last time you see Michelle,
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Speaker 1: she got proposed to by Thomas, and so this movie
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Speaker 1: is called Christmas Never Green bells are ringing and um,
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Speaker 1: so the the the town comes together for some nice,
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Speaker 1: beautiful Christmas events. As far as trying to remember lines
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Speaker 1: and everything, I don't do that as well as I
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Speaker 1: did back in the Stump Street hang with Mr Cooper
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Speaker 1: for your love days because I don't have there as
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Speaker 1: many brain cells. I'm a little bit more mature now,
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Speaker 1: rash But you're still beautiful and you still dynamic. Thank you,
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Speaker 1: thank you. That's that's that's the response I was looking for.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Um, and uh, but yeah, I
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Speaker 1: got confused because I would go from one movie to
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Speaker 1: the nets and I got totally confused with characters. So
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Speaker 1: I would call people by different names from different movies.
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Speaker 1: And so we laughed about it, and you know, you
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Speaker 1: just take it one, one scene at a time for me,
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Speaker 1: And that's that's why I wanted people to hear about.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you when you're called upon to do
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Speaker 1: something like a lot of people think it's easy. You know, well,
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Speaker 1: she just did back to back movies, were all. That's
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Speaker 1: not you know, sometimes there's they're doing there, they're out
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Speaker 1: of art of their cross productions and things like that.
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Speaker 1: They say, well, you know, your hair looked like this,
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Speaker 1: so we need to shoot that scene right now on
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Speaker 1: this particular movie on this side, and the scripture is
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Speaker 1: about this, and you your loving this scene and this
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Speaker 1: scene you're delivering Christmas packages. So it really is a
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Speaker 1: really puts your acting skills to true task when you're
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Speaker 1: doing back to back movie. But it really does. And
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Speaker 1: you have to just be so you know, disciplines and
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Speaker 1: so you know, and the hours are long, right, the
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Speaker 1: hours are really long. Sometime only have eight or nine
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Speaker 1: hours in between what we have to work, and it's
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Speaker 1: it's definitely a grind, but again the blessing of of
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Speaker 1: work and the opportunity to make movies and content that
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Speaker 1: I think is really very important. Right now, we have had, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, some tough times and Christmas is going to
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Speaker 1: be difficult for a lot of people because a lot
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Speaker 1: of people won't be able to travel and see their
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Speaker 1: loved ones. And so these movies and the joy and
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Speaker 1: this content is something I'm really proud of. Well, you
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Speaker 1: have to Hallmark Holiday Movies. Is the Christmas Doctor on
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Speaker 1: Hallmark Movies. Uh, and also you have Christmas and Evergreen
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Speaker 1: that's premiering December five on the Hallmark Channel. You're listening
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Speaker 1: You know we're not when I look at your career
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Speaker 1: and I look at their ability of relationships, and you know,
15:51
Speaker 1: I always talk about that when I come on money
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Speaker 1: Making Conversations with because you're you're you're an entrepreneur, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of people understand the value of relationships because
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Speaker 1: they said, hey, I just want to make money when
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Speaker 1: you have to make money and all just make sustained money,
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Speaker 1: you have to have relationships, and those are tied to
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Speaker 1: people who respect your work, respect the fact that you
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Speaker 1: show up on time, respect that you deliver what they've
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Speaker 1: requested of you, especially when they paid you to do
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Speaker 1: a certain task. Let's talk about your longevity, because you've
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Speaker 1: done so many different things, and to see that you
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Speaker 1: have this series of Hallmark uh movie series that you've
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Speaker 1: you've created, and because I've been interviewing your last several
16:26
Speaker 1: years about this, let's talk about that and just and
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Speaker 1: then I want to transition to just the whole pandemic
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Speaker 1: and raising the family during the pandemic. Well, um, first
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Speaker 1: of all, thank you for your constant messaging. Your messaging
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Speaker 1: is always so uplifting about I mean, you know, this
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Speaker 1: is what people need to hear. I tell my kids
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Speaker 1: the same thing. It's about relationships. It's about building a
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Speaker 1: little empire. It's not about just go get this money
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Speaker 1: over here and get this money over there. You've got
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Speaker 1: to have a strategy in your life, and the biggest,
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Speaker 1: most important element I think of that strategy should be
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Speaker 1: relationships and how you connect with people. I'm constantly telling
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Speaker 1: my kids that, uh, don't burn bridges you know, just
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Speaker 1: just and stay focused. And and don't I think it
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Speaker 1: was in the intro that Stephen the said, you know,
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Speaker 1: don't know you said it. I think that just don't
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Speaker 1: select the small stuff, like just get your eye on
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Speaker 1: a bigger prize. With Hallmark Channel, It's been a real blessing. Listen,
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Speaker 1: I'm a woman of a certain age. And I only
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Speaker 1: mentioned that because you know, there was a time where
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Speaker 1: a black actress over fifty didn't work that much. And
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Speaker 1: so to be able to bang out all these Hallmark
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Speaker 1: Channel movies and and and I also have a series
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Speaker 1: on Hallmark movies and mysteries called Morning Show Mysteries with
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Speaker 1: Rick Fox, and you know, to be able to do
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I've done, like us close to thirteen
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Speaker 1: movies for them already, and that is a blessing to
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Speaker 1: be able to be in that system over there. I'm
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Speaker 1: always looking out to and then let me involve get
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Speaker 1: involved in casting and like I said, because I producing
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Speaker 1: and storylines and just little things even the coors. Like
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Speaker 1: sometimes I'll you know, be on the set and you know,
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Speaker 1: I'll go to the art department and give them some
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Speaker 1: of my chop with Santa clauses and put some of
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Speaker 1: these up in the background, you know, so things like
18:16
Speaker 1: this little stuff like that, Sean, where you just you
18:20
Speaker 1: get to have a voice. And I think I'm really
18:22
Speaker 1: blessed to be able to say that. But that comes
18:24
Speaker 1: with years of relationships. Have I burned the bridge here
18:27
Speaker 1: and there? Have I had some issues here and there? Yes,
18:29
Speaker 1: But my main goal has been, you know, really having
18:34
Speaker 1: relationships and friendships and nurturing those over the years. Now,
18:40
Speaker 1: like I told you my experience, I have a beautiful wife,
18:42
Speaker 1: I have a lovely daughter who's in a senior year
18:44
Speaker 1: of college, and she's doing virtual and uh and in
18:47
Speaker 1: some ways they zoom. Virtual World has really been a
18:51
Speaker 1: blessing for her because she's more outspoken now it's called
18:54
Speaker 1: her to be a leader on her own her But
18:56
Speaker 1: it has all those has caused us to change our
18:59
Speaker 1: lifestyle had you know, the way we eat. Uh. I
19:02
Speaker 1: remember the first when we was locked down. If I
19:04
Speaker 1: got a light a slight cough, I didn't know if
19:06
Speaker 1: it was a cough due to the weather change, due
19:09
Speaker 1: to you know, some of polling outside, you know, I
19:14
Speaker 1: didn't know, you know, So I'm taking nightcail cough drive,
19:16
Speaker 1: I'm taking everything you know anything, and that shifting my
19:19
Speaker 1: my temperament. I got, I got the I got the thermol.
19:23
Speaker 1: You know, you walk near me, I can just hit
19:24
Speaker 1: you on your forehead and find out your temperature. I
19:27
Speaker 1: had it all Ali, Okay, so now I realized my
19:30
Speaker 1: body is just being my body. But then, you know,
19:33
Speaker 1: I had just my wife and my daughter. You have
19:35
Speaker 1: way more than a husband and and and one of
19:38
Speaker 1: two kids and adults and all that stuff, and then
19:41
Speaker 1: family members and how did you deal with it doing
19:44
Speaker 1: the pandemic as well as maintained the fact that you
19:46
Speaker 1: were going to be exiting to do two movies back
19:49
Speaker 1: to back. Well, listen, I was a little bit of
19:54
Speaker 1: a gangster mom. So my little my son's wanted to
19:57
Speaker 1: you know, oh, can I go over this one's house
19:59
Speaker 1: and that I'm not You're not gonna bring that runa
20:01
Speaker 1: back to me and mess with my bag. That's exactly
20:04
Speaker 1: what I told them. Rashaan, you appreciate this. I was like,
20:07
Speaker 1: let me explain something to you. You go hang out
20:10
Speaker 1: with this guy and then you and you you don't
20:14
Speaker 1: wear a mask or whatever you're bringing home to mama.
20:17
Speaker 1: Then I gotta call production company and say I have
20:20
Speaker 1: the coronavirus, and I can't come to Canada and make
20:23
Speaker 1: these two movies. And then you know that little PC
20:26
Speaker 1: you want that you think that you need to have
20:28
Speaker 1: so badly, that's not coming from Christmas. Like I had
20:30
Speaker 1: to break it down like that, you don't get in
20:34
Speaker 1: mama's bag, don't get in my bag, don't mess up
20:37
Speaker 1: my bag. And so we laughed about it because because
20:40
Speaker 1: they were like, mom, you just they would call me
20:41
Speaker 1: Dr Faulchi. They were like, okay, Dr Fauci, and I
20:44
Speaker 1: was kinda listen, I'm just trying to tell y'all that
20:48
Speaker 1: this your your actions have consequences. So I understand how
20:53
Speaker 1: difficult this is as an eighteen year old. You know,
20:56
Speaker 1: in a fifteen year old and you guys want to
20:58
Speaker 1: go and do things, but you're young and you have
21:01
Speaker 1: a better chance they're surviving and and all that stuff.
21:04
Speaker 1: So I had to paint a bigger, very clear picture
21:07
Speaker 1: for them about the consequences of their action. I got
21:10
Speaker 1: to bring up this one other project that you're doing
21:12
Speaker 1: on television. You've joined the cast of ABC's hit comedy
21:16
Speaker 1: American Housewife now in this fifth season. How did that
21:19
Speaker 1: come about? And again, and you know, you throw out
21:23
Speaker 1: the word over fifty and working with shot, I feel blessed.
21:26
Speaker 1: But talent allows that to happen to and professionalism allows
21:30
Speaker 1: it to happen. And your name as a singer and
21:33
Speaker 1: an actress and an executive producer, I love it tells
21:41
Speaker 1: about American or we're about to go in the comedy.
21:43
Speaker 1: So I had to bring it up. We're going to
21:45
Speaker 1: the comedy American Housewife something you I love you Listen,
21:49
Speaker 1: what were we just talking about American Housewife? No? No, no,
21:53
Speaker 1: I was just saying, like, what were you and I
21:55
Speaker 1: were just talking about relationship? Absolutely, absolutely absolutely, that's what
21:59
Speaker 1: and that to where this came from. So the executive
22:02
Speaker 1: producers showrunners of this show American Housewife, were two guys
22:06
Speaker 1: I worked with on a sitcom years ago and only
22:08
Speaker 1: lasted one season called Like Family. And we had a
22:11
Speaker 1: great We had a great relationship, I remember, because you know,
22:14
Speaker 1: we had a bunch of it was a good show
22:16
Speaker 1: and we ran into a couple of weird Hollywood things,
22:19
Speaker 1: but that we weren't able to continue. But relationships we
22:23
Speaker 1: got along. Well we were you we laughing. They had
22:25
Speaker 1: great you know, they had really great um you know,
22:28
Speaker 1: fond memories of just being on set with me, and
22:30
Speaker 1: then they hit me up and said, hey, what are
22:32
Speaker 1: you doing? And I told him about the Hallmark stuff
22:35
Speaker 1: and and they hit me up and said, hey, um,
22:38
Speaker 1: how do you feel about um coming onto the show.
22:42
Speaker 1: We've had some cash changes and we need to um
22:46
Speaker 1: have you know, just sort of spice it up for
22:48
Speaker 1: the fifth season. Well, I happened to actually really love
22:52
Speaker 1: the show. Is very, very funny. And then I worked
22:55
Speaker 1: before with Katie Mixon, who's the star of the show,
23:00
Speaker 1: and I was She's a barely talented actress. And again
23:03
Speaker 1: relationships we got along super well on Mike and Molly.
23:06
Speaker 1: I was only on that show for thirteen episodes, but um,
23:10
Speaker 1: we vibed. And so it all comes back again. Here
23:13
Speaker 1: we are ten years later from Mike and Molly and
23:16
Speaker 1: like fifteen years from like family. Um, and then these
23:19
Speaker 1: same people are still working and they look back and
23:21
Speaker 1: they go, oh, let's let's let's call Holly and see
23:24
Speaker 1: what she's doing. So I love that. I started this week.
23:27
Speaker 1: I was nervous for Sean. My my comedy muscles were
23:30
Speaker 1: a little active. So you know how that goes. That's
23:34
Speaker 1: a vibe, that's a that's an energy that grew if
23:37
Speaker 1: you gotta get in. So I was very glad to
23:42
Speaker 1: get that going again. But felt very supported by just
23:45
Speaker 1: the actors and the crew and the and the writers.
23:48
Speaker 1: So but but you know, covid is it's a different
23:52
Speaker 1: down here, down in l A coming off of Canada.
23:56
Speaker 1: It's there actually a little bit more strict about everything
23:59
Speaker 1: you touched, every face you touch, every prop you touch.
24:03
Speaker 1: So it is very interesting being unset and it's a
24:05
Speaker 1: little limiting. Um, so you really have to pull out
24:09
Speaker 1: your A game and be ready to go with those
24:11
Speaker 1: cameras roll because that's the only time you can have
24:13
Speaker 1: your mask off. You don't really get proper rehearsal with
24:16
Speaker 1: your co stars. So you gotta bring a step up
24:19
Speaker 1: up to your A game as as much as you can.
24:22
Speaker 1: Congratulations again, Uh Christmas, Doctor hallmar Challengel December five, Christmas
24:27
Speaker 1: and Evergreen the new season the fifth season of America's
24:30
Speaker 1: Housewife on ABC. And how much credit is yours that
24:35
Speaker 1: dynamic young son of yours is taking for the for
24:39
Speaker 1: the world champion Los Angeles Dogs, And how much credit
24:41
Speaker 1: is he taking? Oh my goodness, this boy, it's so happy.
24:49
Speaker 1: I've never seen a happy but I posted on my
24:51
Speaker 1: Instagram his in real time response when that last out
24:55
Speaker 1: was about to last strike. I knew he was gonna
24:57
Speaker 1: lose it. I knew it was about it was about
24:59
Speaker 1: to get it, and so I took the video and
25:01
Speaker 1: it was so good, and then he dropped the F
25:03
Speaker 1: bomb and I was like, oh, shoot that. But you know,
25:06
Speaker 1: he said, that's what you learned in that clubhouse. But
25:09
Speaker 1: he was so excited. You know, Sean, many people know
25:12
Speaker 1: that my son r J, who's twenty three now, when
25:15
Speaker 1: he was three, he was told he would never have
25:17
Speaker 1: meaningful employment and so to be hired by the World
25:21
Speaker 1: Champion Dodgers is a really great thing. And then remember
25:26
Speaker 1: he's had to go through the last five six years
25:29
Speaker 1: working with them with all these get to the championship
25:32
Speaker 1: and not win it. So that's been a stress and
25:36
Speaker 1: you know, hard on him. He's the guy in the
25:38
Speaker 1: clubhouse that gets the room all set up with the champagne,
25:41
Speaker 1: so he's had a couple couple of times he had
25:44
Speaker 1: to role that champagne back and that was so painful
25:48
Speaker 1: for him. Um, but really, you know, this is a
25:50
Speaker 1: group of guys that have embraced him and for him
25:53
Speaker 1: to be able to say, you know, he's are he
25:55
Speaker 1: already has to nationally championship rings and now he gets
25:59
Speaker 1: to get a World Series. Are you walking around like
26:01
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson? Huh, that's what you're doing, you walking all
26:03
Speaker 1: these rings. You know what I'm saying. This guy is like,
26:06
Speaker 1: I mean, I just love it. So I'm so proud
26:08
Speaker 1: of him. I'm grateful to the Dodgers. I'm really always
26:13
Speaker 1: advocating for corporations and other sports teams to hire young people,
26:18
Speaker 1: hire people with autism and special needs and intellectual differences
26:21
Speaker 1: because they can be an amazing employee for you. So please,
26:25
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you have a chance to
26:27
Speaker 1: hire someone, don't um not consider someone who might be
26:33
Speaker 1: on the spectrum or have down syndrome. They might be
26:37
Speaker 1: someplace that will light your workplace up in a way
26:40
Speaker 1: that you just didn't know. They can be a blessing
26:42
Speaker 1: and your bomne to you know, to your bottom line.
26:45
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes even just making sometimes your bottom line
26:51
Speaker 1: increases when you have that kind of diversity in your workplace. Well,
26:54
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's stereotype because of the fact
26:58
Speaker 1: that you know, people on know what they think they
27:01
Speaker 1: know or what they hear, and it can limit the
27:04
Speaker 1: possibility to what an individual can accomplish, can achieve. And
27:08
Speaker 1: and that's why you know your your foundation has been
27:10
Speaker 1: so amazing. I want to read this word for word.
27:13
Speaker 1: The Holly Rod Foundation has recently partnered with other foundations
27:17
Speaker 1: to create Delivering Jobs, an initiative with a goal to
27:20
Speaker 1: create one million jobs for people with autisms, autism, special needs,
27:24
Speaker 1: and other intellectual differences. Tell us about that, and it's
27:28
Speaker 1: because it sounds amazing that it sounds like another major
27:31
Speaker 1: leap forward in your relationship that you built over the years.
27:34
Speaker 1: The foundation, the structure that you and your husband has big.
27:37
Speaker 1: That's what Holly Rod means. Rodney Pete, Holly, Holly Robinson Pete.
27:41
Speaker 1: That's why they get the name Holly Rod Foundation. I've
27:44
Speaker 1: been uh you know, you know, I'm a big proponent.
27:46
Speaker 1: I made my share of donations when it's right, and
27:50
Speaker 1: they got a vaccine coming out there. So I'm assuming
27:52
Speaker 1: we would do it live again in one you know,
27:54
Speaker 1: and my my wife and I would be out there.
27:57
Speaker 1: It's just amazing what you're doing. So talk about this
27:59
Speaker 1: initiative right it, Yes, delivering Jobs is something I'm so
28:03
Speaker 1: proud of Holly Rod partnered with um Best Buddies, Autisms Speak,
28:08
Speaker 1: Special Olympics to do this huge initiative to create a
28:12
Speaker 1: million jobs for these young people. Now, obviously um COVID
28:18
Speaker 1: just changed everybody's plans and so now you know, we're
28:22
Speaker 1: sort of shifting our focus. Maybe it won't be a
28:24
Speaker 1: billion jobs, who knows, maybe it will be less than that.
28:27
Speaker 1: But the idea is to get corporations to get on
28:30
Speaker 1: board with hiring in this part of the community where
28:33
Speaker 1: the unemployment rate is above huvers around. So we have
28:39
Speaker 1: to try to just get people to consider hiring these
28:43
Speaker 1: amazing individuals. Um Every single time I post something on
28:48
Speaker 1: social media or treat something out about Oh thank you
28:52
Speaker 1: Dodgers for giving r J this chance, They all of them,
28:56
Speaker 1: the manager Dave Roberts to all the star players will
28:59
Speaker 1: all hit me back. You go, I want you stop
29:01
Speaker 1: thinking us because we're the ones that needs to thank
29:04
Speaker 1: you for our j. You don't understand when we have
29:06
Speaker 1: hard times that we come in that clubhouse. R J
29:10
Speaker 1: is always tapping us up and chucking it out with
29:12
Speaker 1: us and counting us out, and he's never not in
29:16
Speaker 1: a great mood, and he lifts us up and so
29:20
Speaker 1: so that that is a testament to how these young
29:24
Speaker 1: people can bring not just diversity, but happiness and joy
29:28
Speaker 1: to your workforce. Uh and so and so Yeah, so
29:32
Speaker 1: delivering jobs has been horrific. We just started this initiative recently.
29:36
Speaker 1: And yes, I'm hoping that the pandemic will simmer down
29:40
Speaker 1: and will be able to be back up and running. Uh.
29:44
Speaker 1: We did get hit hard with Holly rod um By
29:47
Speaker 1: by COVID, Uh, really hard. We can't really function at
29:51
Speaker 1: our J's place like we want to UM, which is
29:54
Speaker 1: our Autism center in l A where we help people
29:57
Speaker 1: UM get jobs and connect them with opportunities and training. UM.
30:02
Speaker 1: But you know what we're we We have some beautiful partners.
30:06
Speaker 1: Signa is one of them, and Walgreens some really great
30:10
Speaker 1: partners that have stuck with us even through this lean
30:12
Speaker 1: time that have kept us afloat UM. But yes, hopefully
30:16
Speaker 1: we'll be able to get design Care back up again
30:19
Speaker 1: next year and you and your wife we will come
30:22
Speaker 1: back out and we can get things going. But we
30:24
Speaker 1: got a lot of work to do. Everybody, keep your
30:26
Speaker 1: masks on, stay safe, and you know, remember it's the
30:30
Speaker 1: greater good. We have to do this together to get anyway.
30:34
Speaker 1: And I want to mention you wenttion to word diversity,
30:36
Speaker 1: and I want to give a shout out to Dave Roberts,
30:39
Speaker 1: African American who is the coach, I mean the manager
30:43
Speaker 1: or the world champion in Los Angeles Dodgers. You know
30:45
Speaker 1: there are only two African American managers in Major League Baseball.
30:48
Speaker 1: That's Dave Roberts and Dusty Baker of the Houston Nastros.
30:51
Speaker 1: But more importantly, I'm talking to a friend who has
30:54
Speaker 1: always shown me a high level of professionalism, as always
30:58
Speaker 1: greeted me with respect, always told as an uplift me.
31:01
Speaker 1: She always says, I always the uplifting her. But she's
31:04
Speaker 1: always up to me. And she has too fantastic movie
31:07
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31:11
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31:15
Speaker 1: if you get ready to get your laugh one ready
31:16
Speaker 1: to get your laugh on America's hofwait because she already
31:19
Speaker 1: told me. You know, she had to come in and
31:21
Speaker 1: get wound up a little bit. This in the fifth season.
31:23
Speaker 1: They brought on the show just to get didn't you say,
31:26
Speaker 1: you know they wanted to put a little a little flair,
31:27
Speaker 1: and that's why they brought you up for the show.
31:29
Speaker 1: They wanted to put a little spice. They ain't the
31:30
Speaker 1: work in the word you say spice in the show.
31:34
Speaker 1: Oh okay, cool? You know, like like like Thanksgiving turkey,
31:37
Speaker 1: you know, get that big old, that big old injection
31:39
Speaker 1: and put that garlic in there and put that butt
31:41
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31:44
Speaker 1: and gold, and that's what you're doing right there for
31:45
Speaker 1: American House, my friend, thank you. We're gonna promote again.
31:52
Speaker 1: You know how I do it. Uh, when I run this,
31:54
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop this on YouTube. I'm gonna put it.
31:56
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run the trailer doing our interview and do
31:58
Speaker 1: a split screen on it and put your at your
32:00
Speaker 1: periodically they're to me more photos. So we get this
32:03
Speaker 1: up this weekend to get this promoted for the show
32:04
Speaker 1: coming out. And then I'm on my my for the
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Speaker 1: show just coming out December fifth, and we come out
32:09
Speaker 1: December five. I'm gonna run that trailer and my fan
32:12
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32:14
Speaker 1: you know how I do it. When Holly drops in
32:16
Speaker 1: on Money Make Conversation, we do it big here. Okay, Well,
32:19
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm always so happy to be here.
32:21
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32:23
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32:25
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32:33
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32:40
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32:42
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32:46
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32:49
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32:53
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33:01
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33:03
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36:25
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36:48
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36:52
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36:55
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37:01
Speaker 1: met a couple of times were New York with Today's
37:04
Speaker 1: Show and all those to the things. So I know
37:06
Speaker 1: the difficulties of doing a talk show and people don't
37:10
Speaker 1: understand it. Five days with the preparation. Can you just
37:13
Speaker 1: tell people the difficult nature and the preparation that you
37:17
Speaker 1: have to get into to do affortive two minute show
37:20
Speaker 1: at least five days a week. I mean, I know
37:24
Speaker 1: people are gonna say, are you kidding me? But I'll
37:26
Speaker 1: say it is like preparing for the NBA Finals every day.
37:29
Speaker 1: It is. I mean, it's no joke. You have got
37:34
Speaker 1: to constantly focus on the moment, focus on the guests.
37:40
Speaker 1: It's rewarding because I'm so proud of the conversations that
37:43
Speaker 1: we've been able to have on the show. Um from
37:46
Speaker 1: a frank candidate, conversation about women of color and white women,
37:51
Speaker 1: conversations on being non binary and or what that means,
37:56
Speaker 1: to having Andrew Gellen and his wife Tamar Braxton, all
37:59
Speaker 1: of these different people who come on and open up
38:02
Speaker 1: UM to me, into the show and to the people
38:04
Speaker 1: watching at home. And I think, to your point, it
38:07
Speaker 1: is it is the hardest job I've ever had. I mean,
38:09
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, being at the Today Show for
38:12
Speaker 1: you know, three hours, and then running over and hosting
38:14
Speaker 1: an hour at MSNBC, and then on the weekend shooting
38:17
Speaker 1: deadline crime. I thought that was a difficult package, this
38:21
Speaker 1: daytime talk show because most important, it has my name, UM,
38:25
Speaker 1: and that is my stamp, if you will. That's what
38:28
Speaker 1: people you know, see, it's if something goes right or wrong,
38:31
Speaker 1: it's the tamber Hall Show. And so that bears a
38:33
Speaker 1: big responsibility. Bringing my staff back UM during the pandemic
38:38
Speaker 1: safely and implementing UM safeguards to keep the show back
38:42
Speaker 1: on air. Those are all big responsibilities I never could
38:45
Speaker 1: have prepared myself for because we didn't know we were
38:47
Speaker 1: gonna be in a pandemic. But yes, just at a
38:50
Speaker 1: basic level, as you know, a daytime daily talk show
38:54
Speaker 1: is not the I mean, Oprah has said it to me.
38:56
Speaker 1: We had Tire Banks on the show as well, and
38:59
Speaker 1: they both have commented on just how hard it is
39:03
Speaker 1: and to be a new mom. On top of that,
39:05
Speaker 1: it's growing. Well, you know, let's talk about before we
39:08
Speaker 1: even get more into the talk. So I try to
39:10
Speaker 1: do a little extra research and find interesting things. And
39:13
Speaker 1: I went to your Instagram account and I saw something
39:15
Speaker 1: that said the Purple Leash Project. And you know what
39:19
Speaker 1: exactly is that? Why is that important you because it's
39:21
Speaker 1: on your Instagram account. Yeah, it's it's a partnership that
39:25
Speaker 1: I had earlier, uh this year with Purina. And the
39:30
Speaker 1: concept is we talk a lot about domestic violence as
39:34
Speaker 1: it relates to family and children, and I think to
39:36
Speaker 1: your points, since you've done your research, you know that
39:38
Speaker 1: my sister was the victim of domestic violence. And one
39:41
Speaker 1: of the parts of this crisis that it's not often discussed,
39:46
Speaker 1: are the families who stay or women who stay in
39:49
Speaker 1: homes with abusers because they don't want to leave their
39:52
Speaker 1: beloved pet behind and they stay in this situation. It's
39:57
Speaker 1: difficult to imagine, but it happens on a scale that
40:00
Speaker 1: you could not and would not believe. Right now, there
40:04
Speaker 1: are so many shelters willing to, of course take in
40:06
Speaker 1: women and children, but they don't have the room or
40:09
Speaker 1: the accommodations for pets, and we are working to get
40:13
Speaker 1: the number up to around twenty five percent by the
40:16
Speaker 1: year of the shelters in the country UM, so that
40:23
Speaker 1: they can accommodate people who are fleeing dangerous home and
40:27
Speaker 1: bring their pets with them. I toward you know you
40:29
Speaker 1: talked about this being Texans. I was in Dallas for
40:32
Speaker 1: Worth a couple of years ago and I went to
40:34
Speaker 1: a shelter for families UM and they had an area
40:37
Speaker 1: for the pets. I couldn't believe that it was packed.
40:40
Speaker 1: Each little you know cage had a pet of family
40:43
Speaker 1: member in it, you know, and I say family members
40:46
Speaker 1: because for so many of us, our pets are family members.
40:49
Speaker 1: So I partner with PUNA to bring attention to that
40:53
Speaker 1: component of the domestic violence conversation. And it's really important.
40:58
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to bring it out because I
41:00
Speaker 1: try to bring up things organically and and also you know,
41:04
Speaker 1: this episode is going to add before November thirty. And
41:07
Speaker 1: I noticed a real fun contest about the tam Fam
41:12
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving contests. When you submit a short video on your
41:15
Speaker 1: Instagram account telling Tamra and I have what you're so
41:18
Speaker 1: thankful for and I wanted to promote that in my newsletter.
41:21
Speaker 1: I said, that's so cute. So the reason I like
41:24
Speaker 1: your show so much is that you you you feel organic,
41:26
Speaker 1: and you feel relatable, and that tam Fam thanksgiving contests
41:30
Speaker 1: seems lying and stuff right up there. You know, giving
41:32
Speaker 1: people who need money to two and fifty dollars right
41:35
Speaker 1: now doing the pandemic and no stimulus package is a
41:38
Speaker 1: lot of money right now. Absolutely it is. And you know,
41:42
Speaker 1: and it's for us, any opportunity to share the love
41:45
Speaker 1: and to give people just a little thank you. Obviously,
41:49
Speaker 1: you know you can't bribe viewers to watch. You still
41:51
Speaker 1: have to put on the content and bring the conversation
41:54
Speaker 1: and bring them things that they want to talk about.
41:57
Speaker 1: But for us, any opportunity to mind people that family matters.
42:02
Speaker 1: We were just saying the other day, you know, you
42:04
Speaker 1: won't be able to have dinner with those that you love,
42:08
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean you still can't enjoy a good meal.
42:10
Speaker 1: So we're even doing a recipe, bringing some of your
42:13
Speaker 1: favorite recipes and send it to the camera's Sean making
42:15
Speaker 1: my Mama's banana pudding. I can't be with heart. We
42:21
Speaker 1: know we'll be together soon, and so for us, it's
42:24
Speaker 1: just about having fun what we can, you know, embracing
42:27
Speaker 1: the tough days, but you know, hanging on to the
42:30
Speaker 1: great joyful days as well. Now when you when you
42:33
Speaker 1: talk about family, and that's what Thanksgiving really is all about.
42:36
Speaker 1: And and you see the COVID just flying off the
42:39
Speaker 1: charts right now. And like I had a big celebration
42:42
Speaker 1: I was gonna do with my office. I do it
42:43
Speaker 1: every year. I do a big celebration for my staff,
42:45
Speaker 1: for people in the business in Atlanta and uh and
42:49
Speaker 1: on Monday I was gonna do it that Monday of
42:50
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving them. I told my staff today, I don't think
42:53
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it this year because of COVID and eighteen.
42:56
Speaker 1: How has that? I know you show what virtual but personally,
42:59
Speaker 1: how did it affect to you and how you've been
43:01
Speaker 1: able to give the message out to your to your
43:04
Speaker 1: to your viewers or your to your followers on Instagram.
43:07
Speaker 1: What responsibility you feel you playing all that, Tamra. I mean, well, listen,
43:11
Speaker 1: when our show first halted production mid May because the
43:16
Speaker 1: city shut down, we started doing the show from my
43:18
Speaker 1: home and the entire rest of the season honestly was
43:24
Speaker 1: focused on the pandemic and the crisis and educating people
43:29
Speaker 1: and letting people know that while yes we are a
43:33
Speaker 1: daytime talk show, at my core, I'm a reporter for
43:36
Speaker 1: thirty years. One of the most life changing interviews that
43:40
Speaker 1: I've done was with a woman whose husband they were
43:42
Speaker 1: just recently married, and he went into the barbershop to
43:45
Speaker 1: get a haircut. He contracted COVID and died, and she
43:50
Speaker 1: played with people on our show, please a haircut, a
43:53
Speaker 1: nail appointment is not worth it. And that was just
43:57
Speaker 1: as Atlanta was about to read open gradually against the
44:01
Speaker 1: wishes of the mayor, who was concerned that we didn't
44:05
Speaker 1: know enough about you know, the spread, and that people
44:09
Speaker 1: would be packing into beauty salons and hair salons um
44:13
Speaker 1: And so here was this amazing woman in the midst
44:15
Speaker 1: of her pain, sharing that warning, particularly for African Americans
44:21
Speaker 1: and people of color who were contracting and dying at
44:24
Speaker 1: a disproportionate rate. So those are the parts of the
44:28
Speaker 1: show where the responsibility kicks in and one that we
44:31
Speaker 1: recognize as real. It's really interesting because and you absolutely right,
44:36
Speaker 1: I've been whining the pandemic first hit and like everybody
44:39
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do, tamer And you know,
44:40
Speaker 1: I w went out to home depot. I had had
44:43
Speaker 1: my gloves, I had my parrel, I have my mask,
44:45
Speaker 1: and and when I went into the into the home depot,
44:49
Speaker 1: I didn't know if to uh, do I do I
44:51
Speaker 1: spray the cart that I'm pushing, or when I come out,
44:54
Speaker 1: do I take my gloves off? It really was an
44:56
Speaker 1: uncomfortable moment for me. I just locked in. I just
44:59
Speaker 1: stated my So, now I go out, I'm safely going out,
45:03
Speaker 1: you know. But I'm a lot more comfortable with this
45:05
Speaker 1: new normal that we live in. And I feel that
45:08
Speaker 1: that's what's happening with you guys coming back to work.
45:10
Speaker 1: It's a new normal that we have to live in
45:13
Speaker 1: and deal with. Even though we're not comfortable, we have
45:16
Speaker 1: to deal with that world. And then you're raising the child,
45:18
Speaker 1: and that whole environment is even more scary for you, right, Yeah,
45:23
Speaker 1: you know, but I try to I'm a person of
45:25
Speaker 1: faith also, I'm a person who believes in science like you,
45:30
Speaker 1: you know. But I know that we will get on
45:32
Speaker 1: the other side of this, and I know that, you know,
45:35
Speaker 1: we will be able to look back at it and
45:37
Speaker 1: hopefully become better people, stronger people. With my son's eighteen months,
45:42
Speaker 1: I think about his generation and what we will be
45:45
Speaker 1: able to share with them, um regarding how we survived it,
45:49
Speaker 1: what we learned about ourselves this you know, I know
45:52
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46:00
Speaker 1: that because at the end of the day, this situation
46:03
Speaker 1: made us strip down to what is important, which is
46:07
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Speaker 1: making conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald. Well, let's get
47:17
Speaker 1: to this Emmy and world ward. When you showed that
47:19
Speaker 1: you host the Daytime Emmy and when you won, you know,
47:23
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. I got my two, and I'm
47:26
Speaker 1: proud of my two. I got a couple of UH
47:29
Speaker 1: Image Awards to go along with it. What was your
47:31
Speaker 1: feeling when you wanted to Emmy for informative talk show?
47:35
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I never saw it coming. I never
47:36
Speaker 1: imagined that I was at the home with my fail
47:39
Speaker 1: with you. How it feels. It's like yes, of course
47:42
Speaker 1: your name is Niting. There's a part of you want
47:44
Speaker 1: to win, but you prepare yourself for In my case,
47:47
Speaker 1: it's my first season, there's no way. Um, you know
47:51
Speaker 1: other shows, you know, the view is then it and
47:54
Speaker 1: this one's in it, and there's just that is not
47:56
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So I had accepted just the honor of
47:59
Speaker 1: Vietnam needed in my first season. That's my prize. You
48:03
Speaker 1: know that that was my win. And I had forgotten
48:07
Speaker 1: that it was even on I was home with my mother,
48:10
Speaker 1: she was with us and my husband and my child,
48:12
Speaker 1: and I was getting ready to go to bed because
48:14
Speaker 1: it was late at night. It was virtual, and I
48:16
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm I can't I'm too tired to
48:18
Speaker 1: stay up to watch. And I got a call from
48:21
Speaker 1: my friends and they said, oh, congratulations, emmy winner. And
48:25
Speaker 1: I'm like, whatever, what are you talking about? Like you
48:28
Speaker 1: want I'm like, it's crazy. We're all screaming in my house.
48:33
Speaker 1: It was great. You know, It's just one of those
48:36
Speaker 1: things that happened that you don't expect and it's such
48:39
Speaker 1: a source of pride, but it also reminds you to
48:41
Speaker 1: keep working. You know that that's one stop now let's
48:45
Speaker 1: let's continue, and let's prove that the Emmy you have
48:50
Speaker 1: is one that you've earned and deserve and you just
48:53
Speaker 1: keep going. That's why I compare it to, you know,
48:55
Speaker 1: being in the NBA Finals. If it's one game, you're
48:58
Speaker 1: in and out, but it's a seer and you've got
49:00
Speaker 1: to win the series, and we look at it as
49:02
Speaker 1: winning the series. Congratulations. He was a note. I picked
49:05
Speaker 1: up it at Tamarin Hall. Leaps In fall, the sophomore
49:08
Speaker 1: Talker unleashed the largest leap of all syndicated shows, and
49:12
Speaker 1: the season ending October twenty skyrocket and twenty to a
49:17
Speaker 1: new season high households and shooting up thirty and the
49:20
Speaker 1: Key Women demo that you know, I've been in this game.
49:26
Speaker 1: I know what that means. That that's really you know,
49:28
Speaker 1: you can't ask for to come into the second season
49:32
Speaker 1: with that type of reaction. What are you doing? And
49:35
Speaker 1: is it just uh, what the work you put in
49:37
Speaker 1: doing COVID and not giving up and doing virtual to
49:40
Speaker 1: come back with those type of number twenty percent leap
49:43
Speaker 1: and thirty three percent leap. You know, I think it's
49:46
Speaker 1: a combo of things. I think, first of all, I
49:48
Speaker 1: learned in the first season to lean in, as they
49:51
Speaker 1: say to who I Am, you know again in TV
49:54
Speaker 1: and people will come in and they'll say, Oh, that's
49:57
Speaker 1: a great idea, but let me change you are that
50:00
Speaker 1: it's a great idea, but let's do this. I learned,
50:03
Speaker 1: especially during the pandemic two, own the idea and the
50:08
Speaker 1: intention of the show that I pitched and sold. I'm
50:11
Speaker 1: also lucky that I ended up with Candy Carter as
50:14
Speaker 1: my executive producer. She was the COEP at The View
50:17
Speaker 1: and she worked with Oprah for twenty plus years on
50:21
Speaker 1: the open win for show when it was in Chicago.
50:23
Speaker 1: And so Candy came who by the way, it was
50:25
Speaker 1: introduced to me by Tyler the Perry. She came with
50:28
Speaker 1: such a skill set of storytelling, and she saw the
50:32
Speaker 1: vision and she agreed with the vision of talking with people.
50:35
Speaker 1: We didn't have to, you know, rush in a bunch
50:39
Speaker 1: of tricks and a bunch of things that just didn't
50:42
Speaker 1: resonate or matter. She and I said, we're gonna lean
50:46
Speaker 1: in and we're gonna have a conversation. We're gonna give
50:48
Speaker 1: an entire hour to Andrew Gellum and his wife because
50:52
Speaker 1: people will sit down and watch it. You know, the
50:56
Speaker 1: notion that the attention span is so short that you
50:59
Speaker 1: have to just blood the show with sixteen thousand different topics,
51:02
Speaker 1: and you know, we decided that we were going to
51:06
Speaker 1: bet on the idea that people would sit down for
51:09
Speaker 1: the hour and settle in and watch the show. And
51:13
Speaker 1: we've seen that resonate. We've seen people come in for
51:16
Speaker 1: the Tamar Braxton interview that we did exclusively and watch
51:20
Speaker 1: the entire interview, which was almost forty minutes, because we
51:25
Speaker 1: could have gone on even longer. To be honest with you,
51:27
Speaker 1: how do you have someone on with such a complicated
51:30
Speaker 1: situation and rushed them in three questions and out? And
51:34
Speaker 1: I think that happens far too often. And we decided
51:37
Speaker 1: that that was not going to be the lane we occupy.
51:40
Speaker 1: We were going to challenge the idea that people will
51:44
Speaker 1: sit down and they will have a conversation. It worked
51:47
Speaker 1: out in the kinds of guests we now get. We
51:50
Speaker 1: had Matthew McConaughey on for almost an hour of our
51:53
Speaker 1: show talking about his new memoir and revealing very intimate
51:57
Speaker 1: details about his life because I think people now know
52:00
Speaker 1: this is where I can go and I can have
52:03
Speaker 1: a conversation and also plug whatever I'm working on. But
52:07
Speaker 1: I can actually come and talk, you know, Gabrielle Union,
52:10
Speaker 1: Dennis Quaid, Whoopi goldberg edifil called, Kelly Reeba, Ryan Seacris,
52:15
Speaker 1: Venus Williams. That's a that's when when when I was
52:18
Speaker 1: just talking to my listeners and viewers right now, when
52:21
Speaker 1: I say how difficult it is to go from a
52:23
Speaker 1: Tracy Morgan who was very funny, you know, to a
52:26
Speaker 1: Venus Well which is one of the all time great
52:28
Speaker 1: tennis players too, this is what we're talking about when
52:32
Speaker 1: we say the difficult nature of prepping and being emotionally
52:35
Speaker 1: engaged with your guests. That's the fascinating That's that's that's
52:38
Speaker 1: the most fascinating part about being a daytime talk show
52:41
Speaker 1: Home Correct and being renewed for the third season, cot listen.
52:44
Speaker 1: I felt that same way when I was in, you know,
52:46
Speaker 1: in the news business. Um, which is incredible that you
52:51
Speaker 1: end up, Um, you know what's what's it's it's you
52:56
Speaker 1: can't make your day up. You know, as a reporter,
52:58
Speaker 1: I go in, I know this asignment I'm going to have,
53:01
Speaker 1: but I can't tell you the twist and turns of
53:03
Speaker 1: that assignment, where is it gonna go? And with this show,
53:06
Speaker 1: it's the same way. You know, if that's the exhilarating part.
53:10
Speaker 1: I sometimes I know the question I'm going to ask,
53:12
Speaker 1: but I have no idea how that person is going
53:14
Speaker 1: to answer the question. And that just sets the stage
53:18
Speaker 1: for an exciting day and one that I think I
53:21
Speaker 1: just I leave exhilarated. I leave knowing more than I
53:25
Speaker 1: knew when I went in, and sometimes even being inspired.
53:29
Speaker 1: Many times I should say being inspired. Now you interviewed
53:32
Speaker 1: the Vice person elect Kamala Harris and seeing her her
53:38
Speaker 1: speak before President Elect Joseph Biden, um, move me out
53:45
Speaker 1: of a daughter or have six sisters? I know how
53:48
Speaker 1: powerful and how the black woman or the woman of
53:51
Speaker 1: color can. We expect a lot from you guys, and
53:55
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't get a lot in return, especially in
53:58
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. How moving was it? And just seeing
54:01
Speaker 1: what she's doing, what she's accomplished, what you're accomplishing this
54:05
Speaker 1: hall right now in moving into one? What role do
54:09
Speaker 1: you play? And what role and what what? What opportunity
54:13
Speaker 1: is a compla Harris offered to women of color? Are
54:15
Speaker 1: children of color moving forward? I think so many. I mean,
54:18
Speaker 1: first of all, two black women and two families. Um,
54:24
Speaker 1: it is to see this woman the most powerful woman
54:28
Speaker 1: now in America, a black woman, a woman of color,
54:32
Speaker 1: is huge. This is as monumental, honestly as Barack Obama's
54:39
Speaker 1: ascension to president because cases like Brianna Taylor and Sandra
54:44
Speaker 1: Bland have largely made us feel that black women are
54:49
Speaker 1: not protected, are not heard, are not always valued. And
54:54
Speaker 1: I think seeing her guide her steps with great direction,
54:59
Speaker 1: with great ambition, she's not um, you know, she's a
55:03
Speaker 1: woman who attended an HBCU. She's you know, a k A.
55:08
Speaker 1: All these things that she shines a light on now
55:11
Speaker 1: are incredibly powerful because you know, honestly, the thing that
55:17
Speaker 1: distinguishes her from Barack Obama most is she has lived
55:22
Speaker 1: a Black American experience in an urban city of America,
55:28
Speaker 1: and I think that is powerful. Her relatability is different
55:33
Speaker 1: than his. Both clearly inspiring, but very different. She grew
55:38
Speaker 1: up in Oakland. She went to Howard University, not an
55:43
Speaker 1: IVY League, you know, traditional Ivy League school, but the
55:47
Speaker 1: Ivy League of Black schools, and that is powerful well.
55:52
Speaker 1: Also being a sorority. You remember, like you said, I
55:54
Speaker 1: a k A. I'm a member of maga sci fi.
55:56
Speaker 1: I know you know you go there that is like
55:59
Speaker 1: a kinship, sisterhood of brotherhood, and you know that exists.
56:04
Speaker 1: I mean you know I again, I was a report
56:07
Speaker 1: of many years. When people think fraternity and sorority, they
56:09
Speaker 1: think of a frat house and John Belushi something on
56:13
Speaker 1: a white campus and they're got beer kegs and that
56:16
Speaker 1: this stereotype, not knowing this incredible lineage and legacy that
56:21
Speaker 1: exists within African American HBCUs androority and fraternity. Now would
56:28
Speaker 1: you would you being with the show being renewed for
56:30
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Speaker 1: Amy winner for their first season, moving into a great
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Speaker 1: You know, like you said earlier, being true to your voice.
56:45
Speaker 1: You know you didn't want to be pigeonholed and being
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Speaker 1: told what to do because you know you're learning yourself
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Speaker 1: and as you get through you get more comfortable about
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Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. This is my
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Speaker 1: lane of comfortence. What what is the show for the
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Speaker 1: second season? Moving forward? As it continues to grow you know,
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Speaker 1: I think it's just getting people. We have this catch line,
57:04
Speaker 1: we're talking to the people you're talking about, and that's
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Speaker 1: something that we are embracing and we're leaning in on that.
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Speaker 1: But most important to me and for me is that
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57:23
Speaker 1: They're not getting, you know, this idea that all we
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57:33
Speaker 1: just to be honestly with you, that we are looking
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57:38
Speaker 1: as parents, you know, the human experience is a common thread.
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day. I don't want someone
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Speaker 1: standing in my way. I want inspiration. I want to
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57:54
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Speaker 1: be a better leader. And so that's a big part
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Speaker 1: most of us to be the best. I'm not an
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Speaker 1: inspirational speaker, I'm not a motivational speaker like yourself. But
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Speaker 1: people who are like you and get you on the
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Speaker 1: trying to fix my owner. I'm not there for that.
58:22
Speaker 1: But I am there with my team of producers to
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Speaker 1: bring in writers and and and real people and actors
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Speaker 1: who actually want to come on and have a conversation. Well,
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58:47
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58:51
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Speaker 1: ones I've entered said, I look forward to you replacing me.
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Speaker 1: I've been replaced by some people that who questionable. Well,
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Speaker 1: congratulations for the Emmy on the first season corangratulations with
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Speaker 1: the great ratings start for the second season. Congratulation on
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Speaker 1: the renewed pick up for the third season. Of knowing
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Speaker 1: that you have a future, it only makes you stronger,
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Speaker 1: makes you comfortable. Let the world know and the industry know,
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Speaker 1: they accept the brand of Tamerin Hall. Good luck with
59:29
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59:46
Speaker 1: Bye bye. All right, I appreciate you as well. Bye bye.
59:48
Speaker 1: By next guest. Dr carler Y Tillman. That's right. She's
59:53
Speaker 1: the natural director of the Shop Black Network campaign. Hear
59:56
Speaker 1: me the national director of the Shop Black Network campaign,
1:00:00
Speaker 1: the Historical Community campaign slated to a few hundreds of
1:00:03
Speaker 1: millions into the black community. And in one week period,
1:00:06
Speaker 1: I have on her. I have on the show because
1:00:08
Speaker 1: we need everybody, not just with Sean McDonald, everybody who
1:00:12
Speaker 1: listens to money making conversation. So everybody follows me in
1:00:15
Speaker 1: my particular platform because she's everywhere. I just I was
1:00:18
Speaker 1: just one of the extensions that she's getting used to
1:00:20
Speaker 1: promote this event. The ends on Black Friday is the
1:00:24
Speaker 1: November twenty and ends on November twenty seven. Please working
1:00:28
Speaker 1: the money making conversations for the very first time, but
1:00:30
Speaker 1: not the last time, doctor call er, y Tillman, thank
1:00:35
Speaker 1: you for having me on. I am a little overwhelmed because,
1:00:40
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, tomorrow is the day in which shot
1:00:44
Speaker 1: Black Week starts, which is one week where we're asking
1:00:48
Speaker 1: every American, no matter who you are, older, young, black, white,
1:00:52
Speaker 1: Asian Latino, if you would spend at least thirty five
1:00:56
Speaker 1: dollars with the African American business. With the way we
1:00:59
Speaker 1: caple end of just ten percent of the people participated,
1:01:02
Speaker 1: we can infuse at least a half billion dollars into
1:01:05
Speaker 1: the Black community in one week. Wow. When you say
1:01:08
Speaker 1: let's just let's talk about what is the black community?
1:01:10
Speaker 1: You know, because you know, not all black businesses are
1:01:14
Speaker 1: in black communities. So when you said the black community,
1:01:16
Speaker 1: are you saying the reference in the black household or
1:01:19
Speaker 1: the black community meaning the black neighborhood, Actually, I mean
1:01:22
Speaker 1: both because a lot of the black businesses are in
1:01:27
Speaker 1: the black communities, but I also mean large and small
1:01:30
Speaker 1: businesses are like so any black business, in any definition
1:01:34
Speaker 1: of a black business, at least fifty one percent owned
1:01:36
Speaker 1: by a Black Americ, a black business owner. And so
1:01:40
Speaker 1: we were like that to be our definition. So Dr Tilman,
1:01:44
Speaker 1: where you located at? We're a real national campaign, but
1:01:49
Speaker 1: headquarter I am personally located right now in Dallas, Texas. Dallas, Texas.
1:01:54
Speaker 1: I'm in Houston, Texas. So I can feel a certain
1:01:57
Speaker 1: amount of confort and kinship, you know, even though you
1:02:00
Speaker 1: to forty five I mean forty five North two and
1:02:02
Speaker 1: forty miles from Houston, Texas. And that's hot Dallas, Hot Dallas.
1:02:06
Speaker 1: So the thing about it, I've spent a lot of
1:02:08
Speaker 1: time in Dallas, and uh you know, Steve Harvey uh
1:02:11
Speaker 1: was based there before we went to l A. And uh,
1:02:14
Speaker 1: so we should go back and forth and do comedy shows.
1:02:17
Speaker 1: They're looking at the black population. Black people have always
1:02:20
Speaker 1: contributed into entertainment dollars. They've always supported entertainment. Now you're
1:02:26
Speaker 1: making the shift saying not only support black entertainment, but
1:02:29
Speaker 1: actually support black entrepreneurs. What made you and what compelled
1:02:34
Speaker 1: you to develop this campaign? Well, as you mentioned, one
1:02:38
Speaker 1: of the things I did notice, and just to give
1:02:40
Speaker 1: a little history lesson, when b ET started, black entertainers
1:02:45
Speaker 1: even was not considered equal to, or even athletes was
1:02:48
Speaker 1: not considered equal to. And so what happened was BT
1:02:51
Speaker 1: gave it a platform in which you got used to
1:02:54
Speaker 1: seeing black entertainers on television, and black athletes and television.
1:02:58
Speaker 1: So now they're considered may stream and it's normal to
1:03:01
Speaker 1: consider uh athlete are a entertainer equal to anyone else.
1:03:06
Speaker 1: And when it comes to businesses, we still have that
1:03:08
Speaker 1: stigma that we are not equal to. And so even
1:03:12
Speaker 1: when you talk to African American with black people, when
1:03:16
Speaker 1: you talk to black people and they go to a
1:03:18
Speaker 1: black business, they look at it as a special experience
1:03:21
Speaker 1: as opposed to something normal, because we have a normalized
1:03:24
Speaker 1: supporting black business the way we have supporting black entertainers.
1:03:28
Speaker 1: That's exactly true. Here's something interesting, you know, I feel
1:03:31
Speaker 1: that you know, has been an amazing awakening for white
1:03:35
Speaker 1: amer especially it became to black I just bought a business,
1:03:39
Speaker 1: brought the building in Atlanta, Georgia, and I went to
1:03:42
Speaker 1: my Google Google allows you to create a directory for
1:03:46
Speaker 1: your business, and it gave me the option to click
1:03:48
Speaker 1: if I was a black owned business. Never had not
1:03:51
Speaker 1: seen that before. I remember in two when I was
1:03:55
Speaker 1: unfortunately participant when I said participant of the person who
1:03:58
Speaker 1: had to share the Rodney Keen experience in law sayingers
1:04:00
Speaker 1: black people was putting up sides black owned, black owned
1:04:03
Speaker 1: because they didn't want their business to be be ripped
1:04:06
Speaker 1: apart of torn down. So now that's say move forward
1:04:09
Speaker 1: and they have Google say, look, we want to recognize
1:04:12
Speaker 1: your business because it's black owned. What do you say
1:04:15
Speaker 1: about that? And what does that say about blacks finally
1:04:18
Speaker 1: being recognized for being entrepreneurs? Um? Well, how can I
1:04:23
Speaker 1: say this time? One of the things if you look
1:04:29
Speaker 1: historically at any so called campaign that was created to
1:04:32
Speaker 1: help black people, if you really look at what that
1:04:35
Speaker 1: campaign did, the likelihood of them actually helping the black
1:04:38
Speaker 1: community or the black people they were trying to help
1:04:41
Speaker 1: is pretty close to nil. I've actually never known a
1:04:44
Speaker 1: campaign or even for example, when I saw the housing
1:04:47
Speaker 1: market rise of years ago where they relaxed a lot
1:04:49
Speaker 1: of the requirements to purchase homes and every black persons
1:04:54
Speaker 1: like I'm heading on this, and I said, wait, wait, wait,
1:04:56
Speaker 1: I'm not getting on this because I've never seen people
1:04:59
Speaker 1: just really have helped black people that way. As soon
1:05:03
Speaker 1: as everybody jumped in on it, and that's when the
1:05:05
Speaker 1: market fell and most of the people I knew lost
1:05:07
Speaker 1: their homes because I knew. I said, I've never seen
1:05:10
Speaker 1: a campaign where they just openly helped black people. And
1:05:13
Speaker 1: so when it comes to business as well, I'm really
1:05:15
Speaker 1: looking at this is how much are they helping or
1:05:18
Speaker 1: how much are they taking advantage of what's happening in
1:05:20
Speaker 1: the community to see if they could come in and
1:05:22
Speaker 1: just capitalize on from it. Say, for example, and I
1:05:26
Speaker 1: do want to say this because there's an article author
1:05:28
Speaker 1: the news about TikTok joining words with Shopify to be
1:05:33
Speaker 1: able to come in and do something all the shot
1:05:35
Speaker 1: black Week. We had already did a shot black the
1:05:37
Speaker 1: year before and we made it go viral national and
1:05:40
Speaker 1: they literally named their campaign shot Black Week. But it
1:05:43
Speaker 1: really was just to get black people to sign up
1:05:46
Speaker 1: with Shopify, right, and that that that which takes a
1:05:49
Speaker 1: percentage of money that they would make. Yes, no, no,
1:05:52
Speaker 1: they talked about let's back in a little bit. I
1:05:54
Speaker 1: understand that, you know, you know you started in twining
1:05:56
Speaker 1: the team, which is last year. You know, you weren't
1:05:58
Speaker 1: the person that just jumped on the rade. You had
1:06:00
Speaker 1: a vision and it just and it got magnified and
1:06:03
Speaker 1: and because of COVID and zoom and we've all are
1:06:07
Speaker 1: I think black people are more technically technically technology savvy
1:06:11
Speaker 1: than ever before in the history. Their phone has become
1:06:14
Speaker 1: more than just taking pictures and making phone call and
1:06:17
Speaker 1: texting people. It actually has become the device that everybody
1:06:20
Speaker 1: uses as is that their financial device. Is there is
1:06:23
Speaker 1: there is there? Uh, it creates financial literature. Your phone
1:06:26
Speaker 1: can actually do your banking, your phone can actually pay
1:06:29
Speaker 1: your bills, your phone can actually order you food. And
1:06:32
Speaker 1: that has not always been the way it's been used
1:06:33
Speaker 1: in the past. So let's go back to twenty and eighteen.
1:06:36
Speaker 1: Let's let's go back doctor. Like Jim, you know, before
1:06:40
Speaker 1: you had this was a This was a major undertaking
1:06:43
Speaker 1: to say that, you know, everybody has a good idea,
1:06:46
Speaker 1: but when does a good idea become reality? Let's talk
1:06:48
Speaker 1: let's walk through those steps. Well, what I what happened
1:06:52
Speaker 1: was I had a long history working in I T
1:06:55
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, from the dockstays, I literally
1:06:59
Speaker 1: worked all of through I T and so I really
1:07:02
Speaker 1: understood the power of technology and developing technology and how
1:07:05
Speaker 1: much technology can change and impact things. And so in
1:07:09
Speaker 1: doing that, I had to teach people how to not
1:07:11
Speaker 1: only build the technology, but then how do you get
1:07:13
Speaker 1: everybody to use it? Or if you build a website,
1:07:15
Speaker 1: how do you get people to come to the website.
1:07:17
Speaker 1: So I learned marketing in that sense, and I realized
1:07:20
Speaker 1: I had a natural, natural knick, natural guilt, let's just
1:07:25
Speaker 1: say that, at marketing and getting things to go viral
1:07:29
Speaker 1: and getting things to go big. And I said, why
1:07:31
Speaker 1: don't I take this opportunity to see if I could
1:07:33
Speaker 1: just do this for my own people? Since I have
1:07:35
Speaker 1: this gift, why not use it? And so, as I,
1:07:38
Speaker 1: you know, pull the team together, I was explaining to them, Okay,
1:07:40
Speaker 1: I know there's been a lot of Black Weeks here
1:07:43
Speaker 1: in black restaurant weeks and by black, but we need
1:07:46
Speaker 1: every American to do this. And if we get every
1:07:49
Speaker 1: American to do it now, it becomes a movement and
1:07:52
Speaker 1: it becomes something that people look forward to and changes
1:07:55
Speaker 1: people lives, impact the actual lives of individuals, right, And so, Okay,
1:08:01
Speaker 1: now you got the emotion now that you said I
1:08:05
Speaker 1: you went Dows BO. That's that's that's how I only
1:08:08
Speaker 1: thing older than Dows is for training, I went back
1:08:10
Speaker 1: to four train. So you know, okay, I'm not trying
1:08:15
Speaker 1: to aid for us LF to that. Okay, all programming
1:08:20
Speaker 1: for a train. And so so when you look at
1:08:22
Speaker 1: the putting it in position to be recognized nationally, because
1:08:26
Speaker 1: I always always look at when you say it went viral,
1:08:29
Speaker 1: I always look at small ideas to become big ideas,
1:08:32
Speaker 1: and how do you get the word out? I guess
1:08:34
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying at this point. DR. So what
1:08:37
Speaker 1: I did is I understood the difference between the natural
1:08:42
Speaker 1: marketing in the corporate in corporate America as opposed to
1:08:45
Speaker 1: marketing the black people. And I know a lot of
1:08:47
Speaker 1: times when corporate America want to get the word out
1:08:49
Speaker 1: to black people, that usually create alliances with churches, for example,
1:08:53
Speaker 1: in the community, because they understand churches have already built
1:08:55
Speaker 1: that relationship. So what I decided to do is kind
1:08:58
Speaker 1: of right on that ideal. Stead of just trying to
1:09:00
Speaker 1: do a lot of marketing in general, what we did
1:09:03
Speaker 1: is we just recruited organizations that had either small basis
1:09:06
Speaker 1: or large basis of memberships. So it could be the
1:09:09
Speaker 1: Sisters with Natural Hair, It could be you know, the
1:09:12
Speaker 1: National Black Change of Chamber of Commerce. It could be,
1:09:15
Speaker 1: you know, the Concerned Black Men of America. It could
1:09:19
Speaker 1: be any organization. I had a base and we explained
1:09:22
Speaker 1: to them what we were doing and saying, well, you
1:09:24
Speaker 1: joined us and joined the other people. So as we
1:09:26
Speaker 1: start to grow, we say, thirty organizations come together that
1:09:29
Speaker 1: will be historical. And then it was like, oh my goodness, seventy.
1:09:32
Speaker 1: Then it was like a hundred, and it just kept going.
1:09:35
Speaker 1: And so if you took the membership base, the followers
1:09:37
Speaker 1: and the member whoever was involved, so on socially with
1:09:41
Speaker 1: these organizations that represented one point five million people, but
1:09:45
Speaker 1: we could say asked them if they could just ask
1:09:48
Speaker 1: all of their friends to support it. So it's more
1:09:50
Speaker 1: of a grass roots movement as opposed to trying to
1:09:53
Speaker 1: go from the top down. We went from the bottom up.
1:09:56
Speaker 1: And that's why when TikTok did it, I knew by
1:09:59
Speaker 1: them just doing a bunch of press releases that it
1:10:01
Speaker 1: wasn't going to have the same impact. Now let's talk
1:10:04
Speaker 1: about more than just you you know, this is a
1:10:06
Speaker 1: US is your vision, but there are an organization that
1:10:08
Speaker 1: businesses and vendors that are involved. How did you pull
1:10:12
Speaker 1: those people involved? How did you take a brand an
1:10:15
Speaker 1: idea and start getting them on board or being a participant. Well,
1:10:22
Speaker 1: the first thing was to come up with the platform,
1:10:24
Speaker 1: the technology platform in which we'll do it, because we
1:10:26
Speaker 1: have to have the the other way to implement it,
1:10:29
Speaker 1: so you have to have a system in place. So
1:10:31
Speaker 1: once we got that in place, we were able to
1:10:33
Speaker 1: get the message out. And the first thing we needed
1:10:35
Speaker 1: to do is to recruit the organizations because that was
1:10:38
Speaker 1: what was going to give us the power. Once we
1:10:40
Speaker 1: got the organizations, then the next thing to do is
1:10:42
Speaker 1: who else will support this That you don't necessarily have
1:10:45
Speaker 1: to be a business. You could just be a person
1:10:46
Speaker 1: that supported maybe bring on some of the politicians and
1:10:49
Speaker 1: other people that would just be in support of this.
1:10:51
Speaker 1: Then the last thing to do was to bring in
1:10:53
Speaker 1: the businesses because we in order to sell it to
1:10:55
Speaker 1: the business you have to be able to have something
1:10:57
Speaker 1: they could buy into. And then the last piece of
1:11:00
Speaker 1: that was the media piece. How do we make it
1:11:02
Speaker 1: go viral? So it's a strategic thing. Starting with shares
1:11:06
Speaker 1: online starting with press, allowing the press to build a
1:11:10
Speaker 1: lot of interviews, a lot of podcasts, and then once
1:11:13
Speaker 1: one picked it up, another picked it up. And as
1:11:16
Speaker 1: far as what we know, at least a thousand entities
1:11:19
Speaker 1: covered this from country Western stations, the Latino UH Latin
1:11:25
Speaker 1: radio television. Basically, I can't think of anybody who didn't
1:11:29
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Speaker 1: the face of the brand? No? Actually, if you look
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Speaker 1: at the early press, I tried to leave my name
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Speaker 1: this day I still don't understand how you can make
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Speaker 1: something negative out of supporting of black business, but of
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Speaker 1: just here that statement you just said to was that
1:13:32
Speaker 1: pushback was there? Like why are you doing this? Why
1:13:35
Speaker 1: you know black people? Black people, they're not gonna, they're
1:13:37
Speaker 1: not they unorganized. A lot of negative things come out
1:13:40
Speaker 1: of when you start trying to do business with black people.
1:13:43
Speaker 1: They're stereotypical and something else. Reality talked to us about that. Um, well,
1:13:49
Speaker 1: it depends on what side you were looking at it from.
1:13:52
Speaker 1: Just take it to the Black Lives Matter movie for example.
1:13:54
Speaker 1: How can just saying a black life matters could be
1:13:58
Speaker 1: a negative thing to anybody? Right, we just want to
1:14:00
Speaker 1: say we matter, But then some people say, well that's
1:14:02
Speaker 1: not right, you can't say that, and so they turn
1:14:05
Speaker 1: it into a negative. So it's the same thing is
1:14:07
Speaker 1: will you just take time to support a black business,
1:14:09
Speaker 1: Because what even black people don't understand is white people
1:14:12
Speaker 1: have mastered the ideal of white being normal. So if
1:14:16
Speaker 1: you go to a white business or spend with a
1:14:17
Speaker 1: white business, that's considered what I do normal. And so
1:14:21
Speaker 1: if I ask you to do something to with a
1:14:22
Speaker 1: black business, now it's a special you know, diversification program
1:14:26
Speaker 1: or outreach program. Let's do something different as opposed to
1:14:29
Speaker 1: it just being normal. And so we realized with that idea,
1:14:32
Speaker 1: we had to create it as a special thing. Let's
1:14:35
Speaker 1: make it special. Let's go and you know, support African
1:14:38
Speaker 1: American businesses. And so I'm trying to not interchange. I
1:14:42
Speaker 1: want to say black businesses. So with black businesses, uh,
1:14:47
Speaker 1: people would just the world black in it of itself
1:14:49
Speaker 1: would make you say, well, why a black business and
1:14:51
Speaker 1: why can't we support and this has to be a
1:14:53
Speaker 1: racist movement, and it just became every negative connotation. So
1:14:57
Speaker 1: even recently I looked online and a lot of black
1:15:00
Speaker 1: people even feel, well, why can't we shop black every day?
1:15:03
Speaker 1: So we're not saying don't shop black every day, like
1:15:06
Speaker 1: when you say black lives matter, we're not saying other
1:15:08
Speaker 1: lives don't matter. We're just saying this week, let's try
1:15:11
Speaker 1: to make history. Let's trying to infuse a lot of
1:15:13
Speaker 1: money into the community and get everybody, you know, also
1:15:16
Speaker 1: to support black businesses and everybody that's not black to
1:15:20
Speaker 1: also support black businesses. So that way we can make
1:15:23
Speaker 1: a difference, because the point is that a lot of
1:15:25
Speaker 1: people are gonna start spending money on Black Friday to
1:15:28
Speaker 1: the point where they're literally almost killed themselves trying to
1:15:30
Speaker 1: give that money away. So we were trying to capture
1:15:33
Speaker 1: that money the week before they were going to go
1:15:35
Speaker 1: out and start giving it away from a holiday season.
1:15:37
Speaker 1: So if we haven't happened the week before, and you
1:15:39
Speaker 1: can see all of the toys and the gifts and
1:15:41
Speaker 1: the clothes and jewelry items and all those things, then
1:15:45
Speaker 1: you said, Okay, now I kind of know where I'm
1:15:47
Speaker 1: gonna get my Christmas items from and not just support
1:15:50
Speaker 1: this week. So that's a masterful way we're trying to
1:15:52
Speaker 1: get you to look at it as a normal thing. Well,
1:15:54
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about what what annoys me from the
1:15:57
Speaker 1: standpoint of what you were saying, not saying what you
1:16:00
Speaker 1: were saying, but like American Express, American Express has made
1:16:04
Speaker 1: a brand of pushing small businesses and entrepreneurs, spend your
1:16:09
Speaker 1: money with small business doing the black fly the run
1:16:13
Speaker 1: for years, at least the last ten years, I can
1:16:15
Speaker 1: accurately say, and you're just saying, Look, nobody gave any
1:16:18
Speaker 1: pushback to American Express when they were doing it. Now
1:16:21
Speaker 1: you're doing the same thing with black business and start
1:16:23
Speaker 1: my support same thing that American Express has been saying
1:16:26
Speaker 1: for years, but now you're getting pushed back. So why
1:16:29
Speaker 1: you have to shopping the black business Because black businesses
1:16:31
Speaker 1: need recognition. I remember when I started the Neighborhood Awards.
1:16:34
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I started was just to give
1:16:36
Speaker 1: black business recognition in the community because a lot of
1:16:39
Speaker 1: black businesses are successful of black people, but we're getting
1:16:42
Speaker 1: our car and drive out of the black neighborhood and
1:16:45
Speaker 1: support a business that doesn't really function or bring revenue
1:16:48
Speaker 1: back into your community, which means that people who work
1:16:50
Speaker 1: live in your community have to go outside of the
1:16:53
Speaker 1: community to live. When if you were spending your money
1:16:55
Speaker 1: within the community gainst what, they wouldn't have to drive
1:16:57
Speaker 1: so far and they would building better, taxpaying opportunity to
1:17:01
Speaker 1: schools to get better. And that's basically what you're saying
1:17:04
Speaker 1: now with the Shop Black Shop, And that's why it
1:17:08
Speaker 1: ends on November twenty seven, that day Black Friday. Black
1:17:12
Speaker 1: people doing their thing on a Black Friday on Black
1:17:15
Speaker 1: Shop Week. So let me just address one of the
1:17:19
Speaker 1: things that you said. One of the things that you
1:17:21
Speaker 1: said is that when other people come in, like when
1:17:23
Speaker 1: TikTok came in or whitemoret is coming, they're doing something.
1:17:25
Speaker 1: Amazon is doing something, and they're all trying to do
1:17:28
Speaker 1: something for the black community, you rarely see anybody saying
1:17:30
Speaker 1: anything negative about it. But soon as you do or
1:17:32
Speaker 1: do for yourself or save ourselves type of campaign, it's like, well,
1:17:36
Speaker 1: what are you doing and what we need to understand
1:17:39
Speaker 1: and know more about what you're doing because we have
1:17:41
Speaker 1: never been given permission to save ourselves. We've always had
1:17:44
Speaker 1: to have help. You come help us, and we have
1:17:47
Speaker 1: a hand out of get in line, and you do that.
1:17:49
Speaker 1: But if you say no, no, no, we want to
1:17:50
Speaker 1: help ourselves, then now that becomes a problem and people
1:17:53
Speaker 1: look at it a little differently. So that actually has
1:17:56
Speaker 1: been a long standing issue for a lot of things
1:17:58
Speaker 1: that we do well. Because what are you seeing like
1:18:01
Speaker 1: a very powerful person? You seem like we all you're articulate.
1:18:05
Speaker 1: Dr Tilman. When I look at the fact you said, Rashan,
1:18:08
Speaker 1: I'm interviewing you the day before your launch. What makes
1:18:11
Speaker 1: it so? What is the launch process? You know, making
1:18:15
Speaker 1: sure the technologies there, all the accounts that entrepreneurs they
1:18:18
Speaker 1: said they want to be a participant, and making sure
1:18:21
Speaker 1: the band with us there so the site won't crash.
1:18:24
Speaker 1: What makes it busy for you before the launch? Wow, uh,
1:18:30
Speaker 1: it's it's the same thing. We still have to do
1:18:33
Speaker 1: a lot of the grassroots things. We've got to reach
1:18:35
Speaker 1: out one on one to all of the organization needs,
1:18:38
Speaker 1: all of the media that we get. There's a lot
1:18:40
Speaker 1: of interviews as you can see in the process. We're
1:18:43
Speaker 1: talking about radio, television, podcast, newspapers, blogs, magazines, anything that
1:18:49
Speaker 1: you can think of. We're trying to get the word
1:18:51
Speaker 1: out so we reach every audience that we can, and
1:18:54
Speaker 1: we're trying to make sure everybody understands what they ask
1:18:56
Speaker 1: is because I even had someone recently changed the whole
1:18:59
Speaker 1: thing when they wrote the article to say we were
1:19:02
Speaker 1: asking people to only support us, or to or to
1:19:05
Speaker 1: black out these days and all this other stuff, and
1:19:07
Speaker 1: we're not asking you to do anything but a simple
1:19:10
Speaker 1: ask just to make sure you make at least one
1:19:12
Speaker 1: purchase from Black Business, and then we're asking you the
1:19:15
Speaker 1: hashtag shot black week after you make that purchase and
1:19:18
Speaker 1: then tell them, hey, I made a purchase from UH Incomfortable,
1:19:22
Speaker 1: for example, is one of the business as listed, which
1:19:24
Speaker 1: is a doctor black doctor owned watch company, jewelry company,
1:19:28
Speaker 1: the only one in America out of Houston, Texas. That's
1:19:31
Speaker 1: where I mentioned him and so uh and so one
1:19:34
Speaker 1: of the things we're doing is and hey, if you're
1:19:35
Speaker 1: gonna get a nice gift for somebody, why don't you
1:19:37
Speaker 1: do that. I got this, take a picture of an
1:19:39
Speaker 1: hashtag and let everybody know where you got it from.
1:19:42
Speaker 1: So now they know, oh, I can go there and
1:19:43
Speaker 1: get a watch. So helped spread the word that way
1:19:46
Speaker 1: get ends on Friday, Black Friday, November between your self
1:19:50
Speaker 1: and what happens after that. Well, one of the things
1:19:53
Speaker 1: that we're also doing is in conjunction with this week,
1:19:56
Speaker 1: we're also starting to sponsor something called All Black Home
1:20:00
Speaker 1: Shopping Experience. Okay, I was gonna get to it, which
1:20:07
Speaker 1: is a television show that spotlights a lot of businesses
1:20:10
Speaker 1: that we have, so that after the week is over,
1:20:13
Speaker 1: you're talking about now we're doing a special holiday edition.
1:20:16
Speaker 1: What kind of gifts can I you know, purchase And
1:20:19
Speaker 1: after that we can focus if it's Mother's Day, what
1:20:22
Speaker 1: kind of gifts can we get for Mother's Day or
1:20:24
Speaker 1: if it's just any other day, what are the restaurants
1:20:27
Speaker 1: that you can support? So we're also trying to to
1:20:30
Speaker 1: to kind of move it past shop Black Week. Now
1:20:32
Speaker 1: you're thinking more Okay, let me be more conscious of
1:20:35
Speaker 1: a black business. But then where do I find them?
1:20:37
Speaker 1: Where did I go? Last year, there was a big
1:20:40
Speaker 1: debate online with white professional financial professionals to say, what
1:20:45
Speaker 1: what is what would happen if white people and black
1:20:48
Speaker 1: people come together all supported black businesses? World would happen
1:20:51
Speaker 1: if it's only for a week, if it went beyond
1:20:53
Speaker 1: the weekend. They did the whole thing and one of
1:20:55
Speaker 1: the experts said, that's the problem. If it's just what week,
1:20:58
Speaker 1: how impactful can it be? And these to go beyond
1:21:00
Speaker 1: a week? But I understand that a week, Uh, well,
1:21:03
Speaker 1: we actually could change a lot of people aves to
1:21:05
Speaker 1: be honest with you, but if you can go in
1:21:08
Speaker 1: and at least meet that person eat at that restaurant,
1:21:10
Speaker 1: you could say, now I have a regular restaurant, I
1:21:12
Speaker 1: could eat that. So that's the point is just to
1:21:14
Speaker 1: get you started. But if you don't create it and
1:21:17
Speaker 1: make some type of gimmick key I didn't want to
1:21:21
Speaker 1: use that word but some kind of gimmick out of it,
1:21:23
Speaker 1: you won't be able to get the kind of hype
1:21:25
Speaker 1: behind it like I did. So I knew I had
1:21:26
Speaker 1: to have a gimmick in order to get the word
1:21:28
Speaker 1: out that I would know. You kind of threw it
1:21:32
Speaker 1: out there. I got excited that we're talking about the
1:21:34
Speaker 1: shopping channel. Now do you say the word channel? Is it?
1:21:38
Speaker 1: Is it something that's going to happen. Is it's still
1:21:40
Speaker 1: in theory. Is its streaming? Is it? Uh? Cable talk
1:21:45
Speaker 1: to us about that, because that's I've been waiting on that.
1:21:47
Speaker 1: I think it's long overdue. You know, Black people love
1:21:50
Speaker 1: the shop, All people love the shop, but a channel.
1:21:54
Speaker 1: I thought BT should have done it. I thought TV
1:21:57
Speaker 1: one should have done it. Now you just threw it
1:21:59
Speaker 1: out God, rish A. McDonald excited. Tell us to more
1:22:03
Speaker 1: detail about that, more detail. So it's actually a television show.
1:22:07
Speaker 1: It's not an actual channel. So we are partnering with
1:22:10
Speaker 1: other channels who will be streaming it. I should have
1:22:13
Speaker 1: headed in front of me right now. Everybody to tell you.
1:22:15
Speaker 1: But you can go to shop like with dot org
1:22:17
Speaker 1: and we'll have that information for you. But what we
1:22:20
Speaker 1: wanted to do is have a broadcast live as well
1:22:22
Speaker 1: as stream as well as on our own online so
1:22:25
Speaker 1: that no matter where you go and you can find
1:22:26
Speaker 1: that information and people can start to share that information
1:22:29
Speaker 1: as well, and hopefully we'll get to the point where
1:22:32
Speaker 1: we got a whole season together and then we can
1:22:33
Speaker 1: get it on bigger platforms. So it's kind of kind
1:22:36
Speaker 1: of almost maybe, uh, but in a different way because
1:22:39
Speaker 1: we're trying to infuse a lot of things together. But
1:22:42
Speaker 1: if you remember the show that t Pain did, we
1:22:44
Speaker 1: wrent around the country and spotlighted some of the black businesses.
1:22:47
Speaker 1: I thought that was a very powerful thing to do,
1:22:49
Speaker 1: but you only got three black businesses that episode. That
1:22:51
Speaker 1: could really kind of get that focus and uh and
1:22:54
Speaker 1: and of course uh with Killer Mike that kind of
1:22:58
Speaker 1: did something from Netflix where he did it. So all
1:23:01
Speaker 1: all of us come together is kind of bringing a
1:23:02
Speaker 1: little bit more attention to the business world. But just
1:23:05
Speaker 1: because that's my gift from how I make things go viral,
1:23:08
Speaker 1: understanding that if you highlight the magnitude of the important
1:23:13
Speaker 1: things we're done, and just the first episode will show
1:23:15
Speaker 1: you that we're doing big things, and then there's some
1:23:18
Speaker 1: amazing things that you can get that you can't even
1:23:20
Speaker 1: find anywhere else inside or outside of the Black community
1:23:22
Speaker 1: that we have to offer. And so you highlight those
1:23:25
Speaker 1: things and make people more aware and now you can
1:23:27
Speaker 1: start to to focus and branch out and bring more
1:23:30
Speaker 1: and more attention to more and more business. Well, she's
1:23:32
Speaker 1: Dr Caller Y Tillman. She is the national director to
1:23:36
Speaker 1: Shop Black Week campaign that starts November twenty it ends
1:23:39
Speaker 1: on Black Friday. Black Friday is November twenty seven. And
1:23:42
Speaker 1: thank you for and so because if they see this
1:23:50
Speaker 1: after is I want them to know it will be
1:23:52
Speaker 1: the Friday before Black Friday and then it ends on
1:23:54
Speaker 1: Black Friday. Thanks allot keep going oh no, no saying
1:23:59
Speaker 1: articular and that make sure everybody knows you're the national
1:24:02
Speaker 1: director the Shop Black. The Shop Black Week campaign is
1:24:07
Speaker 1: if don't into the twenty seventh in the year and
1:24:12
Speaker 1: each year it would be the Friday before and then
1:24:14
Speaker 1: end on Black Friday each year. Okay, cool, You couldn't
1:24:18
Speaker 1: said it any better. Thank you for coming on money
1:24:20
Speaker 1: making conversations. And I will put it in my social media,
1:24:23
Speaker 1: put in my newsletter because again you all the face
1:24:26
Speaker 1: of a brand that's growing, in this brand that's definitely needed.
1:24:28
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the respect, the fact that you know,
1:24:31
Speaker 1: sometimes when you come up with a good idea of
1:24:32
Speaker 1: people push back on you. And it's when you push
1:24:34
Speaker 1: through the negative spirit of people go why are you
1:24:36
Speaker 1: doing that? And I'm sure you got a lot of that,
1:24:38
Speaker 1: and nobody's gonna that's not ever gonna go to a
1:24:41
Speaker 1: level that you expect. And guess what you're doing. You're
1:24:44
Speaker 1: changing lives because guess what those businesses that need your support,
1:24:47
Speaker 1: they need advertising, they don't have Adverte thousand dollars and
1:24:50
Speaker 1: the fact that you're doing in the year of COVID,
1:24:51
Speaker 1: and we know black businesses have been effective more than
1:24:54
Speaker 1: any business. They didn't get p P P loans, a
1:24:56
Speaker 1: lot of things didn't happen for black businesses that happened
1:24:59
Speaker 1: for on market businesses because of your program. It did
1:25:02
Speaker 1: not go away. It was launched in twenty eight and
1:25:05
Speaker 1: now it's going strongly and it will always be the
1:25:08
Speaker 1: Black Friday, which after Thanksgiving every year moving forward. Correct,
1:25:12
Speaker 1: did I get it right? There? Friday before Black Friday Friday?
1:25:17
Speaker 1: There you go. I want to make sure I got it.
1:25:18
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Speaker 1: Degree of Masses at Duke. I got several friends who
1:29:53
Speaker 1: are very successful graduates of university, not just from athletics
1:29:57
Speaker 1: but academic side. How has that been a for you
1:30:00
Speaker 1: to have to basically master both wearlds, both worlds. Um,
1:30:05
Speaker 1: it's been great. It's been great, as I tell people
1:30:07
Speaker 1: all the time. Uh, Duke, it's sort of what helped
1:30:10
Speaker 1: me accelerate my career. But more House made me who
1:30:14
Speaker 1: I am. So I think you know, both both of
1:30:16
Speaker 1: them were important, But it started at the HBCU. I
1:30:20
Speaker 1: mean that I remember, you know, conversations going on in
1:30:23
Speaker 1: the dorm at three am when we're talking about everything
1:30:26
Speaker 1: from football to the original man, you know, all everything,
1:30:30
Speaker 1: the entire spectrum. Uh. And that's that's kind of what
1:30:33
Speaker 1: made me who I am. But then I realized I
1:30:35
Speaker 1: needed to sort of round out my education, UM, so
1:30:39
Speaker 1: decided to go back to Duke get my m b a. UM,
1:30:42
Speaker 1: and that set me on a different kind of path professionally,
1:30:45
Speaker 1: being able to go from there to Wall Street and
1:30:47
Speaker 1: work several years on Wall Street. So it has been
1:30:50
Speaker 1: beneficially and both of those communities have helped us as
1:30:54
Speaker 1: we've been trying to to build a green Top into
1:30:57
Speaker 1: what it is. So I couldn't be more grateful to
1:31:00
Speaker 1: both more House and and do Let's talk about Greenhop.
1:31:02
Speaker 1: Where did that thing come from? Green Toop? So, my
1:31:06
Speaker 1: grandfather was a entrepreneur and my father worked with him
1:31:11
Speaker 1: there at Greenhops. And Greenhop was a restaurant bar in
1:31:14
Speaker 1: the forties and fifties, and it was here in Hillsboro,
1:31:16
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and it was a place that African Americans
1:31:19
Speaker 1: could go and celebrate and fellowship and it was a
1:31:23
Speaker 1: source of celebration in our community. And so when we
1:31:26
Speaker 1: started a company, we were thinking of names, and Greenhop
1:31:30
Speaker 1: was really just it seemed like the right fi because
1:31:33
Speaker 1: it honored the entrepreneurship background of our families. It's powerful.
1:31:37
Speaker 1: I really appreciate hearing that now when we talk about business.
1:31:40
Speaker 1: I would tell people like when I started my first
1:31:42
Speaker 1: business in nanty two, you know, I was a comedy club.
1:31:46
Speaker 1: You know, I just basically turned on the lights and
1:31:48
Speaker 1: got the licenses that I needed and started accepting money.
1:31:52
Speaker 1: You know, that was my rule and so obviously I
1:31:54
Speaker 1: made a lot of mistakes. You know, I didn't. I
1:31:56
Speaker 1: didn't look at the whole, the bookkeeping aspect of it.
1:31:59
Speaker 1: I look at the hounting the aspect of it. I
1:32:01
Speaker 1: didn't have a I didn't have a business plan, nor
1:32:03
Speaker 1: did I have a business plan for the next six months.
1:32:05
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get in business. And so I
1:32:08
Speaker 1: always talk about how we make mistakes because when I
1:32:11
Speaker 1: say me sometimes about entrepreneurs, especially entrepreneurs of color, because
1:32:14
Speaker 1: we don't look at the forecast, the reality because we're
1:32:17
Speaker 1: such dreamers, you know, we don't you know, once you
1:32:19
Speaker 1: hear the reality, it can kind of hurt your dreams,
1:32:22
Speaker 1: and so you kind of like ignore the possibility of
1:32:25
Speaker 1: failure and put a lot of your opportunities in faith.
1:32:29
Speaker 1: You're planning in faith and not planning in numbers. So
1:32:32
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn to you, Mr NBA. Okay, when you
1:32:35
Speaker 1: opened this green Top, she gave me that great name
1:32:37
Speaker 1: and had great history. Great land is you know, you know,
1:32:39
Speaker 1: obviously inspired. Okay, somebody had to have the number somewhere.
1:32:43
Speaker 1: I'm not saying she was involved in the number, but
1:32:45
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the NBA on this one. Mr NBA, MR.
1:32:48
Speaker 1: Mr wall Street, Mr. Wall Street. I mean, that's that,
1:32:51
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. I mean, i'll give you the
1:32:54
Speaker 1: quick story. She came and she said, look, you know
1:32:57
Speaker 1: I want this wrapping paper. It doesn't exist. I'm gonna,
1:32:59
Speaker 1: you know, do it my stuff, and she will tell you.
1:33:04
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you're not, that's not gonna happen.
1:33:06
Speaker 1: We're not about to investor playing and so you know,
1:33:11
Speaker 1: she was she was persistent, and she said, no, I'm
1:33:13
Speaker 1: gonna research. And I found the manufacturer all this stuff,
1:33:15
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, well, let me do a little research.
1:33:17
Speaker 1: And I found one number that made me say we
1:33:21
Speaker 1: can do this. I look, I had no idea the
1:33:23
Speaker 1: size of the wrapping paper market. So in the United States, uh,
1:33:28
Speaker 1: Americans spend almost seven billion dollars seven billion with a
1:33:32
Speaker 1: B on wrapping paper every single year. So I saw
1:33:35
Speaker 1: that number and I said, okay, wait a minute, seven billion.
1:33:39
Speaker 1: There's nothing for black people out there with you know,
1:33:41
Speaker 1: images that look like us on it. I said, we
1:33:43
Speaker 1: could probably make this work. Right, So the numbers just
1:33:46
Speaker 1: from the size of the market, because you I'm sure
1:33:47
Speaker 1: you know that's where everything starts from. What is the
1:33:50
Speaker 1: size of your market. And so once I saw what
1:33:53
Speaker 1: the size of the market was, now it was about
1:33:56
Speaker 1: execution right because the market was there, there was a
1:33:58
Speaker 1: you know, the window was act for us to get
1:34:00
Speaker 1: in um as people of color and providing something for
1:34:04
Speaker 1: people of color. So for me, from there, you know,
1:34:07
Speaker 1: the numbers made sense. We just had to go execute
1:34:09
Speaker 1: at a very I love that's the part of the conversation,
1:34:12
Speaker 1: the execute part, the creative side, you know, good creating,
1:34:16
Speaker 1: original artwork, original designs. How did that part start to
1:34:20
Speaker 1: lay it to other? Because you know, we have a
1:34:22
Speaker 1: great idea I want to do. I want to do,
1:34:24
Speaker 1: uh you know, wrapping paper for people of color? People
1:34:28
Speaker 1: can look like? What are the designs and the looks?
1:34:30
Speaker 1: Does either want you have skills? Art skills? Are? Are
1:34:34
Speaker 1: we just big personalities I'm talking to here. I would
1:34:38
Speaker 1: say that I've been creative, but I don't draw. So
1:34:42
Speaker 1: I do love all things holiday. I love to decorate.
1:34:46
Speaker 1: I love him to do hearts and cracks and hobbies
1:34:48
Speaker 1: be drawing and creating the actual character I did not do.
1:34:51
Speaker 1: We worked with an illustrator and I knew what I
1:34:54
Speaker 1: wanted to look like. I wanted him to appeal to children.
1:34:56
Speaker 1: I wanted him to appeal to adult and I wanted
1:34:58
Speaker 1: him to definitely look like and I wanted him to
1:35:01
Speaker 1: be jolly and magical. It was really important for him
1:35:05
Speaker 1: to connect with children and adults. Um. So we worked
1:35:08
Speaker 1: with an illustrator and the first iteration that came back
1:35:11
Speaker 1: and it was perfect, and that was the image that
1:35:13
Speaker 1: we went with. That Clarence call. Now, what is the
1:35:16
Speaker 1: name Clarence Claude? Which is which makes me smile every
1:35:19
Speaker 1: time I said, you know, my staff came to me
1:35:21
Speaker 1: that they created Clarence Claude. I go, I said, just
1:35:23
Speaker 1: on that alone, we got to talk to him. It
1:35:26
Speaker 1: just makes me smile. You know, I come from our
1:35:28
Speaker 1: inner city fifth for the six sisters, two brothers. Grew
1:35:31
Speaker 1: up in a two bedroom shotgun house. So that's my
1:35:34
Speaker 1: that's my my, my, my lifestyle. I grew up in
1:35:36
Speaker 1: a graduated from Universe Houston with a math degree minor
1:35:39
Speaker 1: in sociology. So in some ways, you know, I I
1:35:42
Speaker 1: mirror some of the things that you've accomplished in your
1:35:44
Speaker 1: life from a male perspective, Sean. And I'll do a
1:35:47
Speaker 1: lot of work with HBCU schools now to try to
1:35:50
Speaker 1: uplift them, have done a lot of things. I managed
1:35:52
Speaker 1: Stephen N. Smith, who is a graduate of uh What's
1:35:54
Speaker 1: in Salem State. So my I have a strong heart
1:35:57
Speaker 1: and a strong brand association with HBCUs. But Clarence Clause
1:36:01
Speaker 1: that CC, that's my man. Ccny. It's funny you say that.
1:36:06
Speaker 1: So when we were when we were coming up with
1:36:09
Speaker 1: the idea, we knew we needed a name. And I
1:36:15
Speaker 1: said to Jackie said, man, but he needs a black man.
1:36:17
Speaker 1: He needs a name. Here they go, that's a black man, right, um.
1:36:21
Speaker 1: And so we're throwing around names and to your point,
1:36:24
Speaker 1: c C. We were like, it needs to flow. And
1:36:28
Speaker 1: then everything kind of connects with family. So her father's
1:36:32
Speaker 1: name was Clarence. One day I said, what do we
1:36:37
Speaker 1: just call him Clarence Clarence Clause And then it just stuff,
1:36:41
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of as you're saying when you
1:36:43
Speaker 1: heard it, it just kind of man, I loved it,
1:36:46
Speaker 1: but I loved it. I like it just it. It
1:36:49
Speaker 1: sounds so many uncles, so many as sounds. It sounds black,
1:36:52
Speaker 1: it sounds soulful. It sounds like you know, the Thanksgiving
1:36:57
Speaker 1: that the crist the some barbecues, Clarens Clones, my man,
1:37:03
Speaker 1: sound like you're happy. It sounds like you're gonna have
1:37:06
Speaker 1: a good time. But it made you smile. So so
1:37:08
Speaker 1: so that was the way it was happen. Everybody said
1:37:10
Speaker 1: thumbs up on Clarence clause. Okay, now that's now, we
1:37:13
Speaker 1: got the thumbs up on Clan's clause. Now taking it
1:37:16
Speaker 1: to the market. How's that working out? And how did
1:37:19
Speaker 1: it first get introduced and how was the initial reactions?
1:37:24
Speaker 1: So it really started as I was working full time
1:37:27
Speaker 1: working on that idea at night, creating the website, and
1:37:30
Speaker 1: then we got the inventory. It was sitting in our
1:37:33
Speaker 1: garage and I said, we're gonna launch in October October sixteen. Um.
1:37:38
Speaker 1: We worked with one of my sorority sisters. Actually, she
1:37:42
Speaker 1: came in video and came up with kind of our
1:37:44
Speaker 1: story of the origin, how we started it, and she's
1:37:47
Speaker 1: a great storyteller, and so she developed this minute thirty
1:37:49
Speaker 1: second video, um, and that's kind of how we shared
1:37:52
Speaker 1: it on Facebook and social media. And that video just
1:37:55
Speaker 1: told the story of the need and why it was
1:37:57
Speaker 1: important for us as black parents, and it really just
1:38:00
Speaker 1: captured the essence of why it was so important for
1:38:03
Speaker 1: black chules and to see images that looked like them,
1:38:05
Speaker 1: and that video, I won't say it went viral, but
1:38:07
Speaker 1: it did pretty get numbers and people shared it, and
1:38:09
Speaker 1: that's kind of what got us out there and people
1:38:12
Speaker 1: found out about our website. We were packing orders in
1:38:15
Speaker 1: our house up until Black Friday of that year, and
1:38:20
Speaker 1: you know, I was working full time as I was Sewan,
1:38:22
Speaker 1: So we get home at night, we packed orders, We
1:38:24
Speaker 1: put the kids down, eat dinner, and we packed the
1:38:26
Speaker 1: orders until we were about passed out. And then the
1:38:28
Speaker 1: orders just kept coming and coming, and I think we
1:38:31
Speaker 1: need a fulfillment company and I don't anymore, UM, and
1:38:35
Speaker 1: so we switched on the filming company and they packed
1:38:37
Speaker 1: our orders for us. But that's just kind of how
1:38:39
Speaker 1: it started. Now. You know, I was gonna say, you
1:38:43
Speaker 1: talked earlier about UM HBCUs. We talked a lot about
1:38:47
Speaker 1: HBC using we first launched, we really leaned on that
1:38:52
Speaker 1: HBCU UH network. You know, when we launched, we got
1:38:57
Speaker 1: all of our HBCU you know, classmates, friends, the schools
1:39:00
Speaker 1: we went to UH when that first year, we basically
1:39:04
Speaker 1: created street teams to go to these homecomings UM and
1:39:07
Speaker 1: we gave them T shirts and they were passing out
1:39:09
Speaker 1: flyers and buttons. So we really leaned on HBCUs. That
1:39:13
Speaker 1: helped get that first year off the ground and get
1:39:16
Speaker 1: some success behind it then and HBCUs came through for
1:39:19
Speaker 1: us in a big way. I mean they supported as
1:39:21
Speaker 1: they say, they showed up and showed out clause. So
1:39:24
Speaker 1: it was it was, it was huge, It was huge.
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Speaker 1: making conversations. I'm your host Sean McDonald. Well, also as
1:40:35
Speaker 1: she was being featured. You know when you get these
1:40:37
Speaker 1: featured moments in Essence and the old the Oprah magazine.
1:40:42
Speaker 1: You know, you know back in the old school days
1:40:45
Speaker 1: when you when you put out a record, you hear
1:40:46
Speaker 1: your record on the radio, I think. And so when
1:40:50
Speaker 1: you start seeing your product being featured in prominitive magazines
1:40:54
Speaker 1: like Essence and Oh, what would your reaction? Did you
1:40:57
Speaker 1: have your frame? Did or did you is the magazine
1:41:00
Speaker 1: still sitting on your countertop? Well? Did you post to
1:41:03
Speaker 1: those social media? How did you react and how did
1:41:05
Speaker 1: you use that, you know, uh, to your advantage. We
1:41:09
Speaker 1: had some praise and worship in the living room. Well,
1:41:14
Speaker 1: we got the phone call from Oprah I definitely was
1:41:16
Speaker 1: shouting and screaming, come on girl, come on girl, come
1:41:19
Speaker 1: on girl about the Oprah team. We put on some
1:41:22
Speaker 1: music and dance around. Um. But when we got NBC News,
1:41:27
Speaker 1: that was probably the first big press that we got,
1:41:29
Speaker 1: and the order started to flood in and it was
1:41:32
Speaker 1: picked up by some local television network news networks. And
1:41:36
Speaker 1: it's great. You know, it's one thing when you think
1:41:38
Speaker 1: it's something important for your own chold, but when other
1:41:40
Speaker 1: people see it invalidate it and and say it's important
1:41:43
Speaker 1: as well. So the features in the press have been
1:41:45
Speaker 1: wonderful to help, you know, get a brand awareness out there,
1:41:48
Speaker 1: and we're so grateful for all of them. So, you know,
1:41:51
Speaker 1: we're we're we're talking about wrapping people talk about Clarence
1:41:53
Speaker 1: Clause and then Clariens Clause has kind of become a
1:41:55
Speaker 1: bigger than like character that you guys didn't even expect,
1:41:58
Speaker 1: you know. So that's usually great ideas come about, you know,
1:42:01
Speaker 1: it comes from they come from passion. But there's something
1:42:04
Speaker 1: you believe in and and when when you tell your story,
1:42:06
Speaker 1: it just connects, you know, the Green Top story connects
1:42:09
Speaker 1: and Clarence story connects, you know, and it all feels
1:42:12
Speaker 1: very organic and real. And so how big can Clarence
1:42:16
Speaker 1: call Clans Clause become? How big can you become? Do
1:42:19
Speaker 1: do Macy's Day Parade? One day? I see a Clarence
1:42:22
Speaker 1: Clause up there, floating up there next to snoopik. Can
1:42:25
Speaker 1: you get that big? That shot? Come on that? Absolutely
1:42:28
Speaker 1: get that, you know, because that's because that's that's the
1:42:34
Speaker 1: dream big and you get that big? So what what?
1:42:36
Speaker 1: What additional marketing techniques are you guys using? And I
1:42:39
Speaker 1: know you've had grants tied to black women, Uh Jack,
1:42:43
Speaker 1: What I want to talk about that that you've been awarded.
1:42:45
Speaker 1: Talk about the grants and the funding that has come
1:42:47
Speaker 1: in to to you know, to benefit you guys in
1:42:50
Speaker 1: your brand and your company growth. Definitely, we have really
1:42:55
Speaker 1: benefited from some grants this year with Beyonce and her
1:42:58
Speaker 1: foundation be Good. Um as awarded us ten thousand dollar
1:43:02
Speaker 1: grant that we're very excited about. Um in partnership with
1:43:05
Speaker 1: Double A CP and we also have received the grant
1:43:08
Speaker 1: from Visa and I Fund Women And that's a great
1:43:11
Speaker 1: opportunity for us because Visa, I mean Visa is huge
1:43:15
Speaker 1: and I found Women does this great work to help
1:43:16
Speaker 1: lock own and women businesses um really grow and give
1:43:20
Speaker 1: them the tools they need. And so those two grants
1:43:24
Speaker 1: have really given us, you know, exposure to larger networks,
1:43:27
Speaker 1: has helped us internally without funding, and they've provided us
1:43:31
Speaker 1: with resources that were really right before. Okay. Green Top
1:43:34
Speaker 1: grift lines include gift bags, holiday accessories of pails such
1:43:39
Speaker 1: as socks face mask, which is very smart. Means you pivoted,
1:43:43
Speaker 1: you saw a need and you pivoted right there. Dad Hats.
1:43:46
Speaker 1: Their paral line includes T shirts, sweaters, baby war disease,
1:43:50
Speaker 1: and pajama sets for the whole family that were newly
1:43:52
Speaker 1: added this year and available for pre order. Right now,
1:43:55
Speaker 1: let's talk about the pre order. Let's talk about the
1:43:57
Speaker 1: the whole facial mass that's just something you saw, you had,
1:44:02
Speaker 1: that you had the ability at we're pointing this whole
1:44:04
Speaker 1: pandemic because we got to shut down in March, that
1:44:06
Speaker 1: you felt you should get in the facial mask market.
1:44:10
Speaker 1: It was very early on people reached out to us
1:44:13
Speaker 1: and said, you guys are gonna do Christmas mask right,
1:44:15
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was people. It was June
1:44:17
Speaker 1: and July and people were realizing that, you know, we're
1:44:19
Speaker 1: gonna be in this for a while, and I had
1:44:22
Speaker 1: a lot of friends that were like, you guys want
1:44:23
Speaker 1: to do masks. I was like, yeah, we can do masks.
1:44:25
Speaker 1: We do masks for sure. So I like our attitude mask. Yeah,
1:44:34
Speaker 1: we got that on these agenda mask get the mask dumb. Yeah,
1:44:41
Speaker 1: the masks are going well, they're selling. My mom and
1:44:43
Speaker 1: I have been out wearing ours and people are stopping
1:44:46
Speaker 1: us and asking where did you get those masks? Right right? So,
1:44:49
Speaker 1: like I said earlier prior to our call, you know,
1:44:51
Speaker 1: I love to feature you guys and my my shopping zone.
1:44:54
Speaker 1: It's all free. You know, these are the There'll know
1:44:56
Speaker 1: when I see great opportunities. And that's how you get
1:44:58
Speaker 1: out there. I always tell people, you know, it's not
1:45:01
Speaker 1: the lottery. You don't win in one location. You win
1:45:03
Speaker 1: and people turn this way they see your brain. They
1:45:05
Speaker 1: turn that way to see your brain, They turn this
1:45:07
Speaker 1: way they hear your brain. And so, like I said,
1:45:10
Speaker 1: a mailing list goes out over the any thousands of
1:45:12
Speaker 1: my fan club members love to put you there. Post.
1:45:14
Speaker 1: You get my social media which is uh money Making
1:45:18
Speaker 1: Conversation dot com. And then I have my personal social media,
1:45:21
Speaker 1: which is Rashan McDonald, which has almost a million social
1:45:24
Speaker 1: media followers. I think it would be very fond to
1:45:26
Speaker 1: post Clarence clause and get some pre orders. But how
1:45:29
Speaker 1: does the pre ordered process work for Green Top? So
1:45:33
Speaker 1: for our family pajamas, we're doing pre order. They come
1:45:35
Speaker 1: in sizes from infants to an adult to X and
1:45:38
Speaker 1: if you order them now, they'll shift after the first
1:45:40
Speaker 1: of December. But if you order any additional product with it,
1:45:44
Speaker 1: like if you order a mask and pajamas or a
1:45:46
Speaker 1: mask and um a pair set of wrapping paper, the
1:45:50
Speaker 1: items that are in dock now outside of the pajamas
1:45:52
Speaker 1: will ship immediately, and your family pajamas will ship as
1:45:55
Speaker 1: soon as we have them all pactrition already. Okay, cool.
1:45:58
Speaker 1: So with that being said, you're doing any modeling, what
1:46:01
Speaker 1: you what? Do? Your what? Your what? Your items? Or
1:46:04
Speaker 1: they just uh albadden photoed or how's it? How's the
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Speaker 1: package being featured on your website? So we have done
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Speaker 1: a great family photo shoot with tons of cute kids
1:46:13
Speaker 1: and our pajamas, and that's on YouTube, it's on our website,
1:46:17
Speaker 1: it's on our social media. There's tons of photos that
1:46:19
Speaker 1: you can see and kind of get engaged and what
1:46:21
Speaker 1: the sizing looks like and see the pajamas and the
1:46:24
Speaker 1: kids are having a ball in the video. So it's
1:46:26
Speaker 1: just super joyful to look at you know, I look
1:46:28
Speaker 1: at it looked like I mentioned earlier that you was
1:46:30
Speaker 1: Nestleie was you Mars and Wrigley and then John you
1:46:34
Speaker 1: mentioned World Street. You know my background, I was IBM.
1:46:38
Speaker 1: I work for IBM two and a half years undergraduate,
1:46:40
Speaker 1: two and a half years graduate, and the and the
1:46:42
Speaker 1: and the the things I've learned from my five years
1:46:46
Speaker 1: i've been I still used today, you know, from a
1:46:48
Speaker 1: marketing stand from from being a professional, from being able
1:46:52
Speaker 1: to how the management I can always clearly look at
1:46:55
Speaker 1: some of the statements that how it was handled by
1:46:58
Speaker 1: by supervisors to be success will work for me today.
1:47:01
Speaker 1: And the principles of me starting my own company, managing
1:47:04
Speaker 1: people along the way and being able to you know,
1:47:07
Speaker 1: be able to have goals of success. So started with
1:47:10
Speaker 1: you sewn with your experience that you had. How how
1:47:13
Speaker 1: are you incorporating that into green toop Oh man, it's uh, Well,
1:47:19
Speaker 1: the first thing is is just making smart decisions. I've
1:47:22
Speaker 1: been fortunate, I've been around a lot of smart people, uh,
1:47:26
Speaker 1: people who've done some pretty incredible things and and typically
1:47:28
Speaker 1: their success was rooted in they didn't always get it right,
1:47:31
Speaker 1: but they use a lot of logic to make smart decisions. Um.
1:47:35
Speaker 1: And so I've tried to help Jackie UM and helped
1:47:39
Speaker 1: each other, but I've tried to sort of bring that
1:47:41
Speaker 1: the green top. It's like, is this a smart decision
1:47:44
Speaker 1: the numbers to like you said at the beginning, do
1:47:46
Speaker 1: the numbers make sense? Does this mac add up right? Um?
1:47:50
Speaker 1: And so that that's really what I've learned most. You
1:47:53
Speaker 1: touched on you said at IBM. Being a professional. I
1:47:55
Speaker 1: mean that was something that the first day I walked
1:47:58
Speaker 1: into Morgan Stanley. You you can just feel you better
1:48:01
Speaker 1: be a professional in here, right You're gonna get walked
1:48:03
Speaker 1: out to doing it right. So so, uh, you know,
1:48:06
Speaker 1: professional is a big part of it. I think sometimes
1:48:08
Speaker 1: people overlook that how you carry yourself matters. Um. I
1:48:13
Speaker 1: never forget there was a guy who I worked with,
1:48:16
Speaker 1: a guy who I worked with worked for at Morgan Stanley,
1:48:19
Speaker 1: a gentleman by the name of David de Luca, and
1:48:22
Speaker 1: this quote I will never forget. He said, why wait
1:48:24
Speaker 1: until tomorrow to do what you can do today? Um?
1:48:27
Speaker 1: And so I take that with me everywhere now that
1:48:29
Speaker 1: you just always get as much done today as you
1:48:32
Speaker 1: possibly can because we don't know what's gonna change the ball.
1:48:35
Speaker 1: So those are the types of things that I've tried
1:48:37
Speaker 1: to bring to Greentop, how we think about it, how
1:48:40
Speaker 1: we approach it, making sure every decision is strategic, every
1:48:43
Speaker 1: decision makes sense. Um. But I think it's benefited us,
1:48:47
Speaker 1: uh to a large degree. It has the thing I
1:48:50
Speaker 1: always oft to, you know, like when I left IBM
1:48:52
Speaker 1: to purceee a career as a comedian. Okay, well, to
1:48:55
Speaker 1: a lot of uncertainty because people are always like you
1:48:58
Speaker 1: the next day to Murphy here right right and so so.
1:49:02
Speaker 1: But there's still that unknown, you know, when you walk
1:49:04
Speaker 1: out into you walking away from medical benefits, you're walking
1:49:07
Speaker 1: away from a consistent check. You're walking away from a
1:49:10
Speaker 1: building that you know exist. You know so and and
1:49:13
Speaker 1: then so in the world of doubt, you know, I'd
1:49:16
Speaker 1: love to hear both of you guys reaction to you know,
1:49:19
Speaker 1: overcoming and they are known and plush your team. I
1:49:21
Speaker 1: call I call you guys a power couple because the
1:49:24
Speaker 1: decisions were made jointly, but then each decision was made
1:49:27
Speaker 1: individually because you were working Jacklin and you was working
1:49:30
Speaker 1: Sean okay. And some people say, well you work until
1:49:33
Speaker 1: we get up and running and then you come on
1:49:35
Speaker 1: later on. How was that that commitment to the brand
1:49:39
Speaker 1: of green Top handled within the household of the Rogers? Um,
1:49:45
Speaker 1: so it was. It was interesting. So we we started
1:49:47
Speaker 1: the company in twos sixteen. We were a tag team,
1:49:50
Speaker 1: you know. We as Jackie said, we work late, we
1:49:53
Speaker 1: packed orders, we do all that stuff. And probably two
1:49:56
Speaker 1: years ago I started to push her a little bit
1:49:59
Speaker 1: on and if we really want this thing to grow
1:50:02
Speaker 1: and blow up, you're gonna have to quit your job.
1:50:04
Speaker 1: You gonna have to quit it and do it full time.
1:50:06
Speaker 1: Because we're looking at some of our friends who have
1:50:08
Speaker 1: started businesses. They're doing a full time and you can
1:50:10
Speaker 1: see the business grow. And I said, if we if
1:50:12
Speaker 1: one of us doesn't quit our job, it's always just
1:50:15
Speaker 1: gonna be a side hustle versus being a real company.
1:50:19
Speaker 1: And so UM, I think we learned some harsh lessons
1:50:22
Speaker 1: in corporate America to um, you know, and working for
1:50:26
Speaker 1: some of these companies. Jackie, you know, worked for Nestlee.
1:50:29
Speaker 1: She worked there for a long time and you know
1:50:31
Speaker 1: they later off. We don't mind talking about that, and
1:50:33
Speaker 1: so she was bit fortunate enough talented enough to get
1:50:36
Speaker 1: the job at Mars. But I think we realized from
1:50:38
Speaker 1: that experience and Nestle that you know, to to a
1:50:41
Speaker 1: lot of these companies, you're just a number. So you know,
1:50:44
Speaker 1: you've got an opportunity to have your own company and
1:50:46
Speaker 1: grow it and build it. Let's go after And so,
1:50:49
Speaker 1: after me pushing for a couple of years, in February
1:50:51
Speaker 1: of this year, she made the decision, I'm gonna quit Mars.
1:50:54
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this full time. And um, that's kind
1:50:58
Speaker 1: of how we balance it in our house, right. So
1:51:00
Speaker 1: I still go to work and work my nine to
1:51:02
Speaker 1: five so that we can keep the health insurance and
1:51:04
Speaker 1: the benefits and all that stuff. But you know, she
1:51:07
Speaker 1: does it full time, you know, all day along and
1:51:09
Speaker 1: and and some days most days she's doing more work
1:51:13
Speaker 1: than I am with my nine to five. You know,
1:51:15
Speaker 1: she's working from eight in the morning to midnight one am.
1:51:18
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm watching the game, you know, right right
1:51:22
Speaker 1: when when when I'm watching the game, ain't pulling on
1:51:27
Speaker 1: hey hey. But but yeah, that's how we bounced in
1:51:31
Speaker 1: our house. You know, she she she's done an incredible job.
1:51:33
Speaker 1: She quit, she's doing a full time and now you
1:51:35
Speaker 1: know it's it's growing. So it's been been really cool
1:51:39
Speaker 1: in that In that way when you say it's growing, Jacqueline,
1:51:42
Speaker 1: you know you made that commitment. And as an individual,
1:51:45
Speaker 1: will you say, I'm going in And first of all,
1:51:47
Speaker 1: smart business decision. Okay, you you do if you can put,
1:51:52
Speaker 1: if you can pull this off, then you do it.
1:51:55
Speaker 1: Because a lot of stuff is online nowadays, you're not
1:51:58
Speaker 1: in the factory pulling stuff down. You moved into a
1:52:01
Speaker 1: fulfillment location. So then making sure your product line. So
1:52:05
Speaker 1: you're running the company by yourself in a sense. So
1:52:08
Speaker 1: because it's set up that way. So talk about the hours.
1:52:13
Speaker 1: I will tell people that are twenty four hours in
1:52:14
Speaker 1: the day. Learn to take advantage or use each hour.
1:52:17
Speaker 1: And that seems to be what you're doing as a
1:52:18
Speaker 1: as an entrepreneur. Yes, um, we have two small children
1:52:23
Speaker 1: on top of that. So before I quit my job,
1:52:25
Speaker 1: I was working full time and I said double dutching
1:52:28
Speaker 1: and doing this at night and on the weekends and
1:52:29
Speaker 1: when I could. Um. And now that since you weary,
1:52:32
Speaker 1: I've been working on it full time. So the hours
1:52:35
Speaker 1: are every second is down to a schedule on my calendar.
1:52:38
Speaker 1: If I don't put it on my calendar and schedule it,
1:52:40
Speaker 1: it doesn't get done. I have to be very strategic
1:52:43
Speaker 1: with my time because we have a two year old
1:52:45
Speaker 1: and a six year old and their home with virtual learning,
1:52:48
Speaker 1: so most days we have a tutor that comes in
1:52:51
Speaker 1: and works with our son, but we have to be
1:52:53
Speaker 1: really efficient with getting work done before they wake up.
1:52:56
Speaker 1: During that time, I try to get a few hours
1:52:58
Speaker 1: in while they're sitting and eating much and then I
1:53:00
Speaker 1: do a lot of work in the evening once they're
1:53:02
Speaker 1: down from bed. So we balance off each other and
1:53:05
Speaker 1: work with each other schedules to make calls work, and
1:53:07
Speaker 1: we're in the house and cold. It's kind of been
1:53:09
Speaker 1: a blessing because it allows us to get things done
1:53:11
Speaker 1: even more efficiently. So um lots of scheduling and just
1:53:16
Speaker 1: working together to make it work. But there there's no
1:53:19
Speaker 1: office hours. It's just get well well. First of all,
1:53:24
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show money making Conversation.
1:53:27
Speaker 1: Thank you for making me smile. When I say smile,
1:53:29
Speaker 1: I've been really uh um. You know I'm much older
1:53:33
Speaker 1: than you guys, so I've I've experienced a life without
1:53:35
Speaker 1: this type of diversity as far as my daughter, she's
1:53:39
Speaker 1: twenty four now and she's been graduating from college, and
1:53:42
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about that, but more importantly giving us
1:53:45
Speaker 1: a hope. All right, when I look at look at
1:53:47
Speaker 1: what we saw on Saturday night at diversity, when I
1:53:51
Speaker 1: look at the civil unrest and looking at white people
1:53:54
Speaker 1: stepping up in a lot of situations saying that's not right,
1:53:57
Speaker 1: and that that it's important to us as we move forwards.
1:54:00
Speaker 1: Bless you. You raising young people to be better people
1:54:03
Speaker 1: in this life, and people recognizing that they want to
1:54:05
Speaker 1: be uh, they want the same dreams that everybody else wants.
1:54:08
Speaker 1: Just we just have to be different colors and different
1:54:11
Speaker 1: colors should not matter in your dreams. And I applaud
1:54:14
Speaker 1: you guys for for living your dreams. I applaud this,
1:54:17
Speaker 1: this lifestyle you guys are creating right now, where Sean
1:54:20
Speaker 1: is hanging down in that white collar world doing his thing,
1:54:23
Speaker 1: and you over there doing that entrepreneur spirit. And I'm
1:54:25
Speaker 1: pretty sure next year we're gonna keep this relationship. And
1:54:27
Speaker 1: next year might be full time both of you guys
1:54:30
Speaker 1: out there flipping it. He might answer this call. We're
1:54:33
Speaker 1: looking like Clarence clause. You know what I'm saying, right,
1:54:38
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I just know that in the
1:54:40
Speaker 1: world of animation, I I just know that there's there's
1:54:42
Speaker 1: a there's a bright future for a brand that makes
1:54:45
Speaker 1: people smile as a bright future for people who and
1:54:48
Speaker 1: it's just the cute thing about it's just not people
1:54:51
Speaker 1: of color buying your product. That's the beauty of it.
1:54:53
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of what Clarence Clause is. You know,
1:54:55
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a charming Are you guys doing
1:54:58
Speaker 1: our ornaments for Christmas tree ornaments as well? Yet? Yeah,
1:55:02
Speaker 1: we have ornaments will be on the site shortly. You
1:55:06
Speaker 1: think blankets and throws, We got it all. Yeah, because
1:55:12
Speaker 1: I want to buy me some ornaments for my tree,
1:55:14
Speaker 1: you know, I want to put it up. But again,
1:55:16
Speaker 1: on my end of the table, my responsibility to you
1:55:18
Speaker 1: is to promote your brand. So I get my staff
1:55:20
Speaker 1: to reach out to you, get us some any videos
1:55:24
Speaker 1: or hard work that we want to promote. Definitely want
1:55:27
Speaker 1: to promote Plans Clause as my man, he's close to
1:55:29
Speaker 1: my heart. I'm I'm I'm I'm putting my thing promoting
1:55:32
Speaker 1: as much as I can, but more importantly, good luck
1:55:34
Speaker 1: and keep winning. Okay, thank you for having us. We
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