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Charlie Kirk 1993-2025 · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: There are two things that are happening right now in
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Speaker 1: this country because of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. One
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Speaker 1: is truly a spiritual revival we are witnessing right now,
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Speaker 1: as attendance at church across the country in many places
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Speaker 1: was as high as it is on Easter Sunday and
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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve services. We are also witnessing a younger generation
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Speaker 1: who is now proudly standing up like never before for
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Speaker 1: what they believe in instead of being bullied into silence
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Speaker 1: by the radical left. We are also getting to know
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Speaker 1: the stories of Charlie Kirk and just how dedicated he
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Speaker 1: was to what he believed in. There's also a second
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Speaker 1: part of this story, and that is the accountability for
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Speaker 1: the radical left. We are witnessing now. Leftists who celebrated
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk's assassination are being held accountable, being fired at
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Speaker 1: a rapid rate, and conservatives are uniting to make sure
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Speaker 1: that these individuals, especially at high schools and colleges, are
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Speaker 1: no longer in a position to indoctrinate a generation to
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Speaker 1: believing that violence is the way to silence speech that
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Speaker 1: you disagree with. Before we get into all of that, though,
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear some truly inspiring words by
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Speaker 1: the pastor of Charlie Kirk and what he had to
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Speaker 1: say about Charlie, his friend and his passing. Listen carefully.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk is irreplaceable. Charlie Kirk is a once in
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Speaker 2: a generation mind and soul and anointing and heart. Charlie
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Speaker 2: Kirk was a rare combination of evangelist, apologist and political strategist.
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Speaker 2: One of our most recent communications, he said, thank you.
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Speaker 2: I have a ton of questions. I didn't ask for it,
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Speaker 2: but I have become a high profile defender of the faith.
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Speaker 2: I need to be the best I can. I said,
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Speaker 2: I'd be honored to serve for free, invisibly as needed.
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Speaker 2: You have an anointing to steward and it's massive. Proud
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Speaker 2: of you and pray for you and your family daily.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and I had been communicating. I was on
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Speaker 2: vacation with my wife and he was asking one week
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Speaker 2: could get together for a half day. He had a
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Speaker 2: bunch of questions about the Christian faith that he wanted
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Speaker 2: to wipe bard out, and I told him it would
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Speaker 2: be a great honor of my life to try and
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Speaker 2: serve him He told me that he felt like God
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Speaker 2: gave him this platform an opportunity so that he could
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Speaker 2: become an evangelist and apologist to the next generation. He
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Speaker 2: wanted to make it his primary message and life work
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Speaker 2: to proclaim the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
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Speaker 2: which is evangelism, and then defend it by answering criticisms, questions,
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Speaker 2: and objections, which is called apologetics, which means to defend
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Speaker 2: the faith. Charlie Kirk stepped into a level of spiritual
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Speaker 2: warfare that I believe moved him to the top of
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Speaker 2: the enemy's hit list and to some degree contributed to
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Speaker 2: his assassination, his murder, and has martyrdom today. And I
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Speaker 2: do not use those words lightly. Those are entirely accurate
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Speaker 2: and fit the description of the demonic activity that we
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Speaker 2: saw today. Charlie wanted people to meet Jesus Christ, and
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Speaker 2: he wanted to do the best job that he could
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Speaker 2: presenting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And as a result,
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Speaker 2: Charlie was going to campuses and he was proclaiming Jesus
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Speaker 2: and he was answering questions, and he was a generational
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Speaker 2: master in doing what the Bible says and that is
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Speaker 2: to give an answer to everyone for the hope that
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Speaker 2: you have with gentleness and respect. He was a joyful,
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Speaker 2: happy warrior. He had a great smile. He was kind
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Speaker 2: to his enemies. He tried to have a good time
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Speaker 2: even when they were trying to give him.
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Speaker 3: A bad time.
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Speaker 2: His impact on this generation cannot be overstated. I believe
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Speaker 2: it is absolutely non hyperbolic to say that he is
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Speaker 2: the greatest conservative voice of this generation alive on planet Earth.
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Speaker 2: And one of the last times I saw him was backstage.
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Speaker 2: It was actually some months ago, I believe, when JD
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Speaker 2: Vance was in town and Charlie invited me to come
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Speaker 2: meet JD in the greenroom and hang out with him.
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Speaker 2: And I walked in with a big smile.
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Speaker 3: He gave me a big.
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Speaker 2: Hug and he said, he said, I need you to
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Speaker 2: be praying for me, Pastor. I said, absolutely, I pray
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Speaker 2: for Charlie every day my wife and I have, and
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Speaker 2: for his beautiful family. He said, he said, I think
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Speaker 2: they're going to try and kill me. And he said
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Speaker 2: if we lose, I think they're going to incarcerate me.
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Speaker 2: Here's a young man with a family who's willing to
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Speaker 2: sacrifice his own life and well being, and the joy
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Speaker 2: he had with a wife whom he very much loved
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Speaker 2: and children that he completely adored. For the sake of
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Speaker 2: selfless service and sacrifice out of love for others. Charlie
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Speaker 2: is was and will forever be one of the most
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Speaker 2: significant men who walked on planet Earth in his generation.
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Speaker 1: You listen to Charlie's pastor there talking about how much
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Speaker 1: he wanted to prepare, how much he wanted to make
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Speaker 1: sure that he was prepared for the questions about the Gospel,
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Speaker 1: about his faith being an apologist. That is how much
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Speaker 1: he cared about spreading the Gospel to the world. There's
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Speaker 1: also incredible things that have come out of this, giving
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Speaker 1: an example of that that happened and was just sent
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Speaker 1: to me a moment ago. JD. Vance, the Vice President
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Speaker 1: of the United States of America, will have the quote
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Speaker 1: honor as he put out on social media of hosting
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Speaker 1: the Charlie Kirk Show. He said, please join me as
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Speaker 1: I paid tribute to my friend. Apparently he will be
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Speaker 1: doing this from the White House. There's also part of
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Speaker 1: what Charlie's legacy was, and it was an important one,
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Speaker 1: was making sure that the Left didn't get a hold
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Speaker 1: of our children indoctrinate them the way they've been doing
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Speaker 1: it in such a radical way, and we're now witnessing
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Speaker 1: leftists who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination are being fired at
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Speaker 1: a rapid pace. Those leftists who celebrate the assassination of
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Speaker 1: Charlie are now facing serious consequences, consequences of sunlight after
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Speaker 1: they were excited that Charlie was murdered. Others are being
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Speaker 1: identified and called out, then placed on leave or suspect.
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Speaker 1: According to a running thread that keeps count on social
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Speaker 1: media platform x As you know, we understand how extreme
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Speaker 1: the left has become, but what we are witnessing right
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Speaker 1: now is that there are many who are dedicating their
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Speaker 1: time to exposing far left radicals, and one of those groups,
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Speaker 1: Libs of TikTok, is doing a lot of the heavy
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Speaker 1: lifting when it comes to pointing out how much violence
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Speaker 1: and hate are still brewing on the left regarding Charlie.
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Speaker 1: A teacher, for example, at King Elementary School posts a
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Speaker 1: video online appearing to celebrate Charlie being assassinated. This person
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Speaker 1: teaches your children. Any comments and guess what happened when
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Speaker 1: that was posted about a teacher at King elementary school.
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Speaker 1: There has now been accountability. There was another post by
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Speaker 1: another teacher at another high school in Maine and what
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Speaker 1: happened there. She said, we're not offering sympathy moments after
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was shot. This teacher has also been exposed.
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Speaker 1: Republican activist Scott Presler is also creating a database of
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Speaker 1: such behavior and encouraging his followers to send him any
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Speaker 1: examples that they see online. Another Pennsylvania teacher by the
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Speaker 1: name of Susan in another high school. One of Pressler's
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Speaker 1: posts made it clear this is a woman who said,
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Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't really care that someone shot him dead.
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Speaker 1: F him. This is another teacher teaching your children, and
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Speaker 1: is never acceptable, is the poll question of Baby boomers.
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Speaker 1: Ninety three percent say political violence is never acceptable. The
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Speaker 1: number then goes down with Gen X to eighty six
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Speaker 1: percent who say political violence is never acceptable. The number
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Speaker 1: drops even lower with Millennials to seventy one percent. Just
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Speaker 1: and what we've witnessed with Charlie Kirk is acceptable. I
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Speaker 1: want you to think about that. So, Yes, as Reverend
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Speaker 1: Franklin Graham put it, Charlie Kirk's voice is being magnified. Yes,
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Speaker 1: churches are full. Yes people are searching. Yes, people are
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Speaker 1: thinking and talking about what Charlie Kirk believed in. Yes,
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Speaker 1: more people now than probably ever before are watching and
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Speaker 1: listening to what Charlie Kirk had said in the past.
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Speaker 1: But the reality is also very clear. There is still
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Speaker 1: a lot of hate. There is still a lot of
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Speaker 1: people out there that are celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 1: I want to play for you with the Speaker of
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Speaker 1: the House, Mike Johnson had to say, as he was
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Speaker 1: one of the first to speak at the prayer vigil
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Speaker 1: at the Kennedy Center that was put on with forty
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Speaker 1: eight hours notice, and I want you to listen carefully
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Speaker 1: to his message about who Charlie Kirk was and what
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Speaker 1: it means going forward.
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Speaker 4: All right, thank you all so much. Good to see you,
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Speaker 4: and they hear that all the way in heaven. I'm
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Speaker 4: telling you, it's been a very, very difficult week in America.
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Speaker 4: We all know that it's been a mixture of unspeakable
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Speaker 4: sadness and grief and anger and even fear. It's as
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Speaker 4: if a dark shadow was cast over our country, and
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Speaker 4: certainly here even on Capitol Hill.
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Speaker 3: The leaders of the nation have been shaken.
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Speaker 4: As have university students and college students and young people
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Speaker 4: all across the country, as as if the ground was
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Speaker 4: shifted beneath us.
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Speaker 3: We all felt it deep deep inside.
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Speaker 4: And in spite of that, we remember that our dear
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Speaker 4: friend Charlie would never want us to be overcome by despair.
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Speaker 3: He would want exactly the opposite.
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Speaker 4: You know, Charlie Kirk recruited and trained and educated a
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Speaker 4: generation of happy warriors, and we do well to be
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Speaker 4: reminded that the best way to honor his memory and
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Speaker 4: to honor his unmatched legacy is to live as Charlie did.
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Speaker 3: That's right. I just have two thoughts.
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Speaker 4: At a very brief moment I'm given to speak to
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Speaker 4: you tonight, I just want to give you two thoughts
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Speaker 4: in that regard. If we can do two things that
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Speaker 4: Charlie did, we will honor that legacy. One is to
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Speaker 4: advance his principles, and the other is to adopt his approach.
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Speaker 4: Now regarding his principles, Charlie was a man of deep
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Speaker 4: faith and conviction. Everyone here can testify to that, and
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Speaker 4: all the speakers will tonight.
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Speaker 3: I mean he meant it to his core.
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Speaker 4: He was authentic, and that's what drew people to the
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Speaker 4: message so much. And he believed and the things that
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Speaker 4: are noble and praiseworthy and good that Scripture talks about.
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Speaker 4: He believed in family and freedom, faith and virtue and patriotism.
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Speaker 4: See Charlie unders that we live in the greatest nation
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Speaker 4: in the history of the world.
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Speaker 3: It's not even close.
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Speaker 4: So I don't care what anybody argues, and Charlie could
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Speaker 4: beat them all. We're the most We're the most free,
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Speaker 4: and most successful, most powerful, most benevolent nation that has
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Speaker 4: ever been on the earth, and Charlie understood why, and
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Speaker 4: he wanted others to understand it as well, because Charlie
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Speaker 4: knew that if you don't understand the source of your freedom,
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Speaker 4: it is easy for it to be taken away. Charlie
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Speaker 4: believed in the creed of our country, which we will
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Speaker 4: celebrate our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary next year.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: Charlie loved to take university students and young people through
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Speaker 4: the second paragraph of the declaration. We hold these truths
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Speaker 4: to be self evident. By the way, students, what is
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Speaker 4: the self evident truth?
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Speaker 3: That's something that's obvious. We hold these truths to be
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Speaker 3: self evident.
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Speaker 4: That all men are created equal, not born equal, created equal.
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Speaker 3: That's what Charlie knew.
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Speaker 4: And Charlie knew that because of that, because what the
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Speaker 4: Founder said, what they articulated, that God created us.
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Speaker 3: He's the one that gave us our an alienable rights.
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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk stood for the principle and he shared it
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Speaker 4: everywhere he could. Our rights do not derive from the
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Speaker 4: state or a king. They come from the King of kings.
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Speaker 4: Charlie also taught so effectively. He did it as well
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Speaker 4: as anybody in his generation, or possibly for many generations,
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Speaker 4: that the other principles that come from that what the
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Speaker 4: founders do and when they put this country together, this
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Speaker 4: grand experiment in self governance, they understood that we are
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Speaker 4: made in the image of God.
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Speaker 3: And because of that, that's right.
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Speaker 4: Because of that, Charlie knew and he believed it, and
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Speaker 4: you could see it and how he advanced this ministry
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Speaker 4: of his. He knew that because we're all made in
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Speaker 4: the image of God, every single person has an.
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Speaker 3: Estimable dignity and value.
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Speaker 4: And your values is not related in any way to
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Speaker 4: the color of your skin or what zip code you
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Speaker 4: live in, where do you go to school.
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Speaker 3: It's irrelevant.
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Speaker 4: Your values inherent because it is given to you by God.
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Speaker 3: That's what Charlie Kirk believed. That's what Charlie Kirk lived.
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Speaker 4: If we could advance those principles that Charlie advanced, we'll
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Speaker 4: be able to save this great Republican And that's what
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Speaker 4: he was all about.
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Speaker 3: But we should also adopt his approach.
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Speaker 4: See, Charlie loved a vigorous debate, but he loved people more.
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Speaker 3: Charlie.
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Speaker 4: That's right, Charlie. Charlie was never motivated by hate. I mean,
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Speaker 4: he could cling the thock of anybody in a debate.
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Speaker 3: We all know it. But you know what he did
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Speaker 3: after those debates.
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Speaker 4: He was always the first person to reach out a
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Speaker 4: hand of friendship or to offer an arm around the
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Speaker 4: shoulder of someone who he felt was lost, because in
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Speaker 4: many places, in many cases, the people he was debating
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Speaker 4: were indeed lost, not just philosophically but spiritually. And Charlie
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Speaker 4: knew the truth, and he knew that eternity awaits us.
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Speaker 3: All. We know exactly where Charlie is right now. That's right.
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Speaker 4: Charlie had such faith and such such belief, and he
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Speaker 4: wanted to share that truth with others. And what he
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Speaker 4: was trying to do is pull people back from the abyss,
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Speaker 4: not just to save a country, but to save souls.
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Speaker 4: That's what Charlie Kirk was about. And that will resonate.
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Speaker 4: It goes far beyond him. His legacy is immeasurable. I
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Speaker 4: used to be a lawyer. I defended free speech and
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Speaker 4: religious freedom and all that in the courts, and we
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Speaker 4: tried to We talked a lot about advancing and preserving
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Speaker 4: the free marketplace of ideas. I think Charlie Kirk offered
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Speaker 4: more productive content the free marketplace of ideas than anyone
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Speaker 4: in its generation and arguably in the last one hundred.
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Speaker 3: Years of US history.
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Speaker 4: I could go on and on, but I'm out of
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Speaker 4: time because you have a lot of great people to
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Speaker 4: hear from tonight. Everybody has a story about Charlie and
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Speaker 4: they're all worthy to be shared, and I wouldn't know.
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Speaker 4: We'll be doing that for many days to come. I
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Speaker 4: just leave you with the thought from Edmund Burke. It's
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Speaker 4: attributed to him, and Charlie knew this quote well.
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Speaker 3: He was my friend. We talked about these things.
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Speaker 4: He reminded young people, all that is necessary for the
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Speaker 4: triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Charlie
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Speaker 4: Kirk did so much in his short life that he
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Speaker 4: spurred that on in other people. He inspired it in
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Speaker 4: other people, and that message and that truth will go
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Speaker 4: more boldly now than it did while he was here.
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Speaker 3: It will go forward with power and strength.
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Speaker 4: I've been asked to offer a brief word of prayer,
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Speaker 4: so if you would do that with me, Heavenly Father,
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Speaker 4: we come to you tonight in sadness, but also with
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Speaker 4: grateful hearts, because we know that your truth endoors. We
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Speaker 4: know where our dear brother and friend, Charlie Is. We
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Speaker 4: thank you that he is receiving his reward and that
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Speaker 4: he's heard those words that we all aspire to hear.
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Speaker 4: Well done, good and faithful servant, Father, help us to
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Speaker 4: remember the principles of your word that Charlie worked every
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Speaker 4: day to advance. That we do not return evil for evil,
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Speaker 4: but we over to come evil with good. And we
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Speaker 4: pray that you bless our friend and brother's legacy, that
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Speaker 4: it goes on roars on throughout the nation. That you
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Speaker 4: pray and encourage and inspire Erica, the children, the Kirk family,
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Speaker 4: the Turning Point staff, and all the volunteers and supporters,
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Speaker 4: and every student around the nation who is who has
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Speaker 4: already connected to this organization, and the eighteen thousand plus.
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Speaker 3: Enquiries that they received this week for new chapters.
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Speaker 4: Heavenly Father, we pray that you bless that in such
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Speaker 4: a supernatural, exponential way that no one can explain it,
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Speaker 4: but that your spirit has been involved. We pray and
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Speaker 4: believe all this, and we commit our great nation to
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Speaker 4: you in Jesus' name.
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Speaker 3: Amen.
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Speaker 1: You here the speaker of the house there, Mike Johnson,
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Speaker 1: telling that incredible story of Charlie Kirk, his life and
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Speaker 1: his legacy. We are also hearing from the Pentagon there
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Speaker 1: will be as they are describing it a zero tolerance
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Speaker 1: policy for the cheering of Charlie Kirk's assassination. Pentagon officials
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Speaker 1: are now actively monitoring an alarm wave of public celebrations
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Speaker 1: over the assassination of Charlie Kirk and weighing action against
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Speaker 1: any military members or Department personnel who are involved. The
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Speaker 1: Defense Secretary p Deadseth, along with multiple other military and
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Speaker 1: department leaders, said the department is quote tracking celebrations of
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Speaker 1: Kirk's death among personnel and promised the issue will be
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Speaker 1: addressed immediately. In the wake of the assassination, there is
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Speaker 1: a lot of left leaning users on X, Blue Sky,
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Speaker 1: and TikTok that are openly cheering the conservative leader's murder.
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Speaker 1: Several accounts llegey tied to military personnel popping up quote
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Speaker 5: I'm never going to change my party, but clearly we've
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Speaker 5: lost the argument. And now right now, I think it's
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Speaker 5: entirely appropriate to really be honest and just figure out
28:37
Speaker 5: why exactly have we effectively lost two out of less
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Speaker 5: three cycles and a lot of the things. We've really
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Speaker 5: kind of really lost our connection with American voters in ways,
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Speaker 5: and I think we can't just be well, Trump is
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Speaker 5: always wrong, or or that we're going to set the
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Speaker 5: country on fire or whatever. That's just not true either.
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Speaker 5: Of course. You know, when I represent a state like Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 5: a lot of Americans happen to disagree with you. That
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Speaker 5: does not mean that they are fascists or now they
29:12
Speaker 5: want to shred the Constitution.
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Speaker 2: But when you hear some Democrats saying Trump is acting
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Speaker 2: like an autocrat.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's the thing. I if you actually compare
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Speaker 5: him to an actual autocrat, that is not just that.
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Speaker 5: Now last night, for example, people were complain, you know,
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Speaker 5: they're protesting about oh, that's the Hitler Hitler thing. You
29:33
Speaker 5: just don't ever ever compare anyone to Hitler and those
29:36
Speaker 5: kinds of extreme things. Now, look what happened to Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the man was shot. Now we have to
29:43
Speaker 5: turn the temperature down. It's like, we can't compare people
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Speaker 5: to these kinds of figures in history. And this is
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Speaker 5: not an autocrat. This is a product of a democratic election.
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Speaker 1: So you don't think that Trump is at all shattering
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Speaker 1: any of the norms of democracy in any.
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Speaker 5: I'm saying he's different, But that's what America voted for Again,
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Speaker 5: I don't agree with many of these things, but that
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Speaker 5: does not make him an autocra atic.
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Speaker 1: But one of the things I hear from Democrats a
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Speaker 1: lot saying a.
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Speaker 2: Reason why voters may not like Democrats because they don't
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Speaker 2: fight hard enough.
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Speaker 4: Democrats would be fighting harder.
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Speaker 5: What do you say to folks, exactly what exactly is fighting?
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Speaker 5: What is fighting? You know, delay more votes or just
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Speaker 5: vote every no on everything, or saying well, if they're
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Speaker 5: doing X, well, then that mean it's wrong that kind
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Speaker 5: of thing. It's like, what exactly is is fighting?
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Speaker 4: I'll give you an example.
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Speaker 1: It could be shutting the government down.
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Speaker 2: Like some Democrats say, if this happens, it will be
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Speaker 2: Trump's fault.
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Speaker 5: That's that's not fighting. That's mutilating our nation. If you
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Speaker 5: vote to shut our government down, you are going to
30:43
Speaker 5: harm millions of Americans. And why would you do this?
30:47
Speaker 5: Where's our leverage? It was wrong. It was wrong for
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Speaker 5: the Republicans to do that. Absolutely, that's true. It is
30:54
Speaker 5: wrong for the Republicans to do that. It would just
30:57
Speaker 5: be wrong for us for those things bigger pick.
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Speaker 2: Sure as a party shifted or have you shifted ideological.
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Speaker 5: Lan My party is acting in a way. They have forgotten.
31:07
Speaker 5: They have forgotten one of the reasons why we lost
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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four. Some of the most extreme things
31:13
Speaker 5: were weaponized against that and now some people think, now
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Speaker 5: we have to double down on those things, or we
31:19
Speaker 5: must become more progressive or more extreme. That's absolutely just
31:23
Speaker 5: not that's absolutely not true. The seven or eight states
31:26
Speaker 5: that are going to determine who's going to be our
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Speaker 5: next the next president, you know, we have to win
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Speaker 5: in those states, and I understand what that takes. And
31:36
Speaker 5: a lot of these ideas that are now putting back
31:39
Speaker 5: and being reinduced are not going to carry you know, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: You listen to Fetterman and it seems like he's saying
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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party has left him because of the radicals
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