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Exonerated Central Park Five survivor Yusef Salaam discusses his new book, "Better, Not Bitter" · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: the five teenage bars rolling fully convicted and sentenced to
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  Speaker 1: left prison and as an adult to world he didn't
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  Speaker 1: fully recognize, understood, or understand. In two thousand two, the
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  Speaker 1: sentence for the Central Park five was overturned. All five
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  Speaker 1: were exonerated for the crime they did not commit. He's
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  Speaker 1: on the show to talk about his new book Better
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  Speaker 1: Not Better, Living on Purpose in the pursuit of racial justice.
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  Speaker 1: It's the first time that wanted the new exonerated or
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  Speaker 1: the now exonerated five is telling their individual story in
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  Speaker 1: and Central all of them and in the eighties, being
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  Speaker 1: course exoneration. Please welcome to money making conversation. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: the system wanted to be, wanted to define me as
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  Speaker 1: is saying, is right? He started, you know, and and
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  Speaker 1: one of the hours of story, um that I'm telling
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  Speaker 1: you this particular book and utilizing what I understand about
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  Speaker 1: what happened to Well, you know, one thing you did
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  Speaker 1: lose going to prison was your sense of style. You know,
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  Speaker 1: your sense of you know, the shoes, you know, the tie,
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  Speaker 1: the suit. You know what I'm saying. You said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at you even smiling, not because you know, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about coming on my show. No
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  Speaker 1: tie on every every picture I see this brother in
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  Speaker 1: he wearing shoes I wear. You know, I was told
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  Speaker 1: mad I looking at the funk. I said, look at
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  Speaker 1: the two tones right there on two tones right there,
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  Speaker 1: every picture you take with the exonerated five. He the
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  Speaker 1: only one got the suit on. He's he's he's the class,
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  Speaker 1: he's the appear to be of excellence. He articulates, he
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  Speaker 1: you are, that you are, that you are the resident,
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  Speaker 1: it's your personality. Why is that important? Yeah? So I
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  Speaker 1: think I think it's important because you know, it has
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with, um, what other people seem. It
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  Speaker 1: has everything to do with what you see when you
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  Speaker 1: look at yourself in the mirror. Right. People say all
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  Speaker 1: the time, how you clean up nights? And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: talking about me, but I'm talking about any one of
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  Speaker 1: us who chooses to. We find ourselves right, we put
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  Speaker 1: we we clean our hair up, we clean our face up.
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  Speaker 1: You know, whatever it is that we do. We look
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  Speaker 1: at ourselves first of all. We other people look at
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  Speaker 1: happens is the most powerful thing when you look in
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  Speaker 1: the mirror at your own self. I often think about
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  Speaker 1: my circumstances and say to myself, Thank God, I don't
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  Speaker 1: look like what I think. Right. Most people look at
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  Speaker 1: me and they say, no, that's that has He could
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  Speaker 1: have never gone on prison. He doesn't sound like a
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  Speaker 1: person with prison. He doesn't look like or act like.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing about him says prison. But I think that that's
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  Speaker 1: the beauty of God. God has allowed me to be
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  Speaker 1: a shining example of what could be possible for all
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  Speaker 1: of us. Right, we can reject, literally throw back the
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  Speaker 1: definition of life that they want to give us, and
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  Speaker 1: know that we were born on purpose and with the purpose,
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to being relegated to the modern big cotton
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  Speaker 1: deals of America. Right, that's what they want for us
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  Speaker 1: to believe. So so many many of the stories that
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  Speaker 1: I've heard have been stories where people have said, no,
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  Speaker 1: we are supposed to be dead, our in jail before
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  Speaker 1: we reached the age of twine. And many of us
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  Speaker 1: play into that false narrative and I'm gonna say false
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  Speaker 1: narrative again, because it absolutely is. When you think about
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  Speaker 1: the grand, miraculous thing that happens to all of us,
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  Speaker 1: our mothers and fathers get together, we become one of
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  Speaker 1: over four hundred million options rased into the egg, and
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  Speaker 1: we are chosen to me look at the odds. That
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  Speaker 1: means that we are born on purpose. And if we're
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  Speaker 1: boring on purpose, we have a purpose. And so the
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  Speaker 1: psycho social reality of being able to really understand that
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  Speaker 1: the system, the system, they tell you you're not worth nothing,
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  Speaker 1: and if you if you believe, you're gonna move throughout
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  Speaker 1: your life but your mistakes. But once you believe that
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  Speaker 1: you're worth everything, once you believe that you are the
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  Speaker 1: future mover and you go up tomorrow, you will begin
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  Speaker 1: to move throughout your life with a different type of purpose.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what this book is all about. It's about
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  Speaker 1: me understanding what happened to me, me understanding that I
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  Speaker 1: had to remember what my mother told me, the very
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  Speaker 1: lass instruction she gave me. She said, they need you
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  Speaker 1: to participate, and whatever it is that they're trying to do,
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  Speaker 1: not participate, refuse And so how does that show up?
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  Speaker 1: It shows up by you refusing to accept the box
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  Speaker 1: that they want to put you. You need to be
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  Speaker 1: that not. I forget the name of the study that
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  Speaker 1: is us as a people. That's what it is. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You know when I'm talking to Usef Salon, Master, Usef Salon,
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  Speaker 1: your your grandmother. Well, we'll always say that to you.
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  Speaker 1: And you say in your chapter you're talking about a
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  Speaker 1: name is important. My name is Rushan McDonald. I thoroughly
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  Speaker 1: be a different person. My name is Rashan. I've always
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  Speaker 1: been treated different. I've always been and noted. You know,
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  Speaker 1: people can't spell it to have to I have to
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  Speaker 1: correct them, or they learn how to spell it and
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  Speaker 1: they respect me or understand my brand. Talk about the
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  Speaker 1: why are your grandmother who passed away? I think correct?
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  Speaker 1: And uh, why was Master important to her? In front
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  Speaker 1: of your name? I think she was doing which was
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  Speaker 1: so important and really so impactful, but that she needed
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  Speaker 1: for one thing she needed to do was to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that the people who are holding new capital needed
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  Speaker 1: to know who they have. I always thought by male
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  Speaker 1: and I'm saying that because for those who don't know,
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  Speaker 1: gets to the person that is supposed to get to. Right,
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  Speaker 1: I always got my mail. So imagine the officer getting
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  Speaker 1: the mail and saying, this is to Master you steps
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  Speaker 1: reason sends it off. The content of the letter is
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  Speaker 1: what is important, over and above the title. It's addressed
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  Speaker 1: out that. The title is telling me to remember, not
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  Speaker 1: just remember who I am, but remember in a sense
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  Speaker 1: not supposed to be under these kinds of conditions. But
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  Speaker 1: imagine when when you are told that by one of
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  Speaker 1: your elders who knows the truth, he's sending you messages.
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  Speaker 1: She's sending you seeds. She's allowing those seeds to blossom
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  Speaker 1: so that you can metamorphosize into the butterfly that you
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  Speaker 1: need to be. And it's so important because if you
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  Speaker 1: if somebody calls you out of your name, usually you
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  Speaker 1: now too, he fights tooth the nail until miraculously we
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  Speaker 1: see something, and we don't see it until later. He
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  Speaker 1: buries the truth inside of self even though we accept
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  Speaker 1: outward believe what they are saying, but inwardly he never
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  Speaker 1: accepts that his name is. He knows who he is,
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  Speaker 1: he knows he's a press, he knows that his people
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  Speaker 1: had the reality keeped upon us, and so we don't
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  Speaker 1: We actually again to hate ourselves and everything we have
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  Speaker 1: about sixteen years old, You're standing in the hallway and
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  Speaker 1: they said that that they have a verdict and you
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  Speaker 1: went back into the courtroom and uh, it was announced
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  Speaker 1: guilty and they sent you to Rikers. And why is
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  Speaker 1: Rikers such a horrible prison? Let me ask you that
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  Speaker 1: question first, No, Wreckers is there's so many facets. I
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  Speaker 1: think that makes breker Is one of the most horrible
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  Speaker 1: places on her But I think part of it is
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  Speaker 1: because you have the proximity of people being able to
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  Speaker 1: go right to or talk right to, or be connected
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  Speaker 1: right to the people they want were when we come
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  Speaker 1: home from prison. One of the most transformative things a
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  Speaker 1: person can do is to leave the communities that they
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: can come. And I'm not saying that because I want
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  Speaker 1: you to to to take away your your your your
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  Speaker 1: your value. Right if you you know, like a lot
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of people in there in the entertainment industry, they happen
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: to lead because they know that they have to insulate themselves. Right.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Why do they have to insulate themselves? Because America has
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: created poverty and pushed it upon the people in the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: margins of life, and the people in the margins of
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: life are now responding in a way where we call
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: it the struggle or the survival mentality. What happens when
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you struggle? What happens when you have to survive and
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: that's the only thing that you can do, you do anything.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And so in prison a place like Rikers Island. Rikers
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Island is a place where people sometimes have not yet
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: been convicted of the crimes that they have so called committed.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: That's a so called because we find out that there's
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  Speaker 1: so many people you look at the colored bottles of
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  Speaker 1: the world who are not supposed to be there, right,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and then you have other people who are actually criminals
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: who have gotten card but they are still doing criminal things.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: They are running the jails. Everybody has this false narrative
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: when they see people who show photos of the prisons
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  Speaker 1: that they're and they look strong and buff and they
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: pose and and everything like that. And I never forget
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: hearing a conversation that Ross Baraka had put on one
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  Speaker 1: of his albums and he said, nobody talks about the
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  Speaker 1: Roman client I was. I was in Clinton with Twop.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking Danna more with two ps, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember hearing him say on the gate, and that's something
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  Speaker 1: that people in the officers say to the inmates. He said,
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  Speaker 1: you're on the gate, and everybody got on the gate
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  Speaker 1: and he said, listen, man, I'm just trying to do
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  Speaker 1: my bed, just like y'all. Everybody was sending him pieces
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  Speaker 1: of the magazines that they will rip out and sent
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  Speaker 1: to him and say, hey, can you sign that? Sign
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  Speaker 1: this to my family, my daughter, my friends. I just
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  Speaker 1: want to let them know that I'm eat here with you.
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  Speaker 1: You know. And when you look at prison, prison has
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  Speaker 1: a way of turning people into criminals, even if you
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  Speaker 1: were got mm hmm right. Why do I say that?
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  Speaker 1: I say that because it is the absolute worst place
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  Speaker 1: that you can go. Once you're gone there, you're going
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  Speaker 1: you know that that's the worst that can happen outside
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  Speaker 1: of death. And so when you're in a struggle, right,
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  Speaker 1: you have to understand that in the struggle, the struggle
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: is not about physicality. It's not about war in terms
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  Speaker 1: of fighting, in terms of beating someone. War, its greatest
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  Speaker 1: tool is the mental to get you to accept defeat.
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  Speaker 1: We know. The thing about it is that I had
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  Speaker 1: a younger brother. He went to prison, and I went
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  Speaker 1: to visit him in prison, and you know, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't I was in tears watching him,
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  Speaker 1: and he was saying, I can't cry, I gotta stay hard,
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  Speaker 1: and that false narrative. And then he said he had
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  Speaker 1: to connect with some certain people in the prison so
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  Speaker 1: he can stay safe. He had to get into a
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  Speaker 1: click or run so he can be able to have
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  Speaker 1: somebody to have his back. And then you talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, when your time becomes short, people can
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: do things to make your time extend or attempt to
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  Speaker 1: kill you. So there's a mindset that operates in prison.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just taking knowledge from your book. Your book is amazing,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and the book is called Better not Better, Living on
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  Speaker 1: the Purpose, Living on the Purpose in the pursuit of
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  Speaker 1: racial justice, and the story you take away, I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at a humble man looking at the educated man, and
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  Speaker 1: you're right, you don't fit the example of somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: been wrong, who's been in prison, and then actually taking
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  Speaker 1: away some really key developmental years. You know, fifteen to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: eighteen is when you really start learned about responsibility, learned
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  Speaker 1: about being a man, learned about trying to go to college,
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  Speaker 1: learned about trying to trying to if I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 1: a wife in my life. You was in jail during
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  Speaker 1: that period, and so what allowed you to be able
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  Speaker 1: to I know your your your faith, I know you're
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the Muslim community was there for you, your your your
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  Speaker 1: parents were there, but you have to be there for yourself.
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  Speaker 1: How did you, as a mature young man, be there
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  Speaker 1: for yourself? I think I think a lot of that
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  Speaker 1: was when you asked me about the name, right when
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  Speaker 1: you respond to I was told this, but I didn't
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  Speaker 1: yet really truly know this. And what I mean by
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: it is that I was told that in the community
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  Speaker 1: where I came from, my parents had to observe me
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  Speaker 1: for seven days. Right, they knew, just like African communities
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  Speaker 1: know that the child that is born is actually a
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  Speaker 1: gift from the creator, but in the it's on the community.
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  Speaker 1: What happens is that you have to observe the child
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  Speaker 1: to figure out who this is so that you can
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  Speaker 1: need it. You don't want to name it Hennessy. And
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything bad about anyone who names their
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: child Henessey, but I want you to understand that when
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: you give a person a name of person a name
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  Speaker 1: that defines who they are. And so my parents named
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  Speaker 1: me us. I never knew what youse have meant. My
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: middle name is injuries, my other middle name is father,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and my last name is A loved. Oftentimes people will say, hey,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: what's your name, and I would say Sometimes they would
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  Speaker 1: call me Joseph, and I got upset because Joseph won'ta
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  Speaker 1: sound nothing like you, not to me. I got the prisoner.
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  Speaker 1: I found out in the Bible there was a young
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: man named Usa in the Bible. And I found out
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in the Koran there's a young man named Joseph in
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the Koran. And I'm mixing it up, of course, because
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I found out the Arabic equivalent to the word use
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: of is Joseph in English, but the definition was never there.
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  Speaker 1: Reading books about baby names, I found out that use
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  Speaker 1: of means God will increase that injuries means the teacher
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  Speaker 1: for otherly with justice and salamis peace. My parents named
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  Speaker 1: me seven days after I was born. God will increase
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  Speaker 1: the teacher with justice and peace. When you are looking
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  Speaker 1: for purpose, quite often times it's not until later in
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: our lives we try to say to ourselves and am
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  Speaker 1: I supposed to be dooding? What's my purpose in life?
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  Speaker 1: But imagine finding purpose in the value the value of despair.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Dr King said, when you find your purpose
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  Speaker 1: in life, do it as if God himself called you
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  Speaker 1: to do it. At this very month, he gave us
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: this beautiful example, not of the greatest purpose, but of
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: what purpose still is? He said. If your purpose in
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: life is a how much streets? He said, sweep the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: streets like Michaelangelo painted pictures. Sweep the streets like they told,
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  Speaker 1: and composed music like weal, Tom Pryce saying before the opera,
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  Speaker 1: Imagine that kind of individual turning up their life in
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  Speaker 1: dark spaces. Imagine that person raising their vibrations. And collectively
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  Speaker 1: we can always our workers. Collectively we can altern up
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  Speaker 1: our life. And I think that when I looked at
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you know, being associated right in prison, it wasn't that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I was just defining myself as Muslim. But I was
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  Speaker 1: born must But now I was studying. Anytime you have
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: a people tell you what something is. Often times you said,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: if I don't want to be that you hear the
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  Speaker 1: word Muslim, and you say, those are terrorists. I don't
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: know to tell about my daughters. Once I said, listen,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: if you know, was very busy. If I'm running towards
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a plane and I gotta connect to other planes and
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: all of this stuff, imagine this scenario to a plane
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  Speaker 1: and I get to the plane about to close the door,
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  Speaker 1: and just in the mid of the time, Wow, sir,
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  Speaker 1: we were just about the closes the door. You've made it.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, wow, God is the greatest. I get
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  Speaker 1: on the plane. I see somebody in the first class.
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  Speaker 1: They had yet open their water. I grabbed their water,
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  Speaker 1: say said okay. They said yes. I say thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I opened their water, drink the water. Said Wow, God
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  Speaker 1: is the greatest. Wom scenario, same scenario. Remind you there
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  Speaker 1: are Christians in a Rabio. Same scenario. They speak Arabic,
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  Speaker 1: they say Allah for God. Christians. Same scenario. I'm running
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  Speaker 1: to the plane, I kicked it he said, Wow, sir,
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  Speaker 1: you chest made you. We were just about to close
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  Speaker 1: the door. I say, a law who I thought, I
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  Speaker 1: just missed my plane? But you know, you know what happens.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying that the definitions right as soon as people understand, oh,
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  Speaker 1: they're just saying God. Right, there's a lot who fought me.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: It means God is the greatest or God is greater
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  Speaker 1: than anything. So when you hear the call to prayer,
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  Speaker 1: which says a lot who I thought, say to yourself,
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  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to stop everything and turned to God and
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  Speaker 1: be thankfu. That's absolutely true. But I have to give
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  Speaker 1: when you're thankful, God war some beautiful process. We know.
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  Speaker 1: The thing about it is that because I want to
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: wrap up, but I want to say a few things
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that I want you to respond to it. You know
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it's incarcerated. Uh then uh. Donald Trump to got an
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  Speaker 1: ade eighty five dollars and ads calling you guys everything,
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  Speaker 1: every every bad name. He could say that, he could
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: put it in the newspaper. He didn become our president,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: so we know the values he have for men of color.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: And nineteen in each seven you walked out of prison.
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  Speaker 1: Um spend time in prison for a crime you didn't do,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: two thousand two years exonerated, then you received the settlement,
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  Speaker 1: and then um Able Duvename. I think what Able Duvenat
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  Speaker 1: did you guys was like for me visual and a
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  Speaker 1: global perspective. Really freed you guys, I said, freed you
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  Speaker 1: guys from an inn a media standpoint, in a in
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  Speaker 1: a standpoint. You know, the court can say you're free,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: but what she did was set you all free. And
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: that's important to know. And now with that freedom that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you now have the intellect that you gained being educated
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: in prison, being educated by life, being exonerated, getting some
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: money for for being in jail for a crime you
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: didn't commit, which we know is never enough because those
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: years to value years. What is the purpose? What is
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: your goal? Because you talked about purpose as we close
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: out this interview, what is your purpose? Master yourself? Salon,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I think my greatest purpose is the fault with God.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: The greatest purpose is to utilize my story and tell people,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: like I've always said in more recent times that the
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Central Park geogra case is not what you think it is.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: It's actually a love story between God and the people.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Center Park geograph case. The case is a case where
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: God has used it in place, the whole system on
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: trial in order to produce some mirracle a lout of times.
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  Speaker 1: It's a story of how people can be buried alive
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and for God the system for God we were seeing,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and it's the story of a people who have been
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: given a social death, and instead of being buried alive
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and forgotten, they emerged like the phoenix from the actions
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: because as they built the fire to consume us, they
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: forgot that God is the owner of the If we
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: believe again and we're thankful and we say to ourselves,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: help me. Right when you say to God, help me,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: guess what happens? God helps you. It's so beautiful. Like
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I said, it's it's one of those things that it's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: got until you are tested that you can really say.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I got to testify, because you can't testify unless you've
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: been tested, you know. I was listening to my my
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  Speaker 1: inspiration et and he said something to the practice said,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody wants to be a die, but nobody
• 35:21
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• 35:24
  Speaker 1: more pressure and then the more pressure that's added to
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: create a diamond out of that piece of cold and
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: then after the pressure, nobody wants to be cut because
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: cutting the diet, cutting the cold into the shape of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the diamond is what proves that it's a dial and
• 35:42
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• 35:51
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  Speaker 1: better not better? Living on purpose in the pursuit of
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  Speaker 1: racial justice. Master didn't say master right there on the book,
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  Speaker 1: but it should say that. You should say humble, You
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