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Deep Dive into Hunter Biden & the Weaponization of the Federal Government: Part 2 with Jim Jordan · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Washington, d C. Part two of our deep
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Speaker 1: dive into the Biden crime family and the investigation. Senator
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Speaker 1: as always great to be with you here in d
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Speaker 1: C with our special guest, Congressman Jim Jordan, and I
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Speaker 1: want to remind people we did part one that came
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Speaker 1: out on Wednesday morning with some very big breaking news
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Speaker 1: in that if you missed it, go back and listen
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Speaker 1: to it. It's an important show.
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Speaker 2: Well, Wednesday show and Today's show are designed to really
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Speaker 2: be a resource if you're wondering, all right, what's going
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Speaker 2: on with all of this scandal and listen. It's hard.
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Speaker 2: You're busy, you're working. You know, you turn on the TV,
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Speaker 2: you hear a SoundBite here or there, but you may
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Speaker 2: not understand what all is going on. And the great
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Speaker 2: thing about a podcast, I have to admit, you know,
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Speaker 2: having done this now for several years, what I like
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Speaker 2: about the format is we didn't have an actual conversation
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Speaker 2: yet you're not rushed and get into real details. And
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Speaker 2: so this is part two, and Part two we're going
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Speaker 2: to start with.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 2: Look, one of the things you're chairman in the House
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Speaker 2: of the House Judiciary Committee, but also the subcommittee on
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Speaker 2: the weaponization of the federal government. And and and let's
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Speaker 2: start with you know, as you know, the last book
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Speaker 2: I wrote was Justice Corrupted. How how the Left has
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Speaker 2: weaponized our legal system? And and you're you're sharing a
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Speaker 2: subcommittee focused on that. Tell us what is the focus
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Speaker 2: of the subcommittee and what does it mean weaponizing the
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Speaker 2: federal government?
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Speaker 3: The agencies have been turned on on on the American people,
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Speaker 3: the people they're supposed to serve. So instead of serving
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Speaker 3: the the taxpayer, the people who pay their salaries, you
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Speaker 3: pay for our government, I think they've been it's been
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Speaker 3: turned against turned against Americans for political reasons. And I
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Speaker 3: would actually go back to remember about a year ago,
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Speaker 3: I guess it's a less than a year ago, when
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Speaker 3: when Joe Biden stood in front of the Independence Hall
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Speaker 3: called half the country fascist.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's bathed in red light. It looked like Emperor Palpatine.
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Speaker 2: It was from Star Wars.
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Speaker 3: It was kind of crazy, kind of creepy.
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Speaker 2: And and but he said everything you said except for
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Speaker 2: the word kind of yeah it was. It was bad.
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Speaker 3: And so now you think about we feel like some
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Speaker 3: of these agencies are focused. Just with that mindset, I'll
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Speaker 3: give you a great example. This happened in the in
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Speaker 3: the Field office of the Richmond Field Office of the
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Speaker 3: of the FBI. They put together this memorandum they call
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Speaker 3: it in the FBI, they called it a domain perspective,
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Speaker 3: and we've actually seen it. The one that's you know,
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Speaker 3: very few redactions. The first one that came out, we
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Speaker 3: had a lot of redactions, but one of the very
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Speaker 3: few redactions and this was the Radical Traditional Catholic Memorandum.
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Speaker 2: And you read through this.
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Speaker 3: They were talking about developing sources inside the parish, informants
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Speaker 3: inside the church. I mean the idea that someone and
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Speaker 3: this was signed off on by five people at the
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Speaker 3: at the Richmond Field Office, including the Chief Division Council.
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Speaker 3: So some lawyer who went to law school and probably
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Speaker 3: should have had a course on the Constitution that they
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Speaker 3: did it. Some talk them about the First Amendment Bill Rice,
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Speaker 3: and yet they signed off on this.
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Speaker 2: And when you're talking about sending spies into Catholic churches
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Speaker 2: and trying to recruit priests to be informants for the FBI,
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Speaker 2: now yeah, right right, Actually you think about it and
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Speaker 2: your confessional like, what's going on?
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Speaker 1: This is crazy?
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Speaker 2: So now they on this point and I want to
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Speaker 2: keep on the deep dive. But I do have to
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Speaker 2: tell you one of my favorite stories. So Justice Antonin Scalia,
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Speaker 2: one of the greatest justices ever to serve on the Court.
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Speaker 2: When Justice Scalia is nominated to the d C Circuit, UH,
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Speaker 2: the FBI. Anytime you get nominated to be a judge,
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Speaker 2: the FBI does a background check and Scalia gets a
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Speaker 2: call from his childhood priest, and the priest says, Nino,
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Speaker 2: FBI called asking questions about you. Don't you worry. I
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Speaker 2: didn't tell him nothing.
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Speaker 1: That's a true story. Really, that's a great The answer
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Speaker 1: that's that's you don't switch after that, you stick with him.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a great story.
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Speaker 3: So this memorandum, this domain perspective, talks about the you know,
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Speaker 3: sources inside in the parish, inside the church. But what
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Speaker 3: trouble me is when you read through it, what they
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Speaker 3: really were defining as a radical traditional Catholic. They had
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Speaker 3: a footnote about the Dobbs decision. They said that the
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Speaker 3: extremists and radical traditional Catholics may find common ground. I
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Speaker 3: forget how the sentence exactly went, but it was something
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Speaker 3: to defect on on abortion, on on marriage.
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Speaker 1: It was basically if.
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Speaker 2: You're in the Latin Mass. If if you if you
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Speaker 2: attended the Latin Mass, if you're a pro life, pro
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Speaker 2: family Catholic, you're radical. It was funny because when this
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Speaker 2: sort of came out a couple of months ago, I
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Speaker 2: happened to be doing Seann Duffy show because he's on
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Speaker 2: Fox Business, and Sean was asked about it, and I said, Sean,
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Speaker 2: when you read through this and kind of read between
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Speaker 2: the lines, it's like, I thought of you and Rachel's
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Speaker 2: family because they got they got like thirty kids, you know,
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Speaker 2: in their pro life old family. They're they're wonderful, great people.
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Speaker 2: Sean was a great member. And it's like that they're
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Speaker 2: defining them as radical.
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Speaker 1: That's like, that's how the radical values in the eyes
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Speaker 1: of the government.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Catholic Church if you and actually I
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Speaker 2: would say more broadly that they define it as anyone
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Speaker 2: who's serious about their faith, that that makes you inherently suspect,
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Speaker 2: and that is so contrary to the First Amendment. It's like,
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Speaker 2: and you know, the FBI I pulled this back, but
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Speaker 2: would they have pulled it back but for a whistleblower
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Speaker 2: who came and told us, like I don't know. I'd
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Speaker 2: like to think they would.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's the same way that going after parents and
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Speaker 1: categorizing parents as you're you are a domestic terrorists if
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Speaker 1: you show up school board and you get angry at
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Speaker 1: what they're doing with your kids.
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Speaker 2: Well, and Jim broke the story about how the FBI
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Speaker 2: is currently using a threat tag. So look, we've discussed
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Speaker 2: great life. How Merrick Garland one of the first things
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Speaker 2: he did was directed the FBI to go after and
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Speaker 2: target parents who dare speak up at school boards and
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Speaker 2: to treat them. This was in response to the Nasal
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Speaker 2: Association of school Boards YEP that asked that parents be
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Speaker 2: treated as domestic terrorist under the Patriot Act. And within
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Speaker 2: five or six days Merrick Garland snaps to attention issues
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Speaker 2: the memorandum. It becomes public. Nas Association of school Board
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Speaker 2: apologizes for it after the hearing. Yeah, but Merrick Garland
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Speaker 2: doesn't back down at all. And then what you broke
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Speaker 2: is they're still doing it.
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Speaker 1: Dad.
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Speaker 3: Memorandum is still in place. The memorandum from Richmond has
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Speaker 3: been rescinded. Thankful, Yes, go back to the school board thing.
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Speaker 3: It'd been you and the Center bring this up. September
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Speaker 3: twenty ninth, twenty twenty one, the school Board Association, left
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Speaker 3: wing political group puts out the memorandum use the Patriot
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Speaker 3: Act against moms and dads. Five days later, is October fourth,
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Speaker 3: the Attorney General the United States issues of memorandum doing.
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Speaker 1: Exactly what the school Boards Association ask.
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Speaker 3: And then two weeks later on October twentieth, October twentieth,
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Speaker 3: sixteen days later, on October.
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Speaker 2: Twenty let me ask you something. You're the chairman of
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Speaker 2: the House Judiciary Committee. Does the Biden DOJ respond to
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Speaker 2: you in five days? That's a good that's a great point.
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Speaker 2: Now they don't respond to the Senate Judiciary Committee, No,
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Speaker 2: they don't, But think about it. In October twentieth is
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Speaker 2: when the threat tag and an email gets sent out
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Speaker 2: to FBI agents all across the country, all the field offices.
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Speaker 2: So I always tell people so, from September twenty ninth
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Speaker 2: to October twentieth, twenty two days to your point, when
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Speaker 2: have you ever seen the federal government move that fast?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Never, But when it came to well, they did find
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Speaker 2: the laker of the Dobbs decision, right, yes.
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Speaker 1: And record time right, record time?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, right, that's another issue though, But you
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Speaker 3: talk about weaponization, that is that is like turning when
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Speaker 3: you think that the Justice Department didn't prosecute any of
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Speaker 3: these people who were protested at Justices Holmes. The attack
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Speaker 3: on the court, yep, all designed I think to intimate
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Speaker 3: the court. You have that particular decision and set the
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Speaker 3: stage for what they really want to do, which is.
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Speaker 2: Packed the court. Well, weaponization, you've talked about this and
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Speaker 2: wrote about this. Weaponization is twofold. It is both using
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Speaker 2: the machinery of government as a weapon to attack your enemies,
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Speaker 2: but it's also declining to give the protection of law
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Speaker 2: to people you disagree with and so and look, this
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Speaker 2: is something that George Soros prosecutors understand. We have das
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Speaker 2: who come in and they realize you can abolish the
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Speaker 2: police by shutting the police down, or you could abolish
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Speaker 2: the police by putting a DA in who won't prosecute
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Speaker 2: violent criminals. Either one wills the same prosecute the folks
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Speaker 2: that the good police officers go out and all those
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Speaker 2: good cops on the street to go out and arrest
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Speaker 2: won't prosecute them. No, you're exactly right, And Merrick Garland's
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Speaker 2: doing the same thing. It is a federal crime, unequivocal
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Speaker 2: on the statute books that you cannot protest at a
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Speaker 2: justice's home. They've done so, night after night after night,
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Speaker 2: and DJ is not prosecuted a single person. They directed
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Speaker 2: the marshals not to arrest them. Yep, directly contrary to law.
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Speaker 2: And Merrick Garland when asked, I've asked him at great lengths,
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Speaker 2: he just he thought he won't. He doesn't like that
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Speaker 2: law eighteen Usc. Section fifteen oh seven.
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Speaker 3: You know you can, you can raise concerns about Okay,
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Speaker 3: what is that is that law got some First Amendment problems.
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Speaker 2: It's the law and it was and they were doing
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Speaker 2: the way people firebombingcy crisis pregnancy centers. They don't prosecute
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Speaker 2: that either. They've got the resources people undercover of the
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Speaker 2: Catholic churches.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to find people at night when they
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Speaker 1: commit crimes. That's why they can't get them.
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Speaker 2: But it was hundreds of churches. It's convenient most criminals
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Speaker 2: smit their crimes during the day because really, this DJ
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Speaker 2: can't be bothered to turn the lights on.
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Speaker 3: Hundreds of churches and crisis pregnancy centers have been attacked
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Speaker 3: and in the aftermath of the leak, and as you
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Speaker 3: pointed out earlier Centator, we still we still don't know
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Speaker 3: you know, who the who the leaker was, but what
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Speaker 3: we I think we can logically figure out what the
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Speaker 3: motive was, what it was to intimidate the court and
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Speaker 3: get them to change that decision.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of Americans that are gonna, I know,
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Speaker 1: think is there going to be any accountability for abuse
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Speaker 1: of power? And I want to go back to the
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Speaker 1: investigation with Hunter Biden and the Biden family. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: about how many bidens are involved. And I understand that
10:20
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10:22
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Speaker 1: having coming in. And let's talk about where the money's
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Speaker 1: talk about these suspicious activity reports, because for people that
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Speaker 1: don't know what that is, banks can flag things, they
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Speaker 1: can flag things I think are suspicious, yeap, And there's
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Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of them connected to the
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Speaker 1: last name Biden. Why are there so many? First off,
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Speaker 1: and is it because so much of the money is
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Speaker 1: coming in from places that are shady or is it
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Speaker 1: because they know who the money is coming from and
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Speaker 1: they've already said this is a bad actor.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's probably all the above. What we're
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Speaker 3: trying to put all those pieces together. But you know,
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Speaker 3: it's Ukraine, it's China, it's Russia. You're not not exactly
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Speaker 3: the countries that you jump to the to the top
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Speaker 3: of the list that are, you know, reputable kind of
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Speaker 3: places where you're going to be doing business. So I
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Speaker 3: think you know, what was it the mayor of Moscow's
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Speaker 3: wife gave Hunter, I forget that one was a ton of.
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Speaker 1: Several million, million million blos.
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Speaker 3: Just go on and on and so there's there's a
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Speaker 3: number of these places where it's coming from. I think complexity.
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Speaker 3: You know twenty some LLC's that are set up that
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Speaker 3: with the Biden family and their partners, uh this this
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Speaker 3: Robinson Walker guy and these others. When you got that
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Speaker 3: many LLC's companies you're setting up, I think complexity was
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Speaker 3: the was the objective, and it was designed to it
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Speaker 3: seems to me.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you enforcement question. When you have crooks,
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Speaker 2: when you have drug cartails, when you have the mafia,
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Speaker 2: why did they create all sorts of shell corporations to
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Speaker 2: move them. Yep, no, I know because it's it's probably
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Speaker 2: because it's money laundry. But so we don't know if
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Speaker 2: that's the same thing going on here. But it all
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Speaker 2: starts to look suspicious again.
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Speaker 3: I think we we talked about this in our last one.
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Speaker 3: But you know, there aren't just one or two suspicious
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Speaker 3: activity reports. There's one hundred and seventy some. And it's
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Speaker 3: not just one or two LLCs. It's not like one
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Speaker 3: company one into they set up and receives money. They're
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Speaker 3: doing real work, real business, real real real value, real
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Speaker 3: real service.
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Speaker 2: That's not the case. There's twenty some of these LLCs
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Speaker 2: and they're getting money from all these countries that have
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Speaker 2: got kind of shady concerns there, and it's literally millions
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Speaker 2: of dollars. So and you know, it's an amazing thing. Look,
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Speaker 2: there are people in politics who have family members who
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Speaker 2: are lobbyists, who say, okay, you know you've got a
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Speaker 2: Democrat who's got a family member who goes and works
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Speaker 2: where a big labor union goes, works with a teachers union,
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Speaker 2: that that stuff is shady but not generally legal. It
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Speaker 2: really says something when when the son of the vice
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Speaker 2: president decides his business model is not just to go
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Speaker 2: get a bunch of Democrat clients to hire him to
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Speaker 2: influence Dad, but but go to foreign nations Communist China, Russia,
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Speaker 2: and Ukraine. I mean that's quite the collection. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's you know, you know, you kind of wonder where
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Speaker 2: like Libya and Iran and North Korea. Yeah, right, I
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Speaker 2: mean it there's one hundred and seventy. You may be
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Speaker 2: in well, I have no evidence of that. I'm not
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Speaker 2: suggesting that, but it really is. Well, well, remember when
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Speaker 2: Ukraine was I think in the list of corrupt countries
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Speaker 2: was like maybe number one is like right near the
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Speaker 2: top just that in and of itself, and Russia is
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Speaker 2: certainly corrupt kind of kind of place for business as well.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, those are those are right near the top
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Speaker 2: of the list. And this is where hunter Biden's getting
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Speaker 2: getting a lot of money.
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Speaker 1: How much are you concerned about the fact that apparently
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Speaker 1: the money that was coming in from the Russians is
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Speaker 1: coming in from individuals has still not been named as
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Speaker 1: those that are being sanctioned by our government. A new
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Speaker 1: round of sanctions came out a few weeks ago. Not
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Speaker 1: on that list are the people that gave Hunter Biden,
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Speaker 1: the Biden family millions of dollars.
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Speaker 3: Literally, yeah, I mean we'll have to We'll have to see,
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Speaker 3: but you know, I meant the I'm at the point
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Speaker 3: now there's not a whole lot that surprised me. One
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Speaker 3: of the things I've learned and over over time is
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Speaker 3: you've been involved none of these investigations.
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Speaker 2: Whether we go clear back. I think it's ten years
15:34
Speaker 2: ago this week when we first learned about lowist Learner
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Speaker 2: and the irs targeting you know, conservatives when you were
15:38
Speaker 2: running for office. So the one thing I always learned
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Speaker 2: is when you get in these investigations that the one
15:46
Speaker 2: thing we always get wrong is it's always worse than
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Speaker 2: we thought. And that may maybe maybe.
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Speaker 1: That the business worse than you thought.
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Speaker 2: I mean, well, it may not be with Biden's. I
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Speaker 2: don't know yet because we haven't completed the investigation, but
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Speaker 2: every other one that's always been the case. And remember
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Speaker 2: when Lewis Learner, who was a senior official at the
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Speaker 2: Department of Justice, she was targeting conservative she was targeting
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Speaker 2: Tea party groups, she was targeting pro Israel groups, she
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Speaker 2: was targeting pro life groups, she was targeting groups that
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Speaker 2: included in their title anything about the Constitution or the
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Speaker 2: Bill of Rights. That was suspect patriot if you believed
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Speaker 2: in the Bill of Rights. Yeah, scary that that was
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Speaker 2: a yeah. And you remember when the news broke. The
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Speaker 2: news broke because the Department of Treasury Inspector General YEP
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Speaker 2: reported on it, and Barack Obama went and did a
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Speaker 2: press conference and he said, quote, I am angry, and
16:35
Speaker 2: the American people have a right to be angry. Now
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Speaker 2: that that was actually good. The second half of it
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Speaker 2: was right. The first half of it was a lie.
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Speaker 2: And it was a lie because he wasn't angry. He
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Speaker 2: was angry he got caught. But if he was angry,
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Speaker 2: he wouldn't have done what he did after that, which
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Speaker 2: is stonewall and stonewall and stonewall and refute. And when
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Speaker 2: Lois Lerner pleads the fifth and refuses to testify and
16:56
Speaker 2: is held in contempt of Congress, you know what, his
16:59
Speaker 2: Department of Justice didn't prosecute, right, And I believe he
17:03
Speaker 2: said later on that he didn't think anyone did anything wrong.
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Speaker 2: And it's like there's a pending investigation. You can't have
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Speaker 2: the you can't have the head of the executive brand
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Speaker 2: saying you know nothing in the outcome and that there's
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Speaker 2: nothing wrong here. So yeah, but he what she did
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Speaker 2: was just targeting conservative groups applying for taxis M status
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Speaker 2: and having this be on the lookout list of people
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Speaker 2: applying for the reasons you stated so well. And that
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Speaker 2: was the model for what's happened under Biden. And by
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Speaker 2: the way, in between Obama and Biden, you know, the
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Speaker 2: Trump administration and amazingly enough, the federal government was weaponized
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Speaker 2: against him, the sitting president. You know, Ben asked a
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Speaker 2: minute ago about accountability. What what accountability has there been
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Speaker 2: for the DOJ and FBI officials involved in crossfire hurricane.
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Speaker 3: I know, I know it's other than Clin Smith who
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Speaker 3: falsified a document in front of the FISA court. No
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Speaker 3: one's had anything, And it's probably the question I get
18:03
Speaker 3: more than any other. I'm sure you get the same
18:04
Speaker 3: way when you're out and about talking with folks around
18:06
Speaker 3: the country.
18:07
Speaker 2: And by the way, let's pause on Clin Smith, because
18:11
Speaker 2: we've lived this for a while, but not everyone listening
18:13
Speaker 2: to this. So Cline Smith was an assistant General counsel
18:18
Speaker 2: at the FBI who fraudulently created a counterfeit document and
18:23
Speaker 2: submitted it to a federal court. And in particular, what
18:28
Speaker 2: the counterfeit document was is they wanted to get a
18:31
Speaker 2: wire tap on Carter Page. It was one of the
18:35
Speaker 2: foreign policy advisors advising the Trump campaign. This is in
18:39
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and the basis for this wire tap is
18:44
Speaker 2: carter Page was talking to some shady Russians. And so
18:48
Speaker 2: the FBI, doing actually its job, reached out and emailed
18:51
Speaker 2: the CIA and said, hey, is this guy a source?
18:55
Speaker 2: He's an asset for you? Because if you're talking to
18:58
Speaker 2: shady Russians, pretty suspicious if you're.
19:02
Speaker 1: Doing it on behalf of your country, the United it's America,
19:04
Speaker 1: thank you, it's not.
19:06
Speaker 2: It's not suspicious, like it's a good thing.
19:08
Speaker 1: Is he our guy? Is he one of us? Is
19:10
Speaker 1: he a friendly?
19:11
Speaker 2: And so clin Smith emails the CIA says, is he
19:15
Speaker 2: a source for you? See I emails back, Yes he is.
19:18
Speaker 2: He is a source. And Clinesmith takes that email and
19:22
Speaker 2: he fraudulently alters it and he changes is a source
19:26
Speaker 2: to is not a source?
19:28
Speaker 1: Degree? So how many days has he been in jail
19:30
Speaker 1: for this? Zero?
19:31
Speaker 2: Not a day, that's not a day.
19:34
Speaker 1: That's and that's the.
19:35
Speaker 2: That was submitted to a federal court. And I guarantee
19:37
Speaker 2: if any of us created a fraudulent document and submitted
19:40
Speaker 2: it to a federal court, you do real jail.
19:43
Speaker 1: Jail.
19:43
Speaker 3: And the thing always sticks out to me is one
19:45
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty degree change in the meaning is is not?
19:49
Speaker 3: It's just like you can't change it more.
19:52
Speaker 1: They did that. So I still go back to that campaign.
19:55
Speaker 1: I remember how they said Donald Trump was insane because
19:58
Speaker 1: he said they were spying on my campaign and they
20:01
Speaker 1: said it was Obama said that, no, it'spying on his camp.
20:04
Speaker 1: That's ludicrous.
20:06
Speaker 2: They sounds like something fifty one intelligence officials.
20:08
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, just get the sign a letter. Now
20:10
Speaker 1: it's all good.
20:11
Speaker 2: You know, Look, Crossfire Hurricane. Part of the reason it
20:15
Speaker 2: happened is nobody believed Trump would be president, so they'd
20:22
Speaker 2: never been caught. If Hillary had won, this would have
20:26
Speaker 2: all faded.
20:27
Speaker 1: Remember Crossfire Hurricane, just so they understand it exactly.
20:30
Speaker 2: So. Crossfire Hurricane was the name given to the effort
20:35
Speaker 2: to target the person who was then the Republican nominee
20:39
Speaker 2: to be president, and it was the deep state engaged
20:44
Speaker 2: in war, and it was the same weaponization that had
20:47
Speaker 2: begun under Obama and actually Crossfire hurricane began under Obama
20:51
Speaker 2: and then it waged on under Trump. And actually July fifth,
21:00
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, there was a meeting in the Oval Office
21:02
Speaker 2: with Barack Obama, with Joe Biden, with Jim Comey, it
21:06
Speaker 2: was the head of the FBI, with James James Clapper,
21:10
Speaker 2: and they decided, we're going to keep this going and
21:18
Speaker 2: we're going to target the president. At that point, they
21:20
Speaker 2: knew Trump was coming in. He was fifteen days away
21:22
Speaker 2: from being sworn in, and they said, keep it going,
21:25
Speaker 2: and they made a decision. And by the way, that's
21:27
Speaker 2: where Joe Biden suggested in that meeting, going after Michael Flynn,
21:32
Speaker 2: the incoming National Security Advisor under the Logan Act, which
21:38
Speaker 2: the Logan Act three times in history, has been enforced
21:42
Speaker 2: so bad it makes it a crime essentially for a
21:46
Speaker 2: private citizen to engage in diplomacy with foreign countries.
21:50
Speaker 1: It's and daily.
21:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also when they decided to go up
21:58
Speaker 3: to Trump Tower president elect Trump January fifth of twenty seventeen,
22:03
Speaker 3: so he's president elect. They go up there and Comy
22:06
Speaker 3: briefs him on the dossier that they already knew was false,
22:09
Speaker 3: and Kmy briefs him on it. And I'm convinced the
22:10
Speaker 3: only reason because that had been paid for but the
22:12
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton campaign, right, And the only reason he briefs
22:14
Speaker 3: him on it is so that they can leak it, yep,
22:17
Speaker 3: so that they can tell so that they can say
22:19
Speaker 3: it was so important. Jim Comy went to New York
22:22
Speaker 3: to brief President elect Trump on the dossier that then
22:25
Speaker 3: leaks they printed. That's when it all got rolling. That
22:28
Speaker 3: led to ultimately led to the Special Council after Trump
22:32
Speaker 3: Fire's combing and to get the Special Council. It's also
22:34
Speaker 3: interesting you mentioned a cross for a hurricane. I obviouls
22:36
Speaker 3: think this is funny because remember the Hillary Clinton email.
22:40
Speaker 3: That investigation was called the mid Year Exam, you know,
22:44
Speaker 3: very boring and playing. But going into President Trump was
22:47
Speaker 3: like crossfire. You can see him pound in their chest
22:51
Speaker 3: like we're gonna.
22:51
Speaker 1: Get so like.
22:52
Speaker 2: Even the names they give these things kind of indicate
22:55
Speaker 2: the bias that exists there with folks in the government.
23:00
Speaker 1: You've seen a lot in investigations. What has shocked you
23:05
Speaker 1: the most by your investigation how the Biden family has exploded,
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23:14
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Speaker 1: What shocked you the most?
24:32
Speaker 3: I think one of the things that and I've touched
24:34
Speaker 3: on it a little bit before, But Elvis Chan has
24:37
Speaker 3: a sworn declaration with when Senator Schmidt, then former Attorney
24:41
Speaker 3: General Schmid and Missouri brought a case against the big
24:44
Speaker 3: tech companies in this collusion, in this suppression of information
24:48
Speaker 3: on Elvis Chan has a declaration in there where he
24:51
Speaker 3: says that.
24:54
Speaker 1: Repeatedly, excuse me, I.
24:56
Speaker 2: Said that wrong.
24:56
Speaker 3: Elvis Chan is the FBI agent talking to yol Off
25:00
Speaker 3: at Twitter, and Joel Ross says in his sworn declaration
25:05
Speaker 3: that repeatedly in the month of October twenty twenty, we
25:09
Speaker 3: had agencies telling us FBI another agencies telling us to
25:13
Speaker 3: expect a Hunter Biden laptop hacking lee There's gonna be
25:17
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a hack and leak operation that will
25:20
Speaker 3: happen in October of twenty twenty, and it will involve
25:23
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden. And we were repeatedly told that by various
25:26
Speaker 3: government agencies, and the FBI was in.
25:28
Speaker 2: Possession of Hunter's laptop.
25:30
Speaker 3: They already had the laptop. So they're being repeatedly told
25:33
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen, When it's gonna happen, Who it's going
25:36
Speaker 3: to involve, what's gonna happen, hack in leak, when it's
25:39
Speaker 3: gonna happen October twenty twenty, just weeks before the most
25:41
Speaker 3: important election we have, and who it's gonna involve.
25:43
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden.
25:44
Speaker 3: And you step back and you say, how in the
25:46
Speaker 3: freak did they know? And of course they knew because
25:49
Speaker 3: what Senator just said, they had the lab So that's
25:50
Speaker 3: when to me, like, oh my goodness, they had the laptop,
25:56
Speaker 3: they expected it to get public. Now we all know
25:58
Speaker 3: there's an October surprise. We get one every four years,
26:01
Speaker 3: right right, so that doesn't surprise us. But when you
26:03
Speaker 3: can name exactly what the October surprise is going to be,
26:07
Speaker 3: that's like I've said, when I first were these guys
26:10
Speaker 3: clairvoyant to how did they know? How did they they
26:13
Speaker 3: were profits? You know, they could figure it out, like, no,
26:15
Speaker 3: they had the doc, they had the laptop, So that's
26:19
Speaker 3: when they had to be like oh, we gotta be kidding.
26:21
Speaker 2: No interest in verifying its authenticity, at least that we
26:25
Speaker 2: know of. They had no interest in investigating the evidence
26:29
Speaker 2: of corruption within the laptop that they were perfectly happy
26:33
Speaker 2: to keep it utterly dormant. That was twenty nineteen. December
26:36
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, they got possession of the laptop. We're sitting
26:39
Speaker 2: here in twenty twenty three and there still hasn't been
26:42
Speaker 2: a prosecute.
26:43
Speaker 1: But great.
26:44
Speaker 2: Finally Hunters admitted it's his laptop in terms of trying
26:47
Speaker 2: to fight against this, but not in Arkansas.
26:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, not in Arkansas. He backpedaled, which is gonna, I think,
26:54
Speaker 1: get him in a lot of trouble. If you notice
26:57
Speaker 1: that when he was down there, it turns like we're
26:59
Speaker 1: not even saying this is real. It's like, well, hold on,
27:01
Speaker 1: you said it somewhere else it was real but for
27:03
Speaker 1: the but no, now it's not real because I don't
27:05
Speaker 1: want to see where my money is because I don't
27:07
Speaker 1: want to have to pay for this kid.
27:08
Speaker 2: So the shortness is, we don't know what the FBI
27:10
Speaker 2: did with the laptop. We don't know if they validated
27:12
Speaker 2: we don't, if they looked at it, they don't. We
27:13
Speaker 2: don't know if we did. They confirmed it, they don't.
27:16
Speaker 2: We we don't know. I know they haven't prosecuted anyone, right,
27:19
Speaker 2: but we do know they were telling big Tech to
27:23
Speaker 2: be on the lookout for those specific things, which suggest
27:28
Speaker 2: they probably did know, or they probably did some of us.
27:31
Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't, but they were that you.
27:34
Speaker 1: Guys, either of you. And I'm asking this because this
27:36
Speaker 1: is the fun part about doing the podcast. Is there
27:38
Speaker 1: any scenario in your mind. You've been watching it a
27:41
Speaker 1: long time, you worked over the Supreme Court, You've had
27:44
Speaker 1: a career law enforce you know where they If you
27:46
Speaker 1: get a laptop of the FBI that you think is
27:48
Speaker 1: a former vice president's sons that has damning information, is
27:53
Speaker 1: there any chance you just shelve it or wouldn't you
27:55
Speaker 1: just out of pure curiosity, be like, we need to
27:58
Speaker 1: go through this to know what's out there.
28:01
Speaker 2: If your real law enforcement, of course you would.
28:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:03
Speaker 2: But even if you're just a TMZ type person, if
28:06
Speaker 2: you're a hardcore partisan who hates Donald Trump, this is
28:15
Speaker 2: the same entity that not long after decided to go
28:20
Speaker 2: undercover targeting the Republican nominee for president. That's an extraordinary situation.
28:26
Speaker 2: Look I'm an alumnus of the Department of Justice. I
28:28
Speaker 2: was an associate Deputy Attorney General under George W.
28:32
Speaker 1: Bush.
28:33
Speaker 2: Look, you might have a situation where the evidence was
28:36
Speaker 2: so compelling you had to investigate the nominee for the
28:38
Speaker 2: other party, But that threshold should be really damn high. Now,
28:43
Speaker 2: not so high that you get a laptop full of
28:46
Speaker 2: incriminating information that he is getting the big guys getting
28:50
Speaker 2: ten percent from communist China. All right, now you're starting
28:52
Speaker 2: to hit a threshold of we got to figure out
28:55
Speaker 2: if this is real. But the FBI and DOJ, what
29:03
Speaker 2: I think happened is hardcore partisans burrowed into senior career positions,
29:12
Speaker 2: and we're comfortable treating the machinery of law enforcement as
29:17
Speaker 2: a tool to protect their friends and attack their enemies.
29:21
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that? Well, I also think it's
29:23
Speaker 2: it's one thing if they get that laptop in October
29:29
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Yeah, that'd be a different story because there's
29:31
Speaker 2: a you know, you you work there, so you know
29:33
Speaker 2: there's a window of time where you sort of like, Okay,
29:35
Speaker 2: we're getting in that really critical political time when America's
29:38
Speaker 2: deciding who's that Do we really want to impact the
29:41
Speaker 2: election with information we bring out.
29:43
Speaker 3: So that's one thing. But this was ten months before that.
29:46
Speaker 2: And by the way, December, right before the twenty twenty election,
29:49
Speaker 2: had or the had information about Joe Biden. Rather, the
29:53
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two election had information about Joe Biden's classified documents,
29:57
Speaker 2: and they did nothing with it. They didn't leak it,
29:59
Speaker 2: they kept secret. But ninety one days before that election
30:02
Speaker 2: they did raid President Trump's home. So outside that ninety
30:06
Speaker 2: day window, I guess ninety one days, you're good to
30:08
Speaker 2: go home. But you find something. Within a month or so,
30:12
Speaker 2: I guess it was a couple of weeks. Eight days,
30:14
Speaker 2: we can week before the election, they don't do anything.
30:17
Speaker 2: So but but with the with the laptop.
30:20
Speaker 3: It's ten months. It's ten months before the election. I
30:24
Speaker 3: think you probably check it out, but who knows what
30:26
Speaker 3: they did. So one of the things that that I
30:29
Speaker 3: think is striking, and you mentioned it before, is the inner.
30:34
Speaker 2: Relation between the federal government and big tech in the media,
30:41
Speaker 2: because they're all intertwined in a way that frankly is
30:44
Speaker 2: is is not natural. The media ought to be.
30:50
Speaker 1: A watch shop.
30:51
Speaker 2: That they ought to be. You know the phrase that
30:53
Speaker 2: that back when we had journalists that they used to
30:55
Speaker 2: be proud of. Is it is, you know, shining a
31:00
Speaker 2: light and holding those in power accountable.
31:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:07
Speaker 2: But what is really stunning that we've seen through your investigation,
31:12
Speaker 2: that we've seen for the Twitter files is how willing
31:16
Speaker 2: big tech was to be the foot soldiers for the government,
31:21
Speaker 2: and how willing the media was weekly meetings to be
31:25
Speaker 2: the foot soldiers for the government. You look at the
31:27
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden. Not only did big tech suppress the story,
31:31
Speaker 2: but they punished the media and deep platform the New
31:34
Speaker 2: York Post. So it was one after the other after the.
31:37
Speaker 1: Other, visibility filtered.
31:39
Speaker 3: Anyone who was trying to talk about the story, share
31:42
Speaker 3: the story, link to the story they did. The visibility
31:45
Speaker 3: filtering is the fancy word big tech uses.
31:47
Speaker 2: Now, Is that a normal thing for big tech to
31:53
Speaker 2: be acting at the behest of the federal government silencing
31:57
Speaker 2: people the federal government doesn't like.
31:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, since uh what Jonathan Turley. Censorship by surrogate is
32:04
Speaker 3: what the professor Turley called it. So there's a template now.
32:07
Speaker 3: And it's scary because I actually think this is the
32:09
Speaker 3: biggest threat we face. We can recover from the crazy
32:12
Speaker 3: border policies, a crazy tax policies, spending policies, crime policies,
32:15
Speaker 3: energy policy.
32:16
Speaker 2: We can recover from all that.
32:17
Speaker 3: But if they if they destroyed the First Amendment, you
32:21
Speaker 3: no longer have this, this amazing thing we call America
32:24
Speaker 3: the greatest country ever. So that's that's what can and
32:27
Speaker 3: the template is always you will get it. The left
32:29
Speaker 3: will tell a lie, the big media will report the lie,
32:34
Speaker 3: big tech will amplify the lie, and then if you
32:37
Speaker 3: try to tell the truth, they call you a racist,
32:39
Speaker 3: they call you names, they try to cancel you, and
32:41
Speaker 3: it's like, what what that that's that's now? What what's
32:44
Speaker 3: happened to our country and to debate and to the
32:47
Speaker 3: First Amendment. So yeah, it's it's it's not supposed to
32:51
Speaker 3: work that way, and it's it's why I really think
32:53
Speaker 3: what we're trying to do relative to the First Amendment,
32:56
Speaker 3: protect it, highlight where it's been abused is so important,
33:01
Speaker 3: and look at getting the facts out there, doing the
33:04
Speaker 3: oversight to get the facts out there, then looking at
33:06
Speaker 3: legislative remedies. What's legislation that we could pass that would
33:09
Speaker 3: actually help with the situation. And then finally, do we
33:13
Speaker 3: have to look at the appropriations process and say some
33:15
Speaker 3: of these agencies shouldn't be getting the money they're getting,
33:18
Speaker 3: at least not in the same way they're getting it now.
33:20
Speaker 3: So talk to us about FBI whistleblowers. And you've had
33:23
Speaker 3: a lot of FBI whistle blowers come to your committee.
33:27
Speaker 3: And by the way, I'll say, if we've got FBI agents,
33:30
Speaker 3: FBI employees, DJ employees who want to blow the whistle,
33:35
Speaker 3: come to Jim, come to my office.
33:38
Speaker 2: You will have the protections of law afforded to whistleblowers.
33:43
Speaker 2: And it's an important part of constitutional accountability. But talk
33:46
Speaker 2: to us about what you've seen from whistleblowers and what
33:49
Speaker 2: we can expect in the week, weeks and months ahead.
33:52
Speaker 3: We planing hearing next week. We haven't got an official
33:55
Speaker 3: schedule yet, but that's what we're looking to do. We
33:56
Speaker 3: think we're going to have four of the whistle blowers
33:58
Speaker 3: come testify. We've had a dozen who've talked to us,
34:02
Speaker 3: We've interviewed half a dozen, and as I mentioned, I
34:06
Speaker 3: think in the last uh last episode was a part one.
34:10
Speaker 3: I guess you call many of them been retaliated against
34:14
Speaker 3: and it's really sad because.
34:16
Speaker 1: What does that look like? So they take the take
34:17
Speaker 1: that picture take their security clearance. Can you do your
34:20
Speaker 1: job without that? You can't?
34:21
Speaker 3: And then and then without your security clearance, you're you
34:25
Speaker 3: You pretty much can't. And some of them just been
34:27
Speaker 3: forced to leave. We had one who was trying to
34:30
Speaker 3: trying to get to UH to get his firearms training
34:35
Speaker 3: records because he needs that for another job, and they
34:38
Speaker 3: slow walked him on that. So it's just like it's
34:41
Speaker 3: just time and issue after issue that that we see
34:43
Speaker 3: with these these guys.
34:46
Speaker 1: In the FBI. You can't do your job without your
34:49
Speaker 1: security clearance to have that a lot of people outside
34:51
Speaker 1: of Washington may not realize that that's like taking your
34:54
Speaker 1: driver's license away from you. And you're a big rig driver,
34:56
Speaker 1: you can't make a living yep, yep.
34:58
Speaker 3: It's really really tough and so uh and it's vindictive too, Yeah,
35:03
Speaker 3: it's trying to crush you financially and.
35:05
Speaker 1: Ruin your life.
35:06
Speaker 2: It's it's in dare you talk to Congress about what
35:10
Speaker 2: we're doing?
35:12
Speaker 1: Yeah?
35:13
Speaker 2: And it's also illegal, yeah, no, it is. You can't
35:16
Speaker 2: retaliates very clear.
35:18
Speaker 3: So, and like I said, one of one of these
35:20
Speaker 3: whistleblowers is wanted to talk to us about the school
35:23
Speaker 3: board issue and what they're what they were trying to
35:25
Speaker 3: do to parents, given us the name of the the
35:29
Speaker 3: the the Education EDI officials, the threat tag label that
35:32
Speaker 3: was put on the twenty seven parents. But we put
35:34
Speaker 3: our report on this. None of these parents were charged
35:37
Speaker 3: with anything. Only one went to a full investigation, and
35:40
Speaker 3: no one's been charged with anything. Many of these places
35:43
Speaker 3: the US attorney and get this memory and they do
35:45
Speaker 3: a little thing and they're like.
35:46
Speaker 2: This is blowning, this is ridiculous.
35:48
Speaker 3: Why are we doing this. It was all done for
35:50
Speaker 3: politics because they thought it was going to help Terry
35:53
Speaker 3: mccaalaughe the next governor of Virginia, and it turned out
35:56
Speaker 3: it backfired on them and helped Glenn Younkin when yeah,
35:59
Speaker 3: because you start telling and dads, we think, remember Glenn
36:01
Speaker 3: Youngk or excuse me, When Terry McCollough said, we don't
36:03
Speaker 3: think parents should be telling schools what to teach, Yeah,
36:05
Speaker 3: and a bunch of moms.
36:06
Speaker 2: Said, I don't I think we should. You know, by
36:08
Speaker 2: the way, I know my kid's name, you don't know
36:10
Speaker 2: the kids name. I think I should be involved in her.
36:12
Speaker 2: So that issue, So this is when the whistlers came
36:15
Speaker 2: to the Catholic memo that's one of them. Whistlebler came forward.
36:20
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you there was another FBI memo which
36:22
Speaker 2: we've talked about and said Judiciary Committee where they identified
36:26
Speaker 2: signs of extremism and they had all sorts of things,
36:28
Speaker 2: including the gats and flag from the revolutionary wartime, but
36:32
Speaker 2: they also also had the come and take it flag
36:36
Speaker 2: from Texas, which which.
36:39
Speaker 1: I, oh, your boots are terrorist boots because.
36:43
Speaker 2: I wear those boots just about every day in the Senate.
36:46
Speaker 2: That has to come and take it flag on the back,
36:48
Speaker 2: And as you know, I pulled the boot off and
36:50
Speaker 2: slammed it on the on the bench and said, look,
36:52
Speaker 2: let me sell report right now. I'm wearing two of
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Speaker 2: these symbols.
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Speaker 1: You might want oxes off right now. Just touch it.
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Speaker 2: R touching my boots, Stay away from my dad. Book
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Speaker 2: I just got. I haven't had them for six months.
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Speaker 2: I just had them resold, so they're CAZy. They're beautiful
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Speaker 2: in them, so I had to send them the factory.
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Speaker 2: It takes like five months to resoll them. They come
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Speaker 2: back as brand new booth.
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Speaker 1: That's cool.
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Speaker 2: They do a really nice job.
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Speaker 1: That's awesome. I want to ask you one last question,
37:23
Speaker 1: and that deals with the issue I think of. There's
37:28
Speaker 1: fatigue with a lot of Americans. Now they hear you're
37:30
Speaker 1: doing investigations, they listen to part one and if you
37:34
Speaker 1: missed it, go back and listen to it. They listen
37:36
Speaker 1: to part two and they go, I'm mad as hell,
37:40
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated with my government. What does success look like?
37:44
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about from accountability standpoint, from your investigations,
37:48
Speaker 1: because they don't feel like there's accountability. They feel like
37:51
Speaker 1: that the deck is stacked against us now. They feel
37:54
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37:57
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37:59
Speaker 1: sick and hired of feeling like there's two systems of
38:02
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38:05
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38:08
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38:10
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38:14
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38:15
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38:18
Speaker 1: because they're on the other side of the aisle. I
38:20
Speaker 1: just want there to be accountability for people when you
38:22
Speaker 1: do break laws. And when they see the Biden crime
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38:27
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38:30
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38:32
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Speaker 3: Step one is stopping any bad behaviors, getting the facts
39:53
Speaker 3: on the table. We're committed to doing that as part
39:55
Speaker 3: of our constitutional duty when we when we do oversight,
39:57
Speaker 3: success in the end is if we can, if we
39:59
Speaker 3: can do it in a way that protects the first thing.
40:02
Speaker 3: We're going to pass some legislation out of the House,
40:04
Speaker 3: be tough to get through the Senate. Uh, with the
40:06
Speaker 3: with the Democrats in control, we're going to look in
40:08
Speaker 3: the appropriations process. Those are all things we got to do.
40:11
Speaker 3: But in the end, if we can, if we can
40:13
Speaker 3: get respect back in this country for the First Amendment
40:15
Speaker 3: and stop the censorship that's going on. I tell folks
40:19
Speaker 3: I was talking to earlier day to a group. You
40:21
Speaker 3: think about the last couple of years, every right we
40:24
Speaker 3: enjoy under the First Amendment has been assaulted. Right to
40:27
Speaker 3: practice your faith, right to assemble, petition, the government, press, speech,
40:30
Speaker 3: everyone's been assaulted. There were places during COVID where Democrat
40:34
Speaker 3: governors and Democrat mayors wouldn't let people Americans go to
40:37
Speaker 3: church on Sunday. I spoke to Now you could go
40:40
Speaker 3: to an Antifa riote or Black Lives Matter right. Yeah,
40:43
Speaker 3: vast windows in every major urban air round in this
40:45
Speaker 3: country with your right to assemble. I spoke to the
40:48
Speaker 3: New Mexico. I think I've told you the center the
40:50
Speaker 3: New Mexico Republican Party in Amarillo, Texas, because they had
40:55
Speaker 3: to go to Texas to get the freedom to So
40:57
Speaker 3: there's two years ago, the freedom to assemble because they're
41:00
Speaker 3: raised the Democrat governor would let him assemble in their
41:01
Speaker 3: own state, and you just go right to that. But
41:03
Speaker 3: the most important liberty we.
41:04
Speaker 1: Have, they should have named it an Antifa routy and.
41:07
Speaker 2: They could have had it the most important right we have.
41:10
Speaker 2: I've said that every church service should have just called
41:13
Speaker 2: themselves a protest against the devil.
41:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go.
41:17
Speaker 3: But your right to speak is the most important. You
41:19
Speaker 3: can't talk, you can't practice your faith. You can't share
41:21
Speaker 3: your faith. You don't have the freedom of press, freedom
41:22
Speaker 3: to petition, freedom to somebody. You just don't have it.
41:25
Speaker 3: And that's what they're coming after, and that's what we
41:26
Speaker 3: got to defend it if we can protect that will.
41:29
Speaker 2: And tell folks about your investigation into the corrupt prosecution
41:35
Speaker 2: of Alvin Bragg targeting Donald Trump, because when you talk
41:38
Speaker 2: about weaponization, we've talked at length in this podcast how
41:43
Speaker 2: utterly frivolous this case is, but you've engaged very closely
41:46
Speaker 2: on it. So tell us what you're doing on that.
41:48
Speaker 2: Alvin Bragg used federal tax dollars to indict a former
41:53
Speaker 2: president for no crime. And then when we wanted to
41:56
Speaker 2: talk to one of the das who worked for him,
41:58
Speaker 2: who had left over a year ago and wrote a
42:01
Speaker 2: book solely on this subject, he took us to court
42:05
Speaker 2: and the federal judge just the court just gave us
42:07
Speaker 2: a decision a couple of weeks ago. It says you're wrong,
42:09
Speaker 2: mister Bragg. The Judiciary Committee gets to have a deposition
42:13
Speaker 2: with mister palmerants he'll be coming in this Friday for
42:16
Speaker 2: and what does he say in his book? He says, Oh,
42:18
Speaker 2: he talks about.
42:19
Speaker 3: It's really interesting because you talk about the old line,
42:23
Speaker 3: show me the man, I'll find you the crime. They
42:25
Speaker 3: have like twenty different things. They were looking at President Trump.
42:29
Speaker 3: They looked at the forty Wall Street property, the Seven
42:31
Speaker 3: Springs Resort, the Jupiter Golf course, his tax returns, his
42:35
Speaker 3: apartment that they that he lived in on the top
42:38
Speaker 3: of Trump Tower, his his financial statements, his his all
42:42
Speaker 3: his stuff with Mazar's.
42:43
Speaker 2: They looked at his kids you just got on the list,
42:45
Speaker 2: and then the course. They looked at the stormy dangerous
42:49
Speaker 2: issuear like, I mean, I'm forgetting some It's crazy all
42:53
Speaker 2: the things they looked at to try to to try
42:55
Speaker 2: to get this guy. But we're gonna ask him about
42:58
Speaker 2: We're gonna ask about things he said book. You know
43:00
Speaker 2: some of the some of the things in there. You
43:03
Speaker 2: know in a lot of ways. It's amazing you do
43:06
Speaker 2: that kind of deep dive almost anyone. If you have
43:09
Speaker 2: a team of prosecutors coming through everything you've ever filed
43:12
Speaker 2: with the I r S. My guess is most people
43:14
Speaker 2: can do something something, and especially a billionaire real estate developer.
43:20
Speaker 2: If you brought a hundred billionaire real estate developers went
43:23
Speaker 2: through all their taxes. I'd be surprised if you could
43:26
Speaker 2: find one you couldn't indict for something. They looked at him.
43:30
Speaker 3: They were looking at when he bought the post office
43:32
Speaker 3: here and turned it into the hotel here in d C.
43:36
Speaker 3: I mean, just on it was it was ridiculous. So yeah,
43:40
Speaker 3: that that is happening. But again, I think it just
43:43
Speaker 3: shows you know, the DA in Manhattan. I think the
43:46
Speaker 3: DA and Georgie's gonna have another crazy case.
43:48
Speaker 2: And by the way, Alvin Bragg is a Soro DA.
43:50
Speaker 2: George Soros went over a million bucks to get him elected.
43:53
Speaker 2: This is this goes back to weaponization. You want to
43:56
Speaker 2: talk about the power of putting your guy in can
44:00
Speaker 2: of law enforcement, whether they're targeting Donald Trump or targeting
44:05
Speaker 2: you as a mom or dad, it's the same principle,
44:07
Speaker 2: which is we will use the government to crush our enemies.
44:10
Speaker 1: I hope that everybody will take this episode, take the
44:13
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44:17
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending some fun time with this. I
44:19
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of Americans that are going to
44:21
Speaker 1: really appreciate the fact that we just took a deep breath,
44:25
Speaker 1: went back and spent this time explaining it because it's
44:27
Speaker 1: so hard to get a concept of where we are
44:31
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44:33
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44:35
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