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Media OK with Shooting ONE Rocket at a Time toward Israel · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Surrender. Joe Biden stabs Israel in the back. Anthony Blincoln
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  Speaker 1: scolds Israel in its quote lack of credit they say
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  Speaker 1: to defeat Hamas early on, This is not a joke.
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  Speaker 1: The US Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln apparently told Israel
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  Speaker 1: that it lacks credit to conduct the kind of military
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  Speaker 1: campaign necessary to defeat Hamas, saying that the Biden administration
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  Speaker 1: would not tolerate, well, not tolerate this. United States of
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  Speaker 1: America would not tolerate large scale bombing over months in
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  Speaker 1: southern Gaza. B Lincoln's remarks were leaked to the Israeli press.
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  Speaker 1: Times of Israel quoted a transcript of his meeting with
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  Speaker 1: the Israeli War cabinet. B Lincoln said this, apparently, you
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  Speaker 1: can't operate in southern Gaza the way you did in
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  Speaker 1: the north.
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  Speaker 2: There are two million Palestinians there.
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  Speaker 1: You need to evacuate fewer people from their homes, be
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  Speaker 1: more accurate in the attack, not hit un facilities, and
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  Speaker 1: ensure that there are enough protected areas for civilians, and
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  Speaker 1: if not, then not to attack where there is a
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  Speaker 1: civilian population. What is your system of operation? Blincoln then
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  Speaker 1: asked the follow up from the IDF chief was, we
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  Speaker 1: follow a number of principles, proportionality, distinction, and the laws
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  Speaker 1: of war. There were instances where we attacked on the
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  Speaker 1: basis of those principles, and instances where we decided not
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  Speaker 1: to attack because we waited for a better opportunity. Then
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  Speaker 1: the Defense Minister said, the entire Israeli society is united
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  Speaker 1: behind the goal of dismantling Hamas, even if it takes months.
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  Speaker 1: Blincoln then said, I don't think you have to have
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  Speaker 1: the credit for that.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Blincoln, normally a weak figure in public, issued as
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  Speaker 1: tough ultimatums in private bring the contradictions in US policy
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  Speaker 1: to a head.
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  Speaker 2: Earlier this week, White House.
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  Speaker 1: Ncial Security spokesman John Kirby said this quote, we don't
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  Speaker 1: support these Southern operations unless or until the Israeli can
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  Speaker 1: show that they've accounted for all the internally displaced people
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  Speaker 1: of Gaza. He added that Israel had the right and
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  Speaker 1: responsibility to eliminate Hamas, though he did not explain how
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  Speaker 1: these two priorities could be reconciled.
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  Speaker 2: Quote.
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  Speaker 1: It was not clear what Blincoln meant by credit, whether
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  Speaker 1: financial credit from the US or a political credibility on
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  Speaker 1: the world stage. Israel has been saying for weeks that
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  Speaker 1: it expected the fight to destroy Hamas to take months
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  Speaker 1: and perhaps a year. A shorter fight would require more
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  Speaker 1: drastic military measures at odds with a careful approach, Israel
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  Speaker 1: has taken in an effort to avoid civilian casualties where possible.
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  Speaker 1: The administration faces pressure from staff and left wing extremists,
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  Speaker 1: socialists and communist voters in the Democratic Party to shift
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  Speaker 1: away from Israel. So now we know what they're saying
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, and it does not match up with
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  Speaker 1: what they are saying to the American people. Shocker House
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  Speaker 1: basically is now lying to you when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the Israeli policy, and Anthony Blincoln is the chief in
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  Speaker 1: charge of that lie. Now you look at all of
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  Speaker 1: this and you think about what happens here, it is disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: There's also a problem here with the package to Israel,
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  Speaker 1: all right, and this package of what is what Israel
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  Speaker 1: is going to get from the United States of America.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough this morning saying, now, who is bringing in
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  Speaker 1: right wing religious zelots who know nothing about defending Israel
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  Speaker 1: now attacking him and his cabinet, saying that Israel is
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  Speaker 1: somehow a radicalized nation. These are the people that just
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  Speaker 1: got attacked by an actual group of radicalized people in
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  Speaker 1: Hamas who are yelling a la akbar CNN also said
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  Speaker 1: the IDF has intercepted one rocket coming from the Gaza Strip.
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  Speaker 1: That happening this morning. Here's the latest on that.
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  Speaker 2: What happens next?
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  Speaker 3: The IDF saying that Israel has intercepted one rocket that
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  Speaker 3: was launched from the Gaza Strip. Jerimie now seen in chief,
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  Speaker 3: National security correspondent Alex Marquad and foreign policy analyst Barak Revide. Alex,
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  Speaker 3: first of all, as we're talking about this and wondering
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  Speaker 3: when the truth will end and if it will, and
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  Speaker 3: what might happen fifty nine minutes from now or so,
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  Speaker 3: what are we learning right now?
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  Speaker 4: Well, a troubling development for this extremely fragile pause that
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  Speaker 4: has been in place for the past seven days. We've
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  Speaker 4: been waiting all day to hear whether Hamas would present
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  Speaker 4: Israel with another list of hostages. They planned to at
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  Speaker 4: least tomorrow. Instead, what we are seeing, what we are hearing,
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  Speaker 4: and what we are learning, is that Israel has now
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  Speaker 4: intercepted one rocket that was fired recently, just moments ago
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  Speaker 4: from the Gaza Strip. It was intercepted by Israel's aerial defense.
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  Speaker 4: We've also heard sirens or sirens have been heard in Steroitz,
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  Speaker 4: that is in southern Israel, right near the Gaza Strip.
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  Speaker 4: So we had been waiting to see whether there was
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  Speaker 4: news from any of the parties involved about this hostage
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  Speaker 4: you'd deal for tomorrow. I should note not to downplay it,
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  Speaker 4: but this is one rocket. We have in the past
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  Speaker 4: seen barrages of rockets, so it's really hard to say.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I love this here, right, he says, Well,
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  Speaker 1: not to downplay it, but it's just one rocket. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's just one rocket that could kill, if
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  Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of people in an apartment building,
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  Speaker 1: or hit a school, or kill innocent people walking street.
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  Speaker 1: It's just one rocket. You understand what CNN just advocated for.
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  Speaker 1: They just advocated for not taking out a Hamas. As
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  Speaker 1: long as Hamas doesn't shoot a barrage of rockets. They
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  Speaker 1: can just shoot like one at a time all day long.
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  Speaker 1: And you're just supposed to live in that world. I
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  Speaker 1: want you to imagine being in your house. It's the
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  Speaker 1: best way I know to describe it. Okay, and one
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  Speaker 1: rocket just one, just one rocket, or you know, let's
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  Speaker 1: change that. Let's just say that every day someone drives
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  Speaker 1: by your house and just shoots one bullet at your house,
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  Speaker 1: just one. Well it's only one bullet, right, You're sitting
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  Speaker 1: there having your breakfast, and then someone takes a pop
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  Speaker 1: shot at your house, just one bullet. Would you put
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  Speaker 1: up with that crap? Would you sit there and honestly
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  Speaker 1: put up with that? I think most people would say no,
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  Speaker 1: they would not put up with that. That is exactly
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  Speaker 1: now with the White House and what CNN are saying
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  Speaker 1: you should do. As long as it's a lot of rockets, right,
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  Speaker 1: let's put in perspective here, it's just one person shooting
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  Speaker 1: at you, one rocket shooting at you at a time,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not that big of a deal. Again, listen
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  Speaker 1: to this logic of CNN.
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  Speaker 4: Had been waiting to see whether there was news from
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  Speaker 4: any of the parties involved about this hostage you deal
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  Speaker 4: for tomorrow. I should note not the downplay it, but
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  Speaker 4: this is one rocket. We have in the past seen
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  Speaker 4: barrages of rockets, so it's really hard to say what
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  Speaker 4: is going on here. But we have been pressing our sources.
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  Speaker 4: I know Barack Ravit is doing the same thing, trying
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  Speaker 4: to reach out to the Kataris, the Egyptians who've been
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  Speaker 4: mediating with Hamas, the US, who of course have been
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  Speaker 4: central to this deal, and then Israel as well, to
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  Speaker 4: find out whether they expect this pause to go.
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  Speaker 2: Into an eighth day.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Last night it looked like things were on the rocks
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  Speaker 4: as well. There were several lists Winnderstand that were put
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  Speaker 4: forward to the Israelis that were rejected because they did
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  Speaker 4: not have enough women and children alive on them. At
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  Speaker 4: the end, at the very last minute, excuse me, right
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  Speaker 4: before the clock struck twelve Eastern time, which it's about
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  Speaker 4: two and fifty six minutes from now and seven o'clock
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  Speaker 4: in the morning in Israel, there was a list that
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  Speaker 4: was accepted. Eight hostages were released today. There had been
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  Speaker 4: two released the day prior, for a total of ten.
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  Speaker 4: So there is still a chance that Hamas comes through
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  Speaker 4: in the next fifty five minutes with a list that
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  Speaker 4: is acceptable to Israel, but there is also a decent
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  Speaker 4: chance that they don't, at which point Israel has warned
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  Speaker 4: that the fighting would start immediately between Israel and Hamas.
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  Speaker 4: In the Gaza strip, Laura.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Brock, you've been working your sources as well
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  Speaker 3: and seeing this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is what you're dealing with now. They
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  Speaker 2: have just moved the goalpost.
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  Speaker 1: That is somehow acceptable behavior to shoot one rocket at
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  Speaker 1: a time, That that is an acceptable number of rockets
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  Speaker 1: that the Israeli people should just live with. Hey, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to your new neighborhood. Right, imagine buying a house. Now, Look,
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  Speaker 1: every every other day, every couple of days, there's a
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  Speaker 1: rocket that's gonna be shot your neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just one rocket. It's just one. It's just
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  Speaker 2: one rocket.
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  Speaker 1: And then and then a few days later, another rocket,
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  Speaker 1: just one will come at your neighborhood. But it's totally fine.
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  Speaker 1: So enjoy your neighborhood, right, enjoy it, have a great time.
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  Speaker 1: Would you put up with that? Would you buy that,
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  Speaker 1: have them? Would you live in that in that scenario?
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. There's a reason why I don't trust them.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the reason why why would you ever
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  Speaker 1: trust terrasts and those that support terrats, those that advocate
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  Speaker 1: for terrists, those that defend terras. There's no reason I'd
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  Speaker 1: have spokesman said this this morning on CNN as well
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  Speaker 1: before we conduct any sort of activities in US has
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  Speaker 1: already fired rockets from southern Guyza this morning, confirming what
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  Speaker 1: was just said.
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  Speaker 6: Cannot be repeated in the South. Joining US now, IDs
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  Speaker 6: spokesman the Senate.
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  Speaker 7: Colonel Peter Lerner.
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  Speaker 6: Then, Colonel, we appreciate your time this morning. With what
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  Speaker 6: we're seeing right now, should it be characterized that operations
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  Speaker 6: in the South are officially underway?
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  Speaker 7: Good morning, Phil.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Indeed, since Hamas decided to cancel the ceasefire by not
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  Speaker 7: releasing women and children, we have been instructed to engage
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  Speaker 7: before we conducted any sort of activities. Hamas had already
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  Speaker 7: fired rockets from southern Gaza before six am this morning
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  Speaker 7: here in Israel. They had been firing and they have
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  Speaker 7: been firing throughout the day at Israel. So yes, we
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  Speaker 7: are engaging. We are seeking out Hamas wherever they are.
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  Speaker 7: We are evacuating people from specific areas that we intend
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  Speaker 7: on operating on. This is the nature of warfare.
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  Speaker 6: On your last point, there have been leaflets that have
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  Speaker 6: been dropped with a QR code. That code leads to
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  Speaker 6: you also put out a statement in multiple languages. It
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  Speaker 6: has a civilian evacuation map.
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  Speaker 7: I think we can bring it up.
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  Speaker 6: If we have it, but it basically is numbered zones.
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  Speaker 6: It's kind of parceled out throughout that area.
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  Speaker 2: Two questions.
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  Speaker 6: One, Internet connectivity has been a problem at various points
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  Speaker 6: throughout Gaza. Does that concern you for people actually knowing
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  Speaker 6: their zones? And second, how are people supposed to understand
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  Speaker 6: what this means?
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  Speaker 7: But of course, if you zoom in on that map,
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  Speaker 7: if you live in a specific location, you'll know where
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  Speaker 7: you live and you'll know if you're being told to
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  Speaker 7: evacuate from one point to another that you should take
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  Speaker 7: that advice. Now, this is precisely the idea of getting
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  Speaker 7: people out of harm's way. So if you know that
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  Speaker 7: there is going to be an IDF operation in your area,
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  Speaker 7: you should try and evacuate if you're not a Hamas terrorist.
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  Speaker 7: This is precisely the efforts that we are going to
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  Speaker 7: in order to try and alleviate the difficulties the challenges
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  Speaker 7: that the civilians of Gaza are facing following the war,
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  Speaker 7: a war that Israel didn't ask for, a war that
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  Speaker 7: Hamas opened and launched on the seventh of October, brutally massacrering, murdering, butchering, beheading,
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  Speaker 7: and raping and abducting so many Israelis on that rutal,
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  Speaker 7: horrific day. So we are now at war with Hamas.
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  Speaker 7: We have resumed our activities this morning, and we are
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  Speaker 7: continuing to operate within the guidelines of the laws of
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  Speaker 7: armed conflict with distinguishing between civilians, non combatants and Hamas.
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  Speaker 6: This has been a significant element of discussions between US
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  Speaker 6: officials and the counterparts in your government.
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  Speaker 2: There's my question, based on what you're out let me
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  Speaker 2: just go back to this.
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  Speaker 1: Hamas is a terrorist organization, get carried out a nine
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  Speaker 1: to eleven style attack, and now this morning we find
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  Speaker 1: out that the White House is telling Israel you better
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  Speaker 1: back down to that terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 2: Can we just let that set in real quick?
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  Speaker 1: I mean seriously, can we just I mean just just
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  Speaker 1: think about that real quick. Joe Scarborough said this about
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  Speaker 1: again slandering Israel this morning. Net Ya, who's bringing the
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  Speaker 1: right wing religious zelots into his cabinet? So therefore I
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  Speaker 1: guess they had another reason to abandon him, right absolutely.
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  Speaker 8: So what this says to me is the United States
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  Speaker 8: has a special responsibility the blink, and our Secretary of
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  Speaker 8: State is trying to exercise now to express tough, love,
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  Speaker 8: to be firm, not to let mistakes deepen. You know,
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  Speaker 8: we made mistakes before nine to eleven. We didn't see
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  Speaker 8: it coming, just as Israel made mistakes before October seven.
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  Speaker 8: They didn't see it coming. And we made mistakes after
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  Speaker 8: we overreacted. We did the wrong things. You know, we
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  Speaker 8: created more enemies than we were killing. That seems to
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  Speaker 8: be happening now. So I think part of what Blincoln
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  Speaker 8: wants to say is we see the mistakes you made before,
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  Speaker 8: but it's the mistakes you're making now that we want
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  Speaker 8: to prevent.
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  Speaker 2: Don't overreact, don't do what we did.
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  Speaker 8: That was Biden's mess is when he went there. I'm
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  Speaker 8: sure that Blinkin is saying it again, you know, but
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  Speaker 8: so you know when you say they, I just want
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  Speaker 8: to say one final thing. In Israel, I met some
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  Speaker 8: outstanding military commanders. You know, they look like Inspector Cluz
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  Speaker 8: in this report. But don't forget as in the US military,
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  Speaker 8: these are people, very high quality, who are going to
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  Speaker 8: lead Israel out of this mess.
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  Speaker 9: And David, for a year, though David put context to this,
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  Speaker 9: for a year I was hearing from people in Israel,
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  Speaker 9: from fearce defenders and Friends of Israel Net and Yahoo
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  Speaker 9: is screwing up the cabinet. He's screwing up the military,
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  Speaker 9: he's screwing up the Intel services. He's bringing in right
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  Speaker 9: wing religious zealous who know nothing about defending Israel.
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  Speaker 4: It's not talking about the military leaders.
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  Speaker 8: You were well, no, no, David, those guys are still those,
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  Speaker 8: those men and women are still there, right, They were
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  Speaker 8: just pushed to the side.
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  Speaker 2: They were Yaho. Think of the woman who.
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  Speaker 8: Kept saying, tells us this is real, this is real.
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  Speaker 2: They're coming.
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  Speaker 8: That woman is still there doing her job.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, even since October seventh, these Radis have failed
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  Speaker 10: to answer the questions what's happening in the West Bank?
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  Speaker 10: Why have we got ourselves into a situation now where
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  Speaker 10: har Mass's approval ratings are rising in the West Bank
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  Speaker 10: because they are the only group that's managed to get
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  Speaker 10: our prisoners released, because settlers are not being controlled in
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  Speaker 10: the West Bank, and the number of attacks against Palestinians
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  Speaker 10: is being picked up. There are things that the Israeli
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  Speaker 10: government could be doing even now, and it's the American
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  Speaker 10: government not having success in raining them in in the
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  Speaker 10: West Bank. It doesn't seem so.
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  Speaker 1: See, did you hear that last comment by hers where
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  Speaker 1: she just said, Harmas is the only one that's been
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  Speaker 1: successful at getting the hostages back. They're the people that
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  Speaker 1: took the hostages, you idiot. They're now giving credit to
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  Speaker 1: the actual hostage takers, saying that they're prove rating in
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  Speaker 1: guys is going out because these people that took the
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  Speaker 1: hostages are now giving some of the hostages back, and
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  Speaker 1: they're saying that they're the good guys. Now the same
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  Speaker 1: people that took them are now giving some of them back,
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  Speaker 1: so they're the good guys.
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  Speaker 2: Help us.
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  Speaker 1: is coming from the Hill, so I'm glad they're being
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  Speaker 1: intellectually honest about this and saying that these journalists are
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  Speaker 1: favoring the Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: At times, the reactionary.
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  Speaker 1: Behaviors of moderators have allowed democratic candidates to receive more
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  Speaker 1: speaking time as they did in most debates prior to
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, or result in the removal of moderators who
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  Speaker 1: actively coordinated hostile questions for the Republican candidate. Currently, the
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  Speaker 1: RNC Publican National Committee requires that its ultimate nominee for
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four refuse to cooperate with or at ten
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  Speaker 1: and the CPD events in twenty twenty four. It is
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  Speaker 1: important to make plans for solutions and even alternatives to
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  Speaker 1: the proposals coming from these debate moderators. One of the
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  Speaker 1: best solutions the Hill Rights for future debates would be
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  Speaker 1: to remove journalists moderators to create a more authentic debate
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  Speaker 1: event that features the candidates rather than a press conference
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  Speaker 1: constrained by the narratives set by the American journalist community.
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  Speaker 1: Non journalist moderators could simply identify topics with single words
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  Speaker 1: like abortion, inflation, immigration, gaza, government spending, and allow the
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  Speaker 1: extra time to be given to the candidates to explain
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  Speaker 1: their views.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, I love this idea.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that in nineteen sixty Richard Nixon and John F.
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy had eight minute opening remarks to make their case
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  Speaker 1: to the public. Responds Times today or two minutes or less.
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  Speaker 1: While journalists vigorously criticize such limited presentations as quote lacking contexts,
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  Speaker 1: but they set them up to lack that context. It
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  Speaker 1: is increasingly likely that journalists moderators will take more time
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  Speaker 1: crafting the questions for a candate than the candate will have.
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  Speaker 1: While answering cross examination conducted by debaters rather than moderators
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  Speaker 1: as a common staple of many American debate formats used
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  Speaker 1: by high school and college students. Utilizing this debate practice
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  Speaker 1: and president debates would allow candidates to ask in a
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  Speaker 1: limited time period, such as three minutes, questions of their opponent.
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  Speaker 1: The venues for these debates could be vastly improved from
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  Speaker 1: the current slate of college campuses. Is another thing that
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  Speaker 1: was written in The Hill this morning. The first twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four debate, which is typically the most watched debate,
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  Speaker 1: is to take place at Texas State University. It would
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  Speaker 1: be the first such debate in Texas in the history
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  Speaker 1: of the series. Texas State is where Democratic President Lyndon B.
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  Speaker 1: Johnson graduated, and as recent news reports indicated, Democrats were
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  Speaker 1: successful in twenty twenty two and flipping key local voting
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  Speaker 1: precincts from red to blue. The activism of San Marcus
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  Speaker 1: and the university reverse a trend common to most of
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  Speaker 1: South Texas in twenty twenty, where Hispanic voters are voting
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  Speaker 1: in increasing numbers for Republicans. Instead of the highly partisan campuses,
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  Speaker 1: debates could be conducted at more than a dozen presidential
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  Speaker 1: sites maintained throughout the US. Those debates could lend Democrat
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  Speaker 1: and Republican presidential locations such as LBJ and Reagan to
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  Speaker 1: create a stronger bipartisan in pressing impression. There are many
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  Speaker 1: more things that could be done to restore the credibility
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  Speaker 1: improve the quality of president or debates. The article continues,
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  Speaker 1: These are important steps that need to be considered in
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  Speaker 1: probably acted upon if this important civic tradition is to
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  Speaker 1: continue in twenty twenty four. The Commission on President's Debates
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  Speaker 1: needs to help. Needs help to overcome its past miscues
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  Speaker 1: and carrying out the presidential debates. Ben Vath, PhD is
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  Speaker 1: a Professor of Rhetorican director of Debate and Speech at
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  Speaker 1: SMU in Dallas. He's the editor of the American Forensic
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  Speaker 1: Association's flagship journal for debate and speech. Coaches Argumentation and advocacy.
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  Speaker 1: The author is also the co editor of the Lexingon
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  Speaker 1: book series focusing upon political communication. He is the author
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  Speaker 1: of several academic books and book chapters about debate. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more with the synopsis on this opinion piece,
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  Speaker 1: and I agree that I think it's time for Republicans
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  Speaker 1: to look.
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  Speaker 2: And demand some changes here.
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  Speaker 1: The question is, and if you've got fifty to one
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  Speaker 1: hundred million people that watched the first debate, that's a lot. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: fifty to one hundred is a lot if that's what
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  Speaker 1: you are doing now. If you've fifty to one hundred
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  Speaker 1: million people watch this first debate, Republicans, I think clearly
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  Speaker 1: deserve a better deal, a more fair deal. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: asking for them to have an advantage. I am asking
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  Speaker 1: them for to get to get a better deal. Representative Santos,
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  Speaker 1: Representative Santos. This morning, there's an expulsion vote. He just
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  Speaker 1: said this on Fox News Channel about his future. Is
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  Speaker 1: he going to be kicked out of the House of Representatives.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say on Fox and Friends
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  Speaker 1: a moment ago.
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  Speaker 5: All right, and just so final thought, is you expect
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  Speaker 5: to be expelled today?
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  Speaker 11: Look like I said, I don't expect, but I do
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  Speaker 11: believe they have the votes. Congressman Lolota said he had
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  Speaker 11: one fifty. He walked it back to one twenty. Look,
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  Speaker 11: one fifty, one twenty. The difference is they need about
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  Speaker 11: seventy seven Republicans. If that's the numbers they're dwelling with,
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  Speaker 11: I think they have it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're Mike Congressman.
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  Speaker 5: There's going to be a special election if you're expelled today,
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  Speaker 5: and then we'll see then we got another election in November.
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  Speaker 11: I hope you have a shot out of conservative Brian,
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  Speaker 11: because you won't know what a conservative looks like on
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  Speaker 11: Long Island once I'm gone.
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  Speaker 5: Right, although the Long Island is pretty red. Congressman, thanks
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  Speaker 5: so much, and Peter King did have that seat for
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  Speaker 5: a long time. Congressman Santo's for now, best of luck,
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 1: That'll probably be his last interview on Fox News Channel
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Killmate also asking Representative Santos this.
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  Speaker 5: Georgia as they roll through all the things you said
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  Speaker 5: and everything about working at City Group, Goldman Sachs being Jewish?
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  Speaker 2: Have you been doing this your whole life.
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  Speaker 5: Just embellishing and making things up. Is this the first
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  Speaker 5: time you've been forced to pay for.
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  Speaker 2: This, Brian.
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  Speaker 11: Look, I can go and rehash everything that I've said,
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  Speaker 11: but it's been so wildly documented on all of the
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  Speaker 11: questions you just asked, And the short answer is what
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  Speaker 11: I have not said certain things, but I've done things differently. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 11: I'm an adult and I'm sure enough to acknowledge that.
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  Speaker 11: But to think that I've built my entire life based
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  Speaker 11: on what the media is trying to package over the
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  Speaker 11: last couple of months is not fair, It is not true,
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  Speaker 11: and it is dishonest.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a life.
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  Speaker 11: I have people around me who've been in my life,
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  Speaker 11: my entire life, who are appalled that what the media
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  Speaker 11: has been doing. So I think that should tell you
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  Speaker 11: enough of who I am and my character. You don't
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  Speaker 11: think you brought this on yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 11: Look, in some way, I think we all bring stuff
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  Speaker 11: on ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 11: I just acknowledge I bear responsibility. But what has been
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  Speaker 11: made out of mistakes that I've made in the past,
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  Speaker 11: that I've admitted to on national television on this network
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  Speaker 11: with Tulci Gaberd last December. I dare most members of
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  Speaker 11: Congress have the same courage to come on here and
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: tell the entire American public on national television exactly what
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  Speaker 11: I did, and own up to their shortcomings and be
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  Speaker 11: humble and have the humility to do so.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I think this guy's a psycho path
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  Speaker 1: I think he's a narcissist. On a whole nother level,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's a path, a lot co liar. I
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  Speaker 1: believe that he should be kicked out of Congress, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to keep a quote Republican in Congress
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  Speaker 1: that does what Santos has done, and lied the way
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  Speaker 1: he has and acted the way that he has.
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  Speaker 2: I think they should expel him.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be clear about that, because if we
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  Speaker 1: don't police our own in this way, then we're no
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  Speaker 1: different than the socialists and communists. On the Democratic side.
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  Speaker 1: There are some that disagree with me saying, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: we need to vote maybe on some issues, So just
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  Speaker 1: leave him in there. There's going to be a special election,
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully the people that voted in Santos will also say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we are going to vote for another candidate that actually
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  Speaker 1: has the values without the amount of lying in scumbaggery
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  Speaker 1: that Santos has put into this seat. I would hope
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  Speaker 1: they the citizens there look forward to getting rid of
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  Speaker 1: someone that has lied to them so much about who
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  Speaker 1: they are, lied about their career, lied on virtually every
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  Speaker 1: aspect of their.
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  Speaker 2: Resume.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, this dude just lied on everything,
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  Speaker 1: like on everything.
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  Speaker 2: I want to make that clear.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing that this guy basically said about his life
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  Speaker 1: and career to get elected that was truthful. This also
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  Speaker 1: tells you where we are now a journalism, the lack
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  Speaker 1: of journalistic integrity that we have. How are we allowing
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  Speaker 1: people to get elected like Santos. I don't care if
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you're a Republican or Democrat that has the backstory here
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: that he has. It could have easily been fact check.
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  Speaker 1: But the media doesn't do their job anymore. The media
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: used to have a job, as I would describe it,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and their real job was to do the best they
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: can to look at what the claims are of a candidate,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and then when those claims are made, you fact check
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: them to see, hey, did he actually work at Goldman Sachs,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Did he actually do this?
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  Speaker 2: Did he actually graduate from where he says he graduated from?
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  Speaker 7: Me?
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  Speaker 1: This is not hard to fact check. These are very
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: easy things to fact check. I would also say this
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  Speaker 1: the Republican Party should also do a better job, not
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: just the media.
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  Speaker 2: Right, How did this guy make it through a Republican primary?
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: How did this guy even get to the point where
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: people were voting for him in a general election? If
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party was doing their job, they would have
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: fact checked to make sure that we didn't have this
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: embarrassing moment. And we should be embarrassed by this. This
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: guy's a joke, a pathological liar. Finally, please share this
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