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Cocoa Brown, Camille Tucker, Shanti Das, Tika Sumpter & Thai Randolph · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: as an actress, comedian and entrepreneur. Her The Cocer Brown Collection,
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Speaker 1: is a hobby turn passion turn calls during this pandemic
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Speaker 1: with no acting gigs, comedy, stand up club dates, or
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Speaker 1: TV fam role to play? Right now? How is she
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Speaker 1: making money? Because these times are not working for me.
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Speaker 1: She's most notably known for her lead role in Tyler Paris,
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Speaker 1: The Single Mom's Club and for Better or Worse, please
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Speaker 1: work on the money making conversation to hilarious comedian actress
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Speaker 1: Cocer Brown, Hey you get all that out, I'd set
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Speaker 1: you up. No, come on now, you know, because you
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Speaker 1: got a big reservation, I had to like go through
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Speaker 1: and pick what I thought would be noteworthy. Because you
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Speaker 1: got a body of work that's fantastic. But let's go
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Speaker 1: to the beginning, because you know you hit straight heart
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Speaker 1: with me. But the stand up comedy and uh, it's
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Speaker 1: such a male dominated field. So how did you get started?
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Speaker 1: How did you start carving out your brand? Coca? You
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Speaker 1: know it's funny. Um, I never, Emili years thought I
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Speaker 1: would be a comedian. I mean, you know, I wanted
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Speaker 1: growing up, I wanted to be Claire Huxtable and I
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Speaker 1: don't I know, she wasn't a real character, but in
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Speaker 1: my mind she was. She was she was achievable. So
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Speaker 1: when I graduated college, Um, I had done some internships
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Speaker 1: and gotten the job, and a friend of mine who
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Speaker 1: thought I was I thought I was funny all through
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Speaker 1: college introduced me to a guy who owned a comedy
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Speaker 1: club in d C. At a barbecue and I guess
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Speaker 1: he had told him about me, and he was like, man,
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Speaker 1: she's really funny. So this thing I know, He's invited
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Speaker 1: me down the open NC. I've never been afraid of
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Speaker 1: the stage. I've been acting and doing theater since I
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Speaker 1: was ten. But um, I went down to his club.
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Speaker 1: I didn't open mic night. It was a very interesting
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Speaker 1: night because I thought you had to try to be
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Speaker 1: a comic, and I learned quite quickly that trying to
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Speaker 1: be a comic and being comic are two different things. Um.
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Speaker 1: But when I realized they weren't laughing at me trying
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Speaker 1: to be a comic, and I just started rambling about
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Speaker 1: the fact that I really worked at Ringling Brothers and
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Speaker 1: I had a real job, and the crowd begin to laugh.
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Speaker 1: That's when I realized that people liked what's real, like
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Speaker 1: what's real and relatable with what's funny. So um, it
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Speaker 1: kind of beat me. I thought it was fun I
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Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be like a hobby, but it
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Speaker 1: turned out to be um more so of a career
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Speaker 1: because I ended up getting a mentor, Darcel the fact
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Speaker 1: Dr Bleasman, who recently passed away, God rest his soul.
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Speaker 1: But he mentored a lot of DC comics, you know,
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Speaker 1: Martin Lawrence, Tommy Davis and Bave Chappelle, Donielle Roblins. I
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Speaker 1: go down the line and um, he took me under
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Speaker 1: his wing, and he taught me the game, he taught
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Speaker 1: me the business. And um, after a while, I realized
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Speaker 1: that it took it took my boss at Ringling Brothers
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Speaker 1: to see something in me that I hadn't seen. She
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Speaker 1: actually gave me the option of either quitting or her
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Speaker 1: firing me because she had come to one of my
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Speaker 1: shows and she said, you're wasting your time to the cubicle.
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Speaker 1: You have a true talent and Wringling Brothers. I was
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Speaker 1: working for Greenland Brothers corporate officers. Yes, in Virginia in
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Speaker 1: the average clowns and big elephants and I'm just talking
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Speaker 1: off but the circus. I knew you weren't in the circus.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but that's the brand that you were representing. Elephants,
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Speaker 1: clowns and tippy, and here you are just energetic, funny.
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Speaker 1: Your friend been laughing at you all through college. He's
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Speaker 1: been laughing and so much. He introduced you to the
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Speaker 1: owner of a club at a barbecue, which is funny
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Speaker 1: in itself. Okay, exactly exactly. Hey, come on here, he
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Speaker 1: was like, she needs to be a comment stott. Come
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Speaker 1: on girl, put down that. Come on here, beach comber.
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Speaker 1: Come on here, girl, I guess funny here she's funny, funny, funny, funny, funny.
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Speaker 1: Find it funny now. So and I know that's how
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Speaker 1: I started to stand up. You know. So you go
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Speaker 1: on stage. It's not about being nervous. It's about a
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Speaker 1: new experience and you don't know what to do. You know.
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Speaker 1: I just went on stage and I worked up some
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Speaker 1: some things I thought were funny, and they did laugh
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Speaker 1: at it. So that didn't help out the next step,
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Speaker 1: which is to get back on stage again. And so
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Speaker 1: it really it really allows for you to grow as
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Speaker 1: a person. But like you said, but that wasn't your
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Speaker 1: first love. Being on stage as an actress was your
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Speaker 1: first love? Correct? Yeah? Yeah, when I was ten years old. Um,
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Speaker 1: my fifth grade teacher, Miss Marshall, who so much love
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Speaker 1: for it because she didn't even realize what she was
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Speaker 1: doing it. She put me the lead in a play
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Speaker 1: in the fifth grade. I had so many lines and
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Speaker 1: that was my first time, and everybody was like, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, like you should be an actress. Like you
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Speaker 1: were still good, you know, but in the fifth grade.
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Speaker 1: In the fifth grade, in the fifth yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: we just slaying. In the fifth grade. In the fifth grade. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: my grandmother made my costume and everything. Um. But you know,
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Speaker 1: coming from such a traditional Southern family, that was not
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Speaker 1: an option. I was supposed to go to school, get
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Speaker 1: good grades, getting the good college me guy, get married,
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Speaker 1: have some babies, and come home to my parents every
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Speaker 1: Sunday for dinner. I wouldn't wanted to be in no Hollywood.
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Speaker 1: But you did. You did and go to college. You
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Speaker 1: got your degree? Did Now? Did you get? Got two degrees?
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Speaker 1: So you highly educated? Your high and what a degrees?
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Speaker 1: What are degrees of? What college? I have a bachelor's
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Speaker 1: and mass Communications with a focus and advertising, and I
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Speaker 1: have a master's in secondary education. And we're college University
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Speaker 1: of Scenic DC, the Gene Commonwealth University with undergrad and
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Speaker 1: University of Phoenix with graduates now we got all that
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Speaker 1: that good education behind you, got all how you started?
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Speaker 1: Now did you go on the road being a comic
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Speaker 1: first or did you move to be actress first? What
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Speaker 1: did you do? I would have the road to be
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Speaker 1: a comic for um, that was just an adventure when
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Speaker 1: I look back at some of the crazy stuff I did,
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Speaker 1: like work at eight hour day and Ringland brothers, get
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Speaker 1: in my car at six pm at night, drive to
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Speaker 1: New York to do a couple of open mics and
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Speaker 1: drive back to Maryland or back to Maryland where I lived,
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Speaker 1: and being worked the next morning by eight I couldn't
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Speaker 1: imagine doing that now I would die. But back then
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Speaker 1: I was doing it three or four times a week
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Speaker 1: like it was nothing right, Well, you had to. I
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Speaker 1: know that I worked at IBM, and I was be
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Speaker 1: on stage three or four o'clock in the morning. And
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Speaker 1: sometimes because you know, when you're doing an open micael comic,
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Speaker 1: you know it's a line of it could be comments
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Speaker 1: on that list and so exciting to me, you know,
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Speaker 1: you know, and so and last spreads can make that
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Speaker 1: set longer as well, you know, so so really so,
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Speaker 1: when you talk about effort and you talk about dreams,
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Speaker 1: That's why I'd like to talk about this on the
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Speaker 1: shows about you know, there are no guarantees that there's
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Speaker 1: a plan, but what is guaranteed If you want to
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Speaker 1: be successful, you got to put forth the effort. You
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Speaker 1: have to make sacrifice. And that's what you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: That drive up, you know, and we know that drive
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Speaker 1: back was scary, you know, worrying about falling to sleep,
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Speaker 1: worrying about what I'm making on town of fraying, put
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Speaker 1: your head out the window to stay awake, you know,
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Speaker 1: driving with the air condition though, all kind of slapping yourself,
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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff you were doing on a
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Speaker 1: regular basis. They're a way, I know because I did
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Speaker 1: those techniques because I was crazy, just trying to get
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Speaker 1: to that dream. Didn't know what your dream was, but
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Speaker 1: just trying to get to that dream. And so exactly so.
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Speaker 1: So now you're going to New York. You just starting
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Speaker 1: to get your wheels on the your Now when is
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Speaker 1: your first big break? Come Coacer Brown. Um, Honestly, I
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Speaker 1: think the first big break that got me noticed was
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Speaker 1: showtime to the Apollo when they were doing the comedy
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Speaker 1: t KO and I went five rounds before I got eliminated. Um,
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Speaker 1: that got me noticed by a lot of people in
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Speaker 1: terms of management, promoters, clubs, things like that. Um, so
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Speaker 1: I started working heavily and then um, I would say.
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Speaker 1: The next one after that most was Tyler Perry is
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Speaker 1: for Better or Worse? Mm hmm. Now how did you
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Speaker 1: get there? Because Tyler's always getting new talent a shot.
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Speaker 1: So did you audition it forward or your hand pick
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Speaker 1: for how did that? Tyler is so influential. I've known
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Speaker 1: it for a lot of years and will he's never
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Speaker 1: he loves giving young people a shot. A first time
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Speaker 1: actor to tell us about that experience, it's study. I
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Speaker 1: auditioned for for Better or Worse, not knowing that Tyler
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Speaker 1: had seen me at a comedy club in l a
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Speaker 1: like about a year before that, and he had said that,
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Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to you know, he he told me,
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Speaker 1: he goes. When I saw you, I said, wow, I
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Speaker 1: want to work with her. But at the time I
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Speaker 1: didn't have, you know, a project, he said. But when
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Speaker 1: I got for Better. You know, when I wrote for
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Speaker 1: Better or Worse and you came in the audition, I
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Speaker 1: immediately remembered you, he said. And basically at that point
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Speaker 1: you had the part. It was just because she acts,
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Speaker 1: he goes, and you killed that audition so much, I
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Speaker 1: didn't have to see anybody else after you, So you
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Speaker 1: you're not knowing. Now that's a pressure. Now that's some
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Speaker 1: unknown pressure because if you know what I'm going, I
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Speaker 1: went in just auditioning like anybody else. I didn't know
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Speaker 1: that he had already seen me, right, so he knew
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Speaker 1: of my work. I had no idea he knew of
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Speaker 1: my work. So not knowing that, ually went in then
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Speaker 1: just did the coca thin, you know, did the coin whatever?
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Speaker 1: The audition got it? And so how many episodes did
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Speaker 1: you do for better work? Hundred and one hundred and
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Speaker 1: sixty seven h sixty seven? Now what did that do
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Speaker 1: for your brain as a stand up comic? Now? Now
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Speaker 1: you you know, because black people know you're now you
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Speaker 1: know Coca brown, Coca Brown? Yeah? Now how definitely how
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Speaker 1: did the reactions start? Could you? Were you selling that
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Speaker 1: dating comedy clubs and small venues? How did that reaction
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Speaker 1: start for you? And then when did you start noticing
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Speaker 1: people knew who you were and was reacting to you Coca?
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Speaker 1: And it was probably after like the second season for
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Speaker 1: better or Worse? When you know when the first season,
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Speaker 1: I was more so you know, I wasn't in every episode.
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Speaker 1: When we came back to the second season, Tyler had
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Speaker 1: me in all the episodes. And that's how it remained,
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Speaker 1: uh from that day forward that my character Jennifer was
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Speaker 1: in all the episodes and people begin to recognize me
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Speaker 1: as Jennifer. And so when I began to you know,
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Speaker 1: run around that time when I started to really get
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Speaker 1: into comedy clubs and the im problems, the Funny Bones
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Speaker 1: and stuff started letting me in for a weekend, not
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Speaker 1: just Black Night, you know. So, and so I told
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Speaker 1: them to specifically advertise it as Jennifer from Paler Perry
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Speaker 1: for Better or Worse. Well, when I say it packed
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Speaker 1: the room, I mean Tyler Perry has a shoot. I
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Speaker 1: mean you can't even put a number. And then you
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Speaker 1: say that you're a part of one of his shows
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Speaker 1: as a character that just opened up. I mean, people
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Speaker 1: would lined up. And to this day, even with me
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Speaker 1: now getting a fan base from mine, when one on
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Speaker 1: the Fox, which is which is a whole different fans drama,
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Speaker 1: which is a drama exactly the For Better or Worse
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Speaker 1: fans are so loyal they still come out to my shows,
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Speaker 1: pack out the shows. Always asked me if the show's
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Speaker 1: gonna come back, So, I mean, it definitely impacted my career,
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Speaker 1: especially my stand up career. I mean, to this day,
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Speaker 1: if I put from Tyler Perry's single Moms Club and
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Speaker 1: for better or worse, I can guarantee three quarters, if
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Speaker 1: not more than club go to pass with black folks
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Speaker 1: coming in to see Brown, Cocobe Brown and excuse me
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Speaker 1: and Latinos. Latinos are huge fans, we know. We talked
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Speaker 1: about how she started. We talked about at a stand
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Speaker 1: up which is the beauty of being a stand up
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Speaker 1: and an actresses because you can make money before another
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Speaker 1: opportunity comes to you. And that's what that's the beauty
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Speaker 1: of being a stand up. And that's what she talks about.
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Speaker 1: She talked about in the Entrepreneur. She's out there. She
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Speaker 1: a business woman, you know, and a lot of people
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Speaker 1: look at stand ups as talent, but really we're business
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Speaker 1: people because we got a book our days. We gotta
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Speaker 1: hustle out days. We gotta sometimes we're out there at
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Speaker 1: the club. We gotta book on our travel, hotel room,
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Speaker 1: feed ourselves. If you get big enough, you gotta get
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Speaker 1: security and limos and car services and all these things.
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Speaker 1: So when you become a stand up, the early stages
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Speaker 1: of a stand up, you are a small business. You
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Speaker 1: are an entrepreneur, and you are self imployed, and so
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Speaker 1: you already had that skill set down pat when you
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Speaker 1: became a working actress. Now now it's like when you're
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Speaker 1: in this time now that we all got caught off
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Speaker 1: guard by this, by this pandemic, what are you doing
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Speaker 1: to uh, you know, keep yourself focused, to be able
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Speaker 1: to plan because when always gonna end, we know we're
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Speaker 1: gonna get back out in the streets. We know we're
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Speaker 1: gonna get back out in the clubs, we're gonna get
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Speaker 1: back in the arenas. What are you doing right now
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Speaker 1: during this period, Coca? You know, I am hustling my
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Speaker 1: other businesses. I mean, it has been crazy that what
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Speaker 1: has started out as hobbies have now become my main
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Speaker 1: source of income. I have a cd D business called
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Speaker 1: the Coca Brown Collection that um I sell CBD infused
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Speaker 1: of body scrubs, body cleans, and hand sanitizers. And that
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Speaker 1: is just taken off, especially with the hand sanitizers and
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Speaker 1: the time that we're in now. Times back you got
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Speaker 1: hands santimes. I mean you ordered a hand sanitizer right now,
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Speaker 1: I can get it, yes for me? Yeah? Okay, now
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Speaker 1: all right now let's get anybody put they put their
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Speaker 1: website on the line right now, so all the time,
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Speaker 1: Coca Brown, also Cocer Brow. I gotta I got a
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Speaker 1: mailing list to over ninety thousand fans. You know, I
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Speaker 1: got almost anion social media followers. So please give me
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Speaker 1: a banner Coco Brown the collection, and I would put
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Speaker 1: it on my social media because everybody's looking for that.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's gotten to the point now that they're
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Speaker 1: even advating. They're running a national commercials for these masks
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Speaker 1: that people are making mass so yeah, and and their
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Speaker 1: price gouging it on Amazon one bottle across you. Yes, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: so so you have hand sanitizers. This is fantastic because
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Speaker 1: you know, because that's one of the things I tell
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Speaker 1: people in their six steps is that you know you
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Speaker 1: gotta have your hand sanitizer when you leave the house.
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Speaker 1: You know, in that way especially, we want into public
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Speaker 1: environments when you when you get back in the cars,
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Speaker 1: for your hands before you touch your car keys and
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Speaker 1: And this is sounding fantastic, So so continue along this client.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe you said you were old, said baby
19:00
Speaker 1: Coca Coca brown folk. I can't believe you. You got
19:05
Speaker 1: to understand these are my grandmother's recipes that I'm using,
19:09
Speaker 1: So you got, you know, a black woman and a
19:12
Speaker 1: Creole woman that taught me how to cook, so you know,
19:14
Speaker 1: they know, you know, they take absolutely absolutely So But
19:17
Speaker 1: before we get too deep, because I want to come
19:18
Speaker 1: back to the cravables because in the beginning during your intro,
19:21
Speaker 1: I stated that the Coca Brown Collection is a hobby,
19:25
Speaker 1: turn passion turn calls. Because I want to talk about
19:28
Speaker 1: the calls part of this because it's very important because
19:32
Speaker 1: one of my dear friends and one of my producers,
19:35
Speaker 1: who I've been doing over twenty years, she has lupus.
19:38
Speaker 1: So when I talk about lupas is not something that
19:41
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with, and I know the impact and
19:43
Speaker 1: she lives a very uh quality, quality, quality for your life.
19:47
Speaker 1: She has a beautiful daughter, but she also has to
19:50
Speaker 1: take medicine. So let's talk about the whole cause part
19:54
Speaker 1: of the Coca Brown Collection, right um. I partnered years
20:00
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago with a group called
20:02
Speaker 1: the Social Butterflies Network Butterfly representing the Butterfly Rash that
20:05
Speaker 1: lucas patient skin and it's an organization that provides all
20:09
Speaker 1: kinds of services for lupus survivors and they near and
20:13
Speaker 1: gear costs to me because my favorite aunt had Lucas
20:16
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, and she passed away when
20:18
Speaker 1: I was twenty one, and she was just, you know,
20:20
Speaker 1: so resilient. But I watched the transformation of this woman
20:23
Speaker 1: because of lucas, And to this day there's no cure,
20:27
Speaker 1: and they have such minimal research and really don't that.
20:29
Speaker 1: They know it's an um an autoimmune to it. They
20:32
Speaker 1: know it's an autoimmune disease. They know what attacks your
20:35
Speaker 1: nervous system and your immune system and all that, but
20:37
Speaker 1: they really don't put the effort in the research they
20:39
Speaker 1: do all the other cancers and autoimmune of disease causes.
20:43
Speaker 1: So I partnered with them a year and a half
20:46
Speaker 1: ago to raise money for that. But then when I
20:49
Speaker 1: begin when I created menchy toes and my CBD infused products,
20:53
Speaker 1: a lot of them were ordering it because it was
20:55
Speaker 1: aiding in the pain and discomfort they were getting from
20:58
Speaker 1: their file on my aug things of that nature. So
21:02
Speaker 1: I when I created the Coca Brown collection, I decided
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Speaker 1: that from ten percent of each sale would go towards
21:08
Speaker 1: social butterflies and lupus research. Wow, because they're using it
21:15
Speaker 1: and they rape about it. I mean I would say
21:17
Speaker 1: a good forty five percent of my customers of the
21:21
Speaker 1: menty toes uh pain release cream is lupas patients and
21:26
Speaker 1: people who suffer from everything from neuropathy file my alga authoritis,
21:34
Speaker 1: I mean, psiatic nerve issues. I mean I have everybody
21:37
Speaker 1: from lupas patients to fitness trainers to firemen, and I
21:41
Speaker 1: even have a podiatrist who endorses my menty toes and
21:45
Speaker 1: actually sells it in her office as an alternative to
21:48
Speaker 1: prescription creams. Congratulations, that's awesome. So yeah, awesome, because really,
21:55
Speaker 1: when I'm talking to you, you know, I'm talking to um.
21:58
Speaker 1: That's the marketing side that you come and communication and
22:01
Speaker 1: advertising side of you. Yeah, you know, I did a
22:04
Speaker 1: lot of marketing with advertising degrees I don't like. I
22:07
Speaker 1: still have all my marketing books, which is hilarious. Well,
22:10
Speaker 1: you know the thing about it is, you know, for yourself,
22:13
Speaker 1: is that that's a comic. You're constantly selling yourself, you
22:16
Speaker 1: know you it's a reason you're successful. It's the reason
22:20
Speaker 1: that you say, Hey, if you're gonna market me at
22:22
Speaker 1: this club, make sure everybody know I'm Jennifer for spell
22:27
Speaker 1: my name right. I mean, they're just such minor things,
22:31
Speaker 1: say your name right, let's let's get there right, say
22:33
Speaker 1: your name right, Coca, Say right now, Coca. But good
22:39
Speaker 1: as long as it fell right on my check. At
22:41
Speaker 1: this point, I'm not gonna trip. But you know, the
22:45
Speaker 1: thing about it is that my name is Rushan. So
22:47
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people have coming with me
22:48
Speaker 1: with a lot of a lot of their own versions
22:51
Speaker 1: of how Rushan should be saying. And then you know,
22:55
Speaker 1: and and sometimes you just go, okay, long this just
22:58
Speaker 1: but it really is your brand, and you're trying to
22:59
Speaker 1: be a brand that respect of a brand of recognition.
23:04
Speaker 1: And so when I saw the way you announciated your
23:07
Speaker 1: name when it was I was spelled out, I went,
23:09
Speaker 1: that's awesome. She she she's controlling her voice. She's controlling
23:12
Speaker 1: her brand and dictate it too because of the fact that, yeah,
23:16
Speaker 1: it gets it gets spelled right on the check. But bar,
23:19
Speaker 1: when just a stranger walk up to you and said right,
23:22
Speaker 1: because that's that's what I knew, I was kind of
23:24
Speaker 1: making it a little bit there, Coca. When when I
23:25
Speaker 1: didn't even know people, heyy Sean, I don't even know
23:28
Speaker 1: who you are, because I because I uhould be able
23:31
Speaker 1: to tell people who knew me and didn't know me
23:33
Speaker 1: by how they said my name. I go, okay, that
23:35
Speaker 1: I never met the mother. Hey Russian, Okay, I've never
23:38
Speaker 1: met this dude in my life, you know, and so
23:43
Speaker 1: and so that really helped me to start definding that.
23:46
Speaker 1: Okay by by getting more and more people saying my
23:49
Speaker 1: name right, really means my marketing and my branding is
23:53
Speaker 1: my my my brand awareness is working. And so a
23:56
Speaker 1: lot of people understand that, like, you know, Apple wants
23:59
Speaker 1: to be saying it correctly. You know, IBM wants their
24:03
Speaker 1: name to be spelled correctly, IBM and said correctly. You know,
24:06
Speaker 1: Google wants their name to be said correctly, and so
24:09
Speaker 1: all these things are very important. We talked about marketing
24:12
Speaker 1: and branding because that's all you've dealt with from day one.
24:15
Speaker 1: You know, when you say five years old and remember
24:19
Speaker 1: all these lines, that means that there was an effort
24:21
Speaker 1: to way back after fifth grade, when it was in
24:24
Speaker 1: the fifth grade, all these lines. It was an effort,
24:27
Speaker 1: but you still prepared and and achieved and that in
24:30
Speaker 1: that work ethic. People saw you in Chi's special because
24:33
Speaker 1: guess what if you gave me a lot of lines
24:35
Speaker 1: in the fifth grade, I'm pretty sure I would never
24:38
Speaker 1: remember or wouldn't even care to have done, because that
24:41
Speaker 1: wasn't my passion. That wasn't my passion. And so you've
24:44
Speaker 1: been able to carry a passion all these years and
24:47
Speaker 1: now you're a successful talent and now you're a successful businesswoman.
24:51
Speaker 1: What are the next steps? Because you're a single parent? Correct? Yes, yes,
24:57
Speaker 1: I am old old cocause I've done. Yes, you're you're
25:05
Speaker 1: a single parent. What do you just say? Single parents?
25:08
Speaker 1: I'm a single mall. That's yeah, So what's married one?
25:14
Speaker 1: Let put that out there. So let's talk about the
25:17
Speaker 1: whole balanced life now, because you know, you're acting, you're traveling,
25:21
Speaker 1: you know, your businesswoman now, you know you're talking about
25:24
Speaker 1: this whole product line that you have out there, and
25:27
Speaker 1: then you are a mom, single mall, talk about how
25:30
Speaker 1: you balance all that, um, you know, by the grace
25:34
Speaker 1: of God and a great village. You know, I have
25:38
Speaker 1: always had a great village around me, especially you know
25:42
Speaker 1: after I let you know my marriage and became a
25:45
Speaker 1: single mom. I've always had a great village around me
25:48
Speaker 1: to help me with my son from the very beginning.
25:51
Speaker 1: So I'm very adamant about, you know, building a great
25:55
Speaker 1: village around you as a single parent, you know, much
25:57
Speaker 1: as we would like for super people, you know, super superheroes,
26:01
Speaker 1: you know, we can't do it all by ourself, and
26:03
Speaker 1: we do need help and we have to always remember that,
26:06
Speaker 1: you know. And I've always been grateful and then too,
26:09
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just gonna brag a little bit. I
26:11
Speaker 1: have an amazing kit. I have an amazing kit. His resilience,
26:15
Speaker 1: understanding of what bommy does, um, and what I have
26:20
Speaker 1: to do for a living, I mean, he gets it,
26:23
Speaker 1: you know, even you know, he has his moments where
26:25
Speaker 1: he just wants his mommy, and you know, and I
26:28
Speaker 1: give him that. I mean, this is the most time
26:30
Speaker 1: that we have been with each other constantly with no distractions.
26:36
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, well, mommy is physically here day
26:39
Speaker 1: in and day out. It has been for almost two months.
26:42
Speaker 1: So um, that's interesting that And then that's that's the
26:47
Speaker 1: good side of the pandemic because I'm the same way
26:49
Speaker 1: with my daughter. You know. You know, she's twenty two
26:53
Speaker 1: senior in college, and you know, all those shames of
26:56
Speaker 1: raising her. I was on the road, I was traveling.
26:58
Speaker 1: Plus she was a she was tennis star, and so
27:01
Speaker 1: tennis probably so she was always traveling all over the country.
27:04
Speaker 1: So you know we last night we're playing dance tap
27:07
Speaker 1: dance fever. Every day I'm playing with her, you know,
27:09
Speaker 1: beating up with calories. You know how Dad beat me
27:12
Speaker 1: losing more calories in the dance. So I know what
27:15
Speaker 1: that that that part of this whole thing is. It's
27:17
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27:19
Speaker 1: of your bars. But before we end this interview, I
27:21
Speaker 1: want to go back to these Cravables and I want
27:23
Speaker 1: you to tell people how to what they can go
27:26
Speaker 1: to follow you, as well as to buy some of
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Speaker 1: your products. Okay, great, great, alright, you guys can uh
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Speaker 1: show today, they will be sharing that podcast that I've
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Speaker 1: listened to, Sugar Please. Welcome to Money Making Conversation. The
31:43
Speaker 1: owners of sugar Berry, tick A Sumter and Tyrandoff, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We want to thank you everywhere.
31:59
Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for taking the time, because
32:02
Speaker 1: you know my show. You know, you just start things
32:04
Speaker 1: with ideas. And twenty seventeen, I just was interviewing friends
32:08
Speaker 1: that I know, and they were celebrities and I didn't
32:11
Speaker 1: know why I was interviewing them, and uh then I
32:13
Speaker 1: shut it down. I said, I asked my staff ago,
32:16
Speaker 1: why are they calling me? Because I don't even know
32:18
Speaker 1: why I'm talking to him? And so I had to
32:20
Speaker 1: get a point of view. And so the reason I
32:23
Speaker 1: was excited about We're gonna talk about sugar Bear, but
32:25
Speaker 1: I want to first talk about your relationships that you
32:27
Speaker 1: two have and then the podcast Sugar because you guys
32:31
Speaker 1: have a point of view, and I went like, wow,
32:33
Speaker 1: they upfront. They started it with the idea of a
32:37
Speaker 1: concept or who they're talking to. So let's talk about
32:40
Speaker 1: the whole how that process of creating that podcast sho
32:44
Speaker 1: got started. Yeah, I mean, well it was kind of
32:49
Speaker 1: it's weird. I think it was the first with Sugarberry,
32:53
Speaker 1: and then we decided, you know, okay, out of this
32:57
Speaker 1: we can have real conversations. Kind I got other through
33:00
Speaker 1: a mutual friend of ours who introduced us and I
33:04
Speaker 1: kind of hitched throughout some kind of ideas I had
33:06
Speaker 1: on the wall about creating the space for black mothers
33:10
Speaker 1: um where we can be free to speak on anything
33:13
Speaker 1: we need to speak on or sometimes we're not included
33:16
Speaker 1: in all conversations, including you know, our bodies and and
33:20
Speaker 1: and even being hospitalized with pregnancy, but even I vs
33:25
Speaker 1: 're just just somewhere to laugh and indulge in every
33:29
Speaker 1: everything across the spectrum of motherhood and sisterhood. So you
33:33
Speaker 1: know it's I love this idea, and we we came
33:37
Speaker 1: together to create what Sugarberry is now and the Sugar
33:40
Speaker 1: on Stitcher, which is our podcast. So we just wanted
33:43
Speaker 1: to laugh and and also I think it's very therapeutic
33:47
Speaker 1: for both of us as well as being mothers, but
33:49
Speaker 1: not only mothers, but just human beings. You know, who
33:53
Speaker 1: are who are career women in this world who needed
33:56
Speaker 1: an outlet? And if we we know, if we needed it,
33:59
Speaker 1: there's so many the other women who who? Who? Who?
34:02
Speaker 1: Who needs it as well? Well you know tie your
34:05
Speaker 1: thoughts as well. Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think, um,
34:10
Speaker 1: you know, Montica came up with the idea for launching
34:14
Speaker 1: a platform and a community you know that catered to
34:20
Speaker 1: you know, women of color and black mom the particular
34:23
Speaker 1: when I first set to hear out there, when when
34:25
Speaker 1: we first got together and she told me about the idea.
34:27
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a skeptic nature, so I'm always looking
34:30
Speaker 1: to you know, poke holes and a business idea. But
34:33
Speaker 1: what captured me, that's that's who you got in business
34:37
Speaker 1: with malform Let me tell you, with somebody who is
34:45
Speaker 1: opposite of all the talents that you have. Yeah, you
34:50
Speaker 1: need someone to poke a hole through everything. Great idea, girl,
34:55
Speaker 1: I want you, why why you want that? Don't make
34:59
Speaker 1: no ships? Nobody was asking, well, well, we we we
35:06
Speaker 1: both had respect for this mutual friend and I was
35:08
Speaker 1: a huge fan of Kika's work, but I was I
35:10
Speaker 1: was very skeptical about, you know, sort of the digital
35:12
Speaker 1: publishing space. You know, I know that, you know, we
35:16
Speaker 1: as black women are you know, the fastest growing segment
35:19
Speaker 1: of entrepreneurs of this country, but we also faced the
35:21
Speaker 1: most hurdles when it comes to things like access to capital.
35:24
Speaker 1: So I wanted to make sure when you know, we
35:27
Speaker 1: were Even as I was listening to the idea before
35:29
Speaker 1: she invited me to you know, become her partner. Um,
35:32
Speaker 1: I was ready to to sort of like poke the whole,
35:35
Speaker 1: but what if she was talking? I found myself taking
35:38
Speaker 1: off my business hat, and as a consumer, it just
35:40
Speaker 1: resonated with me. I saw as um, you know, a
35:43
Speaker 1: woman of color, as a new mom, someone who's up
35:46
Speaker 1: really mobile and thinking about where do I invest my money,
35:49
Speaker 1: Where do I sign the resources? You know, what products
35:51
Speaker 1: and brands, UM should I support? There was just this
35:56
Speaker 1: sort of deficit of resources and particularly resources that were
36:00
Speaker 1: speaking to people who look like me and who shared
36:02
Speaker 1: my experience. So you know, I said, hey, not only
36:06
Speaker 1: am I interested in this, I would be your first customer.
36:08
Speaker 1: And I think, what's really all of our efforts you know,
36:11
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, the content that we program on
36:13
Speaker 1: our site or you know, um, you know what we're
36:17
Speaker 1: doing with the sugar or the brand partnership that we're forming,
36:20
Speaker 1: it's all deeply personal, right Let's we want to make
36:23
Speaker 1: sure that when we're rolling out conversations or content that
36:27
Speaker 1: it's stuff that we can identify with. And and that's
36:29
Speaker 1: what I feel like could really resonated so far with
36:32
Speaker 1: it with the audience. I think, um, you know, our
36:34
Speaker 1: community feels like we're speaking with them and not ask them.
36:38
Speaker 1: We know. It's great. And I'm just joking about the
36:40
Speaker 1: relationship because options do attract. And then you in business,
36:45
Speaker 1: what what you guys both bringted their tables a huge
36:48
Speaker 1: amount of success and a huge amount of work ethic
36:50
Speaker 1: from from different lanes. And and the fact that I
36:53
Speaker 1: love about because I've been tracking Check a little bit.
36:55
Speaker 1: You know, she's she produces a lot of projects, she
36:57
Speaker 1: pitches a lot of things, and she has a strong
37:00
Speaker 1: entrepreneurial base. And then you're coming from the Facebook side,
37:03
Speaker 1: which is the beast of social media, so that that's
37:06
Speaker 1: a knowledge that when you guys come together, that's almost
37:09
Speaker 1: like a I can see why somebody would say, you
37:11
Speaker 1: two need to talk because you're emerging digital social Uh,
37:16
Speaker 1: you know it's from a celebrity stand because tis a celebrity,
37:19
Speaker 1: she's a brand, she's a visual brand, and it allows
37:22
Speaker 1: you to get news articles and get interviews and then
37:24
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you get on the show and
37:25
Speaker 1: you tell your story. But the thing I always tell
37:28
Speaker 1: people about, the most successful black magazine right now currently
37:31
Speaker 1: is Essence Magazine, and that's because it talks about women
37:35
Speaker 1: of color, black women. It's point of view and that's
37:38
Speaker 1: what I love. When I heard your podcast and I
37:41
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37:42
Speaker 1: interview YouTube and not listen to your brand. And one
37:46
Speaker 1: of the things that stood out when interview was like
37:48
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37:55
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, and you know, you know,
37:57
Speaker 1: you know, when you you'll explain that. Okay, look, I'm
38:00
Speaker 1: that's possible, you know, because you know, people would say
38:04
Speaker 1: stuff you go that makes sense. They have the right
38:07
Speaker 1: to say, I love being pregnant, but I hate being pregnant. Okay,
38:11
Speaker 1: get this. I don't like the process. I don't like
38:13
Speaker 1: the weight getting, I don't like the ankles. But I
38:16
Speaker 1: don't like I don't like you taking me nine months.
38:18
Speaker 1: If this could be done in a couple of hours,
38:20
Speaker 1: we're good. So yeah, I mean, I think it's giving
38:28
Speaker 1: you know, exactly what you said. It's giving um people
38:33
Speaker 1: the place to be able to say things that they
38:35
Speaker 1: normally couldn't say in public or just the space where
38:39
Speaker 1: you know, that's the truth, you know what I mean,
38:42
Speaker 1: And we are able to say the truth, especially around
38:44
Speaker 1: each other, because we're not gonna look at each other
38:46
Speaker 1: inside I and and give judgment for what people have
38:49
Speaker 1: been saying for years. On the other end, you know
38:52
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like if people say my kid is
38:54
Speaker 1: a terrorist, it's like, oh wow, that's funny, you know.
38:57
Speaker 1: And then sometimes when when something we say it, it's like,
39:00
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're a terrible mom. So we wanted
39:02
Speaker 1: to give you know, my mother is a space where
39:06
Speaker 1: they can be super hoo. And I was like so
39:08
Speaker 1: in love with that. I was like, I'm a fan.
39:10
Speaker 1: I'm a fan because because anytime I always tell people
39:14
Speaker 1: is that I'm always always tell people wake up stupid,
39:16
Speaker 1: so I can accept information. If you wake up smart
39:19
Speaker 1: all the time, you know, you know, who are you
39:21
Speaker 1: gonna listen to if you think you're the smartest guy
39:23
Speaker 1: in the room all the time. But I was making
39:26
Speaker 1: going to an environment and gain information. And so when
39:30
Speaker 1: I was listening and first of all, you know on
39:32
Speaker 1: the podcast, I listened to you when y'all gave love
39:34
Speaker 1: to Megan the Stallion because Sugar the album I c
39:38
Speaker 1: d O by the same name. So it was like,
39:41
Speaker 1: so when I was listening to it, I was like,
39:44
Speaker 1: because I got first of all, I have six sisters. Okay,
39:47
Speaker 1: so no, you're talking about a guy who has been
39:49
Speaker 1: around women all his life. Okay, four of them are
39:51
Speaker 1: older than me. And so so here I am going,
39:54
Speaker 1: you know, some this is so dead on because African
39:58
Speaker 1: American women and women of color have always had to
40:01
Speaker 1: accept information, had to accept clothing, clothes style, this except
40:05
Speaker 1: hair styles had to accept. Uh. And then when we
40:08
Speaker 1: when we pioneered and said, you know, stop, I want
40:12
Speaker 1: to talk about our needs. You hit home runs. I
40:16
Speaker 1: really do believe you two are hitting the home run
40:19
Speaker 1: with what you're doing with your podcast. That's just something
40:23
Speaker 1: just telling you that I've done a lot of great
40:25
Speaker 1: things in our life. I produced a lot of great
40:26
Speaker 1: things in the life. You guys are owned something very
40:29
Speaker 1: very special, and I just wanted to say that we're
40:30
Speaker 1: gonna continue this interview, but I want to let you
40:32
Speaker 1: know that I was laughing. I was like, are you
40:37
Speaker 1: guys are natural? First of all, articulate, everything was very clear, okay,
40:46
Speaker 1: you know, because you know exactly we talked about the
40:50
Speaker 1: fact that both of you guys are moms. You know,
40:51
Speaker 1: when you'll start talking about that, you know, it's it
40:54
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I said, how do you know
40:56
Speaker 1: in life we're always caught up in looks? Were caught
41:00
Speaker 1: up in and um and because you know when I'm
41:03
Speaker 1: when I look at because you know, she's a stall,
41:05
Speaker 1: you know, she's beautiful. I wouldn't even think she had
41:07
Speaker 1: a child. So I listened to the pocket. When did
41:13
Speaker 1: she dropped this time? So something like I'm like, form,
41:19
Speaker 1: I'm heavily informed, very well, you know, so I'm just
41:26
Speaker 1: I'm just having a good time laughing at both of
41:28
Speaker 1: you guys, going they're crazy. I said, they're crazy, they're
41:31
Speaker 1: crazy and so and so, yeah, thank you, thank you
41:36
Speaker 1: for that. Well that's crazy in a good way because
41:39
Speaker 1: now me as a man, I can have a good
41:42
Speaker 1: time and I can get a window you know the
41:45
Speaker 1: beautiful thing about it when you know Steve Harvey and
41:47
Speaker 1: I produced this book, A collect to Think Like a Man.
41:50
Speaker 1: The reason it was successful because we opened up information
41:54
Speaker 1: lane about what men really think about women and daity. Okay,
41:58
Speaker 1: that's why the book sold three in copy and so
42:01
Speaker 1: because you two are going to open up that wind
42:04
Speaker 1: all opening up. Let me just let me say it. Now,
42:06
Speaker 1: you're opening up this lane. Don't stop, don't stop, you
42:13
Speaker 1: can't stay tka TI TNT. I gotta keep going, girl,
42:18
Speaker 1: gott keep going. You know, you know, optimism and suspect,
42:27
Speaker 1: ostimism and suspect. I don't know. I love it. Why
42:31
Speaker 1: you love it? I'm not sure? Why are you sure?
42:38
Speaker 1: I'm having a good time with my ladies here? One
42:41
Speaker 1: I didn't even know she was praying. I don't know
42:42
Speaker 1: you have the child, you know. Listen to our podcast.
42:45
Speaker 1: All this information to be downloaded on me. Um. That's
42:49
Speaker 1: t n T. That's Tica and ticking something tyrand of
42:53
Speaker 1: brilliant on feels you know her for mixing and a sonic.
42:57
Speaker 1: The Hedge hard hit movie made over three hund million
42:59
Speaker 1: dollars world a wide hundred and thirty six million dollars locally. Um,
43:03
Speaker 1: tie of the fact that she's even tied to Facebook
43:07
Speaker 1: makes you amazing. But she's also tied to another amazing guy,
43:10
Speaker 1: Kevin Hard laugh out Loud Networks. She's your general manager
43:13
Speaker 1: and executive vice president. Please welcome back to the show.
43:16
Speaker 1: Let's talk about uh, further expanding into the lifestyle the
43:21
Speaker 1: culture of women of colors sugar berries. Talk about that.
43:27
Speaker 1: How you want to take that one? Sure? Um? So
43:30
Speaker 1: you know so so, Like I said, Montika came with
43:33
Speaker 1: the idea and we first started talking about it. But
43:36
Speaker 1: what was interesting is we had seen similar efforts really
43:39
Speaker 1: scale and grain traction with you know, non black women.
43:44
Speaker 1: So you have the groups of the world with Sinnis Paltrow, Um,
43:48
Speaker 1: you know Jessica Album, who are a great you know
43:50
Speaker 1: fan of his, his launched and scale honest company in
43:53
Speaker 1: a really interesting way, Corney Kardashian, and we said, where
43:58
Speaker 1: is ours? Right and to your point about um, you
44:01
Speaker 1: know sort of Tika being a huge celebrity but also
44:04
Speaker 1: just so well loved by the community and very respected,
44:07
Speaker 1: it was who better to helm this And she's been
44:09
Speaker 1: so open and honest about you know, her own experiences.
44:12
Speaker 1: And then we wanted to make sure those that sort
44:15
Speaker 1: of you know, the one thing we wanted to separate. Yes,
44:17
Speaker 1: you wanted to be aspirational but very inclusive UM. And
44:21
Speaker 1: so on one side of the Sugar Bearer, you really
44:24
Speaker 1: feel when we lant Um, there's a video on the
44:27
Speaker 1: site where we talk about the reason for founding it
44:30
Speaker 1: and we say this is a love letter to black moms,
44:32
Speaker 1: and so this really is a passion project UM with
44:36
Speaker 1: us wanting to provide the resources that we were looking
44:38
Speaker 1: for that weeda and have. On the flip side of that, however,
44:41
Speaker 1: though there was this grounding and this being really really
44:44
Speaker 1: good business ties. You know, Black African American women guild
44:48
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of purchasing power. Um. You know, if
44:51
Speaker 1: African Americans alone work country, they would be the fifteenth
44:54
Speaker 1: largest economy in the world. And African American women control
44:58
Speaker 1: the lion share of that purchase and power. And so
45:01
Speaker 1: the impact that we can have on consumer goods, on
45:04
Speaker 1: media consumption. You talk about Facebook, look at how red
45:07
Speaker 1: Table Talk literally resides the watch platform, or when you
45:12
Speaker 1: look at you know, network television and the success of
45:15
Speaker 1: the likes of This is Us and Blackish and now
45:17
Speaker 1: mixed issh. You see that it's not just that we
45:20
Speaker 1: influence our own purchasing behavior, but we have a tremendous
45:23
Speaker 1: amount of general market um purchase influence. And so in
45:28
Speaker 1: founding Sugar Barrier, we wanted to really envelop and embrace um,
45:31
Speaker 1: you know, black moms and tell a different story about
45:34
Speaker 1: black motherhood or a myriad of different stories. But we
45:37
Speaker 1: also wanted to connect with brands and advertisers and media
45:40
Speaker 1: companies in a real way and say, here is our community.
45:44
Speaker 1: Let's communicate to them with care and nuance. Right. You know,
45:47
Speaker 1: it's really interesting that in one of my other favorite shows,
45:50
Speaker 1: romantic shows as a cherish today, I don't know if
45:53
Speaker 1: you've seen that serious. That's one of the most ability
45:57
Speaker 1: love visits to work with that look beautiful, beautiful beauty.
46:01
Speaker 1: I'm just laid down there. I'm feeling your ladies, I'm
46:03
Speaker 1: feeling your boy, are feeling both of you guys. He's
46:08
Speaker 1: the Here's the whole thing about it is that when
46:09
Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, you're welcoming and love and
46:12
Speaker 1: environment for moms of color by providing content surrounding health,
46:16
Speaker 1: which is important wellness, finances, self care, travel, and so
46:20
Speaker 1: much more. Now, let's go back to let's talk about
46:23
Speaker 1: the health first, because you know right now during this pandemic,
46:26
Speaker 1: you know, immediately more African Americans affected or dying because
46:30
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. What do you talk about when when
46:33
Speaker 1: your what is your platform for health when it comes
46:35
Speaker 1: to women of color? Well, you know, some of our
46:40
Speaker 1: articles have been about real immediate financial health, like the
46:44
Speaker 1: financial literacy of it all with the stimulus check or
46:48
Speaker 1: just COVID nineteen, how do you apply for unemployment or
46:52
Speaker 1: or things like that. So we've been really trying to
46:55
Speaker 1: drive articles like that out. We've been trying to talk
47:00
Speaker 1: about the disparities. I mean, that's what we do anyway,
47:02
Speaker 1: we talk about disparity. But that's one way we've been
47:04
Speaker 1: trying to get information out to the people who need
47:08
Speaker 1: it most. We know it's really because in the business
47:11
Speaker 1: as we live that you know, it's a male dominated business,
47:14
Speaker 1: you know, where there's a producing executives, and but women
47:19
Speaker 1: are becoming you know, they're they're as far as entrepreneur
47:22
Speaker 1: women of color. What what I'm not putting you on
47:26
Speaker 1: the spot to say you guys are the experts, but
47:28
Speaker 1: you are my sugar team. Okay, so I'm gonna come
47:31
Speaker 1: to you, okay, And so I got I got, I
47:34
Speaker 1: got megastar over here, I got Mega Mega produced over here,
47:37
Speaker 1: I got Mega executive over here, Megastar Mega executive. Okay,
47:41
Speaker 1: y'all dynamic team. So with that being said, why why
47:45
Speaker 1: is it? Why? Why how African American women feel they
47:48
Speaker 1: can do it? They can They don't have to work
47:50
Speaker 1: for anybody anymore. When they've been portrayed you know as
47:53
Speaker 1: as and you know Fams Maide or Overweight on television
47:57
Speaker 1: a lot or the the lovable character. That's all. He's funny.
48:01
Speaker 1: Other than there have been very few times on TV
48:04
Speaker 1: that African women have been traded as professionals. So why
48:08
Speaker 1: do you feel that now African women say, no, we
48:11
Speaker 1: can do this, we can go out there and we
48:13
Speaker 1: can be business people. Well, I think Black women have
48:18
Speaker 1: been carrying the load of all businesses from the time
48:20
Speaker 1: we came to this country and every way. So I
48:23
Speaker 1: think we've been carrying Michelle Obama talking, that's that, the
48:26
Speaker 1: young Michelle Obama talk. We've we've just been pushed down
48:32
Speaker 1: all the way to the bottom of the totem poll.
48:35
Speaker 1: Have not gotten anything back for all the work we've done.
48:38
Speaker 1: But I think now obviously the time has changed, and
48:41
Speaker 1: you know, people are starting to create things for themselves.
48:44
Speaker 1: They're like, listen, I can you know all the streaming platforms,
48:47
Speaker 1: all the platforms online that people are posting their stuff
48:50
Speaker 1: and not waiting for people anymore or the powers that be.
48:53
Speaker 1: And I think where our culture is the culture that pushes,
48:57
Speaker 1: you know, pushes forth the conversations. We we pushed forward
49:03
Speaker 1: what's cool, you know, and we've been doing that for
49:05
Speaker 1: so long. And I think we've been doing it and
49:07
Speaker 1: everybody else has been taking it and capitalizing off of it.
49:10
Speaker 1: And now we're like, wait a second, we're always left behind.
49:13
Speaker 1: Let's do stuff for ourselves. Let's collaborate, and let's let's
49:17
Speaker 1: show who we are. We're very dynamic, well rounded people
49:20
Speaker 1: and every aspect, you know. And so I think it's
49:23
Speaker 1: not that we couldn't do it before. It's just the
49:27
Speaker 1: not not only was the opportunity not there, but the
49:29
Speaker 1: tools weren't all there, and people weren't leaving doors open
49:33
Speaker 1: for us, you know, or acting like they knew our
49:36
Speaker 1: stories better than we knew ourselves. So I think just
49:39
Speaker 1: the time timing has changed and people are probably especially
49:43
Speaker 1: people of color, Black people are We're sick and tired
49:46
Speaker 1: of being sick and tired of people constantly taking control
49:50
Speaker 1: of our narrative. And I thank you, and I think
49:54
Speaker 1: we had We're living in the residual reality of a
49:56
Speaker 1: couple of generations of really strong black you know, erations
50:00
Speaker 1: of strong Black women who really prepare this generation of women,
50:04
Speaker 1: right Like I think if you look at the pasture
50:07
Speaker 1: that our mom's had. If what's interesting if you look
50:09
Speaker 1: at the research and not just the number of um
50:12
Speaker 1: new entrepreneurs who are African American women, but if you
50:16
Speaker 1: look at how many of those are first generation college students,
50:19
Speaker 1: it's pretty daggerant. So you have to think about the
50:21
Speaker 1: seeds that were son, you know, just you know, twenty
50:24
Speaker 1: years ago, yours or thirty years ago, said Okay, I'm
50:27
Speaker 1: gonna make sure my daughter goes to school. I'm going
50:29
Speaker 1: to make sure that he has this you know sort
50:31
Speaker 1: of pastors independent and so you know that I really
50:36
Speaker 1: think that this is like the fruit of many of
50:38
Speaker 1: our mother's labors to them, and yet it um And
50:41
Speaker 1: then I think you see this solidarity forming where they're
50:46
Speaker 1: almost seemed to be this resistance for so long there
50:48
Speaker 1: could only be one of us. And whether it's seeming
50:51
Speaker 1: or the number of you know, UM women's groups and
50:56
Speaker 1: sororities and UM you know sort of consortions that you
51:00
Speaker 1: seeing where you know, we're pulling our resources, UM and
51:03
Speaker 1: our efforts to really amplify and support each other. It's
51:06
Speaker 1: a really beautiful movement that's going on amongst women of color.
51:10
Speaker 1: I can't tell you on the Sugar how many amazing
51:13
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs we have had in one staff that or another,
51:17
Speaker 1: from interior designers and furniture store owners to um. You know,
51:22
Speaker 1: people in the wellness fields are trans you know, like
51:25
Speaker 1: Debbie Brown and the wellness field who's really transforming things.
51:28
Speaker 1: But the one through line is that everyone has been
51:31
Speaker 1: so supportive of other women of color. So so I
51:34
Speaker 1: think there's a kind of a movement or undercurrent there too.
51:37
Speaker 1: You know, it's really uh. The thing about it is
51:41
Speaker 1: that in here both of your articulate the playing the
51:43
Speaker 1: mission and I'm talking to takas something in tyrand Off
51:47
Speaker 1: there the host of The Sugar, one of their many
51:50
Speaker 1: and devors as a podcast which airs every week and
51:52
Speaker 1: the listeners can laugh, learn, love and as they spill
51:56
Speaker 1: The Sugar instead of the tea they shared infibrated, celebrating
51:59
Speaker 1: sisterhood and mother the hood. And you know the thing
52:01
Speaker 1: about it is that when I when you when you
52:04
Speaker 1: mentioned you know, Jessica album you're missening to some other
52:07
Speaker 1: people you know right now as a podcast, and then
52:12
Speaker 1: you mentioned red Table. Now, what you guys are doing
52:15
Speaker 1: is not red Table. It's something totally different. Does this
52:19
Speaker 1: does will this become visual? Will we'll be able to
52:22
Speaker 1: see this in a streaming platform maybe or a syndicated
52:27
Speaker 1: platform maybe. Because I'm telling your Sean McDonald's a fan,
52:31
Speaker 1: because first of all, I love talking to you guys,
52:34
Speaker 1: because y'all really are you know, get the muddon, Jeff,
52:37
Speaker 1: you know, Lauren Hardy, y'all really are y'all option and
52:40
Speaker 1: y'all y'all sounded like you know, you know that I
52:42
Speaker 1: need to see y'all on TV because I go, is
52:44
Speaker 1: that Tika Tuck? You know, I got to put that
52:48
Speaker 1: old ear to the to the phone, you know what
52:50
Speaker 1: we're talking to. Yeah, Yeah, we're absolutely excited to once
52:55
Speaker 1: we get out obviously, once we're all able to leave
52:57
Speaker 1: the house again, plans to Yeah, a bunch of theories
53:03
Speaker 1: on our on our platform sugarberry dot com. But also,
53:07
Speaker 1: um yeah, there's see the visual of the actual podcast
53:11
Speaker 1: on because it's just a wonderful Um. Like I said,
53:16
Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of Val with Essence Magazine,
53:19
Speaker 1: the Essence Festivals all those years and just going down
53:22
Speaker 1: and seeing five hundred thousand, you know, black people and
53:25
Speaker 1: to walk around and at least eight percent of the
53:28
Speaker 1: African American women walking around, you know, examining their culture,
53:32
Speaker 1: of building their culture and throughout this country. You know,
53:35
Speaker 1: your uh circle of sisters in New York that's a
53:38
Speaker 1: giant festival. Charlotte, that's a giant female festival. So they're
53:42
Speaker 1: always festivals for women, geared towards women. But I like
53:46
Speaker 1: the fact that you guys are becoming a varce an
53:49
Speaker 1: entrepreneurial vorce and saying women are beyond let's letsten to
53:53
Speaker 1: beyond the kitchen, beyond being just cute, being just being
53:56
Speaker 1: being a person of face, of attractiveness, your business people,
54:00
Speaker 1: of people who you know, your your your your wives,
54:03
Speaker 1: you're raising kids. But guess what you're more than that
54:05
Speaker 1: is that is that basically the story in a in
54:08
Speaker 1: a version of what you guys are trying to accomplish
54:10
Speaker 1: and tell on a daily basis, not only with your platforms, Sugar,
54:13
Speaker 1: but with your brand Sugarberry. Yeah. I mean say, um,
54:20
Speaker 1: you know, motherhood should be enjoyed, not just indoors, and
54:23
Speaker 1: we wanted to all these you know, seasing stories. But
54:26
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, to your point about you know,
54:29
Speaker 1: not just being a pretty face and not just being
54:31
Speaker 1: what's what's so interesting is from a business partnership perspective,
54:34
Speaker 1: in Tatica's earlier point about finding someone who you know
54:37
Speaker 1: is sort of who balances your strength and weaknesses, but
54:40
Speaker 1: also who has the same work ethic you got so
54:43
Speaker 1: hands on not just in sort of the program she's
54:46
Speaker 1: hands on in the creative direction and the programming and
54:49
Speaker 1: the editorial in do dual structures, And so I think
54:53
Speaker 1: that you know, it's it's really really hope to lay
54:56
Speaker 1: up a blueprint for you know, women and this entrepreneurs
55:00
Speaker 1: in general. Um, it's a it's a lot of hardware,
55:04
Speaker 1: but but also um, you know, there's there's space for
55:08
Speaker 1: everyone at the table, and so so much of what
55:10
Speaker 1: we talked about even on the Sugar is what this
55:14
Speaker 1: journey has been like for us, Like launching during the
55:16
Speaker 1: COVID crisis and you know, our own you know, sort
55:20
Speaker 1: of hurdles with you know, raising capital. So um, so yeah,
55:24
Speaker 1: I do think it's it's a point of inspiration. Chika,
55:27
Speaker 1: what would you say? Yeah, I think it's a point
55:30
Speaker 1: of inspiration. And I think it's just I mean, I
55:33
Speaker 1: don't think I think having a pretty face is just
55:35
Speaker 1: not enough. And I don't think anybody just I don't
55:39
Speaker 1: think anybody wants to just be a pretty face. I
55:41
Speaker 1: think they just have to find their passion and what
55:43
Speaker 1: they're really good at and then go from there, you know,
55:46
Speaker 1: and try to seek the opportunities where they are and
55:50
Speaker 1: start from where you are. So yeah, we know, you know,
55:53
Speaker 1: I'm talking to very two very smart, smart ladies. And
55:57
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, I saw tikasaw these movies.
56:00
Speaker 1: I think you started with Jamie Lee Curtis and um
56:04
Speaker 1: and you were and yeah, right right right and you
56:07
Speaker 1: um and you were rattling off these terrorist names, and
56:12
Speaker 1: I I went, I went, ain't no way I could
56:16
Speaker 1: say two of those names correctly. You just articulate them
56:19
Speaker 1: so smooth, and so it's just it's just, you know,
56:22
Speaker 1: there's nothings like that impressed me. I'm just sorry. Yeah,
56:25
Speaker 1: I'm just a simple guy. Tka ta T I'm just
56:27
Speaker 1: simping like that, you know, something like that. But the
56:30
Speaker 1: more because I was like, I don't know how I'm
56:32
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Dad, you did it. You did it.
56:34
Speaker 1: I believe you. I believe you. Even if you said
56:37
Speaker 1: that name wrong, you said it clear. Well, I'm talking
56:42
Speaker 1: to the stars of the Sugar is an incredible podcast.
56:46
Speaker 1: I would do me this favor, send me some banners
56:48
Speaker 1: so I can promote I got, you know, I got
56:50
Speaker 1: my little social media following of almost a million on uh,
56:54
Speaker 1: I got my fan club or with ainty thousands, I
56:57
Speaker 1: got several platforms. I'm a fan of not just a
57:00
Speaker 1: fan of you too. I'm a fan of what you
57:03
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Speaker 1: next guest is a screenwriter. A screen writer. Now see,
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Speaker 1: I'm a sitcom ter. She's a screen right, that's a
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Speaker 1: big difference. We're gonna talk about that. She is straight
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Speaker 1: out of Compton, California. Both the father and brother formerly
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Speaker 1: served as mayors. I'm pretty sure I've met them. I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty sure. She holds the Masters of Fine Arts in
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Speaker 1: Screenwriting from Loyola Marymount University and Masters of Art from
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Speaker 1: Full of Seminary, and as an ordained minister. So I
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Speaker 1: can't use an extra words on the show. She's on
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Speaker 1: the show to discussed overcoming the odds, being mentored by
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Speaker 1: my man John Singleton, and then incredible lifetime movie The
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Speaker 1: Clark's Sisters First Ladies of Gospel. Please walk on the
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Speaker 1: money making Conversation, Camille Tucker, Hi Rashwan, thank you for
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Speaker 1: having me Comilla, so comire. What part of the country
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Speaker 1: you know are you sitting there right now? I'm in
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Speaker 1: l A. I'm in the l A area, l A, California, Cali, Cali.
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Speaker 1: Straight out of Compton, straight straight out of Compton. I
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Speaker 1: know Steve Harvey and I was a broadcast and two
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Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand five we did several live broadcasts,
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Speaker 1: some City Hall, Compton. Now you know, so I as
1:00:08
Speaker 1: as as you know, and you know, the interesting thing
1:00:11
Speaker 1: about it is that when we signed our contract in
1:00:14
Speaker 1: two thousand doty two point three to Beat, which was
1:00:17
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California, you know they will do live broadcast,
1:00:22
Speaker 1: but they were new love broadcasts in the black communities
1:00:25
Speaker 1: and so and so it was kind of like, you know,
1:00:27
Speaker 1: it was always on the perimeter. You know, black people
1:00:29
Speaker 1: have to come to us. And so we went to
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Speaker 1: Ballwin Hills, which is off of Crenshaw in Los Angeles,
1:00:34
Speaker 1: and we went to Compton. People y'all gonna go to
1:00:36
Speaker 1: the company went to Watts. See, these are primary locations.
1:00:39
Speaker 1: If you're listening to other part of the couch. Everybolace,
1:00:42
Speaker 1: I said, it's black folks Balling Hills. Straight black people. Okay,
1:00:48
Speaker 1: they ain't gotta come to you. They're gonna walk to you. Okay,
1:00:50
Speaker 1: they don't have to, they're only getting a bus. They're
1:00:52
Speaker 1: gonna just walk up to you and shake your hand,
1:00:54
Speaker 1: and it and it changed our lives. But more importantly,
1:00:57
Speaker 1: we wanted to tell a different narrative or what people
1:00:59
Speaker 1: have thought them what they saw in movies which he
1:01:01
Speaker 1: saw on TV about black people in these communities. They
1:01:05
Speaker 1: just like you. They want to their middle class, They
1:01:08
Speaker 1: want to they want better for their children and what
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Speaker 1: they have for themselves and that and that kind of
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Speaker 1: got that when I was reading your bio about who
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Speaker 1: you are as a person and knowing that your your
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Speaker 1: father was the Mayor Compton and your brother was a
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Speaker 1: mayor was also the Mayor Compton. Talk about that whole
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Speaker 1: experience and and and just just growing up in that
1:01:26
Speaker 1: environment then then moving out of that environment. Yeah, I
1:01:31
Speaker 1: feel I'm totally a daughter of Compton. And something interesting,
1:01:34
Speaker 1: my father, Walter our Tucker the second used to always say,
1:01:38
Speaker 1: he said that people would say, can any good thing
1:01:41
Speaker 1: come from Compton? And he told them, well, they used
1:01:44
Speaker 1: to say the same thing about Nazareth. My dad to
1:01:48
Speaker 1: say that, and that we know that where Jesus came
1:01:50
Speaker 1: from absolutely absolute. People always have a certain stigma about
1:01:54
Speaker 1: certain locations and it's not until or certain cities or
1:01:59
Speaker 1: places community and when you grow up in that community,
1:02:03
Speaker 1: you know really what the community is, and I grew
1:02:07
Speaker 1: up in a place where people looked out for each other,
1:02:10
Speaker 1: where they cared about, um, the local politics and people involved.
1:02:15
Speaker 1: They were civic servants. And interestingly, I grew up in
1:02:19
Speaker 1: a neighborhood called Richland Farm, which was zoned for a
1:02:22
Speaker 1: livestock so that's something people don't There were black cowboys
1:02:26
Speaker 1: in my community driving down. Are not driving riding down,
1:02:32
Speaker 1: riding down with their chaps and on horses, and so
1:02:35
Speaker 1: that was really rich. My friend had steer and they
1:02:38
Speaker 1: used to compete in the four h and everything. But
1:02:41
Speaker 1: what I did see was Venus and Serena practicing at
1:02:45
Speaker 1: compt Community College with their father. So I saw them.
1:02:49
Speaker 1: I mean I literally you know, they their products of
1:02:53
Speaker 1: it and other great friends and people that I know, Um,
1:02:57
Speaker 1: just a business colleague, Ava du Rene and Leslie Psych's
1:03:01
Speaker 1: fan who's on the ABC Channel seven news. So we
1:03:05
Speaker 1: know that good things and good people can come from anywhere.
1:03:08
Speaker 1: But Compton is a big part of my writing, my influences,
1:03:12
Speaker 1: the local color, the people that I met, the interactions
1:03:16
Speaker 1: that I had living in an all black community and
1:03:19
Speaker 1: even going to a predominantly white school, and just the
1:03:23
Speaker 1: interesting psychotomy of those experiences is what really inspired me
1:03:27
Speaker 1: as a writer. So I am grateful for that background
1:03:30
Speaker 1: and that experience. Well, it articulates your tone, and I
1:03:35
Speaker 1: think that's important because of the fact that that's why
1:03:38
Speaker 1: I feel blasted. I can have this, I think a
1:03:41
Speaker 1: natural conversation with you about l a from a from
1:03:45
Speaker 1: a black perspective of now people, Yeah, because rap rap
1:03:48
Speaker 1: put a label on you know, rapp was successful, but
1:03:51
Speaker 1: it also lead people to believe that, you know, violence, gangsters,
1:03:56
Speaker 1: and so that that didn't help. It help the rappers
1:03:58
Speaker 1: payer racketbooks. But they have the communities, and so reception
1:04:03
Speaker 1: breeds ignorance sometimes when the ignorance is what you're projecting,
1:04:06
Speaker 1: and and that's what that's what the neighborhoods like watch
1:04:10
Speaker 1: neighborhoods like Baling, the Hills area south Central was not
1:04:13
Speaker 1: even a community, but it became like a community. And
1:04:16
Speaker 1: uh just an area of the streets that Crenshaw that
1:04:19
Speaker 1: you drive down and then uh Courts Compton and uh.
1:04:23
Speaker 1: And it was really the thought process that watch you back,
1:04:26
Speaker 1: and you hear black people watch you back when you
1:04:28
Speaker 1: go over there. Boy. And so now when it gets
1:04:32
Speaker 1: that it's interesting also as my father and his brothers
1:04:36
Speaker 1: were all doctors and they had a high rise medical
1:04:39
Speaker 1: building in the middle of Watch community. I mean, we
1:04:46
Speaker 1: want to show we don't sure to tell the truth
1:04:48
Speaker 1: that this this one we're gonna talk about the first
1:04:51
Speaker 1: Ladies of Gospel. But we got to tell the truth first, Camal.
1:04:53
Speaker 1: That's why I brought you. Tell the truth. Tell the truth.
1:04:58
Speaker 1: Preach a little bit all day, mimister, preach a little bit, preacher. Well,
1:05:01
Speaker 1: I think what's so cool is that you see and
1:05:04
Speaker 1: I see, like my father went Tom Harry Dental School,
1:05:07
Speaker 1: and I remember growing up from my friends from either Compston, Carson,
1:05:11
Speaker 1: Baldwin Hills, and even some lived in Paul Verdi. These
1:05:15
Speaker 1: African American men who had gone to Howard, who was
1:05:18
Speaker 1: gone a Morehouse, who had gone to like my Harry,
1:05:21
Speaker 1: my mother went to Fifth who had a lot of um,
1:05:25
Speaker 1: just pride and and and they're not bad pride, but
1:05:28
Speaker 1: the pride and what their work, their work ethic and
1:05:31
Speaker 1: what they did, and they passed down um great values
1:05:34
Speaker 1: to us. So what I see, like you said, is
1:05:37
Speaker 1: middle class people, working class people, UM who wanted to
1:05:42
Speaker 1: the next generation to thrive. And I think they passed
1:05:46
Speaker 1: down great value to us. So that's the other side
1:05:49
Speaker 1: of the story, and to be honest, when you talk
1:05:51
Speaker 1: about a window into the Clark sisters. The way I
1:05:55
Speaker 1: was raised and my dad was also an associate pastor
1:05:57
Speaker 1: in the Baptist Church, I believe that equipped me or
1:06:02
Speaker 1: uniquely spoke to me when this project came to me
1:06:04
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, and I saw it was
1:06:07
Speaker 1: about this strong woman who helped mold her daughters for
1:06:11
Speaker 1: excellence and wanted them to rise above stereotypes or any
1:06:15
Speaker 1: kind of thing like that placed on them. And I
1:06:18
Speaker 1: felt like that was my mother and my father, and
1:06:21
Speaker 1: I felt like those were the values that were instilled
1:06:23
Speaker 1: in me. So I could relate so much to that.
1:06:25
Speaker 1: And I could also relate to raising up and in
1:06:28
Speaker 1: the scrutiny of the church and how some of that feels,
1:06:31
Speaker 1: and how you're trying to find your voice for me,
1:06:33
Speaker 1: particularly as a creative artist. So I feel like the
1:06:37
Speaker 1: way that I was raised and my family and my
1:06:40
Speaker 1: heritage had a big part of me wanting to tell
1:06:42
Speaker 1: this story and to be involved in this project. Well,
1:06:45
Speaker 1: it's interesting because you see a lot of things on
1:06:48
Speaker 1: TV and I would I could never do that because
1:06:50
Speaker 1: it was it was written with a certain level of sensibility.
1:06:53
Speaker 1: And uh, and you know I believe in God, but
1:06:55
Speaker 1: not to the way that you've lived a godly life,
1:06:59
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, raised in the church, father, minister.
1:07:03
Speaker 1: You know you became an ordained minister, but still have
1:07:06
Speaker 1: everyday life. I wasn't always living a godly life. Come on, ye, menister,
1:07:16
Speaker 1: we can't go like that now, we can't go like that.
1:07:17
Speaker 1: We can't go like that. Got to tell you you
1:07:20
Speaker 1: gotta stay not part of my That's why I pay
1:07:25
Speaker 1: the Lord come here. When I'm just saying, is that
1:07:29
Speaker 1: you just jumped out this? Can you ken you let
1:07:31
Speaker 1: me just do my show a little bit? Can you?
1:07:33
Speaker 1: Can you just let me lavish praise only because I'm
1:07:36
Speaker 1: just saying you have a shaped life, you know, whereas
1:07:40
Speaker 1: you know you have the title of ordained minister. And
1:07:43
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to That's why I wanted to
1:07:45
Speaker 1: start with a straight out of Compton store, you know, say,
1:07:48
Speaker 1: so we can shape you are because a lot of
1:07:50
Speaker 1: people don't understand how you get to these places. That's
1:07:52
Speaker 1: why I want to bring up John Singleton in a minute,
1:07:54
Speaker 1: because see, these all these things shape you to be
1:07:57
Speaker 1: able to tell a story. Like you said, we're watching
1:07:59
Speaker 1: this movie, this amazing movie, because I Cure shared on
1:08:02
Speaker 1: it and they let me see the movie prior to
1:08:04
Speaker 1: the premiering on the Lifetime. So I was like, all in,
1:08:08
Speaker 1: I couldn't even wait to talk to her about it,
1:08:10
Speaker 1: you know. And then so so when the air, I
1:08:13
Speaker 1: was telling, watch watch this movie was amazing, This move
1:08:16
Speaker 1: was amazing. Because the reason I say that because you
1:08:19
Speaker 1: know here the clock sisters, and then you talk about
1:08:22
Speaker 1: chell I wasn't always like ordained because in this movie,
1:08:26
Speaker 1: it wasn't a goodie two shoe story. Okay, it showed
1:08:30
Speaker 1: some dark sides. And so that is why I have
1:08:35
Speaker 1: to tell people, well, how did she? Why was she
1:08:37
Speaker 1: able to pull it out? Because look at who she is.
1:08:40
Speaker 1: She she's a black woman, blew up in a black community,
1:08:44
Speaker 1: not not a not with a bad that the world
1:08:47
Speaker 1: saw a different way than she lived it. She went
1:08:50
Speaker 1: to a white environment educating that process. And so you
1:08:54
Speaker 1: walk so many different lanes. And because you walk so
1:08:57
Speaker 1: many different lanes, it allows you to say, can I
1:08:59
Speaker 1: tell on his story here? Because they could have sugar
1:09:02
Speaker 1: coated a lot of things. Mama Clark, she could have
1:09:05
Speaker 1: been like a cool lady, you know. But she was.
1:09:07
Speaker 1: She was a tough you know. And I told kid
1:09:10
Speaker 1: who just said kids, she was kind of tyrannical to me.
1:09:13
Speaker 1: She wasn't tyrannical. Hey, I'm just saying, you know, she's
1:09:16
Speaker 1: pretty dominant, you know. You know, I was. I was
1:09:21
Speaker 1: lamely there when I saw I saw a dominating person.
1:09:23
Speaker 1: You know, this woman said, this woman said, home girl,
1:09:27
Speaker 1: she couldn't even have a life. She had a driver,
1:09:29
Speaker 1: mama everywhere and so so. But this was part of
1:09:31
Speaker 1: the story. The grandfather of the father of their of them,
1:09:36
Speaker 1: of the Clark's sisters were he was, you know, physically
1:09:39
Speaker 1: abused as mama. So that stuff could have been left out.
1:09:44
Speaker 1: But y'all told a real story. That's why I loved it.
1:09:48
Speaker 1: And it's it's a blessing that you had the ability
1:09:51
Speaker 1: to craft the story and then co write the story.
1:09:54
Speaker 1: That's a journey in itself, isn't it. Yes, so much
1:09:58
Speaker 1: a journey and of a worthy journey and a journey
1:10:01
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for to be a part of that experience.
1:10:04
Speaker 1: And I had to dig in the deepest part of
1:10:06
Speaker 1: myself to help tell that story. Now, let me ask
1:10:09
Speaker 1: you this in the in the process of telling the
1:10:11
Speaker 1: honest story, and you know, we all know this is
1:10:13
Speaker 1: as honest as it gonna get. Were there any pushback
1:10:16
Speaker 1: on certain storylines that were developed they weren't flattering or
1:10:21
Speaker 1: are there any pushback? Yeah, there was no pushback. The
1:10:24
Speaker 1: card sisters were very open and very vulnerable and wanted
1:10:28
Speaker 1: the truth to be told. I would say that there
1:10:31
Speaker 1: were certain things that we wanted to do more nuanced.
1:10:34
Speaker 1: Like you'll notice when the scene between Maddie and her husband,
1:10:39
Speaker 1: you don't see the violence on screen, it's behind the
1:10:43
Speaker 1: closed doors, and that was an adjustment to bring more
1:10:47
Speaker 1: nuanced so you don't necessarily have to see it, but
1:10:50
Speaker 1: you know what's happening. And that's how some of the
1:10:54
Speaker 1: younger daughters experienced, you know, some of the drama that
1:11:00
Speaker 1: was going on in the household. So um, yeah, I
1:11:05
Speaker 1: think little changes like that can sometimes make the story
1:11:07
Speaker 1: more powerful. Well there's that's old school movie teller, you know,
1:11:11
Speaker 1: back in the day. You know, you know, when people
1:11:14
Speaker 1: are about to make love, they just they they faded
1:11:17
Speaker 1: the dark. Then they come back smoking cigarettes. You know
1:11:19
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You free about knew something happened between
1:11:23
Speaker 1: the faith, the dark and the cigarette smoking, and and
1:11:27
Speaker 1: and so I got that, and that's why. And I
1:11:29
Speaker 1: felt that that's the only way you should tell this story,
1:11:31
Speaker 1: because if you went any darker, that's a different story.
1:11:35
Speaker 1: The stories about this mom who's on a mission, a
1:11:39
Speaker 1: godly mission, you know, to to to empower her daughter
1:11:43
Speaker 1: because you say, look at you, guys are not gonna
1:11:45
Speaker 1: be cooks and maids. She was passionate about that from
1:11:50
Speaker 1: her daughters. And I'm talking about my friend Camille Tucker,
1:11:53
Speaker 1: you know, amazing writer. The hit movie on Lifetime. It
1:11:57
Speaker 1: will be real. We're gonna talk about that. And then
1:11:58
Speaker 1: the Clark's Sisters, the First Ladies of Gospel. The Family
1:12:03
Speaker 1: was the highest radio original movie the year across all networks,
1:12:06
Speaker 1: with the viewership of two points seven million Lifetime. It's happy,
1:12:10
Speaker 1: very happy. And now it's up to what I'm saying.
1:12:13
Speaker 1: She won't let me get none of my facts. I'm
1:12:16
Speaker 1: just so tired of you came here. You're just gonna
1:12:18
Speaker 1: just take all my little thunder hunt. The thing about
1:12:20
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell the movie, um, but it
1:12:25
Speaker 1: was compelling. I didn't know where the story is gonna go.
1:12:29
Speaker 1: The fact that they were from Detroit and the heart
1:12:33
Speaker 1: of the Motown era. And their mom said, no, you're
1:12:37
Speaker 1: doing gospel. And they could all blow. They could blow.
1:12:43
Speaker 1: They were attractive and could blow. Lets me know that
1:12:47
Speaker 1: they were in Jackson five was just eating up the
1:12:49
Speaker 1: airwave radio waves, and but she was on the mission.
1:12:53
Speaker 1: Can you can you give us an insight that, uh
1:12:56
Speaker 1: what what what made the Clark system besides being talented?
1:12:59
Speaker 1: What made them sick? Yeah? Thank you. Um. First of all,
1:13:04
Speaker 1: I just want to also give honor to the beautiful queens,
1:13:06
Speaker 1: the Clark sisters, and thank them for their life and
1:13:08
Speaker 1: their legacy to tell the story. But you know, there's
1:13:11
Speaker 1: a key line that U Dr. Mattie Mosk parks that
1:13:13
Speaker 1: she says, I'm gonna make the stars for Jesus, and
1:13:16
Speaker 1: so she was determined that they stayed in the church.
1:13:19
Speaker 1: But I think two things are very interesting. Number One,
1:13:23
Speaker 1: they call it one voice in the movie. At one
1:13:25
Speaker 1: point we will kind of toying around with the phrase
1:13:28
Speaker 1: family blend. And those sisters are annointed because their voices
1:13:33
Speaker 1: are all sound like one voice, and their blend is perfect.
1:13:39
Speaker 1: And I think that there's something that happened with families,
1:13:41
Speaker 1: like God does something magical in the DNA that you know,
1:13:45
Speaker 1: one thing's first topprount all the other things second toppronto
1:13:48
Speaker 1: the other one things out till the other one's contract
1:13:50
Speaker 1: outside the other one's tenor how do you get each
1:13:53
Speaker 1: daughter has that different range? How do you you don't
1:13:56
Speaker 1: plan that? So that is like as something thing to me,
1:14:00
Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the reasons that they
1:14:02
Speaker 1: are so successful because of that family blend. It sounds
1:14:06
Speaker 1: like honey, it sounds like their voices are coming down
1:14:09
Speaker 1: from heaven and then the other thing. In addition to
1:14:13
Speaker 1: all of them having a very unique gift that blends together,
1:14:16
Speaker 1: Twinkies musical writing genius is huge. See. The thing about
1:14:22
Speaker 1: Twinkie is she studied musical theory and she combined different
1:14:26
Speaker 1: genres and we saw that with You Brought the Sunshine,
1:14:29
Speaker 1: But she was doing that all the time. She'd be like,
1:14:31
Speaker 1: I want to yeah, I want some reggae, the R
1:14:34
Speaker 1: and B. I want some gospel, and she mixed them
1:14:36
Speaker 1: together and come up with songs. And that was I
1:14:40
Speaker 1: think big in terms of people being like, this is unique,
1:14:43
Speaker 1: this is fresh. So I think that was a big
1:14:46
Speaker 1: part of it too. Well, you know, it really was.
1:14:48
Speaker 1: I think that she wrote over two songs. I believe
1:14:51
Speaker 1: that was one of things. Yea, at the end of
1:14:53
Speaker 1: the movie, it was you know that. The thing about
1:14:56
Speaker 1: it is that you know and watching and you know
1:14:59
Speaker 1: you gotta watch the movie. Will they don't all turn
1:15:01
Speaker 1: out good for all clocks sisters, you know, you know that,
1:15:05
Speaker 1: And that's and that's a that's a point that I
1:15:07
Speaker 1: think that one could have a vision and a focus
1:15:12
Speaker 1: and said this is what I think you should do.
1:15:13
Speaker 1: But everybody wants to live their own lives and sometimes
1:15:17
Speaker 1: and when you do that, you see that in the
1:15:19
Speaker 1: groups break up. I was looking at the Kiss, The Kiss,
1:15:22
Speaker 1: Break Your Break another band, you know, they were talking
1:15:25
Speaker 1: about how Jean and he stayed and the other two
1:15:27
Speaker 1: went that went away and so then they wanted to
1:15:29
Speaker 1: come back. And so it's like a lot of people.
1:15:32
Speaker 1: What my biggest takeaway was that the reason that Clarks
1:15:35
Speaker 1: are very successful. Yes, the mom was very driven, okay,
1:15:38
Speaker 1: but the daughters were willing to work hard, they were
1:15:42
Speaker 1: willing to find that one note that you're talking about
1:15:45
Speaker 1: one note, and they were willing to drive her everywhere.
1:15:50
Speaker 1: But the other thing that came out of is that
1:15:52
Speaker 1: she was a female in a very very male dominated world. Yes, absolutely,
1:16:01
Speaker 1: And it showed itself a couple of times when when
1:16:03
Speaker 1: you were dealing with the record deal as a promoter, okay,
1:16:07
Speaker 1: because she was booking their dates and then the church, Yes,
1:16:12
Speaker 1: how did how did that play a role in your storytelling?
1:16:16
Speaker 1: It was so important to me because I did not
1:16:19
Speaker 1: know really as much about Dr Naddie Moles Clark before
1:16:22
Speaker 1: I started on this project, and I felt like, we
1:16:25
Speaker 1: have these unsung heroes and here siroes and heroines, and
1:16:30
Speaker 1: I felt like she was someone so critical in such
1:16:33
Speaker 1: a trailblazer for that time that a lot of people
1:16:36
Speaker 1: didn't know about. And I felt challenged and I felt
1:16:40
Speaker 1: hon it, like I want the people to know about
1:16:42
Speaker 1: this woman who was um really kind of bucking the standard,
1:16:47
Speaker 1: and I believe helped bring about change in the Church
1:16:51
Speaker 1: of God in Christ. I feel like some of the
1:16:54
Speaker 1: way that the Church of God in Christ is now,
1:16:56
Speaker 1: whereas you can see the Clark's sisters being able to
1:17:00
Speaker 1: off different platforms, go into you know, seeing in the
1:17:03
Speaker 1: secular arenas, or go to essencest or whatever, wear pants
1:17:07
Speaker 1: and things like that, we have to give a tribute
1:17:10
Speaker 1: to going with I think the Cork this is we're
1:17:12
Speaker 1: the ones that helped forwards that path, you know, and
1:17:15
Speaker 1: Dr Maddie Moss Clark helped forwards that path. So I
1:17:19
Speaker 1: see her as someone just like how we um and
1:17:22
Speaker 1: I don't want to like compare important to people, but
1:17:24
Speaker 1: we give tribute to like Harriet Tubman or we said
1:17:26
Speaker 1: she was a great woman in history and she helped
1:17:28
Speaker 1: change things. And I feel like Dr Maddie Moss Clark too,
1:17:32
Speaker 1: and also having her doctorate music and everything. So I
1:17:36
Speaker 1: look at that and I'm like, thank you for women
1:17:39
Speaker 1: like that who had the courage that opened opportunities for
1:17:42
Speaker 1: women like me today and other women whether they're singers,
1:17:45
Speaker 1: artists or have you. Um. Yeah, And it's fascinating to me. Well,
1:17:50
Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was important for you know,
1:17:52
Speaker 1: for you what you're articulating is very important. But I
1:17:55
Speaker 1: view what they accomplished and still accomplishing the day was
1:18:00
Speaker 1: the gospel version of what Destiny Child became. Yeah, you know,
1:18:06
Speaker 1: you know, because an amazing breakthrough because that's the child
1:18:11
Speaker 1: that was an industry dominated by whites. Okay, what they did,
1:18:14
Speaker 1: you know, it became a pop powerhouse, powerhouse and we
1:18:21
Speaker 1: know that, you know, gospel music at that time was
1:18:24
Speaker 1: just dominated by the ministers and man dominated that sound
1:18:28
Speaker 1: and then you but and that's what that what that
1:18:30
Speaker 1: what made her so driven in that scene that she
1:18:32
Speaker 1: talks to the church and they you know, like I said,
1:18:35
Speaker 1: the cool thing is that when I'm telling you this story,
1:18:38
Speaker 1: I'm telling you about a journey, and there's a journey
1:18:41
Speaker 1: from you know, when the first thoughts, and it carries
1:18:46
Speaker 1: through the ups and downs, the pains of success, the
1:18:50
Speaker 1: unexpected loads of success because you know, when you because
1:18:54
Speaker 1: you know we're doing the journey of success, you expected
1:18:56
Speaker 1: to just be uppardly, just go skyrocket, but it does
1:19:00
Speaker 1: just for somehow you guys able to just to show
1:19:03
Speaker 1: their their relationships with the when you know, because because
1:19:07
Speaker 1: what what what what? Marm Ma Clarke didn't bet on
1:19:13
Speaker 1: the outside relationship tearing a group of part in her eyes.
1:19:16
Speaker 1: You know, these girls to become women, and women eventually
1:19:20
Speaker 1: gonna meet men, and men are gonna have to have
1:19:23
Speaker 1: decisions with the women of the wives and all this stuff.
1:19:26
Speaker 1: That's what she didn't prepare for. And that really was
1:19:29
Speaker 1: the her most humbling part of how to deal with
1:19:32
Speaker 1: that and come to grips with that. And I thought
1:19:35
Speaker 1: you guys did a very good job of that in
1:19:37
Speaker 1: your storytelling. Yeah, thank you. And I know one of
1:19:40
Speaker 1: the scenes that like I'm hearing feedback from people, the
1:19:45
Speaker 1: scene with Tweinkie and her new husband and how it
1:19:49
Speaker 1: was related to us, And that's the scene that's really
1:19:51
Speaker 1: getting a lot of people. Um, and that's a pretty
1:19:55
Speaker 1: powerful scene. There's several things in that film that are
1:19:57
Speaker 1: just like outside the Church powerful on John Terrell and
1:20:04
Speaker 1: and Mama and Dr Maddi, my Park. You know, y'all
1:20:07
Speaker 1: had yea plenty powerful seasons. Don't underserve yourself. You know.
1:20:12
Speaker 1: It was so many act break act, break at break,
1:20:15
Speaker 1: go to commercial. It was so many great scenes. And
1:20:18
Speaker 1: I'm just happy I got to see it just straight through,
1:20:21
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because it's just so amazing moment.
1:20:23
Speaker 1: But I also want to point out this is that
1:20:25
Speaker 1: it was a note that it was so many stars
1:20:28
Speaker 1: in social media that got on board with this project.
1:20:31
Speaker 1: To Roger p Henson, Man, Tyler Perry, Mariah Carey, you know,
1:20:36
Speaker 1: able do an age, Janet Jackson, so many people just
1:20:41
Speaker 1: said watts for so many different genres. How did that
1:20:44
Speaker 1: make you feel? This is your little project? You started
1:20:47
Speaker 1: in two thousand five. This is the Clarkson is on lifetime.
1:20:50
Speaker 1: We all pray for a big moment. We always say, hey, man,
1:20:53
Speaker 1: this can be the one. But when you start seeing
1:20:55
Speaker 1: these media posts, because I know what he can do,
1:20:57
Speaker 1: because that's that's what happened to me on think like
1:20:59
Speaker 1: a man in the first movie, because every p did
1:21:02
Speaker 1: you know, Dwayne Wade, you know Kevin Hard of course,
1:21:06
Speaker 1: all these people were just posted and left it right,
1:21:08
Speaker 1: and that we made thirty three million dollars. I'll open
1:21:11
Speaker 1: the weekend, so I know what happens when you when
1:21:14
Speaker 1: you push a brand, and this guy pushed so much
1:21:18
Speaker 1: in social media, and like you said, it's like you said,
1:21:21
Speaker 1: it's a leven million now viewers, now, okay, yeah, you
1:21:25
Speaker 1: know yeah the two point seven the first night, I
1:21:28
Speaker 1: calculated that if it was a theatrical eleast would have
1:21:31
Speaker 1: been forty three million dollars, which is amazing. But it
1:21:35
Speaker 1: feels I feel blessed, I feel humble. I feel I'm
1:21:38
Speaker 1: still processing it. Rashaun honestly, because Lebron James had Danna Box,
1:21:43
Speaker 1: Mariah carry Janet Jackson, and I'm really still Priscilla Share,
1:21:49
Speaker 1: Martha Manuzie and I'm still just like God, you know,
1:21:53
Speaker 1: thank you, Like I'm really just my heart is full
1:21:57
Speaker 1: and opportunities are opening up, and I'm very excited. It's about,
1:22:01
Speaker 1: you know, just just being able to be in this place.
1:22:04
Speaker 1: I don't think any of we thought that people would connect,
1:22:07
Speaker 1: but this means really connected with an audience. Absolutely, and
1:22:11
Speaker 1: I'd be remiss. I know we're wrapping up, but I
1:22:13
Speaker 1: want to talk about John Singleton. Uh, he was your
1:22:16
Speaker 1: mentor and uh and we all know, you know what
1:22:20
Speaker 1: he's done in this business and and uh, you know,
1:22:24
Speaker 1: when you start talking about black directors, male directors, you know,
1:22:27
Speaker 1: Spike Lee, John Singleton, you know, they broke the ground
1:22:32
Speaker 1: for us. They broke the ground for us and doing
1:22:35
Speaker 1: in different ways, doing it their way. So tell me
1:22:37
Speaker 1: how did you create a relationship with get your relationship started,
1:22:40
Speaker 1: and how did he impact who you are becoming and
1:22:43
Speaker 1: how he helped you along the way. I met John
1:22:47
Speaker 1: when we were both in college. Actually he was at
1:22:50
Speaker 1: USC and I was at U c l A. But
1:22:52
Speaker 1: he was at my Crosstown rival, and he was directing
1:22:56
Speaker 1: a music video actually and I was in the video.
1:22:59
Speaker 1: And that's how it is met. And after we both
1:23:03
Speaker 1: graduated and started affording our pass as filmmakers. He came
1:23:07
Speaker 1: to me and my former writing partner one day about
1:23:09
Speaker 1: a script called gold Diggs, and we ended up writing
1:23:12
Speaker 1: it together and selling it to Universal. It didn't get made,
1:23:16
Speaker 1: but during that process, the thing that I learned most
1:23:18
Speaker 1: from John is about craftsmanship. He would sit and watch
1:23:23
Speaker 1: movies with me and walk me through, frame by frame,
1:23:26
Speaker 1: what was going on in the film, what the filmmaker
1:23:29
Speaker 1: was doing, and taught me about about cinematic language. And
1:23:34
Speaker 1: I will always be grateful for him for that, because
1:23:37
Speaker 1: I think we have to be artists and we also
1:23:40
Speaker 1: have to be business people, which is part of what
1:23:42
Speaker 1: you talk about with money matters, um, But on the
1:23:46
Speaker 1: artist side, that really opened up my world to see
1:23:49
Speaker 1: that cinematic language and to try to take that into
1:23:52
Speaker 1: every project that I do. UM And he was a
1:23:56
Speaker 1: cinematic brilliant director, and I see the same thing in
1:23:59
Speaker 1: Chris seeing Swanson who directed The Card Sisters. You know,
1:24:03
Speaker 1: that's what makes the difference when we see a film
1:24:05
Speaker 1: like every frame is so beautifully shot and a part
1:24:09
Speaker 1: of telling the story, and that's what really motivates me
1:24:14
Speaker 1: to continue to be a storyteller. Like that Camille. You know,
1:24:18
Speaker 1: this is a one big moment. There's one big on
1:24:20
Speaker 1: your resume. What's what's what's next for you? What? What's what?
1:24:23
Speaker 1: What do we got looking in the future for you?
1:24:26
Speaker 1: I have an inspirational romantic comedy called Blessed in the City,
1:24:31
Speaker 1: which is based on my real life. And I would
1:24:34
Speaker 1: say it's the Woman of Faith version of Sex and
1:24:38
Speaker 1: the City. So in the City they were having a
1:24:41
Speaker 1: lot of sex, and in my movie they aren't having
1:24:43
Speaker 1: a lot of Right. It's about dating sexually, absinuently in dating,
1:24:50
Speaker 1: and seeking God in your relationships. I also have a
1:24:53
Speaker 1: project called The Kennedy's The Compton, which is a TV
1:24:56
Speaker 1: pilot and it's about a black political family in Conston, California. Him. Wow, Well,
1:25:02
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm a fan, and you know I
1:25:04
Speaker 1: direct I direct message you and say hey, will you
1:25:06
Speaker 1: do my show? And you said, Reshan, They've already contacted me,
1:25:09
Speaker 1: so made me look bad. I thought about the you know,
1:25:12
Speaker 1: slide on it, act like I'm doing some big dogg is,
1:25:15
Speaker 1: you know not, They've already contacted I'm gonna do the show.
1:25:17
Speaker 1: What I'm a fan and and know that anything you
1:25:20
Speaker 1: do Blessed in the city. Come out. Please know you
1:25:23
Speaker 1: can come here first or something other project that you're doing.
1:25:25
Speaker 1: But thank you, congratulations. This is a fantastic movie I've
1:25:30
Speaker 1: been putting. I put a banner in my fan club,
1:25:33
Speaker 1: went out to ninety thousand people last weekend. I like
1:25:36
Speaker 1: to believe I'm contributing to those millions that are watching
1:25:39
Speaker 1: it social media posted uh on my other platforms other
1:25:43
Speaker 1: than LinkedIn, So cam here, I'm doing my part. I'm
1:25:46
Speaker 1: doing my part. I might not be jan I might
1:25:48
Speaker 1: not be Tyler Perry, I might not be able, I
1:25:52
Speaker 1: might not be I'm just ra Sean McDonald and moneymaking conversations. Girl,
1:25:57
Speaker 1: bless you, bless you, bless you so much. You're a
1:26:01
Speaker 1: dynamic man and a great role model and friend. I
1:26:03
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you, and come on, come on that
1:26:08
Speaker 1: girl right there. You know. So it's really nice that
1:26:13
Speaker 1: when I when I when you, when I look at
1:26:15
Speaker 1: my life and I feel you you're part of my life.
1:26:18
Speaker 1: And I look at people like sharing and so many
1:26:20
Speaker 1: other people who shaped me and and have supported me.
1:26:22
Speaker 1: And because all my people look at my life, they
1:26:25
Speaker 1: look at the outside of my life. They don't look
1:26:28
Speaker 1: at how got there. The down moments in my life
1:26:30
Speaker 1: and people like sharing McGee's of the World, the Felicia
1:26:34
Speaker 1: Henderson's of the World, Sarah f Anny Johnson to the world.
1:26:37
Speaker 1: These people have always been there from a female side
1:26:40
Speaker 1: that have always I couldn't believe how talented I was,
1:26:43
Speaker 1: and couldn't believe how crazy I was. But when it
1:26:45
Speaker 1: when going, when all the craziness was taken over and
1:26:48
Speaker 1: I need to support, they were there for me. So
1:26:51
Speaker 1: I consider that relationship I'm gonna have with you. Came here,
1:26:54
Speaker 1: You're now one of my sisters. Okay, thank you, thank
1:26:58
Speaker 1: you so much for the inner view, my friend. Okay,
1:27:04
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1:27:08
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1:28:35
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1:29:04
Speaker 1: guest is a mental health advocate and the founder of
1:29:07
Speaker 1: Silence the Shame, is a nonprofit organization that focuses on
1:29:11
Speaker 1: education and awareness around mental health. Before she found it
1:29:15
Speaker 1: Silence the Shame, she worked in the entertainment business for
1:29:18
Speaker 1: over twenty five years, where she worked directly with some
1:29:21
Speaker 1: of the music business top talent like Outcast, Ussher, Prince, TLC,
1:29:26
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton, Erica Barney and excuse Me, Erica Bardou and
1:29:30
Speaker 1: many more. She has no show today to talk about
1:29:32
Speaker 1: and share her journey with her own emotional health and
1:29:35
Speaker 1: wellness that she wants to help change the world and
1:29:38
Speaker 1: make it make it, make people understand the struggle with
1:29:40
Speaker 1: something that we all can help and make this global
1:29:43
Speaker 1: movement something that everybody should have been be a part of.
1:29:46
Speaker 1: Please work on the money making conversations. The founder of
1:29:49
Speaker 1: Silence the Shame Shanty Dos Hello, Sean, how you know
1:29:55
Speaker 1: miss Dos dos Effects? And she said Effects, Well, you
1:30:02
Speaker 1: got that the cool name though, you know people are
1:30:05
Speaker 1: a little rapper name, little rapper name. I go, they're
1:30:08
Speaker 1: wrapping up the game and mental health and mental health advocate,
1:30:11
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, thank you for coming on
1:30:14
Speaker 1: the show. And now when this when this interview was
1:30:16
Speaker 1: brought to me, um, because I felt it was important
1:30:19
Speaker 1: that I made time and got it into my schedule,
1:30:22
Speaker 1: because I had to move some things around. Because within
1:30:24
Speaker 1: the black community, though the community of color, you know,
1:30:27
Speaker 1: we always the last to admit. Were we last admit
1:30:31
Speaker 1: That's why we always pop up on HIV, were always
1:30:34
Speaker 1: popped up on poverty, were always right Now with the pandemic,
1:30:37
Speaker 1: we're losing lives faster, and the color community and anyway,
1:30:41
Speaker 1: because we in the gay community, we want to acknowledge that.
1:30:45
Speaker 1: And so especially when you talk about mental health, that's
1:30:49
Speaker 1: another leg of the information length pipeline that we want
1:30:52
Speaker 1: to like ignore that it's important that we accept and
1:30:55
Speaker 1: get it to the responsibility of that. Tell us about
1:30:57
Speaker 1: your journey. This is a long interview, but I want
1:31:00
Speaker 1: you just start telling us about the journey where you
1:31:02
Speaker 1: had to open up and and and and about your head.
1:31:05
Speaker 1: It's it's depression, right, yes, yes, yeah, talk about that.
1:31:10
Speaker 1: So so Rashan, first of all, thank you for having
1:31:13
Speaker 1: me on the show. And and what you're saying is
1:31:15
Speaker 1: it's a hundred percent right. Oftentimes in the African American community,
1:31:18
Speaker 1: were the last one to talk about it. We don't
1:31:20
Speaker 1: address it. Before I share a little bit about my journey,
1:31:23
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you a quick statistic. African Americans are
1:31:28
Speaker 1: more likely to have more serious psychological distress and white adults,
1:31:32
Speaker 1: and our African American teenagers are more likely to attempt
1:31:37
Speaker 1: suicide than white teenagers at eight point three percent versus
1:31:41
Speaker 1: six point two percent. So, Rashwan, I grew up, you know,
1:31:44
Speaker 1: in African American culture. Obviously, my mom's black. My dad
1:31:47
Speaker 1: was actually Indian, but he took his own life when
1:31:49
Speaker 1: we were when I was seven months old, and so
1:31:51
Speaker 1: he left my mom and my two siblings and I.
1:31:54
Speaker 1: We never went to council and we didn't talk about
1:31:57
Speaker 1: it as a family. The fast forward, I have this
1:31:59
Speaker 1: great career year in music, but I had all this
1:32:02
Speaker 1: trauma built up from my childhood that I had never addressed.
1:32:05
Speaker 1: So when I started dealing with my own high levels
1:32:08
Speaker 1: of stress and anxiety, it then turned into depression and
1:32:11
Speaker 1: I finally went to counseling in my thirties to try
1:32:14
Speaker 1: to deal with this UM. But I did not stick
1:32:17
Speaker 1: with counseling one because I don't know working in the
1:32:19
Speaker 1: music industry, I thought if I was shaping the careers
1:32:22
Speaker 1: of all this artists, I didn't meant nobody to fix me, right,
1:32:24
Speaker 1: I could do it myself. It was my ego. But
1:32:27
Speaker 1: but that was wrong, and I wish I would have
1:32:29
Speaker 1: done counseling UM more consistently back in the day. And
1:32:33
Speaker 1: so fast forward to uh the year teen, my best
1:32:37
Speaker 1: friend took her own life and I blamed myself for
1:32:40
Speaker 1: her suicide. And then in two Rashawn I came really
1:32:43
Speaker 1: close to taking my own life. I had just kind
1:32:45
Speaker 1: of gone into a downward spiral. My mother had Alzheimer's,
1:32:48
Speaker 1: I had some health issues, I had some financial struggles
1:32:51
Speaker 1: I was going through, and it just kind of all
1:32:52
Speaker 1: came to a head. And that's why I started silence
1:32:55
Speaker 1: a shame, so that I could one get my own
1:32:58
Speaker 1: help and help other people, UM to really focus on
1:33:01
Speaker 1: their mental health. What exactly is depression? I guess that's
1:33:04
Speaker 1: the courtion. I need that because that a lot of
1:33:06
Speaker 1: us to understand if we if we have some of
1:33:09
Speaker 1: the qualities that we should be aware of. So in
1:33:14
Speaker 1: terms of some of the symptoms of depression, you know,
1:33:18
Speaker 1: I like to say, um that it really depends on
1:33:21
Speaker 1: your overall behavioral patterns. That's why oftentimes you hear people
1:33:25
Speaker 1: refer to it as behavioral health as opposed to mental health. Now,
1:33:30
Speaker 1: some of the symptoms can be feeling sad or having
1:33:32
Speaker 1: a depressed mood, loss of interest or pleasure in activities
1:33:36
Speaker 1: that you once enjoy, um, changing appetite, weight loss or
1:33:40
Speaker 1: gain unrelated to dieting where you can't really put your
1:33:42
Speaker 1: finger on while you're losing so much weight. UM, if
1:33:45
Speaker 1: you're having too much trouble sleeping at night, if you're
1:33:47
Speaker 1: feeling worthless or guilty. Because like for me, Rashawn, I
1:33:50
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, maybe God was done with me.
1:33:53
Speaker 1: You know, maybe you know, everything that I needed to
1:33:55
Speaker 1: do on this earth was done. So I had prolonged
1:33:58
Speaker 1: feelings of hopelessness. Um, I didn't really want to hang
1:34:01
Speaker 1: out with friends anymore. I didn't even want to wake
1:34:03
Speaker 1: up honestly and open the blinds in the morning. And
1:34:06
Speaker 1: I also started using, um, you know, alcohol sometimes as
1:34:10
Speaker 1: a coping mechanism, which we know is a natural depressant.
1:34:14
Speaker 1: And so some of those social drinks you know, started
1:34:17
Speaker 1: making me feel even more depressed. And so I just
1:34:19
Speaker 1: did not have any healthy coping mechanisms. And of course
1:34:22
Speaker 1: stops of suicide or death is an obvious sign of depression. Well,
1:34:26
Speaker 1: you know the thing about it is that let's let's
1:34:28
Speaker 1: talk about your journey, because see, sometimes when we just
1:34:31
Speaker 1: on a mission and our goals or just to get
1:34:34
Speaker 1: to a certain place, because you went from an intern
1:34:36
Speaker 1: to executive VP, and including positions at Capital Records, the
1:34:39
Speaker 1: Face Records, Columbia Records, Sony Urban Music, and Universal Motil.
1:34:44
Speaker 1: So these are not these are these These are what
1:34:46
Speaker 1: they're called top of the food chain opportunities and so
1:34:50
Speaker 1: and so when you when you're grinding, you can't ignore
1:34:53
Speaker 1: you can't ignore symptoms because you said, I'm on a mission.
1:34:56
Speaker 1: Let me just that's not important to me right now.
1:34:59
Speaker 1: So when did start being important to you to understand
1:35:02
Speaker 1: what was going on in your personal life? Because I'm
1:35:04
Speaker 1: sure these depression or anxiety symptoms as affected your relationship
1:35:09
Speaker 1: not only personally but business right as well eventually? Right?
1:35:13
Speaker 1: Oh sure, So I think the first time Rashaun, that
1:35:15
Speaker 1: I probably recognized that I might have um an issue
1:35:19
Speaker 1: going on personally was in two thousand one. It was
1:35:21
Speaker 1: when um Face Records, baby Face in l A sold
1:35:24
Speaker 1: the company UM to b MG, and so l A
1:35:26
Speaker 1: read moved to New York to replace Clive Day. That's
1:35:29
Speaker 1: an ares the records, and so I was in more
1:35:32
Speaker 1: of a corporate setting. It was a high stressed environment.
1:35:35
Speaker 1: You know how it is when one regime comes and
1:35:37
Speaker 1: there's another regime, uncertainty, a little uncertainty and friction, and
1:35:42
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to dock for their position. So you know,
1:35:44
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to run to l A with all
1:35:46
Speaker 1: my problems and issues, but I didn't have an outlet,
1:35:49
Speaker 1: and I didn't even recognize that I could have reached
1:35:51
Speaker 1: out to HR to find you know, UM any sort
1:35:54
Speaker 1: of resources um from a therapy perspective. And so I
1:35:57
Speaker 1: remember one day I was so frustrated and I was
1:36:00
Speaker 1: on the phone with my sister and my boyfriend and
1:36:03
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I can't really take this pressure anymore.
1:36:05
Speaker 1: I don't know how to handle it. Maybe I should
1:36:06
Speaker 1: just kill myself. That scared me to death, Rashawn, because
1:36:10
Speaker 1: you know, I did not have a plan at that time,
1:36:13
Speaker 1: but the fact that I even uttered those words, and
1:36:15
Speaker 1: it was something that my dad had actually done. It
1:36:17
Speaker 1: really terrified me, and my sister was like, well, first
1:36:20
Speaker 1: of all, we're gonna get through this, even she got
1:36:23
Speaker 1: something down down, We're gonna deal with this. But second
1:36:28
Speaker 1: of all, you gotta go to therapy. When shortly there
1:36:31
Speaker 1: after Rashawn I went to therapy and addressed the issue
1:36:35
Speaker 1: of my father's suicide because I never wanted to even
1:36:38
Speaker 1: utter those words. So I think that was probably the
1:36:40
Speaker 1: first time in my early thirties when I started addressing
1:36:43
Speaker 1: emotional health and wellness in the right way. We're speaking
1:36:46
Speaker 1: to Shunti doss uh. I would say her name is
1:36:49
Speaker 1: like a rapper, you know, but she's an advocate of
1:36:51
Speaker 1: mental health and she's also the founder of Sounds to Shame.
1:36:56
Speaker 1: You know. Really, when I look at my life, I've
1:36:58
Speaker 1: I've always had a pretty intense life, Shanti and so,
1:37:02
Speaker 1: and sometimes it feels like the whole world's on me.
1:37:05
Speaker 1: I have a I have. What has saved me is
1:37:08
Speaker 1: that on my property in Atlanta, have a little lake
1:37:11
Speaker 1: where I can go down and I can just look
1:37:13
Speaker 1: at the world. I always told my wife the water. Yeah,
1:37:16
Speaker 1: the water saves me because just watching those ripples and
1:37:18
Speaker 1: I can see little minnots and fish and frogs jumping around.
1:37:21
Speaker 1: It calms me down and so so it also so
1:37:26
Speaker 1: that's that's an outlet that kind of saves me from
1:37:28
Speaker 1: just going to the next level, because, like you said,
1:37:31
Speaker 1: when people, when you reach a certain portion of certain
1:37:34
Speaker 1: point in your career, especially if your minority, and not
1:37:38
Speaker 1: many people you can go talk to you, and then
1:37:40
Speaker 1: there's not many people you want to show flaws or
1:37:42
Speaker 1: showing weaknesses too, so a lot of times you just
1:37:45
Speaker 1: keep it all on yourself. And so so you gotta
1:37:48
Speaker 1: have that outlet. And I'm just letting you know. My
1:37:50
Speaker 1: outlet for me that saved me was that water. It
1:37:54
Speaker 1: was going down there. I have a giant rock. I
1:37:56
Speaker 1: potentially put that rockets and I want to put a
1:37:58
Speaker 1: big rock so I can sit on this rock whatever.
1:38:00
Speaker 1: I sit down there, if I feel like fishing, it
1:38:02
Speaker 1: just saves me and calls me down. But that's one
1:38:04
Speaker 1: of the principles of being able to deal with anxiety,
1:38:08
Speaker 1: being able to deal with depression mechanisms and and so
1:38:14
Speaker 1: so I so I naturally I'm not saying I'm a
1:38:16
Speaker 1: depressed person. I'm not saying that I have anxiety values
1:38:19
Speaker 1: or symptoms I'm just saying that we all get to
1:38:22
Speaker 1: that point where the world can jump on you. What
1:38:24
Speaker 1: do you go to escape or cope with it? So
1:38:28
Speaker 1: that's that's great. I'm glad you brought up water because
1:38:32
Speaker 1: you know, psychiatrists and therapists have often talked about how
1:38:35
Speaker 1: water in the ocean or even a lake can just
1:38:38
Speaker 1: have a calming effect on your mind because it puts
1:38:40
Speaker 1: you in a just a really you know, mouth state
1:38:44
Speaker 1: of mind and kind of helps to recenter yourself for
1:38:46
Speaker 1: what we like to call those a healthy coping mechanisms
1:38:49
Speaker 1: or forms of self care. There are a lot of
1:38:51
Speaker 1: different things you can do in terms of self care.
1:38:53
Speaker 1: For me, it's like I would like to take a
1:38:55
Speaker 1: walk in the park. You know, I lost my sister
1:38:58
Speaker 1: unexpectedly last year, and so this week was her one
1:39:01
Speaker 1: year anniversary, and so I found myself kind of in
1:39:03
Speaker 1: a way feeling a little anxious. So I just got
1:39:05
Speaker 1: out of the house and went and took a you know,
1:39:07
Speaker 1: one hour walk in the park, and it just made
1:39:09
Speaker 1: me feel so much better. You know. I like the
1:39:12
Speaker 1: nature in the in the trees, and the wind was blowing,
1:39:15
Speaker 1: and it was just a great day for me to
1:39:17
Speaker 1: be out in nature. Other people like to exercise because
1:39:20
Speaker 1: it's been proven scientifically that when you get your endorphins going,
1:39:24
Speaker 1: it actually puts you in a better mood. You feel
1:39:26
Speaker 1: better about yourself. Also having you know, a proper diet,
1:39:29
Speaker 1: because oftentimes there are certain foods that we can eat
1:39:33
Speaker 1: UM that can weigh down on us UM and certain
1:39:35
Speaker 1: fatty foods that can cause us to become depressed depressed,
1:39:39
Speaker 1: So we recommend that you have a healthy diet UM. Also,
1:39:43
Speaker 1: you know, taking naps, getting adequate sleep is extremely important
1:39:47
Speaker 1: and that UM leads to overall health and wellness. So
1:39:50
Speaker 1: it's a lot of different things. And I tell people
1:39:52
Speaker 1: like you like the Lake Rashwan, you gotta do what
1:39:54
Speaker 1: works for you because I like to go take a walk.
1:39:57
Speaker 1: You know, you might not like the walk, but you
1:39:59
Speaker 1: would like to day Zoomba zoom zoomba peloton. Might want
1:40:10
Speaker 1: to you know, log on the club, quarantine whatever it is. Well,
1:40:15
Speaker 1: you know the beauty of this conversation that we're going
1:40:17
Speaker 1: to continue in the next break, I'm trying talking to Shantidas,
1:40:20
Speaker 1: you know, the founder of Silence to Shame. She's creating
1:40:23
Speaker 1: a global movie. We're gonna talk about big event that's
1:40:26
Speaker 1: coming up because May is National Mental Health Month, correct
1:40:29
Speaker 1: and awareness month, and then also she has a big
1:40:31
Speaker 1: guy just say a fundraiser. Uh that's happened in May fifth.
1:40:36
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that the next break. But so
1:40:38
Speaker 1: great to have you on the show because the fact
1:40:40
Speaker 1: that you know a lot of things that are happening
1:40:42
Speaker 1: to people or is very relatable, and we're want to
1:40:44
Speaker 1: talk about some more instances about me personally talking about
1:40:48
Speaker 1: certain things I get in crisis situations and how I
1:40:50
Speaker 1: deal with it. May is Mental Health Awareness Month and
1:40:52
Speaker 1: National Silence the same day is Tuesday, May fifth. That day,
1:40:56
Speaker 1: Silence of Shame will be hosting the Big Texa Thon.
1:40:59
Speaker 1: Why that's important that this Big Texa Thon is happening.
1:41:03
Speaker 1: I know about the awareness, but what what what what
1:41:05
Speaker 1: is being accomplished with the Big Texathon. So we're really
1:41:09
Speaker 1: excited about the texason UM. It allows the Silence of
1:41:13
Speaker 1: Shame to raise funds for UM an increase in our programs,
1:41:17
Speaker 1: resources and scholarship funds that we're putting together. And we
1:41:21
Speaker 1: are also planning to donate a portion of the proceeds
1:41:24
Speaker 1: Rashaan to some UH therapists so that they can provide
1:41:29
Speaker 1: free therapy during the pandemic for some of their clients,
1:41:32
Speaker 1: and that's been a Ruben noticing a lot a lot
1:41:35
Speaker 1: of more mental health experts have been coming on national
1:41:39
Speaker 1: platforms and local platforms because it's a it's a it's
1:41:42
Speaker 1: a stress that it's not normal for everybody I know
1:41:45
Speaker 1: at times that and I'm a guy who's going oriented
1:41:48
Speaker 1: and not sitting around the house and go what I'm
1:41:49
Speaker 1: gonna do? And I've I've had to include I've had
1:41:52
Speaker 1: to include exercise in my life. I had to include
1:41:55
Speaker 1: a put more of a routine. I have to develop
1:41:57
Speaker 1: at home routine to be able to get me through
1:42:00
Speaker 1: the uh, just walking around my yard, h listening to
1:42:04
Speaker 1: music more. These are the things that have like calmed
1:42:07
Speaker 1: me down. I think that's what we're talking about, calming
1:42:09
Speaker 1: your your inner being down, your emotions down so it
1:42:13
Speaker 1: doesn't go spike. And that's what I've been trying to avoid.
1:42:16
Speaker 1: It's just usually natural process. But a lot of people
1:42:18
Speaker 1: don't don't have these techniques worked out like I've worked
1:42:21
Speaker 1: out myself. How can they is there is there is
1:42:24
Speaker 1: there a website they can go to that you guys
1:42:26
Speaker 1: have found It was talked to us about those those
1:42:28
Speaker 1: different techniques. So you know, there are a lot of
1:42:33
Speaker 1: really great resources out there. We um if you go
1:42:37
Speaker 1: onto Silence to Shame dot com and go under how
1:42:40
Speaker 1: to get help or resources. We have organizations that we
1:42:43
Speaker 1: partner with, like NAMI, which is the National Alliance on
1:42:46
Speaker 1: Mental Illness. They have a lot of great resources out there,
1:42:49
Speaker 1: also psychology, Psychology Today, dot com. I'm also reading an
1:42:53
Speaker 1: article on hufbling composts and I just google water and
1:42:56
Speaker 1: the effects of calming and if it's wild water makes
1:42:59
Speaker 1: us feel calm. You know, scientists have really studied showing
1:43:02
Speaker 1: that people who live near the ocean or water report
1:43:05
Speaker 1: feeling less stressed and better health. Um, it's still a mystery,
1:43:09
Speaker 1: I think to psychologists, but we do know that the
1:43:11
Speaker 1: water has common effects, and so you know, it's a
1:43:14
Speaker 1: ton of organizations that can offer different wellness resources. So
1:43:19
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, go onto our website and
1:43:21
Speaker 1: check it out. Well, I will go on your website
1:43:25
Speaker 1: because I can never I can always be educated. Like
1:43:27
Speaker 1: I said, I've just been naturally doing something that And
1:43:31
Speaker 1: I bought the house that I live in intentionally because
1:43:34
Speaker 1: it did have water behind the house, and and it
1:43:37
Speaker 1: was it was moving water, because the water doesn't just
1:43:39
Speaker 1: just stay there. So it really is a lot of
1:43:41
Speaker 1: little things that naturally translate into calming me down. And
1:43:44
Speaker 1: when you're looking at when when you're in a business
1:43:46
Speaker 1: and I'm an African American male and I'm in a
1:43:48
Speaker 1: business where you know, deals are big representing talent, and
1:43:52
Speaker 1: that's what you were in. You were in you know,
1:43:54
Speaker 1: you know Capital Records, the Face Records, Columbia Records. You
1:43:57
Speaker 1: know where an album can get everybody exciting and the
1:44:01
Speaker 1: and the poor sales of an album or talent can
1:44:03
Speaker 1: leave or calm, or talent can have attitude, the talent
1:44:06
Speaker 1: can get sick on the tour. It's so many variables
1:44:09
Speaker 1: that are not normal to everyday life. You know. The
1:44:12
Speaker 1: cool thing about being an entrepreneur, that's what we're talking
1:44:14
Speaker 1: about entrepreneurs on this show, is that you just you
1:44:18
Speaker 1: wake up, but you don't know if a customer's gonna
1:44:20
Speaker 1: show up. You don't know if the oven that you're
1:44:23
Speaker 1: gonna be baking it's gonna work. We don't know anything.
1:44:26
Speaker 1: The circumstances are as laid out, and that's creates stress.
1:44:30
Speaker 1: Now that stress can lead into anxiety, which can lead
1:44:34
Speaker 1: into depression. And so right now when you hear me
1:44:38
Speaker 1: talk MS Doss, you know, I feel like I'm in control.
1:44:43
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I'm in control, but I feel
1:44:45
Speaker 1: like I'm in control. Where does a person like me
1:44:49
Speaker 1: get out of control or need a need counseling or
1:44:52
Speaker 1: what are the true signs of a person like me
1:44:54
Speaker 1: we talked about a little bit earlier, but now that
1:44:57
Speaker 1: you're hearing me talk a guy who's supposed to have
1:44:59
Speaker 1: his act together but still maybe therapy. So you know, again,
1:45:05
Speaker 1: I think it varies from person to person. UM. What
1:45:09
Speaker 1: I will say is, because we all have been quarantining
1:45:12
Speaker 1: this quarantine and dealing with this pandemic, I think we've
1:45:15
Speaker 1: seen a heightened level or sense of anxiety. UM. I
1:45:19
Speaker 1: think when you start feeling like you're you feel like
1:45:22
Speaker 1: there's some impeding danger or your panicking or oftentimes we've
1:45:26
Speaker 1: seen UM heart attacks UM be mimicks as panic attacks
1:45:31
Speaker 1: or vice versa. UM. So if you're sweating a lot,
1:45:34
Speaker 1: if you're trembling, if you're feeling tired or weak, or
1:45:36
Speaker 1: if you're having trouble concentrating and you're constantly worrying, that
1:45:40
Speaker 1: might be time to actually talk to someone and consider
1:45:44
Speaker 1: seeing a therapist. What I tell people, you know, therapy
1:45:46
Speaker 1: isn't just when something is wrong. You know, I like
1:45:49
Speaker 1: to look at therapy as a wellness tool. I know
1:45:51
Speaker 1: people that have you know, just like they talked to
1:45:53
Speaker 1: you know, high high net worth individuals like yourself, or
1:45:56
Speaker 1: people that work in high pressure job. You know, you
1:45:58
Speaker 1: have your account, you have your boy, you have your right.
1:46:01
Speaker 1: You know, why not why not couple your therapist therapists
1:46:04
Speaker 1: right and bring them into that, you know, group of
1:46:08
Speaker 1: individuals that kind of make you flow from from a
1:46:10
Speaker 1: day to day perspective. It's like, you need to make
1:46:12
Speaker 1: sure that you're utilizing therapy um when something isn't just
1:46:17
Speaker 1: always wrong, because it's good to talk to us on
1:46:19
Speaker 1: one um from an objective perspective. And I tell people,
1:46:22
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you might have to be It's like Dayton,
1:46:24
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta keep trying to therapist for you
1:46:28
Speaker 1: because I've heard people say, oh, I was therapy wants.
1:46:31
Speaker 1: It didn't work for me. But that doesn't mean you
1:46:33
Speaker 1: have to stop. Right. That's just like your primary health
1:46:36
Speaker 1: care position and the doctor you don't like, well, you're
1:46:38
Speaker 1: gonna find another good one because you want to again
1:46:41
Speaker 1: make sure you have healthy coping mechanisms to get throughout
1:46:43
Speaker 1: your day. Well, you know, I love the passion in
1:46:45
Speaker 1: your voice. I love the energy and your voice. I'll
1:46:48
Speaker 1: read your bio. And you're being recognized globally about your
1:46:51
Speaker 1: efforts with silence to shame, which is really important because
1:46:55
Speaker 1: this is when you take a passion because you was
1:46:57
Speaker 1: headed down one direction five years. That's right making start us,
1:47:00
Speaker 1: you know, selling records, making videos and then know what
1:47:04
Speaker 1: I'm this is what I and I look at pictures too.
1:47:06
Speaker 1: I look at pictures, I look at the interviews. I
1:47:10
Speaker 1: it feels like because you're doing this for you and
1:47:12
Speaker 1: you're making a difference because it's you. You know, a
1:47:16
Speaker 1: lot of people always talk about you know, when I
1:47:17
Speaker 1: managed Steve Harvey and I stopped managing and start doing
1:47:20
Speaker 1: my own thing, that was a transition, was a difficult
1:47:22
Speaker 1: transition for me. But I'm doing for Rashan McDonald now
1:47:26
Speaker 1: and money making conversations for Rashan McDonald. What I the
1:47:30
Speaker 1: values that I want to promote, the values that I
1:47:33
Speaker 1: want to put out there, you know, And so that's
1:47:36
Speaker 1: what I hear in your voice. I mean the articulation,
1:47:39
Speaker 1: the confidence. You know something that you couldn't talk about,
1:47:42
Speaker 1: something you really didn't understand. You're an expert in it,
1:47:45
Speaker 1: and you want everybody to understand that there is a
1:47:47
Speaker 1: reason you should act this way and you should not
1:47:51
Speaker 1: not be ashamed the kids be ashamed if you're feeling
1:47:55
Speaker 1: acting different for what they call normal situations when stressed
1:47:59
Speaker 1: and xiety falls upon your plate. Because I want to
1:48:02
Speaker 1: go to this new Instagram live show that you're doing
1:48:05
Speaker 1: during this pandemic period. It's called Yeah well is checking in? Well?
1:48:09
Speaker 1: You interview celebrities, tell us about that. You know, that's transition.
1:48:13
Speaker 1: I was just transitioning, that's all you know. Of course,
1:48:17
Speaker 1: I think when the quarantine first happened, like everybody else,
1:48:20
Speaker 1: I was nervous about, you know, will the foundation be
1:48:23
Speaker 1: able to continue to get fun? You know what am
1:48:25
Speaker 1: I gonna do? Because I was doing a lot of
1:48:27
Speaker 1: page speaking dates, going to company, sharing my story around well,
1:48:31
Speaker 1: and of course all that got canceled. So you know, God,
1:48:34
Speaker 1: I just sat steel one morning and God was like,
1:48:36
Speaker 1: you can still be a service to others and the
1:48:38
Speaker 1: money will come. Don't worry about that. No, I just
1:48:41
Speaker 1: woke up one morning and sat feel and allowed God
1:48:43
Speaker 1: to speak to me, and I was like, yeah, you know,
1:48:46
Speaker 1: it's all about well this. I was like, yeah, well this.
1:48:48
Speaker 1: So I was doing my old brains on this session
1:48:50
Speaker 1: and I came up with the name, and then I
1:48:51
Speaker 1: got the i G Live handle and you know, form
1:48:54
Speaker 1: the company, and I started texting my friends. I texted
1:48:58
Speaker 1: Charlotta Bagne, who's the radio you know, well known radio hosting,
1:49:04
Speaker 1: So Charlemagne, he was my first guest. He was like,
1:49:06
Speaker 1: of course, I'll do it. Then I texted one of
1:49:08
Speaker 1: my close friends after, Titia Campbell. She agreed to do it.
1:49:11
Speaker 1: She's been on the show. I've had d nights. I've
1:49:15
Speaker 1: had Karen Sivil, I've had the singer a stale Um,
1:49:18
Speaker 1: I've had informer NBA player t N t Um, commentator
1:49:23
Speaker 1: Chris Weber, Erica Campbell from Mary Mary. I mean, the
1:49:26
Speaker 1: list goes on because everybody at this time, you know,
1:49:29
Speaker 1: feels like you know right or wrong. Mental health is
1:49:33
Speaker 1: just after, you know, the forefront of everything, you know,
1:49:36
Speaker 1: not necessarily right or wrong, but you know, I think
1:49:38
Speaker 1: people are feeling anxious during this time, and to be
1:49:41
Speaker 1: able to check in with some of these celebrities, you know,
1:49:44
Speaker 1: to show everyday people like, look, we all are going
1:49:47
Speaker 1: through this. You know, it's not just you don't think
1:49:49
Speaker 1: something is wrong with you, and and there's help out
1:49:51
Speaker 1: there if you need it, and it's nothing to be
1:49:53
Speaker 1: embarrassed about. So being able to start this year well
1:49:56
Speaker 1: on this platform, I think has been a real blessing, um,
1:49:59
Speaker 1: just to show everybody that guess what, at the end
1:50:01
Speaker 1: of the day, we're all humans. We all may experience this,
1:50:04
Speaker 1: but at the same time, help is available. We don't
1:50:07
Speaker 1: have to live in the valley, right. We go through
1:50:09
Speaker 1: so much trials and tribulations in our lives, but we
1:50:12
Speaker 1: may have ups and downs and turns it out and
1:50:14
Speaker 1: motion that our mental health. But help is available. And
1:50:18
Speaker 1: that is the one thing that we're trying to do
1:50:20
Speaker 1: with silence and shame is to let people know that
1:50:22
Speaker 1: if you need help, you can get it. Wow, it
1:50:25
Speaker 1: really is important. It's really interesting when you when you
1:50:28
Speaker 1: start a platform and you can call on people, important
1:50:31
Speaker 1: people and they respond, that's important. But then hearing your conversation,
1:50:35
Speaker 1: something came out of out of that conversation to me,
1:50:38
Speaker 1: that was really important. Sometimes we we use work or
1:50:42
Speaker 1: busy to hide anxiety or to hide depression, and and
1:50:48
Speaker 1: and then when you hide it, it pops up someplace else.
1:50:51
Speaker 1: Can pop up in the relationship, sudden anger it can
1:50:54
Speaker 1: pop up, and parenting, screaming at your kids, abusing your kids.
1:50:59
Speaker 1: You know, in abuse can be a different way just
1:51:01
Speaker 1: striking your kid or punch your kid unnecessarily. There are
1:51:04
Speaker 1: different ways of abus. Doesn't have to be just pounding
1:51:06
Speaker 1: on your kid to abuse your kid, or abuse your mate.
1:51:10
Speaker 1: And so so we can mass so. So when I
1:51:12
Speaker 1: was hearing you talk, I was like, man, you know,
1:51:14
Speaker 1: because you can just be busy, busy, busy, but really
1:51:17
Speaker 1: have a problem. Would just being busy and you and
1:51:21
Speaker 1: you and yeah, and I call that a high functioning
1:51:23
Speaker 1: person dealing with depression. Yeah, you know, really I'm just
1:51:27
Speaker 1: popping out. I was just living this little crazy life.
1:51:30
Speaker 1: I'm at the lake, just calming myself down. You said,
1:51:32
Speaker 1: that's coping. You know, Hi, Hi function in person all
1:51:36
Speaker 1: these things I didn't. Depression, because you're a Depression can
1:51:39
Speaker 1: come at you at different waves. You know, when you
1:51:41
Speaker 1: don't get a deal or something important happens to you,
1:51:44
Speaker 1: how do you recover from that? You know, have you
1:51:46
Speaker 1: plan to tell people? Shawn not to cut you off
1:51:49
Speaker 1: on sorry, but but to what's you're thing? Is so
1:51:51
Speaker 1: important because I want people to know that sometimes we
1:51:54
Speaker 1: can be really really sad, but that doesn't mean that
1:51:56
Speaker 1: we're depressed. Right, So you gotta like take a serious
1:52:00
Speaker 1: look at it because I don't want people to think
1:52:02
Speaker 1: and the takeaway from the video is that you know,
1:52:04
Speaker 1: we're all depressed, but I would tell people we all
1:52:06
Speaker 1: go through sadness, that experience anxiousness, but it doesn't mean
1:52:10
Speaker 1: that we're depressed. But if that those feelings and those
1:52:13
Speaker 1: thoughts really prolonged, and then your family or your colleagues
1:52:17
Speaker 1: or people around you start seeing a pattern and saying,
1:52:21
Speaker 1: you know, man, what's up with you know, uh Keisha?
1:52:24
Speaker 1: Or what's up with Rudy? Like you don't really seem
1:52:26
Speaker 1: like himself? Like you have got to then say, okay,
1:52:29
Speaker 1: you know what, something is not quite right, And you
1:52:31
Speaker 1: gotta be willing to listen to people that's giving you
1:52:34
Speaker 1: that the people that love you, that's giving you that feedback,
1:52:36
Speaker 1: because oftentimes, you know, I was that person I felt like,
1:52:39
Speaker 1: oh I ain't not wrong me. I don't need to
1:52:41
Speaker 1: talk to nobody. But you see the pattern changing and
1:52:44
Speaker 1: you recognize these signs. That's why we want to educate
1:52:48
Speaker 1: people on what the signs and symptoms are because if
1:52:50
Speaker 1: you see something different and you're going down the wrong path,
1:52:53
Speaker 1: you got your help absolutely. You know, May is Mental
1:52:56
Speaker 1: health or Mental health Awareness Month and national sounds to say.
1:53:00
Speaker 1: Same day is Tuesday, May fifth. That day, Silence to
1:53:03
Speaker 1: Shame will be hosting the Big Texa thon. Tell us
1:53:05
Speaker 1: about that and how we can participate. I know I
1:53:08
Speaker 1: have a banner right now has the word shame struck out.
1:53:12
Speaker 1: Talk to us about it and UH and so we
1:53:14
Speaker 1: can I know I'll be putting that banner on my
1:53:16
Speaker 1: social media. I'll be putting that banner in my newsletter
1:53:19
Speaker 1: that goes out to many thousand and to go out
1:53:21
Speaker 1: this week. I have a May first newsletter, so it
1:53:24
Speaker 1: to go out this Friday promoting your May fifth events.
1:53:26
Speaker 1: Tell us about it that MS Dawson. Yeah, so thank you,
1:53:30
Speaker 1: Thank you, Rashan, and we appreciate the support. So May
1:53:32
Speaker 1: fifth is National Files to Shame Day. We are going
1:53:35
Speaker 1: to be interviewing politicians and celebrities and getting people to
1:53:39
Speaker 1: talk about mental health on our Silence to Shame Instagram page. Also, UH,
1:53:44
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1:53:47
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1:53:50
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1:53:53
Speaker 1: around the world and influencers and everyday people posting. You
1:53:57
Speaker 1: can post a picture of yourself or a video talking
1:54:00
Speaker 1: about your whole personal experience and encourage people to donate.
1:54:03
Speaker 1: Um again, we're gonna be raising fund for resources and programs,
1:54:08
Speaker 1: our scholarship programs, and a portion of the proceeds will
1:54:10
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1:54:14
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1:54:17
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1:54:20
Speaker 1: donate at Silence the Shame dot com. Now more than ever,
1:54:25
Speaker 1: mental health is so important because I'd like to tell
1:54:28
Speaker 1: people it's mind, body and soul. We're seawan what affects
1:54:31
Speaker 1: your mental can affect your physical. You talked about you know,
1:54:35
Speaker 1: things manifesting into other problems in other areas well. Mental
1:54:39
Speaker 1: health issues can manifest into physical issues and vice versas.
1:54:42
Speaker 1: So we've got to raise our voice and raise the
1:54:45
Speaker 1: community awareness and make this is the day to talk
1:54:48
Speaker 1: about it, to support it, to donate, and to get
1:54:51
Speaker 1: everybody to being their best selves. My friend fantastic. I
1:54:56
Speaker 1: want to thank you for coming on the show. I
1:54:58
Speaker 1: will definitely as I told you earlier, I'll supporting you.
1:55:00
Speaker 1: In fact, I probably upload a picture of myself by
1:55:03
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1:55:06
Speaker 1: know that this is where I go. This is my
1:55:09
Speaker 1: outlet when things are on top of me that I
1:55:11
Speaker 1: can't control. I gotta because you know the thing about
1:55:14
Speaker 1: the beautiful, the beautiful part about this interview is that
1:55:18
Speaker 1: we all deal with stressed differently. We just gotta understand
1:55:22
Speaker 1: how to cope with it. And like you said, if
1:55:23
Speaker 1: it's prolonged, then you should be investigated. If it's affecting
1:55:27
Speaker 1: your family, it's affecting your business, affecting the way you're communicating,
1:55:31
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1:55:37
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1:55:40
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1:55:42
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Speaker 1: to my show. Ms Dogs, thank you so much. And
1:55:48
Speaker 1: I just want to say I've been a fan and
1:55:50
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1:55:52
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1:55:55
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