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E269: Where the Right is Failing Gen Z w/Seamus Coughlin | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  Momdami swept away the young female vote by 81%.
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  These young people do have legitimate grievances.
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  Look at the cost of health care for example.
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  This is a massive obstacle to starting a family for a lot of
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  young people. The primary driver of income
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  inequality in the United States is age.
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  The most dangerous group of people in any society, just
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  statistically speaking, are unmarried young men.
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  Who treats a building better, the renter or the owner?
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  The sexual revolution has taken marriage from like an owner
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  relationship to a renting relationship.
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  The cheap motel agreement. Zach, we're using this woman's
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  body to sell products, and yet we can't comment on the fact
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  that the beauty's there in the first place.
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  What does it mean to be a conservative?
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  Can you be a Christian and a libertarian?
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  What are the reasons that young people are veering to the left
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  politically and how can we share the truth?
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  Welcome back to the Lila Roche show.
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  Today I'm sitting down with Seamus Coughlin, a good friend
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  and commentator and founder of Freedom Tunes.
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  We delve into the cultural and financial chaos that young
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  people are facing today. We discuss modesty, beauty and
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  Sydney Sweeney and the importance of conservativism
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  being more than just anti leftism.
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  And finally, I ask Seamus why he no longer considers himself a
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  libertarian. Thank you everyone for watching,
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  commenting, and sharing these videos.
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  Seamus Coughlin, welcome to the podcast.
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  While it's great to be here, it's great to be back.
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  It's been ages. Since I know in this neck of the
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  woods, I know. Congrats on all the great things
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  going on in your world. Yeah.
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  And likewise, I remember when you were just talking about
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  starting this podcast. That's right, I remember talking
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  to you about that. The last time I was out here is
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  probably about five years ago. Wow.
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  And yeah. And so even then I remember you
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  talking about it. And then how long ago did you
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  actually officially start? About two, a little over two
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  years ago, we started as a YouTube show.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Well, congratulations on all the.
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  Successes. Thank you.
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  Yeah, I felt called to do it for many years and then like my
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  husband was just like you just got to start somewhere because
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  it's it's an independent show. It's not, you know, we, we are
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  self funded, self operated and everything.
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  We work with EWTN now and have sponsors, but it's been quite
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  the journey. So you know how it goes with
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  independent media, Yes. I do so I actually did have a
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  podcast for a while. I obviously primarily do the.
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  Cartoons for those two. I did your podcast right that's.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  So you were on one of the first episodes we did.
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  Actually that was. Yeah, exactly.
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  That was January of 23, Which or 24?
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  No, Yeah, it was January of 24, but the podcast started in
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  November of 23. And then I ended up having to
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  step back for a couple reasons, but primarily just because I
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  needed to focus more on the animation.
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  And we're launching this really big project right now, which has
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  been in the works for a while. And there are a lot of pundits
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  and people talking about the issues on the right.
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  And I love doing that. Like, I love podcasting.
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  I loved having my podcast, but there aren't people animating,
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  there aren't people making. Entertainment.
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  Concepts, storytelling. Exactly.
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  And to me, that's very important because societies sink or swim
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  based on the narratives that they believe.
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  And story is the number one way that people actually internalize
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  values. And we literally have the most
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  powerful storytelling infrastructure that has ever
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  existed in civilized history. With film, television, and
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  streaming, you can literally beam onto somebody's screen a
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  story that will impact them emotionally in ways that it has
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  never been possible to accomplish.
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  And this infrastructure is almost entirely controlled by
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  people who don't like our way of life or appreciate it, right?
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  It's a big tech. The big tech companies, also
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  Hollywood, it's not friendly to Catholicism, it's not friendly
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  to Christian virtues. It's not friendly to American
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  values in in any capacity. And they've been slowly chipping
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  away at our culture over the course of of decades.
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  And so I think one thing the right has done a good job of
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  doing over the past couple decades is building up an
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  alternative news media infrastructure in an alternative
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  commentariat class. But we haven't really done a
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  good enough job creating storytelling infrastructure and
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  film and television shows that can reach your average person.
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  So with Freedom Tunes, I've been doing that eleven years now and
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  we've. Been like the South Park of the
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  right A. Little bit, yeah, that's that's.
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  Not so high praise, but not vulgar.
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  Not vulgar exactly, like you can watch it and not have to go to
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  confession basically. Yeah, exactly.
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  Exactly. Not that every South Park
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  episode you go to confession, but I think it's pretty gets
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  pretty. Well, that's the thing.
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  There's some stuff South Park does in it that is, that's so
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  clever and so smart and so funny.
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  And then there's other stuff they do that's so crass and
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  horrible and you're like, I can't watch this anymore.
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  And then you get amnesia and you go back and watch again and
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  you're like, that was pretty funny.
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  But yeah, I, I've always tried to stay away from humor that's
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  too blue, humor that's too sexual.
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  And in particular, I think humor about things that are sacred.
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  It's fine to make fun of certain social structures as they
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  pertain to religion. Like, I'm fine with people make
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  fun of Christians as people. But it's when Christianity is
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  mocked. It's when Jesus and his God,
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  virgin mother are mocked. Yeah, or God is mocked.
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  And so similarly, like sex is a sacred, beautiful thing and it's
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  constantly mocked by our culture.
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  I don't think there's anything wrong with like, making jokes
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  about the dynamics between men and women, but when it comes to
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  sex itself, that's been so horribly degraded by the
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  culture. And so that's one of the reasons
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  that I don't get too blue or crass with our humor either,
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  because it is something sacred that we should not be flippin
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  about. When you say too blue with your
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  humor, what does that? Mean oh, so blue is blue is
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  basically a euphemism that people in the comedy sphere will
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  use to refer to sexual OK. Like.
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  OK, I. Haven't heard that before.
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  It's like. Vulgar.
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  Good for you. Change.
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  Oh, thank you. Good for well, I know your faith
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  is obviously your life. I mean, that is your foundation.
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  And I think that's really beautiful that you work from
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  that foundation. And that's why I support you
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  being out there and creating content.
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  And over the years you've talked about your different projects.
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  So tell me shame, who's Shamus and why?
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  Why did you get into making political and cultural
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  commentary via your own channel, which has been very successful?
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  Thank you. What's what's driving that for
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  you? Yeah, I was young and foolish
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  and willing to take the risks. So I was, I was 19 years old and
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  I did the smartest thing any aspiring animator could do.
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  I posted all of my right wing views very publicly on the same
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  channel that I was producing my art on.
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  And I was very fortunate because it ended up attaining a high
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  degree of success. I've been trying to break into
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  the entertainment space ever since I was in my teens.
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  I mean, I started teaching myself to animate when I was
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  about 12 years old with a copy of an animation software that
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  was at the time probably about 10 or 15 years old.
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  It was called Macromedia Flash. And I, I bought it on eBay for
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  like $25. My mom bought it for me.
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  And so I started teaching myself.
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  And this is really funny. They had, they had Flash 3 and
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  Flash 5 and they were selling it for for $50.
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  And then I was like, can you sell me just the older one for
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  25? And they did.
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  And that's how I started learning to animate on my
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  family's old E machine. And so over the years, I began
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  to hone my craft more. And I started freelancing
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  probably around the time that I was 14 years old, just doing
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  small little gigs here and there.
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  And eventually, by the time I graduated high school, I was
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  ready to start competing in the marketplace.
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  And I knew I wanted to do animation for a living.
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  And my eventual goal was to make film and television because I
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  knew that our culture was so corrupt.
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  And even though I wouldn't have articulated it the exact same
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  way back when I was 16 or 17, I was aware of the raw
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  technological power that existed in new media, in television, in
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  web entertainment. And I knew that we had to do
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  something as Catholics to try to claim that space because there's
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  been many attempts at making Christian entertainment that
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  unfortunately haven't been very good.
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  And it's not to be too critical, but just to be blunt and assess
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  the situation honestly. We have to acknowledge that.
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  And so my initial plan was I'll just freelance and then maybe
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  work on projects on the side. And I, I was actually working on
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  a children's Christian film that that I had written and I never
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  published it, but I basically finished it, funny enough, when
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  I when I was about 20. Which one?
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  Which one was that? Did we?
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  Never released it. No.
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  We. We.
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  Can talk about it. OK, that's so fun.
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  The animation is probably very, very outdated.
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  But this is all to say at the same time that I'm doing these
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  things that I'm attending Community College, I start
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  uploading these short little political cartoons to my YouTube
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  channel and I upload the first one and then a couple days later
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  I come back and it has like 2000 views, which was huge for me.
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  It's, it's hard to imagine that in in this space, people get
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  hundreds of thousands of views and we're very blessed.
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  Our average view count is about 450,000 per video.
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  But when you've never even broken 1000 before and you see
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  videos got 2000 views, it, it inspires you.
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  And so I just started churning out more and more content
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  because I knew consistency was going to be the key to building
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  the audience. And Long story short, by the
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  time I was finished with college, I was making enough
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  with the channel to support myself as well as with different
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  freelance gigs that I was able to bring in from people who are
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  familiar with my work on the channel.
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  And now we've got a million subscribers, 290 million views,
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  $0.00 spent on marketing, all totally grass roots word of
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  mouth, and a team of about 6 to 8 people, employees and
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  contractors working on various projects at any point in time.
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  So God has really blessed us. And after all the years that
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  I've spent cultivating this team and a good sense of comedic
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  timing and storytelling, I've made the determination that it's
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  just it's time for us to step out into making longer form
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  content. This is funny because you and I
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  actually talked about this, I think in 2023.
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  I was podcasting a lot at that time and I was still doing
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  Freedom Tunes and I was having success in both areas.
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  And I was trying to figure out what should I focus on because I
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  love podcasting. And the blunt reality is even
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  though the podcasting was not as successful as Freedom Tunes was,
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  podcasting is not as difficult as managing animation
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  production. It's just a lot of work to to
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  have this team. And that's not to denigrate
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  podcasting. It's just animation is.
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  Crazy. You're showing up and talking.
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  Yeah, depending on the podcast especially, you're writing
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  scripts, you're animating so and you're producing and so it's a
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  multi faceted project. And yeah, animating is a tedious
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  task because I I don't animate, but I have respect for
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  animators. Well, I appreciate that.
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  First shame is to sit down and comment versus going and writing
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  a Freedom Tunes episode. It's a different time sync.
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  And it's, it's not to say that like, listen, there's a skill to
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  podcasting and there's a pressure with it because you're
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  just in front of a camera talking.
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  And especially when you're live, that's really nerve racking.
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  And I don't know anyone who does this for a living who doesn't
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  put their foot in their mouth at least once a month and go.
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  I should not have said that. Why did it come out that way?
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  So there is a special pressure with podcasting for sure.
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  And Even so, I was trying to figure out what to do.
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  And I know you and I even spoke about that at at one point in
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  time. And after a lot of prayer, it
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  just occurred to me that I really do need to focus more on
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  animation. And so I was trying to figure
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  out the exact right Ave. for pursuing that.
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  I had continued to go the Freedom Tunes platform.
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  And in 2024 with the election, we got a lot of extra attention
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  as we do during election years. And what I did was I just
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  reinvested the extra money back into keeping the animation team
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  as large as it is. During that very busy season, I
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  had them produce a pilot episode for our first episode of our new
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  anthology series and a couple other projects I haven't
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  announced yet but that I'm very excited about.
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  And as of several weeks ago, we officially launched the
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  crowdfunding campaign for our new animated anthology series,
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  Twisted Plots. And it's an animated comedy
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  series which communicates Christian conservative American
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  right wing values not through ham fisted monologues or
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  preaching, but storytelling and humor.
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  So is it animated or it's completely animate?
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  And is it more? What age group would you say
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  it's for? It was not like a baby comfort.
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  Like little kids, No. So some of the stuff this.
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  Is not the right wing version of Miss Rachel.
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  No, no. No, by the way, a lot of Miss
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  Rachel's content is lovely. So unfortunately she's gotten
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  super political, politicized in the kind of LGBTQ stuff, which
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  that's rough, you know, although they.
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  All do, and it's always children's content.
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  It's always children's content that goes in this LGBTQ
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  direction. It's really despicable.
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  Yes, although I love that she seems to show true concern for
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  children in Gaza as well as children in Israel.
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  There seems to be that Part 2 which I think people like to see
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  that but the whole pro bisexual transgender stuff in kids
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  content or like her promoting that around kids content is is
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  not OK. I totally agree with you and on
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  the Israel Gaza issue as well, I agree because with Miss Rachel,
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  she caught a lot of Flack for that and I, like you, was very
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  upset by some of the LGBTQ activism that she engaged in.
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  But I didn't find anything she said about either side to be
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  even remotely distasteful. She was literally just talking
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  about children who were dying. It was shocking to me.
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  I. Think I saw it on both sides.
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  I think it's a problem when somebody says ignores, for
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  example, children, child hostages, right?
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  But I think she I remember her speaking to both and I thought
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  that was good thing. So there's not I'm not turning
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  this into a Miss Rachel like positive piece here.
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  But the point is, the point is for your con, what you're
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  creating here, which was supplies, not Mrs. Rachel no, I
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  unfortunately no. You could be.
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  A You could be a Mr. Rogers. You could.
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  I could see that actually, I gotta say.
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  You're Irish, aren't you? Yeah, it's true.
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  Was it Mr. I'm sure Mr. Rogers was.
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  Irish there is a line. For Mr. Rogers, that I quote
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  frequently, he said this is the first time in history that we've
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  allowed strangers in our home to educate our children.
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  That's what he said about television.
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  Completely correct. Interesting.
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  Well, the guy just looked it up. He is not Irish.
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  Wow. But you could be the first
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  defensive. Yeah, exactly.
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  But he was German, Scottish, Welsh and oh, he's saying Scots,
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  Irish, Northern Irish. Yeah.
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  Anyways. What age for twisted for for
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  twisted plots, yeah, so. The subject matter that we deal
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  with, again, like I said, it doesn't get blue.
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  We don't have any nudity or anything like that.
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  Sometimes there's bleep swearing, but it's on occasion
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  the subject matter we're dealing with things like for example,
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  our second video or our second episode that we're we're
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  producing. The title of it is Wisdom
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  Chapter 2. And I, I don't want to spoil too
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  much about it, but it deals with how human beings deal with their
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  consciences and wrestle with them.
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  And one of the themes is that someone has committed adultery.
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  And so obviously that's not something for little kids.
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  You don't see it. You know, we don't explain it in
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  graphic detail, but you just know what happened.
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  You know that this guy cheated on his spouse and you know that
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  his actions come from a place of trying to deal with his guilt.
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  And it, that's a very dry way of explaining it.
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  It's it's like this, like a parable.
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  It's this, it's like, well, it's a wacky.
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  Hilarious sci-fi plot. I don't want to spoil too much
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  of it, but it's, it's this, it's wacky, insane, hilarious sci-fi
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  plot. But like, at the heart of it is
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  why do people do bad things? And why do we treat innocent
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  people with such contempt while we have this kind of
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  appreciation for the guilty almost because of a kind of
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  underdog effect, where it seems in our culture we're more likely
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  to take pity on criminals than victims.
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  And and that subject matter, that that quality that exists
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  within the human experience is what the episode explores
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  meaning. Being sorry for the adulterer
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  instead of the one that's cheated on or what we're trying
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  to. Justify it.
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  So adultery is one way that it's communicated throughout the
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  episode, but there's a couple different running plot lines.
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  Interesting. OK, well, we can't watch it, can
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  we, right now? But yeah, we can't watch a
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  Freedom Tunes episode, it looks like.
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  So we have a little clip here. This is something that you
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  created. I don't know the time stamp on
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  this actually, but we'll watch a little clip of your work,
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  Shavis, here. And then I want you to comment
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  on this one actually in particular, because this isn't,
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  this is a good one with the elections that just happened.
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  We're filming this the Thursday after the election, just two
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  days ago. So what's?
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  Going on with Yong men y'all like what's the deal?
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  Are you sure you want to hear y'all man?
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  Funny thing, we're ready for the conversation, OK?
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  Cuz some of the things that are alienating us might be things
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  that you guys, you know, really enjoy doing.
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  So no, no listen, we're here to listen y'all man.
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  We just, we really just want to help you.
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  Sure, obviously. Come on.
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  OK, well, it feels as a young white man as if anytime you say
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  anything to people on the left, they belittle and dismiss you.
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  Black trans lesbians are fighting for their life right
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  now. White skin rough.
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  Yeah. And those Democrats?
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  Trying to understand white men understand.
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  White Men. So by the way, Twisted Plots is
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  the name of the show. It's different from Freedom
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  Tunes. These are these short animated
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  sketches, and we have to get them done very, very quickly.
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  With Twisted Plots, there's a lot more time that gets put into
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  each episode, so the animation is a lot more polished and it
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  looks a lot nicer. This is as good as South.
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  Park OK, Yeah. Don't you guys apologize for
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  this animation? No, no.
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  This is for sure better than. South Park visually better and
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  I'm happy. With how it looks, but just so
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  we will know, twisted plots looks even better.
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  Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure It's been we.
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  Already have the pilot episode done Twisted plots.com.
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  here like this one? Democrats trying to understand
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  white men because the scripting is half the brilliance here.
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  Yeah. Well, thank you.
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  And funny enough, this one was actually kind of improv.
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  You'll notice that one character stops speaking when the other
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  does, and that's because I was just sitting there talking to
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  myself. So you're.
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  Doing the, you're doing the accents, Yeah.
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  Can you? Can you give us an accent here?
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  Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
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  Give me one. Is there anyone any particular
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  accent? Well, here we were.
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  Guy in the video. That kind of talks like this.
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  His name is Zach. He's a young liberal character.
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  He, you know, he's kind of the, the kind of typical like burnout
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  teenager stereotype from probably like the 2000s.
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  And then the other guy who's like a little bit more of a, a
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  sensitive type. And then the guy in the middle,
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  I was, he's doing my regular voice.
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  Yeah, yeah. There was.
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  I meant I need to get you to do your Trump characterization.
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  We got my Trump. Is that?
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  Good, but I'm happy to do hilarious.
• 19:41
  So we're going to get get to that.
• 19:42
  But on this one in particular, it's interesting because this
• 19:45
  with the election that just happened talking about this when
• 19:47
  you got here, they're both meant both young men and women voted
• 19:51
  left ultimately. And this is again, this is like
• 19:54
  the year after the presidential election.
• 19:56
  So usually the the underdog does better in the midterm or the
• 19:59
  next year. So I don't want to read too much
• 20:00
  into the statistics or into the survey or the the exit survey
• 20:03
  information or, you know, the voting information.
• 20:05
  But I think it's interesting to look at both young men and young
• 20:09
  women right now. Gen.
• 20:11
  Z and some millennials, but really Gen.
• 20:13
  Z is being assailed by and, and I think believing a lot of
• 20:18
  leftist ideas and young men are doing a little bit better right
• 20:22
  now because I think there's like this is indicating.
• 20:25
  I think the left is so tone deaf when it comes to young men that
• 20:27
  they've lost a certain cohort, but they're still strong with a
• 20:31
  lot of young men and then they're Uber strong with young
• 20:34
  women right now. Yeah, I think that's.
• 20:35
  Right. And it's like you said something
• 20:37
  we got to be careful about reading into because it's the
• 20:39
  first election after after a presidential election.
• 20:42
  And usually the party in power has some losses.
• 20:46
  And also in New York specifically, I mean, we're
• 20:47
  dealing with New York. It's right.
• 20:48
  It's blue, blue, blue anyways. Yeah, not the comedy blue, but
• 20:51
  yeah, well, that, that too, actually.
• 20:53
  That too, unfortunately. And you know.
• 20:55
  Montdami also made certain promises that were very racially
• 20:59
  charged. He said.
• 20:59
  He wanted to tax white people more, and so how that breaks
• 21:03
  down along gender lines is a little bit.
• 21:06
  That's so crazy. Yeah.
• 21:07
  Yeah, exactly. It's it's just if you're white.
• 21:09
  Racist get taxed more just by being white.
• 21:11
  Well, what he what? He was saying was that we need
• 21:13
  to tax whiter areas more and he said whiter areas and it's
• 21:16
  listed in his platform. Like we need to make sure whiter
• 21:18
  areas are paying more into the system because they're
• 21:21
  benefiting from it or whatever kind of race Marxist rhetoric he
• 21:23
  used to justify that position. But he did state he was
• 21:26
  targeting white people specifically, which is totally
• 21:28
  insane and extremely racist. But it's difficult to know.
• 21:33
  And I suspect because, as you mentioned, young women tend to
• 21:36
  lean to the left more often that they probably would align more
• 21:40
  with him even on the racial issues.
• 21:42
  But with respect to the voting patterns outside of New York, it
• 21:47
  does tend to be the case that young men do learn more
• 21:50
  conservative, though in this election, it seems everyone was
• 21:53
  was was leaning to the left here also because of the reasons we
• 21:58
  issued or mentioned earlier. I think we have to take
• 22:03
  seriously is the fact that in every heresy there's a kernel of
• 22:07
  truth, OK. So true.
• 22:10
  It's I think we have to not forget that when we were talking
• 22:12
  about all of this because that's what people get attracted to
• 22:14
  ultimately. Like moths to flame eggs, Yes.
• 22:17
  And when it comes to the promises Mandami's making, even
• 22:21
  though, again, I find his rhetoric reprehensible and I
• 22:24
  think he's totally wrong. Like, people don't generally, in
• 22:30
  an in a nation which was otherwise healthy and
• 22:32
  prosperous, just become communists overnight because
• 22:34
  everything was just going so well.
• 22:36
  That can kind of happen. Decadence can destroy a society,
• 22:39
  and then communism is the rot that sets in.
• 22:42
  But I really do believe that many young people feel that
• 22:47
  there's no future for them. And if I don't have any hope
• 22:50
  that I'm going to be able to build what I need to build in
• 22:53
  order to be a successful man, then I'm going to want what
• 22:55
  another man has built to be redistributed.
• 22:58
  And this is where it gets really nuanced because my parents,
• 23:02
  they're baby boomers. There are some great baby
• 23:04
  boomers. They're awesome people in that
• 23:06
  generation. But I think many young people
• 23:08
  have become very bitter with the baby boomer generation.
• 23:11
  Similarly, baby boomers are bitter with the younger
• 23:13
  generation because they're going this younger generation so
• 23:17
  entitled and they don't want to work hard.
• 23:19
  And it might upset people to hear me say this, but both sides
• 23:22
  are kind of right. Both sides are kind of right.
• 23:24
  I think that young people don't have the same drive and
• 23:27
  motivation to work in some part because of actual systemic
• 23:31
  issues and not because of character failings.
• 23:33
  But at the same time, it is true that a a huge driving factor in
• 23:41
  unequal wealth distribution just is age.
• 23:43
  And this is something to look out for, by the way, when
• 23:45
  someone like Mandami says we need to tax white people more
• 23:47
  because white people have more money, you'll get into this idea
• 23:50
  of like the racial income gap. The racial income gap is
• 23:53
  actually almost entirely the product of an age gap.
• 23:56
  Older people make more money than younger people, and the
• 23:58
  white population has an older population.
• 24:01
  So if you're saying there's more.
• 24:02
  Young blacks and young whites, but there are more percentages,
• 24:05
  like based on a 10 year frame or something.
• 24:07
  Yeah, more young. Hispanics and more young black
• 24:09
  people than young white people. So the white population is
• 24:12
  aging. That means the white population
• 24:14
  demographically, because they're in a higher age group, have more
• 24:17
  money and earn more money. And that's made out to be a race
• 24:20
  issue that allows people like Mondami to slip in and say white
• 24:22
  people are disproportionately benefiting from the system.
• 24:24
  And it's unfair. But the reality is the primary
• 24:29
  driver of income inequality in the United States is age.
• 24:32
  So just. To make sure I'm tracking this,
• 24:34
  what you're saying percentage wise, there are more non white
• 24:39
  young people today percentage wise than there were let's say 2
• 24:43
  decades ago. Yeah, I think actually.
• 24:45
  I need to double check on the numbers but you can Fact Check
• 24:48
  me on this. But I'm pretty sure for people
• 24:51
  under the age of 20, white people are now less than 50% of
• 24:54
  the population. And and above the age of 20.
• 24:57
  They're over if you have if you take an older generation.
• 25:00
  Interesting, but the point. In that's a little bit of an
• 25:03
  aside, but the general point is just that a lot of younger age.
• 25:06
  Groups are more diverse, with a higher proportion of people of
• 25:08
  color well. Older age groups are becoming
• 25:11
  increasingly majority white well in.
• 25:13
  And by the way, and the money. Is more in the older generations
• 25:16
  now because of the economy and home ownership and everything
• 25:19
  else you know and so that's. All that's going to be turned
• 25:21
  into a racial issue. Look, these white people have
• 25:23
  all the money. We need to take it for them and
• 25:25
  we need to implement. We already see this with
• 25:26
  mandami. It's a very serious issue.
• 25:28
  Race based taxing spits in the face of everything that we
• 25:31
  understand as Americans should be our pro reverse.
• 25:34
  Yeah. Exactly.
• 25:36
  And so that said, I've gotten off track here a little bit.
• 25:39
  The main point was about why young people are attracted to
• 25:42
  socialism. Socialism is absolutely the
• 25:44
  wrong answer, and it always will be.
• 25:46
  But we got to keep in mind is that these young people do have
• 25:49
  legitimate grievances. So when you look at the cost of
• 25:52
  healthcare, for example, this is a massive obstacle to starting a
• 25:55
  family for a lot of young people.
• 25:58
  And as it currently stands, because of Obamacare, health
• 26:02
  insurance companies can only adjust premiums on a four to one
• 26:06
  ratio on the basis of the level of risk they incur insuring
• 26:12
  older people. So here's what I mean by that,
• 26:13
  because that's that's a lot. An older person.
• 26:18
  Is more likely to have health issues, so they are more
• 26:21
  expensive for a health insurance company to cover.
• 26:25
  Traditionally, the way that's been dealt with is older people
• 26:27
  have just had more expensive health insurance, and they still
• 26:30
  do. But Obamacare came in and it
• 26:32
  limited the amount that health insurance companies could
• 26:36
  increase premiums for older people to a four to one ratio.
• 26:40
  That did not just make health insurance cheaper for older
• 26:42
  people, it made it way more expensive for young people.
• 26:46
  So now young people, who again, statistically have less money
• 26:49
  than older people, are paying more money into the system to
• 26:53
  subsidize a wealthier class of people and their health
• 26:55
  insurance. And now they're less likely to
• 26:58
  start families when they're at the point in their life when it
• 27:01
  would otherwise make the most sense for them to do so.
• 27:04
  So we've got a very broken chain of distribution in this country.
• 27:08
  And I believe a lot of that has been caused by policies that
• 27:11
  were put forward by people who were quote UN quote, well
• 27:14
  meaning socialists or people with a kind of moderate form of
• 27:17
  socialism. And it's made the problem worse,
• 27:20
  though that's not the entire story.
• 27:21
  Like unfettered capitalism is also a serious problem.
• 27:25
  And in so far as that's allowed to rain in the United States has
• 27:28
  caused a lot of serious issues. So my point is just to say that
• 27:31
  whenever you're dealing with any economic ideology, whether it's
• 27:34
  radically libertarian or radically right wing or
• 27:36
  radically left wing, when you get to the extremes, you have
• 27:39
  the exact same problem, which is that property ends up being
• 27:41
  consolidated with a microscopic class of people.
• 27:44
  Under communism, it's just the party members.
• 27:46
  And under a right wing, you know, totally libertarian
• 27:49
  framework, it is only the most successful capitalist who ends
• 27:54
  up accumulating everything. And what young people are saying
• 27:57
  is. We don't want that.
• 28:01
  And their right to not want it, but I think they're confused
• 28:03
  about the solutions. I think that's very well said.
• 28:06
  Seamus and I think about I think about California and property
• 28:09
  taxes. Oh my gosh.
• 28:11
  And you? Guys actually don't.
• 28:12
  Have it as bad as other blue. States because of the what was
• 28:14
  that proposition in the 90s that limited the amount they could
• 28:16
  raise Well, but there this is the.
• 28:18
  Thing you you say we don't have as bad because of the
• 28:20
  proposition in the 90 I should know what it is off the top of
• 28:22
  my head. I don't, but what that has done
• 28:24
  is it favors again, older folks because homeowners from
• 28:30
  10/20/30, certainly 30 years ago when they bought when a house in
• 28:35
  like Silicon Valley was maybe, you know, $100,000 and now it's
• 28:38
  worth literally $5,000,000. It's wild, right?
• 28:41
  Like where I grew up, houses now that would have cost, you know,
• 28:44
  even just 10 years ago one maybe 1/5 what they cost in 10 years
• 28:49
  later. I mean, it's insane, right?
• 28:51
  But what the point about property taxes is that you can
• 28:54
  transfer your property tax status under certain rules and
• 28:57
  it's controlled to you can only raise the property tax so much
• 29:00
  with for a homeowner each year. But if you sell and buy another
• 29:03
  home without doing the certain exchange that a lot of baby
• 29:07
  boomers are doing to avoid this taxing issue, then you have to
• 29:10
  be taxed at current levels. So what that means is you could
• 29:14
  have a person of the baby boomer generation owning a home that's
• 29:17
  worth on the market $2,000,000, but they're paying taxes as if
• 29:21
  it's only worth, let's say, $800,000.
• 29:24
  And another younger couple tries to go and buy a home, and
• 29:27
  they're going to be paying taxes at maybe $2000 a month, you
• 29:32
  know, two or three. Two or three X2 or 3X with the
• 29:36
  baby. Boomers is now paying and then
• 29:38
  you add to that the fact that these houses when the baby
• 29:41
  boomers bought them were worth, you know, significantly less.
• 29:44
  So that's just another example of how even in the housing
• 29:46
  market, it's almost impossible for a lot of young people to
• 29:52
  begin to dream about buying a home.
• 29:54
  But then in our parents generation, they were able to
• 29:55
  afford them well. And there's a lot of these
• 29:57
  things that we. Can point to specific policy
• 29:59
  issues and find some blame there, but I really do wonder
• 30:03
  how much of this is just a product of the fact that our
• 30:06
  society is structured in an A fundamentally anti human way.
• 30:10
  Historically, you lived with family or you lived near family
• 30:14
  and parents passed down an inheritance to their children.
• 30:18
  Usually what happened was older generations would try as best
• 30:21
  they could do accumulate wealth to pass on to the younger
• 30:24
  generations. And it's funny because whenever
• 30:26
  I talk about this, I think older people would hear this and go,
• 30:28
  this is another young, you know, entitled person who wants their
• 30:31
  parents money. God has really blessed me.
• 30:33
  My parents have also blessed me. They they helped me in in ways
• 30:36
  when I was younger with through college and just the the leg up
• 30:39
  I got from my parents. Hard work is phenomenal and I
• 30:42
  have nothing but gratitude to them and I have no expectations
• 30:45
  for them to give me anything. In fact, I'm sure you're going.
• 30:48
  To care for them in their older age, of course.
• 30:49
  Yeah, as we. I think it's by the way.
• 30:51
  The responsibility of children to care for their parents and
• 30:54
  their older age. I completely agree.
• 30:56
  I. Completely, I think it's
• 30:57
  horrible how people will just shuffle their their parent off
• 31:00
  to a retirement home without good cause.
• 31:03
  And sometimes there are certain parents who want to live their
• 31:04
  exceptions exist to every rule. But generally I do think we're
• 31:08
  very callous with each other intergenerationally.
• 31:11
  And so you see these quotes from these wealthy celebrities who
• 31:15
  will say things like, I don't plan on leaving any of my wealth
• 31:17
  to my children because I want them to earn their own way.
• 31:20
  And I hear that and I just think I can't understand that
• 31:25
  mentality because if I became ultra wealthy, like if I became
• 31:28
  ultra wealthy, you better believe I'm going to set my
• 31:30
  children up. And not just because I feel I
• 31:33
  owe my children, I actually owe my ancestors.
• 31:35
  And my great grandparents got on a ship to come to the United
• 31:38
  States and they never got to see their loved ones again.
• 31:41
  And they did that to give their descendants a better future.
• 31:43
  And if I end up hitting the jackpot that I was only able to
• 31:46
  hit because of the sacrifices of my ancestors, you better believe
• 31:49
  that my ancestors, future descendants, are also going to
• 31:52
  be able to reap the benefits of that Gordon Ramsay.
• 31:55
  Says he won't leave any of his money to his kids.
• 31:58
  There was another headline recently.
• 31:59
  Oh, Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher won't be leaving their
• 32:03
  children any of their 275,000,000 fortune.
• 32:07
  I, I, I do think that that trend is very bad because if my same
• 32:11
  with my husband and I, if we have money when we pass, which I
• 32:13
  hope will have, you know, restore have some money right,
• 32:16
  at least of course we will give it to our children and we'll
• 32:19
  certainly give a tithe to charity and maybe even more than
• 32:22
  the tithe to charity. I think we should be all tithing
• 32:24
  as Christians, 10%. But what does it say about the
• 32:27
  relationship with you and your kids if you're not willing to
• 32:30
  give them the legacy of wealth? And I'm and I'm not I, I, I have
• 32:34
  a respect for the older generations who are concerned
• 32:36
  about spoiling younger generations.
• 32:38
  I think that's a real concern. Amen.
• 32:40
  But the time to deal. With that is when they're
• 32:41
  children, not when they're adults.
• 32:42
  Because I got to say one thing I found is there's certain people
• 32:45
  in the older generation who spoiled their children and then
• 32:48
  as soon as they were 18, they said you're on your own, which
• 32:50
  is the worst possible thing you can do.
• 32:52
  You need to help build them up with virtue so they can stand on
• 32:54
  their own 2 feet and then help them and listen, what do I know,
• 32:57
  right? I haven't raised my family, so
• 33:00
  it's easy for me to say. But I just noticed that a lot of
• 33:02
  the rhetoric that comes from people about spoiling their
• 33:04
  children probably comes a little bit too late, unfortunately.
• 33:07
  And I will say there's one caveats issue on these things,
• 33:09
  which is a lot of these wealthy people will say they're not
• 33:11
  leaving their kids any money, but they're trying to avoid
• 33:14
  avoid inheritance taxes. And they'll very cleverly route
• 33:17
  it through nonprofits so that their kids still get the money.
• 33:20
  And so some of that's for show. But again, this also gets into
• 33:24
  the idea of inheritance taxes. I mean, that's insane to me.
• 33:26
  You should be able to build an inheritance and leave that to
• 33:28
  your children. And what a lot of people don't
• 33:30
  realize is inheritance taxes actually increase income
• 33:32
  inequality because poor people inherit a larger percentage of
• 33:35
  their net worth than wealthy people do statistically.
• 33:38
  And it's horrible for the farming industry because farming
• 33:41
  is a career field where you don't actually earn a living
• 33:45
  that far exceeds the average. I believe the average farmer
• 33:48
  makes around 100 something thousand a year, which is a good
• 33:51
  living but not ultra wealthy by any means.
• 33:53
  But they have a net worth of roughly $1,000,000 because of
• 33:57
  how much the farming equipment and the farm cost.
• 34:01
  So when they die and they want to leave that farm to that
• 34:03
  children, the state comes along with the inheritance tax and
• 34:05
  says you owe us $400,000. I have a friend that happened.
• 34:07
  To they had to sell the family farm and they were devastating
• 34:11
  and we look at they couldn't afford to like they were back so
• 34:14
  much upon receipt of the farm, they couldn't afford to keep it
• 34:17
  going and then what happens when they sell it?
• 34:19
  Off they sell it off to someone who's almost certainly going to
• 34:21
  use the land in a less productive but more initially
• 34:23
  lucrative way. They're not going to farm there.
• 34:25
  They're going to build condos there because farming is not the
• 34:27
  most lucrative use of land. And so you actually end up
• 34:30
  hurting the food supply in the long run when you do that.
• 34:33
  I there's just this thing where anywhere the left comes to
• 34:35
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• 34:40
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• 36:25
  So in terms of. And I know this is part of the
• 36:28
  educational project of twisted plots of freedom tunes.
• 36:31
  Like when you're creating this content, it has a message behind
• 36:35
  it. And back to kind of this whole
• 36:36
  even the the cartoon about, you know, the satire about, you
• 36:40
  know, young men in the election this last week, we saw young men
• 36:44
  and young women turn out for Vote Blue.
• 36:47
  And we saw predominantly more women vote that way than men.
• 36:52
  I would think the numbers were 12% more women voted in Virginia
• 36:56
  for Jay Jones, the crazy AG. Yeah, it's.
• 37:00
  So. Crazy, right?
• 37:01
  And then Momdami. He swept away the young female
• 37:05
  vote by 81%. 81 now Cuomo. Had the weird.
• 37:09
  Sexual abuse scandal Fair. So I think I can understand
• 37:13
  people being like that was also Democrat versus.
• 37:14
  Democrat too, right? So that wasn't women leaning one
• 37:17
  way away from Republicans, that was them.
• 37:18
  They are leaning I think they. Are leaning right away overall.
• 37:22
  So so it's both men and women, even more women.
• 37:25
  And I think the question is there's always a question, of
• 37:27
  course, why the self reflection question of why, and then the
• 37:30
  question of how do we solve this?
• 37:33
  And, and the end game shouldn't be political.
• 37:35
  The end game is, I mean, for both of us as people of faith,
• 37:38
  the end game is the gospel and getting people to understand
• 37:41
  God's love for them, God saving power for them, and then to
• 37:44
  change your own lives to be more in accord with God's will.
• 37:47
  And then there will be a political impact from that, of
• 37:49
  course. Yeah, that's a good question.
• 37:51
  So is the question more or less how women have leaned to the
• 37:56
  left and what I think the Democrats have done to be able
• 37:58
  to achieve that? Or maybe more.
• 38:00
  I mean maybe both. I mean, you've already hit on
• 38:03
  something that I think is really key, which is the economic
• 38:05
  issues that young people are facing.
• 38:07
  I think that's a reality for both men and women, that they
• 38:10
  can't really see a future for themselves.
• 38:11
  And so they go to the politician who's promising the most
• 38:15
  basically solutions economically.
• 38:17
  And if you're a politician, who? Says, listen, the system needs
• 38:19
  some restructuring and I'm not going to be able to give you any
• 38:21
  specific handout, but in the long run, my policies will make
• 38:24
  this a more pro family country that's a lot less enticing.
• 38:27
  The guy who says I'll give you free childcare tomorrow if you
• 38:30
  elect me. So a huge part of this is just
• 38:33
  again, the breakdown of the family in the same way that we
• 38:35
  have all these intergenerational problems because people aren't
• 38:38
  living as they historically did in a more frankly, again, human
• 38:41
  friendly way. We also have gender division
• 38:44
  that's been created because we're not living in line with
• 38:46
  the way people lived historically and traditionally
• 38:49
  in family units. More and more young people are
• 38:51
  unmarried, and that gap has increased the ideal logical
• 38:56
  distance between men and women. So one thing people will say is
• 38:58
  young men have become radicalized.
• 39:00
  But if you look across the developed world, a lot of
• 39:03
  statistics show men either staying in place or going a bit
• 39:07
  to the right and women really shooting off to the left.
• 39:10
  Oh, the women are super. Radicalized like, like burn my
• 39:13
  bra and go get my abortion. I mean, it's, it's, it's wild.
• 39:18
  And it's not only wild. It's it's not in line with the
• 39:21
  natural dignity of women. If I told you that women were by
• 39:25
  and large going to vote for a candidate who was fantasizing
• 39:27
  about children dying, you would never believe it.
• 39:29
  But something has happened here. And I think part of what it is
• 39:34
  is people have been sold this idea that it's this battle
• 39:36
  between good and evil, which it is.
• 39:38
  They're just confused about this way the sides sound.
• 39:42
  And so it's like, yeah, Jay Jones might not be great, but we
• 39:44
  just can't let a Republican win because they're all horrible
• 39:46
  Nazis. But on a more fundamental level,
• 39:52
  George Gilder wrote this awesome book.
• 39:53
  It's called Men and Marriage, and one thing he says in it is
• 39:57
  that the most dangerous group of people in any society are
• 40:02
  unmarried young men. Just statistically speaking,
• 40:05
  when you look at violence. Now, part of the benefit of
• 40:10
  marriage is it takes men and women who are different and
• 40:15
  excellent in different ways and also flawed in different ways,
• 40:18
  and it brings them together. And it puts a man on a timetable
• 40:24
  that's more similar to a woman's timetable, which is like, we
• 40:27
  need to try to settle down and have a family and have kids.
• 40:29
  And it also takes a woman. And it helps her Orient herself
• 40:33
  towards a style of thinking that she wouldn't have if there was
• 40:36
  not a man in her life. And so in the Garden of Eden,
• 40:40
  Eve was talking to the serpent. And Adam didn't step in and say,
• 40:44
  you know, I don't let my wife talk to snakes.
• 40:45
  I don't let snakes talk to my wife, basically.
• 40:48
  But when you don't have intact family units, when men and women
• 40:50
  aren't getting married, you have these manipulators who will
• 40:53
  whisper into women's ears and promise them the world.
• 40:56
  And they don't either don't have strong male authority figures in
• 40:58
  their life to say, this guy doesn't have your best interest
• 41:01
  in mind and he's lying to you. Or she does, but she doesn't
• 41:04
  believe him because the culture has spent so much time telling a
• 41:06
  woman that any man who's trying to protect you is a chauvinist
• 41:10
  who thinks he owns you and you shouldn't listen to him.
• 41:12
  And we see this. You don't even need men.
• 41:14
  Or you don't even need men. Men.
• 41:15
  Are useless. Why do?
• 41:16
  You, why bother? You can be the man yourself and
• 41:19
  we you know. The reverse doesn't work.
• 41:21
  The culture has tricked men in different ways, but it hasn't
• 41:25
  tricked them in the exact same way it's tricked women.
• 41:27
  Like you'll hear people complain that women can't be priests.
• 41:30
  I've never heard anyone complain that men can't be nuns.
• 41:32
  But then again, with transgenderism maybe.
• 41:35
  Or men they would be. Men can't be.
• 41:36
  Mothers. Yeah, well, you're right
• 41:38
  actually. That that's real.
• 41:39
  Some men now. Through transgenderism are
• 41:42
  saying I, I want to be a mother. But yeah, it was, it was kind of
• 41:45
  crazy, actually. I, I was at Yale and I did this
• 41:47
  debate at the Yale Political Union.
• 41:49
  And my debate moment was this woman, I think in her 70s now,
• 41:53
  never Catholics for Choice women.
• 41:55
  I saw that debate never married. Never.
• 41:57
  Had any children of her own. It was great, by the way, Thank
• 41:59
  you. But it was tragic that but what
• 42:01
  she her life was tragic to me, you know, because she spent her
• 42:04
  whole life advocating for killing babies.
• 42:06
  And here she is a supposedly a Catholic trying to normalize the
• 42:09
  destruction of the Imago day. But anyway, she asked this
• 42:12
  question to the room because she thought it was like a gotcha.
• 42:14
  And she said to the group of, you know, the whole group of
• 42:16
  students, she's like, who hear of the men would want to be able
• 42:20
  to get pregnant and have a baby. And because, like, none of the
• 42:23
  men and then only one guy was like, well, if that was God's
• 42:26
  design, I'd be down, you know, But none of the men were like
• 42:29
  me. And it was, but it was so.
• 42:31
  But it was so. Dishonest in.
• 42:33
  A way because she was trying to somehow prove like her point
• 42:35
  right was like pregnancy is undesirable.
• 42:37
  That was what she was trying to somehow prove.
• 42:39
  So because men don't want to be pregnant, therefore it is
• 42:41
  undesirable. So it's like by the standard of
• 42:44
  like men are the standard. If they don't want something,
• 42:46
  then therefore it must be that. And it's like, well, what if men
• 42:49
  and women are different? Yeah, exactly.
• 42:50
  What if we're women? Women and women shouldn't be.
• 42:53
  Fearful of being pregnant. I think that's a fear that's
• 42:55
  ingrained in us by society. We should be excited about it.
• 42:58
  Men should be excited about it too.
• 43:00
  When you're married and you're in a family, like that's like
• 43:01
  the best thing ever. Like it's the best day of your
• 43:03
  life. The date, like when Joe and I
• 43:04
  found out we were pregnant for the first time, we're like, it's
• 43:07
  incredible. You know, it's like this thrill,
• 43:08
  right? And so, but I think that's the
• 43:11
  problem is if you treat men and women as the same, there's no
• 43:14
  biological difference. They're interchangeable.
• 43:17
  Fathers and mothers are interchangeable.
• 43:18
  There's nothing special about them.
• 43:20
  Then I can understand her question and why she thinks it's
• 43:22
  a gotcha, right? It totally strips us of.
• 43:24
  Our dignity. This is a serious, serious
• 43:27
  issue. This is actually something I've
• 43:29
  been thinking about when it comes to the body positivity
• 43:31
  movement. I've said this in the past.
• 43:33
  We live in a culture that's increasingly superficial, and
• 43:37
  has been for quite a while. And what our response to that
• 43:41
  should have been, if we were a society more firmly rooted in
• 43:44
  Christ, is that even though truth, goodness, and beauty are
• 43:47
  all objective, every human person is beautiful because
• 43:51
  they're made in God's image and likeness.
• 43:53
  But even if one person is more physically beautiful than
• 43:55
  another, that doesn't define their value as a human being,
• 43:59
  and somebody's virtue matters more than whether they're
• 44:02
  physically attractive. Instead, we bought into the
• 44:06
  framing that beauty's the most important thing on a physical
• 44:09
  level, and we just said everyone's beautiful.
• 44:12
  Instead of saying not everyone needs to have the exact same
• 44:15
  gift, we said everyone does have the exact same gift, which
• 44:18
  actually solidifies the idea that your humanity is contingent
• 44:23
  upon whether or not you're attractive enough physical
• 44:25
  appearance. Exactly.
• 44:27
  And. So what you got to keep in mind
• 44:29
  with all of this is the diabolical root of it, because
• 44:34
  as humans, we are all beautiful because we're made in God's
• 44:36
  image and likeness. And if you have that knowledge,
• 44:40
  there's a sort of ingratitude in being upset that someone might
• 44:43
  be more physically attractive than you.
• 44:45
  And then you think about the fallen angels.
• 44:47
  You think about the fact that Satan saw the Blessed Virgin
• 44:51
  Mary and her beauty and the fact that she would be above him in
• 44:56
  holiness and excellence, and he rebelled because he could not
• 44:59
  have perfect equality with her, that there would be anyone in a
• 45:04
  higher, better place than him. Similarly, this has happened
• 45:07
  with the dynamic not only between the way men look at
• 45:10
  other men and women look at other women, but the way men and
• 45:12
  women look at each other. Each different sex has its own
• 45:15
  specific excellences. And if you're caught up on what
• 45:19
  the opposite sex has or is entitled to, that you don't have
• 45:22
  or aren't entitled to, you're not paying attention to the fact
• 45:25
  that you actually are beautiful and made in God's image and
• 45:27
  likeness, and you're failing to be grateful for that.
• 45:30
  And that is at the root of why the devil himself fell from
• 45:35
  heaven. That's very dangerous.
• 45:36
  It's not a small thing. And our entire society is
• 45:39
  actually built around that framing.
• 45:41
  We all have to be made equal at all times.
• 45:44
  Yeah, I mean, I think. About the yeah, the devil being
• 45:47
  jealous of Mary, I, I don't know if I've heard it posited that
• 45:50
  way, but I'm, I'm sure he's, I'm sure he's jealous of Mary.
• 45:53
  He's certainly jealous of God. He wants to be, he wants to be
• 45:56
  like God. But I think about, I think if
• 46:00
  someone is healthy, I think they're beautiful and
• 46:03
  physically, I think anybody can be physically attractive to
• 46:06
  whoever God may be calling them to get married if they're
• 46:08
  supposed to be married, right, if they're pursue health.
• 46:12
  And so I think that's also part of the the trap, right, is
• 46:15
  there's certain aesthetics that no, you don't fit that bill,
• 46:18
  right? And that's OK.
• 46:19
  Like not everyone, it's OK like you're saying, because
• 46:22
  everybody, I think what's true about everybody is beautiful is
• 46:25
  that yes, everybody's beautiful in their own way.
• 46:28
  There's not a state in God's. Image and likeness, that's
• 46:30
  really important. What what I'm mentioning about
• 46:31
  the Blessed Virgin Mary specifically, this is my
• 46:33
  understanding of it is and some people have said this is about
• 46:36
  the incarnation specifically and and God wanting to become man.
• 46:40
  The way I've heard it articulated, and this was even
• 46:43
  said I believe by one specific exorcist, is that he saw that
• 46:47
  the created being that would exceed all other created beings
• 46:50
  and excellence would be the Blessed Virgin Mary, which
• 46:53
  essentially dethroned him, which made that because God is not.
• 46:57
  Created. Jesus is not created.
• 46:58
  Exactly. They're not created, but.
• 46:59
  The devil is created and he was the highest created being.
• 47:03
  And you got to think about that for a moment.
• 47:04
  Like that means the devil before he fell was holier than the
• 47:08
  holiest St. you can imagine, right?
• 47:10
  Wouldn't that entail that? Or wouldn't that follow if the
• 47:12
  only person who was going to outstrip him in beauty was the
• 47:15
  blessed version and he fell over his pride?
• 47:18
  That's terrifying. That's terrifying.
• 47:21
  And that's why he hates. He hates people, human beings.
• 47:24
  He hates Mary of course, especially and is terrified of
• 47:27
  Mary and this you know, she will crush his head with her heel as
• 47:31
  will the Son of God, obviously and by his by God's in the power
• 47:35
  of Jesus in the name of Jesus. We can obviously be triumphant
• 47:37
  over evil one. But yeah, he hate and he also
• 47:40
  loved. That's why he loves abortion.
• 47:41
  He likes to destroy God and likes left and.
• 47:43
  Right. Yeah, well, and what happens?
• 47:45
  Too, And it's a very sad thing to see, but.
• 47:49
  As a society. Collapses and crumbles on
• 47:52
  itself, and more moral degeneracy is tolerated certain.
• 47:58
  People end. Up disfiguring themselves
• 48:01
  spiritually in these really horrifying ways that bring them
• 48:04
  to the point that whenever they are reminded of innocence and
• 48:07
  beauty, it fills them with rage. And that is a huge motivation
• 48:12
  behind a lot of the radical abortion activism.
• 48:16
  I think there are people who are just confused and misguided but
• 48:20
  I think a lot of this is driven by people who are very, very
• 48:23
  angry because they do see that there's beauty there and they'll
• 48:25
  try to argue that the unborn child isn't a person but we all
• 48:28
  know the only reason they want to kill them is because they're
• 48:30
  a person. Yeah, I think when I.
• 48:32
  When I talk to someone and if they have a special disgust or
• 48:35
  fear about children, I'm sure you've seen this, right?
• 48:39
  It's very, in my view, it's demonic because it's very
• 48:42
  unnatural. I was on a podcast recently with
• 48:44
  this dink, you know, dink no kid.
• 48:47
  And she like has a dink podcast and all this and I pray for her
• 48:50
  like I, I, I wish the best friend and the conversation was
• 48:52
  pretty civil, but she, I think she said, if I remember
• 48:54
  correctly, one of the things that she said was she just
• 48:56
  doesn't like babies. So she's like, and it's like,
• 48:59
  what is it in the human heart, right?
• 49:02
  What is the brokenness or the wound in the human heart?
• 49:05
  Because it's a very dark thing at in its core to say I don't
• 49:10
  like babies, I don't like babies and mother.
• 49:12
  It's very. Objectifying of human.
• 49:13
  Persons it's one thing to say yeah, there's real challenges
• 49:17
  with taking care of a baby of course, but welcome to the
• 49:21
  world, you know, like that's how we all started and imagine you
• 49:24
  said that about. Any other group of people like I
• 49:25
  just really don't like disabled people.
• 49:27
  Like they also have a challenge in being cared for.
• 49:29
  I really don't like brown haired people.
• 49:30
  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 49:31
  Yeah, that would start. But when you but you can say
• 49:33
  that about children, you can just trash children all day
• 49:35
  long. It's horrifying when that is the
• 49:37
  group of people that should be the most protected and this is
• 49:40
  one of the most insane little bits of pro-choice or pro
• 49:43
  abortion rhetoric that shows how upside down the thinking is and
• 49:46
  how upside down our society's thinking has become is.
• 49:49
  They'll try to argue for abortion by pointing out just
• 49:53
  how dependent the unborn child is on the mother When anyone
• 49:57
  who's looking at the issue with any moral clarity or any issue
• 49:59
  with moral clarity says no, the more vulnerable a person is, the
• 50:03
  more we need to care about them and the more protection we need
• 50:06
  to extend them. When do we do that with any
• 50:08
  other issue? Like, well, you know what?
• 50:09
  The reason we need to cut welfare spending to this group
• 50:11
  of people is because they're literally only able to survive
• 50:13
  because of that welfare spending.
• 50:14
  You're like, no, that's actually a reason why they need it,
• 50:17
  right? Like, if you're going to cut a
• 50:19
  program, maybe the first program you cut isn't the one that
• 50:22
  people are still dependent on for their lives.
• 50:25
  Similarly, if you're going to talk about where we should be
• 50:27
  stripping down social obligations, maybe not the
• 50:29
  obligation between the mother and the child who literally
• 50:32
  needs her to not die, that is. That, that view, I think it's
• 50:37
  controversial even on the right to some degree because
• 50:40
  unfortunately on the right, we've started to water down on
• 50:43
  life a little bit in the last couple years.
• 50:45
  And so there's been some big wins like defund Planned
• 50:47
  Parenthood, praise God. You know, that's been like 20
• 50:49
  years in the making. It's just defunded for one year.
• 50:52
  So we have to fight that fight coming up in a few months.
• 50:54
  Yeah, it's only a one year defund.
• 50:56
  It's rookie, but it's $500 million taken away from the
• 50:58
  abortionist. So thanks Thanks be to God for
• 51:01
  that. And, you know, President Trump
• 51:02
  did sign that the big beautiful bill and that include was
• 51:05
  included in there. But all of the I think the
• 51:08
  social policy right now that is, you know, the left, I think your
• 51:12
  average person, I think thinks Democrat, Republican.
• 51:15
  And they think, well, the the Democrats have more handouts for
• 51:18
  the poor. They care about the poor more.
• 51:20
  They care about the disabled more, they care about those that
• 51:22
  are in need more, and the right is just about the billionaires.
• 51:25
  You know, it's the AOC line. I think her Twitter or ex bio
• 51:29
  and her Instagram bio was. In a modern moral society,
• 51:32
  nobody should be too poor to live.
• 51:34
  Which it's a good line, right? I mean, it's actually Catholic
• 51:37
  social justice. Exactly what she means.
• 51:39
  By that right, of course, there's a lot to unpack.
• 51:41
  There but. Yes, the the sentiment of it is
• 51:43
  we don't want to let poor people die.
• 51:44
  Of course not, right? And so I think.
• 51:46
  When I, when we look at the election results, the plight of
• 51:48
  young men and young women today feeling like they can't make
• 51:50
  their way in the world, all of this.
• 51:52
  And there's other issues too. There's selfishness, there's
• 51:54
  greed, there's materialism, there's sexual addiction,
• 51:55
  there's all of this other post sexual revolution nonsense,
• 51:59
  right? So it's not just like I'm too
• 52:01
  poor. It's a lot of it's a mix of
• 52:03
  things as it is with any situation, right?
• 52:06
  There's always like the nuances and the and the complexities.
• 52:09
  But what do you think the policy on the right should be when it
• 52:11
  comes to supporting families? Well, for that's a really.
• 52:14
  And not a question, because we probably don't talk about that
• 52:16
  enough. And it's obvious that the right
• 52:17
  is changing. Yeah.
• 52:18
  And it's obvious that the right wing is changing.
• 52:20
  And it's important for us to implement solutions that are
• 52:22
  really, again, in line with a human way of living.
• 52:25
  One of the critiques I have of the left is they have this
• 52:27
  ideological box that they want to put people into that no human
• 52:30
  person actually fits inside of. They want to claim that all the
• 52:33
  things about us that we hold dear and that exist on an gate
• 52:35
  leveler that we strive for from a deep part of ourselves are
• 52:38
  mere social constructs, when that's certainly not true.
• 52:42
  And so we on the right also have to be careful that we don't try
• 52:45
  to put people in a similar economic box where we have to
• 52:48
  ideologically impose this belief that everyone's a perfectly
• 52:51
  rational actor when it comes to economic activity.
• 52:54
  Because that's where we end up with the radical laissez faire
• 52:58
  view of economic regulation. And even though I think free
• 53:02
  markets are a phenomenal thing, as I mentioned earlier, when
• 53:05
  it's totally unregulated, you do end up in a position where a
• 53:09
  small minority end up with all the property.
• 53:12
  What you need is a society where everyone has a stake in the
• 53:16
  future, where a person can have children, they can have a
• 53:19
  family, and they can literally own a piece of that society with
• 53:23
  some real estate, with a house that they're able to live in.
• 53:26
  They're going to be far more likely to promote the long term
• 53:29
  health and well-being of the country and be more invested in
• 53:31
  its survival and and flourishing because they own part of it.
• 53:36
  Who treats a building better, the renter or the owner?
• 53:38
  I mean, it's it's a no brainer. We all know this.
• 53:41
  Part of what the sexual revolution is actually done is
• 53:44
  it's taken marriage, it's taken sexual relationships.
• 53:47
  And this is going to sound kind of crass because it's a rough
• 53:50
  analogy, but it's taken it from like an owner relationship to a
• 53:53
  renting relationship. You don't own each other anymore
• 53:55
  because you're not married. You don't belong to each other.
• 53:57
  It's like a rental agreement. Well, are you going to treat
• 53:59
  each other as well? Obviously not.
• 54:01
  You can use and discard as soon as you no longer want to be with
• 54:04
  the personal agreement. Exactly.
• 54:05
  Not even like. And you know what?
• 54:07
  You're right. Because it's a great analogy
• 54:09
  being. Together, outside of marriage.
• 54:11
  You're right, thank you, but I I like yours better.
• 54:13
  It's gross motel. And here.
• 54:15
  It actually gets darker. We went from marriage being an
• 54:18
  ownership agreement and then with no fault divorce.
• 54:21
  We turned marriage into a renter's agreement.
• 54:24
  So dating and having sex outside of marriage.
• 54:26
  That is like the CD motel arrangement where you don't care
• 54:28
  about the place tomorrow. But right now no one has a
• 54:31
  belief that they really are going to retain any of what they
• 54:35
  build, so why bother building it?
• 54:38
  Imagine if when you signed a mortgage.
• 54:43
  There was a little. Clause in there and this existed
• 54:46
  on every mortgage document of every bank in the country and it
• 54:49
  said they're going to pay a mortgage for this house.
• 54:52
  But if someone wealthier than you comes along and says that
• 54:56
  they're going to give the bank a better interest rate, they can
• 54:58
  buy the house out from under you and kick you out or rent it back
• 55:02
  to you. We would say that's not a free
• 55:04
  country because you can't undercut contracts like that and
• 55:08
  you can't create an environment where people don't feel they
• 55:10
  have a true ability to invest in their own future.
• 55:14
  OK, now imagine this. You could marry someone and
• 55:18
  spend 15 years with them and have children with them, and
• 55:21
  then they can run off with another person.
• 55:23
  Any society that allows that is not a free society.
• 55:26
  Things like that are going to happen from time to time, but if
• 55:29
  you've built up legal infrastructure for that to
• 55:32
  become a regular occurrence, you don't have a free country.
• 55:36
  And whether your marriage lasts is actually way more important
• 55:39
  than whether or not you have a house.
• 55:40
  If you're a cheater, then you. Need to not get anything.
• 55:44
  Yeah. I mean, I think that's what it
• 55:45
  comes down to like because it's there's so much on the on the no
• 55:49
  fault divorce. We could go down, but I think if
• 55:51
  you're if you're if it's cheating, if that's what is the
• 55:54
  reason for this marriage being in disarray and it's an
• 55:57
  unrepentant cheater because I do think marriages can recover even
• 56:01
  it's a controversial opinion, but I.
• 56:02
  Agree, I think, and that's a that's a radically Catholic
• 56:04
  position. A lot of people don't see that
• 56:05
  in our culture. And I know Protestants translate
• 56:07
  the Bible a little bit differently with adultery, the
• 56:10
  root word there. When Christ talks about
• 56:12
  situations where I guess we wouldn't call divorce, we'd say
• 56:15
  an annulment is permissible. There's this word used, porneia,
• 56:18
  which they translate as adultery.
• 56:20
  But we as Catholics understand or refer to like an impurity in
• 56:23
  the actual form and matter of how the marriage occurred.
• 56:26
  So, So, yeah, we don't believe that being cheated on after you
• 56:30
  got married means the marriage never existed, whereas that is
• 56:34
  the belief of many people in our society.
• 56:35
  Sorry, I totally interrupted you.
• 56:36
  No, I no, I think it's a very. It's a great distinction that
• 56:39
  you're making. So, but in terms of, you know,
• 56:41
  divorce policy, it, it, it is, it is a great tragedy that
• 56:45
  somebody can be a cheater, be someone of, you know, just
• 56:49
  switch, change their mind, pursue selfishness.
• 56:52
  In my family tree, there's someone that, you know, I love
• 56:55
  very much. Not immediate family, of course,
• 56:57
  thankfully, and nothing like one step for me, but longer family
• 57:00
  tree. That infidelity was part of the
• 57:03
  the case and devastating to everybody involved.
• 57:06
  Right, And what should societies posture be towards that?
• 57:09
  You do you. Yep.
• 57:11
  Like just leave the wreckage behind.
• 57:13
  Go get the divorce. I mean, even if you didn't.
• 57:15
  Even if you didn't cheat, divorcing is infidelity unless
• 57:18
  there's grave cause. Like if there's a reason why you
• 57:20
  truly need to move out and financially separate because
• 57:23
  there's some horrifying abuse, Yeah.
• 57:25
  That's different. But leaving because you've just
• 57:28
  decided you're sick of the marriage is infidelity because
• 57:31
  you're not staying faithful to your oath.
• 57:33
  And we as a society have built up an infrastructure that
• 57:36
  doesn't make that perfectly effortless for people.
• 57:38
  Yeah, you got to go to court and you got to get lawyers, and it's
• 57:40
  really expensive. But it should be way harder than
• 57:42
  that. It should not be something that
• 57:43
  you're able to do unless you have a very, very serious
• 57:46
  reason. And so how can we be a free
• 57:50
  society if our marriages aren't stable?
• 57:52
  If, again, we didn't have stable banking contracts, it would be
• 57:57
  the end of the world. And people would be talking
• 57:58
  about the United States like it was a third world country
• 58:00
  because billionaires can just come in and take everything from
• 58:03
  you. But anyone could theoretically
• 58:05
  sweep in and steal your spouse from you.
• 58:07
  And it's actually perfectly legal.
• 58:09
  And we don't make it that much of A hassle for them to leave
• 58:11
  the marriage. That's a very serious problem.
• 58:14
  Well, I would recommend if someone.
• 58:15
  Is afraid that their spouse is going to do that to them then
• 58:18
  like they're dating someone they're don't don't marry you
• 58:21
  don't want 100% trust. That's also why it's so
• 58:23
  important to have a very Catholic view of marriage,
• 58:24
  because you're more discerning about who you get married to
• 58:28
  when you recognize that there's no way out of this.
• 58:30
  But then I think the other part. Of it is not always being at war
• 58:32
  with the other sex because I think it can be so easy in the
• 58:35
  social media day and age to just see the other sex as bad, like
• 58:39
  man bad, woman bad, you know, and that is misogyny and
• 58:43
  misandry. Like those are real things and
• 58:45
  those are real. Things.
• 58:46
  And their temptations to people who have been hurt, that's
• 58:49
  exactly. And a lot of people are hurt
• 58:50
  out. There, a lot of people are hurt.
• 58:52
  Because we're not living in ways that are in accordance with our
• 58:55
  dignity. And like you mentioned, we're
• 58:58
  sort of treating members of the opposite sex like our
• 59:01
  relationship with them as a night at a cheap hotel instead
• 59:04
  of as a person who we really love and value and care for.
• 59:08
  And that results in a tremendous amount of pain for people.
• 59:11
  And not to be cliche, but hurt people, hurt people, as they
• 59:14
  say. And.
• 59:18
  What often happens? Is people who want to sew
• 59:20
  division will take the worst examples of the opposite sex and
• 59:25
  then they'll put that out to the public and promote it very
• 59:30
  loudly with the goal of getting your average person to see that
• 59:34
  and go, well, if the opposite sex acts that way, why do I have
• 59:38
  to live up to the standards that are set for me?
• 59:41
  And so a lot of these differences and difficulties
• 59:46
  that we're seeing between the sexes, they are real.
• 59:49
  And I don't mean to minimize that, but you got to ask
• 59:51
  yourself the question, what percentage of this is stuff I'm
• 59:54
  seeing online versus stuff I'm seeing in real life because
• 59:56
  that's really, really important. And also who are my friends?
• 59:59
  Because I think, well, a lot of times when people.
• 1:00:01
  Complain about the opposite sex. They're confessing to bad taste.
• 1:00:04
  No, that's an interesting. Take.
• 1:00:06
  I think it's true, yeah. Well, like if you mean if you.
• 1:00:08
  Date if you're if you're dating and you said they're always
• 1:00:11
  cheating on me, It's like who are who are all these people
• 1:00:13
  you're dating who you had such bad luck.
• 1:00:15
  I dated a lot before I got married.
• 1:00:16
  I. Did not always get cheated on,
• 1:00:18
  right? Never got cheated on as far as
• 1:00:20
  I'm aware. But yeah, taking responsibility
• 1:00:23
  for the. Choices that we can make, that
• 1:00:25
  we do have. Because at the end of the day,
• 1:00:28
  when it comes to love, there's a freedom there.
• 1:00:30
  We can choose who to date. We can choose who to marry.
• 1:00:32
  If anyone's forcing you to date or marry, that's wrong, you
• 1:00:35
  know, tell me what's going on. Let me help you get out of like
• 1:00:38
  whatever servitude you're in. There's help available.
• 1:00:40
  I know there's help available. I mean, if you're being
• 1:00:42
  trafficked, there truly is help available.
• 1:00:44
  But you should not see we're against.
• 1:00:45
  That use your free will but. But develop your own character
• 1:00:48
  and your own formation so you have wisdom about who to date
• 1:00:52
  and then who to marry eventually.
• 1:00:53
  And I'm not trying to dismiss. Actual concerns people point,
• 1:00:55
  like people will point out that things that men or women
• 1:01:00
  respectively are doing in this culture that they've become
• 1:01:02
  habituated towards, that are very serious problems.
• 1:01:05
  So that's also why I'm saying it's not just bad taste or it's
• 1:01:09
  not just what you're seeing online.
• 1:01:11
  We live in a broken culture. It's a broken culture that also
• 1:01:15
  exists within the context of the very fallen world.
• 1:01:17
  So ugly, horrible things happen. You can't let it make you
• 1:01:20
  bitter, though, and you can't end up in this kind of class
• 1:01:23
  warfare. And that's ultimately what it
• 1:01:24
  is. What Marxists do when they
• 1:01:26
  invest the society is they turn groups that are supposed to be
• 1:01:29
  working together into competing classes.
• 1:01:31
  So this is what happens most obviously with economic matters.
• 1:01:35
  It becomes labor versus capital, when the reality is labor and
• 1:01:37
  capital are supposed to have a symbiotic relationship.
• 1:01:40
  They're supposed to work with one another, they're supposed to
• 1:01:42
  appreciate one another, and they're supposed to see the
• 1:01:45
  dignity and value in each other's station and in each
• 1:01:48
  other as human beings. Similarly, when it comes to the
• 1:01:52
  relationship between people and their government, the government
• 1:01:55
  and the people are supposed to recognize each other with
• 1:01:58
  dignity, recognize the value in each person's station
• 1:02:00
  respectively. And then finally, of course, the
• 1:02:02
  most fundamental building block, which is marriage, is built upon
• 1:02:05
  men and women having a mutual understanding, love and respect
• 1:02:08
  for each other. But they have been turned into
• 1:02:10
  competing classes. I wanna.
• 1:02:12
  Ask you, though, back to the economic thing.
• 1:02:14
  Yeah, libertarianism. You used to be a libertarian,
• 1:02:17
  right? A hardcore libertarian, I.
• 1:02:19
  Was an capitalist like I was like I was a most libertarian.
• 1:02:21
  You're so different now you're. Like, well, you know, the Anrend
• 1:02:24
  approach is not necessarily the right thing because.
• 1:02:27
  So I wanna actually address this because I do think the right is
• 1:02:29
  moving more towards, I would call it maybe more balance when
• 1:02:33
  it comes to economic policy, but I don't think we're leading
• 1:02:36
  confidently yet in that space. And when I say we, I say it with
• 1:02:39
  a little bit of a, a little bit of a hesitation because I don't
• 1:02:44
  like going out there being like, I'm on the right, you're on the
• 1:02:46
  left. Even though it can be useful,
• 1:02:48
  use the language sometimes to talk about ideas.
• 1:02:50
  It's also dangerous because right now the right includes
• 1:02:54
  abortion, at least in the first, you know, IVF.
• 1:02:56
  Yeah, so. We're who do who do we belong to
• 1:02:59
  Seamus? You know, like who are we now
• 1:03:00
  anymore? Because the left and the right
• 1:03:03
  is not supporting core principles.
• 1:03:06
  And I think a lot of work can be done on the right to hopefully
• 1:03:09
  solve that. I pray for the left to I mean, I
• 1:03:11
  pray for Democrats to become pro-life again.
• 1:03:12
  They used to be pro-life back in the day.
• 1:03:15
  So, you know, no one's too far gone, right, right.
• 1:03:18
  Stranger conversion story. Gavin Newsom will convert.
• 1:03:21
  He will. No, I think.
• 1:03:23
  So I. Do I act?
• 1:03:24
  Gavin Newsom? I pray.
• 1:03:25
  For Gavin. Newsom OK, that's good.
• 1:03:28
  I do pray for our enemies, you know, because he but he he he is
• 1:03:31
  he was raised Catholic. He has a traditional family.
• 1:03:35
  I mean he has like 4 children, which is unheard of by many
• 1:03:38
  families today. I know, I know.
• 1:03:39
  So I. Think anyways.
• 1:03:41
  I think, but I hope you're right.
• 1:03:43
  I think that's very sweet, but Bernard Nathanson converted.
• 1:03:45
  To the faith and to pro-life and he was a he was a radical
• 1:03:49
  atheistic abortionist that committed 40,000 abortion.
• 1:03:51
  So all convert he was slaughtering.
• 1:03:53
  Christians. I converted, yeah.
• 1:03:55
  And I'm a Sinner. I'm a Sinner.
• 1:03:57
  No, I'm. A Sinner, not a murdering
• 1:03:59
  Christian. And I'm still a Sinner, but I'm.
• 1:04:00
  Converting every Of course, we all killed Christ with our.
• 1:04:02
  Sin, and for any of us to convert is a beautiful miracle.
• 1:04:04
  And so I agree with you that we should not say anyone's beyond
• 1:04:07
  conversion. I shouldn't laugh.
• 1:04:08
  It just wasn't what I expected to hear.
• 1:04:10
  But I think you're right, and I think you're welcome on the show
• 1:04:12
  anytime. Absolutely.
• 1:04:15
  And you're welcome on Freedom Tunes You well.
• 1:04:17
  He's already on Freedom Tunes, right?
• 1:04:19
  That's right. I've already done cards, OK.
• 1:04:20
  Wait a minute, all that. We got to take a pause.
• 1:04:22
  We're going to talk about libertarians in just a moment.
• 1:04:23
  Yes. Can you do a Gavin Newsom?
• 1:04:25
  Have you done Gavin? Newsom is not very good.
• 1:04:27
  I just speak in like a generic raspus.
• 1:04:28
  The guy that has like a raspy voice.
• 1:04:30
  I just sort of do that, but I don't really know how to sound
• 1:04:32
  like, can you do Donald Trump? And it's not good but.
• 1:04:34
  I can there's like kind of two Trump's.
• 1:04:36
  There's like the lower register kind of like this, some people
• 1:04:39
  who say sad. And then there's the very like
• 1:04:43
  Tim Pool is a very bad man. There's sometimes you get to
• 1:04:47
  that higher, raspier register, but my Trump impression is not
• 1:04:51
  very good, but way better than mine could ever.
• 1:04:53
  Be It's funny because. I have to do the voices mostly
• 1:04:58
  by myself because we make these cartoons in a matter of days,
• 1:05:03
  which for those who don't know, like that's unheard of in the
• 1:05:05
  animation industry. And it's really hard to get
• 1:05:08
  people who live in other parts of the country to get a last
• 1:05:11
  minute line delivery from you. Because sometimes as I'm
• 1:05:13
  uploading a video, it'll be like, we got to get this video
• 1:05:15
  up in an hour. And I just thought of a new joke
• 1:05:16
  and I got to put that in there. Can't do that with the male
• 1:05:19
  voice actors. So I pretty much do all of the
• 1:05:22
  male voices. And so my Trump, even though
• 1:05:26
  it's not very good, it just had to be me.
• 1:05:27
  But it's it's gotten to the point where I I've brought other
• 1:05:31
  people on who are better Trump impressionists who are like
• 1:05:33
  professional Trump impressionists to do Trump.
• 1:05:35
  And fans have gotten mad because they're like, yeah, but he's not
• 1:05:38
  freedom tunes Trump. Like there is a specific freedom
• 1:05:41
  tunes Trump character in people's minds now, I guess.
• 1:05:44
  And that's the one who they need me to voice, I guess.
• 1:05:48
  Give me a Biden. Although we got to pray for
• 1:05:51
  Biden. Too.
• 1:05:52
  He's very sick. Well, man, you got to what the?
• 1:05:55
  Marshallows was a bad. Dude and.
• 1:05:57
  He ran a bunch of bad boys and what so the corn pop thing like
• 1:06:01
  the his corn pop speech, are you familiar with it?
• 1:06:04
  Only through you. Joe Biden.
• 1:06:06
  'S corn pop? I think I've watched your corn.
• 1:06:08
  Pop. But this is my Gettysburg.
• 1:06:10
  Address like this is my favorite speech any president's made.
• 1:06:14
  I haven't memorized He went. I learned a lot and I learned
• 1:06:18
  how to it makes it makes a difference.
• 1:06:22
  And this was the diving board area.
• 1:06:24
  And if you fell off your head on the day on the darn cement and
• 1:06:27
  back in those days, Joe, how things had changed.
• 1:06:30
  You were pomade in your hair. You had to wear a bathing cap
• 1:06:33
  and Corn Pop was a bad dude and he ran a bunch of bad boys.
• 1:06:40
  Yes, this is real. This is what he said.
• 1:06:42
  Yes, this is a real Joe Biden speech.
• 1:06:44
  And he goes and he's screwing around a diving board.
• 1:06:47
  And I said, hey, Esther, you get off the diving board.
• 1:06:49
  I'll come up and drag you off. No, yes, this was in 2019 on the
• 1:06:55
  campaign trail. I'll come up and drive you up.
• 1:06:57
  And he said, I'll be waiting for you so you can be waiting for
• 1:07:00
  me. This when he was still running
• 1:07:01
  in 2019. And the story, so that the story
• 1:07:04
  is that this guy named Corn Pop at a pool that Joe Biden was a
• 1:07:08
  lifeguard at, threatened Joe Biden with a rusty straight
• 1:07:12
  razor and had a gang of people. And the way Joe Biden has this
• 1:07:16
  quote, he goes, here's Joe, he goes.
• 1:07:18
  He says. To the audience, like they're
• 1:07:19
  like he's like, remember straight razor used to bang it
• 1:07:22
  on the curb? Get it rusty.
• 1:07:23
  Put in a rain barrel, get it rusty and and he goes and I
• 1:07:26
  talked to Bill Wright Mouse. He was the pool guy and then he
• 1:07:29
  was the only white guy and he did all the pools and I, I, I
• 1:07:32
  said, what am I going to do? He said, you go up to him and he
• 1:07:35
  say, hey man, you may cut me, but I'm going to wrap this chain
• 1:07:37
  around your head if you don't. You said that I'm not kidding.
• 1:07:41
  And he won. Well, did he win?
• 1:07:43
  Did he win right in the primaries?
• 1:07:45
  Hi man, Oh my gosh, this is in the.
• 1:07:47
  Primaries. And so the story, how did I miss
• 1:07:50
  that? I I guess it was.
• 1:07:50
  COVID or no, I was having a baby.
• 1:07:52
  I don't know. This 2019?
• 1:07:53
  Yeah, I was having a baby. I had a baby.
• 1:07:55
  The story literally ends with Joe Biden going out to meet Corn
• 1:08:01
  Pop and his gang with their rusty straight razors.
• 1:08:05
  No, this literally happened. I'm telling you, Joe Biden told
• 1:08:08
  this actual story and we animated it.
• 1:08:10
  We took the clip of him saying it.
• 1:08:13
  We didn't edit it and we just animated the story over him
• 1:08:18
  telling it. We did not make this up.
• 1:08:20
  That is crazy and. The way the story.
• 1:08:22
  Ends is he goes out there with a chain that this guy named Bill
• 1:08:26
  Wright cut for him and he told Corn Pop that if you cut me, I'm
• 1:08:30
  going to wrap this chain around your head as one does as one.
• 1:08:34
  Does in corn. Pop asked him to apologize for
• 1:08:37
  calling him Esther Williams. As he should.
• 1:08:38
  As he should. And Joe Biden.
• 1:08:40
  Did and then he closed the he says he closed the straight
• 1:08:43
  razor. My heart began to beat again.
• 1:08:44
  That's I'm not kidding you. Real Joe Biden story, my
• 1:08:47
  Gettysburg Address, one of the best things I think a
• 1:08:49
  president's ever said. For sheer entertainment value,
• 1:08:52
  that is up there with the. Gettysburg Address, and I will
• 1:08:55
  say this. Was a This was a consistent
• 1:08:57
  thing through Biden's presidency because.
• 1:09:01
  By mid. 2019 I was like bored of writing him because there's only
• 1:09:06
  so many times you can write someone saying nonsensical
• 1:09:09
  things and have it still be funny.
• 1:09:10
  And so the first two or three videos we did of him were pretty
• 1:09:14
  funny. And then I was like, I can't.
• 1:09:16
  Keep doing this. Because it feels hackneyed and
• 1:09:19
  because it's not making me laugh.
• 1:09:22
  Because you would take actual. Things that he was saying well,
• 1:09:24
  so here's the. Thing not at 1st.
• 1:09:26
  At first I was just writing dialogue because that's usually
• 1:09:28
  what you do when you write an impression of someone.
• 1:09:30
  You write something that it sounds like they would say.
• 1:09:32
  And so I was writing things that sounded like things Joe Biden
• 1:09:34
  would say. And it was all like kind of
• 1:09:36
  senile, demented non sequiturs that didn't map on to reality.
• 1:09:40
  And it's a little bit funny at first, but then it gets to the
• 1:09:42
  point where it's like, this is the same joke over and over.
• 1:09:44
  It's just ha, ha. It's funny how random that was.
• 1:09:47
  And So what I started doing was I just started combing through
• 1:09:51
  hours and hours of Joe Biden footage and getting actual Biden
• 1:09:54
  quotes. And so through the entire Biden
• 1:09:57
  presidency, for the most part, basically all of our cartoons
• 1:10:00
  that featured him were using real audio clips of him
• 1:10:04
  speaking, that we would sentence mix, that I would set, mix and
• 1:10:07
  cut together to make it sound like an actual cohesive
• 1:10:11
  conversation. And so I had to come through
• 1:10:13
  hours and hours and hours of Biden audio.
• 1:10:15
  So I pretty much know every quote.
• 1:10:17
  I have a very intimate knowledge of Joe Biden.
• 1:10:20
  Yeah. Yeah, you can say.
• 1:10:21
  That how did you I know we we. Totally got sidetracked again
• 1:10:24
  but I got to keep asking about Thanks for the impression it was
• 1:10:26
  hilarious but how did you how do you manage like for example,
• 1:10:30
  President Trump you have endlessly impersonated done
• 1:10:33
  impressions of him but you I think what I like about your
• 1:10:38
  stuff Sheamus is like I can see this goal that you have of being
• 1:10:42
  balanced nuance true blue your faith but then also in politics
• 1:10:46
  it can be so divisive and unfair like shots below the belt all of
• 1:10:50
  that and I think with freedom tunes you know with Donald Trump
• 1:10:55
  as an example and we should you know give respect to different
• 1:10:58
  offices. President Biden was our
• 1:11:00
  president needs respect for the office of the president.
• 1:11:03
  Now it's President Donald Trump. I think again, that also has
• 1:11:05
  lost a lot of time. So not say you can't make comedy
• 1:11:08
  about it, but there's there's a lot of nuances here.
• 1:11:10
  But when we when you were dealing with Trump, how did you
• 1:11:12
  handle that? Because there is so much room
• 1:11:13
  for comedy, right? He is a funny guy actually,
• 1:11:18
  objectively, yeah. And I feel.
• 1:11:20
  Like when I'm in a Trump headspace, you're doing an
• 1:11:22
  impression of Trump. I just riff in ways that usually
• 1:11:25
  end up being funnier than what I wrote, and so we'll put that in
• 1:11:27
  the video. One thing I firmly believe is
• 1:11:29
  that if an impression is going to work, you actually have to
• 1:11:31
  like the person you're doing an impression of to a certain
• 1:11:33
  degree, which might sound strange because they're human
• 1:11:35
  impressions of Yeah, like I've done impressions of Bernie
• 1:11:39
  Sanders and Joe Biden and a lot of people who I think are very
• 1:11:42
  bad people, but you think they're bad.
• 1:11:46
  People or you disagree with their policy.
• 1:11:48
  I think they're bad people there.
• 1:11:49
  There's some people whose like policy I disagree with.
• 1:11:51
  Would you say Trump is a bad? Person.
• 1:11:53
  I think that Trump. Is a flawed person.
• 1:11:55
  I think that Trump has a good heart, but I think he's he's got
• 1:11:57
  some policies that are disastrous.
• 1:11:59
  And I can't speak to his moral character at every point in
• 1:12:03
  time, But lately he's been making a lot of noises that have
• 1:12:06
  suggested a lot of little of introspection we haven't seen
• 1:12:09
  from him before. So when he's saying things like
• 1:12:10
  I'm thinking a lot about getting to heaven and I don't know if
• 1:12:12
  I'm going to make it in, to me, hearing somebody say that is
• 1:12:15
  it's a green flag because, all right, this person recognizes
• 1:12:18
  they don't deserve to go to heaven, which is something we
• 1:12:20
  should all be aware of, that if we do get in, it's literally a
• 1:12:23
  gift. And so even though Trump is a
• 1:12:26
  flawed person, I don't think he's a bad person.
• 1:12:28
  And I think there are, by the way, I think there are people on
• 1:12:30
  the left who are confused, people who I wouldn't say are
• 1:12:34
  bad people. There's a difference between
• 1:12:36
  someone who has a an improper understanding of the issues
• 1:12:39
  because they've been brainwashed by the media and someone who's
• 1:12:42
  out there celebrating the fact that Charlie Kirk was murdered.
• 1:12:45
  Of course, Yeah. And I think like the Bernie
• 1:12:47
  Sanders, like, again, I haven't studied Bernie Sanders closely.
• 1:12:51
  I actually met him, weirdly at a White House party.
• 1:12:55
  It was very brief. It wasn't like we had to sit
• 1:12:56
  down and chat it all out, you know, whatever.
• 1:12:58
  But you didn't convert him. I.
• 1:13:00
  Mean I was. I was.
• 1:13:01
  Like I'm, I was like trying to like see if I can get a rise out
• 1:13:04
  of him, like politely, you know, and I didn't really like he was,
• 1:13:07
  you know, he shuffled off. I kind of shuffled off.
• 1:13:09
  But he you know, someone like him, right?
• 1:13:12
  He's a true blue old school democratic socialist.
• 1:13:15
  I think he would write. Doesn't he call himself proudly?
• 1:13:17
  He's like the he's like the OG, you know, AOC like looks up to
• 1:13:21
  him historically and everything else.
• 1:13:24
  Is he a bad person? How do we know?
• 1:13:26
  Right? Well, I mean, his policies are
• 1:13:27
  terrible. Exactly his policies.
• 1:13:29
  Are terrible. Whether someone is a good or bad
• 1:13:31
  person, whether whether we can assess their moral character
• 1:13:34
  from a distance is obviously impossible.
• 1:13:36
  In the same way that we just don't know any individual
• 1:13:38
  person's heart. And we can't judge anyone on the
• 1:13:41
  level of saying whether someone's going to heaven or not
• 1:13:43
  because ultimately that's known only to God.
• 1:13:45
  And we'll be very surprised by who ends up in heaven and who
• 1:13:48
  ends up in hell. We don't know.
• 1:13:49
  We have no idea. There's people who we we can't
• 1:13:52
  possibly imagine going to heaven, who will There's people
• 1:13:54
  we can't possibly imagine going to hell who will.
• 1:13:56
  It's just not for humans to know.
• 1:13:58
  And so you're right that on a certain level we can't.
• 1:14:01
  But I think when it comes to making a judgement call about a
• 1:14:03
  specific person and whether or not you trust them and whether
• 1:14:06
  you would have to say or whether you would say they were a good
• 1:14:09
  or bad person if you were forced to bet on it.
• 1:14:13
  And I would say that anyone who supports late term abortion, and
• 1:14:16
  it's not, it is bad. And it's not because other forms
• 1:14:20
  of abortion aren't evil. It's just that I can understand
• 1:14:23
  why someone could be confused about abortion early on.
• 1:14:27
  But once it gets to the point where literally everyone on the
• 1:14:29
  planet agrees that that's a baby and you're still in favor of
• 1:14:32
  killing them, it's hard for me to find a way of justifying that
• 1:14:37
  that allows you to be a good person.
• 1:14:39
  I'll just be frank about that. It's a special darkness.
• 1:14:42
  It's a special darkness. And it's just as much of A crime
• 1:14:45
  to kill a baby the second after conception.
• 1:14:48
  I'm not arguing otherwise, but I'm saying if I have to judge a
• 1:14:52
  person on the basis of the decisions they're making, and
• 1:14:55
  I'm taking into account, as a matter of prudence, the
• 1:14:59
  potential emotional reaction they might have to the visible
• 1:15:02
  reality, it's a special darkness of the.
• 1:15:05
  Intellect. Exactly.
• 1:15:06
  I can imagine. Being confused by the visible
• 1:15:09
  reality of the very early stages of pregnancy.
• 1:15:12
  Even though it's not sound logic, I can understand being
• 1:15:15
  confused, but when you can see that it is a fully formed baby
• 1:15:18
  and you still support killing that child, to me I just can't
• 1:15:23
  consider you a good person. And maybe that's judgmental, but
• 1:15:26
  I also don't usually speak of it in those terms.
• 1:15:29
  I think it's evil. It's.
• 1:15:31
  Not evil supporting. That is evil.
• 1:15:33
  And I'm also. Talking specifically about
• 1:15:34
  politicians too. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:36
  No, I. Think, I think that that is I, I
• 1:15:39
  totally hear you and I, I think I, and I'm only pressing on that
• 1:15:42
  because no, it's fair. It's a fair question because.
• 1:15:44
  I think in. Politics like saying you are
• 1:15:47
  evil is tricky. I think that that people can't
• 1:15:50
  be evil because they can. But you could absolutely say
• 1:15:53
  this is evil or you are an evil doer.
• 1:15:56
  You know, I and it's for, for all of Trump.
• 1:15:59
  'S flaws, I think, and there's a lot that's great about him too,
• 1:16:03
  but I I think the best thing he ever said, the best argument he
• 1:16:08
  ever made and the most rhetorically effective I've ever
• 1:16:11
  seen him was in 2016 when he was debating with Hillary and
• 1:16:15
  abortion came up and he described 1/3 trimester abortion
• 1:16:20
  and asked whether she was OK with that.
• 1:16:22
  And she began to rattle off the textbook talking points about
• 1:16:26
  how I think this should be between a woman and her doctor.
• 1:16:30
  And Trump doesn't invoke the Embryology.
• 1:16:34
  He doesn't go into a further graphic description.
• 1:16:37
  He doesn't start making arguments about how parents need
• 1:16:40
  to provide for their children. He just says that's awful and
• 1:16:42
  you should be ashamed. That is the exact right
• 1:16:46
  messaging when someone has just told you they're OK with killing
• 1:16:49
  an unborn baby, especially at that stage.
• 1:16:52
  And so I think you're right. There's an effectiveness in just
• 1:16:54
  calling something evil. There's an effectiveness in just
• 1:16:56
  saying that's a very bad thing to do.
• 1:16:58
  Part of why the left has been so successful in the culture war,
• 1:17:02
  aside from their total dominance and entertainment media, is the
• 1:17:05
  fact that even though they're completely morally backwards, at
• 1:17:08
  least in rhetoric, they frame this as good versus evil.
• 1:17:12
  And Republicans tend to frame thing as frame things as this
• 1:17:16
  person's confused or they're not educated enough, but their
• 1:17:19
  hearts in the right place. Everyone wants to claim that
• 1:17:21
  politics only became savage recently, but the reality is
• 1:17:24
  it's just that the Republicans didn't start to play dirty until
• 1:17:26
  recently. I remember in the 2012 election
• 1:17:28
  when Mitt Romney was being called a Nazi and Biden said he
• 1:17:31
  wanted to put black people back in chains.
• 1:17:33
  And you're like Mitt Romney really.
• 1:17:36
  So that rhetoric, for all of the moral hypocrisy that exists
• 1:17:41
  there for the left, it was effective and it is effective.
• 1:17:43
  And that's, that's why Republicans started doing it.
• 1:17:46
  And that's why it's a good thing Republicans have to say this
• 1:17:48
  policy is evil. I think you're you're right that
• 1:17:51
  there's a certain nuance or distinction about when you're
• 1:17:53
  talking about a person specifically that I personally
• 1:17:56
  probably need to think through more because I don't have a
• 1:17:58
  specific answer at this exact moment for whether I think
• 1:18:00
  that's appropriate. I think I think it would depend.
• 1:18:03
  I think it would depend. I think at some point it is fair
• 1:18:06
  to just go, this is a bad person.
• 1:18:07
  But I, we need to flesh out a little bit more exactly what
• 1:18:10
  circumstances I would reserve that for, right?
• 1:18:13
  And I. Think that point you're making
• 1:18:14
  about calling everybody like calling Mitt Romney a Who called
• 1:18:18
  Mitt who called Mitt Romney a Nazi?
• 1:18:21
  It was repeatedly done by. The media.
• 1:18:23
  It was like Rachel Maddow types. Yeah, I, I, I know that like.
• 1:18:26
  It's funny because that's the other thing, all these people.
• 1:18:28
  Online, who are trolling will call everybody everything.
• 1:18:31
  Literally everybody everything. Yeah, but like, even like
• 1:18:33
  family. Guy was doing jokes about Mitt
• 1:18:35
  Romney being a Nazi specifically, or like McCain
• 1:18:37
  Palin. Actually, they had a famous joke
• 1:18:38
  where the they go back in time and they're in Nazi Germany and
• 1:18:41
  Stewie's got a Nazi uniform on and he pulls it open.
• 1:18:43
  There's like a McCain Palin sticker in there.
• 1:18:45
  He's like, oh, that's weird. So it's not new.
• 1:18:47
  They've been calling Republicans Nazis forever.
• 1:18:49
  What's so sad about that? Though is they've sort of, it
• 1:18:53
  loses it. If everybody's a Nazi, then
• 1:18:55
  nobody's a Nazi. But then there's actually people
• 1:18:57
  who believe things that the Nazis believe.
• 1:18:58
  So what do you do with those people?
• 1:19:00
  Well, and that's the other. Thing is, this is something that
• 1:19:03
  people cringe out a little bit because unfortunately the right
• 1:19:07
  has bought into left wing framing and they've done things
• 1:19:10
  like they've said, you know, the left are the real racists or the
• 1:19:12
  left are the real Nazis or whatever.
• 1:19:14
  Instead of just rejecting accusations of racism and Nazis
• 1:19:17
  them all together. But the truth is, the truth is,
• 1:19:21
  if you look at the core doctrines of fascism, like the
• 1:19:24
  belief that nothing of value, human or spiritual, can exist
• 1:19:26
  outside the state, or that the state has a high, the highest
• 1:19:28
  authority and has a higher moral authority than the church, those
• 1:19:32
  are beliefs that line up more with what mainstream Democrats
• 1:19:35
  say than what mainstream Republicans say.
• 1:19:37
  And Tim Kaine was chastising some official in the Trump
• 1:19:40
  administration recently for saying that our rights come from
• 1:19:43
  God. Tim Kaine's supposed to be
• 1:19:44
  Catholic, and he's sitting there and he's saying the belief that
• 1:19:47
  our rights come from God is what they believe in Iran.
• 1:19:51
  Oh, that's bad, that's painful. But did he go to Catholic?
• 1:19:54
  School. Probably, probably.
• 1:19:57
  Unfortunately, the other. Devastating thing about.
• 1:19:58
  All of this well and so my point.
• 1:20:01
  With this is at the same time that they're complaining, you
• 1:20:04
  know, about the rise of Nazis. I'm calling every Republican a
• 1:20:06
  Nazi. They're embracing a vision of
• 1:20:08
  human rights, which is fundamentally A fascist vision
• 1:20:11
  of human rights, which is that your rights are what the state
• 1:20:13
  tells you that they are. Your rights are not an objective
• 1:20:16
  moral reality that the state either fails or succeeds at
• 1:20:19
  recognizing. Yes, and I.
• 1:20:21
  I think it's also a dangerous thing when everybody's calling
• 1:20:25
  everybody a racist or a Nazi to then say, well then there are no
• 1:20:28
  racist or Nazi. So it's like it's a, it's.
• 1:20:31
  A just a mess. Right.
• 1:20:32
  Because if everything is evil all the time, then nothing is
• 1:20:35
  evil. But then there is evil and you
• 1:20:37
  and you have to call it out and you have to not pretend like
• 1:20:40
  it's not there. So I think that this is where
• 1:20:43
  like sound judgment, you know, good reason, you know,
• 1:20:46
  developing our conscience, developing our intellect, right?
• 1:20:49
  These are, I think, essential projects of every human person,
• 1:20:53
  regardless of how you currently identify.
• 1:20:55
  Left, right, whatever. We should pursue truth.
• 1:20:57
  And that is the only path to getting out of any of the chaos.
• 1:21:00
  Well, and the truth is a person. And that person is Jesus Christ.
• 1:21:03
  So it's more than just a set of abstractions.
• 1:21:05
  The closer you come to truth, the closer you get to Christ,
• 1:21:09
  ultimately. And going back to what you were
• 1:21:12
  mentioning a little bit earlier about how the Republican and
• 1:21:14
  party is changing a bit and it's become more willing to embrace
• 1:21:18
  policies that might seek to use the state to create some kind of
• 1:21:22
  social safety net. To sort of bring this first full
• 1:21:25
  circle on that. I think that it's essentially
• 1:21:29
  another way of saying that the right is becoming more Catholic,
• 1:21:31
  at least in certain areas, not in all areas, but there's hope
• 1:21:34
  there. One of the reasons so many
• 1:21:37
  Catholics voted for Democrats for as long as they did is
• 1:21:41
  because they saw the Democratic Party as the party of the
• 1:21:44
  worker. And then once the Democrats
• 1:21:48
  began to become a pro abortion party, Catholics were forced to
• 1:21:52
  leave. But that didn't make the
• 1:21:53
  Republican Party perfect. It just meant that the
• 1:21:55
  Republican Party was the least bad party on the most important
• 1:21:59
  issue. And that's still what it is.
• 1:22:00
  Even though the Republican Party I think has changed for the
• 1:22:02
  worst in a number of ways in the abortion issue, they're still
• 1:22:05
  the least bad and it is still the most important issue.
• 1:22:09
  But that doesn't mean A, that our work is done on other issues
• 1:22:14
  either. So our work is not done on
• 1:22:15
  abortion. We need we need to do everything
• 1:22:17
  we can to maintain a strong pro-life movement on the right.
• 1:22:20
  B, we have to build out some of the other pro family
• 1:22:23
  infrastructure. And we got to recognize that
• 1:22:26
  that is tied to the pro-life movement.
• 1:22:27
  But what we got to be really, really careful about is not
• 1:22:31
  doing it in a way where we make our specific policy preference
• 1:22:37
  that we believe will help the family, something that's put on
• 1:22:41
  the same level and given the same moral weight as the
• 1:22:44
  abortion issue itself. So this is something I see
• 1:22:47
  happening. And you mentioning that calling
• 1:22:49
  everything evil is a strategy that backfires triggered this in
• 1:22:54
  me. Because what the left will often
• 1:22:56
  do is they'll say, you know, you call yourself pro-life, but then
• 1:23:00
  you support cutting food stamps or whatever it is.
• 1:23:03
  Even if we want to argue that cutting food stamps is an evil
• 1:23:05
  thing to do, it's not as evil as killing a baby.
• 1:23:08
  And even though I agree we need some social safety net and of
• 1:23:12
  course, I also think we need to reform food stamps to a large
• 1:23:15
  degree, I would say that it's important at the local level to
• 1:23:19
  have infrastructure to care for poor people.
• 1:23:21
  But I want to be very careful about saying people who don't
• 1:23:24
  see my specific vision for that are evil.
• 1:23:26
  But I think that's a lot of what's happened is like on minor
• 1:23:29
  economic disagreements about the role of the welfare state will
• 1:23:32
  say that person's evil. They want poor people to die
• 1:23:34
  when in many cases there is just a genuine prudential
• 1:23:37
  disagreement over a matter of opinion.
• 1:23:40
  I think that's that's. Very well said.
• 1:23:42
  I also think that there are some people who don't care about poor
• 1:23:46
  people and who are saying we don't like, like you need to
• 1:23:50
  work. You know, you like, you're
• 1:23:52
  you're homeless or you're down and out because of your fault,
• 1:23:55
  so you should be punished by just staying in that state and,
• 1:23:57
  you know, pick yourself up by your own bootstraps just period.
• 1:24:01
  Right. So, like, abolish food stamps.
• 1:24:03
  Abolish, just abolish that. And again, this is a minority.
• 1:24:05
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:06
  But but that's who the left is caricaturing, right?
• 1:24:08
  That's also true. So they're.
• 1:24:10
  It's a. Caricature of the other side
• 1:24:11
  which you know or what? What also.
• 1:24:13
  Happens though is when you have to do the unpleasant work of
• 1:24:16
  pointing out the fact that they're is some large number of
• 1:24:19
  people who are homeless by choice.
• 1:24:21
  You're accused of being the kind of person who does not want to
• 1:24:23
  help the homeless and so that's difficult especially as a young
• 1:24:26
  man. If you talk to homeless people,
• 1:24:27
  one of the first things many of them say to you is don't do
• 1:24:30
  drugs, stay away from alcohol, which is interesting because if
• 1:24:33
  they were just kept on by the system, they wouldn't say that.
• 1:24:36
  They would say the system kept me down.
• 1:24:37
  But they always, they always give advice on some kind of life
• 1:24:40
  choice that you can make. Now, again, importantly, just
• 1:24:43
  because someone's in their position because of bad
• 1:24:45
  decisions doesn't mean we want to leave them there.
• 1:24:47
  So we we got to do what we can to help these people, but we
• 1:24:50
  also don't want the left to strip the homeless of their
• 1:24:53
  humanity by idealizing them in inappropriate ways and idolizing
• 1:24:56
  them or infantalizing them and fantalizing.
• 1:24:59
  Them. Yeah, they turn.
• 1:24:59
  Them into Oliver Twist character, they turn them into
• 1:25:01
  Charles Dickens characters where you go.
• 1:25:03
  This is not true to reality. And we got to remember that
• 1:25:09
  Christ loved us and loves us and died for us even though we're
• 1:25:12
  all very difficult to deal with. And so the people he calls us to
• 1:25:16
  love are also going to be very difficult to deal with.
• 1:25:19
  And if you've dealt with the homeless people like they are
• 1:25:22
  difficult to deal with. And the more starry eyed someone
• 1:25:25
  is about homelessness and the more they buy into this rhetoric
• 1:25:28
  that a lot of young bleeding heart lefties will spout, the
• 1:25:33
  more it tells me that they have not dealt with homelessness or
• 1:25:35
  homeless people at all. People think the issue of
• 1:25:37
  homelessness is like, oh, well, we're not putting these people
• 1:25:39
  in houses. No, there's just all sorts of
• 1:25:40
  antisocial personality disorders that can be brought on either by
• 1:25:43
  genetic factors, trauma, or drug issues that manifest themselves
• 1:25:47
  in ways such that a person becomes incapable of caring for
• 1:25:50
  themselves. And the reality that no one
• 1:25:51
  wants to contend with is the solution to that is involuntary
• 1:25:54
  commitment to a mental institution in many cases.
• 1:25:57
  And people will say, you're so cruel and horrible for saying
• 1:25:59
  that, but do you want a mentally ill person out on the streets
• 1:26:02
  around hypodermic needles and screaming at innocent people?
• 1:26:06
  It's just not merciful for anybody.
• 1:26:07
  But in the 1970s we de institutionalized and it's
• 1:26:11
  interesting because you see at that same time homelessness and
• 1:26:15
  then also these random acts of violence and massacres that we
• 1:26:19
  see both begin to increase because we don't put mentally
• 1:26:24
  ill people in mental institutions anymore.
• 1:26:26
  That is a great. Topic we should explore more on
• 1:26:29
  this show, and I have looked at that a little bit and obviously
• 1:26:33
  there can be terrible abuses in mental institutions, but at the
• 1:26:36
  same time is the charitable thing to do, to do what we've
• 1:26:40
  done, which is just let people literally die on the streets.
• 1:26:43
  Like in San Francisco, they literally are dying on the
• 1:26:45
  streets and dying on the streets and also killing.
• 1:26:47
  People on the streets, it's devastating.
• 1:26:48
  Doesn't work for anybody. But I.
• 1:26:51
  Want to know why you're not a libertarian anymore?
• 1:26:53
  Because you're a cat going all over the place.
• 1:26:55
  I'm sorry. No, no, no, you're right.
• 1:26:57
  Because yeah, no, there's a few reasons for that.
• 1:27:00
  So when I met you, you were kind of.
• 1:27:04
  Coming off of libertarianism, yeah.
• 1:27:06
  But you still had a couple spikes.
• 1:27:08
  I think you said you were a Catholic libertarian.
• 1:27:10
  I said that, but now you're not. Even saying libertarian, what I
• 1:27:13
  said was I was gone. Well, to be clear, I never.
• 1:27:17
  Liked I ran my libertarianism was a specific approach to state
• 1:27:21
  function and not necessarily a product of believing in what Ayn
• 1:27:25
  Rand had to say. A lot of what she said was
• 1:27:27
  actually Satanic. She said it like, I will not
• 1:27:29
  serve. Basically.
• 1:27:31
  It was like at the heart of her philosophy, which is not good.
• 1:27:34
  So. But when you're in college,
• 1:27:36
  it's. Yeah.
• 1:27:36
  You're like, yeah, that's right. I'm major.
• 1:27:38
  I was an extra in a movie that was made about her just for fun.
• 1:27:41
  Like I was in college. I was like, we're all my friends
• 1:27:43
  were like, it's so cool. I never thought she was cool,
• 1:27:46
  but it was fun to like be a part of this movie.
• 1:27:48
  Well, it's funny because I. Didn't like what she said, but I
• 1:27:50
  thought that she who was impressive as an individual
• 1:27:52
  person just having escaped communism and then writing one
• 1:27:54
  of the best selling books of all time, that's you can't take that
• 1:27:56
  away from her. That's very impressive, but it's
• 1:27:59
  not about iron. And actually I used.
• 1:28:03
  To say that I was. As libertarian as the
• 1:28:06
  Magisterium of the Catholic Church allows.
• 1:28:08
  That was my position at that point.
• 1:28:10
  I remember that, yeah. And so that's how I would.
• 1:28:12
  Describe it. And what happened was as I
• 1:28:15
  became more invested in my faith and frankly just learned more
• 1:28:20
  about Catholic political theory and philosophy, I came to
• 1:28:24
  realize that there were certain age-old Catholic ideas that
• 1:28:30
  either weren't compatible with libertarianism or presented some
• 1:28:34
  kind of specific optical challenge to maintaining the
• 1:28:40
  libertarian label. So what I mean by that is the
• 1:28:43
  classically liberal understanding of what rights
• 1:28:46
  are, and this lines up with the libertarian set of beliefs about
• 1:28:49
  it, is more or less that rights kind of exist as an end unto
• 1:28:55
  themselves. Whereas my understanding of
• 1:29:01
  Catholic teaching is. Rights exist.
• 1:29:05
  In order to facilitate the faithful execution of the duties
• 1:29:10
  relative to your state and life or necessary to you given your
• 1:29:15
  state and life. So that's the first thing to
• 1:29:18
  consider is that it's not as if you have these rights and then
• 1:29:21
  you can do whatever you want with them and you incur certain
• 1:29:25
  duties as a result. You actually just have certain
• 1:29:28
  duties by virtue of the fact that you're made in the image
• 1:29:30
  and likeness of God and He has a certain plan for your life.
• 1:29:34
  And in order to fulfill those duties you have to exercise
• 1:29:38
  certain rights. So I have a duty to speak the
• 1:29:41
  truth. Therefore I have a right to
• 1:29:44
  speak. I have a duty to protect my
• 1:29:47
  family. So I have a right to bear arms,
• 1:29:49
  to owe weapons, to own weapons. I have a duty to provide for my
• 1:29:53
  family. So I have a right to trade with
• 1:29:56
  freedom and to work a job and provide for them with my labor.
• 1:30:01
  So, and with every single right, there's a corresponding duty at
• 1:30:06
  its origin point. And this is something I'm going
• 1:30:09
  to come back to in a little bit actually as the conversation
• 1:30:11
  continues because I think this applies to a number of issues
• 1:30:15
  that we overlooked today. But for now, I'll leave it at
• 1:30:20
  this. When I first came to understand
• 1:30:22
  that, it was a little bit of a challenge because even though
• 1:30:25
  maybe on the level of how the state administrates, that could
• 1:30:29
  still be compatible with libertarianism.
• 1:30:33
  If I articulated that particular view of what rights are like,
• 1:30:36
  every libertarian I knew would say, no, that's not true and
• 1:30:40
  that's not how we understand rights.
• 1:30:41
  And I have these rights because I can kind of do whatever I
• 1:30:43
  want. I'm not trying to caricature
• 1:30:44
  libertarians. Many of them are extremely
• 1:30:46
  responsible people who who aren't just going out and doing
• 1:30:49
  foolish or selfish things. My point is just that their
• 1:30:52
  conceptualization of where rights come from is
• 1:30:54
  fundamentally different from mine as a Catholic.
• 1:30:57
  So that was that was the first thing.
• 1:30:58
  And then the second thing was as I was wrestling with this, I had
• 1:31:05
  a conversation with Matt Fradd. I met him for the first time.
• 1:31:09
  He was giving a talk at a church in the city that I lived in.
• 1:31:13
  This is back in 2019. And I let him know about my
• 1:31:17
  situation. I was like, hey, man, I'm
• 1:31:19
  YouTube, I'm a cartoonist. I've got like 320,000
• 1:31:22
  subscribers. I've built my whole career on
• 1:31:23
  this. This is what I do for a living.
• 1:31:25
  And people know me as libertarian.
• 1:31:26
  And I'm not entirely sure if I can be a libertarian, a faithful
• 1:31:30
  Catholic. So I'm trying to understand the
• 1:31:31
  intersection between those value systems and whether I can
• 1:31:35
  maintain a kind of libertarian position or not.
• 1:31:38
  And the first thing he says is, well, the Catechism says the
• 1:31:40
  production and distribution of pornography has to be banned by
• 1:31:43
  civil authorities. And I went, that's not very
• 1:31:46
  libertarian. It's like, I guess, I guess I'm
• 1:31:49
  not libertarian because even if I agree with libertarianism on
• 1:31:54
  other issues, the moment any libertarian finds that I'm in
• 1:31:56
  favor of banning porn, they're going to go, this guy's not a
• 1:31:59
  real libertarian, right? So I went, all right.
• 1:32:02
  And it's funny because that issue hadn't even come up for
• 1:32:05
  me. And what I would have said if it
• 1:32:07
  had come up in my very rampant libertarian days is, you know,
• 1:32:11
  one day when I own the the Freedom Tunes company town as
• 1:32:15
  the the CEO in my own privately owned community, I would ban
• 1:32:20
  porn. But like, I don't think the
• 1:32:22
  government has the right to ban anything.
• 1:32:24
  Basically, my view as a libertarian was that the only
• 1:32:27
  time the government had any role in intervening was if violence
• 1:32:31
  was occurring. And so this is what's known as
• 1:32:34
  the non aggression principle. It's basically the belief that
• 1:32:36
  violence is only acceptable as a response to violence.
• 1:32:41
  And so activities like reducing pornography are argued to be
• 1:32:45
  nonviolent and therefore banning it is using the state in a
• 1:32:49
  violent way. And therefore you're being
• 1:32:51
  violent against peaceful people. That's essentially the political
• 1:32:54
  theory, which as I mentioned, is incompatible with Catholicism
• 1:32:56
  for a number of reasons. But I just wasn't aware of that
• 1:32:58
  at that point. And so I moved away from that
• 1:33:00
  and I think at that point I just became more open minded.
• 1:33:03
  I did about certain social programs and I still tend to be
• 1:33:08
  extremely skeptical of them. It's not as if I stopped being
• 1:33:10
  libertarian. And then everything I learned
• 1:33:11
  about economics over the the several years preceding that
• 1:33:14
  left my head because, you know, I worked with the Foundation for
• 1:33:17
  Economic Education, which is a very libertarian economics think
• 1:33:21
  tank for years. I worked with them for eight
• 1:33:22
  years, actually. And, and we just stopped
• 1:33:25
  producing a show together really recently because on economic
• 1:33:28
  issues, I think the libertarians have a great descriptive model,
• 1:33:32
  but I don't think their prescriptions are great.
• 1:33:34
  I don't think what they say we should do with that description
• 1:33:36
  is great. So the short of it is, I do
• 1:33:39
  believe as Catholics, it is important to have some social
• 1:33:43
  safety net for the poor, but also that has to be kept in
• 1:33:47
  lined with subsidiarity and ensuring that that is done at
• 1:33:50
  the most local possible level. Because as you're talking about
• 1:33:52
  the level of competence that we have in government, it doesn't
• 1:33:55
  matter for the most competent, competent person in the world,
• 1:33:58
  California, it's just too big. It's too big for one
• 1:34:01
  administrative state to oversee every single poor person being
• 1:34:07
  provided for efficiently. And then something at the
• 1:34:09
  federal level that's way too big.
• 1:34:12
  And food stamps specifically, before Biden went into office,
• 1:34:15
  there were like 17 million people on it, and now it's 40
• 1:34:17
  million people. So we know the program's
• 1:34:18
  ballooning and we know it needs to be reformed.
• 1:34:19
  But we also know that's never going to happen at the federal
• 1:34:21
  level because the incentive is such that you're going to get
• 1:34:23
  people to vote for you or not vote for you based on whether
• 1:34:26
  you give or cut benefits. So the whole thing's a mess.
• 1:34:29
  Sorry that. Was a lot.
• 1:34:30
  It's messy. No, it's.
• 1:34:31
  Good. I think those are really, it's
• 1:34:33
  great. Thank you for sharing your
• 1:34:34
  thought process because I think it's very illuminating for other
• 1:34:36
  people who are thinking seriously about these things.
• 1:34:38
  And I think everybody should be thinking seriously about this
• 1:34:40
  because back to politics, I think we are going to need to
• 1:34:44
  and back to young people and them voting left and again, the
• 1:34:48
  left and right like framework is problematic in and of itself
• 1:34:52
  because what is it even? It's not like the right is
• 1:34:53
  always good and the left is always wrong.
• 1:34:55
  So that's another thing that we kind of already touched on, but
• 1:34:58
  I think we need to be leading with pro family policy that is
• 1:35:01
  economically wise. Let's smart that is in line with
• 1:35:05
  the dignity of the human person and at the end game is upholding
• 1:35:08
  the dignity of the human person. What does that look like?
• 1:35:11
  I remember 20 years ago in conservativism when I was like
• 1:35:14
  very young and 1st learning about this stuff or maybe 15
• 1:35:16
  years ago when I was in college and people would talk about how,
• 1:35:19
  you know, we don't shouldn't have it.
• 1:35:20
  Should we even have, you know, any social safety net that's run
• 1:35:26
  by the government? Oh, no, get rid of.
• 1:35:28
  Just have the church do everything, everything.
• 1:35:29
  And it's like, yes, the church should do a lot.
• 1:35:32
  It's our responsibility. But the government, I think,
• 1:35:34
  does have a role. And the question is, so the big
• 1:35:37
  question is what role, right. It should be smaller than it is.
• 1:35:40
  I think largely speaking, the government, there is too much
• 1:35:43
  bloat in the government. Supporting things that are, you
• 1:35:46
  know, evil, like contraception and abortion is disgusting.
• 1:35:49
  Like that's a no brainer. But then what do we do?
• 1:35:51
  Yeah, No, I think you're right. And who's having the?
• 1:35:53
  Conversations, I think we need more of those conversations.
• 1:35:56
  Well, you you mentioned. The left, right paradigm that we
• 1:36:00
  exist in today. And one thing I like to bring up
• 1:36:03
  because a lot of people get lost in this, a lot of people don't
• 1:36:05
  even know where it actually comes from.
• 1:36:07
  We get these terms from the French Revolution.
• 1:36:09
  And so the left comes French fries, the left right.
• 1:36:14
  It all comes out of France. Thank goodness we don't use the
• 1:36:17
  metric system. It's too much.
• 1:36:18
  But you know, in in the French Revolution, the revolutionaries,
• 1:36:21
  the left, they were murdering priests and abusing nuns and
• 1:36:25
  killing lawful authority figures.
• 1:36:28
  And then the right wing movement was essentially a reaction to
• 1:36:31
  it. But the left existed to oppose
• 1:36:36
  the interests of the church and of the monarchy, of the
• 1:36:39
  legitimate state authority at that time.
• 1:36:41
  And then the right existed to oppose the left.
• 1:36:44
  And so I believe that framework more or less persists, which is
• 1:36:48
  to say the right is not the same as the church by any means.
• 1:36:52
  It's there to oppose the left, but it reacts to the left.
• 1:36:55
  So what the left says its goals are tend to be what the right
• 1:37:00
  defines itself based on. And so you can have really
• 1:37:04
  healthy, strong right wing movements that do root
• 1:37:06
  themselves. In Catholic philosophy, you also
• 1:37:09
  have right wing movements that are purely reactionary and say
• 1:37:12
  the left is doing this, so we're going to do the opposite.
• 1:37:15
  So This is why I try to help people see the nuance.
• 1:37:17
  It's not like left is is anti Catholic, right is Catholic.
• 1:37:22
  It's like left is anti Catholic and right is anti left.
• 1:37:25
  And sometimes in being anti left, the right will still do
• 1:37:27
  anti Catholic things. So we're not totally on that
• 1:37:31
  side. We just recognize that on
• 1:37:33
  certain issues, the right are natural allies.
• 1:37:37
  It's an interesting. Perspective, I think a lot of
• 1:37:39
  people on the left would say I don't identify at all with what
• 1:37:42
  you just said about, you know, going after priests and nuns.
• 1:37:45
  That's not me. You know, my leftism is like
• 1:37:47
  classic liberalism that is about freedom and speech and freedom
• 1:37:50
  of this and freedom of that and also caring for the poor, which
• 1:37:52
  again, sounds very Catholic. Yeah, No, it wasn't very.
• 1:37:55
  Catholic to people. But the French the the.
• 1:37:57
  In the French Revolution, they also said that they were doing
• 1:38:00
  this to promote fraternity and liberty and help the poor and
• 1:38:03
  promote rationality. And they ended up inflicting a a
• 1:38:07
  little genocide against the Von Day peoples.
• 1:38:10
  And so I don't doubt the sincerity of somebody on the
• 1:38:14
  left who says I don't want for those things to happen.
• 1:38:17
  But if you look at the historic record, it's not as if the
• 1:38:21
  French Revolution came and went and then every other time the
• 1:38:23
  left rose to power. They were good to Christians.
• 1:38:26
  They've always opposed Christianity and Christian
• 1:38:28
  thought. You look the most radical left
• 1:38:30
  wing movements that have ever existed and all of them have
• 1:38:32
  slaughtered Christians and so similarly.
• 1:38:37
  You could have somebody who. Says that they're a fascist and
• 1:38:39
  they say, well, I don't think that I would support a genocide
• 1:38:44
  against people. I just agree with the operating
• 1:38:47
  principle that on a pragmatic level the states the highest
• 1:38:49
  possible authority and it's possible for that person to
• 1:38:53
  genuinely mean that they don't want innocent people to get
• 1:38:55
  killed. But we still recognize that
• 1:38:57
  that's a rotten fruit. Like that, ideology is a seed,
• 1:39:01
  and even if you don't intend to take it in an ugly direction, it
• 1:39:04
  only grows that way. Yes, and if the right.
• 1:39:08
  Is unmoored in principle if it is always a reaction to whatever
• 1:39:11
  the left happens to do and the left is also I I like that's the
• 1:39:15
  thing like evil is is quick to unmor itself right like we the
• 1:39:19
  devil catches himself in his own snares and all the time and
• 1:39:22
  embarrasses himself like constantly right so I think
• 1:39:25
  that's another reality is like the left's goal posts are always
• 1:39:27
  moving. If the right is just one big
• 1:39:30
  reaction to the left, then it's goals, Goal posts will always be
• 1:39:33
  moving. And if we're just like going
• 1:39:35
  this way on the field towards the left's like part of the
• 1:39:37
  field, like just always like chasing the ball towards them,
• 1:39:39
  The sports analogy might not hold perfectly.
• 1:39:41
  Forgive me, guys. I'm like kind of wearing like a
• 1:39:44
  rugby to them. Like I don't know what I'm
• 1:39:45
  talking about. But what I do know is if we are
• 1:39:48
  defined by the left in terms of whatever the left is doing, we
• 1:39:51
  are opposing and we lose our foundations and our principles
• 1:39:54
  and and also just as importantly, we don't have what
• 1:39:56
  we're fighting for. We're always, if conservativism
• 1:39:59
  is always just conserving what happened 20 years ago.
• 1:40:01
  Oh my gosh, I know. That's what.
• 1:40:02
  It's become and we're completely lost.
• 1:40:04
  Completely like good luck with that civilization never getting
• 1:40:07
  out of its muck Admire like we're going to we're going to be
• 1:40:10
  in constant implosions until we've like devolved to
• 1:40:12
  nothingness. Well, it's, it's funny you
• 1:40:14
  should say. That about the righteous
• 1:40:15
  constantly chasing the left and defining itself in opposition to
• 1:40:18
  the left as opposed to on the basis of its own core
• 1:40:20
  principles. I was thinking about that today
• 1:40:22
  with respect to the discourse surrounding Sydney Sweeney.
• 1:40:25
  So she was just spoken. She just had an interview with
• 1:40:28
  some journalist. I saw that and it was a struggle
• 1:40:30
  session. Basically, the journalist is
• 1:40:32
  trying to accused her being a white supremacist for this
• 1:40:34
  advertisement that she made, and she basically refused to play
• 1:40:38
  the game. She said if I have an opinion on
• 1:40:40
  something, people are going to know about it.
• 1:40:41
  You know, in other words, don't accuse me of smuggling something
• 1:40:45
  in that I'm not trying to smuggle in, more or less.
• 1:40:47
  And I'm not going to play your game, which I respected.
• 1:40:50
  But of course, what's happened is because the left moved past
• 1:40:55
  the stage of the Cultural Revolution where they wanted to
• 1:40:57
  make it so that it was no longer stigmatized for women to a dress
• 1:41:03
  immodestly or B, for companies to profit millions, even
• 1:41:05
  billions of dollars off of the nude or near nude female form.
• 1:41:09
  And they then moved on to drag queen story hour and trans and
• 1:41:13
  kids. People think Oh well, 20 years
• 1:41:15
  ago when we were just using women's half naked bodies to
• 1:41:19
  sell soda and cars, polyester lingerie.
• 1:41:22
  Exactly like that was. Super based in red pilled and
• 1:41:25
  trad. And of course that's not the
• 1:41:27
  case. One of the saddest things about
• 1:41:30
  that whole situation too is this goes back to what we were saying
• 1:41:35
  earlier about beauty Sydney Sweeney's ad.
• 1:41:39
  It said good jeans and it's a play on words.
• 1:41:42
  Your jeans obviously in this context are referring to her
• 1:41:45
  appearance, like the jeans related to her appearance and
• 1:41:47
  she's wearing jeans. And part of the reason the term
• 1:41:49
  genes is threatening is because it refers to like an objective
• 1:41:52
  reality. The the claim is being made that
• 1:41:53
  this woman is just objectively attractive and that makes people
• 1:41:57
  feel threatened. And of course, they try to tie
• 1:41:59
  this up with Nazi dog whistles and claim that this was a
• 1:42:03
  covertly fascist gene advertisement.
• 1:42:06
  But what's what's really, really sad is.
• 1:42:11
  We live in a culture where Sidney.
• 1:42:13
  Sweeney is able to sell her body to be marketed and essentially
• 1:42:17
  corporate pimps are able to profit like millions, even
• 1:42:20
  billions of dollars off of the way her body looks.
• 1:42:22
  She's making a lot of money and she's.
• 1:42:24
  Making plenty. She's not some victim I'm not
• 1:42:26
  making. Her out to be a victim.
• 1:42:27
  At all. To be clear, I'm not making her
• 1:42:29
  out to be a victim at all. But what I'm trying to express
• 1:42:31
  is what a pornified culture ends up doing to the way that we
• 1:42:34
  understand women in the female form, which is she's able, as I
• 1:42:38
  mentioned, first to sell her body and make millions and
• 1:42:41
  millions of dollars. And then corporate pimps are
• 1:42:43
  essentially also able to profit off of that as well.
• 1:42:46
  And they have a diabolical, you know, mutually exploitative
• 1:42:48
  relationship. They're both doing something
• 1:42:51
  awful and so she's able to sell her body, they're able to profit
• 1:42:54
  off of her body and we're able to buy her body, but no one's
• 1:42:57
  able to call her beautiful. Like no one's able to say
• 1:42:59
  objectively, this is an attractive woman.
• 1:43:01
  Like she does have good genes. I find that to be a very strange
• 1:43:04
  place to draw the line. We're using this woman's body to
• 1:43:08
  sell products, right? We're literally using her form
• 1:43:12
  and her beauty in an inappropriate way.
• 1:43:14
  And yet we can't comment on the fact that the beauty's there in
• 1:43:16
  the 1st place. I guess I'm just sad that we.
• 1:43:18
  All took the bait and I think we all I I didn't so there's a ton
• 1:43:22
  of people who didn't take the bait but but the but the.
• 1:43:25
  Right. Just takes the bait.
• 1:43:26
  It's like, bring back Victoria's Secret.
• 1:43:29
  Wow. Wow.
• 1:43:29
  And I'm like, yeah, Victoria's Secret.
• 1:43:31
  I don't want my daughter watching that.
• 1:43:32
  I don't want my son watching that.
• 1:43:33
  Like, that's trash. I'm sorry.
• 1:43:35
  It's trash to have women walking around in lingerie publicly and
• 1:43:40
  make it some sort of like, like celebration of the female body.
• 1:43:42
  That's not what that is. You know, that is a lust show
• 1:43:45
  and that is an objectification show.
• 1:43:47
  Yeah. So.
• 1:43:48
  So for anybody on the right to be like, we're conservative
• 1:43:50
  values, oh, I can't believe the left took Victoria's Secret from
• 1:43:54
  us like. Like.
• 1:43:57
  Don't make that your gig like like like celebrate real beauty,
• 1:44:01
  you know, celebrate real art. But like to say Victoria's
• 1:44:05
  Secret, which was the the most trashy, classless like store in
• 1:44:09
  the mall. And you went in there kind of
• 1:44:10
  embarrassed when you were a young teen girl because you
• 1:44:12
  needed a bra and you were going to get like, but he's like kind
• 1:44:14
  of trashing classless. And that's now this sort of like
• 1:44:17
  emblem of femininity. Excuse me, no.
• 1:44:20
  Thank you. Yeah.
• 1:44:21
  Well, no Amen to that and. I really appreciate that.
• 1:44:24
  One of the first things you mentioned is that's not
• 1:44:25
  something you would want your daughter to see or be, or
• 1:44:27
  myself, obviously. Yes, but that's really
• 1:44:30
  important. Because what that demonstrates
• 1:44:31
  is that your ideals, your beliefs are not floating
• 1:44:35
  abstractions. They're Incarnate.
• 1:44:37
  They apply to real people in the real world.
• 1:44:39
  And so often when licentiousness is given.
• 1:44:45
  Political License. It's done in a very abstract
• 1:44:48
  way. Well, shouldn't women have the
• 1:44:50
  freedom to do what they want with their body?
• 1:44:52
  Whereas we actually should be speaking about things in a very
• 1:44:55
  relational and concrete way. Do you want your daughter doing
• 1:44:59
  that with her body? That's how you run a society.
• 1:45:02
  And I think women. Have a responsibility to guard
• 1:45:07
  our beauty and men have a responsibility to guard their
• 1:45:10
  beauty and women's beauty and women have a responsibility to
• 1:45:12
  guard men like we do. Have a responsibility for even
• 1:45:15
  the rib meat that protects the heart.
• 1:45:16
  Right, like Eve came from Adam's rib, and the rib protects the
• 1:45:19
  heart. And it's interesting because one
• 1:45:21
  thing I've seen a lot of recently, unfortunately, is
• 1:45:26
  women will. Like post.
• 1:45:27
  A romantic gesture made by a man which was kind of maybe clumsy
• 1:45:30
  or embarrassing. She'll post it to social media
• 1:45:33
  and people will make fun of this guy and you go like her
• 1:45:35
  boyfriend or or. Or no, some guy who was.
• 1:45:38
  Interested in she wasn't interested kind of mocking the
• 1:45:40
  guy or making fun of him. And part of what's at the root
• 1:45:46
  of that is our culture has totally destroyed any semblance
• 1:45:49
  of modesty. And I actually think like, I
• 1:45:51
  think women have been gas lit out of what was a very innate
• 1:45:55
  understanding of modesty because historically, it's been the case
• 1:45:58
  that women were more likely to want to cover what was hidden,
• 1:46:01
  whereas men were the ones who were more likely to want to
• 1:46:04
  strip down some of these norms. And now that's kind of reversed
• 1:46:08
  because of social engineering. But what I find, what I find
• 1:46:14
  really interesting about it is we are body soul composites.
• 1:46:19
  So the less modest we are with our bodies, the less modest we
• 1:46:24
  are with our souls and the less careful we are with other
• 1:46:26
  people's souls. Because if a man makes himself
• 1:46:30
  vulnerable to you in some way, he's actually showing you some
• 1:46:33
  part of himself that you're supposed to keep hidden.
• 1:46:35
  But God gave you a body that you're not keeping hidden.
• 1:46:38
  So why would you keep hidden the the precious bit of intimacy
• 1:46:42
  that this man gave you that's. AI think that there's definitely
• 1:46:46
  a connection there and that's coarsening.
• 1:46:48
  It's just a coarsening and that's also why I would.
• 1:46:50
  Say to men like you gotta, you know, in the same way that I'll
• 1:46:54
  tell women you got to seek out a man with virtue, you got to seek
• 1:46:57
  out a woman with virtue because you can tell by the way someone
• 1:47:01
  presents themselves to some degree whether they're going to
• 1:47:04
  have respect for you because you see whether they have respect
• 1:47:06
  for themselves. And I understand that we live in
• 1:47:08
  a culture where there are women who are otherwise good people
• 1:47:11
  who have been misled on whether certain outfits are are modest
• 1:47:14
  or not. But when it gets to the point,
• 1:47:16
  especially where it's an outfit that's even immodest by our
• 1:47:19
  cultural standards, that should be something you're definitely
• 1:47:22
  wary of, yes, I think. Modesty of speech and dress for
• 1:47:27
  both men and women, but it's different objectively for men
• 1:47:30
  and women because biologically we're different.
• 1:47:32
  And so I think that has been lost like in translation
• 1:47:36
  multiple times over because of the cultural chaos.
• 1:47:39
  But a resurgence of that without going to some sort of extreme, I
• 1:47:43
  remember my dad told me this when I was growing up and I
• 1:47:46
  always like I say it to other women, I think it's such a great
• 1:47:48
  piece of advice. We were talking about modesty
• 1:47:51
  and he was a good dad. He did the very best he could.
• 1:47:53
  And, you know, I was very grateful to be raised in the
• 1:47:55
  family I'm raised in. And I was figuring out what to
• 1:47:57
  wear and my mother, you know, and I would go shopping.
• 1:47:59
  But I remember sitting having a conversation because there were
• 1:48:01
  some fights with my mom about shirts.
• 1:48:03
  I remember at one point being a young girl, I don't remember all
• 1:48:06
  the details, but I remember my dad giving me this advice.
• 1:48:08
  And he also gave it to a girlfriend of mine.
• 1:48:10
  We were all talking about it with with my parents.
• 1:48:11
  And he said modesty is a cultural spectrum typically,
• 1:48:16
  right? So like, what's modest in one
• 1:48:18
  country historically might not be modest in another.
• 1:48:20
  Whatever society you're in, you want to veer on the side more of
• 1:48:24
  modesty than what is traditionally considered, you
• 1:48:27
  know, not modest, right? And you want to be more on the
• 1:48:30
  safe side, right? You don't want to be so extreme
• 1:48:32
  that you have to wear the burqa or like, you know, wear skirt
• 1:48:35
  down to the knee or down to the foot or whatever.
• 1:48:37
  But you want to see, OK, where's the society?
• 1:48:39
  Because also being Uber modest and I think people can do what
• 1:48:43
  they want in the end, in terms of like, if they really feel
• 1:48:45
  called to Uber modesty, then I, you know, I would say them pray
• 1:48:48
  about it, talk to a spiritual director.
• 1:48:50
  But that and of itself could be a stumbling block for your own
• 1:48:53
  self. Like I want to be so modest.
• 1:48:54
  I want to wear a burka, right? Well, I would advise a burka.
• 1:48:57
  It's also really funny because I knowing your dad, I have, again,
• 1:48:59
  I haven't been out this way in a while and haven't spoken in a
• 1:49:01
  while, but that's so funny because that's like exactly how
• 1:49:03
  he would say it. That's like a very and it's a
• 1:49:06
  20. It's a 20.
• 1:49:06
  Minute, you know, like wonderful, like, you know,
• 1:49:09
  beautiful, elegant. He's a very smart man.
• 1:49:11
  Very. Very smart man but but it stuck
• 1:49:13
  with me because it's like. Look at what the culture is
• 1:49:15
  doing and if people are wearing crop tops and you know, short
• 1:49:19
  shorts and everything else, like wear a shirt that covers your
• 1:49:21
  body, you can wear shorts, but don't wear a short that is a
• 1:49:24
  Uber short. Like it's just kind of use
• 1:49:26
  common sense, interesting and and a recognition of where the
• 1:49:29
  culture is and what is considered acceptable in the
• 1:49:31
  culture. And don't be an extremist.
• 1:49:34
  I think well, when it comes to the Uber.
• 1:49:35
  Modesty too. I again, I lived in Georgia for
• 1:49:37
  about 10 years and especially in a Latin Mass community, a lot of
• 1:49:41
  the women would just dress very modestly, stuffed down to the
• 1:49:43
  ankles. I thought it looked very nice.
• 1:49:45
  But I'll I'll add this. You're correct that different
• 1:49:49
  cultures will have a different understanding of what modesty
• 1:49:51
  is. And it can become difficult to
• 1:49:55
  discuss this because both sexes feel very condescended to in
• 1:49:58
  this conversation. Because women feel like, here's
• 1:50:02
  this man telling me how I should dress when he has no idea what
• 1:50:05
  kinds of fashions are available to women and what's going to
• 1:50:09
  look good on me. And he also doesn't understand
• 1:50:12
  the cost that it's going to have for me socially.
• 1:50:15
  And it doesn't cost him anything, right?
• 1:50:18
  But then and then the male perspective is like, here's this
• 1:50:21
  woman telling me like, what is or isn't a stumbling bot block
• 1:50:24
  for men when it comes to sexual temptation?
• 1:50:27
  And so we're very liable to just talk past each other instead of
• 1:50:30
  actually trying to seek mutual understanding.
• 1:50:33
  And part of why that mutual understanding, again, is
• 1:50:35
  difficult is because like you mentioned, it will change
• 1:50:38
  culturally and it in we are a pretty interconnected country,
• 1:50:41
  but we're not as interconnected as you might think.
• 1:50:43
  Different parts of the United States have different standards
• 1:50:47
  of modesty. So you can be having an argument
• 1:50:50
  with someone in your own country and you're you're like literally
• 1:50:52
  not going to agree on what is or isn't modest.
• 1:50:55
  I have kind of, and this is, I'm fortunate because my wife and I
• 1:51:00
  are on the the same page on this.
• 1:51:02
  And it's never, it's not really been a topic for us.
• 1:51:05
  But I think if I were to give just a very rough rule of thumb,
• 1:51:11
  and this is the strength and weakness of this rule of thumb
• 1:51:14
  is the subjectivity. Because again, different
• 1:51:16
  cultures have different standards.
• 1:51:18
  But also this is subjective. So I'm not giving you something
• 1:51:21
  objective, but I would say if there is a part of the female
• 1:51:25
  form that you would be disappointed to find your
• 1:51:28
  husband admiring on another woman, that's not a part of the
• 1:51:31
  female form that you should be showing to other men.
• 1:51:33
  Yeah, exactly. Now, again, the the weakness of
• 1:51:37
  that subjectivity is maybe you're fine with your husband
• 1:51:41
  looking at porn or something. It's unfortunate, but those that
• 1:51:44
  does happen and it exists the other.
• 1:51:46
  So you have to have a well reasoned like you have to have a
• 1:51:48
  basic, well reasoned understanding of modesty to
• 1:51:50
  begin with for that rule to apply.
• 1:51:52
  But I think that's the general rough rule that that I would
• 1:51:55
  suggest to people the other the other challenge.
• 1:51:57
  Though to nuance, it is if you have someone who doesn't have
• 1:52:00
  custody of the eyes, yes, then anything can become a stumbling
• 1:52:03
  block. It's true.
• 1:52:04
  Yeah. And that's also perverse.
• 1:52:05
  And so there's this, like you said, it's it's nuanced, right?
• 1:52:08
  Because it can't be 100% the woman's responsibility where she
• 1:52:12
  needs to literally cover every inch of her skin because
• 1:52:14
  someones wandering eyes who doesn't have custody and who has
• 1:52:17
  maybe is like, you know, there's a perversion even there where
• 1:52:20
  they're aroused by an ankle, right?
• 1:52:22
  Or something like this is. Are is now every.
• 1:52:26
  Woman responsible for that. So there's so much give and take
• 1:52:29
  care. It's interesting.
• 1:52:29
  We haven't actually deep. We have deep dived this on the
• 1:52:31
  show. We did a beautiful episode with
• 1:52:32
  Jessica Ray about modesty. It's probably due for enough.
• 1:52:36
  I'm getting into his English. She was like, why'd you pick me
• 1:52:38
  for this? No, no, no.
• 1:52:39
  I don't know how we got here. No, but it's great.
• 1:52:41
  I know it. Because I think it's an
• 1:52:42
  interesting topic, because it is something I've thought a bit
• 1:52:45
  about. And on Catholic Twitter there's
• 1:52:46
  a modesty discourse like every other week.
• 1:52:48
  I don't have to take. A look, yeah, people will get
• 1:52:50
  like. Mad at each other over this a
• 1:52:52
  lot and I've just noticed that it's very contentious and I
• 1:52:55
  think for the reason that I laid out, everyone ends up feeling
• 1:52:57
  like they're not being heard or understood on the matter.
• 1:52:59
  Well, I think. Avoiding extremes is good.
• 1:53:03
  Generally speaking, custody of the ICE for both men and women.
• 1:53:06
  Yeah. It's not like just men or just
• 1:53:07
  women need to have custody. Yeah, like you said, we're
• 1:53:10
  different. But there are still overarching
• 1:53:11
  rules that apply. Like a man's not really supposed
• 1:53:13
  to walk around shirtless, right? That's still bizarre.
• 1:53:16
  You shouldn't be doing that. And even though we don't, we
• 1:53:20
  usually think of male modesty as having more to do with speech,
• 1:53:25
  for example, or emotional modesty it it.
• 1:53:30
  There is still a physical modesty there.
• 1:53:31
  And of course, the emotional modesty is still important for
• 1:53:33
  women. So yeah, it's complicated and
• 1:53:37
  and I think a culture. Can get so perverse and so out
• 1:53:40
  of touch with human nature that it's almost flipped where, you
• 1:53:44
  know, sins that were more naturally a masculine sin or a
• 1:53:47
  feminine sin are now the opposite.
• 1:53:49
  Agreed. Because of just the, the culture
• 1:53:50
  being in total disarray. So, and, and the formation,
• 1:53:53
  human formation being so broken down.
• 1:53:55
  And that's also where it gets where it's like, is this a
• 1:53:56
  typically feminine vice or a typically masculine vice?
• 1:53:58
  And it's like, well, all of a sudden the men have the feminine
• 1:54:01
  vice and the women have the masculine vice.
• 1:54:03
  And then what do you do? It's a, well, it's kind of a
• 1:54:04
  spiritual transformation. Genderism, we, we see this too
• 1:54:06
  with you're right. I mean, we see this a lot with
• 1:54:10
  the way that women will even talk about men on television.
• 1:54:14
  So in so many television programs that are aimed at
• 1:54:18
  women, they have the starlets who are reading these lines
• 1:54:23
  discuss the way discuss the way that they're attracted to
• 1:54:27
  specific men in this kind of like caricature of how you might
• 1:54:33
  imagine a chauvinist from the 60s would talk about women so
• 1:54:36
  messed up where it's just like really a very but men did that
• 1:54:38
  about women. It would be.
• 1:54:40
  So crazy. That's so messed up.
• 1:54:41
  But it's also like. It's not natural and it's
• 1:54:45
  forced, but I think some women feel they need to be that way to
• 1:54:51
  fit in. It doesn't really come to them
• 1:54:53
  naturally, but because this is how women are shown to talk with
• 1:54:57
  their girlfriends about men on television, and because there is
• 1:55:02
  a social ostracism that a woman will face from a female friend
• 1:55:06
  group if they feel that she's out of step with their values, I
• 1:55:09
  think a lot of women feel pressured to discuss men in
• 1:55:12
  those in those ways when it's actually not natural for them.
• 1:55:15
  I I agree. I.
• 1:55:16
  Don't know exactly what you're referring to because I haven't
• 1:55:18
  watched whatever that is, but I'm imagining especially if it's
• 1:55:21
  crass or sexual or explicit. But I think saying.
• 1:55:25
  This person is handsome. This person is beautiful is
• 1:55:27
  totally normal, you know, so you can do it in a creepy way, or
• 1:55:31
  you can do it in normal and be like, this is a beautiful human
• 1:55:33
  being, right? So it's there's so much nuance
• 1:55:35
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• 1:55:38
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• 1:55:41
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• 1:55:43
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• 1:55:46
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• 1:55:48
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• 1:55:50
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• 1:55:52
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• 1:55:54
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• 1:55:56
  Talk about that. We did have Kevin Roberts
• 1:55:58
  actually on the show a couple years ago and I was one of our
• 1:56:00
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• 1:56:02
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