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Mbye Njie, CEO of Legal Equalizer, Inc., a mobile app that allows users to capture police encounters · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: He's an activist and founder of Legal Equalizer and mobile
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  Speaker 1: app that allows users to capture police encounters after being
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  Speaker 1: pulled over, automatically notified loved ones in real time, provide
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  Speaker 1: information on legal right it's involving that encounter, and received
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  Speaker 1: legal advice at the saint on the scene, which is
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  Speaker 1: really important nowadays. It contains laws for all fifty states,
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  Speaker 1: allows you to record or go live with someone. By
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  Speaker 1: is originally from Gambia, West Africa, and moved to US
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty when he was just nine years old.
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  Speaker 1: Since living in the US, By has dedicated countless hours
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  Speaker 1: to helping others, including volunteering at homeless shelters and the
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  Speaker 1: local churches, as well as helping with the Fair Fight
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  Speaker 1: and New Georgia projects. Please work with the money making
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  Speaker 1: conversations the first time. I love what he represents. He's
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  Speaker 1: a techie, but a legal, a game changer. I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to say, please work on to money making conversation by job.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing pretty good with my friend? I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you taking the time to be on the show. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Where you're so you're based in Atlanta, Georgia. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: actually just recently moved moved this weekend to Davidson, North Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: which is my alma mater. So the school gave me
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  Speaker 1: a grant to come up here and work on the
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  Speaker 1: app with some students and have the students learned how
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  Speaker 1: to be entrepreneurs and helped them with that. So I
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  Speaker 1: just moved up to North Carolina, right north to Charlotte.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm normally in Atlanta. That's whole. Well, I'm very
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  Speaker 1: familiar with the Queen City. That's what Uh, that's what Charlotte,
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina is called a good food, good people. But
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  Speaker 1: you're back in Atlanta and it's good food and good
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  Speaker 1: people here too, and you have an app. So once
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  Speaker 1: said the word app or somebody who engaged in developing
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  Speaker 1: the app, the word techie comes up. Oh, do you
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  Speaker 1: have a tech background? I do not. That's the funny thing.
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  Speaker 1: I have no background in tech at all. So I've
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  Speaker 1: had to get people that could code and do all
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  Speaker 1: of that stuff to get the app done for me. Now,
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  Speaker 1: why was it important to create this app? Because I
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  Speaker 1: read in the bio kind of like what the incidents
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  Speaker 1: in St. Louis and going to young man lose Michael
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  Speaker 1: Brown at the time that that it was didn't infuriate you?
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  Speaker 1: Did it angry? To make you angry? To make you
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  Speaker 1: feel helpless? What led to that? What were the emotions
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  Speaker 1: that was running through your your mind and your body
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  Speaker 1: at the time. It was a combination of a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of things for us, So it was that you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was angry, um, nervous, uh, sad, you feel helpless? Um.
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  Speaker 1: And for me during that time Mike Brown and in
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  Speaker 1: the subsequent incidents afterwards, what really got me was that
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  Speaker 1: feeling also of always when anything happened, it was always
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  Speaker 1: gonna be um, what did they do wrong? What did
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  Speaker 1: this person do wrong? Instead of you know, asking, okay,
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  Speaker 1: what where's the video, where's the where's the proof of
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  Speaker 1: what happened? So I really got tired of every time
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  Speaker 1: we saw a young, un armed black person get shot,
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  Speaker 1: get beaten up, get anything happened to them, it was
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  Speaker 1: always going back to check on their past to see, hey,
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  Speaker 1: how did they escalate the situation, rather than ask, okay,
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  Speaker 1: what the officer who has the power? What could they
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  Speaker 1: have done to be escalated that situation? How could that
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  Speaker 1: move differently? So that was really the feeling. And it's
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  Speaker 1: just that frustration of over and over in the cycle
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  Speaker 1: that's happened over and over again. Um. You know, since
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  Speaker 1: I've came here as a seven year old kids from Gambia,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can name you countless names from Rodney King,
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  Speaker 1: you know that was a year after I got here,
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  Speaker 1: right too, you know, Sean Bell to Oscar Grant to
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  Speaker 1: Amagiallo to you know, so we can just keep going
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  Speaker 1: names after name after name of this happening consistently. So
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  Speaker 1: when Mike Brown happened, it was just after that time
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  Speaker 1: was like I'm fed up. And for me personally, I've
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  Speaker 1: Forest Service and the Council. Well, you know, so you
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  Speaker 1: feel that you basically have been stopped for being black,
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  Speaker 1: as they say, you know, you know, the police stopping
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  Speaker 1: you because you're black. I know I've been stopped, uh
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  Speaker 1: and I have cars that so why are you stopping me?
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  Speaker 1: You know? And it makes you feel defense lists to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the walkers through the steps. So because as
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  Speaker 1: an African American male especially, we all have different experiences.
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  Speaker 1: We all look at the police differently. I know, myself
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  Speaker 1: when the police stop me is like the number one
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  Speaker 1: question is okay, fear. Fear goes through my mind, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fear on the Okay, how do I get away from this?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just talking about my side of the story. By Uh,
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  Speaker 1: how do I make sure I leave this moment alive?
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  Speaker 1: That's really crazy? I'm talking like this. I'm educated man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a successful man. I live in a upper up
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  Speaker 1: in the upper tier neighborhood. I drive up with tier cars. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and so, but here I am being stopped. And just
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  Speaker 1: recently I was stopped in Atlanta and de Luke and
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  Speaker 1: and uh, when you pulled me over, you know, put
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  Speaker 1: the digitent to made sure my hands won't the stair wheel,
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  Speaker 1: I asked him. He asked me for my my auto insurance.
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  Speaker 1: I said, do you mind I gotta reach over here
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  Speaker 1: and look into my glove compartment and he said fine.
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  Speaker 1: I did that. There was no sudden rush to go
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  Speaker 1: over there, because I don't know how he's going to react.
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  Speaker 1: That is my experience, And of course eventually I was
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  Speaker 1: allowed to move on the second time I was cop stopped,
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  Speaker 1: I was in the vehicle and the that officer was white.
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  Speaker 1: The other officers black. He talking about, Uh, my type
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  Speaker 1: of vehicle was in a hit and run accident. Of
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  Speaker 1: course I didn't have a dent on my car. Why
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  Speaker 1: are you stopping me? Brother? You can just walk around
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  Speaker 1: to what what did you not say hit and run?
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  Speaker 1: Because I didn't have attitude. I'm trying to get away,
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  Speaker 1: not by okay, but you just say hit and run? Though, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I said, can you look around my vehicles seeing the damage?
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  Speaker 1: Walked around, y'all don't see anything. I said, Can I go?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can go, you go, you go. But
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  Speaker 1: these are the type of things that people of color,
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  Speaker 1: especially African American men, have to deal with. Tell us
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  Speaker 1: some of your experiences and what runs through your head
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  Speaker 1: by when you're stopped by the police, black or white
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  Speaker 1: police officer. You explained a lot of it. It's you know,
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  Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, I've never been the war,
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  Speaker 1: but I kind of understand what. So just talk about
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  Speaker 1: how PTSD feels. Like I was saying, it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the same experiences that you have. You described exactly
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  Speaker 1: what I've been through. Um, it's the PTSD feeling of
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  Speaker 1: your hand starts sweating, you get nervous, you know, you've
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  Speaker 1: got nothing wrong, and you're still wondering, are they gonna
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  Speaker 1: put those lights on or they're gonna pull me over?
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  Speaker 1: If they do pull me over, what they're gonna pull
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  Speaker 1: me over for? What kind of excuses it? So I've
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  Speaker 1: had everything where I've been pulled over from um. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, the first time, when I was twelve years
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  Speaker 1: old on an academic team trip in South Georgia. My
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  Speaker 1: team was predominantly a bunch of black kids. We had
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  Speaker 1: a few white kids on there, and then the other
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  Speaker 1: middle schools there were almost all black. And we were
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  Speaker 1: outside playing cards outside the hotel and they came there
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  Speaker 1: and they told us that, oh, yeah, there was a
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  Speaker 1: robbery here in the area, and you guys fit the
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  Speaker 1: description of the robber. Come to find out, it was
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  Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old person. I was like six five,
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  Speaker 1: two hundred forty pounds, and here we are a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of middle school kids. Nobody called them five six, nobody
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  Speaker 1: way more than a hundred and fifty pounds. So can
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  Speaker 1: wet and so you know, it's that I've been pulled
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  Speaker 1: over for wearing my seatbelt the wrong way. He said, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I asked him how how do I
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  Speaker 1: wear my seatbelt the wrong way. I've been stopped for
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  Speaker 1: being in my own neighborhood countless time, just like you said, people, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know we don't have any black people living in
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  Speaker 1: this neighborhood. What are you doing here? And you show
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  Speaker 1: him your idea and it's like, oh, you do live here.
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  Speaker 1: And actually the impetus that got me to get the
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  Speaker 1: app started. What got me going, honestly, was three months
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  Speaker 1: after Mike Brown that December. It was um I had.
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  Speaker 1: I got pulled over three times in about a week
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  Speaker 1: and a half time frame by the Cab County p D.
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  Speaker 1: The first time the officer pulled me over, literally he
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  Speaker 1: told me, asked me what I was doing in my
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  Speaker 1: own neighborhood when I saw show him my I D was,
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  Speaker 1: oh you do live here. Okay, I'm sorry, You're free
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  Speaker 1: to go. And so the second time I got pulled over,
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  Speaker 1: it's the only time that the judge has ever apologized
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  Speaker 1: in court. The officer printed on the ticket that I
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  Speaker 1: was at the stop time for three seconds and not
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  Speaker 1: for five seconds. And so when I went to court,
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  Speaker 1: that judge looked at it and literally as that you
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  Speaker 1: haven't stopped. Watch where you are on your you know
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  Speaker 1: phone timing, like how you know it's three not four
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  Speaker 1: dot five, And so he was like, I'm sorry for it.
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  Speaker 1: Some time, You're free to go. And the third time
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  Speaker 1: I got stopped is really what got the impetus to
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  Speaker 1: get the app going, because like I've been thinking about
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  Speaker 1: it for a while but had made the move, and
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  Speaker 1: this was times like okay, now we had to make
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  Speaker 1: this move. And so this time, um, I was headed
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  Speaker 1: to work. It was December twelve, heading to work. Another time,
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  Speaker 1: I was working for insurance. I was selling insurance at
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  Speaker 1: all State and like, I've just been pulled over twice
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  Speaker 1: in the previous nine days by that state department. Officer
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  Speaker 1: gets behind me, and so I don't think any of it.
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  Speaker 1: I drive a mill. He's still behind me. I switched lane.
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  Speaker 1: He switches lanes behind me. I switched another lane. He
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  Speaker 1: goes behind me. I'm like, okay, he's about to pull
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  Speaker 1: me over. Found the CUSSS lights, pulls me over, gets
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  Speaker 1: over there, and I'm like wondering why I got stopped
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  Speaker 1: because I was like, hey, I know I have my insurance.
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  Speaker 1: Is good. I just got pulled over. I had the
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  Speaker 1: other tickets. There was nothing else going on. So he
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  Speaker 1: pulls me over. He tells me, oh, there's a warrant
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  Speaker 1: for your arrest, and I told him, no, there's not,
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  Speaker 1: and he was like, how are you so sure? I
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  Speaker 1: was like, literally, got put it by your same department
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  Speaker 1: two times in the past week and a half, and
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  Speaker 1: none none of them mentioned the warmth of my arrest.
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  Speaker 1: So then his attempt to get around that was then
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  Speaker 1: telling me, well, maybe the system for that. And when
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  Speaker 1: he told me that, I showed him the ticket I
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  Speaker 1: got from the same department before and said, well, sir,
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  Speaker 1: if the systems were down last week, how is he
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  Speaker 1: able to print out a ticket. It's not a handwritten ticket.
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  Speaker 1: This is the printed ticket he gave me, So how
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  Speaker 1: was the system able to print this ticket but not
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  Speaker 1: tell him I had a warmth of my arrest? And
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  Speaker 1: so had he gone back to the car and let
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  Speaker 1: me chill to check on that, there probably wouldn't even
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  Speaker 1: be an app right now. But instead of doing that,
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  Speaker 1: he said, well, while I check on this warmth of
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  Speaker 1: my safety, I'm gonna have to put you in handcuffs
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  Speaker 1: and put you in the backs of my car. So
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  Speaker 1: he cussed me, sat me in the back of his
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  Speaker 1: car forward seemed like ten to fifteen minutes while instead
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  Speaker 1: of calling in that warrant, he wasn't he was. Then
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  Speaker 1: I watched them walking around my car with a flashlight
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  Speaker 1: trying to see if he could find something in there.
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  Speaker 1: And he gets that it comes back. He's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: said vald A warranted free to go. So I asked him, well,
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  Speaker 1: where is the warrant from um what county? What's what stay?
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, well, well, you know, this is
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  Speaker 1: the value to arrest. So I got his badge number,
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  Speaker 1: I got his name, and my mom and I went
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  Speaker 1: and made a complaint the next day. It's the only
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  Speaker 1: time I've made a complaint to the police department. But
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  Speaker 1: I could have had a lot more. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was at that time because I was just set
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  Speaker 1: up and so I made a complaint. They say he
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  Speaker 1: did nothing wrong, do something about it. So when I
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  Speaker 1: started to act, it wasn't even to start a business.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't to make money. It wasn't anything more so
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  Speaker 1: than hey, if I get pulled over, I want my mom.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted my girlfriend at the time, you know where
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  Speaker 1: I was. I would know my best friends to know
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  Speaker 1: where I was, and I wanted the video of anything
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  Speaker 1: happened so people could not argue about, hey, what did
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  Speaker 1: he do wrong? And so literally that's what started the
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  Speaker 1: whole process of getting it was that stop of him
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  Speaker 1: not letting me call my job, not letting me call
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  Speaker 1: my mom, and him basically profiling me and pulling me
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  Speaker 1: over for no reason. It was like, you're free to
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  Speaker 1: go because I told him I felt like one of
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  Speaker 1: those fishing I was catching release ponds. Now you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: catch me at least eat me, don't just waste my time.
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  Speaker 1: So so that's that's that's what got the impetusis started
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  Speaker 1: thinking about creating something to start protecting people when they
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  Speaker 1: got stopped. Imagine, because I've never been handcuffed, I've never
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  Speaker 1: been seated in the back of police call. What was
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  Speaker 1: running through your mind when that happened. It's uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: it was for me. It was just dehumanizing, That's what
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was. I know, here I am, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a grown man who hasn't done no wrong, who has
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  Speaker 1: been fine, and you know, I'm like, got no criminal
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  Speaker 1: records or anything like that, and I can't do anything
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  Speaker 1: about that. You know, if I fight you, if I
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  Speaker 1: do anything, you have the license to shoot and kill me.
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  Speaker 1: So all I have is just to sit here and
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  Speaker 1: take it and hopefully it comes out like it then
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  Speaker 1: where it says what you're accusing me of is completely
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  Speaker 1: false and I'm free to go. So honestly, that's like
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  Speaker 1: the last time I actually, like I had a heavy,
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  Speaker 1: heavy cry, you know, was because after they just felt
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  Speaker 1: like you weren't a man, you weren't even a human anymore,
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  Speaker 1: and it was just a de humanizing feeling to know
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  Speaker 1: that you've done nothing wrong and to have those handcuffs
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  Speaker 1: without you sitting the back of that car and just wondering, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: is he gonna make up something? And for me, I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 1: what if he planned something in my car and says,
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  Speaker 1: now I found all these drugs, I found this gun
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  Speaker 1: or something like that, and then what am I gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to do next? Do I have legal recourds? What
• 16:17
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  Speaker 1: the things I think about sitting in the back of
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• 16:24
  Speaker 1: How can I contact my brother? How can I contact
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: my girlfriend? Like? How can I let my best friends know?
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Just different things like that's what brand through my mind
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: that whole time. Well, you know the thing that what
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to Jack. He's an activist and founder of
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Legal Equalizer, a mobile app that allows users to capture
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: police encounters after being pulled over, automatically notifying loved ones
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: in real time, provide information on legal rights involving that encounter,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: and receive legal advice at the scene. It contains laws
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: for all fifty states. Now, when you when you when
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: you start an app like this, the first thing people go,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: how can you? How does it work? I'm trying to
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: get you your head now and develop the Legal Equalize.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: You know, like I said, all ideas start out of frustration.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: All ideas start from trying to make life easier or
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: much more or less complicated. In this case, this is
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: a This is a social activist app. I would like
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: to believe from a standpoint of it can physically protect you,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: can keep you, uh, protect your rights, and also educate
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you about your rights on the spot. Now is it okay?
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: So walk me through how it would actually work if
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: a police officer, because this is a video as where
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: how would it work if something I'm sitting in there?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Do I hold my phone up and he sees me
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: holding the phone up? How does it work by So
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: now we know in Georgia, in most states you can't
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: have your phone in your hand. You have to have
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: some kind of stand up there for the hands free sir.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: And so we have the app there and so we
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: can do a couple of ways. So if you get
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: pulled over, So when you first log into the app,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: what happens is you go through the log in process
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and asks you for access to your contacts. When you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: get there, you're gonna pick at least five people, um
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that you trust, friends, family, or whoever. And those are
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: your emergency contacts. Now within the app, we have laws
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: for all fifty stage rights and things that you can
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: do and all that stuff. We don't want you doing
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: that when you get pulled over. That's a little bit
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: too late for that. People to get educated before all
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So now if you see those
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: lights get pulled over, you can do one of two things.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: You can say hey, you know, you say Serie activate
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Legal Equal I said hey Google activate legal open helpen
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: up that you can do it by voice, or you
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: can just open up with your hands. So the app
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: now opens up within two seconds. You can hit that
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: button it says I need help for and the list
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: comes out it says I need helpful police stop, general, emergency,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: domestic violence, situation, immigration, ice, active shooter. So you put
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I need help for police stop and you hit that
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: set and it says those people the Texas says, hey,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I've been stopped by the police. My location is and
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it gives me exact location. If you don't hear from
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: me in the next thirty minutes, police call the police
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: department this area and also has a Google pinpoint now there,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: So within five sect of those people already have that
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: text message, no you've been stopped. Now you don't have
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: whatever your choice is next. You can either now choose
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: to record that encounter and we're gonna have that recording
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: saved onto the phone, or what we're having in this
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: new release, which we've been testing out this morning and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: this past week, you can now hit a live video
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: option and those people are gonna gonna notification you have
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a live video, and just like we're talking now, by
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the time that police caught that police obviously comes to
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: your door, you're gonna have those people on your phone
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: looking right back at them, and the officer is gonna
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: be able to see them. So it's gonna be looking
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: like you have eyewitnesses and they can record that encounter
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: in real time and a few months and then a
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: few a few months. What we're about to do is
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: we're about to then have it where you can then
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: find an attorney in that area and pay an attorney
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: what would be a fraction of the cost or cheaper
• 19:55
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• 19:58
  Speaker 1: call in real time and listen to why that stop
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and tell you what to do and give you that
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: real time legal advice. And so that's how the app works,
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  Speaker 1: out in machines. Well, I I love the fact that,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: first of all, using your force, because that's what I
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: do when I get my vehic car, I'd say navigate
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: to or call somebody. That really simplifies the process for sure.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And so but when you when you develop something like this,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: were there naysayers that my job? They really came into
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: your lane of going. First of all, you go, you
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: got this, why the big y? Then you got this
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that's unnecessary? And that's okay, who are you? You've never
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: done anything like that? Were those sort of the statements
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that came your way by when you were trying to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: put together the legal equalizer? Um? It was that. It
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: was that you know, I'm being anti police. Um, it
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: was you know, you don't know what you're doing. I'm
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: not a lawyer. So I was like, you don't know
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the law, you don't know any of that stuff. Why
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: would use this? Why can't I do that? Well, the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: officers might shoot somebody pleasing your ap And so I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: just have to talk people through common sense, right, And
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I tell them if if somebody has my the phone
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: out and then have it out, you think the officers
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: gonna shoot them cause they have my app open? I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: was like, that's not the issue. Also shooting somebody because
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: of their phone. We have a big issue that whatever's
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: on that phone and we need to go back to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that root cause. So yeah, so it's been you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and like I said, when I started, I don't know
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: how to code. Still I don't know how to code.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to build. I had to ask people,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and my whole time, I've had nothing but black coders
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: as well to come help build me with this. So
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I used to work at Apple the you know, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the store on the business team making sales. So when
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I got done, I was like, somebody in the store.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I got to know somebody that can code, So I
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: asked them, and I had somebody to build my very
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: first version of that app, and we need to upgrade,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and I had to go ask somebody else, and I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: knew in tech in Atlanta, was like, hey, Rodney, can
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you find me somebody that can code because my old
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: CODA can't do the things I need to get done.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And now we have somebody that's been here for three
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: or four years and knows what to dude, knows the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: vision and can code and build our stuff out as well.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Here's the interesting thing, because you know, you need help
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: from the community, you need help from the society and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you definitely need here from politicians when you're trying to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: do anything like this, because some people couln't throw the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: word controversial, put the word council culture. Uh claim that
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you anti blue, you are you want to defund the police.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But what are some of the things are three things
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: at least at the community to society in general can do,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: especially positive politicians can do to help you address the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: root of the problems that you're trying to solve with
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the legal equalizer. Um, well, politicians can do a lot
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to start with. For one, I completely disagree with qualified immunity.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I think they need to get rid of them because,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: like I got tell a police officer, if you're a
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: good police officer, you're doing your job, you ain't gotta
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: worry about geting suit m But right now they can
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: beat you up, they can shoot you, they can stab you,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: they can do whatever to you, and technically you cannot
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: sue that with your officer just because of that job.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: So I asked them all the time, would you go
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to a doctor that can just do whatever and you
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: can sue them if they messed up? You probably asked why?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: And so it's that same issue with qualified immunities. One
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: issue I have with policing. The second issue I have
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the politicians I think well, and and policing is local
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: as well. So that's nothing we didn't talk about. It's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: not you know, federal and all that, and so an
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: other thing we can do with policing as well is
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a so in terms of the hiring and looking at
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the quality of officers were hiring, the fact that you know,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: somebody can go six months of training and now be
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: licensed to kill somebody. When you have attorneys have to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: go to law school, you have other people have to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: go to all kinds of training to get that. And
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: so personally I told police officer, if I was in charge,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I would cut the police departments by a lot, but
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I would pay the officers there are a lot more
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and I give those guys a lot more money and
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a lot more resources because when you look at crimes
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: right now, they don't solve the majority of crimes. The
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: most crimes go completely unsolved. When you look at how
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: many thousands of hundreds of thousands of rape kits we
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: have that don't give it checked right now, so they're
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: not worrying or healing. Murders are going unsolved, and so
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: we're not giving them those resources. We have officers that
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: we're paying money to just do traffic stuff to basically
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: down the highway and see if you're speeding and do
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: all that stuff, rather than actually dealing with the real
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: issues in society and stuff. Um. A third thing I
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: think we need to do is um deal with those
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: police union contracts, because those contracts are what gives them
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: that qualified immunity. They're what gives them the right to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: do a lot of this stuff there. What like in Georgia,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: until a few years ago, if the officers killed somebody,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: they were able to sit in that grand jury room
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and testify, but they couldn't even get cross examined. And
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: so imagine that you're sitting there, Okay, I can hear
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: his side of the story, I can't ask him any
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: questions or anything like that, which is why we didn't
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: have many officers even indicted. And so and these were
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: all deals that were made by these unions or by
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: these organizations police groups that come here and they'll defend
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: any officer or anything wrong, right or whatever. And I
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: can keep going like with these things. You know, another
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: thing I was hoping for with officers. Is that make
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the officers live in the neighborhoods they work too. Many
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: times we have officers that live thirty forty five minutes
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: away and drive into the inner city and drive the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: other places. They know nobody there, and they assume things
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: about these people and they use as solutions to work
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: do that rather than the police in their own neighborhoods,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: rather than no, hey, that's Johnny over there. Johnny has
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: had multiple personality disorder. The whole neighborhood knows this. Instead
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: of coming out, hey with a gun, let's call somebody,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: talk Johnny down and work with that. You know, that's
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Jim over there. You know Jim has a drinking problem.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: You know he'll get drunk and he'll do this. But
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: instead of getting roughed up with Jim, we can take
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: it here and let him sober down. We know that
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: his momba lives over there, you know, we know his
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: dad and his girlfriend. Like. It's things like that we
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: can do. So it's common sense things we can do
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to help improve policing and make it simpler. But anytime
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you want to make those suggestions as you're anti police,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you're this and that, And even when we talk about
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the defunding the police. It's not defunding the police. I
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: tell him. People used the wrong term there. You just
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: call it re reallocating your money, reallocating your funds, because
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: all that does is for instant Atlanta. If we don't
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: spend forty of our city budget on police, and we
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: can spend thirty percent of our city by john police,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: take that extra temper cent. Put it back in the
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: inner city neighborhoods. Build grocery stores there to have healthy
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: food instead of having junk stuff there. That gives people jobs,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you know, give people opportunities in those areas where now, okay,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: we got people constructing this grocery store. We got people
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: working in the the strowing store. We need managers here. These
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: kids can come here to be cashiers. Oh now that
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: out here doing the water boys stuff. They're not coming
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: in crimes that We've invested that money back into the community.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: And now all these so called crimes that's going wild. Oh,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of that has been solved because the roots
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: of that crime, the root cause of those crimes are
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: now being solved. And so these are some of the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: things I wish politicians and all leaders would think about
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: more and add that more when it comes to you know,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: criminal justice of public safety. Hey, you know I got
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: My show is gonna go live on w c okay
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: starting in September seven. I want to bring you back.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: It's for Atlanta because what you're talking about, you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: it's gone beyond the legal equalizer of Apple, which is
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a fantastic reason I brought you on it. But the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: whole concept, especially when you hit the water Boys, and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: that goes into your volunteering at the homeless shelters and
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: local churches and helping people in Fair Fight and the
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  Speaker 1: New Georgia Project organization. I want to bring you back
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: really talk about that, because I think that's one of
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the reason why I want to take my show live.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I want to be able to take phone calls. I
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: wanted people to hear people like you have that passion.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to turn into a militant conversation. I
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: want to create a conversation, and a lot of times
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the conversation is not created with the right information. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that's what angered me the most about the media to day,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: because they fund the bad information, they promote the bad information,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and the class of examples that when when Cuomo's brother
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't even mention him in the news, and he's the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: headline news every day. Okay, you mean you can pick
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and cho news now, that's how we're doing news. And
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that you don't have to talk about your brother even
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: when he retired, an when he resigned, you an't talking
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: about it. So now lets we know that news in
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: general does not give us the right message. So but
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for coming on the show.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Talk about the lead equal Lizer. Uh it's a downloadable app.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you can get them the Google play store, yep,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Google play Store and iTunes. They're both free. They're both free. Again, brother,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: appreciate you again. I'm gonna be You'll be here from
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: again by in regards to coming back on the show
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: like starts September seven, every Tuesday, six to seven pm,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: sit down talk. You come to studio and do it
• 30:12
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• 30:14
  Speaker 1: You can just be a regular call. You coming studio
• 30:16
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• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I want to stay in touch with you. Thank you
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