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Exploring the Unspoken: The Emotional Landscape of Education with Dr. Tanya Manning-Yarde · The Wheelhouse

0:01
We
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talk
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a
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lot
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about
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learning
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in
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schools,
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but
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we
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don't
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talk
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enough
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about
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what
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school
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feels
0:09
like.
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What
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if
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one
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of
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the
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most
0:12
powerful
0:12
forces
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shaping
0:14
student
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behavior
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isn't
0:16
instruction?
0:18
It's
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embarrassment
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or
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shame?
0:22
In
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this
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episode,
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Dr.
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Tanya
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Manning
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Yard
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joins
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us
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to
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name
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what's
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usually
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left
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unsaid.
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How
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students
0:31
learn
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to
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hide.
0:32
How
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parents
0:33
learn
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to
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stay
0:34
quiet,
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and
0:35
how
0:36
systems
0:37
without
0:37
meaning
0:38
to
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can
0:39
make
0:39
both
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worse.
0:41
Because
0:41
if
0:41
students
0:42
are
0:42
trying
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not
0:43
to
0:43
look
0:44
dumb,
0:45
they're
0:45
not
0:45
learning.
0:47
And
0:47
if
0:47
parents
0:48
feel
0:49
judged,
0:51
they're
0:51
not
0:51
partnering.
0:53
A
0:54
new
0:54
episode
0:54
of
0:54
the
0:55
Wheelhouse
0:56
begins
0:57
right
0:57
now.
1:09
Welcome
1:09
to
1:09
another
1:10
episode
1:10
of
1:10
the
1:11
Wheelhouse.
1:12
In
1:12
this
1:12
season,
1:13
we're
1:13
exploring
1:14
what
1:14
it
1:14
means
1:15
to
1:15
build
1:16
future
1:16
ready
1:17
schools
1:18
rooted
1:18
in
1:18
humanity
1:19
and
1:20
built
1:20
through
1:20
coherent
1:21
human
1:21
systems.
1:23
Over
1:23
the
1:23
last
1:23
two
1:24
episodes,
1:24
we
1:25
listened.
1:26
Students
1:26
told
1:27
us
1:27
what
1:27
it
1:27
feels
1:28
like
1:28
to
1:28
be
1:28
unheard.
1:30
A
1:30
principal
1:31
showed
1:31
us
1:32
what
1:32
it
1:32
looks
1:32
like
1:33
to
1:33
lead
1:34
inside
1:34
that
1:35
reality.
1:36
Today,
1:37
we
1:38
go
1:38
a
1:38
layer
1:38
deeper
1:40
because
1:40
there's
1:40
something
1:41
we
1:41
don't
1:41
name
1:42
in
1:42
education,
1:43
even
1:43
though
1:43
it's
1:46
embarrassment,
1:48
shame.
1:50
Not
1:50
as
1:50
big
1:50
dramatic
1:51
moments,
1:52
but
1:52
as
1:52
quiet,
1:53
daily
1:54
experiences
1:55
that
1:56
shape
1:56
whether
1:57
students
1:57
take
1:58
risks
1:59
or
1:59
shut
2:00
down,
2:01
whether
2:01
parents
2:02
lean
2:02
in
2:04
or
2:04
step
2:04
back.
2:06
Joining
2:06
us
2:07
is
2:07
Dr.
2:08
Tanya
2:08
Manning
2:09
Yard,
2:10
educator,
2:11
consultant,
2:12
literacy
2:13
expert,
2:14
podcaster,
2:15
and
2:15
a
2:16
mother
2:16
navigating
2:17
the
2:17
system
2:18
in
2:19
real
2:19
time.
2:20
This
2:20
conversation
2:21
is
2:21
honest.
2:23
At
2:23
times,
2:24
it's
2:25
uncomfortable,
2:27
but
2:27
it's
2:28
necessary
2:29
because
2:30
you
2:30
can't
2:31
build
2:31
human
2:32
centered
2:33
schools
2:34
if
2:34
the
2:35
people
2:35
inside
2:36
them
2:36
don't
2:37
feel
2:37
safe
2:38
being
2:38
human.
2:40
Let's
2:40
get
2:40
into
2:41
it.
2:47
Good
2:48
morning.
2:48
I'm
2:48
Dr.
2:49
Grant
2:49
Chandler,
2:50
and
2:50
this
2:50
is
2:50
another
2:51
episode
2:51
of
2:51
the
2:52
Wheelhouse.
2:52
And
2:53
again,
2:53
I'm
2:54
super
2:54
excited.
2:54
So
2:55
first,
2:55
let
2:55
me
2:55
welcome
2:56
the
2:56
Wheelhouse
2:57
team
2:57
of
2:57
Kathy
2:57
Mone,
2:58
Michael
2:58
Pipa,
2:59
and
2:59
Dr.
2:59
Alicia
3:00
Monroe.
3:00
Good
3:00
morning.
3:02
Good
3:02
morning.
3:03
Good
3:03
morning.
3:05
Oh,
3:05
my
3:05
goodness.
3:06
Grant,
3:06
you
3:06
were
3:06
like
3:07
this
3:07
radio
3:08
voice
3:08
when
3:08
you.
3:08
I
3:09
know.
3:09
I'm
3:09
trying
3:09
to
3:09
be
3:10
with
3:10
Michael
3:10
today.
3:11
Like,
3:12
I
3:12
know
3:12
he's
3:13
out
3:13
there
3:13
just
3:13
doing
3:13
all
3:14
this
3:14
stuff.
3:14
I
3:15
know
3:15
he's
3:15
on
3:15
podcasts
3:16
and
3:16
you,
3:17
like.
3:17
I
3:17
pull
3:17
up
3:18
my
3:18
LinkedIn
3:18
and
3:18
there
3:19
he
3:19
is
3:19
talking
3:20
in
3:20
his
3:20
little
3:20
radio.
3:21
Voice
3:22
on
3:22
Facebook
3:23
like,
3:23
he's
3:23
everywhere.
3:24
He's
3:24
everywhere.
3:25
Yeah.
3:26
Yeah.
3:26
It's
3:27
my
3:27
goal
3:28
just
3:28
to
3:28
be
3:28
everywhere.
3:29
Beautiful.
3:30
You're
3:30
doing
3:30
a
3:30
great
3:31
job
3:31
everywhere
3:31
includes
3:32
being
3:32
here
3:32
in
3:32
the
3:32
wheelhouse.
3:33
Mr.
3:33
Piper,
3:34
I
3:34
love
3:34
you.
3:34
Absolutely.
3:36
So
3:36
it's
3:36
absolutely
3:37
great
3:37
to
3:37
have
3:37
you
3:37
all
3:37
back.
3:38
This
3:38
is
3:38
episode
3:39
six
3:40
already.
3:41
Season
3:41
12
3:42
is
3:42
flying
3:43
by.
3:43
We've
3:44
had
3:44
some
3:44
amazing
3:45
conversations.
3:48
I
3:48
want
3:48
to
3:48
just
3:48
go
3:49
back
3:49
for
3:49
a
3:49
moment
3:49
because
3:50
the
3:50
four
3:51
of
3:51
us
3:51
spent
3:52
a
3:52
couple
3:52
of
3:52
episodes
3:53
talking
3:53
about
3:53
the
3:54
theme
3:54
of
3:54
the
3:54
season,
3:55
innovation
3:56
rooted
3:56
in
3:57
humanity.
3:58
Built
3:59
through
3:59
coherent
3:59
human
4:00
systems.
4:01
This
4:01
whole
4:01
idea
4:01
of
4:02
future
4:02
ready
4:02
schools
4:03
we
4:03
were
4:03
able
4:04
to
4:04
talk
4:04
to.
4:04
We're
4:05
going
4:05
to
4:05
talk
4:05
to
4:05
a
4:05
lot
4:05
of
4:05
people
4:06
that
4:07
are
4:07
connected
4:07
to
4:07
education,
4:08
but
4:08
we
4:08
talked
4:09
to
4:09
some
4:09
students
4:10
a
4:10
couple
4:10
episodes
4:11
ago.
4:11
We're
4:11
gonna
4:11
talk
4:11
to
4:12
some
4:12
more
4:13
as
4:13
the
4:13
season
4:14
continues.
4:16
And
4:16
they,
4:17
of
4:17
course,
4:17
told
4:17
us
4:18
we
4:19
really
4:19
need
4:19
to
4:19
be
4:20
heard,
4:20
not
4:20
hurted.
4:22
And
4:22
then
4:22
we
4:23
had
4:24
an
4:24
incredible
4:24
conversation
4:25
with
4:25
a
4:25
middle
4:25
school
4:26
principal,
4:26
Rhonda
4:26
Simli,
4:28
who
4:28
leads
4:29
that
4:30
effort
4:30
to
4:31
make
4:31
sure
4:31
that
4:31
her
4:31
students
4:32
are
4:32
heard
4:33
and
4:33
not
4:33
herded.
4:34
And
4:35
today
4:35
we're
4:35
gonna
4:36
talk
4:36
to
4:36
another
4:36
amazing
4:37
educator.
4:38
I
4:38
introduced
4:38
her
4:39
and
4:39
talked
4:39
about
4:39
her
4:40
in
4:40
the
4:40
introduction.
4:42
She
4:42
is
4:42
an
4:42
educator,
4:43
a
4:43
consultant,
4:44
a
4:44
fellow
4:45
podcaster.
4:46
She's
4:47
a
4:47
mom.
4:48
She's
4:48
got
4:49
every
4:50
role
4:50
that
4:50
you
4:50
can
4:51
think
4:51
of.
4:53
This
4:53
woman
4:54
embodies.
4:54
So
4:55
we
4:55
are
4:55
super
4:55
excited
4:56
to
4:56
welcome
4:56
Dr.
4:57
Tanya
4:58
Banning
4:58
Yard
4:59
to
4:59
the
4:59
Wheelhouse.
5:01
Tanya,
5:01
welcome.
5:02
Oh,
5:02
my
5:02
gosh.
5:03
Good
5:04
morning.
5:04
It's
5:05
so
5:05
good
5:05
to
5:05
be
5:05
here.
5:06
Thank
5:06
you
5:06
for
5:07
that.
5:07
Thank
5:07
you.
5:08
We
5:09
are
5:09
thrilled
5:10
to
5:10
have
5:10
you
5:10
here
5:11
and
5:12
you're
5:12
going
5:12
to
5:12
offer
5:13
so
5:13
many
5:13
different
5:14
perspectives
5:15
than
5:15
what
5:15
we've
5:16
had
5:16
so
5:16
far
5:17
in
5:17
the
5:18
wheelhouse
5:18
in
5:18
season
5:18
12.
5:19
And
5:20
I'm
5:20
really
5:20
excited
5:20
to
5:21
hear
5:22
where
5:22
this
5:22
conversation
5:23
is
5:23
going
5:23
to
5:23
go.
5:24
But
5:24
if
5:25
the
5:25
theme
5:25
is,
5:25
of
5:25
course,
5:26
innovation
5:27
rooted
5:27
in
5:27
humanity,
5:28
built
5:28
through
5:29
coherent
5:30
human
5:30
systems,
5:31
talk
5:32
to
5:32
us
5:32
first
5:32
for
5:33
a
5:33
moment
5:33
about
5:33
who
5:34
are
5:34
you
5:34
as
5:34
a
5:34
human?
5:35
I
5:36
have
5:36
been,
5:36
as
5:36
I
5:37
think
5:37
all
5:37
of
5:37
us
5:37
have
5:37
been,
5:38
evolving
5:38
over
5:39
time.
5:39
So
5:41
where
5:41
I
5:42
am
5:42
now
5:43
is
5:43
somebody
5:43
who
5:44
is
5:44
trying
5:44
to,
5:46
in
5:46
as
5:46
much
5:46
as
5:48
with
5:48
everything
5:48
that's
5:48
happening
5:50
politically
5:50
and
5:51
in
5:51
2026,
5:53
I'm
5:53
trying
5:53
to
5:54
stay
5:54
grounded
5:55
in
5:56
how
5:56
do
5:57
I
5:57
live
5:58
my
5:58
best
5:59
life
6:00
as
6:00
Tonya
6:01
each
6:01
day?
6:02
How
6:02
do
6:02
I
6:02
live
6:03
my
6:03
best
6:04
life
6:04
in
6:05
advocacy
6:05
of
6:06
my
6:06
children,
6:07
of
6:07
my
6:08
husband,
6:09
my
6:09
family,
6:11
larger
6:12
communities.
6:12
And
6:13
so
6:13
I'm
6:13
trying
6:14
to
6:14
live
6:15
this
6:16
human
6:16
life
6:17
not
6:17
stifled
6:18
by
6:18
fear
6:19
or
6:20
affliction,
6:23
while
6:23
also
6:24
trying
6:24
to
6:24
be
6:25
compassionate
6:26
and
6:26
also
6:27
trying
6:27
to
6:27
make
6:28
sure
6:28
that
6:29
in
6:29
terms
6:29
of,
6:30
like,
6:30
my
6:30
own
6:30
footprints
6:31
in
6:31
this
6:31
day,
6:32
how
6:32
am
6:33
I
6:33
also
6:33
trying
6:34
to
6:34
blaze
6:34
a
6:35
path
6:35
for
6:35
those
6:35
that
6:36
are
6:36
following
6:36
behind
6:37
me?
6:38
Wow.
6:39
We
6:39
could
6:39
talk
6:39
about
6:39
that
6:40
for
6:40
days
6:41
and
6:42
days
6:43
and
6:43
we
6:44
could
6:44
even
6:44
launch
6:44
a
6:44
new
6:45
podcast
6:45
to
6:46
talk
6:46
about
6:46
that
6:46
because
6:48
that's
6:48
pretty.
6:49
I
6:49
mean,
6:49
there's
6:50
so
6:50
much
6:50
there,
6:51
right?
6:51
I
6:52
want
6:52
to
6:52
be
6:52
your
6:52
friend.
6:56
Can
6:56
we
6:57
be
6:57
friends?
6:57
Oh,
6:58
Kathy,
6:58
absolutely.
6:59
Blessings
7:00
and
7:00
gratitude
7:01
for
7:01
that.
7:01
Thank
7:01
you.
7:02
Thank
7:02
you.
7:03
So,
7:04
because
7:05
this
7:05
is
7:05
an
7:05
education
7:06
podcast,
7:07
right?
7:09
What
7:09
experiences
7:11
as
7:12
an
7:12
educator,
7:13
as
7:13
an
7:13
educational
7:14
consultant,
7:14
as
7:15
a
7:15
podcaster,
7:16
as
7:16
a
7:17
mom,
7:19
what
7:19
experiences
7:20
are
7:20
shaping
7:22
how
7:22
you
7:23
see
7:24
schools
7:24
today?
7:26
One
7:26
of
7:26
the
7:26
things
7:27
that
7:27
I
7:28
loved
7:29
and
7:29
also
7:30
feared
7:30
When
7:30
I
7:31
first
7:31
started
7:31
my
7:31
career
7:32
as
7:32
a
7:32
high
7:32
school
7:32
English
7:33
teacher
7:34
is
7:34
being
7:34
in
7:35
a
7:35
classroom
7:35
with
7:36
these
7:37
20
7:37
some
7:37
odd
7:38
vessels
7:39
who
7:39
come
7:39
with
7:40
their
7:40
own
7:41
quirks
7:42
and
7:42
interests
7:43
and
7:44
questions
7:45
and
7:46
thinking
7:47
in
7:47
that
7:47
limited
7:48
amount
7:48
of
7:48
time
7:48
that
7:49
we
7:49
had,
7:49
how
7:50
to
7:52
live
7:52
in
7:52
that
7:53
space
7:53
as
7:54
a
7:54
community
7:54
and
7:55
also
7:55
at
7:55
the
7:55
same
7:56
time,
7:57
prepare
7:57
them
7:57
for
7:58
the
7:58
world
7:58
to
7:58
come.
7:59
And
7:59
that's
8:00
one
8:00
of
8:00
the
8:00
things
8:00
I've
8:01
loved
8:01
about
8:01
being
8:01
a
8:02
teacher.
8:02
I've
8:04
tried
8:04
my
8:05
best
8:05
not
8:05
to
8:05
be
8:06
pedantic
8:06
in
8:07
the
8:07
sense
8:07
of
8:07
I'm
8:07
coming
8:08
in
8:08
as
8:10
all
8:10
knowing
8:11
and
8:12
I'm
8:12
responsible
8:13
for
8:13
making
8:13
sure
8:13
you
8:13
know
8:14
A,
8:14
B,
8:14
C,
8:14
D
8:14
and
8:15
getting
8:15
you
8:15
from
8:15
here
8:16
to
8:16
there.
8:16
I
8:16
mean,
8:16
you
8:17
have
8:17
things
8:17
like
8:17
the
8:17
Regents
8:18
exam
8:18
and
8:18
other
8:19
high
8:19
stakes
8:20
things.
8:20
But
8:20
I
8:21
really
8:22
wanted
8:22
the
8:22
classroom
8:23
to
8:23
be
8:24
a
8:24
living
8:24
and
8:25
breathing
8:26
space,
8:26
and
8:26
I
8:27
wanted
8:27
it
8:27
to
8:27
be
8:27
a
8:27
place
8:28
and
8:28
space
8:28
of
8:28
conversation.
8:31
And
8:31
that
8:32
was
8:32
something
8:32
that
8:32
I
8:33
wanted
8:33
because
8:33
I
8:34
know
8:34
everybody
8:34
comes
8:34
in
8:34
with
8:35
their
8:35
own
8:35
ways
8:35
of
8:35
thinking
8:36
and
8:36
doing,
8:36
and
8:36
I
8:37
wanted
8:37
the
8:37
classroom
8:38
to
8:40
reflect
8:40
that.
8:41
But
8:41
it
8:42
also
8:42
meant
8:42
that
8:42
was
8:42
something
8:43
that
8:43
I
8:43
needed
8:43
to
8:44
grow
8:44
into
8:44
as
8:45
well.
8:45
So.
8:45
So
8:46
that
8:46
meant
8:46
each
8:47
day
8:48
with
8:48
varieties
8:49
of
8:49
types
8:49
of
8:49
literature,
8:50
experiments
8:51
with
8:51
different
8:51
types
8:52
of
8:53
activities
8:53
and
8:54
tasks,
8:54
and
8:56
different
8:57
approaches
8:58
to
8:58
be
8:59
open
8:59
and
8:59
vulnerable
9:00
to
9:00
those
9:00
conversations
9:01
that
9:01
I
9:01
was
9:02
trying
9:02
to
9:02
get
9:02
my
9:03
students
9:03
to
9:03
have,
9:04
while
9:05
also
9:05
evolving
9:06
as
9:06
a
9:07
person
9:07
who
9:07
needed
9:07
to
9:07
learn
9:08
how
9:08
to
9:08
actually
9:08
foster
9:09
and
9:09
facilitate
9:10
those
9:10
conversations.
9:12
So
9:13
as
9:13
a
9:13
teacher,
9:15
that
9:15
was
9:15
like
9:16
my
9:16
first,
9:17
my
9:17
first
9:17
love,
9:18
my
9:18
first
9:18
set
9:19
of
9:19
goals.
9:20
As
9:20
I
9:20
evolved
9:21
as
9:21
an
9:21
educator
9:22
and
9:22
started
9:22
then
9:23
working
9:23
on
9:24
a
9:24
college
9:24
level
9:25
and
9:26
working
9:26
with
9:27
as
9:27
a
9:28
teacher
9:29
of
9:29
teacher
9:30
candidates,
9:31
both
9:32
inside
9:32
the
9:32
classroom
9:33
and
9:33
as
9:33
a
9:33
field
9:34
supervisor,
9:35
I
9:35
felt
9:36
like
9:36
I
9:36
had
9:36
to
9:36
teach
9:36
my
9:37
students
9:38
how
9:39
to
9:40
keep
9:40
the
9:40
classrooms
9:41
that
9:41
they
9:41
were
9:42
about
9:42
to
9:42
inherit
9:43
hopeful
9:44
and
9:44
not
9:45
suffocate
9:46
themselves
9:46
or
9:47
their
9:47
students
9:48
in
9:48
their
9:48
teaching
9:49
experiences,
9:50
and
9:50
then
9:50
also
9:51
guide
9:51
them
9:51
as
9:52
if
9:52
to
9:52
say,
9:52
hey,
9:52
here's
9:53
some
9:53
of
9:53
the
9:53
things
9:53
you're
9:53
going
9:53
to
9:54
need
9:54
to
9:54
know
9:54
and
9:54
understand
9:55
about
9:56
the
9:56
world
9:56
of
9:57
teaching
9:57
in
9:58
terms
9:58
of,
9:58
like,
9:59
administration,
10:01
politics,
10:03
where
10:03
you
10:03
may
10:03
fall
10:04
before
10:05
tenure
10:05
compared
10:06
to
10:06
after.
10:07
How
10:07
to
10:07
build
10:08
school
10:08
climates
10:09
that
10:11
are
10:12
evolving
10:13
and
10:13
open
10:14
and
10:14
possible
10:15
and
10:15
receptive.
10:16
Also
10:17
how
10:17
to
10:17
kind
10:17
of
10:18
close
10:18
ranks
10:18
when
10:18
you
10:19
see
10:19
certain
10:19
things
10:20
coming
10:20
down
10:20
the
10:20
pike,
10:21
to
10:21
just
10:21
kind
10:21
of
10:21
prepare
10:23
and
10:23
trying
10:24
to
10:24
make
10:24
sure
10:24
that
10:25
I
10:25
prepared
10:26
my
10:26
students
10:27
as
10:28
best
10:28
as
10:28
possible
10:29
for
10:30
their
10:30
own
10:31
classrooms,
10:32
how
10:32
to
10:33
stand
10:33
in
10:33
them
10:33
and
10:34
embrace
10:34
them
10:35
while
10:35
at
10:35
the
10:35
same
10:35
time,
10:36
you
10:36
know,
10:36
letting
10:37
them
10:37
go
10:37
as
10:38
the
10:39
year
10:39
ends
10:40
and
10:41
allowing
10:41
their
10:41
students
10:42
to
10:42
then
10:42
go
10:43
forth.
10:43
Being
10:44
an
10:44
educational
10:45
consultant
10:46
and
10:46
working
10:47
in
10:48
varieties
10:48
of
10:49
schools.
10:49
So
10:50
one
10:50
set
10:50
of
10:50
schools
10:51
I
10:51
worked
10:51
in
10:51
was
10:51
known
10:51
as
10:52
transfer
10:52
schools.
10:52
And
10:53
these
10:53
are
10:53
the
10:53
schools
10:53
that
10:54
have
10:54
students
10:55
who
10:55
are
10:56
over
10:56
age
10:57
undercredited.
10:58
We're
10:58
trying
10:59
to
10:59
get
10:59
them
10:59
back
10:59
into
11:00
a
11:00
school
11:00
setting
11:01
and
11:01
they've
11:02
left
11:02
for
11:02
a
11:02
variety
11:03
of
11:03
reasons
11:05
to
11:05
buy
11:05
into
11:06
trying
11:06
to
11:07
graduate
11:09
from
11:09
school
11:10
that
11:10
required
11:11
a
11:11
kind
11:11
of
11:11
different
11:12
mindset
11:12
to
11:13
kind
11:13
of
11:13
like
11:13
regardless
11:14
of
11:14
where
11:14
you
11:14
may
11:15
academically
11:16
stand,
11:17
this
11:18
is
11:18
a
11:18
place
11:19
that
11:19
we're
11:19
going
11:19
to
11:19
try
11:20
to
11:20
support
11:20
you
11:21
and
11:21
forge
11:21
ahead
11:21
in
11:22
your
11:22
own
11:22
possibilities.
11:23
And
11:24
also
11:24
supporting
11:25
teachers
11:25
on
11:26
the
11:26
instructional
11:26
side
11:27
that
11:28
it's
11:29
easy
11:30
to
11:30
think
11:31
that
11:31
these
11:31
kids
11:32
are
11:32
fill
11:32
in
11:32
the
11:33
blank
11:33
because
11:33
they've
11:33
dropped
11:34
out
11:34
and
11:34
now
11:34
they're
11:34
coming
11:34
back
11:35
in.
11:35
But
11:36
you
11:36
have
11:36
to
11:37
embrace
11:38
their
11:38
individual
11:39
stories
11:39
and
11:39
their
11:40
individual
11:40
experiences
11:41
and
11:41
help
11:42
usher
11:42
them
11:43
in
11:43
the
11:43
midst
11:43
of
11:43
their
11:44
insecurities,
11:45
their
11:45
frustrations,
11:47
their
11:47
pushback,
11:49
their
11:49
anger,
11:50
their
11:52
some
11:52
of
11:52
them
11:52
are
11:53
coming
11:53
from
11:54
very,
11:54
very
11:54
challenging
11:55
circumstances
11:56
to
11:56
try
11:57
to
11:57
help
11:57
actualize
11:58
their
11:58
best
11:59
and
11:59
most
11:59
possible
12:00
good
12:00
and
12:01
to
12:01
teach
12:01
them
12:01
to
12:01
do
12:02
the
12:02
same
12:02
once
12:02
they
12:02
leave
12:03
your
12:03
classroom.
12:05
And
12:05
that's
12:05
not
12:06
easy
12:06
because
12:07
in
12:07
working
12:08
in
12:08
these
12:08
transfer
12:09
schools
12:10
in
12:11
New
12:11
York
12:11
City
12:12
and
12:12
Newark,
12:13
New
12:13
Jersey,
12:14
there's
12:14
kind
12:14
of
12:14
also
12:15
embedded
12:15
given
12:16
the
12:16
population
12:16
of
12:17
the
12:17
students
12:17
already,
12:18
predeterminations
12:19
and
12:19
judgments
12:19
about
12:19
who
12:20
they
12:20
are,
12:21
the
12:22
unlikelihood
12:22
of
12:22
their
12:23
success,
12:23
et
12:23
cetera.
12:24
So
12:25
you're
12:25
trying
12:25
to
12:25
teach
12:25
teachers
12:26
to
12:26
not
12:26
buy
12:27
into
12:27
that,
12:27
but
12:28
at
12:28
the
12:28
same
12:28
time
12:29
recognizing
12:29
that's
12:29
a
12:30
reality.
12:31
And
12:31
you're
12:31
also
12:31
working
12:32
in
12:32
a
12:32
particular
12:33
system
12:34
that
12:34
is
12:35
very
12:35
challenging
12:36
while
12:36
also
12:37
trying
12:37
to
12:37
create
12:38
competency
12:38
based
12:39
instruction
12:40
and
12:41
portfolio
12:41
based
12:42
approaches
12:42
to
12:42
assessment
12:44
with
12:44
a
12:44
population
12:45
who
12:45
may
12:45
not
12:45
show
12:46
up
12:46
every
12:46
day
12:46
to
12:46
class
12:47
in
12:48
working
12:48
with
12:49
other
12:49
schools
12:50
in
12:52
behavioral
12:53
programs.
12:54
So
12:54
when
12:54
working
12:55
as
12:55
an
12:55
educational
12:55
consultant
12:56
with
12:56
Ramapo
12:57
for
12:57
children,
12:58
this
12:58
is
12:58
reimagining
13:00
how
13:00
to
13:00
create
13:02
school,
13:03
how
13:03
to
13:03
create
13:03
classrooms
13:04
and
13:05
systems
13:06
in
13:06
terms
13:06
of
13:07
behavioral
13:07
approaches
13:08
that
13:08
are
13:08
restorative
13:09
as
13:09
compared
13:10
to
13:10
punitive.
13:11
And
13:13
that
13:13
approach
13:13
required
13:14
me
13:14
at
13:14
least
13:15
when
13:15
I
13:15
took
13:16
on
13:16
was
13:17
it
13:17
needs
13:17
to
13:18
be
13:18
data
13:19
driven,
13:19
but
13:19
it
13:19
needs
13:20
to
13:20
be
13:21
handled
13:22
with
13:22
empathy.
13:23
So
13:23
I
13:23
love
13:23
the
13:24
way
13:24
you
13:24
answered
13:24
that
13:25
question
13:25
and
13:25
as
13:26
I
13:26
digested
13:27
that
13:28
I
13:28
engaged
13:29
in
13:29
the
13:30
thinking
13:30
around
13:31
where
13:31
we
13:31
are
13:32
in
13:32
this
13:32
season
13:32
on
13:33
the
13:33
podcast
13:34
and
13:34
I
13:34
know
13:34
we
13:34
have
13:35
questions
13:36
that
13:36
we're
13:36
all
13:37
asking,
13:37
but
13:38
if
13:38
you
13:38
will,
13:38
I'd
13:39
like
13:39
to
13:39
ask
13:41
a
13:42
question
13:42
that
13:42
dovetails
13:43
off
13:44
of
13:44
your
13:44
eloquent
13:45
response.
13:46
Dr.
13:46
Manningard.
13:48
So
13:48
how
13:48
do
13:48
you
13:49
humanize
13:50
the
13:50
educator
13:51
student
13:51
experience,
13:53
cultivate
13:53
hope
13:54
within
13:55
established
13:56
systems
13:56
where
13:57
some
13:57
teachers
13:57
are
13:58
motivated
13:58
by
13:58
self
13:59
serving
13:59
benefits,
14:01
vacation
14:01
day,
14:02
summer
14:02
break,
14:03
pension,
14:03
comprehensive
14:04
health
14:04
coverage
14:05
and
14:05
a
14:06
check
14:06
every
14:06
two
14:06
weeks
14:07
to
14:07
really
14:07
focus
14:08
on
14:09
student
14:10
centeredness
14:11
and
14:12
the
14:12
fact
14:12
that
14:13
each
14:13
and
14:13
every
14:13
student
14:14
matters
14:15
and
14:16
they
14:16
deserve
14:16
our
14:17
best.
14:17
And
14:18
this
14:19
actually,
14:21
actually
14:22
spun
14:22
off
14:23
of
14:23
the
14:23
fact
14:23
that
14:23
you
14:24
did
14:24
mention
14:25
pensions
14:25
as
14:26
motivators
14:26
and
14:26
things
14:27
like
14:27
that.
14:28
But
14:28
that
14:28
holistic
14:29
educator
14:30
heart
14:31
and
14:31
spirit
14:32
within
14:33
an
14:34
empathic
14:34
experience
14:36
is
14:36
oftentimes
14:39
extracted
14:41
when
14:41
the
14:41
tangibles
14:42
come
14:42
into
14:42
the
14:43
space.
14:44
So
14:44
if
14:44
you
14:44
will,
14:44
could
14:45
you
14:45
continue
14:46
your
14:46
conversation
14:47
around
14:47
that
14:48
with
14:48
a
14:48
response
14:49
to
14:49
my
14:50
question?
14:50
I'd
14:50
greatly
14:51
appreciate
14:51
that.
14:52
Absolutely.
14:53
I'll
14:53
go
14:53
back
14:54
in
14:54
particular
14:55
to
14:55
when
14:56
I
14:56
was
14:56
working
14:56
as
14:56
an
14:57
instructional
14:57
coach
14:58
for
14:59
Diploma
14:59
plus
14:59
and
14:59
then
15:00
move
15:00
that
15:00
forward
15:01
because
15:02
it's
15:02
important
15:03
to
15:03
create
15:04
relationships.
15:05
And
15:05
one
15:05
of
15:05
the
15:05
things
15:06
that
15:06
I
15:06
liked
15:06
as
15:07
in
15:07
being
15:07
an
15:07
instructional
15:08
coach,
15:08
was
15:08
that
15:09
I
15:10
can
15:10
create
15:11
relationships
15:12
with
15:12
the
15:12
teachers
15:13
they
15:13
knew
15:13
from
15:14
their
15:14
administration.
15:15
I
15:15
was
15:15
coming
15:15
in
15:16
to
15:16
support
15:16
them.
15:16
So
15:17
there
15:17
was
15:17
a
15:17
kind
15:17
of,
15:18
you
15:18
would
15:18
have
15:18
to
15:19
cooperate
15:19
with
15:20
me
15:20
in
15:20
some
15:20
respect.
15:20
Although
15:21
there
15:21
was
15:21
variations
15:22
of
15:22
success
15:22
with
15:23
that
15:23
as
15:23
well.
15:23
But
15:24
one
15:24
of
15:24
the
15:25
things
15:25
that
15:25
I
15:25
think
15:26
was
15:26
very
15:26
important
15:27
to
15:27
establish
15:28
with
15:29
each
15:29
of
15:29
the
15:29
teachers
15:29
I
15:29
work
15:30
with
15:30
is
15:30
a
15:30
relationship.
15:31
It's
15:31
a
15:31
level
15:32
of
15:32
rapport
15:32
because
15:34
I'm
15:34
trying
15:35
to
15:35
support
15:35
you
15:35
where
15:36
you
15:36
are.
15:37
And
15:38
we
15:39
all
15:39
have
15:39
kind
15:39
of
15:40
like,
15:40
you
15:40
know,
15:40
there's
15:40
other
15:41
things
15:41
we're
15:41
looking
15:41
for.
15:42
I'm
15:42
in
15:42
this
15:42
job
15:42
because
15:43
it's
15:43
a
15:43
pension,
15:43
or
15:44
I'm
15:44
in
15:44
this
15:44
job
15:44
because
15:45
their
15:46
summer's
15:46
off,
15:46
or
15:46
I'm
15:47
in
15:47
this
15:47
job
15:47
because
15:48
I
15:48
don't
15:49
have
15:49
to
15:49
work
15:49
weekends.
15:51
But
15:51
you're
15:51
in
15:51
this
15:52
classroom.
15:54
You've
15:54
taken
15:54
on
15:54
the
15:55
responsibility
15:56
of
15:57
transforming
15:57
other
15:57
people's
15:58
lives.
15:59
And
15:59
so
15:59
I'm
16:00
going
16:00
to
16:00
come
16:00
into
16:00
this
16:00
space
16:01
with
16:01
you
16:01
to
16:02
support
16:02
you
16:02
in
16:02
that
16:03
and
16:04
to
16:04
support
16:05
your
16:05
thinking
16:05
around
16:06
that,
16:07
even
16:07
while
16:08
there
16:08
may
16:08
be
16:08
other
16:09
ulterior
16:09
motives
16:10
or
16:10
even
16:10
while
16:10
there
16:11
may
16:11
be
16:11
other
16:11
pressures
16:12
like
16:12
by
16:12
and
16:13
large,
16:13
we
16:13
are
16:14
here
16:14
to
16:14
think
16:14
about
16:14
how
16:15
we
16:15
can
16:15
bring
16:16
these
16:17
13,
16:17
14,
16:18
15.
16:18
I'm
16:18
thinking
16:18
mainly
16:19
about
16:19
high
16:19
school
16:19
just
16:19
in
16:20
this
16:20
example,
16:21
from
16:22
being
16:23
in
16:24
homes
16:25
that
16:26
may
16:26
not
16:26
be
16:26
supportive
16:27
of
16:27
them
16:28
in
16:29
social
16:29
situations
16:30
that
16:31
could
16:31
be
16:32
very
16:32
challenging
16:33
in
16:34
personal
16:35
struggles
16:36
where
16:36
there
16:37
may
16:37
be
16:37
variables
16:38
that
16:38
are
16:39
at
16:39
play
16:39
that
16:40
they're
16:40
really
16:40
struggling
16:41
hard
16:41
against,
16:43
while
16:43
also
16:43
trying
16:44
to
16:45
help
16:45
them
16:45
understand
16:46
this
16:47
kind
16:47
of
16:49
approach
16:50
to
16:50
learning
16:50
about
16:51
this
16:51
particular
16:51
text
16:51
and
16:52
just
16:52
kind
16:52
of
16:52
thinking
16:53
kind
16:54
of
16:54
out
16:54
loud.
16:54
So
16:56
in
16:56
order
16:57
to
16:57
get
16:57
these
16:58
social
16:58
beings
17:00
invested
17:01
in
17:02
you
17:02
as
17:02
a
17:02
teacher
17:03
and
17:03
in
17:03
this
17:04
journey
17:04
and
17:04
in
17:04
this
17:05
classroom
17:05
community,
17:07
you're
17:07
going
17:07
to
17:07
have
17:07
to
17:08
center
17:08
yourself
17:09
as
17:09
a
17:10
support
17:10
for
17:10
all
17:10
of
17:11
that
17:11
and
17:12
not
17:12
a
17:13
kind
17:13
of
17:13
selfish
17:13
orientation
17:14
to
17:14
round
17:15
a
17:15
self
17:15
selfish
17:16
orientation
17:17
around.
17:17
I'm
17:18
in
17:18
here
17:18
to
17:18
get.
17:19
Cause
17:19
if
17:19
you're
17:20
in
17:20
a
17:20
classroom,
17:20
that's
17:21
the,
17:21
that's
17:21
the
17:22
most,
17:23
erroneous,
17:23
decision
17:23
to
17:24
make
17:24
is
17:24
to
17:24
come
17:24
into
17:25
a
17:25
teaching
17:26
job
17:26
or
17:26
position
17:27
because
17:28
you're
17:28
coming
17:28
to
17:28
get
17:29
something
17:30
that,
17:30
like
17:31
day
17:31
one,
17:32
you.
17:32
You
17:33
have
17:33
to
17:33
be
17:34
a
17:35
person
17:35
that
17:35
is
17:36
willing,
17:36
that
17:37
can
17:37
be
17:37
blunt,
17:38
to
17:38
give
17:39
way
17:39
more.
17:40
Way
17:40
more
17:40
of
17:40
yourself.
17:42
Then
17:42
you
17:42
may
17:42
even
17:42
already
17:43
have
17:43
the
17:43
capacity
17:44
to
17:44
give
17:44
in
17:44
that
17:44
moment
17:45
and
17:45
then
17:45
still
17:45
be
17:46
willing
17:46
the
17:46
next
17:46
day
17:47
to
17:47
try
17:47
again
17:48
and
17:48
then
17:48
be
17:48
willing
17:49
the
17:49
next
17:49
day
17:49
also
17:49
to
17:50
learn
17:50
more.
17:52
So
17:54
you
17:54
have
17:55
a
17:55
long
17:56
and
17:56
very
17:57
accomplished
17:58
career
17:59
as.
18:00
And
18:00
you're
18:00
still
18:00
very
18:00
young,
18:01
but
18:01
you
18:01
have
18:02
a
18:02
long
18:02
and
18:03
very
18:03
accomplished
18:03
career
18:04
as
18:04
an
18:05
educator,
18:06
and
18:06
you've
18:07
done
18:07
many
18:07
different
18:08
roles.
18:08
And
18:09
hearing
18:10
you
18:10
speak
18:10
about
18:11
what
18:12
you're
18:12
doing
18:12
in
18:12
classrooms
18:13
or
18:13
what
18:13
you've
18:13
done
18:13
in
18:13
classrooms
18:14
obviously
18:14
proves
18:15
that.
18:15
But
18:16
I
18:16
want
18:17
to
18:17
add
18:17
a
18:17
layer
18:18
to
18:18
the
18:18
conversation
18:20
because
18:20
you're
18:21
a
18:21
parent
18:23
as
18:23
well.
18:24
You
18:24
are
18:25
raising
18:25
children
18:27
who
18:27
are
18:27
two
18:27
of
18:28
them.
18:28
I
18:28
met
18:28
them,
18:28
and
18:28
they're
18:29
lovely,
18:32
and
18:32
they're
18:33
in
18:33
school.
18:34
And
18:35
so
18:36
not
18:36
only
18:37
are
18:37
you
18:37
a
18:37
seasoned,
18:39
dedicated,
18:39
and
18:39
hardworking
18:40
educator
18:41
yourself,
18:41
but
18:41
you're
18:42
also
18:43
a
18:43
mom
18:45
of
18:45
children
18:45
who
18:46
are
18:46
in
18:46
school.
18:47
So
18:48
what
18:49
has
18:49
surprised
18:50
you
18:51
most
18:53
about
18:53
navigating
18:54
schools,
18:55
not
18:55
now
18:56
as
18:56
an
18:56
educator,
18:57
but
18:57
as
18:57
a
18:57
mom?
18:59
What
18:59
has
19:00
surprised
19:01
me
19:01
is
19:02
that
19:02
when
19:03
you
19:03
meet
19:03
educators
19:05
that
19:06
love
19:07
your
19:08
child,
19:09
and
19:09
I
19:10
don't
19:10
just
19:10
mean
19:10
my
19:11
two
19:11
sons
19:11
in
19:12
particular,
19:12
but
19:12
I
19:12
mean,
19:13
as
19:13
any
19:13
parent
19:14
that
19:14
experiences
19:16
the
19:16
love
19:17
of
19:17
other
19:18
educators
19:18
for
19:19
your
19:19
child,
19:20
it
19:21
is
19:21
like
19:21
the
19:21
most
19:23
wonderful
19:25
feeling
19:25
because
19:26
you
19:26
feel
19:26
like
19:26
there's
19:27
a
19:27
team
19:28
that
19:28
is
19:28
volunteering
19:29
to
19:29
be
19:30
on
19:30
board
19:30
with
19:31
believing
19:31
as
19:31
you
19:32
do
19:33
that
19:35
your
19:35
baby,
19:36
if
19:36
you
19:36
will,
19:38
is
19:38
in.
19:39
Your
19:39
baby
19:40
is
19:40
in
19:40
good
19:41
hands,
19:42
capable
19:42
hands,
19:43
hands
19:44
that
19:44
will
19:44
not
19:44
drop
19:45
your
19:45
child.
19:46
And
19:46
that
19:47
is.
19:48
Oh,
19:49
I
19:49
got
19:49
so
19:49
many
19:49
examples.
19:50
Oh,
19:51
so
19:51
many
19:51
examples
19:51
of
19:52
that.
19:53
I
19:53
gotta
19:53
pin
19:53
that
19:54
one.
19:54
And
19:54
then
19:55
when
19:55
you
19:56
meet
19:57
people
19:57
who
19:59
have
20:00
already
20:01
predetermined
20:03
your
20:04
child's
20:06
trajectory,
20:07
irregardless
20:07
of
20:08
your
20:08
child
20:08
even
20:08
saying
20:08
one
20:09
word
20:09
or
20:09
even
20:09
showing
20:10
up,
20:11
they've
20:11
already
20:12
drawn
20:13
conclusions
20:14
that
20:14
are
20:15
not
20:16
for
20:16
the
20:17
greater
20:17
good
20:17
of
20:17
your
20:18
child.
20:18
And
20:19
when
20:19
they
20:19
make
20:19
those
20:20
beliefs
20:21
and
20:22
dispositions
20:23
and
20:23
that
20:23
agenda
20:24
known
20:25
and
20:25
they
20:26
act
20:26
on
20:26
it,
20:27
and
20:27
frankly,
20:28
when
20:28
they
20:28
act
20:28
on
20:28
it
20:29
with
20:29
cruelty,
20:30
it
20:30
is
20:31
one
20:31
of
20:32
the
20:32
most
20:33
heartbreaking
20:34
things
20:34
that
20:35
can
20:35
happen.
20:36
And
20:36
I'm
20:37
thinking
20:37
of,
20:37
like,
20:37
one
20:38
particular
20:38
experience.
20:38
And
20:38
I
20:39
can.
20:39
I'll
20:39
unpack
20:40
that
20:40
in
20:40
a
20:40
moment
20:40
where
20:41
after
20:42
this
20:42
particular
20:43
experience,
20:43
I
20:43
remember
20:44
there's
20:45
only
20:45
two
20:46
moments
20:47
in
20:47
my
20:47
life
20:48
where
20:48
I
20:48
have
20:48
ever
20:50
cried
20:50
and
20:51
have
20:51
been
20:51
inconsolable.
20:52
And
20:53
one
20:53
was
20:53
with
20:54
the
20:54
death
20:54
of
20:54
my
20:54
mother,
20:55
and
20:55
the
20:55
other
20:56
was
20:56
with
20:56
this
20:56
incident
20:57
with
20:58
what
20:58
this
20:58
principal
20:59
had
20:59
pronounced
21:00
over
21:00
my
21:00
youngest
21:01
son,
21:01
Maceo
21:02
and
21:03
it
21:03
was
21:04
just,
21:05
phew.
21:06
So
21:06
going
21:07
to
21:07
the
21:07
good
21:07
example
21:08
first.
21:09
That
21:09
example
21:10
is
21:11
of
21:11
my
21:12
eldest
21:12
son,
21:13
Keith,
21:13
when
21:14
he
21:14
was
21:15
in
21:15
elementary
21:16
school
21:18
and
21:18
he
21:19
had,
21:20
he's
21:20
identified
21:21
as
21:21
gifted
21:21
and
21:21
talented.
21:22
And
21:22
he
21:22
had
21:23
this
21:23
teacher,
21:24
Dr.
21:24
Callahan.
21:26
She
21:27
was
21:27
incredible.
21:28
In
21:28
fact,
21:28
not
21:29
only
21:29
she
21:29
was
21:29
incredible
21:30
as
21:31
his
21:31
gifted
21:31
and
21:31
talented
21:32
teacher,
21:32
but
21:33
the
21:33
school
21:34
as
21:34
a
21:34
whole,
21:36
from
21:36
first
21:37
grade
21:37
to
21:37
fifth
21:38
grade,
21:39
every
21:39
single
21:40
one
21:40
of
21:40
his
21:40
teachers
21:41
were
21:41
just
21:42
very,
21:45
very
21:45
great
21:46
people
21:48
who
21:49
one
21:49
helped
21:50
Keith
21:51
navigate
21:52
the
21:53
pandemic,
21:55
but
21:56
also
21:57
were
21:57
very
22:00
creative,
22:03
invested,
22:05
loving,
22:06
supportive,
22:08
like,
22:08
just
22:08
wow.
22:09
But
22:09
I
22:09
want
22:09
to
22:09
focus
22:09
particularly
22:10
on,
22:11
on
22:11
Dr.
22:11
Callahan
22:12
because
22:12
she
22:15
asked
22:16
a
22:16
lot
22:16
of
22:16
questions
22:18
and
22:19
she
22:19
wanted
22:20
to
22:20
know
22:21
what
22:21
was
22:22
Keith's.
22:22
And
22:23
in
22:23
this
22:23
particular
22:24
school
22:24
district,
22:24
they
22:25
also
22:25
wrote
22:25
IEPs
22:26
for
22:26
the
22:26
gifted
22:27
kids.
22:27
So
22:28
she
22:28
wanted
22:29
to
22:29
have
22:29
input
22:30
from
22:30
us
22:30
about
22:31
what
22:31
do
22:31
we
22:31
know
22:31
about
22:32
our,
22:32
our
22:32
son,
22:33
what
22:33
does
22:33
he
22:33
like
22:34
to
22:34
do,
22:35
what
22:35
are
22:35
his
22:37
strengths,
22:38
what
22:38
are
22:38
his
22:39
interests?
22:40
And
22:41
she
22:41
treated
22:42
Keith
22:43
and
22:43
still
22:44
does
22:44
because
22:44
we
22:44
still
22:44
have
22:45
a
22:45
relationship
22:45
with
22:45
her,
22:45
even
22:46
with
22:46
him
22:46
now
22:46
approaching
22:47
high
22:48
school.
22:49
She
22:49
treated
22:49
Keith
22:50
on
22:50
this
22:51
upward
22:51
trajectory
22:52
like
22:52
all
22:52
he
22:52
could
22:53
go
22:53
was
22:53
up.
22:54
And
22:54
the
22:54
activities
22:55
that
22:56
she
22:57
gave
22:57
in
22:57
class,
22:58
the
22:58
assignments,
22:59
the
22:59
projects,
23:01
they
23:01
were
23:01
like,
23:02
they
23:02
had
23:02
these
23:03
moving
23:03
parts.
23:04
And
23:04
the
23:05
way
23:05
she
23:05
created,
23:06
like,
23:06
the
23:07
opportunities
23:07
for
23:08
kids
23:08
to
23:08
collaborate
23:09
and
23:09
question
23:10
and
23:11
their
23:11
own
23:12
individual.
23:12
It
23:12
was
23:12
just,
23:13
it
23:13
was
23:14
like
23:14
what
23:14
you
23:14
would
23:15
want
23:15
to
23:15
see
23:17
every
23:17
school
23:17
doing
23:18
with
23:18
every
23:19
single
23:19
child.
23:20
Like,
23:20
this
23:20
is
23:21
what
23:21
learning
23:21
looks
23:22
like.
23:22
When
23:22
a
23:22
teacher
23:23
creates
23:24
opportunities
23:25
for
23:26
parents
23:26
to
23:26
give
23:27
their
23:27
input
23:27
on
23:27
their
23:28
child's
23:28
learning,
23:29
they're
23:29
bringing
23:29
in
23:30
other
23:30
people
23:30
to
23:31
collaborate,
23:31
they're
23:32
bringing
23:32
in
23:32
these
23:33
different
23:34
opportunities.
23:35
Like,
23:35
Keith
23:35
was
23:35
learning
23:36
Scratch,
23:36
and
23:37
they
23:37
had
23:37
a
23:37
3D
23:38
printer
23:38
and
23:39
they
23:39
were
23:39
doing
23:40
different
23:41
math
23:41
competitions
23:42
and
23:42
they
23:42
were
23:42
doing
23:43
things
23:43
online,
23:44
they
23:44
were
23:44
doing
23:45
things
23:46
in
23:46
gardens.
23:47
And
23:47
it
23:47
was
23:47
just
23:48
like,
23:49
like
23:49
learning
23:49
was
23:50
everywhere
23:50
all
23:50
the
23:51
time.
23:51
And
23:51
that's
23:52
something
23:52
that
23:52
to
23:52
this
23:52
day,
23:54
I
23:54
just
23:55
really
23:55
appreciated
23:56
about,
23:57
about
23:58
Dr.
23:58
Callahan
23:59
as
23:59
a
23:59
teacher.
24:00
And
24:00
interestingly
24:01
enough,
24:01
at
24:01
the
24:01
time,
24:02
she
24:02
was
24:02
also
24:02
enrolled
24:03
in
24:04
grad
24:04
school.
24:04
So
24:05
she
24:05
got
24:06
her
24:06
doctorate
24:07
after
24:08
Keith
24:08
left
24:09
the
24:09
elementary
24:10
school.
24:11
So
24:11
her
24:12
also
24:12
being
24:12
a
24:12
continuous
24:13
learner
24:14
was
24:15
evidential
24:16
throughout
24:16
what
24:17
she
24:17
was
24:17
doing
24:17
in
24:18
the
24:18
classroom
24:18
with
24:19
the
24:19
students,
24:19
which
24:20
was
24:20
wonderful.
24:21
In
24:21
fact,
24:21
the
24:21
funniest
24:22
thing
24:22
was
24:22
like,
24:22
when
24:22
we
24:23
first
24:23
met
24:24
and
24:24
she
24:24
asked
24:26
Keith,
24:27
Keith
24:28
had
24:28
seen
24:28
the
24:29
3D
24:29
printer
24:30
in
24:30
the
24:30
classroom,
24:31
and
24:31
so
24:31
she
24:31
had
24:31
asked
24:32
him,
24:32
like,
24:32
you
24:32
know,
24:32
and
24:32
this
24:32
is
24:33
when
24:33
we
24:33
moved
24:33
into
24:33
the
24:34
school
24:34
district
24:34
and
24:35
meeting
24:35
for
24:35
the
24:35
first
24:36
time
24:36
and
24:36
getting
24:36
acclimated.
24:37
And
24:37
so
24:38
she
24:38
asked
24:38
Keith,
24:38
well,
24:38
what'd
24:39
be
24:39
something
24:39
you'd
24:39
like
24:40
to
24:40
do
24:41
to
24:42
create
24:42
on
24:42
the
24:42
3D
24:43
printer?
24:43
You
24:43
know,
24:43
Trying
24:43
to
24:44
prime
24:44
to
24:44
see
24:44
where
24:44
Keith's
24:45
mind
24:45
is.
24:45
And
24:45
Keith
24:46
was
24:46
like,
24:46
I
24:46
want
24:47
to
24:47
build
24:47
a
24:47
Millennium
24:47
Falcon.
24:48
And
24:48
I
24:49
was
24:49
like.
24:50
I
24:50
was
24:50
like,
24:51
exactly,
24:52
exactly.
24:53
She
24:54
gave
24:54
him
24:55
a
24:55
wooden
24:56
one,
24:56
like
24:56
the
24:57
pieces
24:57
to
24:57
make
24:57
and
24:57
build
24:58
a
24:58
wooden
24:58
one
24:58
instead.
24:59
Because
24:59
the
25:00
firmament
25:00
for
25:01
the
25:01
3D
25:02
printer
25:02
would
25:02
have
25:02
been
25:02
much.
25:03
But
25:04
that's
25:04
just
25:04
one
25:04
example
25:05
of
25:06
when
25:07
you're
25:07
in
25:07
a
25:07
place
25:08
where
25:09
a
25:09
teacher
25:09
believes
25:10
you
25:10
can
25:10
learn
25:12
and
25:12
they
25:12
give
25:12
you
25:13
opportunities
25:13
to
25:13
do
25:14
it
25:14
in
25:14
different.
25:14
In
25:15
various
25:15
modalities,
25:17
year
25:17
after
25:17
year
25:18
is
25:18
just,
25:19
wow,
25:19
that's
25:20
like
25:20
when
25:20
learning
25:21
goes
25:21
well.
25:23
And
25:23
I
25:23
just
25:23
want
25:23
to
25:24
give
25:24
another
25:24
brief
25:25
example
25:25
too.
25:25
If
25:26
we're
25:26
now.
25:27
Keith
25:27
is
25:27
now
25:27
in
25:28
private
25:28
school
25:28
and
25:29
that's
25:29
because
25:29
unfortunately,
25:30
of
25:31
experiences
25:31
both
25:32
our
25:32
students,
25:32
both
25:32
of
25:33
our
25:33
sons
25:33
had
25:33
in
25:33
a
25:33
particular
25:34
middle
25:35
school,
25:35
we
25:35
had
25:35
to
25:36
take
25:36
both
25:36
of
25:36
them
25:36
out
25:37
of
25:37
it.
25:37
Keith
25:38
is
25:38
enrolled
25:39
in
25:40
a
25:41
math
25:41
class
25:41
where
25:41
it's
25:42
reverse
25:42
curriculum
25:43
and
25:43
it's
25:43
accelerated
25:44
math.
25:44
So
25:45
they're
25:45
in
25:45
accelerated
25:46
algebra.
25:47
And
25:48
rather
25:48
than
25:49
the
25:49
teacher
25:50
come
25:50
in
25:50
and
25:50
teach,
25:51
there's
25:51
units
25:52
of
25:52
study,
25:52
but
25:53
the
25:53
kids
25:53
are
25:53
the
25:54
one
25:54
that
25:54
drive
25:54
the
25:55
question
25:55
course.
25:55
It's
25:56
flipped.
25:56
It's
25:57
flipped.
25:57
Exactly.
25:58
Dr.
25:59
And
25:59
so
26:00
this
26:00
actually
26:01
threw
26:01
Keith
26:02
for
26:02
a
26:02
while
26:02
because
26:03
Keith
26:03
was
26:03
very
26:04
used
26:04
to,
26:05
this
26:05
is
26:05
what
26:05
we're
26:05
going
26:06
to
26:06
do.
26:06
This
26:06
is
26:07
how
26:07
the
26:08
pacing,
26:08
this
26:08
is
26:08
the
26:09
curriculum,
26:09
this
26:09
is
26:10
the
26:10
sequence.
26:11
This
26:11
is
26:11
instead
26:13
predominantly
26:14
inquiry
26:15
driven.
26:16
And
26:17
this
26:17
has
26:17
been
26:18
hard
26:18
for
26:18
Keith,
26:19
but
26:19
I
26:20
love
26:20
it
26:20
for
26:20
him
26:21
because
26:21
he
26:21
has
26:22
the
26:22
capability
26:23
in
26:23
terms
26:23
of
26:24
the
26:24
mathematical
26:25
aspects.
26:26
But
26:26
now
26:26
he's
26:27
being
26:27
empowered
26:28
to
26:28
engage
26:29
in
26:29
his
26:29
own
26:30
inquiry,
26:30
to
26:31
investigate
26:32
what
26:32
it
26:32
is
26:32
he
26:33
doesn't
26:33
know,
26:34
how
26:35
can
26:35
he
26:35
find
26:35
it
26:36
out
26:36
and
26:36
who
26:37
does
26:37
he
26:37
need
26:37
to
26:37
ask
26:37
for
26:38
support
26:39
in
26:39
order
26:39
to
26:39
find
26:40
these
26:40
things
26:40
out?
26:40
And
26:41
then
26:41
what
26:41
does
26:42
he
26:42
need
26:42
to
26:42
do
26:42
in
26:42
terms
26:43
of
26:43
practice
26:43
to
26:44
master
26:44
it?
26:45
So
26:45
it
26:45
is
26:46
just,
26:47
I
26:48
love
26:48
this
26:48
for
26:49
him
26:49
and
26:49
I
26:49
love
26:50
this
26:50
for
26:50
him
26:51
in
26:51
this
26:51
setting
26:52
and
26:53
in
26:53
this
26:53
moment
26:54
of
26:54
his
26:54
life
26:54
and
26:54
now
26:55
being
26:55
a
26:56
preteen
26:57
teenager,
26:58
rather
26:58
becoming
26:58
a
26:58
teenager.
27:00
So
27:00
that's
27:01
the
27:01
good
27:01
part.
27:02
I
27:03
also
27:03
wanted
27:03
to
27:03
share
27:03
in
27:04
regards
27:04
to
27:04
Maceo.
27:05
One
27:05
of
27:05
the
27:06
things
27:06
I
27:06
loved
27:07
about
27:08
his
27:08
experience
27:08
in
27:09
elementary
27:09
school
27:10
was
27:11
both
27:11
from
27:11
the
27:11
administration
27:13
through
27:14
all
27:14
of
27:14
his
27:14
teachers
27:15
from
27:15
kindergarten
27:15
through
27:16
fifth
27:16
grade,
27:17
from
27:17
both
27:17
his
27:18
autism
27:18
support
27:19
teachers
27:20
as
27:20
well
27:20
as
27:20
general
27:21
education
27:21
teachers
27:22
and
27:22
the
27:23
therapeutic
27:24
staff
27:25
and
27:26
the
27:26
music
27:27
teacher
27:27
and
27:27
art
27:27
teacher
27:28
and
27:28
gym
27:28
teachers.
27:29
There
27:29
was
27:30
an
27:30
integrated
27:31
approach
27:32
to
27:32
supporting
27:33
him
27:33
and
27:33
the
27:34
other
27:34
students
27:34
who
27:34
were
27:35
on
27:35
the
27:35
spectrum
27:35
where
27:36
they
27:37
really
27:38
made
27:38
learning
27:39
as
27:39
inclusive
27:41
as
27:41
possible.
27:42
So
27:42
even
27:43
with
27:43
having
27:43
their
27:44
own
27:44
individual
27:45
classrooms
27:45
in
27:45
each
27:46
grade
27:46
level,
27:47
they
27:47
were
27:47
immersed
27:48
in
27:48
the
27:48
other
27:49
classrooms
27:49
with
27:49
the
27:49
other
27:50
kids
27:50
as
27:51
Much
27:51
as
27:51
could
27:51
be
27:52
supported,
27:53
as
27:53
much
27:53
as
27:54
it
27:54
could
27:54
be.
27:55
I
27:55
don't
27:55
want
27:55
to
27:55
say
27:56
tolerated,
27:56
but,
27:56
you
27:57
know,
27:57
sometimes,
27:58
like,
27:58
behaviorally,
27:59
Maceo
27:59
may
27:59
need
28:00
to
28:00
be,
28:00
you
28:00
know,
28:01
brought
28:01
back
28:01
to
28:01
his
28:01
classroom,
28:02
et
28:02
cetera,
28:03
but
28:03
it
28:03
was
28:03
always
28:04
with
28:04
the
28:05
thought
28:05
that
28:05
he
28:06
belongs
28:06
with
28:06
the
28:07
other
28:07
students.
28:08
And
28:09
that
28:09
to
28:09
me
28:09
was
28:10
just
28:10
so
28:10
empowering,
28:12
so
28:12
wonderful
28:12
to
28:13
see.
28:13
Because
28:14
ironically,
28:15
and
28:16
I'm
28:16
saying
28:16
this
28:16
from
28:16
having
28:17
been
28:17
the
28:17
IEP
28:18
meetings
28:18
where
28:18
it
28:19
is
28:20
heartbreaking
28:21
that
28:21
the
28:21
IEP
28:22
meetings
28:22
we've
28:23
had
28:23
with
28:24
his.
28:24
With
28:24
the
28:25
staff
28:25
while
28:25
he
28:25
was
28:25
in
28:26
elementary
28:26
school
28:28
have
28:28
been
28:29
like
28:29
celebrations.
28:30
Like,
28:30
what
28:30
did
28:30
he
28:31
accomplish?
28:32
What
28:32
do
28:33
next?
28:33
How
28:33
can
28:34
we
28:34
challenge
28:34
him?
28:35
Like,
28:35
those
28:35
were
28:36
the
28:36
questions
28:36
that
28:36
were
28:37
constantly
28:37
on
28:37
the
28:38
table
28:38
about
28:38
how
28:38
can
28:39
we
28:39
challenge
28:39
him
28:40
going
28:40
forward,
28:42
rather
28:43
than
28:43
just
28:43
using
28:43
this
28:44
document
28:44
as
28:44
can
28:45
we
28:45
just
28:45
cya
28:46
kind
28:46
of
28:46
thing.
28:47
And
28:48
one
28:48
particular,
28:50
not
28:50
just
28:50
one
28:50
particular
28:50
teacher,
28:51
like
28:51
every
28:51
one
28:52
of
28:52
his
28:52
teachers,
28:53
I
28:53
really
28:53
love
28:54
them
28:54
as
28:54
human
28:55
beings
28:55
as
28:55
well.
28:56
And.
28:56
And
28:56
we
28:56
keep
28:56
in
28:56
contact
28:57
even
28:57
after
28:58
Macio
28:58
has
28:58
now
28:59
left
28:59
the
28:59
school
29:00
and
29:00
the
29:00
administrators.
29:02
But
29:02
his
29:02
music
29:03
teacher
29:04
really
29:04
poured
29:05
into
29:05
him
29:06
and
29:06
with
29:06
the
29:07
support
29:07
of
29:07
the
29:08
administration,
29:09
also
29:10
created
29:10
an
29:10
opportunity
29:11
for
29:12
him
29:12
to
29:13
learn
29:13
how
29:14
to
29:14
play
29:14
the
29:14
cello,
29:16
piano,
29:17
xylophone,
29:18
and
29:18
just
29:19
in
29:19
small
29:19
little
29:20
bites,
29:20
like
29:20
15
29:21
minutes
29:21
a
29:21
day.
29:22
And
29:23
for
29:23
the
29:23
whole
29:24
school
29:25
to
29:25
be
29:25
able
29:25
to
29:26
support
29:27
this
29:27
one
29:27
little
29:27
child,
29:28
to
29:28
just
29:29
have
29:29
that
29:29
joy,
29:30
to
29:30
then
29:30
be
29:31
able
29:31
to
29:31
sit
29:31
and
29:32
perform
29:32
in
29:32
different
29:33
concerts,
29:34
to
29:34
be
29:35
on
29:35
stage
29:36
and
29:36
be
29:36
seen
29:37
next
29:37
to
29:37
his
29:37
peers
29:38
performing
29:40
was
29:40
just
29:41
wonderful
29:42
and
29:43
empowering
29:44
and
29:45
just
29:45
something
29:46
that
29:46
I.
29:48
I
29:48
just
29:48
wish
29:48
for
29:48
every
29:50
child
29:50
that
29:51
is
29:51
neurodiverse.
29:52
I
29:52
just
29:52
would
29:53
love
29:53
for
29:53
them
29:54
to
29:54
be
29:54
in
29:55
schools
29:55
where
29:56
there's
29:56
this
29:56
intentionally
29:57
concerted
29:58
effort
29:59
to
29:59
support
30:00
and
30:00
actualize
30:01
their
30:01
best
30:01
and
30:01
most
30:02
possible
30:02
good.
30:04
And
30:04
I've
30:05
seen
30:05
it
30:05
happen
30:05
in
30:06
this
30:07
particular
30:07
school
30:07
that
30:08
Maceo
30:08
had
30:08
attended
30:09
in
30:09
elementary
30:10
school.
30:12
But
30:12
on
30:12
the
30:12
flip
30:12
side,
30:13
yes,
30:15
a
30:15
lot
30:15
of
30:15
parents
30:15
also
30:16
experience,
30:18
especially
30:18
when
30:18
they
30:18
have
30:19
students
30:20
who
30:20
have
30:20
additional
30:21
needs
30:21
or
30:22
additional
30:22
struggles.
30:23
And
30:23
one
30:23
could
30:24
argue
30:24
that
30:24
almost
30:24
every
30:25
single
30:25
human
30:26
has
30:26
those,
30:27
but
30:27
we
30:27
tend
30:28
to
30:28
classify
30:28
some
30:30
more
30:30
than
30:31
others.
30:32
When
30:33
do
30:33
parents
30:34
feel
30:35
embarrassment
30:36
or
30:36
shame
30:37
when
30:37
they
30:37
interact
30:38
with
30:38
schools?
30:39
I
30:39
got
30:39
a
30:39
list
30:39
of
30:40
those
30:40
experiences
30:41
too.
30:41
So
30:41
the
30:42
embarrassment
30:42
and
30:43
shame
30:43
can
30:43
come
30:44
when
30:45
your
30:45
child
30:46
behaviorally
30:47
does
30:48
not
30:48
comply
30:49
with
30:50
how
30:50
others
30:50
expect
30:51
them
30:51
to
30:52
perform
30:53
and
30:54
how
30:54
others
30:55
may,
30:56
even
30:56
with
30:56
their
30:57
training,
30:58
may
30:58
just
30:59
perhaps
30:59
choose
31:00
that.
31:00
Well,
31:01
that's
31:01
not
31:02
my
31:02
problem.
31:03
So
31:04
examples
31:04
of
31:04
that
31:05
I
31:05
have
31:05
are
31:06
in
31:07
Maceo's
31:08
pre
31:08
K
31:09
experiences,
31:10
where
31:11
to
31:11
the
31:12
credit
31:12
of,
31:13
in
31:13
this
31:13
particular
31:14
school
31:14
district,
31:15
to
31:16
the
31:16
board
31:16
of
31:17
the
31:18
board's
31:19
president,
31:19
who
31:20
really
31:20
was
31:21
advocating
31:22
for
31:23
a
31:23
preschool
31:24
for
31:25
children
31:26
between
31:26
ages
31:27
of
31:27
3
31:27
and
31:27
5
31:27
who
31:28
were
31:28
diagnosed
31:28
with
31:29
autism
31:29
to
31:29
create
31:30
a
31:30
program
31:31
where
31:32
the
31:32
students
31:33
could
31:33
attend
31:34
and
31:34
get
31:34
acclimated
31:35
and
31:35
prepared
31:36
for
31:37
the
31:37
actual,
31:39
you
31:39
know,
31:39
the
31:39
start
31:39
of
31:40
school,
31:40
if
31:40
you
31:40
will,
31:40
like,
31:41
with
31:41
all
31:41
best
31:41
intentions.
31:42
But
31:43
when
31:43
the
31:43
rollout
31:44
of
31:44
the
31:44
actual
31:44
pre
31:45
K
31:45
program
31:45
started,
31:46
it
31:46
was
31:46
something
31:46
completely
31:47
different.
31:48
So
31:48
some
31:49
of
31:49
the
31:49
experiences
31:50
that
31:50
we
31:50
had,
31:51
which,
31:51
you
31:52
know,
31:52
again,
31:52
to
31:52
the
31:53
part
31:53
about,
31:53
like,
31:53
being
31:54
embarrassed
31:54
and
31:54
hurt
31:55
and
31:55
frustrated
31:56
would
31:56
be
31:56
things
31:56
like,
31:57
you
31:57
know,
31:57
the
31:57
Every,
31:58
seemingly
31:59
almost
31:59
every
31:59
day
32:00
getting
32:00
the
32:00
phone
32:00
call
32:01
of,
32:02
can
32:02
you
32:02
please
32:02
pick
32:02
up
32:03
your
32:03
child?
32:03
He's
32:03
mucusy.
32:05
Can
32:05
you
32:05
please
32:05
pick
32:06
up
32:06
your
32:06
child?
32:06
He
32:06
took
32:07
off
32:07
his
32:07
shoes
32:07
over
32:08
a
32:08
hundred
32:08
times
32:09
today.
32:11
I
32:11
had
32:11
one
32:12
experience
32:13
where
32:14
this
32:14
was
32:14
heartbreaking.
32:15
So
32:16
I
32:16
was
32:16
out
32:16
with
32:17
Keith,
32:17
and
32:17
Keith
32:18
had
32:18
just
32:19
graduated.
32:20
This
32:20
was
32:20
kindergarten,
32:21
so
32:21
I
32:22
was
32:22
taking
32:22
him
32:22
out
32:23
to
32:24
celebrate.
32:25
And
32:25
I
32:25
get
32:26
the
32:26
phone
32:26
call
32:27
from
32:27
Maceo
32:28
school.
32:29
Can
32:29
you
32:29
come
32:29
get
32:29
your
32:29
child?
32:30
So
32:31
when
32:31
I
32:31
go
32:32
to
32:32
get
32:33
Maceo,
32:34
I
32:34
walk
32:35
down
32:35
the
32:35
corridor
32:36
and
32:37
I'm
32:37
walking
32:38
to
32:38
what
32:39
I
32:39
can
32:39
hear
32:39
is
32:39
just
32:40
inconsolable
32:41
screaming.
32:42
Now,
32:42
if
32:43
you
32:43
know
32:43
Maceo,
32:44
Maceo's
32:45
temperament,
32:45
Maceo
32:46
is
32:46
not
32:46
a
32:47
screaming
32:47
child.
32:47
May
32:48
steal
32:48
is
32:48
a
32:49
very
32:50
happy,
32:50
joyful,
32:51
hugs
32:52
and
32:52
kisses
32:53
kind
32:53
of
32:53
child.
32:53
May
32:53
still
32:54
is
32:54
not
32:54
a
32:54
screamer.
32:55
He's
32:56
not
32:58
physically
32:58
violent.
32:59
None
33:00
of
33:00
that.
33:00
So
33:01
I'm
33:01
walking
33:01
down
33:02
the
33:02
hallway
33:02
and
33:02
I'm
33:03
looking
33:03
at
33:03
my
33:03
child
33:04
on
33:04
the
33:04
floor
33:05
screaming
33:05
and
33:06
crying.
33:06
I
33:07
see
33:07
two
33:07
teachers
33:08
standing
33:08
over
33:09
him
33:10
with
33:10
mask
33:11
and
33:11
gloves
33:12
on
33:13
and,
33:14
like,
33:14
treating
33:14
him
33:15
like
33:15
a
33:15
biohazard.
33:16
And
33:17
principal
33:17
standing
33:18
over
33:18
watching
33:19
this.
33:20
And
33:21
I
33:22
lost
33:23
what
33:23
felt
33:24
in
33:24
that
33:24
moment,
33:24
like,
33:25
all
33:25
of
33:25
my
33:26
composure
33:26
and
33:26
my
33:27
dignity.
33:27
Why
33:28
are
33:28
people
33:28
letting
33:28
this
33:29
child
33:29
roll
33:29
on
33:30
the
33:30
floor
33:30
like
33:30
this
33:30
and
33:31
watch
33:31
like
33:32
a
33:32
specimen?
33:32
These
33:32
are
33:33
supposed
33:33
to
33:33
be
33:33
the
33:33
people
33:34
trained
33:35
in
33:35
special
33:35
education
33:37
in,
33:37
In.
33:37
In.
33:38
In.
33:38
In
33:39
compassion.
33:40
Like,
33:41
this
33:41
is
33:41
my
33:41
first
33:41
time
33:42
having
33:42
a
33:42
child
33:43
with
33:43
autism.
33:44
You've
33:44
taught
33:45
multiple
33:45
children
33:46
on
33:46
the
33:46
spectrum.
33:47
I
33:47
don't
33:47
understand
33:48
why
33:48
this
33:48
situation
33:49
is
33:49
happening,
33:50
but
33:50
I
33:51
knew
33:51
I
33:51
needed
33:51
to
33:51
walk
33:52
in
33:52
there
33:52
with
33:52
dignity
33:53
and
33:53
I
33:53
needed
33:54
to
33:54
walk
33:54
with
33:54
my
33:54
child
33:55
out
33:55
with
33:56
dignity.
33:57
So
33:57
I
33:57
went,
33:58
I
33:58
got
33:59
Maceo,
34:00
picked
34:00
him
34:00
up,
34:01
and
34:01
I
34:01
walked
34:02
out
34:02
the
34:02
building
34:02
and
34:03
I
34:03
called
34:03
Kerwin,
34:04
because
34:04
at
34:04
the
34:04
time,
34:04
Kerwin
34:05
was
34:05
working
34:06
in
34:06
a
34:06
different
34:07
state.
34:07
And
34:07
I
34:07
told
34:07
him
34:07
what
34:08
had
34:08
happened.
34:08
And
34:08
I
34:08
said,
34:09
I'm
34:09
never
34:09
bringing
34:09
my
34:09
child
34:10
back
34:10
to
34:10
this
34:10
school
34:10
again.
34:11
Never
34:11
bringing
34:11
him
34:11
back
34:11
again.
34:12
And
34:13
even
34:13
though
34:13
his
34:14
graduation
34:14
was
34:15
just
34:15
supposed
34:15
to
34:15
be
34:16
a
34:16
little
34:16
over
34:16
a
34:17
week
34:17
later,
34:18
and
34:18
they
34:19
were
34:19
calling
34:20
and
34:20
saying,
34:20
hey,
34:21
come
34:21
back,
34:21
et
34:22
cetera,
34:22
it
34:22
was
34:22
like,
34:22
no,
34:23
no,
34:23
not,
34:23
not
34:24
this,
34:24
not
34:24
this,
34:25
not
34:25
again.
34:26
I've
34:27
had
34:27
the
34:27
other
34:27
Experiences.
34:28
And
34:28
I'll
34:29
fast
34:29
forward
34:30
to
34:30
when
34:31
Maceo
34:32
started
34:33
his
34:33
first
34:33
year
34:34
in
34:34
middle
34:35
school.
34:35
And
34:35
this
34:36
was
34:38
August,
34:39
and
34:39
we
34:39
were
34:40
already
34:40
getting
34:40
calls
34:41
from
34:41
his
34:42
teacher,
34:42
who
34:43
at
34:43
the
34:43
time
34:43
was
34:44
somebody
34:44
who
34:44
worked
34:45
in.
34:46
On
34:47
a
34:47
county
34:47
level,
34:48
was
34:48
working
34:49
in
34:49
an
34:49
intermediary
34:50
program
34:51
with
34:51
children
34:52
of
34:53
special
34:53
needs.
34:53
So
34:54
this
34:54
is
34:54
supposed
34:55
to
34:55
be
34:55
a
34:55
professional
34:56
who
34:56
has
34:56
worked
34:56
with
34:57
this
34:57
population
34:57
who
34:58
is
34:58
now
34:59
transferred
34:59
to
34:59
the
35:00
middle
35:00
school.
35:01
And
35:01
we're
35:02
getting
35:02
the
35:02
phone
35:02
calls
35:03
from
35:03
this
35:04
individual
35:04
already
35:04
and
35:05
saying,
35:06
you
35:06
know,
35:06
there's
35:06
concerns.
35:08
We
35:08
don't
35:08
know
35:08
if
35:08
we
35:08
can
35:09
take
35:09
him
35:09
out
35:09
on
35:09
a
35:10
field
35:10
trip,
35:11
even
35:11
to
35:11
the
35:11
point
35:12
where
35:12
they
35:12
got
35:12
the
35:12
superintendent
35:13
of
35:13
the
35:14
school
35:14
district
35:14
involved,
35:14
because
35:15
we
35:15
kept
35:15
pushing
35:15
on
35:16
of
35:16
all
35:16
the
35:16
kids
35:16
that
35:17
need
35:17
to
35:17
be
35:17
out
35:17
of
35:17
the
35:18
school
35:18
and
35:18
out
35:19
of
35:19
the.
35:19
Out
35:19
of
35:19
the
35:20
classroom
35:20
and
35:21
out
35:21
into
35:21
the
35:21
field
35:22
and
35:22
on
35:22
field
35:22
days
35:23
with
35:23
their.
35:23
With
35:23
their
35:24
peers,
35:24
this
35:25
is
35:25
one
35:25
of
35:25
them.
35:26
And
35:26
it
35:26
went
35:27
all
35:27
the
35:27
way
35:27
up
35:27
to
35:27
the
35:27
principal,
35:28
to
35:28
the
35:28
superintendent.
35:29
And
35:29
we
35:29
had
35:29
to
35:29
get
35:29
push
35:30
and
35:30
was
35:30
like,
35:30
no,
35:31
this
35:31
child
35:31
has
35:32
every
35:32
right
35:33
to
35:33
being
35:33
outside
35:34
with
35:34
the
35:35
children
35:35
just
35:35
like
35:35
everybody
35:36
else.
35:36
So
35:36
to
35:36
fast
35:37
forward
35:37
one
35:37
instance
35:38
when
35:38
Maceo
35:39
was
35:39
out
35:40
on
35:40
this
35:40
particular
35:40
field
35:41
trip,
35:41
he
35:42
wandered
35:42
over
35:42
to
35:43
where
35:43
they
35:43
had
35:43
these
35:43
food
35:44
trucks,
35:44
and
35:44
the
35:44
food
35:44
trucks
35:45
were
35:45
closed.
35:46
And
35:46
rather
35:47
than
35:47
just
35:47
bringing
35:47
him
35:48
back
35:48
from
35:48
what
35:49
we
35:49
were
35:49
told,
35:49
you
35:49
know,
35:50
Maceo
35:50
had
35:50
a
35:50
meltdown.
35:51
These
35:51
things
35:51
happen.
35:52
But
35:52
this
35:53
then
35:53
became
35:53
the
35:53
justification
35:54
for
35:54
letting
35:55
us
35:55
know
35:55
that
35:55
going
35:55
forward,
35:56
Maceo
35:57
would
35:57
require
35:59
two
35:59
aides
36:00
to
36:00
accompany
36:01
him
36:01
all
36:02
day
36:02
at
36:02
all
36:03
times.
36:03
And
36:03
that
36:03
has
36:04
never
36:04
been
36:04
the
36:04
case.
36:04
As
36:05
I
36:05
gave
36:05
an
36:06
example
36:06
of
36:06
when
36:06
he
36:06
was
36:07
at
36:07
the
36:07
elementary
36:08
school.
36:08
That
36:09
was
36:09
not
36:09
anything
36:09
that
36:09
even
36:10
ever
36:10
came
36:10
up
36:10
in
36:10
the
36:10
IEP
36:11
meetings.
36:11
It
36:11
was
36:11
never
36:12
required.
36:12
He
36:13
would
36:13
need
36:13
two
36:13
aides
36:14
ever.
36:14
And
36:15
Maceo
36:15
went
36:15
on
36:15
field
36:16
trips
36:16
to
36:18
the
36:18
fire
36:19
station,
36:20
the
36:20
library,
36:21
the
36:22
mall.
36:23
The
36:23
mall
36:23
to
36:24
see
36:24
Santa
36:24
during
36:25
Christmas,
36:27
going
36:27
out
36:27
for
36:28
apple
36:28
picking.
36:29
And
36:29
never
36:30
required.
36:31
And
36:32
never
36:32
did
36:32
we
36:32
hear
36:32
any
36:33
type
36:33
of
36:33
feedback
36:34
like
36:34
that
36:34
to
36:35
what
36:35
we
36:35
were
36:35
hearing
36:36
from
36:36
just
36:36
his
36:37
start
36:37
at
36:38
the
36:38
middle
36:39
school
36:39
in
36:39
August.
36:40
So
36:41
third
36:41
week
36:41
in
36:42
September
36:42
of
36:42
that
36:43
same
36:43
year,
36:44
we
36:44
had
36:44
the
36:44
meeting
36:44
with
36:45
the
36:45
principal
36:46
because
36:46
the
36:47
same
36:47
teacher
36:47
is
36:47
coming
36:48
in
36:48
and
36:48
saying,
36:48
well,
36:49
Maceo
36:49
is
36:50
eloping
36:50
to
36:50
the
36:50
bathroom
36:51
28
36:52
times
36:52
in
36:52
a
36:52
given
36:52
day.
36:53
Don't
36:53
even
36:53
know
36:53
how
36:54
that
36:54
mathematically
36:55
compose
36:55
computes,
36:56
because
36:57
how
36:58
was
36:58
he
36:58
going
36:58
to
36:58
the
36:58
bathroom
36:59
28
37:00
times
37:00
in
37:00
a
37:01
day?
37:01
What
37:01
are
37:01
you.
37:02
If
37:02
you're
37:02
recording
37:03
that,
37:03
what
37:04
are
37:04
you
37:04
doing
37:04
in
37:05
the
37:05
classroom
37:06
to
37:06
interrupt
37:07
that?
37:07
Why
37:08
is
37:08
even
37:09
from
37:09
an
37:09
ABC
37:10
approach,
37:10
what's
37:10
the
37:10
antecedent?
37:11
What
37:11
is
37:11
it
37:12
that's
37:12
happening
37:12
that
37:13
is
37:13
making
37:13
him
37:13
behaviorally
37:14
go
37:14
to
37:15
the
37:15
Bathroom.
37:15
And
37:15
then
37:15
what's
37:16
the
37:16
consequence?
37:17
What
37:17
are
37:17
you
37:17
trying
37:17
to
37:17
shift
37:18
in
37:18
that
37:19
kind
37:19
of
37:19
dynamic
37:19
so
37:20
it
37:20
doesn't
37:20
get
37:20
too.
37:21
The
37:21
28th
37:22
time?
37:22
So
37:23
we
37:23
never
37:23
got
37:24
an
37:24
answer
37:24
for
37:24
that.
37:24
But
37:25
in
37:25
this
37:25
meeting,
37:26
this
37:26
is
37:26
when
37:27
the
37:27
principal
37:27
who,
37:28
you
37:28
know,
37:28
basically
37:29
then
37:29
looks
37:29
to
37:30
us
37:30
and
37:30
says
37:31
very
37:31
plainly,
37:32
quote,
37:32
My
37:33
11
37:33
years
37:33
as
37:34
a
37:34
principal,
37:35
your
37:35
son
37:35
is
37:35
the
37:36
worst,
37:36
and
37:37
puts
37:38
that
37:38
in
37:38
the
37:38
room.
37:38
And
37:39
that
37:39
is
37:39
why
37:40
that
37:40
is
37:40
only
37:40
the
37:40
second
37:41
time
37:41
in
37:41
my
37:41
life
37:41
I
37:42
have
37:42
ever
37:42
cried
37:42
at
37:43
a
37:43
point
37:43
that
37:43
I
37:44
was
37:44
inconsolable.
37:45
And
37:45
after
37:46
that
37:46
is
37:46
when
37:46
he
37:47
then
37:47
said
37:47
that
37:47
basically
37:48
we
37:48
would
37:48
need
37:48
to
37:48
find
37:49
placement
37:49
for
37:49
our
37:49
child
37:50
somewhere
37:50
else.
37:51
Um,
37:52
moments
37:52
like
37:52
that
37:53
can
37:53
be
37:53
embarrassing
37:54
and
37:55
humiliating
37:56
for
37:56
a
37:57
parent
37:57
because
37:58
that's
37:59
an
37:59
administrator
38:00
already
38:00
signaling
38:02
to
38:02
staff
38:03
this
38:03
is
38:03
the
38:04
child
38:04
to
38:04
give
38:04
up
38:05
on,
38:05
child
38:05
to
38:06
no
38:06
longer
38:06
invest
38:07
in.
38:07
And
38:08
I'm
38:08
articulating
38:09
that
38:09
to
38:09
you
38:09
now
38:10
because
38:10
I'm
38:11
setting
38:11
the
38:11
tone
38:11
for
38:12
how
38:12
this
38:13
is
38:13
how
38:13
we're
38:13
going
38:13
to
38:14
deal
38:14
with
38:14
this
38:14
child
38:14
going
38:15
forward.
38:16
Mind
38:16
you,
38:16
this
38:17
was
38:17
Maceo
38:17
entering
38:18
the
38:18
equivalent
38:18
of
38:19
the
38:19
fifth
38:19
grade.
38:20
This
38:20
is
38:20
a
38:20
10
38:20
year
38:21
old
38:21
that
38:21
you
38:22
are
38:22
pronouncing
38:23
this
38:23
over
38:23
as
38:24
if
38:24
to
38:24
suggest
38:25
this
38:25
is,
38:25
you
38:25
know,
38:26
terminal.
38:27
End
38:27
of
38:27
story.
38:28
The
38:28
story
38:28
has
38:28
a
38:29
happy
38:29
ending
38:29
because
38:30
even
38:30
though
38:31
we
38:31
had
38:31
to
38:31
take
38:32
him
38:32
out
38:32
of
38:32
that
38:33
school
38:33
and
38:34
put
38:34
him
38:34
now
38:34
in
38:35
an
38:35
approved
38:35
private
38:36
school,
38:37
Maceo
38:37
is
38:38
thriving.
38:39
We
38:39
just
38:39
had
38:39
his
38:40
IEP
38:41
meeting
38:41
a
38:41
few
38:41
weeks
38:42
ago
38:43
and
38:43
in
38:43
collaboration
38:44
with
38:44
our
38:45
current
38:45
school
38:45
district
38:46
and
38:47
the
38:47
private
38:47
school,
38:48
the
38:48
school
38:49
district
38:49
is
38:50
very
38:50
supportive,
38:51
agrees
38:51
with
38:52
the
38:52
therapeutic
38:53
and
38:53
educational
38:54
approach
38:55
that
38:55
the
38:55
school
38:55
is
38:55
suggesting
38:56
from
38:56
aco.
38:57
They
38:57
also
38:58
are,
38:59
in
38:59
terms
38:59
of
38:59
the
38:59
staff,
39:01
very
39:02
like
39:03
competency
39:03
based,
39:04
very
39:04
data
39:05
driven
39:06
and
39:06
very
39:07
empathetic.
39:08
Like
39:08
we
39:08
have
39:09
never
39:09
had.
39:11
We
39:11
had
39:12
like,
39:12
you
39:12
know,
39:12
had
39:13
the.
39:13
What's
39:13
the
39:13
conversation?
39:14
I'm
39:14
thinking
39:14
of,
39:14
you
39:15
know,
39:15
different
39:15
ways
39:15
to
39:15
kind
39:16
of
39:16
interrupt
39:16
different
39:16
aberrant
39:17
behaviors.
39:18
But
39:18
it
39:18
has
39:18
never
39:19
been
39:19
a
39:19
deficit
39:20
model
39:20
and
39:20
it
39:20
has
39:21
never
39:21
been
39:21
punitive
39:22
either.
39:22
It
39:22
has
39:22
always
39:22
been,
39:23
well,
39:23
this
39:23
is
39:23
what
39:24
happened
39:24
this
39:24
day,
39:25
this
39:25
is
39:25
how
39:25
we
39:25
approached
39:26
it.
39:27
There
39:27
have
39:27
maybe
39:28
since
39:28
Maceo
39:28
has
39:28
been
39:29
at
39:29
this
39:29
school,
39:30
and
39:30
this
39:30
is
39:30
now
39:30
going
39:31
on
39:31
two
39:31
and
39:31
a
39:31
half
39:32
years,
39:32
one
39:32
or
39:33
two
39:33
times
39:33
in
39:33
which
39:33
they've
39:34
had
39:34
to
39:34
implement
39:35
a
39:35
restraint
39:35
on
39:36
Maceo.
39:37
But
39:37
that
39:37
was
39:37
literally
39:38
at
39:38
the
39:38
beginning
39:38
of
39:39
when
39:39
he
39:39
started.
39:40
But
39:40
I
39:40
can
39:41
tell
39:41
you,
39:41
and
39:41
our
39:41
guessing
39:42
is
39:42
because
39:42
of
39:43
the
39:43
trauma
39:44
that
39:45
he
39:45
has
39:45
experienced
39:46
at
39:46
this
39:47
other
39:47
school,
39:48
that
39:49
once
39:49
he
39:49
acclimated
39:50
to
39:50
this
39:50
school,
39:50
we
39:51
have
39:51
never
39:51
had
39:51
conversations
39:52
like
39:52
that
39:52
about
39:53
Maceo.
39:53
Again,
39:54
as
39:54
a
39:54
tangent,
39:55
I
39:55
think
39:55
one
39:56
of
39:56
the
39:56
things
39:57
that
39:58
has
39:58
helped
39:59
in
39:59
setting
39:59
the
39:59
tone
40:00
for
40:00
as
40:00
our
40:01
lessons
40:01
Learned
40:01
is
40:02
to
40:02
be
40:02
in
40:02
constant
40:03
conversation
40:03
with
40:04
staff.
40:04
We've
40:04
initiated
40:06
and
40:06
the
40:06
school
40:06
that
40:06
he's
40:07
at
40:07
has
40:07
sustained
40:08
that.
40:08
We
40:08
talk
40:09
with
40:09
therapists
40:10
as
40:10
well
40:11
as
40:11
his
40:11
teachers,
40:13
bcba,
40:14
occupational
40:15
speech
40:16
teachers
40:16
as
40:16
well,
40:17
in
40:17
some
40:17
rotation
40:18
every
40:18
single
40:19
week.
40:19
And
40:20
not
40:20
as
40:20
in
40:20
a
40:21
kind
40:21
of
40:22
cya,
40:23
for
40:23
lack
40:23
of
40:23
a
40:23
better
40:24
term,
40:24
but
40:24
to
40:25
just
40:25
really
40:25
have
40:26
open
40:26
lines
40:27
of
40:27
communications
40:28
around.
40:28
If
40:28
there's
40:29
any
40:29
questions,
40:30
we
40:30
have.
40:30
If
40:30
there's
40:31
any
40:31
questions,
40:31
they
40:32
have
40:33
celebrations
40:33
of
40:34
progress,
40:35
inquiry
40:35
about
40:36
where
40:36
we
40:36
can
40:36
take
40:36
Maceo
40:37
next.
40:38
And
40:38
having
40:39
that
40:39
type
40:39
of
40:40
dynamic
40:41
in
40:41
place
40:42
that
40:42
we're
40:43
fostering
40:43
and
40:43
they're
40:44
fostering
40:44
and
40:45
together
40:45
we're
40:46
sustaining
40:47
is
40:47
helping
40:48
to
40:48
keep
40:48
at
40:49
bay
40:50
the
40:50
other
40:50
things
40:51
that
40:51
can
40:51
then
40:51
precipitate
40:52
and
40:52
make
40:52
for
40:52
these
40:53
other
40:53
bad
40:54
situations
40:55
that
40:55
we've
40:55
experienced
40:56
previously.
40:58
So
40:58
needless
40:58
to
40:59
say,
40:59
I'm
40:59
alarmed
41:01
and
41:01
I
41:01
constantly
41:02
sit
41:02
in
41:02
a
41:03
state
41:03
of
41:03
alarm
41:04
because
41:04
for
41:04
me,
41:05
this
41:05
is
41:05
a
41:05
crisis
41:07
in
41:07
education.
41:09
Last
41:09
week,
41:09
Dr.
41:10
Manningard,
41:10
we
41:10
heard
41:11
from
41:11
a
41:11
student
41:12
who
41:13
also
41:14
identifies
41:15
with
41:15
neurodiverse
41:16
classifications.
41:17
And
41:17
she
41:18
told
41:18
about
41:18
the
41:19
trauma
41:19
that
41:19
she,
41:20
at
41:20
35
41:20
or
41:21
37,
41:21
still
41:22
experienced
41:23
from
41:23
the
41:23
third
41:24
grade
41:24
teacher
41:25
that
41:25
labeled
41:26
her
41:26
crippled
41:27
in
41:27
front
41:27
of
41:27
her
41:28
entire
41:28
class.
41:30
Now
41:30
I
41:30
hear
41:30
the
41:30
story
41:31
of
41:31
Maceo.
41:32
I
41:32
go
41:32
into
41:32
school
41:33
districts
41:33
all
41:33
the
41:33
time,
41:34
and
41:34
I
41:34
am
41:34
a
41:34
researcher
41:35
in
41:35
neurodiverse
41:36
space.
41:36
And
41:37
I
41:37
hear
41:38
deficit
41:39
stories,
41:40
sob
41:40
stories,
41:41
stories
41:42
of
41:42
pain,
41:43
anguish
41:43
and
41:43
trauma.
41:45
I
41:45
hear,
41:45
thank
41:46
God
41:46
Maceo
41:47
has
41:47
parents
41:48
and
41:48
Carrie
41:48
had
41:49
parents
41:49
that
41:49
advocated
41:50
for
41:50
her.
41:51
What
41:51
about
41:51
those
41:51
who
41:52
do
41:52
not
41:52
have
41:52
voice?
41:53
Right.
41:53
What
41:54
about
41:54
those
41:55
who
41:55
speak
41:55
a
41:55
different
41:56
language
41:56
and
41:56
are
41:57
new
41:57
to
41:57
the
41:57
westernized
41:58
educational
41:59
systems?
42:00
This
42:00
is
42:00
why
42:01
we
42:01
really,
42:01
in
42:02
this
42:02
space,
42:03
focus
42:03
on
42:03
the
42:03
humanizing
42:04
approach
42:05
to
42:05
education.
42:07
What
42:07
is
42:07
it
42:07
to
42:08
be
42:08
in
42:08
community
42:10
and
42:11
have
42:11
us
42:11
all
42:12
realize
42:12
that
42:13
all,
42:14
each
42:14
and
42:14
every
42:15
student
42:16
matters?
42:17
And
42:17
I
42:18
know.
42:18
Right.
42:19
And
42:19
I
42:19
know
42:19
that
42:20
every
42:20
educator
42:21
has
42:21
a.
42:21
Has
42:23
different
42:23
levels
42:24
of
42:24
expertise
42:26
and
42:26
we
42:26
have
42:26
different
42:27
levels
42:27
of
42:27
training
42:28
and
42:28
we
42:28
have
42:28
different
42:28
levels
42:29
of
42:29
ability
42:30
to
42:30
deal
42:30
with
42:32
challenging
42:32
situations.
42:33
But,
42:33
you
42:33
know,
42:34
we
42:34
need
42:34
to
42:34
remember.
42:36
We
42:36
need
42:36
to
42:36
remember
42:37
that
42:37
in
42:37
every
42:37
interaction
42:38
we
42:38
have
42:39
with
42:39
a
42:39
child,
42:40
that
42:40
that
42:41
child
42:43
is
42:44
someone's
42:44
baby.
42:47
Yeah,
42:47
right.
42:47
That
42:48
that
42:48
child,
42:50
even
42:50
if
42:50
that
42:51
person
42:52
can't
42:52
speak
42:53
and
42:53
can't
42:53
participate
42:55
in
42:55
what's
42:55
going
42:56
on,
42:58
they
42:59
are
42:59
someone's
42:59
baby.
43:01
And
43:01
we
43:01
need
43:02
to
43:02
remember
43:02
that.
43:02
We
43:02
need
43:03
to
43:03
remember
43:03
that.
43:04
We're
43:04
going
43:04
to
43:04
need
43:04
to
43:04
have
43:04
you
43:05
come
43:05
back.
43:07
Yes.
43:09
Because
43:10
we
43:10
need
43:10
to
43:11
continue
43:11
this
43:11
conversation
43:12
because
43:13
there's
43:13
a
43:13
lot
43:13
of
43:13
places,
43:14
there's
43:14
a
43:14
lot
43:14
of
43:15
conversation
43:15
yet
43:16
unsaid
43:18
that
43:19
we
43:19
need
43:19
to
43:20
talk
43:20
about.
43:21
But.
43:22
But
43:22
we
43:22
have
43:22
run
43:22
to
43:23
the
43:23
end
43:23
of
43:23
this
43:24
particular
43:24
episode.
43:25
And
43:26
thank
43:27
you
43:27
so
43:27
much
43:28
for
43:29
joining
43:29
us
43:29
here
43:30
today
43:31
in
43:31
the
43:31
Wheelhouse.
43:32
I
43:32
can't
43:33
wait
43:33
for
43:33
people
43:34
to
43:34
hear
43:34
your
43:35
story
43:35
and
43:36
to
43:36
hear
43:36
so
43:36
many
43:37
nuggets
43:37
of
43:37
wisdom
43:38
that
43:38
you
43:39
bring
43:39
to
43:39
us
43:39
to
43:40
help
43:40
us
43:40
remember
43:41
through
43:42
all
43:42
of
43:42
these
43:42
beautiful
43:43
stories
43:44
how
43:44
important
43:45
it
43:45
is
43:46
to
43:46
humanize
43:47
the
43:47
learning
43:48
space,
43:48
not
43:49
just
43:49
for
43:49
our
43:50
students,
43:50
but
43:50
for
43:51
our
43:51
educators,
43:51
too.
43:52
So
43:53
thank
43:53
you
43:53
so
43:53
much.
43:53
Yes.
43:54
Every
43:54
child
43:54
is
43:55
someone's
43:55
baby.
43:56
Every
43:56
child
43:57
is
43:57
someone's
43:57
baby.
43:58
And
43:58
with
43:58
that,
43:59
my
43:59
friends,
43:59
we'll
44:00
see
44:00
you
44:00
next
44:00
week
44:00
for
44:01
another
44:01
episode
44:01
of
44:02
the
44:02
Wheelhouse.
44:08
Let's
44:08
not
44:08
overcomplicate
44:09
this.
44:10
If
44:11
students
44:11
are
44:11
managing
44:12
embarrassment,
44:14
they're
44:14
not
44:14
managing
44:15
learning.
44:16
If
44:16
parents
44:17
are
44:17
managing
44:17
judgment,
44:19
they're
44:19
not
44:19
managing
44:20
partnership.
44:21
And
44:22
if
44:22
our
44:22
systems
44:23
rely,
44:24
even
44:25
quietly,
44:26
on
44:26
shame
44:27
to
44:27
function,
44:28
then
44:29
we
44:29
have
44:29
to
44:29
ask
44:29
a
44:29
harder
44:30
question.
44:32
Are
44:32
we
44:32
building
44:32
schools
44:33
that
44:33
work
44:34
or
44:35
schools
44:35
that
44:35
are
44:36
truly
44:36
human?
44:38
This
44:39
isn't
44:39
about
44:40
perfection.
44:41
It's
44:41
about
44:42
awareness
44:43
and
44:43
the
44:44
choices
44:44
we
44:45
make.
44:45
Next.
44:46
So
44:46
here's
44:47
the
44:47
move.
44:48
Pay
44:48
attention
44:49
to
44:49
the
44:49
moments
44:50
that
44:50
don't
44:50
show
44:51
up
44:51
in
44:51
your
44:51
data.
44:52
The
44:52
hesitation,
44:54
the
44:54
silence,
44:55
the
44:56
withdrawal.
44:57
That's
44:58
where
44:58
the
44:58
real
44:58
story
44:58
is.
45:00
Thank
45:00
you
45:00
for
45:00
joining
45:01
us
45:01
for
45:01
another
45:02
episode
45:03
of
45:03
the
45:03
Wheelhouse.
45:04
Until
45:05
next
45:05
time,
45:06
keep
45:06
your
45:06
doors
45:06
open
45:08
and
45:08
your
45:08
heart's
45:09
even
45:09
wider.