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Famous Exorcisms & Responding to Candace Owens | BONUS Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  Hey everybody, welcome back to the Lila Rose Show.
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  We are here live in studio doing another live here.
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  We're going to be joined shortly by the very great father Robert
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  Spitzer. Very excited about that
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  conversation we're going to have shortly here.
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  But I first wanted to start out by addressing a couple recent
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  news items that came through came my way.
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  One of them is a clip that several of you actually all sent
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  me as well as a few friends of Candace Owens doing a show
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  recently, I think this week. And she mentioned myself.
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  So I wanted to play that clip and just share some of my
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  thoughts in response to what Candace said.
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  Lila Rose, right Catholic does this whole speaks about and
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  she's always been very lovely to me, speaks about the pro-life
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  movement and converted to Catholicism and got a story
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  there. I met her through Marissa.
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  It's kind of the same people funding both.
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  And it was kind of interesting, like when I would see Lila kind
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  of jump on the attacking the crisis King or trying to
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  rationalize why we shouldn't say crisis King all the time.
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  And she was like a lone Catholic that was doing that.
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  And I then got super interested in her when she messaged me
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  about Andrew Tate and she had someone on her show that was
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  Andrew Tate's one of the accusers lawyers.
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  And I was like, this is nothing to do with the pro-life
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  movement. What are you doing?
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  I asked her and she's like, well, and that woman that
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  attacked me and took her Carlson, I said, that's weird.
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  Like that's kind of random. You're supposed to be the
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  pro-life person and you're talking about and you're talking
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  to Andrew Colvett's of of part the party to that lawsuit.
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  You're talking to her lawyer. Why on your show, why are you
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  the first show she would pick? Why doesn't she go on like CNN
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  or Fox News? And I looked and of course,
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  yeah, you got military, military all over of that background.
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  And I'm going, is anything not military?
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  I'm looking at Barry Weiss. So this was a segment from a
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  show that Candace was doing this week where she went through a
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  bunch of people in a line and was saying that they all had
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  military connections. And the insinuation, sort of the
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  background on all of this was sort of a negative insinuation.
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  They're negatively connected to the military and somehow they're
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  not to be trusted because of this.
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  And you know, I, I just want to say that I was disappointed to
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  see this from Candace because I'm very proud to be married to
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  my husband. Many of you may know that he
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  served in the US military, and I'm very proud of that.
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  And I think military members should be given actually our
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  respect. And I'm very grateful that my
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  husband served. He no longer is in the military,
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  but he did serve and I'm proud of him.
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  So I was just disappointed to see this insinuation that, you
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  know, bringing him into this very randomly again, I, I don't
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  think I've been in touch with Candace very much a little bit.
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  And for her to just kind of suddenly randomly do this was
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  very surprising to me and of course, surprising to get those
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  messages. And then another thing that was
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  just a bit odd to me was this insinuation that it's odd for me
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  to talk about anything other than pro-life or, or abortion
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  specifically. And anyone who watches this show
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  for the last over 2 years knows what we talk about on the show.
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  And certainly, certainly pro-life and abortion is
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  absolutely essential. We talk about that a lot.
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  But you'll know that we talk about so many other issues,
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  spirituality, health, faith, politics, so much more.
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  And so it, it, it's, it's sad to me when I see these insinuations
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  that are made not just about myself, but perhaps other people
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  and a narrative that seems to be suggested when it is so far from
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  reality. So wanted to leave it at that.
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  And I just want to say I love Candace.
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  I wish her the very best. And if she ever her wants to
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  talk to me, she is more than welcome to reach out and I would
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  be very happy to chat with her. So that is what I wanted to say
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  there. I do want to also address
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  something from JD Vance that happened at a TPUSA tour stop
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  yesterday. He made some comments on life
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  that I do want to address. So let's pull up that clip next.
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  There's a great question that he was asked by one of the students
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  at Ole Miss. Let's take a listen here.
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  Ole Miss Rebels for life. And I myself as the president am
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  100% pro-life. And I know you've stated you
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  being Catholic, that you in the past you've stated that you're
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  100% pro-life. But since joining the
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  presidential campaign as the VP, you've kind of wavered how you
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  see abortion. So I'm just wondering what your
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  stance is right now. And do you think that someone
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  else's right to liberty Trump's someone else's right to life?
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  Well, first of all, I, I appreciate your question and I
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  appreciate the work that you do. You asked the question, do I
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  think somebody else's right to liberty trump somebody else's
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  right to life? No, no, I do not.
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  I in fact do not believe that. Now you said I'm going to take
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  issue with something you said just the premise of the
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  question, which is that I've wavered on the pro-life issue.
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  I really do believe that the president has been the most
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  pro-life president in the history of the United States of
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  America. Now, that said, there are two
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  things that I think we have to keep in mind here.
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  Now, 1 is the very, very hard question of, you know, when we
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  talk about our abortion policy, there are some very, very
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  difficult educations. There are cases where you've
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  got, you know, an 11 year old girl who was raped who it would
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  be unsafe for her to bring the baby to term.
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  You've got situations where, you know, bringing a baby to term
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  would cause serious bodily harm, maybe, maybe death for the
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  mother. That's one of the reasons why we
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  believe in the exception in this, in these cases where you
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  have, again, they're edge cases, they're rare.
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  I think can pause here. So this was an opportunity.
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  And again, I I have a lot of love for JD Vance and I really
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  wish him well. I pray every day, as we all
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  should for the administration. But I think here for him to
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  respond, to say, yes, I believe that that someone's right to
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  life, the babies does trump someone else's right to liberty.
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  You know, I get to be free of parenthood.
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  That's the pro-life dichotomy, right?
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  Should you advocate for the mother to be able to end the
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  life of a baby at will for her own freedoms or let that baby
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  live? But he goes right to these hard
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  cases as they're sometimes called her exceptions and saying
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  we need exceptions. And so he's saying at the one
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  hand he's saying he doesn't compromise, but then in the next
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  breath he's immediately compromising and saying, well,
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  in these cases he's indicating abortion may be acceptable or we
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  should give it a pass, etcetera. The pro-life position is that
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  every single life has value, worth and rights.
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  It doesn't matter how you were conceived.
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  If you were conceived after sexual violence.
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  It doesn't matter if you have a disability.
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  It doesn't matter if you're lower income.
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  It doesn't matter any other standard.
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  You have value and you should be fought for and protected.
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  And I've seen bold leadership out of this administration on
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  other issues where they're unafraid of people yelling at
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  them and, you know, they don't worry about what people think of
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  them. And that's what I would love to
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  see on the issue of life, because we're not just talking
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  about, you know, something like taxes and, you know, you know,
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  my, my ability to make more money or my ability to do, you
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  know, whatever I want to do with my life.
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  It's about the lives of children, whether or not they're
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  going to actually be able to live or die.
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  Abortion is a black and white issue.
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  It is a life or death issue. And these children conceived
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  after rape, children with disability doesn't matter.
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  They deserve to live. JD Vance, also Vice President
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  Vance, indicated that in some cases abortion is medically
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  necessary. That is also not true.
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  This is a misconception that has been pushed by the pro abortion
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  side to justify abortion on demand, and it's not true.
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  There are thousands of medical professionals who are pro-life
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  who say you can care for them both.
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  You can love both Mama and baby. And in a very rare immediate
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  emergency situation that's life threatening for a mother, you
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  may do an early delivery of the baby, but that is not an
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  abortion. In that situation.
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  You're trying to help that baby still live and try to give that
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  baby the opportunity to live. You're not going in and killing
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  that baby in an abortion. So I think it was a opportunity
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  here that was a bit of a miss for the vice president.
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  Unfortunately, he did end strong in the clip.
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  So he ended by saying basically he basically at the end of the
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  clip references abortion as a form of human sacrifice and
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  talks about how ancient civilizations that had brothels
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  would find the bones of dead prostitute mothers alongside the
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  dead bodies of their little children.
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  She was kind of talking about as if abortion's human sacrifice.
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  So that was a strong ending. And he talks about Christianity,
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  but then he started with the so I just want to encourage the
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  vice president. I understand the administration
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  has has a compromise on this. I get that people want to see
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  bold leadership. I think bold leadership is
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  attractive, It's visionary. And I just encourage JD Vance, I
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  think is an incredible career in front of him to just hold fast
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  to 100% pro-life. I think it will invigorate the
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  base and he could be the best president we've ever had.
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  So just a just a quick note there for Vice President Vance.
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  All right, the best part of today's show is we're doing a
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  live special Halloween episode with one of my all time favorite
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  guests, Father Robert Spitzer of the Magic Center.
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  He is here in studio with me. Here he is.
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  Here's the great Father Robert Spitzer and we're going to talk
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  about spiritual warfare and Halloween.
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  Welcome to the show, Father. Thanks so much, Lila.
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  Great to be with you again. So glad you're here.
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  So first, people who haven't met you yet, tell us what Who is
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  Father Spitzer and the Magic Center?
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  What is the Magic Center? Magic Center basically provides
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  materials. It could be for teachers in
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  middle school or high school to get evidence for God, Jesus,
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  etcetera. Our whole purpose is to turn the
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  rising tide of unbelief in her culture with science based good
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  rational evidence that our students can truly see is
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  convincing, probative. And so we not only give
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  materials for that, we we have the modest AI app where people
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  can just go to that app and get any answer they want in the
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  confluence of science, reason, faith, scripture, morality,
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  etcetera, get the answers to their questions.
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  We also have a variety of other things that we do, confirmation
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  programs especially, and of course a big website and do a
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  lot of video programming and have my own television program
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  at EWTN trying to to promote all of these things so that our
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  young people have a fighting chance to not only maintain
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  their faith, but to evangelize in an increasingly secularized
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  culture. Amazing.
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  What do you think about Halloween?
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  There's been a bit of a or there's always this controversy,
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  but should Christians celebrate Halloween?
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  Halloween is demonic versus Halloween has Christian
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  tradition, and it's an opportunity to pray for souls
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  and. Well, Halloween started off as
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  you know, All Hallows Eve. And so, you know, essentially it
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  was like the vigil of Mass for the, you know, All Saints Day,
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  which would occur the day after. So the idea would be of course,
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  to to pray for people and to pray specifically through the
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  intercession of holy people. And so it did start off in a in
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  a very good way. And then of course, all these
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  various, let's say add-ons began to occur, which were really from
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  the secular culture. It it still hasn't lost its
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  significance. There is still an all hallowed
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  Eve's, you know, mass uniform before, you know, we have our
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  All Saints Day. But you know, all the costumes
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  that that have been going on, you know, let's face facts, you
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  know that most of it is harmless in my view, trick or treating,
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  et cetera, with, you know, little kids, you know, having
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  their their costumes and candy. Some of those artificial food
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  dyes in the candy, though, not so.
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  Not so. Not so good.
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  But I, I have her people say that there is an, A spike in a
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  cult activity around this time because people just love to love
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  to honor the devil. I mean, it's, that's the demonic
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  culture that we're living in and world that we're living in.
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  And that's a real, that is a reality.
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  But that doesn't mean that there isn't a Christian tradition of
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  praying for the dead, praying for souls as well as celebrating
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  the Saints in heaven. And we should do that tradition
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  laughing in the face of evil, because Christ has conquered
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  all. Well, that absolutely is true
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  and Christ has conquered evil completely.
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  And so we can laugh in the face of it.
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  But surely, you know, the things that are done and, you know, in
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  a cult practice that's terrible for people and people you know,
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  but just start to get into these games like CC or the Ouija board
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  or seemingly harmless, but are not by any means harmless.
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  They get into these things and the next thing you know, they
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  were inviting spirits into their own lives, which could cause an
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  infestation, that is to say, a haunting of some sort.
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  Sometimes it causes oppression, so in a kind of an external
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  oppression by evil or even sometimes possession.
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  And then of course that's that's a, you know, a terrible thing.
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  And there are many cases of, of people who have been obviously,
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  you know, bothered by this and they, they kind of get into it
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  because somebody teaches them or co-ops them into a group.
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  But boy, when you start inviting spirits into your life, you can
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  be sure nothing good is going to come out of this, no matter how
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  you you portray it. And you know, the, the idea of
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  going to cemeteries on Halloween or convoking Ouija board
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  sessions and Halloween, it's a terrible thing.
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  And all it's going to do is truly bring upon you a darkness
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  and a trouble you do not want. Just trust me, you do not want
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  that. And, and anybody who's been part
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  of exorcisms or deliverance ministry can tell you these,
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  these beings when they get a grip on you, I think can get a
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  grip on you really terrifically strongly.
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  And so sometimes the exorcisms will be required or you know,
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  you're going to have to have multiple house blessings to sort
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  of eradicate these, these spirits that you invite into
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  your premises. It's interesting because when
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  there's a real possession, it's inexplicable.
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  People are freaked out of their minds.
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  It can't be solved by like, you know, oh, they're just
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  schizophrenic and just take some drugs or they just have some
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  neurotypical behaviors. It's like, this is otherworldly.
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  This is scary. You call a Catholic priest, and
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  that's not to say any Christian can't pray for, you know,
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  someone to be covered in, in the blood of Jesus and to be saved.
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  But you really want an exorcist there who can command authority
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  in the name of Jesus. And I, so I, I guess that's the
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  first question I have for you about exorcism, Father Spitzer,
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  is what do you consider the authority of the priest in the
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  role of exorcism versus the spiritual battle authority that
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  every Christian in the name of Jesus can exercise?
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  Yeah, just to affirm what you're saying, the name of Jesus is
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  exceedingly powerful. And so if, if you just call upon
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  Jesus or you actually, you command a spirit in the name of
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  Jesus to say begone Satan and, and you just say that 10 times,
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  often times, you know, people who, you know, just are visited,
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  let's say by an evil spirit. I, I don't know if these things
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  happen to you, but certainly to many priests, of course, it, it,
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  it does happen, you know, or if you're trying to live a holy
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  life, you can expect, you know, to get the old pressure on the
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  chest or the wake up call at 3:00 in the morning or something
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  of that nature. I mean, obviously the evil
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  spirit tries temptations of various kinds, tries all all the
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  deadly sins that that he can, you know, bring upon you.
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  But at the end of the day, you know, he'll try and definitely
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  put the pressure on. And so you can see how this can
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  really have an effect. But the name of Jesus so
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  powerful as you've already said it, it really does normally have
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  an effect on driving the evil spirit away.
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  I mean, I frankly, I just say in the in the name of Jesus begun
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  say about. Jesus have mercy on me.
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  I think that's also it just like if you're feeling stressed or
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  under pressure, whether it's a sense of the of the supernatural
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  or the, you know, the demonic, even just Lord Jesus Christ, son
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  of God, have mercy on me. I feel like is another very
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  powerful. Very, very powerful.
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  But anyway, just the name of Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
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  That does it. It really drives evil away.
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  The priest though, does have an extraordinary ministry.
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  It goes back to the time of Jesus.
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  And you can see in all the Gospels, well, certainly Mark,
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  Matthew, the synoptic Gospels and Luke that Jesus does give
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  this power of exorcism to his apostles.
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  They go out and of course they come back with that, right?
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  Wow. Even the even the demons, you
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  know, are, are subject to us in your name and and they're just,
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  you know, Jesus. Well, don't be so surprised at
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  that. But of course they are subject.
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  I mean, just the name of Jesus. And these demons are being
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  driven away by the apostles, but they're given that extraordinary
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  ministry to cast out, you know, demons that have been invited
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  into a person, right. And normally it's, it's
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  definitely somebody has been doing something to invoke or
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  convoke a demon to come into their lives.
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  And it's at that point you probably need the charism that's
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  given by the church, which goes back, of course, to the time of
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  Jesus. And that charism is to persist
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  in the exorcism and to use the right of exorcism of the Roman
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  church to cast out demons. And it is effective in most
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  cases. You know, in the case of one of
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  the cases, Julia, that I could speak about, she was a high
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  priestess and she voluntarily stopped coming to the exorcisms.
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  However, I know it would have been effective if if she had
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  not. I know there's some cases that
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  we're going to get into where you've studied both
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  theologically and almost from a certainly a facts based
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  perspective of what happened in this case and an exorcism and
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  kind of taking it apart, like what is what is actually going
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  on in an exorcism. We actually have done several
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  shows with exorcists and they've been wonderful.
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  And I think what I want to do with you, Father, because you
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  are this great brilliant, one of the most brilliant minds of
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  today is really unpack, Yeah, not quite, but early unpack.
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  What is the almost the science of an exorcism?
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  What is it? What are the components?
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  All right, so we're getting into exorcisms on the show right now.
• 20:52
  2 very famous cases that Father Spitzer is going to walk us
• 20:56
  through and what we can glean as people of faith walking into the
• 21:01
  world of spiritual warfare, which it exists.
• 21:03
  The spiritual is, is more present than the physical.
• 21:06
  We don't even see it with our eyes, but it is just as real and
• 21:11
  it is eternity before us and around us.
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  So there's two cases we're going to talk about Father.
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  One of them is Robert Robbie Manheim.
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  And in the case of Julia the high priestess, these are
• 21:21
  documented cases of very famous exorcisms in the Jesuit
• 21:24
  tradition. Tell me, let's start with the
• 21:26
  high priestess Julia. Who was she?
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  Well, she was a case of Doctor Richard Gallagher.
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  He wrote a book called Demonic Foes, and he's been a consultant
• 21:36
  for exorcisms in the New York Diocese for long, long time.
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  He, he has certainly studied at Columbia and, you know, has his
• 21:44
  practice out of New York University and has done
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  multiple, multiple exorcisms with several different
• 21:52
  exercises. In any case, one of the cases
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  that he had was the case of this woman who, you know, she was a
• 21:59
  high priestess and she was a provider of aborted fetuses for
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  satanic ceremonies and. Pardon, it's that's crazy.
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  It's insane. Absolutely.
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  The, the quote UN quote, you know, the false sacrament of the
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  of, of the Satanist. It's, it's terrible.
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  And she was a provider, she, she rose to the, the point of high
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  priestess. And for that she was given
• 22:29
  multiple privileges. She, she had, of course, the
• 22:32
  capability of remote viewing. Dr. Gallagher actually witnessed
• 22:36
  it, you know, so, you know, one time she was talking with a, a
• 22:39
  Jesuit who was, was actually interviewing her for a, from a
• 22:44
  psychiatric perspective. And she's describing, you know,
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  the, the red curtains in his office, et cetera.
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  And, and Doctor Gallagher, well, you're talking to him over the
• 22:54
  phone, right? And she has, yes, but I can see
• 22:58
  it all. And of course, you know, she had
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  the capacity of course, to, to do things.
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  Sorry. Sorry to interrupt, but who
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  could see it all? Oh, Julia could could see it all
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  So. Julia was given a special power
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  demonically to see something else happening in real time.
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  Oh, yeah, and to cause problems like the night before Doctor
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  Gallagher was going to see her. You know, she has two.
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  He had two cats and and you know, the cats are sleeping away
• 23:27
  peacefully. All of a sudden they just start
• 23:30
  up and just start fighting and screeching and you know, I got
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  going absolutely crazy, separated the cats and the cats
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  still were going crazy. And then the next day when she
• 23:38
  came in, she goes. How'd you like those casts?
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  Stop it. I'm not kidding.
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  So I but I got to ask before we get into what actually happened
• 23:47
  during the exorcism with this, with this possessed person who
• 23:50
  is actively practicing the occult, right?
• 23:52
  Oh. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Satanist ultimately right at high priestess, but I I think
• 23:57
  this is also very comforting for for Christians and for all
• 23:59
  people to know that Satan is not all powerful.
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  Obviously it only has a little bit of power that God has
• 24:05
  provided him. And yes, he can do a lot of
• 24:07
  damage, but tell us about the limitations of Satan of, of
• 24:11
  Satan because he's not omniscient and he doesn't see
• 24:15
  the future, right? That is correct.
• 24:17
  So he can, he can act like he knows more than he knows because
• 24:20
  he's he's the power, he's the king of he's the accuser.
• 24:23
  He loves insinuating stuff, suggesting stuff.
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  He likes to pretend like he knows everything when he
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  doesn't. So what are the limit, the
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  limits of Satan's power? Well, there's basically several
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  major limits. I mean, first of all, Satan has
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  been completely, you know, conquered by Christ, as you've
• 24:43
  already said in the program. And so Christ, you know, he goes
• 24:47
  through 5 areas to defeat Satan, right?
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  That's one of his principal projects in coming, you know,
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  the, the Incarnate Son of God into the world.
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  So he has this battle with Satan in the desert.
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  He emerges victorious. Satan then is subject to the
• 25:02
  power of Christ. After that.
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  Then of course he Christ moves into a prolific ministry of
• 25:07
  exorcisms. And of course, then he gives his
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  apostles of the power to exorcise demons in his name.
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  And then he starts this church which is going to, you know,
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  continue to promulgate and and perpetuate this power of
• 25:25
  exorcism going forward. But the 5th and most vital thing
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  is that Christ conquers Satan in his passion and death and
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  resurrection. Once that complete self gift,
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  that gift of self and unconditional love occurs, that
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  becomes the power for every second act of sacrament of
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  reconciliation, the power behind the every, every time we
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  consecrate the whole Eucharist, et cetera.
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  You know, this is this comes from that one unrestricted act
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  of self sacrificial love on the cross.
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  Satan is completely powerless and and he doesn't even know
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  that Jesus has already turned the tables on him at the Last
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  Supper. He's, you know, promoting Judas
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  to go for it. He's, you know, he's promoting,
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  you know, the high priest to, you know, you know, kill him and
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  so forth and so on. He's got he's really got things
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  going and he's turning things. And then Jesus, you know, comes
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  with that Psalm 22 as his dying words right to my God, my God,
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  why have you forsaken me? But that of course, is not a
• 26:29
  Psalm of giving up or, you know, grievance or or despair It It's
• 26:35
  the exactly the opposite. Psalm 22, The, you know, Jewish
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  people quoted the whole Psalm by the first line of the Psalm.
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  They didn't have a numeration system at the time.
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  So of course you quote the, that first line.
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  It refers to the whole Psalm, which is a Psalm of victory.
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  You know, the, the, the person who is being persecuted says, I
• 26:55
  know, you know, you're, you're going to make me emerge
• 26:57
  victorious. I trust in you.
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  It's a Psalm of trust. Then there's a recounting in
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  Psalm 22 of something really akin to to, you know, Jesus is
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  crucifixion. My tongue is stuck to the roof
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  of my mouth. They're piercing my hands and my
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  feet, you know, and they've numbered all my bones, etcetera,
• 27:14
  etcetera. The, the, the description, you
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  know, that's there. And then at the end, there's the
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  universal proclamation of salvation through the death of
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  the innocent, a servant. But what's going to happen is
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  that this, you know, power and love is going to come into the
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  world, not just for the present generation of Jewish peoples,
• 27:34
  but Gentile peoples for everybody.
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  It's going to be all the people have gone to into the world of
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  shit. Oh, the land of the dead, You
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  know, the, the ones who are righteous are going to be raised
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  up. She's going to and of course all
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  the people in the future believe in Jesus will of course come to
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  him and be victorious. So of course Satan's like, I
• 27:54
  mean, I get you can just see Jesus on the cross spouting, you
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  know, literally this, this Psalm really saying and sincerely as a
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  prayer. And all of a sudden he's getting
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  to the end and Satan is going, Oh, no, you know, I literally,
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  I, I have just given him the occasion to do an unrestricted
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  act of love which can overpower all sin for all time.
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  Blew up in his face. Blew up in his face.
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  Checkmate. And of course, that's so.
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  Cool about the faith. Like evil just tries to do evil
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  things and then just like checkmate checkmate.
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  Like evil's catch. Caught in his own snare
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  constantly like they lay the trap.
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  It's like that old, you know, cartoon where there's the
• 28:36
  Roadrunner. The what was it, the Roadrunner?
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  And who was the other cartoon character you know?
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  Coyote. Why?
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  Yeah, Coyote. Cannot get him, he just can't.
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  It's like, it's so, it's so fun. I mean, it's so beautiful.
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  Thanks be to God and His mercy. Oh yeah, that delimits to Satan
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  forever. So Satan is subject to the power
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  of exorcism. I mean, you know, before an
• 28:57
  exorcism, very commonly of the objective is to have somebody go
• 29:03
  to, you know, the sacrament of reconciliation sincerely and
• 29:06
  then try to get them to restart receiving the Holy Eucharist
• 29:11
  faithful, you know, sincerely, faithfully, worthily to to, to
• 29:14
  do that as many times as possible.
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  And of course, if you do that before the exorcism, all the
• 29:20
  better, because the exorcism has a much better the power.
• 29:23
  The power of the Eucharist. So in this case of Julia, so she
• 29:27
  was possessed, she was an active practitioner of the occult.
• 29:30
  Why was she even going through with an exorcism?
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  Why did she want to be exercised of the of the devil?
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  Two reasons. Of course, she was fearing for
• 29:39
  her eternal life. You know, she would tell, you
• 29:41
  know, a Doctor Gallagher. Well, you know, you know, I, I
• 29:45
  don't think Hell's going to be, you know, pure torment.
• 29:48
  You know, I mean, I, I think it's going to be a, a group of
• 29:51
  people who are like believers, But there, there could be some
• 29:53
  things, you know, that are dark that that could happen, you
• 29:57
  know, and you can see that she, she's very, you know, obviously
• 30:02
  disturbed by what her future would be.
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  And she also has figured out, you know, she, she's taking
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  these gifts, right? She has telepathic, you know,
• 30:13
  capabilities. She has remote viewing
• 30:15
  capabilities. She can cause shift to people
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  from afar. She can hear, you know, and
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  interfere with a telephone call or she's not even in proximity.
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  And Dr. Gallagher was calling the the Exorcist to talk about
• 30:30
  plans for the next day. She would come on with, you
• 30:34
  know, a hiss and so forth and so on.
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  She just pop into the call. She pop into the call with her
• 30:39
  demonic voice and interrupt things and.
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  So so she was possessed, but she also was afraid of Satan, even
• 30:46
  though she had invited him in. Now that he it was in, even
• 30:49
  though she had these special powers, she was terrified of
• 30:51
  what the consequence would be in her eternal soul.
• 30:54
  She seeks out this priest and an exorcist, and then what happens?
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  Is she Catholic, by the way? This woman?
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  She was baptized Catholic, but she had left the church.
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  What year is this roughly by? Pretty recent actually.
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  I, I'm going to just say 1980s maybe.
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  So somewhere in that neighborhood, so maybe a little
• 31:16
  later than that. But in any case, forgot he
• 31:19
  didn't indicate it. But she, she basically, you
• 31:23
  know, they get to the point, you know, where they're they they've
• 31:26
  done the first round of exorcisms and, you know, they're
• 31:29
  riding in the car, Julie is in the back and Oh my gosh, you
• 31:33
  know, all these demons are appearing on the windshield, so
• 31:35
  forth and so on and nearly crashes the car because of, you
• 31:39
  know, just these demonic powers that are controlling it.
• 31:43
  But finally, of course, you know, she, she starts saying,
• 31:45
  well, you know, maybe I want to slow down the exorcism thing,
• 31:50
  you know, and, and you know, they were asking her, what are
• 31:53
  you afraid of your coven? Are you afraid of your, you
• 31:56
  know, your, your group of fellow Satan worshippers?
• 32:00
  And she did admit, you know, that she was, she was scared of
• 32:02
  them, that they had a vast power.
• 32:05
  They probably knew what was going on and, and they could
• 32:08
  punish her, you know, so she was also scared of that.
• 32:12
  But does the the exorcisms proceeded?
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  All of a sudden one day she stops and there's just no
• 32:21
  explanation. She stops showing up.
• 32:23
  She stops showing up. So sad.
• 32:25
  So sad. So you know, it was one of those
• 32:27
  things were probably either she got caught up, you know, by her
• 32:35
  coven or by her group of people that fellow Satan worshippers.
• 32:40
  One way or another they brought her back in.
• 32:43
  But she said she definitely, you know, was, was feeling, you
• 32:49
  know, the, the, the pain of, of going through this exorcism.
• 32:53
  And you know, the, the on the phone, for example, when you
• 32:56
  when Doctor Gallagher was talking to the exorcist on the
• 32:59
  phone, you know, the voices that were coming on is she belongs to
• 33:03
  us. So she gave herself to us.
• 33:06
  She belongs to us. You're, you're not getting her
• 33:09
  ever. But.
• 33:10
  You know, do we know what happened to?
• 33:12
  Her. No, we do not.
• 33:13
  So she, she just chose to not continue to go through with the
• 33:17
  exorcism and, and Doctor Gallagher is, is reporting this
• 33:21
  because he's basically expressing what the visual
• 33:26
  manifestations can look like. Yes, but he also.
• 33:29
  And possession. And he's also trying to say, you
• 33:32
  know, if you get far enough in the occult, it's not easy to
• 33:37
  break away because of course, an exorcism has to be voluntary.
• 33:42
  There has to, you know, the person you know, has to
• 33:44
  cooperate with it. And so in the case of another
• 33:48
  case, I'll talk about with you, Robbie Manheim, you know, you
• 33:52
  know, if he didn't cooperate, you know it, it's almost
• 33:56
  impossible because the whole matter is of human free choice.
• 34:00
  So if she, she didn't, you know, she either she is caught up by
• 34:04
  the coven or, you know, she's just overwhelmed.
• 34:09
  Obviously the evil spirits knew she was going for this exorcism,
• 34:12
  probably told the people in the in the coven that that she was
• 34:16
  not to be trusted and maybe they pulled her back in.
• 34:20
  But no, there's there's no unknown end to the story.
• 34:24
  She just but the lesson of the story is you, the devil promised
• 34:30
  plenty of gifts. You know, this remote viewing,
• 34:33
  this ability to call us all, this mission from afar to all
• 34:37
  these things, you know, give you the, you know, Doctor Gallagher
• 34:41
  was a witness to all of it. But at the same time, you're
• 34:43
  going to pay. And it's hard to break away.
• 34:46
  But there have been several people who have practice
• 34:50
  Satanism on a high level who have broken away.
• 34:53
  And you can, you know, just look on the Internet, you can see
• 34:57
  some of these people who are now are doing the opposite ministry,
• 35:01
  helping other people to break out of the occult, to break out
• 35:04
  of these things, you know, and to, to bring a priest alone can,
• 35:09
  can do the Roman rite of exorcism.
• 35:11
  So essentially to bring them to a priest and to to help them out
• 35:15
  so. So when this case of Julian
• 35:18
  right now, folks tuning in, right now we're talking about
• 35:20
  exorcisms with Father Robert Spitzer.
• 35:23
  We're talking through some famous cases and some of the
• 35:25
  hallmarks of exorcism when they succeed, when they don't.
• 35:28
  We're just talking about this woman who was considered a high
• 35:31
  priestess in the occult or the Church of what she called, did
• 35:34
  they call it the Church of Satan or how would she call it?
• 35:37
  So the Church of Satan and she ended up regretting at least
• 35:42
  temporarily, her engagement of the evil 1 because it was
• 35:46
  fearful, yeah, fearful of eternal Hellfire,
• 35:49
  understandably, and also just it being completely crazy in your
• 35:52
  life. And then but she ended up
• 35:54
  stopping the exorcism ministry with this priest.
• 35:58
  She stopped going. And she had expressed before you
• 36:00
  were saying that she was feeling pressure perhaps by her coven of
• 36:05
  other witches and doubts about if she could should continue the
• 36:08
  process. That's right.
• 36:10
  It's so tragic. It's tragic because I, I think
• 36:14
  obviously Doctor Gallagher felt the same way.
• 36:15
  It's just like there, she, she was there and then she wasn't,
• 36:20
  you know, but she obviously was trying to wrestle with the
• 36:25
  power. That was very great indeed.
• 36:26
  But she could have turned to Christ and she could have said,
• 36:31
  you know, Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me, a Sinner.
• 36:35
  She could have done that. And of course, you know, she,
• 36:38
  she did that in cooperation with the exorcist and kept going.
• 36:42
  She could have been freed from that demonic force because this
• 36:47
  has happened many, many times before.
• 36:50
  So and including, you know, like Robbie Mannheim or other cases
• 36:54
  that Doctor Gallagher mentions like Alice and so forth.
• 36:58
  So Robbie, Robbie Mannheim, Right.
• 37:01
  This is a more hopeful case. Yeah.
• 37:03
  Well, yes, we have a happier ending with this one.
• 37:06
  So A. Lot of crazy stuff in between,
• 37:09
  but yes. And before you share that about
• 37:11
  this case, just as another lesson learned from the Julia
• 37:14
  case, I think one of the things that you said is very beautiful
• 37:16
  is that we have free will and that anyone can call in the name
• 37:21
  of Jesus and he is faithful to answer.
• 37:22
  So there was, there's always hope.
• 37:24
  Anybody who's feeling possession, oppression,
• 37:27
  anything, or they're just committing really bad things in
• 37:29
  their life. Maybe they're caught in a
• 37:31
  habitual habit of very serious sin, addiction, pornography, you
• 37:36
  know, just constant narcissistic lying insinuations, whatever it
• 37:40
  is, they're just, you know, not on a good path themselves.
• 37:43
  Anyone, all of us can be saved. And that is such a hope for us
• 37:48
  individually and for the people that we love.
• 37:49
  So that is of the foundational principle of our faith.
• 37:53
  And of course, exorcism ministry, we wouldn't try if.
• 37:55
  Couldn't succeed that that's right and and that that free
• 37:59
  choice is going to be absolutely necessary and for me calling
• 38:02
  upon the name of Christ is going to be very, very necessary.
• 38:06
  In the case of Robbie it did happen.
• 38:08
  So you know, they they got him there, but but in the case of
• 38:12
  Julia, she she just couldn't put push it.
• 38:14
  Over what happened with Robbie fathers it's.
• 38:16
  There, well, he was a young boy, about 14 years old.
• 38:20
  And you know, initially she, you know, he was a kind of a loner
• 38:24
  kid. By the way, Thomas Allen has all
• 38:27
  of this depicted in his book called Possessed.
• 38:31
  And the full diary of the five Jesuits that were involved in
• 38:35
  the exorcism in Saint Louis is all there, you know, when in in
• 38:40
  that book possessed. So he puts it at the appendix
• 38:42
  there at the end. So you can actually read the
• 38:45
  notes of Father Bishop, who was the chief exorcist.
• 38:49
  And in the well, you, he, he was the person who did the, the
• 38:52
  diary. So you can actually see that
• 38:54
  there in, in Thomas Allen's book.
• 38:56
  Furthermore, it was that was the exorcism that was behind the,
• 39:00
  the movie and the book called the Exorcist.
• 39:03
  Of course, they changed the scene and and so forth.
• 39:05
  It started, it did start actually at Georgetown
• 39:08
  University, but it didn't move to Saint Louis.
• 39:11
  And in, in a later case. But anyway, Robbie was, you
• 39:14
  know, he's about 14 years old. He hung around with a
• 39:17
  spiritualist aunt. You didn't have a whole lot of
• 39:19
  friends at school and she taught him how to use the Ouija board,
• 39:24
  etcetera. Then his good friend to the you
• 39:27
  know, who is spiritualist on died.
• 39:29
  And so, you know, not knowing any better, he decides he's
• 39:34
  going to use the Ouija board to communicate with his
• 39:38
  spiritualist aunt. And of course, as she's using
• 39:42
  that Ouija board, you know, you know, the, the, the little, you
• 39:47
  know, marker that that comes out of the Ouija board and moves by
• 39:54
  not by your fingers, but by, you know, a spiritual force.
• 39:59
  You know, he manipulates the board and.
• 40:02
  And he the, the spirit tells him, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm
• 40:06
  your nice aunt, you know, But of course it's not his nice aunt
• 40:11
  and. So he heard a demonic so he's
• 40:12
  playing with his Ouija board and he hears A demonic voice saying
• 40:16
  I'm your nice aunt. And this is the Exorcist movie
• 40:19
  that was based off of this real case.
• 40:22
  Peter Blatty yeah. And so and and it was based on
• 40:25
  that diary, yes. And, and I know one of the
• 40:28
  Jesuits who probably. That movie is so terrifying.
• 40:30
  I can't watch it. I can't I it's like, it's just,
• 40:34
  I'm like, real life is scary enough.
• 40:36
  There's a lot of truth in that. Oh yeah.
• 40:39
  Well, this one was definitely a, a true 1.
• 40:42
  So he Robbie invites this, this spirit that's controlling the
• 40:47
  Ouija board into his life. And the minute he does, odd
• 40:52
  things begin to happen. So, you know, at night, you
• 40:55
  know, his bed is going, you know, just going up and down,
• 40:59
  you know, and of course, his chair is just spinning around.
• 41:04
  Furniture is moving in his room. You know, these chests of
• 41:07
  drawers are just going all over the place.
• 41:09
  Of course his parents are just going.
• 41:11
  What in the world is going on? So they they took him to a
• 41:17
  Lutheran minister and you know, that Luther minister said this
• 41:20
  is nothing more than something psychosomatic.
• 41:23
  You know, let me just take Robbie in for a couple of days.
• 41:26
  That's a pseudonym anyway. But you know, the case is also
• 41:31
  known as rolling dough. But the, the main point is takes
• 41:34
  in all Robbie into his his home. And of course, Robbie just
• 41:39
  levitates right off the bed, you know, and the, and the Luther
• 41:43
  minister, how's that psychosomatically produced, you
• 41:47
  know, So basically he says, I'm going to put you underneath the
• 41:54
  bed. Robbie levitates and lifts up
• 41:57
  the whole bed. And Rob's being crushed up
• 41:59
  against. So the Lutheran minister who's
• 42:01
  trying to help this young boy puts him under the bed because
• 42:04
  he thinks this. This is going to did.
• 42:07
  That hurt or injure Robbie. No, actually, you know, it's
• 42:11
  just he's saying, you know, stop it, stop it, you know, So of
• 42:14
  course, you know, finally the the minister gets Robbie out
• 42:17
  from under the bed. And of course, you know, this,
• 42:21
  like I said this, a paranormal activity is happening right and
• 42:25
  left. So the the Lutheran minister
• 42:27
  turns him back to his parents and he says, you know, probably
• 42:30
  better go see a Catholic priest. They know something about these
• 42:33
  things. So he gave up at least the
• 42:35
  psychosomatic explanation. But anyway, so they off they go.
• 42:41
  You know, this happens actually in a little suburb of Maryland
• 42:43
  outside Washington, DC. So they get an exorcist from the
• 42:49
  Diocese of Archdiocese of Baltimore and everything looks
• 42:53
  great, but they get this newly ordained priest.
• 42:56
  Now, of course, a newly ordained priest ought to be able to do an
• 42:59
  exorcist, but this kind of an exorcism where Robbie is clearly
• 43:03
  speaking languages like Latin that he doesn't know.
• 43:07
  But of course, the priest walks in there when he first sees
• 43:10
  Robbie, and he's speaking Latin to him.
• 43:14
  Has Robbie studied Latin for a long time?
• 43:16
  No, not a word of it, you know. And so of course, it's beginning
• 43:20
  to. These things are, you know,
• 43:22
  manifesting themselves. He knows things about the
• 43:24
  exorcist personal life that he couldn't possibly naturally
• 43:27
  stickly have known. So of course, you know, the the
• 43:31
  priest goes back to the diocese ballroom goes, you know, I'm
• 43:34
  telling you right now that this kid is exercise is it needs an
• 43:38
  exorcism. It's paranormal activity
• 43:40
  everywhere that he's speaking land.
• 43:42
  He's he knows things about me. And so they gave a permission
• 43:46
  for him to go to the Georgetown University Hospital.
• 43:49
  Why the Why the hospital? Because they want to keep him in
• 43:51
  a straitjacket. So he was that erratic?
• 43:54
  Yeah, so when he was manifesting, right, a person
• 43:58
  who's undergoing exorcism, you know, often times, like
• 44:01
  perfectly normal, right? And then all of a sudden when
• 44:04
  the eyes go back and the trance begins, then, you know, they can
• 44:10
  be, well, they are a totally different personality because
• 44:13
  their personality is completely subsumed to the demonic
• 44:17
  personality that is taken up. Now of course you devil can't
• 44:20
  affect your freedom, you know So when he when he stops covering
• 44:24
  over your real personality. You come back.
• 44:27
  You come back and you're perfectly free.
• 44:29
  Father, sorry to interrupt, but just to be clear on this or to
• 44:32
  understand it better for people listening, if someone's
• 44:34
  possessed and they're having a manifestation that's demonic,
• 44:37
  right? Like you see in the Exorcist
• 44:38
  movie, or we're talking about this case with this guy, this,
• 44:41
  you know, very unfortunate young man Robbie, until God frees him,
• 44:45
  of course, That's right. How long can the Satan maintain
• 44:49
  the manifestation? Like the episode of
• 44:51
  manifestation? Yeah, do we know how it can?
• 44:54
  Last for several hours really. It doesn't last generally that
• 44:58
  long generally at, you know, maybe an hour, maybe a 90
• 45:03
  minutes, but it can last several hours.
• 45:06
  In fact, in in in one time, you know, when Robbie was
• 45:09
  manifesting it, it was a very lengthy session when the when
• 45:16
  the Jesuits from Saint Louis University came in to start the
• 45:19
  exorcism part in Saint Louis, one of the the sessions was
• 45:24
  exceedingly long, several hours so.
• 45:26
  And when the person comes out of it, do they know that they do
• 45:29
  they remember? No, they do not.
• 45:31
  It's like they were asleep. Basically, yeah.
• 45:34
  Like, they're covered over. So they don't, They don't have.
• 45:36
  In fact, Robbie, after the whole thing was over, didn't recollect
• 45:41
  anything of those 39 days. You know, 39 exorcisms, 39 days,
• 45:46
  didn't recollect anything really, just lived a normal life
• 45:49
  with kids and so forth after that.
• 45:51
  Thank God. But thank God, thank.
• 45:53
  God, that's the happy ending, guys.
• 45:54
  Already we needed a happy ending after the Julia story.
• 45:58
  But one other question about the straitjacket, though.
• 46:00
  Because, you know, today, when exorcisms are done, there has to
• 46:04
  be great respect for people's freedom.
• 46:06
  That's right. But you can have people and
• 46:08
  generally should have people next to them holding their arms
• 46:12
  and things of that nature because a a person, once the
• 46:15
  exorcism begins, they start manifesting, they will try to
• 46:18
  attack the the exorcist. You should never do an exorcism.
• 46:21
  Well, appreciate you wouldn't you should never do an exorcism
• 46:23
  alone. You know, you should have people
• 46:25
  there for the purpose, specifically of restraint to
• 46:28
  that person if they become violent and agitated and they
• 46:31
  often do so. I mean, so, you know, again, you
• 46:36
  know, it's just prudence, right? But in that case, yeah, they did
• 46:40
  have a it was a qualified straight jacket.
• 46:42
  They didn't have his hand to hands tied tightly.
• 46:45
  And that was a mistake in a way, because what happened was in the
• 46:50
  in the Georgetown University Hospital.
• 46:53
  Robbie breaks free of his restraint.
• 46:57
  I mean, like Subaru and tree thing reaches under the bed.
• 47:00
  Remember the old bed springs that were a single layer of just
• 47:04
  bed springs on a with a thin mattress?
• 47:06
  He reaches under the bed and snaps off a nice piece of metal
• 47:12
  and carves the exorcist arm from his shoulder all the way down to
• 47:17
  his hand. He physically attacked.
• 47:18
  And physically attacked him and the blood just gushed right out
• 47:23
  of his. Arm was the Exorcist alone in
• 47:24
  the room with Robbie. Well, actually there were other
• 47:27
  there was a person there for medical purposes.
• 47:31
  They thought the restraint was significant, good enough, but
• 47:34
  not so and so. And luckily he was in this
• 47:38
  hospital, otherwise he could have just bled out right there.
• 47:41
  And so of course that traumatizes for newly ordained
• 47:46
  priest. And so, you know, the Diocese of
• 47:49
  Baltimore said, well, let's move this one along so that, you
• 47:54
  know, they, the parents said, OK, we'll go to Saint Louis.
• 47:59
  You know, we have relatives in Saint Louis.
• 48:01
  And so they, they move over to Saint Louis.
• 48:04
  But of course, they they move in with the the Lutheran relatives
• 48:09
  who again, just they have no idea what's going on.
• 48:13
  Robbie gets into that house and the prayer natural activities
• 48:17
  start going full blast. So, you know, they said we'll
• 48:21
  get, get to the Catholic diocese and one of the relatives, as a
• 48:25
  Catholic said, well, I'll, I'll talk to the Bishop, the
• 48:28
  Archbishop and say it was called up the Jesuits at, you know, at
• 48:33
  the Jesuit hall there and the chief of the, the head of the
• 48:37
  sociology department there. You know what, I was like to be
• 48:41
  the head exorcist along with five other people.
• 48:45
  Of course, a couple of those guys are bulky type Jesuits that
• 48:48
  were used for restraint purposes.
• 48:50
  But you know what they, what they did have three people.
• 48:53
  One was doing the, the diary and other one was, you know,
• 48:56
  assisting with the exorcism itself, etcetera, you know,
• 48:59
  psychological experts that were there to try and, and, and help
• 49:03
  to make sure that, I mean, there was no question there's
• 49:05
  paranormal. So I mean, they walked in for
• 49:07
  the first time in the upper room and the second floor of this
• 49:11
  house and they get into that second floor and of course they
• 49:15
  had relics and holy water and things were just flying out of
• 49:19
  their hands. You know, literally, you know,
• 49:22
  in the, the, the, the relics were being smashed against the
• 49:25
  wall. You know, all kinds of things
• 49:27
  were happening. You know that, that, you know,
• 49:30
  then the chest of drawers is starting to move right across.
• 49:33
  You know, there's nobody moving it, right?
• 49:35
  It's just moving all across the room.
• 49:37
  And these guys are going, whoa. You know, I think we can report
• 49:41
  fairly to the Bishop that this boy is truly possessed.
• 49:45
  I've got to, I've got to ask though, because this is such a
• 49:48
  famous exorcism story that you're telling and it's so
• 49:51
  extreme. And there are, I mean, we've had
• 49:54
  Exorcist on the show, like I said earlier, and they've told a
• 49:56
  lot of stories. Rarely are they anywhere close
• 49:58
  to this extreme. Why?
• 50:00
  I mean, a lot of play with Ouija boards, a lot of people mess
• 50:05
  around with the occult and some people are totally fine and some
• 50:09
  people have a little bit of demonic oppression, but nothing
• 50:12
  like this, nothing like possession.
• 50:14
  It's, it's such a good question. You know, I, I guess, you know,
• 50:19
  Robbie had repeatedly invited that spirit, you know, into him,
• 50:23
  I think mistaking it for his spiritualist aunt.
• 50:28
  And of course it it, it actually was, I think of, you know, when
• 50:32
  in terms of a hierarchy, if I can put it that way, of demonic
• 50:36
  spirits, this spirit was a, you know, high up in that hierarchy.
• 50:40
  And, you know, at the end of the exorcism, if I might just get to
• 50:44
  this, you know, and say Michael comes, you know, and, and and
• 50:47
  does into the final act, as it were, and I'll get to it in just
• 50:53
  a moment. But to make a Long story short,
• 50:56
  they, my, my thought is clearly Robbie, you know, invited this
• 51:03
  spirit and half of it was ignorance and half of it was
• 51:06
  bogus information he had received from his aunt.
• 51:10
  But when he wasn't manifesting, the Jesuits were talking to him
• 51:16
  and just basically saying, you don't know, Robbie, what we like
• 51:20
  to do is how would you like to be a Catholic?
• 51:23
  You know, and you know, and he goes, well, why?
• 51:26
  And when we got these sacraments of reconciliation, the
• 51:29
  Eucharist, you know, and they're very powerful and they're going
• 51:32
  to help us, you know. And So what we need you to do
• 51:36
  ultimately is we need you to understand this profession of
• 51:39
  faith and to take it. And then of course, to, to see
• 51:44
  if you can do reconciliation and then to do receive the Holy
• 51:48
  Eucharist. Well, over the course of, you
• 51:51
  know, this 39 days, right, They had to move the, the, the
• 51:55
  exorcism first. They tried to start at a college
• 51:58
  church where I was at Saint Louis University, you know, and
• 52:03
  it was just, you know, the noise, the cantankerousness,
• 52:06
  the, the, the bellowing, the, you know, the crazy stuff, the
• 52:10
  paranormal activity. They had to move it out of the
• 52:13
  college church. So they brought us the Alexian
• 52:16
  brothers retreat house across town.
• 52:19
  And there the exorcism continued.
• 52:21
  And and when it when it did continue, you know, Robbie
• 52:25
  would, you know, just have dots all over his chest.
• 52:29
  You know, all these messages were popping up dots, dots like,
• 52:33
  you know, like welts. They were coming off of his
• 52:36
  chest. Like like externally?
• 52:38
  Externally spelling out you know, go away or Satan or exit
• 52:45
  or wow, you know and arrows and is.
• 52:48
  That a typical thing, and I haven't heard that one before
• 52:51
  that that's many exorcist that that can be done.
• 52:54
  Definitely the scratches are very, very typical.
• 52:57
  Yeah. So, you know, scratches things
• 52:59
  or, you know, the, the beatings of, you know, or, or a person
• 53:03
  is, is really beaten up by spirits, you know, and, and, and
• 53:07
  so there's, you know, bruisings and and so forth.
• 53:11
  You know, those things do happen.
• 53:12
  Yes. So the scratching, these kind of
• 53:15
  sort of super welts that are coming out of Robbie.
• 53:18
  They they come and go and they give these messages and of
• 53:21
  course that, you know, these Jesuits, a bunch of academics,
• 53:24
  you know, they're going, you know, they're trying to figure
• 53:27
  this out. At the same time, they had
• 53:29
  really great faith, no question about it.
• 53:32
  But at the same time, they're, they're trying to, you know,
• 53:36
  make some sense, you know, out of it.
• 53:38
  But anyway, I'll just cut to the chase eventually that Robbie
• 53:44
  did, you know, take his profession of faith.
• 53:46
  They talked him into, you know, trying to, to, to take some of
• 53:50
  the Holy Eucharist. And eventually he takes a, you
• 53:52
  know what he did take and you know, you would spit it out
• 53:56
  normally or he'd go into a, you know, complete, you know,
• 54:01
  gripping down his teeth. I'm not going to do anything,
• 54:04
  you know, And he's screaming and yelling and terrible things that
• 54:08
  they say and the terrible demonic voice, you know.
• 54:11
  But anyway, she finally takes this, this piece of the Holy
• 54:16
  Eucharist on Easter Sunday. And I believe it was immediately
• 54:20
  thereafter, on Easter Monday, as they're performing the final
• 54:25
  exorcism, St. Michael appears right over
• 54:29
  Robbie. And he's pointing his sword
• 54:32
  right down at Robbie and saying, I am Saint Michael, get out of
• 54:38
  the boy. You know?
• 54:40
  And this happens about, I think, three times, something of that
• 54:44
  nature. And then when the Satan exits,
• 54:49
  you know, from Robbie, I mean, there's this boom and all the
• 54:56
  lights go off and the Lexian brothers who treat us, but not
• 55:00
  just there all the way across town where that exorcism, it
• 55:04
  started at the college church at Saint Louis University, all the
• 55:08
  lights go out and they heard the boom there.
• 55:11
  At that time, you know, priests had their own individual masses
• 55:15
  and smaller Chapel side chapels along the, the path there.
• 55:19
  So there were plenty of priests who are there heard that boom
• 55:23
  and you know, saw the lights go out in, in, in the, in the
• 55:26
  church or the exorcism had began, had begun.
• 55:29
  And then at the, at the end, Robbie was just sitting there
• 55:33
  very peacefully, no recollection of what had happened to him.
• 55:39
  As I said, he, he lived a, a pretty ordinary life after that.
• 55:45
  I know, you know, I've read some of the of the exorcist who
• 55:49
  afterwards said, well, it had an effect on them.
• 55:53
  You know, I mean more than it did on Robbie.
• 55:55
  They, the exorcist who were there could remember it.
• 55:59
  It did have a, have an effect on them, you know, not all, not
• 56:04
  something debilitating, but it, it, it did just, it kind of wore
• 56:10
  them thin. You know, it was a talk about,
• 56:13
  you call it the beginning, a spiritual struggle and, you
• 56:17
  know, spiritual warfare. And it was very much like that.
• 56:22
  But it was a very successful exorcism.
• 56:25
  The I think reality of spiritual warfare is not talked about
• 56:31
  enough by even Christians and certainly non Christians.
• 56:35
  I think they might sense it at points but they don't realize
• 56:38
  how dramatic it is. It's literally the battle for
• 56:40
  their souls, their eternal souls.
• 56:43
  There I've noticed that this conversation about spiritual
• 56:47
  warfare seems to be increasing, and it's more common today,
• 56:51
  which I'm really grateful for because I do think even in
• 56:55
  church to some degree, and I think by when I say church, I
• 56:57
  mean baptized Christians like larger Christianity, including
• 57:00
  our Protestant brothers and sisters.
• 57:02
  There's sometimes a hesitation to talk about this because we
• 57:07
  don't want to give Satan more credit than he's due, right?
• 57:10
  We don't want to like be, oh, he's so spooky and scary.
• 57:13
  Everybody be scared in like some essential sense because we
• 57:16
  should be scared of evil and reject evil.
• 57:18
  But God is all the power. That is correct.
• 57:21
  I, I, I guess where I'm going with this, I'm curious about
• 57:25
  with this famous exorcism that you just talked about with
• 57:27
  Robbie, that the movie The Exorcist is made after, it
• 57:31
  sounds like the people didn't know what to do with him,
• 57:34
  including some priests. They had to like figure this
• 57:36
  out. They weren't used to doing
• 57:37
  exorcisms. They weren't used to doing
• 57:39
  exorcisms certainly that were this intense for them.
• 57:42
  Do you think that that was something unique to that time in
• 57:46
  the church and now people are more equipped than they were
• 57:49
  then? Well, the exorcisms are, are
• 57:52
  generally in the hands of the diocese.
• 57:55
  So it really depends on how the Bishop or the the diocesan
• 58:00
  official, you know, prepares for having no exorcisms.
• 58:06
  Now today actually, I, I believe it was both Pope Benedict and
• 58:12
  again it was remanded by Pope Francis wanted to have
• 58:19
  exorcists, official diocesan exorcist in every diocese.
• 58:24
  That's great. It it absolutely is great
• 58:28
  because the the occult activity is 10 times greater than it was
• 58:32
  really during the time of Robbie Mannheim, so you know you.
• 58:36
  Think there's 10 times more occult activity today than
• 58:39
  during Robbie Mannheim? I would have to say at least 10
• 58:43
  times more, more evident occult activity.
• 58:46
  Maybe there was slightly more in past times, but there is a lot
• 58:51
  of it today and it, it has increased, no question.
• 58:56
  And, and because of the increase in the cult activity, you know,
• 59:01
  like if you're a good Catholic, you, you just don't see it.
• 59:04
  So you go, what, what are you talking about?
• 59:05
  I know or see anything like that.
• 59:07
  If you're going to church, you're not likely to see a whole
• 59:11
  lot of it. Church can keep you pretty safe.
• 59:13
  That's. Yeah, exactly so.
• 59:18
  I've heard, yeah, I I did hear about that, that Pope Francis
• 59:21
  and Bennett, Pope Benedict recommended or wanted that each
• 59:27
  diocese to have a designated exorcist.
• 59:30
  So someone was preparing and prepared and and everyone knew
• 59:32
  who to call. I've also heard that there has
• 59:36
  been, at least I've been told by some exorcists, including some
• 59:40
  who didn't come on the show, my show, and others that did, but
• 59:43
  some that didn't, that they, they didn't tell me that their
• 59:47
  Bishop said they couldn't come on the show, but they indicated
• 59:49
  that they were trying to not be so public about what they were
• 59:53
  doing or that they were maybe stepping it away.
• 59:55
  Again, it was kind of unclear. The indication to me was that
• 59:59
  there's still a hesitation even in the church about how to talk
• 1:00:02
  about these things and what to share is that.
• 1:00:04
  Would you say that's? True.
• 1:00:05
  Yes, yes, that's true because you know, there's first of all,
• 1:00:12
  you don't want to cause, you know, a kind of a needless fear,
• 1:00:18
  right. So if you give the the devil so
• 1:00:21
  much credit that you're looking for the devil under every stone,
• 1:00:26
  you know, it might have a backwards effect on what you're
• 1:00:30
  really trying to accomplish, namely to get Christ omnipresent
• 1:00:34
  rather than the devil omnipresent.
• 1:00:37
  So I think that's always been a concern for the church not to
• 1:00:42
  over, you know, you know, to, to over emphasize the devil, but at
• 1:00:50
  the same time, you really have to be careful of under
• 1:00:54
  emphasizing the devil because you know, this dark spirit.
• 1:00:59
  I, I wrote a book on this, you know, Christ versus Satan in our
• 1:01:02
  daily lives, because I, I really do think that we have not
• 1:01:07
  emphasized this enough. And sometimes we're trying to do
• 1:01:11
  it to be nice, quote UN quote, you know, that we don't want to
• 1:01:15
  scare children. In fact, once I was actually
• 1:01:17
  talking about my new book, you know, Christ versus Satan.
• 1:01:20
  At that time, I was new, you know what, in our daily lives.
• 1:01:24
  And I was talking about it and one of the teachers in in the
• 1:01:28
  audience teachers, I'm a teacher.
• 1:01:30
  I couldn't possibly talk to my students.
• 1:01:34
  So I think they have so many problems in their own life
• 1:01:36
  already. I I just can't load this on him.
• 1:01:38
  Is this a Catholic school? Well, it was actually a public
• 1:01:42
  lecture. And she, she, she revealed that
• 1:01:44
  she was a teacher. And I just came right back at
• 1:01:47
  her and I said, you know, you know, not telling the child that
• 1:01:51
  playing out in the street, it, it, you know, it, it'll upset
• 1:01:55
  them if you say you could get hit by the car if you're playing
• 1:01:58
  out in the street, but you ought to tell them you had to forewarn
• 1:02:01
  them. Now, I don't think you should,
• 1:02:03
  you know, scare little kids or something like that, but high
• 1:02:06
  school kids, if they're old enough to get involved in CC and
• 1:02:11
  Ouija boards and everything else, and they will be invited
• 1:02:14
  into these things. It's a concerted attempt on the
• 1:02:18
  part of a cultist to bring the naive into that quote UN quote
• 1:02:24
  demonic fold. And so, you know, what are we
• 1:02:28
  thinking about? Of course we should.
• 1:02:31
  Jesus didn't hesitate to talk about, you know, the evil spirit
• 1:02:35
  to anybody. And he's, he's pretty blunt.
• 1:02:39
  He's a liar and he's a murderer. And, and it goes on to, to say,
• 1:02:44
  you know, you, you, you can't trust his, his, his, his
• 1:02:47
  tactics. And you know, you have to be
• 1:02:49
  alert, you know, to, to this evil spirit.
• 1:02:52
  And that's why he's given his apostles this capacity to do
• 1:02:57
  these exorcisms. So a part of me wants to say, of
• 1:03:00
  course, don't scare little kids. Absolutely.
• 1:03:05
  Please don't. On the other hand, when he is
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  in, a kid gets to high school, you ought to mention it.
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  They'll be invited into the other side of the game.
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  I would say junior high, even in an age appropriate for each
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  child. But you go to a Public Library
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  today, Father Spitzer, and they have books for toddlers with
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  Zodiac signs and they have a cult.
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  You know, like how to do a cult stuff in the library.
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  And I'm not talking about like, fanciful fiction.
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  Right I'm. Not talking about like fanciful
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  fiction, like the beautiful Narnia that has a witch in it.
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  And I'm not even casting aspersions on Harry Potter.
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  And like the universe that they've created.
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  And they're they're doing their own spells and stuff because
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  it's not, you know, teaching you do these spells and you will
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  then have this witchcraft after like, you know, you can access
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  the yeah, I. And although the heck, I'm sure
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  it's its own debate is like Harry Potter, good or bad, you
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  know, what can we do with Harry Potter?
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  I don't know if you put an opinion on that actually.
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  Charles I'm thinking is, I think most people can tell the
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  difference between fiction and fact and right.
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  And at least 99.9% of the kids I talked to never did view Harry
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  Potter with any degree of seriousness relative to getting
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  into like a, a demonic culture, occult activity or anything like
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  that, that I could possibly see. It was like a book that people
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  read and, and that was that. So, I mean, you know, now I, I
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  guess, you know, if, if you're a parent and you're worried about
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  the possibility of, of, you know, somebody getting an idea
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  of getting in a cold activity, you know, but you know, it's,
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  it's all in a mythical world that this is taking place in.
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  You know, it's, it's not like it's suggesting, you know, a, a
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  real covenant or a real occult activity or, or putting anything
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  in that person's brain to start using Ouija boards or anything
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  like that. But again, you might just say I,
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  I don't want my kids reading it. Great.
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  Is there a Ouija board in Harry Potter?
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  That's my knowledge is there, yeah.
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  There's no Harry Potter fans around here.
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  Come on, guys, give me some. I don't think that there is.
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  So I that I could be missing something, but but I think
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  that's also very important. It's like, are they actually
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  being taught palm reading and tarot cards and Ouija boards?
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  And there are no Ouija boards in Harry Potter.
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  Good job, JK Rowling. We like JK Rowling around here.
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  She's very brave, too, speaking out against men and women's
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  sports and on the transition and all of that.
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  So do you think today you mentioned there's a spike in
• 1:05:43
  demonic activity or people entertaining the occult, and you
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  see it in pop music. You see it and you do see it
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  everywhere. Do you think that we have enough
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  exorcists who are trained and prepared today in the church?
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  Yeah, I think the, you know, two things are really required.
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  First thing is a general knowledge.
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  You know, you remember how the church attendance picked up
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  hugely when the Exorcist movie came out.
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  Oh, it did. I didn't.
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  I mean, that was in the 80s, right?
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  That's wonderful. Church attendance increased when
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  the Exorcist movie came out, people.
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  What a plus. I mean, so that was I had a
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  converting effect on. People, Yeah, yeah, that's
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  great. So I mean, I, I do think that,
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  you know, people do know, you know, if, if you really look
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  around, I mean, there's, you know, there's such a thing as
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  evil out there. And I think our kids are,
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  they're not stupid, but they can be talked into believing there's
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  white magic or something. And you know, when you hear that
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  stuff, you got to slam it down immediately as there's no such
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  thing as white magic. There's no such thing as white
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  occultism. You know, like they're, you're
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  going to, you know, call it white, but you're, you're still
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  appealing to spirits whose origins are unknown to get
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  powers that don't belong to you naturalistically, including
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  casting spells. Are you kidding me?
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  White, you know, this is, this is the biggest lie ever.
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  It's it's black occultism. And if you, you know, if
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  somebody said I'm not a, a bad witch, I'm just a white witch,
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  you know, but you're, you're a witch that's calling upon
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  spirits that of course, would never be associated with Christ.
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  If you're saying that you're good, all you have to do is
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  invoke the name of Jesus and keep invoking the name of Jesus
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  and giving up the whole idea of a trying to invoke any other
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  spirit other than the Holy Spirit.
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  Just, you know, give that up. They will not do it, I assure
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  you, because they are looking for other kinds of power.
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  They're looking for all kinds of ways like, you know, Julia did
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  in, in her own life. And so, you know, I think making
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  people aware of that. I mean, in the last chapters of
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  my book, I go through these eight deadly sins.
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  I, I separate pride from vanity because, you know, vanity's
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  really about look at me or his pride is really about obey me.
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  You know, I want the dominion. I want the power.
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  I don't want just, you know, you to, to admire me.
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  I want, I want to have control over you.
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  And so that, you know, the whole idea, you know, there I, I go
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  through those deadly sins and I go through them one by one
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  because I think that's, that's really the, the devil's favorite
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  tactic. You know, whatever you do, if if
• 1:08:41
  you hear anybody say, you know, I'm bringing over the Ouija
• 1:08:44
  board or I'm bringing over, just get out of there.
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  I mean, one of my friends brought a Ouija board over to my
• 1:08:53
  house when I was a kid, and we were in the playroom just
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  breaking it out, you know, And my mom came and said, what's
• 1:08:59
  that? And oh, you know, so and so
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  brought this over to the house. You know, my mom looks at it and
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  goes, I'm taking it. That was the end of that.
• 1:09:08
  From someone reminded me recently that the movie Jumanji.
• 1:09:12
  Yeah. Is it starts with a Ouija board
• 1:09:14
  and the kids playing around. And I remember being terrified
• 1:09:18
  of that movie as a kid. My parents let us watch it when
• 1:09:20
  I was a little older, but I don't know if they really
• 1:09:22
  realized that, you know, what the context was.
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  But looking back on that, you know, as entertaining, I guess,
• 1:09:29
  as it was, it's a really poisonous.
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  Now it is suggesting that you don't want to play with the
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  Ouija board in one sense. But there's not like some big
• 1:09:38
  Christ conquers over evil message.
• 1:09:40
  As I remember that wasn't really the message wasn't a Christian
• 1:09:43
  message. It was maybe like, oh, there's
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  kind of crazy worlds out there, guys.
• 1:09:47
  Interesting. Yeah, as far as I'm concerned,
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  you know, the, you know, the, the, the dealing with evil
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  Christ and the name of Christ and the Christian sacraments as
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  Catholic sacraments, specially, you know, the sacrament of
• 1:10:05
  reconciliation, the Holy Eucharist.
• 1:10:07
  These are the best protections and the best remedies, you know,
• 1:10:12
  for, for hauntings infestations, for oppressions and, and, and
• 1:10:17
  possessions. And there's no question the
• 1:10:20
  Roman rite of exorcism is very, very important indeed.
• 1:10:23
  And of course, trying to follow the moral teaching of Jesus, you
• 1:10:27
  know, without scruple is is, you know, there and, and Jesus keeps
• 1:10:33
  saying you have to be vigilant, right?
• 1:10:36
  You know, you can't, it's not a one and done.
• 1:10:39
  You can't just say, I believe in Jesus And and then you know,
• 1:10:43
  you're going to be saved. I mean, you just have to be
• 1:10:45
  vigilant, vigilant, vigilant. The devil will try to work you
• 1:10:49
  over, try to get you at every turn.
• 1:10:52
  And you know, eventually, of course, as you live a holy life,
• 1:10:56
  you know, it's going to get easier and easier to resist sin.
• 1:10:59
  But you can't, don't ever think you've conquered until you know,
• 1:11:03
  you've, you're on the, the caboose to, to, to purgatory at
• 1:11:07
  the very least, right? So don't, don't think that it's
• 1:11:11
  over because it's not over. I mean, you can think you, you
• 1:11:15
  know, you're living a holy life, but you know, there's always
• 1:11:18
  these entry ways and the devil tries to, to get there.
• 1:11:22
  Shame. Teresa of Avila, you know, she
• 1:11:24
  has that book Interior Castle. As you get further and further
• 1:11:27
  along into the interior castle where Jesus is, you know, these
• 1:11:31
  are the stages of a holy life. As you go further and further
• 1:11:35
  in, you know, there are less the, you know, demons present,
• 1:11:40
  but they're only absent in the very center.
• 1:11:43
  But there are less demons, as she would put it, you know, on
• 1:11:46
  the outside before you start, you know, moving into the
• 1:11:50
  interior castle, which is basically a a spiritual journey
• 1:11:54
  to Christ through, you know, both the sacraments and prayer
• 1:11:58
  and moral virtue. You know, as you you know, you
• 1:12:02
  start to to go through you really do you know it.
• 1:12:06
  It does become easier, but you can never be, you know, so sure
• 1:12:12
  until finally, you know, you've cross the threshold.
• 1:12:15
  Of course, Jesus does forgive us for our sins.
• 1:12:18
  There's no question about that. But, you know, just paraphrase
• 1:12:23
  Saint Teresa of Avila again. Well, a man can be praying and
• 1:12:30
  he can be sinning, but that won't last for long.
• 1:12:34
  Eventually he'll have to give up one of them.
• 1:12:38
  And so, you know, it's pretty much the idea.
• 1:12:42
  And so the sacraments are hugely important for protection from
• 1:12:49
  evil and communion with Christ. But also prayer is really
• 1:12:53
  important. Even if it's, I'm going to do my
• 1:12:56
  rosary every day, then do your rosary every day because then
• 1:13:00
  you're connecting with the Lord. You don't have to be, you know,
• 1:13:05
  famous. You don't have to be Saint John
• 1:13:07
  of the Cross. What you need is to connect with
• 1:13:10
  the Lord. And you say, well, I only
• 1:13:13
  connected, you know, a little bit with the Lord today.
• 1:13:16
  You know, I, I mean, I went through that whole rosary and I
• 1:13:20
  suppose I only connected with God for one decade.
• 1:13:23
  And the rest of the time I was thinking about whatever boilers,
• 1:13:28
  I don't know, but I was thinking and distracted about other
• 1:13:31
  things. OK, you connected, you cut,
• 1:13:34
  you're trying, you're trying to consecrate your time, your
• 1:13:37
  energy, trying to focus. You're connecting with the Lord,
• 1:13:40
  you're letting him in. And just remember, 90% of the
• 1:13:44
  fruit of prayer happens outside of prayer.
• 1:13:47
  So in other. Words.
• 1:13:48
  That's very encouraging. Yeah, you, you, you actually
• 1:13:51
  say. Well, Gee, I I didn't feel
• 1:13:54
  anything today during my rosary. I was distracted.
• 1:13:57
  I think so many people struggle to like make the time to pray or
• 1:14:00
  they get their mind is going everywhere.
• 1:14:02
  But you can surrender even that like Lord, I give you my
• 1:14:05
  poverty, my ADHD, my anxiety, my distraction, like make that the
• 1:14:10
  prayer then that's that's your poverty and it helps you humble
• 1:14:13
  you like I'm like, that's really nothing.
• 1:14:15
  I need Jesus for everything. Absolutely.
• 1:14:19
  Sometimes I find kneeling helps me, you know, you know, so you
• 1:14:24
  know, I, I have a seat cushion. They have to sometimes I use
• 1:14:28
  that for my kneeler and so right by my bed, you know, of course I
• 1:14:33
  I kneel in the Chapel and all but but you know, just to do
• 1:14:36
  those rosaries. It really helps me focus, you
• 1:14:40
  know, to have something like that.
• 1:14:42
  The position is is important, but as long as we're really
• 1:14:46
  trying to consecrate that time to the Lord and earnestly trying
• 1:14:50
  to connect with him. I'm telling you, you will see
• 1:14:54
  that is easier to be to be virtuous.
• 1:15:00
  The inspirations that we need certainly for our ministries and
• 1:15:04
  all those ministries are all, you know, part of it.
• 1:15:07
  And and so this is, you know, a a huge part of of things that.
• 1:15:13
  You're, you're working on something I know you wanted to
• 1:15:16
  share too. You mentioned it earlier at the
• 1:15:18
  beginning. The Magic Center is always doing
• 1:15:20
  very wonderful projects, publishing free book, book
• 1:15:23
  curriculum, apps to help and serve the church and people
• 1:15:27
  across the world. So thank you for talking to us
• 1:15:30
  about Halloween and exorcisms. Hope people were encouraged to
• 1:15:34
  put Jesus 1st and frequent the sacraments and pray that is the
• 1:15:38
  answer to all of this. But tell us what you've been up
• 1:15:41
  to to wrap us up here. Well, I just made an app called
• 1:15:45
  Modus AI. The objective is to answer 10s
• 1:15:49
  of thousands of questions about the confluence of science,
• 1:15:53
  reason, faith, scripture, morality.
• 1:15:56
  We want to answer questions of well, how come the church
• 1:15:59
  teaches against transgenderism? What's the the social science
• 1:16:02
  data that links it to you know, the emotional health where you
• 1:16:06
  can see a 2000 times, I mean 2000% increase in suicides or
• 1:16:10
  something of that nature. What's the evidence for God from
• 1:16:13
  science? Will a fourth level multiverse
• 1:16:16
  disprove God? Anything you can ask it?
• 1:16:19
  Literally any question about 10,000.
• 1:16:22
  Have you stumped it? We've tried to trick it several
• 1:16:26
  times with several different things, but it actually, it
• 1:16:29
  works its way out of it very well.
• 1:16:32
  It's we think we've got it. You know, it's not perfect, but
• 1:16:36
  it's pretty close. We still have some things to put
• 1:16:39
  into our database. We haven't got everything, but
• 1:16:41
  we got a lot. It'll answer 10s of thousands of
• 1:16:44
  questions and our objective is no more, do we want to have any
• 1:16:48
  child getting intimidated in the dorm room, you know, by somebody
• 1:16:52
  saying something or making fun of the church or doing
• 1:16:55
  something. All we wanted to do is pull out
• 1:16:57
  that app and go, hey, Majus, you know, is that really true about
• 1:17:01
  XYZ? And then Majus can come on go,
• 1:17:03
  no, that's not really true. Or, you know, whatever it is
• 1:17:07
  that The thing is, is to, you know, somebody's, oh, there's no
• 1:17:09
  credible evidence for God from science.
• 1:17:11
  There's more evidence today for God from science than ever
• 1:17:14
  before. So just pull out, you know, you
• 1:17:16
  get the app and just go, hey, Majus, you know, what's the
• 1:17:19
  evidence for God? And it'll say, will you have
• 1:17:22
  these 26 items to choose from for our scientific, you know,
• 1:17:27
  evidence of God, you know, select one.
• 1:17:29
  And then then I can, you can just say more on that, more on
• 1:17:33
  that, more on that. So you can go back and forth and
• 1:17:36
  bought sessions and get as much as you want from it, but it's a
• 1:17:41
  free app. You just go to Majus AI, no
• 1:17:46
  space between the words Majus AI in your Google Play Store for
• 1:17:51
  Android and in your Apple Store. And you can also get it off the
• 1:17:54
  web. So just go to majusai.com and
• 1:17:59
  just sign up and you're in. You can use all the app stuff in
• 1:18:05
  the world right off the web, so you don't have to get an app if
• 1:18:08
  you don't want to. Thank you, Father Spitzer, have
• 1:18:11
  you? I love all these apps that are
• 1:18:12
  coming out that it's very exciting.
• 1:18:15
  We may be working on something over at GTB.
• 1:18:17
  We'll see which we'll let everyone know about in due time.
• 1:18:19
  But I'm curious, I'm curious if you've seen the Truthfully app,
• 1:18:23
  it found a little bit similar what you're doing, but that
• 1:18:26
  maybe you're focused more like you said on, on all of the
• 1:18:28
  science and academic background as well.
• 1:18:31
  Truthfully is a very much an apologetics tool is the way that
• 1:18:35
  people have been using it. Yeah, it's an ours isn't
• 1:18:38
  apologize to it, but it's really to to get like science based
• 1:18:42
  evidence for God, philosophical based evidence for God.
• 1:18:45
  It's. Father Spitzer, Mind hive.
• 1:18:47
  Oh yeah, yeah, I know all my 20 books are on a lot of good
• 1:18:51
  scientific articles, or aren't too.
• 1:18:54
  And so if you. Want to talk to Father Spitzer
• 1:18:56
  and get the brain, the brain trust.
• 1:18:57
  I love that. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:19:00
  Thank you for being you father. It's always a delight to have
• 1:19:03
  you in studio and thank you for sharing with us about exercises,
• 1:19:07
  Halloween, and what Mattis is up to.
• 1:19:09
  Very, very wonderful, as usual. Thanks for the opportunity, Leo.
• 1:19:13
  Great to see you.