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GRAMMY-Nominated artist, Todd Dulaney, talks transition from Major League Baseball to Gospel music · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: Todd Delaney. He is a Grammy nominator, Stella Award winning
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  Speaker 1: recording artists, songwriter, producer, and worship leader and former baseball player.
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  Speaker 1: Is really key. In his interview, he was focused on
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  Speaker 1: pursuing a baseball career, and at the age of eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: he was drafted by the New York Mets. While pursuing baseball,
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  Speaker 1: he realized there was a higher calling upon his life,
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  Speaker 1: and to the surprise of many, he left the sports
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  Speaker 1: world behind to pursue a career as a gospel recording artist.
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  Speaker 1: Todd Delaney has delivered some of the biggest worship anthems
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  Speaker 1: of the past decade, with number one singles You're Doing It,
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  Speaker 1: You're Doing It All Again, Your Great Name psaw eighteen
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  Speaker 1: number one gospel albums such as Your Great Name and
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  Speaker 1: The Worship's Heart. He's revered as one of the influences
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  Speaker 1: of the next generation of gospel music. Please work with
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  Speaker 1: the money making conversation Todd Delaney, Hey dor, sir, oh man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing wonderful man. Thanks for having me. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: I had a lot to say about you. You know,
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  Speaker 1: your success. You know y'all there there running around that
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  Speaker 1: diamond as they call the baseball field. You got that
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  Speaker 1: camp on looking like a young King Griffith Jr. Because
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  Speaker 1: I have to believe that was your dream at first, right, absolutely, man,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the thing was the goal was to get
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  Speaker 1: to a bunch of millions of dollars. Man, that was
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  Speaker 1: that was the goal. When I was a kid growing
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  Speaker 1: up in the hood, I said, if I could just
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  Speaker 1: get to the bag, um, that's all that matters. But
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  Speaker 1: I realized that I had a little bit more to
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  Speaker 1: offer than just going after the bag, and I think
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to take that route so I can try
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  Speaker 1: to impact the world in a more positive way than
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  Speaker 1: you just come into a stadium and watching me play. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's really when you make these decisions, especially
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  Speaker 1: at a young age. You know I was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because you really determine your future. I always tell people
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  Speaker 1: decisions you make between eighteen and twenty four are really
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  Speaker 1: the career decisions that how you gonna make your money
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  Speaker 1: when you and sixty and so you made a decision
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  Speaker 1: that because obviously to be drafted by the match there's
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  Speaker 1: a considerable scouting that goes into that, and they don't
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  Speaker 1: just draft people just for fun. They drafted they feel
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  Speaker 1: they could nurture their talents and build upon that. Talk
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  Speaker 1: about the experience of being drafted at that point and
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  Speaker 1: then we're gonna go through the whole process of maturing
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  Speaker 1: to the point that you made a decision that that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the direction for you. Yeah, so so bro. The
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  Speaker 1: biggest thing about the whole draft process is that you
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  Speaker 1: gotta think about everybody in your family that puts so
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  Speaker 1: much into you your development. Like my mom and dad
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  Speaker 1: spent so much money on me playing and travel in
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  Speaker 1: the world. So for them, this was the biggest thing
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  Speaker 1: that could possibly ever happen. And for me too, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like when I start seeing the
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  Speaker 1: scouts were coming to the game and they were talking
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  Speaker 1: to my parents, they would pull my parents to the
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  Speaker 1: side and say, man, we think your son can play
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  Speaker 1: at the next level. My parents would in turn take
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  Speaker 1: me home and tell me we talked to the Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 1: Pirates today. We talked to the Cubs today. We talked
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  Speaker 1: And so at that point I I was, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 1: all in. I said, okay, you mean I can go
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  Speaker 1: get the bag, no more school. You mean, what what? What?
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  Speaker 1: What does my future look like? And so Um, at
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  Speaker 1: that point, when they started talking like that, my mind
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  Speaker 1: started changing because I started seeing my future in a
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  Speaker 1: different way. Um. And then UM, I never imagined stepping
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  Speaker 1: away to do nothing else, especially singing gospel music at
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  Speaker 1: that because in gospel music that's not really a lucrative
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  Speaker 1: lucrative business. That's that's more of a you know, commitment
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  Speaker 1: as far as your your faith in what you believe
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  Speaker 1: and how you're motivated move people. Now the whole process, Now,
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  Speaker 1: what position did you play? I want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that everybody hears the second Bai Jose tu V all
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  Speaker 1: the great second base was out there, Ryan Seinberg, all
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  Speaker 1: that that throwing that double play, you know, make that spinning.
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  Speaker 1: So I stopped throwing it down. So what was your best?
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  Speaker 1: You know? Never man, Look I did first of all,
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  Speaker 1: I did my research on your too. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of afmations, you're just telling me so at
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  Speaker 1: the general public know about your skills and because because
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  Speaker 1: when people make these decisions like fishing up my my
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  Speaker 1: degrees in mathematics, you know, when you work for IBM.
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  Speaker 1: And then it came point in my life i'd be
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the journey I wanted? And I wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: a stand up comic, you know, And I know when
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  Speaker 1: I was making that decision, Todd, it was difficult for
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  Speaker 1: me because I knew, just like you said, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people have invested energy and was excited and working.
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  Speaker 1: I come from the inner city and and being at way,
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  Speaker 1: I've worked for a fortune five company IBM, and and
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  Speaker 1: so that that's what that's what you said. Next day
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  Speaker 1: step for that was just to getting married has with kids.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's the true you know what I'm saying. And
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  Speaker 1: so when when I made that decision, and I always
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  Speaker 1: tell people, I made it a year in advance when
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  Speaker 1: I you know, and I when I when I was
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  Speaker 1: sitting at home and I was in tears because I
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  Speaker 1: knew it was such a difficult decision for me, because
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  Speaker 1: I know the decisions that I make also impacts others,
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  Speaker 1: and so I know it wasn't an easy decision. That's
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  Speaker 1: why I wanted to bring my experience into your experience,
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  Speaker 1: so you know that I share a point of view
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  Speaker 1: and the emotion. And I wasn't trying. I wasn't thinking
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  Speaker 1: about millions of dollars. Oh. I saw Eddie Murphy out there,
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  Speaker 1: I saw Richard Pryor out there. I saw all those
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  Speaker 1: guys out there, But I didn't I just saw an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to say this is what I wanted to do.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, the beauty of it is that there's
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  Speaker 1: no game plan as in baseball, there's a game plan.
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  Speaker 1: You start here, you go to this next level, you
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  Speaker 1: get to this next level, you make the major leagues.
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  Speaker 1: But to be a gospel artists, there's no plan, so
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  Speaker 1: talk about that. So, you know, the crazy thing is,
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  Speaker 1: I think I went in blind, like I would. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what the future held. I didn't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't smart enough. I don't think to really have
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  Speaker 1: gather all of my thoughts. I just knew I was
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  Speaker 1: following my heart. Because if I could do it all
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  Speaker 1: over again, now that I actually have a greater insight
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  Speaker 1: into business and everything, I don't think I would have
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  Speaker 1: jumped the way I did. And I'm kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm grateful that I wouldn't just you know, I guess smart,
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  Speaker 1: because I would have held on to what I knew
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  Speaker 1: was sure. And what was sure at that time was
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  Speaker 1: that you could make a lot of money playing baseball,
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  Speaker 1: and so that transition for me. Um, I jumped blind
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  Speaker 1: because I was so excited about the fact that I
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  Speaker 1: could make impact sharing this new faith, this new thing
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  Speaker 1: that I had because I didn't, you know, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: grow up churchy. I grew up straight, like, let's get
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  Speaker 1: it let's get out to the clubs, let's fight a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, let's do all of that. I grew up
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  Speaker 1: like that, so when I came into this knowledge of
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  Speaker 1: the Bible and the relationship with God, that was really
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  Speaker 1: the thing that kind of grabbed me because I said, Dad,
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  Speaker 1: there's a whole another way I can think, live and
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  Speaker 1: do my life. And that was the thing that kind
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  Speaker 1: of made me make the transition. Not my parents, they
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  Speaker 1: were Bible people too, when they were like, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: hold on this, this might not be God like what
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  Speaker 1: you you you need to go back and play baseball
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  Speaker 1: that that you know, keep doing what you're doing. And
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  Speaker 1: I said, no, Mom, I didn't found something that that
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  Speaker 1: I believe. It's just the world. And thankfully I held
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  Speaker 1: to my guns. Well, you know, it's really interesting that
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  Speaker 1: that's what I said in the beginning. I always leave
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  Speaker 1: with your gifts. Don't let your age, friends, family, or
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  Speaker 1: co workers stop you from planning or living your dream.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where you were at that point. How old
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  Speaker 1: we get that, Todd? And he was at twenty three
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, uh, I made the decision based
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  Speaker 1: on twenty three to twenty three, and I left. I
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  Speaker 1: left IBM and I'm gonna tell you some man. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I had an idea of what I knew. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: I had the talent. You know that you had the talent,
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  Speaker 1: so we we couldn't walk away from that. So when
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  Speaker 1: people when you start making that decision, Todd, nobody could say, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's about to jump out to Kitty's kitty
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  Speaker 1: kit he see, can't he benfall get right? Well? Nobody
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  Speaker 1: question of that. But they were so directional about what
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  Speaker 1: you should be doing. Who had the biggest pushback on that?
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  Speaker 1: What was it? Your friends with your family? Because I
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  Speaker 1: know Mom, Jason Man, I told my friends. They go,
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  Speaker 1: really you're leaving IBM to tell Joe and then they
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  Speaker 1: went and then they went there. This is when they
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  Speaker 1: went on me, how you gonna make money? And I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell you this right here, Tom, I could not
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  Speaker 1: tell them how I was gonna make money. And I
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  Speaker 1: had a house. I just bought a house. Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: maybe said jump out there with bad decisions. If I
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  Speaker 1: didn't do it all again, I probably wasn't state that
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  Speaker 1: I be because I just bought a house. I bought
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  Speaker 1: a call and I said me, I gotta get out
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  Speaker 1: of this so it wasn't It was more faith. It
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  Speaker 1: was more I had a plan, but the plan wasn't met.
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  Speaker 1: I believe in me. So let's talk about that process,
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  Speaker 1: because I really want to slow people down because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people listening to the show, they're sitting around debating.
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  Speaker 1: They leaving their their husbands stopped them, and they letting
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  Speaker 1: the relationship stop them. Someone even letting their kids stop them,
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  Speaker 1: and so. But you can only stop yourself, and you
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  Speaker 1: can only start yourself. Talk to us, sir, that's right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was my My old man gave me the most pushback,
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  Speaker 1: my father because I mean he was so we were
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  Speaker 1: so close to what they thought. It was the greatest
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  Speaker 1: thing that I could ever do. And and um, the
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  Speaker 1: craziest thing about how much we put so much emphasis on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sports in America, Like if you make it
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  Speaker 1: to the top of the sports, they think that's the
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  Speaker 1: greatest thing. But for me, impact, impact was the was
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  Speaker 1: the greatest thing. I said, Man, how can I impact
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  Speaker 1: the world now? Now now that I'm in this thing
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  Speaker 1: all the way over here. Um, I'm in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'll make more money on this side than
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  Speaker 1: I ever could have imagined. Because I never did it
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  Speaker 1: for the money, you know what I'm saying. I did
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  Speaker 1: it because I knew that I wanted to be an
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  Speaker 1: impact or of of the world in a positive direction.
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  Speaker 1: And so, um, you know, I mean, I say that
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  Speaker 1: just to say the people that are watching it, don't
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  Speaker 1: ever chase the dollar, you know what I'm saying. It's
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  Speaker 1: not that it's not the dollar, chase the impact. How
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  Speaker 1: can you make an impact on other people's lives and
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  Speaker 1: the money will chase you? And so I'm in a really, really,
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  Speaker 1: really beautiful place right now. But but to to kind
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  Speaker 1: of backtrack a little bit, my old man, because my
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  Speaker 1: old man knew that he could put the fear of
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  Speaker 1: God on me for a long time. That was the
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  Speaker 1: time that I really, I think I stood up to
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  Speaker 1: you can probably steal with me, but I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting out of here, but there's still no plan
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  Speaker 1: in place. How do you start sowing the seeds of
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity to pursue your dream, your dream after leaving baseball.
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  Speaker 1: So after leaving baseball, I think the greatest connection that
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  Speaker 1: snark all right, yeah smoking. He took me under his
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  Speaker 1: I see a guy that Swaggy, got a family, got kids,
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  Speaker 1: that is dedicated to his faith. But it still looks cool.
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  Speaker 1: the world was impacted. Like we did a concert in Uganda,
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  Speaker 1: Seventy five thousand people showed up three nights in a row.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was like, I'm like at this point, like, God,
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of the world, we're even listening.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's the turn. The concert out there and
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  Speaker 1: the lightening up flashlights and stuff like that. All those people,
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  Speaker 1: I think, can't you see the back of the road
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  Speaker 1: You can't even see the numb. And that's that's the
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  Speaker 1: beauty of you. Now know the new album Anthems and Glory,
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  Speaker 1: you know the jamb out uh this body music. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you're leading listeners literally back to the scriptures for hope, conference, answers, instructure,
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  Speaker 1: because I need instructures and I need hope, and I
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  Speaker 1: you right now, but that doesn't mean I don't need it.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you how do you make sure that
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  Speaker 1: those layers and seven tracks on this album? Yeah? Why
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  Speaker 1: did you do it? And why is it impacting a
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  Speaker 1: person like me? Man I? I um, okay, well I
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  Speaker 1: remember this thing. There was there was something done a
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  Speaker 1: few years back by all the celebrities a lot of them,
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  Speaker 1: um called the Bible Stories. They did a CD where
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  Speaker 1: they were all using their voices and they were, you know,
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  Speaker 1: replaying the Bible. And at that moment I kind of
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  Speaker 1: got the idea then that there's one book in the
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  Speaker 1: Bible that will never stop selling to the people, and
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  Speaker 1: that's the Bible. The Bible is always probably the number
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  Speaker 1: one selling book every year, and so um, I figured,
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  Speaker 1: of takes you out of the way because there's so
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  Speaker 1: much disagreement about what the scriptures say this that another,
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  Speaker 1: turn to it. Rather it's like, hey, you know what, Um,
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  Speaker 1: You know, the thing about it is that one thing
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  Speaker 1: I was typical ever since I was eighteen years old,
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  Speaker 1: and trying to help them move forward. You know, you can,
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  Speaker 1: but then you can only help people so much. But again,
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  Speaker 1: there you are there to uplift the same thing with you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're not only delivering great music and great
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  Speaker 1: content with your albums and your your success story, but
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  Speaker 1: also you're having to emerge in the artists and trying
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  Speaker 1: to get their songs out there, get their songs produced
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  Speaker 1: with your production company. Talk to us about that and
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  Speaker 1: why is that important to you? Man? We're saying this,
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  Speaker 1: this probably the best idea that God ever ever gave
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  Speaker 1: me before Manum a subscription based production company. I know,
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  Speaker 1: the production sometimes people pay UM or they try to.
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  Speaker 1: They pay so much money to record UM albums, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not like you can get up to in gospel means
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  Speaker 1: you can get up to fifty to a hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars depending on what kind of budget you're working with. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So what my team and I we came up with
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  Speaker 1: was a subscription model where people just pay a flat
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  Speaker 1: for your fifteen hundred dollars a month to up to
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  Speaker 1: four songs and production, and then they walk away owning
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  Speaker 1: the masters. And so um we we have seen I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what what I thought was gonna be like a little
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  Speaker 1: small company launch um we We right away started with
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  Speaker 1: over five hundred subscribers that um that immediately said hey,
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  Speaker 1: we want help producing our music. And so um, now
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  Speaker 1: we got producers all over the world to sit at
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  Speaker 1: home and wait for us to give them the greenlight
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  Speaker 1: to start producing on a ton of projects. And like
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  Speaker 1: I said, it just gives people a chance to kind
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  Speaker 1: of even the playing field because sometimes, like you say,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: whether it's gospel music or any music in the entertainment industry,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of can feel like a fraternity that people
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  Speaker 1: cannot get into. And so I wanted to open the
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  Speaker 1: door for everybody so they can try to get in.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: At least you have a chance to have some product. Well,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you know, his new album is Anthems and Glorious seventeen songs,
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  Speaker 1: is live. I love live. I love it. It's not
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  Speaker 1: because you know it live. You play with a song
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more, okay, you know. So you know
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