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E181: Challenging Vaccine Status Quo w/Dr Bob Sears · The Lila Rose Show

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  I went to medical school at Georgetown.
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  That's where I also discovered there is another side to the
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  vaccine story. If I was going to be a
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  pediatrician, I'd better learn about vaccines instead of just
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  taking everything on faith. Every book was either very much
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  against the vaccines or very much in favor of vaccines.
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  The world needed a balanced book that shows both sides of the
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  story. Doctors get end of the year
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  incentives and bonuses for every fully vaccinated patient.
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  They have hundreds of scientific articles that did show this
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  vaccine was causing severe brain injury and the government wasn't
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  doing anything about it. That kind of pissed me off a
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  little bit. Do you think a lot of doctors
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  might secretly agree with you if there wasn't such a tremendous
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  blowback or professional risk? Wow.
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  Interesting, I was wondering. Hey, everybody.
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  Welcome back to the Lila Rose Show.
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  All right, we are going into unnavigated territory today on
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  the show. I'm actually really excited
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  about today's episode. We are tackling the question of
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  vaccines. This is highly controversial,
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  especially among some groups, but I think it's incredibly
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  important because vaccines are everywhere.
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  They're recommended for our children.
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  We love and care for our children.
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  We want them to be the healthiest that they can be.
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  And so the big question is what should we be thinking about the
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  CDC's recommended vaccine schedule, which in some places
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  like the state of California is required for kids to go to
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  school. So we're going to deep dive this
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  with a fantastic pediatrician and researcher, a doctor named
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  Doctor Bob Sears. He wrote a book called The
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  Vaccine Book. Here it is.
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  And we're going to explore the history of vaccines.
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  We're going to talk about some specific vaccines, the risks,
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  the advantages. We're going to talk about the
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  incentives that exist with pharmaceutical companies and
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  doctors offices and so much more.
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  I think this episode will be incredibly informative and I
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  hope you enjoy it. Please let me know what you
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  think. I always love hearing from.
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  You can do that in the comments. You can e-mail me at
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  lila@gtbmedia.com. Doctor Bob Sears, welcome to the
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  podcast. Well.
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  Thanks Lila, I appreciate you being brave enough to take on
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  this topic. I guess it does take some sort
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  of bravery, but the bravery is all yours because you have done
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  a huge service to parents and not only as a pediatrician and
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  you're serving, I know, hundreds of families, but in your work
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  and writing the vaccine book and your published work, because it
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  really is a service to give parents full information as a
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  medical professional. So thank you.
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  Thank you so much. Thank you for saying that it
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  needed to be done. I feel like there was no book of
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  its kind back when I first wrote the first version in 2007.
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  Every book was either very much against the vaccines or very
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  much in favor of vaccines, and I feel like the world needed a
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  balanced book that shows both sides of the story.
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  Well done. Well, I think you've definitely
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  accomplished that, so thank you. And you know, folks listening
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  who haven't yet gotten familiar, they'll get familiar in this
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  conversation with you and your work.
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  But tell us a little bit about your background, Dr. Sears.
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  Well, I came from a family of 88 kids.
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  My dad is a pediatrician and my mom is a nurse and they worked
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  together in the office. And I actually remember running
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  around his office up in Canada when I was a kid.
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  And as I grew up, he told me he was giving me the freedom to
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  choose to be any type of children's doctor that I wanted
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  to be. And and I, I don't know, maybe
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  back in those days our, our parents made us, you know, go
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  into their own fields. How many of you kids are
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  doctors? There's three of us.
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  Out of eight, that's not too many.
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  Yeah, yeah. So, you know, I just was always
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  drawn towards Pediatrics and I went to medical school at
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  Georgetown and really fell in love with Pediatrics there.
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  And and then that's where I also discovered there is another side
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  to the vaccine story. And so I just kind of opened my
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  eyes. If I was going to be a
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  pediatrician, I better learn about vaccines instead of just,
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  you know, taking everything on faith and blindly following the
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  mainstream medical policies on vaccines.
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  I really wanted to know for myself what the truth was.
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  Where did you go to medical school?
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  At Georgetown University in Washington, DC.
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  Awesome and you mentioned one of eight kids, which is great.
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  I'm actually one of eight kids too.
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  So I love love seeing fellow 8 kidder families, but you're your
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  dad too has a pretty amazing has done a lot of service to
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  humanity with his writing and and work as well.
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  Yes, yeah, He really brought to the forefront the idea of an
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  attached involved style of parenting with your kids versus
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  maybe you're probably too young to remember that the Doctor
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  Spock days of raising kids in the 50s and the 60s, a very
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  unattached way of raising kids. My dad really rewrote that book
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  and made that very popular and and I think the world has really
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  benefited from that. Yeah, Doctor Bill Sears, Yes,
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  Yeah, did by the before we get into obviously your your work
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  here, which is I'm very excited to jump into.
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  I am curious being raised by Doctor Bill Sears, who, you
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  know, has had such a it's not gentle parenting.
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  He's not teaching gentle parenting.
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  That's like the, you know, IG phase word, Instagram, you know,
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  popular word. But it was, yeah, as you say,
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  attached to parenting. And, you know, he has such
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  excellent advice, not just for the health of a child, but the
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  emotional and disciplinary approach to a child.
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  What was it like being raised in that household with Doctor Bill
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  Sears, your mom, seven siblings? Yeah, Canada.
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  I I like to joke that my mom and dad didn't figure any of this
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  out until their 4th. Child, what number are you?
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  I'm number 2 so. So.
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  My older brother, my younger brother, the three of us
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  doctors, we were raised, you know, the old fashioned way and.
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  Oh, the top three are doctors? Yeah.
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  Interesting. OK.
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  And then the rest of the five, my parents decided they needed a
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  different approach. So actually what I benefited
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  from is watching them raise the new babies that would come into
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  the the family. And I think I benefited greatly
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  from learning how to raise and be a very involved parent with
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  with all my younger siblings. It might be a stretch but I do
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  think what you're describing and it it kind of makes sense based
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  on your work with the vaccine book and your your professional
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  work. It sounds like he was an active
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  learner. Your parents were both active
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  learners. They were willing to change even
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  how they parented mid, mid childhood with the new set of
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  kids and I'm sure with even with you as you were getting older as
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  they've got more information and they and even if it's went
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  against maybe current cultural norms.
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  And is very much built around the idea that each child is an
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  individual. So each child might need their
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  own tailored approach to being raised.
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  You can't just do the same thing with every child.
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  You have to adopt their, their temperament, their personality,
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  who they are, and adjust your parenting style to fit.
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  And that's what their or their fourth child demanded of them.
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  So making a segue now to your work because it takes I think a
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  lot. You use the word courage
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  earlier. It takes a lot of courage, but
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  it also takes a lot of, I would just say intellectual openness,
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  honesty, curiosity to, you know, question sort of things that may
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  seem unquestionable. And I think that's certainly in
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  the medical world today, there is, it is intensely
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  controversial to have questions about vaccines.
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  And you know, we're doing that on this show.
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  We're not doing this to just say every vaccine is bad and they're
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  useless and don't ever get a vaccine.
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  We're doing this to actually explore the research that you've
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  compiled in a really fantastic way in your in your book, the
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  vaccine book, and really understand, like, what are the
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  what are the concerns that are out there?
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  Weigh them and explore, you know, the information that
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  exists so that parents can make the decision that's best for
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  their child, as you say in your subtitle, Making the right
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  decision for your child. When you were getting into
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  writing this book or before you wrote this book, what process
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  did you go through that got you to the point where you would
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  write a book on something so controversial that could
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  potentially even endanger your career?
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  When before this was not something that it's not like you
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  were raised with a dad who this was his campaign.
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  He was not, you know, vaccines was not what your father was
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  focused on as a pediatrician, But this became, you know, would
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  become one of your focuses. Yeah, During medical school at
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  Georgetown, my wife and I, we had our first child and we
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  needed a place to live for a few months.
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  And some friends of ours who lived in the DC area offered us
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  their basement apartment, but on one condition.
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  I had to read a book that he was going to give me.
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  And he said it was a medical book.
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  And I kind of was a little grumpy about it because I guess
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  as a, as a fourth year medical student, I felt like I already
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  knew everything, so why would I need to read something else?
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  And, and especially when I found out it was a book about
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  vaccines, I objected. But but my better half, you
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  The book was really interesting. It was a book about a vaccine
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  that was just about to be taken off the market because it was
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  causing a high rate of severe brain injury.
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  It's the old DTP vaccine and it has it.
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  It did get taken off the market. How many kids, by the way,
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  roughly received that before it was taken out the.
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  Oh well, everybody. So 1,000,000 millions of.
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  Jobs born in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s all got the DTP
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  vaccine. And so, you know, a whole
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  generation of kids and but most of the kids handle the vaccine
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  OK, but some didn't and some were severely brain injured.
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  And so when I read this book, I thought, well, that can't be
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  true. You know, that, you know, why
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  would the FDA and the CDC keep a vaccine around if it was causing
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  brain injury? And so I read this book and it
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  was full of scientific citations, research articles.
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  And so my friend and I, we actually spent weeks down in the
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  basement of the Georgetown library pulling all these
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  articles off the shelves. I wasn't going to take that
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  book's word for it. You know, it was a book written
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  by a layperson. And, and so I wanted to do the
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  research for myself. And I pulled out hundreds of
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  scientific articles that did show this vaccine was causing
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  severe brain injury. And the government wasn't doing
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  anything about it and they weren't taking it off the
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  market. And so that kind of pissed me
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  off a little bit. So this was.
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  Pre it being taken off the market.
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  Yes, yes, this was before it was taken off the market.
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  As a medical student, I kind of felt like my world was
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  shattered. You know, how can the, the, the
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  ivory tower of the CDC and the FDA and all these, these
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  institutions that were generating all the medical
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  policy that I was learning at Georgetown, how could they kind
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  of let this slip through the cracks?
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  And that basically opened my eyes just to that possibility.
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  Not that every vaccine was bad, but this one was.
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  And so I thought I should learn the truth about each individual
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  vaccine. And so I basically did that same
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  research with every vaccine and developed a more thorough
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  knowledge of each vaccines level of safety versus risk and each
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  infections risk and how important each vaccine might be
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  based on those criteria. And it basically shaped the way
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  I started my pediatric practice several years later by
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  prioritizing the vaccines I felt that were more important and and
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  not doing or delaying some of the vaccines I felt were less
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  important. That was kind of like the the
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  initial way I was practicing with and essentially so many
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  patients came to me who wanted answers and I was spending like
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  1/2 hour, 45 minutes, an hour with each patient individually
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  walking him through all these things.
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  I thought I can't do this with every patient.
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  No doctor has the time to spend an hour with each individual.
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  So I decided I would put it to paper, put it in book form, and
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  that's what I did. So the vaccine book, you have
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  every vaccine that's on the schedule and this is the
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  recommended schedule, right? And it's the CDC's recommended
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  schedule. So you have, you literally have
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  the schedule and then you have every vaccine on that schedule.
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  And then you go chapter by chapter to talk about the
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  vaccine, potential adverse effects that the vaccine could
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  have short term, long term, the advantages of the vaccine.
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  You have a little bit of the history of the vaccine, What's
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  what's what it's made out of the actual ingredients of the of the
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  vaccine. Have you received any criticism
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  for the basic information that you share in this book?
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  Yes, so. But meaning what I mean to say
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  is people said, oh, he's sharing the information is false.
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  Or is it more they they object to you having a book that says
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  you could you should decide as a parent?
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  Right. Well, that's the primary
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  objection. You're right.
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  If you if you really get down to it, the mainstream medical
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  community feels there is no discussion, there is no debate.
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  Everyone has to vaccinate fully. And so why even waste time
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  talking about it? I feel a little differently, and
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  I think today's parents feel differently.
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  And the criticism I got right away was this very famous
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  article written by another pediatrician called The Problem
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  with Doctor Bob's Alternative Vaccine Schedule.
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  And it was published in as an op-ed in a very popular medical
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  journal. And he put out maybe 20 points
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  that he was highlighting that he was supposedly saying we're
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  wrong with my book. And I published A rebuttal, you
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  know, saying why he was wrong about his impression about my
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  book. And so that was some criticism.
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  And I think I got a lot of criticism in the media as well.
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  Was he quibbling with your data, though?
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  Because data at the end of the day is data, and you can use the
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  data to draw different conclusions.
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  And you kind of leave the conclusions open to parents.
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  Like this is the information you largely decide, right?
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  So it sounds like he wasn't so much quibbling with the data you
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  presented. It's more that you were saying
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  you can decide and he didn't like the different approach you
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  approaches you shared. You could do this, you know,
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  maybe don't do this vaccine. You could do this one.
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  Was that what his biggest criticism was?
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  You are right, there wasn't a single fact or data point or
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  piece of medical information that he objected to or that
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  anyone has ever objected to. It was basically, you know, one
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  example of what he objected to is there is a teenage meningitis
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  vaccine that we give teenagers. And he objected to the fact that
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  I didn't outright recommend or advocate for that vaccine, that
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  I was neutral. I basically gave the pros and
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  cons about meningitis as a disease for teenagers and
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  meningitis as a vaccine and what are the risks versus benefits.
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  And then I I stay neutral. I don't come out and say, oh,
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  yeah, and you should get your child this vaccine.
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  He objected to that, and he said, how can a pediatrician not
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  advocate for a teenage meningitis vaccine?
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  Yeah. So I think at the at the core,
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  it's neutrality on vaccines or the sense that parents should be
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  able to choose vaccines. It's like the freedom to to
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  choose, you know, medical choice that is controversial at its
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  core. Yes.
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  Why is that? How do you see that?
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  If you find out, you should let me know.
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  I mean, there's a lot of conspiracy theories of of
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  course, that I think would lend themselves to that very
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  question. And I have a big problem with
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  that, with that, the fact that this is a question, because
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  vaccines are by far the single most complicated and invasive
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  medical treatment every child's ever going to get.
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  You know, you raise your child, you might give them two or three
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  prescription medications throughout their childhood,
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  maybe an antibiotic once. You're going to feed them,
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  you're going to educate them, you're going to parent them and
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  you're at the doctor's office and they're the doctor's going
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  to examine them. And during all those check UPS,
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  if you got every vaccine on the CDC schedule including COVID
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  vaccine every year and. That's on the schedule now.
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  COVID. It is.
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  It is. You would get about about 90 to
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  100 vaccine doses if you got every single one of them. 90 to
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  100 doses of vaccines if you follow the CDC.
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  Schedules for kids? How can that not be a topic of
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  conversation that that's that's you can't say that's going to be
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  100% harmless or no side effects for every child.
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  This is a very invasive, complicated procedure.
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  So I feel like it does deserve a very long conversation.
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  It deserves informed consent. And so that's why I don't
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  understand why doctors are so opposed to giving that to
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  parents and providing that to parents and giving parents the
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  time to think about it and talk about it.
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  And I feel like that does a real disservice.
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  I want to start with some of these basics, which again, seem
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  like they should become a knowledge when this is what most
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  parents are told they absolutely should do without even a
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  conversation with every kid. But what is a vaccine?
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  So let's start with that. What is a vaccine?
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  And then I'd love to hear your take on the history of vaccines.
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  OK, right. I might forget some of those
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  antibodies. So then you will have immunity
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  floating around in your bloodstream and your white blood
• 22:31
  cells will, you know, will remember that infection and be
• 22:34
  ready to launch an immune response if you ever exposed to
• 22:37
  the natural infection. That's what a vaccine is.
• 22:41
  And so when? Let's go back when vaccines were
• 22:45
  first introduced as far as, you know, mass immunizations.
• 22:50
  Let's like polio is what a lot of people go to here.
• 22:53
  And I think the vaccine defenders, those that are very
• 22:56
  concerned that anyone being skeptical of any risks of
• 22:58
  vaccines are problematic because they say you don't you don't
• 23:01
  understand how devastating, you know, some of these epidemics
• 23:05
  were. And you know, polio was
• 23:07
  basically eradicated because of the vaccine.
• 23:09
  We have all these immunities today because of past decades of
• 23:14
  immunizations. And if you just undo that work
• 23:17
  with vaccine skepticism, we're going to see horrible outbreaks.
• 23:21
  So anyways, I'm I'm kind of presenting why you're getting
• 23:24
  you. You got any Flack at all, right.
• 23:26
  This is the largely this is largely the position of people
• 23:29
  that don't like wasting time in their view on even questioning
• 23:33
  vaccines. They see them as this gift to
• 23:34
  humanity that have done incredible good over the last
• 23:36
  century. What are your what are your
• 23:38
  take? What is your take on that?
• 23:41
  Right. Well, polio is a great example
• 23:43
  to to illustrate that idea. We had polio outbreaks and of
• 23:48
  course they were devastating. And then kids were getting
• 23:52
  paralyzed and adults were getting paralyzed.
• 23:57
  Interestingly, historically, about 99% of people who caught
• 24:03
  polio never even knew they had it.
• 24:06
  It was totally harmless and maybe 5% of people would feel
• 24:11
  achy like the flu. It was a very mild infection for
• 24:15
  almost everyone who caught it. 1% of people would suffer nerve
• 24:19
  damage. And so that's how we knew it was
• 24:23
  going around our society as we could see people suffer
• 24:27
  paralytic polio and we knew a whole bunch of people around
• 24:31
  them were having harmless cases. And that's how we identified the
• 24:35
  infection. And so they came up with a
• 24:37
  vaccine, and I don't really argue with that.
• 24:40
  I mean, there was a need for that.
• 24:42
  And the vaccine that we developed that eventually helped
• 24:46
  us eradicate polio was the oral polio vaccine.
• 24:51
  We gave it by mouth. It was a live vaccine, and it
• 24:54
  would make people immune to the infection.
• 24:57
  And that helped us eradicate the disease from almost every part
• 25:03
  of the world. We still see it a little bit
• 25:06
  here and there. I believe that Pakistan is, I
• 25:09
  think, maybe the only country that still has a little bit of
• 25:13
  polio. So that's kind of a success
• 25:15
  story, you could say. There was one note that you made
• 25:19
  in the book, and I've seen it made before, that yes, the polio
• 25:22
  vaccine orally given at the time was very helpful.
• 25:26
  But that the number, the timeline of when vaccine, when
• 25:31
  polio deaths dropped dramatically was not so much
• 25:35
  about the onset of the vaccine as it was about treatments of
• 25:40
  polio victims and identifying the disease earlier.
• 25:42
  Is that true? Yes, that is probably true for
• 25:45
  every disease that we have a vaccine against.
• 25:50
  It's not so much that the vaccine, like polio is why
• 25:54
  people stop dying from polio. It's it's, you're right, it's
• 25:58
  medical care. It's advanced medical care is
• 26:00
  why people don't die from these infections anymore.
• 26:04
  But there's some argument that that vaccine helped us get rid
• 26:07
  of the infection. All right, you could.
• 26:12
  It would take an hour. It'd probably take a whole hour
• 26:14
  to go back and forth on every aspect of polio disease, Polio
• 26:18
  vaccine. Some people think polio wasn't
• 26:21
  even a real disease, and some people think the polio vaccine
• 26:24
  didn't even do anything. I mean, there's all these these
• 26:27
  criticisms of it. I don't know, because I wasn't
• 26:30
  there. Yeah, I've looked at these old
• 26:32
  research articles and it seems to me like polio was a real
• 26:36
  disease and then the vaccine did help.
• 26:39
  But there's some very smart people that question that.
• 26:42
  But there is a timeline that is a fact for any dependent
• 26:46
  regardless of what narrative you would draw from the timeline.
• 26:48
  And correct me if I'm wrong, this is my understanding.
• 26:50
  I think I, I read here too in your book is that there's a
• 26:52
  timeline that shows the spike of the deaths due to polio dropping
• 26:57
  dramatically even before wide usage of the vaccine because of
• 27:02
  medical care. Not to say the vaccine didn't
• 27:04
  help decrease infections and, and some deaths too.
• 27:07
  But that the amount of the, you know, the kind of panic of all
• 27:10
  these children and the, you know, the iron lungs and you
• 27:12
  know, the whole thing of it that was already declining
• 27:16
  dramatically before the onset of the the the delivery of the
• 27:19
  vaccine because of medical care is that.
• 27:22
  Correct. Yes, that is correct.
• 27:24
  And the to kind of highlight that idea and maybe to use it as
• 27:30
  a one reason why you could say vaccines are less important
• 27:33
  today is that we are better at medical care, we're better at
• 27:38
  hygiene and sanitation and nutrition.
• 27:41
  The reason we've eliminated all these diseases from our society
• 27:46
  is probably 99% of those reasons, Better, healthier,
• 27:51
  cleaner living, better living standards.
• 27:55
  And it's, it's, it's poor countries where everyone lives,
• 27:59
  you know, you know, huddled together, very dense populations
• 28:04
  of cities where where things aren't clean, there's no
• 28:07
  sanitation. You think back to, you know, the
• 28:10
  early 1900s and the 1800s, That's where these diseases
• 28:15
  could run rampant just because there is no sanitation, no
• 28:18
  hygiene. Now that we have all that we
• 28:21
  wouldn't see these diseases come back and even if people stopped
• 28:26
  vaccinating. And that's primarily why these
• 28:29
  diseases were eliminated. Now I feel like the vaccines
• 28:33
  helped some in certain cases. And I think with polio, that
• 28:37
  vaccine probably did help. But there's, there's a huge,
• 28:41
  but, you know, to, to this, to this success story of the polio
• 28:46
  vaccine. We eradicated polio.
• 28:48
  The last case in the United States was 1979, I believe, if
• 28:53
  I'm remembering the fact correctly.
• 28:57
  We kept using the oral polio vaccine through the 80s and most
• 29:02
  of the way through the 90s. And the polio vaccine was
• 29:06
  paralyzing 8 children every year in the United States.
• 29:10
  It would give eight kids every year paralytic polio where they
• 29:14
  are permanently harmed. They would get polio from.
• 29:17
  They would. Get 8 kids a year out of the
• 29:20
  four million we were dosing every year, eight kids would
• 29:23
  suffer paralytical. Two in a million, one in every
• 29:26
  half, 1,500,000. Yeah, we kept using the vaccine
• 29:30
  even though the disease had been eradicated.
• 29:34
  Except for the disease caused by the vaccine was introduced,
• 29:37
  Yeah. So then the medical community
• 29:39
  got a little wise and they they changed the vaccine to the
• 29:42
  injected polio vaccine and that's what we've been using
• 29:46
  since the mid 90s to the late 90s.
• 29:49
  So everyone now gets an injected polio vaccine that doesn't make
• 29:53
  you immune to the disease. If we had used that vaccine
• 29:58
  originally, it it wouldn't eradicate polio from the world.
• 30:01
  So what does it do? It gives you internal immunity
• 30:04
  so you don't become paralyzed if you ever exposed the disease.
• 30:09
  So the current vaccine gives you that benefit.
• 30:11
  So if we ever have a polio outbreak, you won't suffer nerve
• 30:15
  damage. But it doesn't stop the
• 30:18
  transmission. It doesn't stop the spread of
• 30:20
  the of the disease. So the polio vaccine is no
• 30:23
  longer a public health benefit as far as keeping us safe from
• 30:28
  the infection. And so people would argue, well,
• 30:33
  why do I need a polio vaccine now?
• 30:34
  We don't have the disease and it's not going to me getting the
• 30:38
  vaccine isn't going to help you. It's not going to stop polio
• 30:41
  from coming back into our country.
• 30:43
  So why should I get the vaccine? And I feel like that's a
• 30:46
  particular question that that each parent should be able to
• 30:49
  ask for themselves and their child.
• 30:52
  What are the risks of the polio vaccine?
• 30:54
  Well, there's not a lot of risk in that vaccine.
• 30:57
  It's actually one of the milder vaccines.
• 31:00
  And I say that now, but decades ago in the 70s and 80's, the
• 31:08
  vaccine they were using was contaminated with a monkey virus
• 31:13
  that was causing cancer in humans.
• 31:17
  And, and this was a long time ago, but they used monkey
• 31:21
  kidneys from Africa to help grow the vaccine and help make the
• 31:26
  vaccine. The injected 1.
• 31:27
  The injected. Once they did away with the oral
• 31:29
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  And so and they, they started using this vaccine and they
• 32:28
  didn't know that cancer causing monkey virus was in the vaccine
• 32:31
  because they didn't have the technology to screen for it.
• 32:35
  It was later, decades later that they realized, Oh no, this
• 32:39
  simian virus #40 is in the vaccine.
• 32:41
  We've injected entire populations with this virus and
• 32:47
  it's caused cancer in, in many, many, many people.
• 32:51
  So now we know not to use those monkey kidneys and we, we know
• 32:55
  how to screen for that virus. So there's always going to be
• 32:59
  like a downside that we don't know about.
• 33:01
  So even though the polio injected vaccine seems pretty
• 33:05
  safe, occasionally someone will have a really bad reaction.
• 33:09
  Like I was talking to one patient, you know, one day in
• 33:11
  the office and I was saying, yeah, the polio vaccine is
• 33:14
  pretty safe. And she said, oh, well, that's
• 33:16
  the vaccine that totally damaged me.
• 33:18
  I had I had severe autoimmune and neurological damage from a
• 33:22
  polio vaccine. I was like, wow, I've never
• 33:24
  heard of that happening from that vaccine.
• 33:27
  And, and so I feel like, I mean, this, this was one example of 1
• 33:33
  vaccine. You could spend hours talking
• 33:35
  about each individual vaccine. And that's what the book does.
• 33:39
  It basically tells you, you know, what is the history, what
• 33:42
  bad things happened years ago, maybe from that vaccine, you
• 33:46
  know, how did the disease, how is the disease eradicated?
• 33:50
  How is the disease behaving today?
• 33:53
  What is your risk today of that disease?
• 33:56
  How do we treat the disease? And, and I, I, I walk you
• 34:00
  through both the history and the current status of each vaccine
• 34:03
  disease pair so you can make that kind of educated decision.
• 34:08
  So you said today the CDC schedule is up to 100
• 34:11
  vaccinations for a kid by the time they're leaving childhood.
• 34:15
  What was it, say, 20-30 years ago?
• 34:18
  That's a great question and you I don't know if you've seen this
• 34:22
  this meme online. It's a photo and this kind of,
• 34:26
  you know, illustrates that a photo of a a little girl, her
• 34:30
  mom and their grandma and they're all holding signs saying
• 34:35
  I'm fully vaccinated. And the grandma's sign is like
• 34:39
  10 vaccines and the moms sign is probably like 30 vaccines.
• 34:43
  And the kids sign back when this was made, it was 70 vaccines.
• 34:47
  Why? Why?
• 34:49
  Why is that the? Vaccination used to be where we,
• 34:53
  we have a really terrible disease that's causing all kinds
• 34:56
  of harm. We need to get rid of it.
• 34:59
  And polio, it was a good example.
• 35:01
  You might say tetanus is, is worthy of vaccination because
• 35:06
  that's a terrible disease. Smallpox, if you go back, you
• 35:09
  know, 120 years, smallpox was a terrible infection.
• 35:14
  We may be diphtheria. You know, we don't have
• 35:17
  diphtheria anymore either. All of these infections are
• 35:21
  mostly eradicated. We still have a little bit of
• 35:24
  tetanus, but barely. So the original idea of
• 35:28
  vaccination wasn't a bad one. We have these terrible diseases.
• 35:31
  People are dying, let's see if we can give them immunity.
• 35:35
  But that is morphed into instead of asking what what diseases
• 35:40
  should we vaccinate against, it's changed into what diseases
• 35:44
  can we vaccinate against, what infections can we use our
• 35:50
  technology to produce a vaccine that creates immunity in people
• 35:54
  because them antibodies, you know, get it passed by the FDA
• 35:59
  and get it supported by the CDC. What can we, you know, introduce
• 36:04
  to the medical community? And if we can, then let's do it.
• 36:08
  And an example of that, it would be say the chicken pox vaccine.
• 36:14
  Chicken pox used to be a a mild infection that everyone caught,
• 36:18
  everyone got lifetime immunity and it's kind of like a rite of
• 36:22
  passage and. Is that the varicella?
• 36:25
  Yeah. Varicella vaccine.
• 36:27
  And when we came out with that vaccine in the 90s, it wasn't
• 36:32
  because everyone said, Oh no, everyone's dying from chicken
• 36:36
  pox, we need a vaccine. It was.
• 36:39
  And then actually discuss this in the medical community.
• 36:42
  It says, yeah, it's not a vaccine that we need to save
• 36:45
  lives. But parents have to miss work if
• 36:49
  their kids catch chicken pox. Kids have to stay home from
• 36:51
  school, School, you know, school, you know, loses some of
• 36:55
  their attendance from kids. And it's not that fun to spend a
• 36:59
  week going through chicken pox. So can we develop a vaccine?
• 37:02
  Let's try. They tried.
• 37:04
  They did. They got it approved and now
• 37:06
  it's on the schedule and it's mandated to attend school in
• 37:10
  California. That's kind of an example of of
• 37:14
  not just that vaccine, but other vaccines for diseases that are
• 37:18
  mild for almost everyone who catches it.
• 37:21
  But they can make a vaccine that generates immunity.
• 37:24
  So let's do it. Let's give it to everybody.
• 37:26
  And that's what vaccination has become.
• 37:29
  What are the financial incentives to get a vaccine on
• 37:33
  the schedule? The financial incentives, well,
• 37:38
  as a pediatrician, you know this, take me for example, I
• 37:40
  give vaccines in my office at least one dose every day to
• 37:44
  someone who's getting vaccines for school because they're
• 37:47
  mandated here. And so my financial incentive
• 37:51
  could be I, I make a few dollars on giving that vaccine.
• 37:57
  We don't mark up our vaccines good because I don't want to
• 38:00
  profit from giving a vaccine. But your typical pediatrician
• 38:05
  say they they buy that vaccine for $100 from the company that
• 38:09
  makes it. They might get $200 for the
• 38:12
  vaccine. So they make a little money.
• 38:14
  All right. And you often will get 456
• 38:18
  vaccines in one visit with a patient.
• 38:20
  So you're getting, you know, multiple hundreds of dollars
• 38:24
  from from that patient visit for getting vaccine.
• 38:27
  But that's not a bad thing. I mean, you know, that's just
• 38:30
  how medicine works. But some of the some of the
• 38:33
  behind the scenes incentives that I don't like that I think
• 38:38
  make doctors angry towards patients who don't vaccinate or
• 38:42
  they these policies make doctors mandate vaccines in their
• 38:46
  practice is doctors get end of the year incentives and bonuses
• 38:51
  from the insurance companies for every fully vaccinated patient
• 38:55
  they have, every patient that comes through their office.
• 39:00
  If that patient has gotten every vaccine, that doctor will get a
• 39:04
  bonus. Sometimes I've seen different
• 39:07
  levels of bonuses. I've seen bonuses on the level
• 39:09
  of $250 per patient. Seen a $400.00 per patient.
• 39:14
  How many average patients, just so we can put it in perspective,
• 39:17
  would a your average pediatrician have?
• 39:19
  I would say 103 hundred. Oh, I mean I I have about 14,000
• 39:24
  patients myself, but you're talking say say 1000 kids come
• 39:29
  through your office. That's a quarter $1,000,000.
• 39:31
  That year. Or a half a million?
• 39:32
  Dollars, yeah. Getting like, check UPS, Yeah,
• 39:34
  yeah. Oh, the bonuses are huge.
• 39:36
  And if you're an office that has 10 pediatricians, wow, say you
• 39:40
  have three offices like here in Orange County where we live,
• 39:44
  yeah, there's there's pediatric groups.
• 39:46
  They have, you know, 3-4 offices.
• 39:48
  They have 1520 pediatricians. That's multi $1,000,000 bonuses
• 39:53
  you get for having fully vaccinated patients in your
• 39:56
  office. Why do the insurance companies
• 39:58
  want to incentivize doctors, pediatricians to fully
• 40:01
  vaccinate? Well, they kind of make it look
• 40:04
  like complete vaccination is a good thing.
• 40:08
  It's it's like a health marker for good outcomes.
• 40:12
  If you're a good pediatrician, you're going to have the
• 40:14
  healthiest patients possible. They're all going to be fully
• 40:17
  vaccinated. That's kind of the mindset, but
• 40:20
  is. Is does that bear out in
• 40:21
  reality? It doesn't because no one's
• 40:24
  researched it. Well, this is this is my next
• 40:26
  question and I am very interested on the on the
• 40:28
  insurance company front because they're money making machines,
• 40:31
  you know, insurance companies want to make money.
• 40:33
  So why would why would they give out more money to to their
• 40:37
  doctors that they didn't have to?
• 40:39
  Is that that's where you're going with this?
• 40:41
  And it's, that's a great question.
• 40:45
  And I kind of wonder where do the insurance companies get the
• 40:48
  money? I almost feel like they're
• 40:50
  incentivized by the Pharmaceutical industry.
• 40:53
  Who makes the vaccines? Do they somehow incentivize
• 40:57
  insurance companies to promote their products and bonus doctors
• 41:01
  for giving their products? I don't know.
• 41:04
  I don't know if it's say, say Blue Cross, you know, say
• 41:07
  they're going to dish out $10 million, So to all their
• 41:10
  pediatricians this year for vaccine bonuses, where does that
• 41:13
  money come from? I don't know.
• 41:16
  We'll have to explore that on another episode.
• 41:20
  So there's a lot of different directions to go here.
• 41:23
  So much to explore, like which to go to 1st.
• 41:26
  I mean, there's obviously the, the, the practice of going
• 41:28
  through each vaccine. And then I, I want to talk about
• 41:31
  the, you know, the liability slash, the accountability.
• 41:37
  Maybe we'll go there next. As you, you mentioned that just
• 41:39
  a moment ago of vaccine companies, because there is not
• 41:44
  if, if there are risks or harm that the vaccine does provides
• 41:49
  to a kid, right, who takes the vaccine?
• 41:51
  What's the current system for reporting whether or not there
• 41:55
  is even harm done to a child and, and knowing whether that
• 41:59
  was from the vaccine or something else?
• 42:01
  And then you think you just mentioned too, what is the, what
• 42:04
  is the current, you know, best practice for researching the
• 42:07
  safety of vaccines? Yeah.
• 42:09
  The current reporting is called the Vaccine Adverse Events
• 42:14
  Reporting System, or VARES. It's what we call it.
• 42:18
  And if you have a bad reaction, you yourself as a parent can
• 42:22
  report it or your doctor can report it.
• 42:26
  In fact, there's a federal law that says your doctor is
• 42:30
  supposed to report, is mandated to report any bad reactions that
• 42:34
  they are notified about. And that goes into a database
• 42:39
  and people can access that database and read about side
• 42:42
  effects. And the downside of that
• 42:45
  database is that a lot of reactions will go unreported.
• 42:53
  Like the, the parent will tell the doctor and then think the
• 42:56
  doctor's going to report it, but the doctor doesn't have time to
• 42:59
  report it or the doctor forgets. It takes a good probably half
• 43:03
  hour to to fill out a affairs report if you know what you're
• 43:07
  doing, and so people have to take the time to do it.
• 43:12
  Some researchers looked at this dilemma and tried to calculate
• 43:16
  how many vaccine reactions are going unreported, and they
• 43:20
  estimated only about between 1 and 10% of severe vaccine
• 43:28
  reactions are even being reported between 1 and 10%.
• 43:33
  So if there are, how many vaccine reports of adverse
• 43:36
  effects are made a year? Reports of vaccine effect.
• 43:39
  You know, that is a fantastic question.
• 43:43
  I used to know that number. I mean it's, it's, it's 10s of
• 43:46
  thousands of severe reactions, if not more annually.
• 43:51
  So if it's 10s of thousands, it, it potentially it should be in
• 43:54
  the millions if that research is correct about or it would be in
• 43:58
  the hundreds of thousands at minimum, if that, if that
• 44:01
  research is correct. So, and, and, and you're
• 44:05
  talking, you know, how many children are in the United
• 44:07
  States? I I know I'm putting you on the
• 44:09
  spot. No, I can do.
• 44:10
  I can do the math. We have about almost 4 million
• 44:13
  born every year. OK, so kids through 18, that's
• 44:16
  when. Four times, 18-4 times 2080
• 44:21
  million. So school age children we've
• 44:23
  got, you know. Yeah, I think that sounds about
• 44:25
  right because I was looking at how many kids are in private,
• 44:27
  public or home school and it's like around 70 or 80 million,
• 44:31
  yeah. Total total.
• 44:32
  Kids check out, check our number, total kids.
• 44:34
  So in any given year, there's going to be then, you know, 10s
• 44:39
  of millions of vaccines given out, I'm going to guess roughly.
• 44:44
  And but according to the research you just stated, we're
• 44:47
  talking hundreds of thousands of adverse effects potentially that
• 44:51
  are we don't even know though. That's the part of the problem.
• 44:53
  There's not like a required tracking system.
• 44:55
  It's voluntary. So do you think that do you And,
• 45:01
  and and then one other aspect of this too, is the vaccine
• 45:04
  companies in creating the vaccines, getting them to
• 45:07
  market, getting the CDC to put them on a schedule.
• 45:10
  What is the legal what what are what is the the legal risks for
• 45:17
  vaccine companies if their product hurts somebody, hurts a
• 45:22
  kid? Right.
• 45:23
  Right now, there is no liability for vaccine manufacturers.
• 45:28
  Back when that old DTP vaccine was around that I was talking
• 45:33
  about that was causing brain injury, vaccine manufacturers
• 45:38
  were liable and they were getting sued left and right over
• 45:42
  that vaccine. And the vaccine manufacturers
• 45:46
  threatened to stop making that vaccine unless the government
• 45:51
  would give them immunity. And for reasons I don't know,
• 45:56
  back then the government decided, well, yeah, we we don't
• 45:59
  want anyone to stop making vaccines.
• 46:01
  So we're going to give pharmaceutical companies blanket
• 46:05
  immunity, not just from that vaccine, but from all vaccines
• 46:09
  that they make from that time on forward.
• 46:12
  I think it was in 1986 that they gave the the pharma companies
• 46:18
  freedom from liability. So right now, if you're Fisher
• 46:22
  Price rocker kill kills your child because it's made poorly
• 46:26
  or if the design is poorly made or you eat some Taco Bell and
• 46:31
  it's poisonous because they don't have good, you know, not
• 46:35
  to hate on Taco Bell, but you know, you know where I'm getting
• 46:38
  like you can there's a lot of like American Society.
• 46:41
  You can be litigious. You can don't even have to be
• 46:42
  litigious, just can be a just lawsuit.
• 46:44
  You can sue. Most anybody can be sued.
• 46:47
  But what you're saying is vaccine companies that cannot be
• 46:51
  sued? Right.
• 46:52
  And what drives safety in an industry liability is what
• 46:57
  drives safety as a company. If you are liable if someone's
• 47:02
  injured by your product, you're going to make darn sure you're
• 47:05
  going to make a safe product. And when you start hearing
• 47:08
  reports of a serious reaction, you're going to take steps to
• 47:13
  correct that. I don't know of a single case of
• 47:17
  of a vaccine company ever changing their product in
• 47:22
  response to any of these severe side effects.
• 47:25
  You mean to theirs or meaning that those that are being
• 47:29
  reported like the the the side effects that are being reported,
• 47:32
  the harm of vaccines that is reported, the vaccine companies
• 47:35
  are not doing anything about it, is what you're saying?
• 47:37
  Right. They're not, because they don't
• 47:38
  have to. If they were liable financially,
• 47:40
  you better bet they would. They would start making safer
• 47:44
  products they would like. Like for example, let me just
• 47:47
  use an example of MMR vaccine, measles, mumps, rubella that
• 47:52
  causes a very severe arthritis reaction in probably about 25%
• 48:00
  of women who get that vaccine. And when you look at kids, it's
• 48:04
  much lower. It's it's much, much lower in
• 48:06
  kids. But when you look at adult women
• 48:08
  getting MMR vaccine, 25% suffer terrible arthritis reaction and
• 48:14
  then a small percentage of those will go on to have lifelong
• 48:17
  rheumatoid arthritis. All right.
• 48:20
  So the company that makes MMR vaccine, they know this and they
• 48:25
  know their component of the vaccine we we suspect is
• 48:29
  probably the rubella virus components in that vaccine.
• 48:33
  So they could change the vaccine, they could take that
• 48:37
  component out. They could make it safer for all
• 48:39
  those women. But they don't have to.
• 48:42
  If they've had to dish out, you know, $20 billion in damages
• 48:47
  over the years, then yes, you you better bet they would.
• 48:49
  They would change the vaccine so it doesn't cause that harm, but
• 48:53
  they don't have to. All of those damages are paid by
• 48:56
  a tax on vaccines. Every vaccine that a doctor buys
• 49:01
  and gives in their office, part of that money goes to a fund to
• 49:05
  give to people who are injured. So no one loses, I guess that
• 49:11
  like except the patient, but no one suffers or no one pays for
• 49:16
  that liability. So no one's incentivized to take
• 49:19
  a look at each vaccine and try to make it safer.
• 49:22
  And if we did make them liable, if we made pharmaceutical
• 49:26
  companies liable, I feel like the vaccine industry industry
• 49:30
  would become a lot safer and people would be able to start to
• 49:34
  trust them again. I think the argument for blanket
• 49:37
  immunity, as I understand it, and you can correct me if I do a
• 49:40
  poor job of representing it here, is that because vaccines
• 49:44
  are for the common good and they're not always about
• 49:47
  protecting oneself, there might be about protecting, you know,
• 49:49
  your immunocompromised neighbor or this other younger person or
• 49:53
  older person for that matter. And therefore we should be doing
• 49:57
  it together for the sake of the common good.
• 49:59
  Even if there's some very, very, very tiny risk, potentially,
• 50:02
  it's still worth doing it for the common good.
• 50:04
  And a company like that isn't really a viable company because
• 50:09
  it's sort of almost like a nonprofit mission.
• 50:11
  You know, pharmaceutical companies who produce vaccines
• 50:14
  are making a boatload of money. So let's not pretend they're
• 50:16
  nonprofits, but let's just go with the argument.
• 50:18
  And so anyways, all that to say, they need blanket immunity
• 50:22
  because otherwise they would get sued out of existence by the one
• 50:24
  person out of a million who has the adverse effect and just
• 50:28
  destroys, you know, burns the whole house down.
• 50:30
  I think that's the general sense of reason why there is general
• 50:35
  immunity. What do you think about that?
• 50:37
  Right. Well, it's what's interesting if
• 50:39
  if a vax, if a product is so risky that companies need
• 50:44
  blanket immunity. And let's also argue for just
• 50:48
  say for the sake of argument that say people are routinely
• 50:52
  being injured, like every year a number of people are injured by
• 50:55
  vaccines and we're not going to make them any safer.
• 51:00
  I feel like that that creates the question as to should we
• 51:07
  continue with this process of giving everybody every single
• 51:11
  vaccine and just keep going as we are or could?
• 51:16
  Is there a better way to do this?
• 51:18
  You know, it's, I almost feel like the government and the
• 51:21
  medical community feel like we absolutely 100% have to keep
• 51:25
  vaccinating everybody no matter what the risk.
• 51:29
  And if we don't, you know, we're all going to go back to the dark
• 51:32
  ages. I would argue that we've done a
• 51:37
  good job of riding this world of almost all of these infections.
• 51:43
  The infections that are still around are, are are manageable,
• 51:48
  treatable. You know, we get through them.
• 51:49
  We are, we have healthy societies that can handle some
• 51:53
  level of disease. So, you know, could, could we do
• 51:58
  without at least some of these vaccines?
• 52:01
  Could we whittle the schedule down, maybe identify the ones
• 52:05
  that are the riskiest and no longer subject everybody to that
• 52:10
  that risk and cut down on the number of severe reactions?
• 52:14
  Would be would be be better off as a society?
• 52:19
  Would everyone actually be healthier and would be, you
• 52:23
  know, we'd have a little bit of disease that we'd have to deal
• 52:25
  with, but would we would be be better off?
• 52:27
  I feel like it's, it's a valid question.
• 52:29
  It's not a question that just should be easily dismissed.
• 52:33
  I think it, there's room for debate on that.
• 52:35
  And I think that's one of many questions that parents are
• 52:38
  asking today that they want the policy makers to think about.
• 52:44
  I think a lot of people after the COVID pandemic became at
• 52:50
  least awakened to the fact that many of the institutions that
• 52:54
  they just would automatically trust might not be so
• 52:57
  trustworthy. And that's both on the
• 52:59
  government side and how things were handled politically.
• 53:01
  But then certainly on the medical side, people just were
• 53:04
  really disappointed with how the COVID vaccine.
• 53:07
  Many people were disappointed with how the COVID vaccine was
• 53:09
  pushed on people as an absolute necessity when, you know,
• 53:13
  especially for children, when children were not at risk.
• 53:15
  And, you know, there were potential, you know, side
• 53:18
  effects that weren't even unknown because it was fast
• 53:21
  tracked the approval. And I think it awakened a lot of
• 53:23
  people to the fact that what we kind of grew up with as Oh yeah,
• 53:27
  of course, this is how it should be, this is how it's always
• 53:29
  been, might actually be a problem.
• 53:32
  And it takes a brave voice to say, hey, this actually we've
• 53:35
  we've been doing this the last couple decades and this is how
• 53:37
  you were raised. And it keeps adding to the
• 53:39
  schedule. But maybe there's a problem
• 53:41
  here? Right.
• 53:42
  Yeah. Everyone got a front row seat to
• 53:44
  watch how the COVID vaccines were fast tracked and approved,
• 53:51
  how they were made and how the government balanced the, you
• 53:55
  know, the healthcare policies of our country regarding COVID and
• 53:58
  the policies they created during the lockdowns.
• 54:01
  And we all watched how that happened.
• 54:04
  And I think that's given rise to the most common new patient that
• 54:10
  I get in my office now. It's a patient with their third
• 54:14
  child. They fully vaccinated their
• 54:16
  first 2. They did everything, you know,
• 54:19
  that their doctor told them. They watched us all go through
• 54:22
  COVID. And now they're saying, hold up.
• 54:26
  Now I know how the government does things, and now I know how
• 54:29
  the Pharmaceutical industry does things.
• 54:32
  Now I have some questions and I'm not just going to blindly
• 54:36
  trust it anymore. I'm going to ask you some
• 54:39
  questions and find out more about vaccines before I, I, you
• 54:44
  know, you know, let my third child start on the CDC vaccine
• 54:48
  schedule. So many new patients like that
• 54:51
  and parents all over the country, all over the world, I
• 54:54
  think are no longer trusting the the government, pharmaceutical
• 54:59
  entities that make these policies because of what we saw
• 55:03
  happen with COVID. I mean, it kind of, I mean, you
• 55:09
  could talk forever about COVID, right?
• 55:11
  And, and what went right, what went wrong.
• 55:13
  But the bottom line, what we know now is the COVID vaccine,
• 55:19
  when it was produced and when it was mandated, there is no
• 55:23
  evidence it prevented transmission.
• 55:26
  There's no evidence that it reduced the spread of the virus
• 55:30
  from person to person. All they figured out it did is
• 55:33
  it might make your own individual case milder, but they
• 55:37
  had no evidence whatsoever that it would influence transmission
• 55:41
  or help and the pandemic in any way.
• 55:44
  Yet what did the government do? They mandated it.
• 55:48
  What did employers do? They mandated it.
• 55:51
  It was mandated not for everybody everywhere, but it was
• 55:55
  mandated in a lot of places. And so parents watched our
• 56:00
  government doing that and some people just said, OK, that
• 56:03
  sounds good to me. I always trust the government.
• 56:06
  But 51% of our country said no, I don't like that the government
• 56:12
  is doing this without science to back it up.
• 56:16
  So government, I'm not going to 100% trust you anymore on this.
• 56:21
  I think the biggest I've seen just in what I've observed
• 56:25
  happening online, you know, in my community, personal life,
• 56:29
  friends and family, people far away, that the the doubling down
• 56:33
  by medical professionals on you're not allowed to ask
• 56:35
  questions. You're stupid and of course you
• 56:37
  should do this actually increases skepticism.
• 56:41
  And it's kind of understandable because even when you do that
• 56:43
  with a 5 year old, like once they hit the age of reason, when
• 56:46
  they're two or three, it's like no, mom said just don't do it,
• 56:48
  right? You can only explain so much to
• 56:49
  a three-year old once they hit 567.
• 56:51
  And I know because my kid, my oldest is now 5.
• 56:54
  Like he, he's ready for the explanation and you still want
• 56:57
  to assert your authority, but even the five year old wants the
• 57:00
  explanation. Of course, the grown adult who
• 57:02
  has children of their own that they are passionate about
• 57:05
  protecting and they are entrusted with these children,
• 57:08
  you're going to need and damn well deserve an explanation.
• 57:11
  And so I think the refusal to give the explanation is driving
• 57:15
  the distrust. So for those that are, you know,
• 57:18
  very pro vaccine, maybe the whole even schedule, I would say
• 57:21
  give the explanation, win the trust.
• 57:23
  I mean, that's going to be more effective for your cause in the
• 57:26
  end than anything else. Right.
• 57:28
  But you know, what's interesting is part of the reason why I
• 57:32
  think doctors in general have how you put a double down on
• 57:36
  this is research has shown that when parents investigate
• 57:42
  vaccines, they become less compliant.
• 57:45
  They're actually less likely to vaccinate if they investigate.
• 57:49
  Vaccines. I wonder why?
• 57:49
  Why do you think that is? I know, right, Right.
• 57:52
  It's, I mean, it's, I mean, I can kind of go back to sitting
• 57:56
  in the doctor's office with our first child, my wife and I, and
• 58:01
  back then in, in the state we lived in, you were mandated to
• 58:05
  read all the side effects and sign that you'd read all the
• 58:08
  possible side effects before you got the vaccine.
• 58:12
  And we read through the side effects and they're horrible.
• 58:15
  And then my wife was crying and, and she's like, I don't want to
• 58:18
  do this. Why would we give our baby a
• 58:20
  vaccine that, you know, could create all these horrible side
• 58:22
  effects? And, you know, being the doctor,
• 58:24
  I was like, well, you know, we have to do it.
• 58:26
  You know, it's, it's, it's, it's going to be good for him.
• 58:27
  And she tells me, I even use the words it's, it's for the good of
• 58:32
  society. And and that's just one small
• 58:35
  example. If you read the list of side
• 58:37
  effects and it's, it's, it's a little scary.
• 58:43
  And so back, you know, back, you know, and then the the 90s, many
• 58:50
  states had mandated informed consent policies where patients
• 58:54
  had to read all the side effects.
• 58:56
  Doctors started complaining and saying people aren't vaccinating
• 58:59
  now, so they took that mandate away.
• 59:03
  They no longer made it mandatory for states to give any informed
• 59:07
  consent. When did vaccines first become
• 59:10
  mandatory for education? In California, it's a state.
• 59:14
  Law. It's a state law.
• 59:15
  Right, so. So is California one of the only
• 59:18
  states that have mandated vaccinations?
• 59:20
  One of the only states, yeah. So for many, many years,
• 59:23
  Mississippi and West Virginia were the only two states that
• 59:26
  had mandates for many, many years.
• 59:29
  And then I believe, gosh, the, the, the time flies.
• 59:33
  But I believe it was 2015 where they mandated them in California
• 59:39
  and they mandated them in New York and maybe before that in
• 59:43
  New York do. You know what the circumstances
• 59:45
  were of the mandate. Measles outbreaks, I think it
• 59:50
  was the measles outbreaks that that prompted schools to not
• 59:55
  just mandate A measles vaccine, which maybe that would have made
• 59:58
  sense. They mandated lots of vaccines.
• 1:00:01
  They mandated like in in California, they mandated
• 1:00:04
  chicken pox vaccine, even though we we haven't had any bigger
• 1:00:07
  problems with chicken pox. They mandated hepatitis B
• 1:00:11
  vaccine for all. Babies and daycare.
• 1:00:14
  All preschoolers and all children in school in
• 1:00:17
  California. I want to talk about that one.
• 1:00:19
  I promised our listeners I would get into the brass tacks with
• 1:00:22
  you of some of these. And I know this could take
• 1:00:24
  literally days and days and days, but we'll do a couple.
• 1:00:27
  And I do want to talk about Hep B because that is the first
• 1:00:29
  vaccine that is mandated in the state of California.
• 1:00:31
  If you want your child to eventually go to a daycare or
• 1:00:33
  preschool or you know, go to school and it's birth one month
• 1:00:40
  and then they have to get it again, I think at six months,
• 1:00:44
  according to the CDC recommended schedule.
• 1:00:46
  Now, I know there's some wiggle room with when and how they're
• 1:00:49
  the vaccines are given and still to meet California requirements.
• 1:00:53
  But generally speaking, you go to the pediatrician and they
• 1:00:55
  tell you this. And I'll just share a personal
• 1:00:57
  story with my first child going to a pediatrician.
• 1:01:00
  I think it was in Los Angeles and she was saying, oh, it's, it
• 1:01:03
  was in my newborn baby. You have to get this vaccine.
• 1:01:06
  It was hepatitis B. And I said, can you tell me more
• 1:01:08
  about that? Like I'm not against vaccines or
• 1:01:09
  anything, but like, just like in terms of the timeline and like
• 1:01:12
  to learn more, totally shut down, not allowed to know more.
• 1:01:16
  Don't have time to talk to you about it.
• 1:01:18
  Of course I'm the doctor. You're this patient, you're
• 1:01:20
  stupid or your son's the patient in this in this situation.
• 1:01:23
  But then I said, well, what is the hepatitis B?
• 1:01:26
  It's not like a sexually transmitted disease.
• 1:01:28
  And you know, I don't have it. I didn't have it obviously.
• 1:01:31
  And you know, my son, he's, I'm not planning to even send him
• 1:01:34
  anywhere that he would, you know, be able to pick that up.
• 1:01:36
  He's a newborn. And she made some comment about
• 1:01:39
  he might step on a needle because we were living in
• 1:01:42
  downtown LA and maybe this was fair, but there might be a a
• 1:01:45
  drug addicts needle that has hepatitis B in it and if my
• 1:01:48
  newborn baby steps on the needle.
• 1:01:51
  Horrible. Then you'd get hepatitis B and
• 1:01:55
  yeah, so I, I'd love to hear your take on hepatitis B, that
• 1:01:59
  vaccine. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:00
  One of the stories I've heard from a patient is the nurse in
• 1:02:03
  the hospital near nearby here told them, well, what if one of
• 1:02:08
  the nurses here that works in the hospital who has hepatitis
• 1:02:11
  B, accidentally bleeds on your baby?
• 1:02:14
  You got to get this vaccine. We're getting out of.
• 1:02:20
  Here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:21
  They couldn't get out of there fast enough.
• 1:02:23
  So yeah, that's that's another vaccine that made me start to
• 1:02:28
  question things all the way back at Georgetown in the early 90s
• 1:02:32
  when I saw our government put that vaccine on the schedule for
• 1:02:37
  every newborn baby. That didn't make any sense to me
• 1:02:40
  as a doctor, and it didn't actually make sense to many of
• 1:02:43
  my colleagues either. Why would babies need a vaccine
• 1:02:47
  for a sexually transmitted infection?
• 1:02:50
  And the rate of of babies and children catching Hep B through
• 1:02:55
  some, you know. Freak accident.
• 1:02:57
  Freak accident, yeah. Something that's, you know,
• 1:02:59
  astronomically, you know, low chance of, of, of happening.
• 1:03:04
  I mean, they, they didn't even know how many kids.
• 1:03:07
  But the best that I could research is that there might be
• 1:03:11
  something like like 30 kids a year, 20 kids a year in the
• 1:03:14
  country somehow accidentally coming up with this virus.
• 1:03:18
  It's just from transmitted from their mother.
• 1:03:22
  Not including mother, Not. Including in a house.
• 1:03:25
  Almost like an accident. So it's like living in the
• 1:03:27
  household with someone who has Hep B and they, they're
• 1:03:30
  literally bled on kind of thing like AIDS, almost like AIDS
• 1:03:32
  transmission. That's not via birth.
• 1:03:34
  If you you don't get in touch with their blood then you might
• 1:03:37
  get AIDS. Right.
• 1:03:38
  So it was super unlikely. Yeah, super unlikely.
• 1:03:41
  So I did a little research way back then and what I found was 2
• 1:03:46
  doctors that helped develop the Hep B vaccine for two different
• 1:03:52
  pharmaceutical companies because there were two products.
• 1:03:55
  They're the ones that did that, published a whole bunch of
• 1:03:58
  research that actually put forth the hypothesis that as many as
• 1:04:04
  30,000 kids were coming down with Hep B every year
• 1:04:07
  accidentally in our country. They made-up these data.
• 1:04:11
  They totally made it up and they published that and everyone
• 1:04:15
  freaked out. The medical community said, Oh
• 1:04:17
  no, that that many kids are coming down with Hep B.
• 1:04:20
  We better do something. About it, No one questioned the.
• 1:04:21
  Data. No one questioned it except for
• 1:04:23
  me and a few other people so. Is that a common thing?
• 1:04:27
  And with medical journals, that stuff gets published that.
• 1:04:31
  Yes, especially when there's a financial reason for it.
• 1:04:34
  Or maybe when it's red hot, controversial and people don't
• 1:04:37
  want to question things, is that part of it or?
• 1:04:41
  I, I don't even know I'm, I'm not in the academic world.
• 1:04:44
  I mean, I, I kind of was a lot more academic back then because
• 1:04:48
  I was, you know, in, in school, but that, that just made no
• 1:04:51
  sense to me. And so then when I saw that the
• 1:04:53
  two doctors that published that study worked for the two
• 1:04:57
  pharmaceutical companies that made Hep B vaccine, I was like,
• 1:05:01
  well, that's clear conflicts of interest.
• 1:05:03
  Clearly, they are being paid to put forth this false data and
• 1:05:08
  get everyone to buy it. But that's kind of what the
• 1:05:10
  medical community does. If it's published in a in a
• 1:05:14
  medical journal that has a great reputation, everyone believes
• 1:05:18
  it. So everyone sat back and let our
• 1:05:20
  government put Hep B vaccine onto the schedule.
• 1:05:23
  And how much? Money.
• 1:05:26
  Go ahead. But when we see people make
• 1:05:27
  policies like that, that's again, what what makes parents
• 1:05:30
  question it. How much money?
• 1:05:32
  I don't know if you know this, but how much money are these
• 1:05:35
  pharmaceutical companies making from the Hep B vaccine?
• 1:05:39
  Well, if you want to do some quick math, the three doses
• 1:05:43
  probably cost me about $200 total to buy 3 doses of Hep B.
• 1:05:48
  Vaccine and that's what the child is given ultimately.
• 1:05:50
  Yes, it times that by 4 million kids being born every year. 4
• 1:05:54
  million * 200. It's 800 million. $800 million,
• 1:05:59
  yeah, in a year. Almost a billion dollars, yeah,
• 1:06:02
  from that. That's just extra cash.
• 1:06:04
  Yeah, yeah. So we kind of go back to what I
• 1:06:07
  said earlier. Let's make vaccines.
• 1:06:09
  Not that we need to make or that our society needs to save us
• 1:06:14
  from infection. Let's just figure out what
• 1:06:16
  vaccines can we make and get them on the schedule.
• 1:06:21
  So what are the risks of the Hep B vaccine?
• 1:06:25
  The main risk of hep B vaccine is that it can cause fever and
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  you're. Spiking a little ones for.
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  Fever probably around 1% or might be a 1/2 percent of babies
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  who get a Hep B vaccine will get a fever.
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  And if you're a newborn in a hospital who just got the Hep B
• 1:06:43
  vaccine, if you spike a fever, they send you to the intensive
• 1:06:47
  care unit for antibiotics. And so that happens more now to
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  babies than it used to because we give them something that can
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  induce fever on day one when it's completely unnecessary.
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  The other risk from Hep B used to be back when they first made
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  the vaccine, unfortunately, it was one of the vaccines that had
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  mercury. And so everyone born in the 90s
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  that got that vaccine got got a nice little dose of mercury.
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  They took it out, but it has aluminum in it.
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  And aluminum, you know how our society is trying to be very
• 1:07:25
  careful with like aluminum and deodorants and aluminum and
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  other cosmetics. And we're trying to limit our
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  exposure to aluminum. Well, a lot of vaccines have
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  aluminum and Hep B is one of them.
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  And so you give that to a baby day one.
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  And we know aluminum isn't good for brain tissue and developing
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  nervous systems. And so that's something, if your
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  baby doesn't need a vaccine for a disease they're never going to
• 1:07:52
  see, at least for 1520 years, why even take that risk?
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  And to me, that's kind of like a no brainer.
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  Because you can do the Hep B vaccine as a young teen or an
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  older teen and get immunity that way.
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  If you are concerned with sexual activity or you want to somehow
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  deal with it, then you don't. What you're saying is you don't
• 1:08:13
  have to do it early in childhood if you can still get the
• 1:08:16
  immunity later in life by taking it and vaccine later on?
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  But it scared people thinking that 30,000 kids are getting Hep
• 1:08:22
  B every year based on the published research.
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  And we didn't want to, you know, leave people unimmunized.
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  So that's how it went down. So you go through each vaccine
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  and I do want to get to a couple more specifically in our time
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  and then talk about the risks and ingredients more as well.
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  But I do want to ask you, what do you currently recommend as
• 1:08:43
  the best schedule for vaccines for a newborn in the first year
• 1:08:50
  of life? Well, I like to answer that
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  basically by saying what happens in my office with patients.
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  My own recommendation is pretty neutral.
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  Like I Ioffer every vaccine, Ioffer the the full CDC
• 1:09:06
  schedule. No one ever takes me up on it in
• 1:09:10
  my office. None of my patients ever want
• 1:09:12
  the full CDC schedule. But I, I kind of offer it just
• 1:09:15
  kind of by as a default starting point.
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  I don't tell any of my patients that you absolutely 100% have to
• 1:09:25
  get these three vaccines or these five vaccines or even this
• 1:09:29
  one vaccine. I'm not 100% an advocate for for
• 1:09:35
  anyone vaccine. Now, I think some of them are
• 1:09:39
  more important than others, but none that I just sit down and
• 1:09:44
  say, OK, you got to get this one and we've got to do these, these
• 1:09:47
  five doses of this one vaccine over the next few years.
• 1:09:51
  So your kid is guaranteed immunity from this.
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  One thing I wouldn't say there is is is one that kind of fits
• 1:09:57
  that criteria. What happens in my office,
• 1:10:01
  however, is most of my patients come to me not wanting any
• 1:10:06
  vaccines at all. Like they've already made their
• 1:10:08
  decision. Most of them honestly don't even
• 1:10:11
  ask my opinion. They've read many books, they've
• 1:10:15
  read many research articles, they've studied it.
• 1:10:19
  They come to my office with a new baby, confident in their
• 1:10:22
  decision to raise a baby totally vaccine free.
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  And they say, you know, thanks, but no thanks.
• 1:10:29
  And then you're we're good. And and you know, I, I raised
• 1:10:33
  them in my office without giving them that vaccines.
• 1:10:36
  That's kind of the majority of what I'm seeing now in my
• 1:10:38
  office. When people ask my opinion, you
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  know, we, I make them go read the book, I make them go, you
• 1:10:45
  know, watch the podcast, watch some videos.
• 1:10:47
  I make them kind of get educated and then they come back and we
• 1:10:51
  have 1/2 hour discussion where I kind of kind of like we're
• 1:10:54
  talking now. I basically go through the pros
• 1:10:56
  and cons. I don't advocate for or against
• 1:11:00
  anything. I just kind of lay out the risk
• 1:11:03
  versus benefits kind of in a summary.
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  And let's say 99% of my patients choose to not opt in for
• 1:11:13
  anything male. Do you get any kind of
• 1:11:16
  discrimination from the state of California because you're A, a
• 1:11:20
  Doctor Who's daring to say what you're saying right now and
• 1:11:22
  write, write, write, writing your book and B, you run a
• 1:11:24
  practice where you have so many patients who are opting not to
• 1:11:27
  vaccinate. Yes, I did.
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  Yes. Yeah, the, the state of
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  California, the Medical Board of California came after me for the
• 1:11:37
  advice that I give on vaccines. Ultimately, whenever I saw a
• 1:11:43
  patient who had a really bad reaction to a vaccine, I I would
• 1:11:46
  agree with that patient that their bad reaction warrants them
• 1:11:52
  choosing to not do any more vaccines.
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  Yeah, I got basically sided with them.
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  Yeah, sided with them. And and then in some cases, I
• 1:12:01
  would actually then write them a medical exemption from needing
• 1:12:06
  to be vaccinated, Right. The Medical Board of California
• 1:12:10
  took exception to that. And they said, and they're
• 1:12:16
  they're right about what they said, right.
• 1:12:19
  They said that the standard of care for deciding who should be
• 1:12:23
  exempt from vaccines is only limited to people who have been
• 1:12:28
  severely brain injured by a vaccine or suffered severe
• 1:12:33
  anaphylactic shock and almost died from an allergic reaction.
• 1:12:36
  So the only way you're allowed to get a medical exemption in
• 1:12:40
  California is if you have severe brain injury or go into
• 1:12:46
  paralytic. Anaphylactic.
• 1:12:48
  Shock, right? But if you have, you know, long
• 1:12:51
  lasting immunocompromised issues or arthritis or something like
• 1:12:56
  this, doesn't matter. You got to get the full schedule
• 1:12:58
  to go to public school or to go to school.
• 1:13:00
  Exactly. And and I disagreed.
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  I said no. If I have a patient who had a
• 1:13:04
  say, they had a, a temporary nerve injury that I've seen
• 1:13:08
  where someone's arm stops working or they, they lose all
• 1:13:11
  the, the sensation in the movement in their facial muscles
• 1:13:14
  after a vaccine. Or I've seen a few kids eyes get
• 1:13:18
  paralyzed after a vaccine where their eyes stop working and they
• 1:13:20
  can't track anything. And, and I've seen their
• 1:13:23
  arthritis reactions, I've seen seizure reactions, I've seen
• 1:13:27
  moderate, a lot of moderate allergic reactions.
• 1:13:31
  They didn't go into anaphylactic shock.
• 1:13:34
  They didn't almost die. They just halfway went there and
• 1:13:38
  the state of California says no, those reactions are not bad
• 1:13:42
  enough to warrant a medical exemption, and so that's why
• 1:13:45
  they came after my medical license.
• 1:13:47
  You still have your medical license.
• 1:13:49
  I I survived. You survived that attack.
• 1:13:52
  What do you think about the fact that they did that, that they
• 1:13:54
  came after you and that they have this policy in the state
• 1:13:56
  where you they're forcing millions of kids ultimately over
• 1:14:03
  years to be vaccinated in order just to go to school?
• 1:14:07
  I know and well, I, I wrote a whole book on it, you know, you
• 1:14:11
  know the right there in front of you, the.
• 1:14:13
  One doctor verses the medical board A a novel, a true story
• 1:14:17
  novel, right but. Inspired by true events right
• 1:14:20
  now. It's, I mean, so it was a
• 1:14:24
  fascinating time in my life to watch the the government of
• 1:14:29
  California basically where it used to be that that people who
• 1:14:34
  had these bad vaccine reactions that didn't almost kill them.
• 1:14:38
  They just suffered some moderately severe reactions
• 1:14:41
  where they could opt out medically and then then not have
• 1:14:44
  to vaccinate to see the state of California.
• 1:14:47
  Take that away from parents and limit vaccine exemptions to only
• 1:14:52
  severe brain injury and anaphylactic shock.
• 1:14:56
  That that almost put me into anaphylactic shock.
• 1:14:59
  I mean, I couldn't believe they were doing this.
• 1:15:02
  And we begged the legislators not to do this.
• 1:15:04
  Me and, and many of my colleagues and, and 10s of
• 1:15:07
  thousands of parents went up to Sacramento and, and begged the
• 1:15:10
  legislature to allow parents to opt out of vaccines if they had
• 1:15:15
  moderately severe reactions. And they just said, sorry, the
• 1:15:20
  CDC and they base their criteria on CDC criteria.
• 1:15:26
  They said the CDC made the rules that vaccine exemptions, you
• 1:15:32
  know, you know, should be limited to these two severe
• 1:15:36
  situations. And so we're just going to go
• 1:15:38
  based on the CDC and the. CDC knows it doesn't have the
• 1:15:44
  power to. It's not forcibly vaccinating
• 1:15:46
  all children in America. Both states have medical freedom
• 1:15:49
  and allow you. Yeah, you want to get the
• 1:15:51
  vaccine, go for it. If you don't, go for it.
• 1:15:53
  Right, right. So the CDC makes medical policy
• 1:15:56
  that states don't have to follow.
• 1:15:59
  Doctors will listen to them. Doctors will will follow the CDC
• 1:16:02
  advice and some state governments will, but some state
• 1:16:06
  governments won't. So the, the state of California
• 1:16:09
  chose to follow the, the CDC guidelines on this.
• 1:16:12
  And so the, that's kind of why I say the medical board was kind
• 1:16:15
  of right and that they're right. If you ask, you know, 100
• 1:16:20
  doctors nationwide what are the criteria for getting a medical
• 1:16:24
  exemption for vaccines, 99 of them will say brain injury and
• 1:16:28
  anaphylactic shock. And one of them will be like me
• 1:16:31
  and say no. And it has to be broader than
• 1:16:33
  that. Do you think a lot of doctors
• 1:16:36
  might secretly agree with you if there wasn't such a tremendous
• 1:16:42
  blowback or professional risk? Wow, interesting.
• 1:16:47
  I've always wondered that actually.
• 1:16:49
  And, and I, I feel like post COVID, more and more doctors are
• 1:16:55
  coming out of the woodwork and then coming out of the kind of
• 1:16:58
  their, their, their hidden place where they, they have shared
• 1:17:02
  some of my concerns, but it just have been too afraid to talk
• 1:17:05
  about it. So actually, yes, more and more
• 1:17:08
  doctors are now coming out saying that maybe our vaccine
• 1:17:12
  policy over does it. Maybe we're giving too many
• 1:17:15
  vaccines, some unnecessary vaccines and and will we see a
• 1:17:20
  shift in actual policy? I hope so, especially with this
• 1:17:25
  new administration. We're not going to get rid of
• 1:17:28
  vaccines. You know, no one's going to make
• 1:17:31
  a huge change in vaccine policy. But I think we're going to see
• 1:17:34
  more accountability and see better science be see better
• 1:17:39
  safety studies. And I think we'll see the
• 1:17:43
  financial influence of the Pharmaceutical industry.
• 1:17:48
  Hopefully, we'll see that be eliminated from vaccine
• 1:17:51
  policymakers. And when the government and the
• 1:17:54
  CDC are going to decide about vaccines, they're not going to
• 1:17:57
  do it. You know, they're not going to
• 1:17:59
  let a bunch of people who are being paid by the pharmaceutical
• 1:18:02
  companies make those decisions because that's how it's been up
• 1:18:05
  to now. People on the CDC and the FDA
• 1:18:08
  boards that make vaccine policy, they receive money from vaccine
• 1:18:13
  manufacturers. Really.
• 1:18:15
  Yeah. And I think that's going to come
• 1:18:16
  to an end, hopefully. How, how, How is that they
• 1:18:18
  receive money as consultants? Yes, yes, a lot of these are
• 1:18:22
  doctors that have done research for the vaccine companies for
• 1:18:25
  many years. So they're double dipping.
• 1:18:26
  They're basically serving in this government capacity and
• 1:18:29
  then they get money on the side. I mean, my understanding is like
• 1:18:31
  if you work at NIH, you're not allowed to get money from
• 1:18:34
  independent research or business.
• 1:18:37
  You're right. There are there are rules where
• 1:18:40
  as you are working at NIH, you can't, you can't get
• 1:18:43
  pharmaceutical money, but you could have gotten it before then
• 1:18:47
  and you can get it after. In fact, the Doctor Who ran the
• 1:18:51
  CDC's vaccine division for eight years, from I think 2002 to
• 1:18:57
  2009, she ran all vaccine policy of the CDC for nine years.
• 1:19:04
  During that time, she owned, I think, $5,000,000 worth of stock
• 1:19:10
  in a vaccine manufacturing company.
• 1:19:12
  And that's allowed. That is allowed because she that
• 1:19:15
  that stock existed prior to her coming to the CDC.
• 1:19:18
  So she has the stock. She, you know, she has a big
• 1:19:21
  financial incentive for this company to thrive.
• 1:19:24
  And then when she left the CDC in 2009, guess who hired her to
• 1:19:30
  lead their vaccine division? That company, she went and, and,
• 1:19:34
  and worked for that company. So it's that kind of double
• 1:19:37
  dipping. It's not illegal.
• 1:19:40
  You know it, it's unethical. But but people for the most part
• 1:19:43
  will, will follow the legal guidelines where you can't
• 1:19:46
  actually get, you know, money put into your hand while you're
• 1:19:49
  at the CDC. But so much money goes in before
• 1:19:53
  and after. And I think that's what what the
• 1:19:55
  policy makers now in Washington are going to try to eliminate
• 1:19:58
  that factor. From this process so that people
• 1:20:02
  can hopefully start to better trust the policies that the CDC
• 1:20:06
  makes. I want to get to a couple more
• 1:20:09
  vaccines and I know there's again 100 different, you know,
• 1:20:13
  according to the CDC schedule, 100 different doses, but you've
• 1:20:16
  got the schedule that you share in the book and then you go
• 1:20:19
  again through each one. The one, the couple of the we
• 1:20:22
  talked about polio, we talked about Hep B, we talked a little
• 1:20:24
  bit about chicken pox, about varicella.
• 1:20:27
  I, I, you mentioned TDP before it was T down right?
• 1:20:31
  And then it was chained to be TDAP.
• 1:20:33
  Let's go to TD tap, excuse me, D tap.
• 1:20:37
  And then I also want to talk. I also want to ask about HIB and
• 1:20:40
  MMR. So you mentioned earlier DTP
• 1:20:44
  caused severe, Was it paralysis? Severe brain.
• 1:20:48
  Injury of severe brain injury. The old one, they updated it.
• 1:20:52
  Tell us about Dtap today. Well.
• 1:20:55
  Dtap today is there's a scaled down version of the old one that
• 1:21:00
  used to cause a lot of severe brain injury.
• 1:21:03
  The drawback is that the vaccine doesn't work very well.
• 1:21:07
  It certainly does not prevent transmission of whooping cough
• 1:21:10
  and that's why we still have a lot of whooping cough today is
• 1:21:13
  that vaccine doesn't stop person to person transmission.
• 1:21:16
  And just for folks listening, Dtap.
• 1:21:18
  And again, a lot of people listening are already educated
• 1:21:20
  on this, but for folks who are maybe becoming educated, but
• 1:21:23
  it's Dtap. Diphtheria, tetanus and whooping
• 1:21:27
  cough or or pertussis starts with AP so DTP, DTAP.
• 1:21:35
  So the vaccine doesn't work as well and but it is milder
• 1:21:40
  doesn't cause as much brain injury as the old vaccine did.
• 1:21:43
  Does it cause some? It it still can cause some Yes.
• 1:21:46
  In fact this used to be on the informed consent paperwork that
• 1:21:51
  parents used to have to read. The new version of the vaccine
• 1:21:55
  caused the brain inflammation in about 1 and 1000 babies who got
• 1:22:00
  the vaccine. And then what does that mean for
• 1:22:02
  them? Brain inflammation.
• 1:22:04
  It means they, their brain swells and they, they have
• 1:22:09
  nonstop inconsolable screaming for three hours, 456 hours.
• 1:22:15
  They might have a high fever. They just go through this
• 1:22:18
  intense, horrible screaming period that that's completely
• 1:22:21
  inconsolable. It's because their brain is
• 1:22:24
  swelling from the an immune reaction to the vaccine.
• 1:22:28
  Do they heal from that completely?
• 1:22:30
  Are there any long lasting effects?
• 1:22:32
  They will calm down. They'll then sort of go through
• 1:22:34
  a period of extreme lethargy and be totally out of it and kind of
• 1:22:38
  sleep it off, and it's about one in 1000 babies that that happens
• 1:22:42
  to, according to the CDC. Do you think it's more?
• 1:22:46
  That is an excellent question, because how do we?
• 1:22:49
  Know is it reporting? I mean, is it reported?
• 1:22:52
  You know how they came up with that one in 1000 number?
• 1:22:55
  I don't know. They took that number off the
• 1:23:00
  the consent forms. Now it just says your baby has a
• 1:23:03
  rare chance of having inconsolable screaming.
• 1:23:06
  They they took off the the one in 1000 and the any mention and
• 1:23:09
  any mention of a brain, possible brain injury, they took that
• 1:23:13
  off. But I don't know how common it
• 1:23:16
  is. I can't say I've seen it.
• 1:23:18
  I've seen babies have that kind of temporary brain swelling and
• 1:23:22
  most of them recover. The thing is though, you're
• 1:23:25
  giving this vaccine 4 times during infancy.
• 1:23:28
  So if it happens once, it happens again, but you don't
• 1:23:32
  know it, then your baby has, say, 3 or 4 episodes of brain
• 1:23:36
  swelling from the DTAP vaccine. Yeah.
• 1:23:39
  I mean, you know, 999 babies might take that vaccine just
• 1:23:44
  fine and then one baby doesn't. And then does that that repeated
• 1:23:49
  brain swelling cause some, some problems with that baby down the
• 1:23:53
  road. The the possibility is there
• 1:23:56
  that that does. And so I think.
• 1:23:58
  Has it been studied? It has been studied.
• 1:24:01
  It hasn't been studied very thoroughly.
• 1:24:04
  What I. What does that mean?
• 1:24:06
  Because I mean, this is given again, this is on the schedule.
• 1:24:08
  This seems like one of the if you're maybe don't do Hep B, OK,
• 1:24:11
  maybe don't do a flu shot, OK, You know, but DTAP, oh, whooping
• 1:24:15
  cough is bad tetanus lockjaw, you know, you could die from
• 1:24:19
  tetanus like, you know, seems pretty serious.
• 1:24:21
  So I think. Yeah, well, well, this is where
• 1:24:23
  it's about informed consent. So.
• 1:24:25
  So, for example, in our country, about 10 babies die from
• 1:24:29
  whooping cough every every year. OK, about 10.
• 1:24:32
  What are the circumstances typically?
• 1:24:34
  Typically a newborn in the first one or two months of life, maybe
• 1:24:42
  maybe a three month old, that's that's the age range where we
• 1:24:45
  see whooping cough can be fatal. Are they dying because they're
• 1:24:48
  not getting medical care quickly enough to prevent them?
• 1:24:51
  From dying. That's part of it.
• 1:24:52
  So it's not like they're there's not like they're getting good
• 1:24:54
  care and then they just die. Well, sometimes it is OK.
• 1:24:57
  So it's a very small number of babies.
• 1:24:59
  It's about 10 babies a year or die of whooping cough and, and
• 1:25:02
  they're pretty much all newborns and maybe some didn't go to the
• 1:25:06
  hospital soon enough, but some did.
• 1:25:07
  Sometimes that disease is just so bad for a for a newborn that
• 1:25:10
  you can't do anything. Now when you look at kids older
• 1:25:13
  than that, say 6 month old babies and one year olds and
• 1:25:17
  five year olds, they just go through whooping cough and
• 1:25:20
  they're fine all right. It's only something that's
• 1:25:22
  terrible for newborns. So you don't want that to happen
• 1:25:25
  to your baby. But then you say, well, then I'm
• 1:25:28
  going to give my baby that vaccine.
• 1:25:30
  Then you have, you know, you have about a one in 1000 risk of
• 1:25:34
  your baby suffering a a brain swelling reaction.
• 1:25:38
  So you kind of as a parent, you kind of look at those numbers,
• 1:25:42
  you know, is so I want to take the risk that my baby's going to
• 1:25:45
  be one of those 10 that died this year of the disease and and
• 1:25:50
  accept that vaccine risk. Or do I want to have my baby go
• 1:25:53
  through infancy without that vaccine risk and just live with
• 1:25:57
  that? You know, that what is, you
• 1:25:59
  know, 10 babies and 4 million babies.
• 1:26:02
  That's like that's like one in 250,000, you know, babies.
• 1:26:05
  It's thank God that the fatality 100,000 is it Yeah, I just yeah,
• 1:26:11
  I'm so I'm. So OK, 400,000 something, but
• 1:26:13
  yeah, one in every 400,000. I mean, thank God that these
• 1:26:16
  diseases are so uncommon, right? That when we see these terrible
• 1:26:20
  things, it's it's more of an anomaly.
• 1:26:22
  So here, here's a question too, and it is part of it, like if
• 1:26:25
  you're a child is getting whooping cough.
• 1:26:27
  I mean, obviously technically, I guess anyone could get it, but
• 1:26:30
  are you more likely to get a disease like whooping cough if
• 1:26:33
  you are going to daycare every day at a young age?
• 1:26:37
  Like if you're just like a breast?
• 1:26:38
  I mean, because you mentioned in your book multiple times the
• 1:26:41
  protective elements of not just being breastfed exclusively in
• 1:26:45
  the first year of life, but also not being, you know, schlepped
• 1:26:48
  off to daycare every day or, you know, multiple days a week.
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  And the reason is you obviously dramatically increase your
• 1:26:56
  exposure when you're on a bunch of other kids.
• 1:26:58
  And then obviously breastfeeding can provide a lot of antibodies
• 1:27:01
  and and nourishment that helps a baby ward off sicknesses.
• 1:27:05
  Yes, you certainly could look at your your own family's lifestyle
• 1:27:09
  and factor that into your risk of self.
• 1:27:12
  If the 10 whooping cough deaths were breastfed non daycare
• 1:27:16
  babies. Right, I, I I don't have.
• 1:27:18
  Data. On that, those data probably do
• 1:27:21
  exist, but I haven't, you know, whittled it down that way.
• 1:27:24
  But but I mean, part of the decision, you mentioned tetanus.
• 1:27:27
  Yeah. You don't want a baby to catch
• 1:27:28
  tetanus, but my answer to that is thank God we only have about
• 1:27:32
  one baby in our whole country every year that comes down with
• 1:27:36
  tetanus. Do they die from it?
• 1:27:39
  They can. But that one baby isn't dying it
• 1:27:41
  from it, it's just getting it. That they're catching tennis and
• 1:27:44
  say when you get tennis, you sort of become partially
• 1:27:47
  paralyzed. You have all these kinds of
• 1:27:49
  nerve problems and you have to be in the intensive care unit
• 1:27:51
  and it's a terrible disease. And it's about one baby or or
• 1:27:55
  toddler age kid in our country every year comes down with that
• 1:28:00
  usually probably from an accident, maybe they're in a big
• 1:28:02
  car accident or something like that and they get some terrible
• 1:28:05
  wounds. And so tetanus festers in there.
• 1:28:07
  But your basic just everyday baby crawling around playing,
• 1:28:11
  they don't get tetanus. So that's in the DTP vaccine?
• 1:28:15
  So you can't get like if you're playing in the backyard and you
• 1:28:17
  get a scrape, there's an old watering, can you get a scrape?
• 1:28:21
  No, just doesn't happen. So where do you get you really
• 1:28:24
  do just get tetanus from someone hacks off your leg with a, with
• 1:28:29
  a, with an old, with an old axe or you're in a car accident like
• 1:28:33
  like. Yeah, yes, yes, there's.
• 1:28:35
  Some. Here, but that or say you live
• 1:28:37
  on a farm and you're running around the farm in in the dirt
• 1:28:40
  where all the all the farm animals are pooping.
• 1:28:43
  OK, right. And and all that manure is
• 1:28:45
  there. Barefoot.
• 1:28:46
  Yeah, you're barefoot and there's a rusty rake that's been
• 1:28:48
  sitting there for 10 years. You, you that goes through your
• 1:28:51
  foot. I see.
• 1:28:52
  That's a tetanus risk. I see now if even if that were
• 1:28:55
  to happen, is there a way you can mitigate the risk of deadly
• 1:28:58
  tetanus even if you put the rake through your foot?
• 1:29:00
  Yes you can. So even if you're not vaccinated
• 1:29:03
  for tetanus, or even if you are, you can get a fast acting
• 1:29:07
  injection that neutralizes tetanus right away.
• 1:29:09
  Amazing. So that if you are in that
• 1:29:11
  circumstance, you're not, you're not at the mercy of the
• 1:29:14
  infection. And so, and you know, you know,
• 1:29:17
  the DTP vaccine, you know, whooping cough, tetanus,
• 1:29:21
  diphtheria is there. We don't have diphtheria in the
• 1:29:23
  United States. We haven't had it for for many,
• 1:29:25
  many. Years.
• 1:29:25
  Why is that in there? Well, because that's how they've
• 1:29:28
  made it, and they just have never bothered to take it out
• 1:29:32
  again, because no one's rethinking this there's.
• 1:29:35
  No liability or reason. To take that, sticking with the
• 1:29:37
  old vaccines and saying we've always made them this way,
• 1:29:39
  there's no reason to change it. And so that's kind of what each
• 1:29:42
  parent has to decide. You look at disease risk, you
• 1:29:44
  look at vaccine risk, and you make these individual decisions
• 1:29:48
  based on each vaccine. OK.
• 1:29:50
  The other one that's very controversial among some is MMR.
• 1:29:53
  Yes. Tell us about MMR, its risks and
• 1:29:56
  advantages. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:58
  How long do we? Have at least a few minutes.
• 1:30:01
  I'll give you, I'll give you that the two-minute version, the
• 1:30:05
  you know, the, the disease risk. And the good news is, is
• 1:30:10
  measles, rumps and rubella pose almost no risk as far as the
• 1:30:14
  diseases go. Measles.
• 1:30:17
  No children have died from measles in the in the United
• 1:30:20
  States in over 20 years. Wow.
• 1:30:23
  We had, we had one child die in 2002 during an outbreak and
• 1:30:28
  then, you know, going back into the 90s that we had, you know, a
• 1:30:32
  few kids die and, and in 1990 there was an outbreak and I
• 1:30:36
  think there were there, you know, maybe a a dozen deaths or
• 1:30:39
  something so. So what, sorry to interrupt, but
• 1:30:42
  when there was that outbreak in California several years back or
• 1:30:44
  a decade ago or so, when then they mandated vaccines in the
• 1:30:48
  state of California just to go to school and it was because you
• 1:30:51
  said of the measles outbreak, no children died.
• 1:30:53
  Oh no, no one died. No, no, no one in a modern
• 1:30:55
  country like the United States dies of.
• 1:30:58
  What happens? Are there lifelong
• 1:31:01
  complications? No, no, you go through it and
• 1:31:04
  you're fine. Now, if you are in an
• 1:31:07
  impoverished country, like where kids are starving and they're
• 1:31:12
  malnourished, measles is, is terrible.
• 1:31:15
  Actually, measles ravages some countries in Africa where kids
• 1:31:20
  die left and right. If you are malnourished.
• 1:31:22
  Measles is is not a good infection to catch.
• 1:31:25
  What would you give the starving child in Africa First, the
• 1:31:28
  measles vaccine or food? I would give him food.
• 1:31:32
  I've given food and and vitamin A vitamin A specifically helps
• 1:31:37
  protect you from measles complications.
• 1:31:39
  And so no. So when you look at MMR
• 1:31:42
  diseases, measles, when you look at mumps, you know, no one dies
• 1:31:45
  of mumps. We've eradicated rubella from
• 1:31:48
  our country. We don't have rubella anymore.
• 1:31:51
  And so those infections pose very little danger to American
• 1:31:56
  kids today. The vaccine, most people who get
• 1:32:01
  the vaccine, they handle it just fine and then there's no
• 1:32:04
  problems. But this is 1 vaccine that has
• 1:32:09
  some potential for side effects and probably probably has one of
• 1:32:13
  the longest lists of possible side effects out of all the
• 1:32:16
  vaccines. And the reason is it's a live
• 1:32:19
  virus vaccine. We're giving live measles, mumps
• 1:32:24
  and rubella germs to, you know, to you when we inject you with
• 1:32:28
  this, they are weakened and they've been modified in the
• 1:32:33
  laboratory to to kind of change their character characteristics
• 1:32:37
  a little bit so they're less likely to actually give you a
• 1:32:39
  real infection. But some of the risks are, I
• 1:32:44
  mean some of the side effects are are that brain swelling
• 1:32:47
  again like like with the DTAP vaccine that we talked about
• 1:32:50
  brain inflammation, so. Theoretically, by the way, the
• 1:32:53
  child that's getting fully vaccinated could have multiple
• 1:32:56
  brain swelling episodes from multiple different vaccines,
• 1:32:59
  especially if they're prone to it or they're sensible to it.
• 1:33:02
  Yeah, yeah. But the MMR vaccine in
• 1:33:03
  particular, very rarely, maybe like one in a million can cause
• 1:33:09
  a very severe brain injury, kind of like the the the kind that
• 1:33:12
  would get you medically exempt from from the vaccine.
• 1:33:16
  Again, severe brain injury, but that's super rare.
• 1:33:19
  But you can get all have all kinds of allergic reactions
• 1:33:22
  from. Super rare, but it's it's more
• 1:33:24
  common than children dying from measles.
• 1:33:27
  Oh. Absolutely 100% yeah, yeah, I
• 1:33:30
  would say if you if you actually looked at data from severe
• 1:33:33
  lifelong reactions to MMR vaccine and compared it to
• 1:33:38
  severe or fatal, you know, cases of measles, Oh yeah, you see way
• 1:33:42
  more from the vaccine now because we've eliminated, you
• 1:33:47
  know, for the most part measles and and.
• 1:33:50
  We've eliminated and this is again the the argument for the
• 1:33:53
  vaccine. We've eliminated it largely
• 1:33:55
  because of the vaccine. I would say yes, measles is a
• 1:33:59
  vaccine where you can argue pretty strongly that that
• 1:34:03
  vaccine is why we don't have measles anymore.
• 1:34:06
  So if, let's just say theoretically, people just
• 1:34:08
  stopped getting the MMR vaccine, how long would it take, would
• 1:34:12
  you say, until measles started making a comeback?
• 1:34:15
  Well, let me let me briefly say the reason we still have it
• 1:34:18
  today is the reason why we have these outbreaks is largely
• 1:34:22
  because adults have no immunity even.
• 1:34:26
  If you get the vaccine as a child.
• 1:34:28
  Right. If you get the vaccine as a
• 1:34:29
  child, it wears off. So you become an adult
• 1:34:31
  completely open to measles. You don't have immunity.
• 1:34:36
  Everyone who catches measles as an infection when they're a
• 1:34:39
  child, they have lifelong immunity.
• 1:34:42
  So that's kind of, that's kind of how it went down like, you
• 1:34:44
  know, 50-60, a hundred years ago.
• 1:34:46
  You catch measles when you're a child, you're fine.
• 1:34:49
  You grow up and you're immune. Now that we've eliminated that
• 1:34:53
  disease from our country, kids don't catch measles anymore.
• 1:34:57
  They get the vaccine and they grow up to become adults and the
• 1:35:01
  vaccine wears off. So when an outbreak happens, say
• 1:35:05
  the outbreak is even started by an unvaccinated child, which
• 1:35:09
  which happens certainly a, an unvaccinated family goes to
• 1:35:12
  Europe, their kids catch measles, they bring it back and
• 1:35:16
  then it spreads to people around them, largely adults, because
• 1:35:21
  the adults don't have immunity. And then all the kids around
• 1:35:24
  them who are vaccinated are, are likely immune.
• 1:35:27
  So I mean, it's, it's an interesting, it's an interesting
• 1:35:31
  dilemma because this vaccine has some potential side effects for
• 1:35:36
  kids and we don't really have the disease around, but we don't
• 1:35:40
  have the disease around because of the vaccine.
• 1:35:43
  So you can just go in circles, you know, over and over again.
• 1:35:45
  And so where do you fall as a parent?
• 1:35:48
  That's kind of where you have to make that decision as a parent.
• 1:35:51
  I've got to ask you about. You mentioned aluminum earlier,
• 1:35:55
  and the other thing that a lot of parents, especially pro-life
• 1:36:00
  parents object to is the fact that, remind me which vaccine it
• 1:36:04
  is that has that was created out of this cell line of unaborted
• 1:36:08
  aborted babies? Yes, it's the MMR vaccines and
• 1:36:12
  it's several vaccines. It's it's MMR, the rubella
• 1:36:15
  component. It's the chicken pox vaccine,
• 1:36:19
  it's hepatitis A vaccine, which we haven't even talked about.
• 1:36:23
  And then it's it's one brand. Oh gosh, I don't want to say the
• 1:36:28
  wrong thing. It's either.
• 1:36:31
  It's one more. So.
• 1:36:35
  I can't remember what that 4th 1 is.
• 1:36:37
  I'm bringing this up because, you know, first of all, the my
• 1:36:41
  understanding is it's not actually the, you know, the
• 1:36:43
  cells of that aborted baby. Of course it's cell.
• 1:36:45
  Lines. It's cell lines from the
• 1:36:47
  unaborted baby from decades ago, but you're you're still getting
• 1:36:51
  the DNA of that baby. You're injecting part of the DNA
• 1:36:55
  of that baby into your baby's body.
• 1:36:57
  Correct, if you get any of those 3 vaccines.
• 1:37:00
  And you talk about this in the book and the research is not
• 1:37:02
  conclusive on this is my understanding, but share more
• 1:37:05
  about the potential risks of injecting someone else's DNA
• 1:37:09
  into your child and by someone else, we're talking about a
• 1:37:12
  child who was aborted. So the, the, the theory is that
• 1:37:17
  it might increase autoimmune reactions, like when you like,
• 1:37:22
  wait, when another human's DNA goes into your body and your
• 1:37:26
  immune system sees it and your immune system reacts, it might
• 1:37:32
  make your own immune system turn around and react against you and
• 1:37:35
  attack your own DNA and then and attack your own body because
• 1:37:40
  it's reacting to this other human component in a very
• 1:37:43
  inflammatory way, in a very artificial way.
• 1:37:46
  So then it's going to find other human components to attack.
• 1:37:49
  That's kind of the theory I got to say we, we don't know exactly
• 1:37:54
  what's going on there. And, and for sure what, what
• 1:37:58
  these DNA fragments are doing in our bodies.
• 1:38:01
  People have done research on it and found that it's possible
• 1:38:04
  there's this immune autoimmune problem going on.
• 1:38:08
  For me personally, it's it's, it's, yeah.
• 1:38:11
  It's like a, it just creeps me out thinking I'm, I'm, you know,
• 1:38:17
  injecting a product with that kind of background and it that
• 1:38:21
  was made that way with those components and injecting that
• 1:38:25
  into me. I don't know, just it's in a
• 1:38:28
  very unscientific way, just gives me there the creeps and I
• 1:38:31
  just don't don't feel good about it.
• 1:38:34
  And so and, and a lot of parents also don't feel good about it.
• 1:38:39
  And they also don't like it when the medical community denies
• 1:38:43
  that it's there. You ask any doctor if there's
• 1:38:46
  fetal components and vaccines, they'll say no.
• 1:38:49
  If you ask a researcher who knows, they'll usually admit
• 1:38:53
  that that it's there, but most doctors won't admit that it's
• 1:38:56
  there. And because maybe they just
• 1:38:59
  don't want that to be part of the discussion.
• 1:39:03
  There's so much more here, and I'm incredibly grateful for your
• 1:39:07
  courage and writing this book and your books and speaking on
• 1:39:10
  this. What would you say is a message
• 1:39:13
  you may have to someone who's listening, who is?
• 1:39:17
  Yeah, concerned. Like, they see the research,
• 1:39:20
  they're concerned, but they still feel like everyone else is
• 1:39:23
  telling me I should do this. I mean, in the state of
• 1:39:25
  California, they're telling me I have to do this to send my child
• 1:39:28
  to school. What would What would you say to
• 1:39:30
  that parent? You know, I like to tell parents
• 1:39:34
  that honestly and sadly, because your doctor won't talk to you
• 1:39:39
  about this, as as everyone knows, you go to a Doctor Who
• 1:39:44
  has a vaccine mandate in their office.
• 1:39:47
  They they'll kick you out if you ask questions if you don't
• 1:39:50
  comply. So you can't, unfortunately, you
• 1:39:54
  can't expect to get have a nice long hour, hour long friendly
• 1:39:58
  discussion with your doctor. You have to do your own
• 1:40:01
  research. And you know, I would read
• 1:40:03
  several books, read books written by doctors, you know, do
• 1:40:08
  your own research. But you can't wait until your
• 1:40:12
  two-month appointment where your baby's supposed to get 8
• 1:40:16
  vaccines. You can't wait till that
• 1:40:19
  appointment to start asking questions.
• 1:40:21
  You got to start researching it sooner.
• 1:40:24
  You know, I think that it does everyone a disservice if if
• 1:40:27
  parents have a new baby and they they're not sure about vaccines,
• 1:40:30
  but they don't even really do any research and they expect to
• 1:40:33
  go into their doctor's office and have an hour long
• 1:40:36
  discussion. The doctor has three other
• 1:40:39
  patients. They're supposed to see that
• 1:40:40
  hour first of all. And then if they have a vaccine
• 1:40:43
  mandate in their practice, they're not going to answer your
• 1:40:45
  questions, then you're left frustrated.
• 1:40:48
  This is almost something where the it's almost the the
• 1:40:51
  consumers responsibility to take it upon themselves to do their
• 1:40:56
  own research. You just have to either that or
• 1:41:00
  find a doctor that will spend the time with you.
• 1:41:03
  But you know, again, I make my patients read.
• 1:41:06
  I, I tell I can't spend an hour with you, you know, holding your
• 1:41:09
  hand and telling you every fact. You got to spend 2 weeks
• 1:41:12
  reading, do a bunch of research and then I'll, I'll sit and talk
• 1:41:15
  to you for, you know, 20-30 minutes and we'll kind of take
• 1:41:19
  our time and discuss it. So I'll do that with my
• 1:41:21
  patients, but most doctors won't.
• 1:41:23
  So, so people, people have to do it themselves.
• 1:41:28
  Thank you for sharing so much information for that informed
• 1:41:34
  consent with so many people. Truly, it's it is heroic.
• 1:41:38
  What you're doing is heroic. It shouldn't have to be, but it.
• 1:41:41
  Is yeah. And, and I, I can't not do it.
• 1:41:44
  I, I guess, you know, I feel responsible to do it.
• 1:41:48
  I can also add that I love doing it.
• 1:41:50
  I, I mean, vaccines for me are my favorite thing to talk about
• 1:41:55
  and I can talk about it all day. I could never Start learning
• 1:41:58
  about it, never stop learning about it and never stop writing
• 1:42:02
  about it. And it, it fascinates me because
• 1:42:04
  I, I want to make sure people are equipped to make a decision
• 1:42:09
  that they feel is best for their child and their family.
• 1:42:13
  And, and they probably have to consider the community around
• 1:42:17
  them as well, you know, But I think everyone has the right to
• 1:42:20
  make those choices. Doctor Sears, where can people
• 1:42:23
  find your work? I'd say my main spot is my
• 1:42:28
  website, you know, Doctor Bob sears.com, you know, I just was
• 1:42:33
  at Dr. bobsears.com. Yeah, it's a, it's a brand new
• 1:42:37
  website. I had a lot of fun creating it
• 1:42:39
  and I have a lot of good resources on there.
• 1:42:41
  And but not just my resources, I mean there's, there's lots of
• 1:42:44
  other. Highly recommend this guys.
• 1:42:46
  It's a, it's an and it's an easy read.
• 1:42:48
  It's an easy read and not that it's like light, but it's, it's
• 1:42:52
  easy. It's a manual to understand what
• 1:42:54
  we're dealing with. Yeah, and I've created a lot of
• 1:42:56
  other tools. I've created podcasts and
• 1:42:59
  videos. You don't have a month to spend
• 1:43:02
  going through a book, Spend 5 hours watching a video, spend an
• 1:43:06
  hour watching another video. I've tried to create a lot of
• 1:43:09
  different resources that people could use that fits, you know,
• 1:43:14
  how they learn because not everyone learns by by reading
• 1:43:18
  very well. But yeah, you got to find a way
• 1:43:19
  to do your homework so that you make an educated decision.
• 1:43:23
  I have one last question. If, theoretically people just
• 1:43:26
  cold Turkey stopped the childhood vaccine schedule and
• 1:43:30
  stopped doing the vaccines on the childhood vaccine schedule
• 1:43:32
  from the CDC, and pretty much no one, unless they were traveling
• 1:43:36
  to a third world country with their kids, was getting the
• 1:43:39
  vaccines on that schedule, what would you, if you will, if you
• 1:43:43
  can theorize about what disease would look like over the next
• 1:43:46
  two decades? I would say we would see chicken
• 1:43:50
  pox come back like like it used to.
• 1:43:52
  I we would definitely start to see measles.
• 1:43:56
  We would probably those are the two of the main vaccines that do
• 1:44:04
  kind of help keep these diseases out of our out of our country.
• 1:44:08
  We would not see polio come back.
• 1:44:11
  Whooping cough wouldn't change because that vaccine doesn't
• 1:44:13
  help. The flu wouldn't change.
• 1:44:16
  COVID wouldn't change. What else?
• 1:44:19
  Yeah. We don't have diphtheria.
• 1:44:20
  It wouldn't come back because the theory is is a disease of,
• 1:44:23
  of poor sanitation. I don't think we, you know,
• 1:44:28
  probably wouldn't see much tetanus come back.
• 1:44:31
  We would see a few things come back, but none of the scourges
• 1:44:34
  that that killed everyone left and right, you know, of 100
• 1:44:37
  years ago and 50 years ago. I feel like we would have to
• 1:44:41
  deal with it and, and we deal with it as a society.
• 1:44:45
  But the question is, and then I guess my challenge to, to
• 1:44:49
  listeners, like if you were a doctor listening to this or if
• 1:44:52
  you are someone who is in favor of mandated vaccines and you're
• 1:44:55
  listening to this. My challenge to you is I feel
• 1:44:59
  like we have to answer the question of which kids are
• 1:45:04
  healthier, those who grow up without vaccines or those who
• 1:45:09
  grow up with the CDC vaccine schedule.
• 1:45:12
  So far it hasn't been researched.
• 1:45:14
  Wow. In a large way it.
• 1:45:15
  Has not been researched. There's been small studies,
• 1:45:18
  every small study that's been done shows that the unvaccinated
• 1:45:22
  kids are healthier. Wow, the.
• 1:45:24
  Unvaccinated kids are not good enough studies to make a
• 1:45:27
  conclusion. So my challenge to the medical
• 1:45:30
  community listen to this is do that study, take 100,000 kids
• 1:45:36
  and you know, do the CDC schedule on, on half of them
• 1:45:39
  because the parents want to and and don't do vaccines.
• 1:45:43
  On the, on the other big group of parents who voluntarily
• 1:45:47
  decide that they want to opt out of vaccines, study those kids
• 1:45:51
  for the next 20 years. See if it maybe there's no
• 1:45:55
  difference. Maybe we're all the same.
• 1:45:57
  Maybe the vaccinated kids end up way healthier.
• 1:46:01
  But what if we find that the unvaccinated kids are the ones
• 1:46:04
  that are way healthier? I'm shocked that we haven't done
• 1:46:08
  that research. And our government asked the CDC
• 1:46:12
  to do that research 10 years ago.
• 1:46:13
  And the CDC said, no, thank you. I bet we'll see this government
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  And I bet there will be people at the CDC or the NIH or
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  20 years from now we can we can answer this question.
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  Amazing. Thank you so much, Dr. Sears.
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