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Xosha Roquemore, Alano Miller, Skip Finley, Kika Wise & Brandon Pankey · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: show chronicles a couple who met and fall in love
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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, with the full season spanning five years
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Speaker 1: and eight episodes. Please Welcome to Money Making Conversation. Zoe Show,
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Speaker 1: Rockemore and Elano Miller. Come on now, come on now,
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Speaker 1: how y'all doing? Now? First of all, you first first
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Speaker 1: time on the show? Um, you know, you know I
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Speaker 1: I saw the show from the beginning and when it
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Speaker 1: came out. You know, I'm a big fan of Ava
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Speaker 1: and just just to get people a little background, Uh,
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Speaker 1: so show you were on the Mindy Project? Correct, Yes,
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Speaker 1: I was, so tell us a little bit about that
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Speaker 1: that experience before we break down everything, and I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: ask you the same question Alano about Underground on the
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Speaker 1: mini project was so fun and amazing. I love everybody
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Speaker 1: over there. Um, Mindy Kaling is an amazing woman and
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Speaker 1: artistic mogul and brilliant writer. So to get to work
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Speaker 1: with her was super cool and we just had a
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Speaker 1: good time. It was a half hour comedy, a lot
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Speaker 1: of improvising. Will be on set Roland just like dying
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Speaker 1: and it is having a great time pretty much every day.
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Speaker 1: So that was super fun. Okay, you can get to
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Speaker 1: that's a sitcom basically, And then all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: we got my man, Alana Miller the Underground Way different
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Speaker 1: way different There he's out there in this in the sun,
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Speaker 1: my friend. Yeah, I was out there and that sun.
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Speaker 1: Um it was you know, it was a tough show.
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Speaker 1: It's a challenging show. UM. But I was really honored
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Speaker 1: to have a chance to continue to change the narrative
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Speaker 1: of slavery um and uh, you know, really promote the
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Speaker 1: fact that they are these superheroes that that lived and
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Speaker 1: breathe here on this planet, and that they're real people
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Speaker 1: and that they really aid the way for us to
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Speaker 1: be where we are today. So um, to be a
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Speaker 1: part of that journey was amazing. Of course, you know
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Speaker 1: Misha Green, she is like one of my favorite human
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Speaker 1: beings of the creator of Underground And uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: I walked away with a lot of friends from that set.
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Speaker 1: So sad that it's gone, but I'm glad to be
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Speaker 1: a part of the move The movement absolutely there. It's
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Speaker 1: really important when I hear both of you guys talking,
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Speaker 1: I hear the word relationships, you know, being a key
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Speaker 1: conversation and also the environment you that you worked on
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Speaker 1: in those previous relationships. And I always tell people in
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Speaker 1: my in my business, I have been very successful in
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Speaker 1: entertainment and the way from entertainment, and I find the
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Speaker 1: relationships are really the key and how you maintain them
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Speaker 1: is the key for longevity. Correct, Yeah, I think that's
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Speaker 1: definitely one of the keys. Yeah, it's about being able
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Speaker 1: to um, you know, investing yourself, but also investing relationships.
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Speaker 1: I mean you never know, um you don't do it
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Speaker 1: for the fact of you know where you what you're
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Speaker 1: gonna get from them. But you you invest in relationship,
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Speaker 1: it is because you want to be challenged, you want
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Speaker 1: to be sharpened and uh, you wanna you want to
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Speaker 1: learn more and become a better person, better artist, whatever
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Speaker 1: it is. And so you just to stay open and
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Speaker 1: be a sponge. Cool. Okay, when we're talking, I'm talking
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Speaker 1: to those Rocke Moore and Alano Miller, stars of the
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Speaker 1: own a television series Cherished Today. Now, they gave me
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Speaker 1: a quick description. This is the narrative will unfold to
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Speaker 1: reveal significant moments in a relationship that compail us the whole,
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Speaker 1: true to the ones we love, from the extraordinary to
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Speaker 1: the every day. Now, that's what they sit over to me.
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Speaker 1: This is my takeaway from this series when I watch
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Speaker 1: I watched so far. It's a show about trust. It's
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Speaker 1: a show about follow your passion, don't live your life
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Speaker 1: through other people's dreams. Don't judge based on your perception.
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Speaker 1: It's all right to be different. It's all right to
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Speaker 1: dress different, it's all right to talk different, it's all
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Speaker 1: right to dream different. And more importantly, a real relationship
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Speaker 1: is more than good sex. Yeah, and and the reason
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Speaker 1: the reason I pull those things out of because that
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Speaker 1: really is what money main conversation is all about. I
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Speaker 1: was talking about follow your passion. I always say lead
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Speaker 1: with your gifts, and that that that tone keeps ringing
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Speaker 1: over and over because you guys are a very distinctive personality.
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Speaker 1: So starting with you, Josha, explain to everybody your character,
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Speaker 1: and then a Lana follow up with yours. So we
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Speaker 1: can just started developing this show concept of the people
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Speaker 1: who may have never heard of the show that we
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Speaker 1: want to drive them to the show and realized they
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Speaker 1: are missing something special and they should they should go
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Speaker 1: to the backlogs and and catch up because it's because
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Speaker 1: it's one of them, Because it's one of them serious
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Speaker 1: where you just can't stop in. You just can't drop
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Speaker 1: in this series. You can't dropping episode five, you know
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Speaker 1: you because you gotta go to that one and and
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Speaker 1: uh and and just build that information of love because
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Speaker 1: because because Zoshi got some some character flaws in there,
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Speaker 1: and uh, my man Alana character, he got some character flaws.
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Speaker 1: But that's who makes a beautiful couple. That's would make
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Speaker 1: this serious so perfect. So so I should tell us
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Speaker 1: about your character gently. Okay, my character gently, James. She's
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Speaker 1: a free spirit. She's from South Los Angeles, he grew up.
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Speaker 1: Why is that funny? Because I've lived in Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: fifteen years. I knew exactly what south Los Angeles. What's
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles? Yeah, yes, she's from South l A. From
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Speaker 1: the West Adams area specifically. Um, she wasn't her background
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Speaker 1: with a little it wasn't traditional. She didn't really have
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Speaker 1: her parents. Um, but she has this network of people
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Speaker 1: who uncles were like her parents for her, and those
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Speaker 1: are like her loved one. So he kind of have
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Speaker 1: like a maid family. Um. She's a world traveler and
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Speaker 1: she's just a woman kind of like taking life as
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Speaker 1: it comes and doing things on her own time, in
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Speaker 1: her own way, with her own flavor. And then she
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Speaker 1: meets this guy who kind of challenging everything that she
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Speaker 1: thought she was about and hold on let me, let
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Speaker 1: me stay on because I don't want to be now
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Speaker 1: social and watching your character, you know, I I sensed
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Speaker 1: a large amount of fear. That's why I talked about
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Speaker 1: trust and yeah, and I don't want to give away
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Speaker 1: too much of the character lay out of why you
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Speaker 1: have those trust issues and why you why you are
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Speaker 1: traveling while you, like I said, you know, you're a
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Speaker 1: frog without a path to stay on, you know, you
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Speaker 1: just keep hopping. I think I think Vinley's background um
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Speaker 1: have some trauma in it, and I think the trauma
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Speaker 1: led her to not trust people as well. Um or Yeah.
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Speaker 1: She's like she got traumatized pretty early in her youth
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Speaker 1: and she's kind of carried that with her and manifested
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Speaker 1: a lot. One way that it manifests her not being
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Speaker 1: able to trust easily, It manifest is her wanting to
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Speaker 1: get as far away from where she came from as
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Speaker 1: possible and kind of just see the whole world. It
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Speaker 1: comes a more worldy person who's not just you know,
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Speaker 1: in South l A for her alln entire life. Because
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Speaker 1: I think she saw very early on that like if
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Speaker 1: she stayed there and got into that world, maybe you know,
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Speaker 1: she wouldn't wants to be right because your personality drives
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Speaker 1: that character, that that that worldliness, you know, that ability
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Speaker 1: to you know, like I said, you know go from Germany,
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Speaker 1: to go from some different places that allowed you to
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Speaker 1: like either be a waitress here or just anything. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna work, We're gonna park or lifeguard or whatever this
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Speaker 1: location just to earn money for the experience, like you
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Speaker 1: said in the in the in the show on one place,
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Speaker 1: she was only there for one day. Then you hopped
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Speaker 1: out because the earthquake. You can jump, And it was
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Speaker 1: just I just I just really loved the writing and
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Speaker 1: in the style of it that with your character, because
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Speaker 1: it's important that you bought into the character. So talk
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Speaker 1: about how that's a whole process as an actress getting
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Speaker 1: the script and you're making that character yours. Um. Well,
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Speaker 1: when I first got the script and the looking at
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Speaker 1: the character, she was just very relatable to me. So
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Speaker 1: I had a really a pretty easy end too. Generally
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Speaker 1: I didn't have to like I did a lot of work,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't have to understand her because I kind
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Speaker 1: of innately did. I didn't have a traumatic background like
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Speaker 1: she did in that way, Um, I have my own
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Speaker 1: trauma in other ways to everyone that I'm from South
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Speaker 1: l A. My own self, I'm from I grew up
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Speaker 1: in the Crunch area. My mom and them are from Compton,
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Speaker 1: so I knew what it meant to be from Compton,
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Speaker 1: but not like not up Compton, whatever people think that means.
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Speaker 1: I feel like whenever we see these areas like represented
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Speaker 1: and media as always about gang bang and or like
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Speaker 1: about folks not having enough money for food and things
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Speaker 1: like that. But I was like, I'm from Compton and
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Speaker 1: we always have food, and I was private school and
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Speaker 1: I went to n y U, So I feel like
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Speaker 1: I got to bring a lot of that gently the
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Speaker 1: fact that she was from you know, West Adams, but
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Speaker 1: she like the int Greece multiple times, done all these things.
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Speaker 1: I felt like I was just really realistic. She was
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Speaker 1: a whole person um and a black girl, and we
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Speaker 1: don't see that often, a whole black woman, and I
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Speaker 1: thought that was important too in that character. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: being that I lived in l A fifteen years, every
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Speaker 1: neighborhood that you're talking about, and I did radio in
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Speaker 1: l A, so I knew how people perception of during
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Speaker 1: life or you know, being in competent drive bys, you know,
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Speaker 1: being in South l A or whatever, you know, crunch
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Speaker 1: your area. You know, we don't go over there at night,
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Speaker 1: don't go over there, and even black people would even
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Speaker 1: question the community, and so you have to deal with that.
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Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna shift over to the reason I
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Speaker 1: wanted to set your character up a little bit more
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Speaker 1: because a lot of those those values you talk about,
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Speaker 1: those perceptions were built into Alano's character and that's what
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Speaker 1: I loved about it because he really played that character
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Speaker 1: through the form and that's what I loved the body
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Speaker 1: talk to us about your character, which is every Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: so Evan Fisher is um, I mean, completely the opposite Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, he has a tech background. He is uh
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Speaker 1: uh you know mom dad, very successful, sister, very successful,
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Speaker 1: uh for class background, went to Stanford. You know. It
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Speaker 1: feels like a guy who's done everything right, at least
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Speaker 1: what he thinks is right. You know. So he has
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Speaker 1: a he lives within a box. He's confined, and he's
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Speaker 1: uh been conditioned to look at the world from a
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Speaker 1: specific point of view. And um doesn't live you know,
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Speaker 1: isn't from South um l A. But he is from Torrance, California,
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Speaker 1: which is you know, a place that is that has culture,
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Speaker 1: but it is not you know, known for its people
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Speaker 1: of color. Let's just say like this and U you know,
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Speaker 1: he is again a person who when he bumps into gently,
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Speaker 1: is knocked off of his feet because he sees how
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Speaker 1: she is independent and she owns her you know, her space.
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Speaker 1: He wants, yes, but the library. Yes to the library,
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Speaker 1: and but he wants to do the same thing he
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Speaker 1: you know, he's he feels like he needs to be
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Speaker 1: broken out of his mindset. And so he looks at
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Speaker 1: this woman with all these notions of who she probably is,
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Speaker 1: and then she breaks that stereotype and she's you know,
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Speaker 1: well traveled and cultured, and she's educated, and she's she
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Speaker 1: just has all these other things. And so for him
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Speaker 1: it's like, Wow, she's yes, and you don't have to
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Speaker 1: look a certain way or presents yourself to the world
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Speaker 1: a certain way. You can be all of those things.
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Speaker 1: You can have the culture and the class and h
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Speaker 1: and also still be from West Adams and you know,
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Speaker 1: and and breaking uh those those notions that we have
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Speaker 1: that we look at each other like. So I think
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Speaker 1: that for him, he is um excited to meet someone
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Speaker 1: like her who is challenging the way that he sees
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Speaker 1: the world and sees people. Right, you know, it's it's
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Speaker 1: really let's let's go back to the beginning. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: go to break for a minute. The in a minute here,
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Speaker 1: but I want to explain to everybody. Show opens up
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Speaker 1: where they pretty centual scene between this and played out
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Speaker 1: separately by the two league characters, and then it's involved sex.
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Speaker 1: But but that I think that was important to set
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Speaker 1: it up because let you know, where their life was
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Speaker 1: at that point. It wasn't emotionally driven, it was just
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Speaker 1: physically driven these previous relationships and so and I thought
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Speaker 1: that was really interesting that that got set up because
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Speaker 1: it happened at the same time. And I love the way,
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Speaker 1: you know, we always saying we never know who's going
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Speaker 1: to meet and when we're supposed to meet them when
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Speaker 1: we meet. Because the thing about it, when when you
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Speaker 1: first saw her at the library, it was physicality that
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Speaker 1: attracted you to it because the guy pointed it out
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Speaker 1: to you. And it wasn't when you until you got
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Speaker 1: to talk to her, when you when you were trying
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Speaker 1: to get her to move away, that you realize, Okay,
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Speaker 1: she's more than just a physical presence. She's a she's funny,
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Speaker 1: she's quick with it. She didn't want to set your money.
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Speaker 1: You know, she stood her ground, and I think that
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Speaker 1: was important. And then earlier going to set those boundaries
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Speaker 1: that I can't be bought, my ideas can't be bought,
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Speaker 1: my my beleaf can't be bought nor and you have
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Speaker 1: to understand. And you respected her and backed down. So
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Speaker 1: when I asked you the questions, Osha, how important? How
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Speaker 1: important was that moment? I mean it was I guess
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Speaker 1: what they call in the script the inciting incident. So
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Speaker 1: it was very important. Is the thing that brought these
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Speaker 1: two together or that you know that's when they first
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Speaker 1: crossed that that was the cosmic connection, That was the moment,
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Speaker 1: So it was super important to Great. We'll be right
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Speaker 1: those values. The lead character uh played uh Evan played
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Speaker 1: by my Man Elono Miller. His character is divided by
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Speaker 1: he went to school, he did all the right things,
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Speaker 1: kind of type of life I left, you know, I
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Speaker 1: went to college got my have agree. I went to
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Speaker 1: work for IBM, and everybody told me that's what I
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Speaker 1: was supposed to do, and I didn't want to do
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Speaker 1: that in the end, And when I started to deviate
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Speaker 1: from that, then people started questioning my beliefs, my integrity.
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Speaker 1: UH started saying I was making dumb decisions. And that
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Speaker 1: played out in a very important scene for you with
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Speaker 1: your with your sister in the kitchen. Correct Evan, I
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Speaker 1: wanted to follow a different dream or different path, and
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Speaker 1: she saw that as a problem because she felt like
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Speaker 1: I should just stay where I'm at and and kind
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Speaker 1: of continue on that journey. When she said that money,
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Speaker 1: she said it by money though she brought that money.
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Speaker 1: He sees that money. I mean, he's about to be
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Speaker 1: you know, he just got the promotion to vice president
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Speaker 1: vice president. Yes, and then you know, but at the
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Speaker 1: same time, he doesn't that's not really his dream. His
18:46
Speaker 1: dream is to to have start his own company and
18:49
Speaker 1: venture out and start his app Ziberi that he has
18:53
Speaker 1: been talking about for years, and UH gently inspires him
18:56
Speaker 1: and encourages him to to actually take that leap. And
18:59
Speaker 1: that's where the let's go to your character. Gently gently character,
19:04
Speaker 1: you start out this show with an incredible actress, Cecily Tysons.
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Speaker 1: Come on, then I apologize Miss Tyson. Miss Tyson. Gotta
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Speaker 1: do it right, gotta do it right. And you know,
19:17
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you some when you you know, UM
19:20
Speaker 1: watching it. She's funny. She even shares a little dance
19:23
Speaker 1: with a man Evan character. You know, she's defiant, she's opinionated.
19:31
Speaker 1: You know, they just throw her some lives. She's acting,
19:35
Speaker 1: and she's acting and she's dressing up and you know,
19:39
Speaker 1: recently she was in the New Tyler period move by
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Speaker 1: Fall from Grace, which she doesn't look at that character
19:45
Speaker 1: like oh, because she plays beat up, homeless type looking
19:48
Speaker 1: lady and a Fall from Grace. Talk to about that
19:50
Speaker 1: relationship and what did you learn and working with a
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Speaker 1: young lady, you know, Miss Tyson like that it's rock
19:57
Speaker 1: and more. Well, the relationship between gen Le and um
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Speaker 1: Miss Luma, who which is Miss Tyson's character name, is
20:04
Speaker 1: just amazing and beautiful. Um Miss Luma is an actress,
20:09
Speaker 1: UH and singer of the stage and film. But she
20:14
Speaker 1: never really got the big break that um you know
20:17
Speaker 1: she deserves because of timing, essentially because of the time
20:21
Speaker 1: it was and black women weren't getting breaks like that,
20:24
Speaker 1: and especially chocolate black women. So she went on to
20:28
Speaker 1: be a teacher in l a unified school district. And
20:31
Speaker 1: then when her and Gently are together, Gently as her
20:34
Speaker 1: caregiver and like lives there with her, and she's almost
20:37
Speaker 1: like a mother figure for Gently because Gently doesn't have
20:39
Speaker 1: a mother, so it's a dope bymbiotic relationship. Um. And
20:44
Speaker 1: working with miss Tyson was absolutely amazing. She's so good,
20:48
Speaker 1: she's so beautiful, she's so present, um, and she's a
20:53
Speaker 1: brilliant actress and such a legend and a queen and
20:55
Speaker 1: so it was just really a loster class the day
20:58
Speaker 1: and just getting to be around and just ask her
21:00
Speaker 1: casual questions and like he would, she liked to eat
21:03
Speaker 1: and see what her process is in terms of approaching
21:06
Speaker 1: a scene. Like it was just cool to just be
21:08
Speaker 1: there and observed she's super sleep Um. So yeah, it
21:11
Speaker 1: was definitely a cool bucket list type moment. You know,
21:15
Speaker 1: it really was interesting watching you every time you was
21:19
Speaker 1: in the scene where it was almost felt like it
21:21
Speaker 1: was a genuine relationship. That's what I would just tell
21:24
Speaker 1: you both, you know, I'm just tell you both what
21:27
Speaker 1: what sold me so much on this series. Was the
21:30
Speaker 1: chemistry was the I felt it was a genuine relationship
21:35
Speaker 1: struggle between the two of you. I felt that you
21:38
Speaker 1: both of you truly came from different worlds and I
21:41
Speaker 1: understood the differences. And when I when I say that
21:45
Speaker 1: a lot of your character played. You played the character
21:47
Speaker 1: Evan on the on the serious chairish today when you
21:50
Speaker 1: first came by and met met Michael Beach. You really
21:56
Speaker 1: played that character correctly about you had your little tesla
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Speaker 1: parked out front. You was worried about it. Talk about
22:04
Speaker 1: walk through that little moment because I felt I was saying, brother,
22:10
Speaker 1: I've done that. I've done that when I went in
22:12
Speaker 1: the cringe show. So I know, right, I mean, you know,
22:17
Speaker 1: stereotypes are are are very powerful when they're created by media. Um,
22:21
Speaker 1: and so you know that's what he has an idea
22:24
Speaker 1: of walking into this situation where these brothers look like,
22:30
Speaker 1: you know, like they're about to you know what you're behind.
22:36
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think you know he's
22:39
Speaker 1: a very uh he wants to present this up a
22:42
Speaker 1: certain way and he isn't those things and he gets,
22:45
Speaker 1: you know, confronted with a fear of his So um,
22:49
Speaker 1: I thought in that state. You know, this is outside
22:52
Speaker 1: of his his circle, and he wasn't expecting that. I
22:55
Speaker 1: think he was expecting to to, you know, not bump
22:58
Speaker 1: into her, you know her uncle, and and uh and
23:02
Speaker 1: all his his friends and no, no, no, all of
23:05
Speaker 1: them awles. Now, let's go all the remember in the end,
23:07
Speaker 1: they were all awkwols all the let's gonna be let's
23:12
Speaker 1: say the terminology, right, you thought they were thugs. You
23:14
Speaker 1: know your character thought they were the Yeah, I think
23:16
Speaker 1: my character definitely thinks of him that way, like he
23:19
Speaker 1: doesn't think that he's in a safe environment. I'll just
23:21
Speaker 1: say that. Yeah, because you kept looking back at your car.
23:23
Speaker 1: And then Michael Beach Jackson, I got this. I got this.
23:26
Speaker 1: Don't worry about this. I got absolutely absolutely. I mean,
23:29
Speaker 1: you know he's believes in the stereotypes. You know, he
23:32
Speaker 1: does it. He didn't leave any room for them to
23:36
Speaker 1: show their character at all. And you know the interesting
23:39
Speaker 1: thing about it, and that's the great the beauty of
23:41
Speaker 1: how ever do wing they put together this series? She
23:44
Speaker 1: she peels back little pieces right there because because Gently's
23:48
Speaker 1: character played by its Rockemore, she noticed that and and
23:53
Speaker 1: and and it plays out in the scene later on
23:55
Speaker 1: when they get the Carson, you know, because the thing
23:58
Speaker 1: about it is that because of his character has always
24:02
Speaker 1: been successful. I'm talking about Evan's character, It's always been successful.
24:06
Speaker 1: You know. He feels that he can intellectually understand you
24:10
Speaker 1: can do it this way, and then you have Gently's
24:14
Speaker 1: character saying why should I do it that way? I
24:16
Speaker 1: have no opinion I have Why why do I have
24:18
Speaker 1: to go and buy a new refrigerator? Why I have
24:20
Speaker 1: to Why can't I use this? Well? What's wrong with this?
24:23
Speaker 1: So you see people having different values being played out
24:26
Speaker 1: before you and at times I thought you guys were
24:29
Speaker 1: improv Was there any improv going along with Are you
24:32
Speaker 1: guys just stuck straight to the script to the script?
24:34
Speaker 1: There was there was a little improved here and there. Yeah,
24:37
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean our vibe was very much, uh
24:41
Speaker 1: because the and I've known each other, there's a trust there.
24:44
Speaker 1: So we wanted to come to play and and um
24:47
Speaker 1: ever wanted the collaboration as well. So we we definitely
24:50
Speaker 1: did that. It's it's showed and I thought that it
24:52
Speaker 1: had to be there because there was certain lines and
24:54
Speaker 1: there's certain movements, and there was certain extra you know,
24:58
Speaker 1: some street language thrown and I go, I know they
25:00
Speaker 1: didn't write that line. I know that didn't which which
25:02
Speaker 1: I know is good because but but I know it
25:05
Speaker 1: was good. This is really really tight. This is really
25:08
Speaker 1: really clean, you know. And like I said, and I'm
25:10
Speaker 1: just talking in generic character, I want people to tune
25:12
Speaker 1: in and seed the show. I don't want to tell
25:14
Speaker 1: everybody the actual show because there was there at certain
25:17
Speaker 1: moments and I'm talking about then if I reveal, it
25:20
Speaker 1: would take away the path and you should have that
25:22
Speaker 1: moment that I had when I watched the series, when
25:24
Speaker 1: I went from episode one, the episode two, the episode three,
25:26
Speaker 1: the episode four, and next Tuesday coming up in the
25:29
Speaker 1: episode five. Remember there are only eight episodes in this anthology.
25:33
Speaker 1: And the guy Michael Beach, if you're not familiar with him,
25:36
Speaker 1: he recently starred in the Aquaman series and made over
25:39
Speaker 1: one point two billion dollars worldwide. And let's go to
25:42
Speaker 1: my favorite girl. I have many times as a writer
25:45
Speaker 1: and producer. I got an opportunity to work with her
25:47
Speaker 1: and she showed her colors as your Mom, Evan and
25:52
Speaker 1: Marie Johnson, and he was an honor to work with her.
25:55
Speaker 1: She's an amazing and again of course watching her like
26:00
Speaker 1: a living color, and I mean, she's just she's a beast.
26:04
Speaker 1: Beast brother, I would tell you something, man, this I
26:09
Speaker 1: hope I'm not gushing too much. Team Uh you know,
26:12
Speaker 1: you know when I say that, I mean that when
26:14
Speaker 1: you see something special, and I've seen I've been fortunate
26:16
Speaker 1: to see a lot of great work in movies and
26:19
Speaker 1: television and stage, and when you see a show like
26:22
Speaker 1: this that's played out and the chemistry between the two
26:25
Speaker 1: of you, and then the actors that I added to
26:28
Speaker 1: the cast, like I mentioned, you know miss Tyson, which
26:32
Speaker 1: is ms Cecily Tyson. I mentioned Michael Beach now I'm
26:34
Speaker 1: at Amory Johnson. And then you had my boy who
26:37
Speaker 1: I was I work with on The Parkers, Dorian Wilson,
26:41
Speaker 1: who played your dad. Yeah, Professor Ogleby, Is I like
26:46
Speaker 1: that's right, the Parkers, that's the Parkers. Yeah yeah, okay,
26:49
Speaker 1: So no, he's just I mean, look, everybody that uh
26:53
Speaker 1: ever brought in to play into they were just dedicated.
26:56
Speaker 1: They all had stakes, and they all stood understood what
26:59
Speaker 1: we were trying to do, the story that we were
27:01
Speaker 1: trying to tell, and they, um, they all stepped up
27:04
Speaker 1: to the plate and it was just an honor to
27:06
Speaker 1: work with all of them the ocean and I had
27:07
Speaker 1: a blast from Queen mo A, you know, Cecily Tyson, uh,
27:11
Speaker 1: to you know, to Dorian and to you know, to
27:14
Speaker 1: Michael Beach of course, who I called pop. Now we
27:17
Speaker 1: all have you know, we built relationships on the set,
27:19
Speaker 1: and we came to you know, to to really highlight
27:23
Speaker 1: you know, love and all the things that you said
27:25
Speaker 1: that were to bring this story to life. And you know,
27:29
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27:32
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27:34
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27:37
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27:40
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27:42
Speaker 1: gotta just keep our eyes open to the possibilities and
27:45
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27:47
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27:51
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27:53
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27:55
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27:57
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27:59
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Speaker 1: characters went together, they all communicated, they all carried their
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35:18
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35:37
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35:43
Speaker 1: Remember it was in the summer, and Martha, oh my god,
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35:53
Speaker 1: We back then in two thousand five when you you know,
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Speaker 1: Steve and I sat down with you guys, and you
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36:08
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36:17
Speaker 1: To my knowledge to this day, that is the only
36:22
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36:27
Speaker 1: we made all the decisions in that you know, that
36:30
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36:33
Speaker 1: But it was uh I was vice chairman the company,
36:36
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36:44
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36:47
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36:56
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36:59
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37:01
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37:06
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37:11
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37:13
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37:15
Speaker 1: And the first funny story is my wife and I
37:17
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37:19
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37:36
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Speaker 1: pair of short My wife is cute anyway, so it
37:42
Speaker 1: didn't matter what she had on. So she's driving a
37:45
Speaker 1: little town with a little convertible Mercedes and I'm driving,
37:49
Speaker 1: you know, my big f one fifty pickup troop. Well,
37:53
Speaker 1: then the bags come out and they had these odd
37:56
Speaker 1: shaped bags. I'm like, you know what what did these say? Well?
37:59
Speaker 1: Those are I had bad y'all? Naad happened and if
38:03
Speaker 1: you're do it gonna blow away? Well from there, um,
38:11
Speaker 1: you know, eight men sat down in the room and decided,
38:14
Speaker 1: you know, we generally liked and respected each other, and
38:17
Speaker 1: every years we've heard because you know, since you know
38:20
Speaker 1: success of the program, um, you know, most comedians side
38:24
Speaker 1: they want to go and do that too. What we
38:27
Speaker 1: knew Steve Harvey had already been a professional morning drive
38:33
Speaker 1: announcer in the two next largest markets in the country,
38:36
Speaker 1: Chicago and Los Angeles for eight years, had all the
38:40
Speaker 1: experience doing the announcing, and just happened to be one
38:43
Speaker 1: of the funniest men on the planet right. And I
38:46
Speaker 1: think a lot of folks don't know. Cru Shan, you
38:49
Speaker 1: too have a history and stand up and we like
38:53
Speaker 1: to laugh. So being around a couple of brothers like
38:54
Speaker 1: you guys who might to tell jokes was just amazing,
38:58
Speaker 1: you know, and help and help cement to deal. Well,
39:00
Speaker 1: you know, it was great. I always remember that that
39:02
Speaker 1: that number we put out in the pippy sudden he
39:05
Speaker 1: fell out and I said, wait, wait, wait, here's who
39:10
Speaker 1: we can do. And I said, Steve, when come up
39:15
Speaker 1: with half the dog and with another problem, we can
39:20
Speaker 1: do this bonus thing. Well, I've got this idea on
39:23
Speaker 1: how to get stations to pay rights fees to do
39:25
Speaker 1: this instead of just giving us advertise and time to
39:28
Speaker 1: go out and sell, which was the first time the
39:32
Speaker 1: model had ever been used. Absolutely, absolutely, And I said,
39:35
Speaker 1: I happened to know two guys at two radio networks
39:38
Speaker 1: who would love to partner with us and distribute you know,
39:42
Speaker 1: this steal. Once we put it all together and it
39:44
Speaker 1: all started up there that and by the way, you know,
39:48
Speaker 1: broadcast on the show from New York, where you're in
39:52
Speaker 1: the publishing center of the world, you're in the television
39:54
Speaker 1: center of the world. You're in the fashion center of
39:56
Speaker 1: the world. Imagine Steve, what you can do us being there.
40:00
Speaker 1: You've got books, you got movies, you've got fashions. You
40:03
Speaker 1: need to open a comedy club. And at that time,
40:06
Speaker 1: you guys are into health food absolutely, except for you're
40:09
Speaker 1: trying to convince me. We have lunch at Mica that
40:11
Speaker 1: day health food absolutely absolutely absolutely. In the restaurant still
40:17
Speaker 1: talk about that. The man came over said, well, kids,
40:20
Speaker 1: the desserts we like to have today. Rashawn says, remember
40:23
Speaker 1: all of them. Thank you. I'm not not no, I'm
40:28
Speaker 1: not the grand with all these tibles disserts. I'm like,
40:31
Speaker 1: how does he stay so and tight eating like that?
40:36
Speaker 1: But you know what, Skip, I wanted people to understand that,
40:39
Speaker 1: you know, when you see me, you especially when we
40:42
Speaker 1: see Steve. He's an international star. Now you know that
40:45
Speaker 1: that meeting, like you said, the African American man sitting
40:48
Speaker 1: in the room negotiating, you know, and figuring it out,
40:51
Speaker 1: and and and then putting us on the station, a
40:54
Speaker 1: flagship station, WBLS, one of seven point five. That's still
40:58
Speaker 1: little numbers because that's station right there. Man. We were
41:01
Speaker 1: there for two years because that was part of the deal.
41:03
Speaker 1: We had to stay up there for two years and
41:06
Speaker 1: established ourselves in the New York market before we moved
41:09
Speaker 1: down to Atlanta, Georgia. And in doing so, it really
41:13
Speaker 1: it really played out to our advantage because of the
41:15
Speaker 1: fact that Wendy Williams was in the afternoon. So here's
41:18
Speaker 1: the station that has Steve Harve in the morning, Wendy
41:21
Speaker 1: Williams in the afternoon. Can you imagine what was walking
41:25
Speaker 1: through those doors. It was just it was just an
41:27
Speaker 1: amazing amount of star power, amazing amount of energy, and
41:32
Speaker 1: amazing amount of competition because and access and and the
41:35
Speaker 1: money was the money was beyond ridiculous. It was beyond
41:38
Speaker 1: all of our wildest dreams. But you know, I don't
41:41
Speaker 1: want people to think that that was easy because it
41:43
Speaker 1: was hard to get to that point. Absolutely, it was
41:46
Speaker 1: hard for the two of you to get to the
41:47
Speaker 1: pinnacle of career already before we got to sit down
41:50
Speaker 1: and talk. We feel the same Charlie, Peppi and I
41:54
Speaker 1: at that one time in history, we had between the
41:58
Speaker 1: three of us more manna from an experienced in any
42:01
Speaker 1: of the racial group in the entire country at the time.
42:04
Speaker 1: I think we're like the number twenty one or twenty
42:06
Speaker 1: second largest. One other part, I think, you know, important
42:11
Speaker 1: for folks, you know, not to forget. Was it everybody
42:16
Speaker 1: showed up earlier or on time and did what they
42:19
Speaker 1: can do. Well. You know, nobody ever looked over their shoulder.
42:22
Speaker 1: Everybody you know, you guys with you all with the
42:26
Speaker 1: best group of people I've ever worked with in my career,
42:29
Speaker 1: and I'm talking forty eight years. We know something Skip
42:33
Speaker 1: when I look at uh one thing about it, you know,
42:35
Speaker 1: because Skip, way back then he loved the fish. You know,
42:37
Speaker 1: He's always tell Steve and me, what's your come fishing?
42:42
Speaker 1: Was we're looking to go fishing. I don't think I'm
42:44
Speaker 1: gonna go fishing, but but he I'm just talking to
42:48
Speaker 1: someone because I'm about to transition to the book. I'm
42:50
Speaker 1: just talking about a guy who all wrong for two
42:53
Speaker 1: thousand five. Way back there, he was always talking, I'm
42:55
Speaker 1: going down in the Bahama, going down that fishing. You
42:57
Speaker 1: guys gonna come with me, gonna fishing. He shows us
42:59
Speaker 1: the picture of the boat, and then he show us
43:00
Speaker 1: the history of all these other previous fishing trips, just
43:03
Speaker 1: to assure us that this is what he did. That
43:06
Speaker 1: don't when you go out there, you go catch some fish,
43:08
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna go out there with a novice.
43:10
Speaker 1: This was skip. He laid it out so so so.
43:12
Speaker 1: Fishing and water has always been part of his life.
43:16
Speaker 1: He looks like a fisherman. If you see him, you go, yeah, yeah,
43:19
Speaker 1: I could believe him. He could believe he could have
43:21
Speaker 1: been that captain and Jawls and he could have been
43:23
Speaker 1: that guy. He could have been he could have been
43:24
Speaker 1: that guy in Jawls And so so when I when
43:27
Speaker 1: I see this book, you know, you know it's about willing.
43:30
Speaker 1: And we all know the important role at willing played
43:33
Speaker 1: in in our industry. And you and you and you,
43:36
Speaker 1: and you've written a comprehensive account over fifty sailors of
43:39
Speaker 1: color who rose to captain Captain America's welling ships. Now
43:44
Speaker 1: I talked to us about because I'm gonna tell you something, everybody,
43:47
Speaker 1: i've read this book, the detail and the amount of
43:50
Speaker 1: research that you've done on this book, Skip is phenomenal
43:55
Speaker 1: as well as fascinating. Well, well, thank you how tight
43:59
Speaker 1: Lotuin wrapped that. But you know, being being blessed, you know,
44:04
Speaker 1: genetically and and being able to have a summer home
44:06
Speaker 1: and growing up on Marths Viney during the summers. Ben
44:09
Speaker 1: it happens to be one of the three whaling centers
44:11
Speaker 1: of the whole wide world. Along the way when I
44:14
Speaker 1: decided I wanted to be a writer. After broadcasting UM,
44:18
Speaker 1: I was asked to write an article from Martha's Vineyard
44:20
Speaker 1: magazine about William A. Martin, who was what they thought
44:24
Speaker 1: was the black captain here in Martha's Venue. Well, I
44:27
Speaker 1: started doing research. One thing led to another. One day
44:31
Speaker 1: I said, how the hell did this guy get to
44:33
Speaker 1: be a captain? This isn't like well, because I do
44:39
Speaker 1: I am a D H D sin have a little
44:41
Speaker 1: bit to o C D one thing, let do another.
44:44
Speaker 1: Before I knew it, I bought and read over a
44:47
Speaker 1: hundred books on whale. We're pretty much all the books
44:49
Speaker 1: are on whaling. Started taking notes and the book came
44:52
Speaker 1: out of it um and I was astounded to find
44:56
Speaker 1: these guys. And it's that the actual number is fifty
44:59
Speaker 1: two that I can confirm. There's another douzin. I'm not
45:01
Speaker 1: sure if they were black or I'm not sure if
45:03
Speaker 1: they were captain. Wasn't able to prove it because it's
45:04
Speaker 1: so long ago. But half these men were wailing captains
45:09
Speaker 1: before the Civil War, you know. So this is a
45:14
Speaker 1: one of those hidden figures stories. And as I used
45:16
Speaker 1: that expression hidden figures, I probably should give a shout
45:19
Speaker 1: out to Mrs Johnson. Catherine Johnson, I understand, died today
45:22
Speaker 1: the hundred years a hundred one years old. She was
45:25
Speaker 1: a lady in in the movie Hidden Figures about NASA
45:30
Speaker 1: and the Christie is the only one who's still alive, right,
45:36
Speaker 1: hued role correct in the movie, right, I think so?
45:41
Speaker 1: But but but I remember seeing that movie kind of
45:46
Speaker 1: driving away from it, and I was like, damn, that
45:49
Speaker 1: happened while we were live. We were how do we
45:52
Speaker 1: not know that story? All right? And this is the
45:55
Speaker 1: same story you know you're talking about. You know, these
45:58
Speaker 1: guys altogether brought back was seventy million dollars worth of
46:01
Speaker 1: whale products, you know, and where it wasn't about food,
46:05
Speaker 1: it was about oil. This area than Sneck of the
46:07
Speaker 1: Woods rhyme was pretty much the Middle East, Natuck and
46:10
Speaker 1: New better monthes Vinyon. That was the oil. This is
46:13
Speaker 1: the oil that lit our homes, that heated our homes,
46:16
Speaker 1: eventually lit our streets and lubricatives the American railroads and
46:21
Speaker 1: began the Industrial Revolution. And I've never heard a mention,
46:26
Speaker 1: you know if these guys before, so I was astounded.
46:28
Speaker 1: And that's to sent you what the book is about,
46:31
Speaker 1: you know, And it was. It was such a difficult activity.
46:37
Speaker 1: About a hundred seventy five thousand people did it over
46:39
Speaker 1: the course of its life, spanned two hundred forty some years.
46:43
Speaker 1: Ninety sent those people only went once because it was
46:46
Speaker 1: so difficult. Black guys didn't have any place else to go.
46:52
Speaker 1: Could I want to come back in the next break
46:54
Speaker 1: and get more detailed, because I want to know. I
46:56
Speaker 1: would just tell everybody about this movie, that this telp
47:00
Speaker 1: everybody about this book, the detail, the research. Um, wow,
47:05
Speaker 1: that's all I have to say. Skip feeling be right
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47:47
Speaker 1: You're listening to money Making Conversations. I'm interviewing our Skip
47:50
Speaker 1: family his new book Welling Captains of Color, America's first
47:54
Speaker 1: merrit occracy. Um Skip tell us about we're talking about
47:59
Speaker 1: the research. What exactly is a whalie master? Let's talk
48:01
Speaker 1: about that. What exactly I want to I want to
48:03
Speaker 1: start breaking down the word master and captain are used interchangeably.
48:08
Speaker 1: Master really, though, is a better word, because that man
48:12
Speaker 1: in charge of a whale ship was omnipotent. Okay, you know,
48:16
Speaker 1: when you're on a trip that average three to four years,
48:20
Speaker 1: and they were you couldn't have problems aboard ship. Where
48:30
Speaker 1: we're gonna go, when we're gonna go, telling me that. Okay. Now,
48:34
Speaker 1: when a whaling ship went out, it didn't just go
48:36
Speaker 1: out and come right back. No, no, no, no. They
48:41
Speaker 1: went out and sailed the world. There's a there's a beautiful,
48:45
Speaker 1: beautiful decorating map in the new Bedford Whaling Museum, and
48:49
Speaker 1: it has an uncountable number of dots on it all
48:52
Speaker 1: over the world, red dots and blue dots, you know,
48:55
Speaker 1: standing for the type of whale, of regular whale, right
48:58
Speaker 1: whale they called it, or sperm. You can't count them. Okay,
49:03
Speaker 1: you know these were the men's These whaling captains in
49:06
Speaker 1: chasing wales literally mapped our oceans as identified all of
49:10
Speaker 1: the islands and all of the oceans around the world.
49:13
Speaker 1: That's how long these trips took. The longest trip was
49:16
Speaker 1: a little over eleven years. Okay, you know, as the
49:20
Speaker 1: captains changed several times, the crew the same show times,
49:23
Speaker 1: but the boat from place that left it came back
49:25
Speaker 1: to eleven years. Okay, okay, you know all this. Now
49:30
Speaker 1: you Rashan, read the book. Now I'm hearing you talk
49:33
Speaker 1: very comfortably about this, but listeners are hearing this for
49:36
Speaker 1: the first time. So a boat left the dock, let's
49:39
Speaker 1: say New Effort of New Bedford. Okay, masters did that
49:43
Speaker 1: comeback for almost eleven years? Yes? Okay, well, okay, how
49:49
Speaker 1: did they get paid? When did they drop off the
49:52
Speaker 1: r all? What was going on? All? Right? The boat
49:56
Speaker 1: would leave most of the time. They'd leave New Bedford
49:59
Speaker 1: up here in New England. They head over towards Cape Birdie,
50:02
Speaker 1: which is off the coast of Africa. Along the way,
50:05
Speaker 1: they would hunt for whales. Once they found a whale,
50:09
Speaker 1: they would release. They would drop three or four smaller boats.
50:13
Speaker 1: The men would row out. Six men would row over
50:16
Speaker 1: to that whale. They got close enough, Holo, you got
50:20
Speaker 1: off a big boat, got in a little bit of
50:23
Speaker 1: boat and rowed to the big whale. That's right. And
50:27
Speaker 1: then the big boat wasn't that big. The big boat
50:29
Speaker 1: was like at long most of them that's not very big.
50:34
Speaker 1: That's about six cars lined up leant. Okay, So they
50:40
Speaker 1: get off the little bitty boat. You did. These little rowboats,
50:45
Speaker 1: your little roadboats, and they chase the animals that are
50:47
Speaker 1: a hundred feet you know, or here here's here's here's
50:52
Speaker 1: a here's a football reference for you. Okay, the smallest
50:56
Speaker 1: whale a dwarf sperm whales about three hounds, not the
51:01
Speaker 1: size of a defensive tackle. Right right, right, right, right right,
51:04
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand pound blue whale is about the size
51:07
Speaker 1: of the entire NFL. So these men would row a
51:13
Speaker 1: boat over to one of these huge animals, you know,
51:17
Speaker 1: eighty two, a hundred pounds, it's probably about the size.
51:21
Speaker 1: They were rolling to it and stabbing and keep sticking
51:25
Speaker 1: it and stabbing it until it died. Meanwhile, let's pulling
51:29
Speaker 1: them all over so they might wind up. By time
51:31
Speaker 1: the whale rolls over and dark, they're four miles away
51:34
Speaker 1: from the big boat. Then they have to tow that
51:36
Speaker 1: whale back to the boat, cut up into little tiny pieces,
51:40
Speaker 1: put it in the fireplaces, melted down the oil on board.
51:43
Speaker 1: They had the wood in the stage, they put the house.
51:47
Speaker 1: Everybody in the studio going what what what see see?
51:54
Speaker 1: You've done all this research that you see. We gotta
52:00
Speaker 1: we gotta take all this in that okay whale because
52:02
Speaker 1: I went well watching okay and the weald came close
52:05
Speaker 1: to my boat. I told everybody, turn around, I'm out.
52:08
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was gonna be like this. Look
52:10
Speaker 1: at everybody, you know, because I was on there with
52:12
Speaker 1: some other tourist people. They were mad at me. I said, hey, hey,
52:15
Speaker 1: y'all augustand but they didn't tell me that was this
52:18
Speaker 1: big On TV they looked small, this little boat. I'm
52:21
Speaker 1: an next two after I had all kind of ideas
52:23
Speaker 1: in my head, I saw how close that whale came
52:25
Speaker 1: to my boat. Now these people out there going out
52:28
Speaker 1: there making a whale. That made me nervous. There was
52:30
Speaker 1: a happy whale. That was a happy whale I was
52:31
Speaker 1: running away from. They were making a whale that big,
52:34
Speaker 1: angry and you ain't suck him. That's right, And chaces
52:40
Speaker 1: are the wheal you saw. It was the right whale.
52:41
Speaker 1: So it didn't have teeth like a sperm whale. That
52:45
Speaker 1: was that was a highly valuable one. Their oil was
52:47
Speaker 1: the best because it didn't make smoke when it burned.
52:50
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so they made candles out of it first.
52:53
Speaker 1: That's how it all started. Okay, okay, okay. And by
52:57
Speaker 1: the way, you know, thankfully, um we're watching is now
53:01
Speaker 1: a bigger business than well killing ever was right, right, right,
53:05
Speaker 1: But let's get back to the whale killing, because that's
53:07
Speaker 1: what this book is all about, these these African American men.
53:10
Speaker 1: But let me I could, let me correct this men
53:13
Speaker 1: of color because you told in the book you said
53:15
Speaker 1: this is not about African American men, because yeah, that
53:19
Speaker 1: was when things are struck me immed least. It's like,
53:21
Speaker 1: you know, you know, a slave is not American, or
53:24
Speaker 1: Withsinding is not American, Kate Brading is not American. But
53:27
Speaker 1: they're all black, right, Okay, you can't call them are
53:30
Speaker 1: black because a lot of them are Native Americans, you know,
53:33
Speaker 1: who were mixed you know what our people, you know,
53:36
Speaker 1: and may as well be called black because what they
53:39
Speaker 1: called you know, um, you know, one drop makes you pure, right,
53:43
Speaker 1: But you know, the basic one of the basis of
53:45
Speaker 1: slavery and making their own slaves. You know that that's
53:48
Speaker 1: in the book. But as the subjects right now, but
53:51
Speaker 1: that's part of it, that's part of why you wrote this.
53:52
Speaker 1: Because of the fact that here are men of color
53:55
Speaker 1: who were leading non colored men on a boat they
54:00
Speaker 1: could flog legally flog a white man on the whale
54:04
Speaker 1: ship who they couldn't look in the eye in the
54:06
Speaker 1: streets of South Carolina, Okay, and and and on and on.
54:15
Speaker 1: But the point is, let me you know, it wasn't
54:19
Speaker 1: so difficult killing the whale captain will cutting the whale up.
54:23
Speaker 1: But life on the whale ship was awful. It was horrid.
54:26
Speaker 1: Your space was roughly the size of the back seat
54:28
Speaker 1: of an suv. For three or four years. People ask
54:34
Speaker 1: people ask me, you know what, how did black man
54:36
Speaker 1: become the captain? You know who? The answers when the
54:40
Speaker 1: crew looked around and you're twelve hundred miles off shore
54:42
Speaker 1: and the captain just dive, fell sicker, became incapacitated. You
54:46
Speaker 1: don't care who it is. You and we had the
54:51
Speaker 1: experience of all those trips we had taken. We learned
54:53
Speaker 1: how to do it right. But the beauty of also
54:55
Speaker 1: your storytelling this that you know this is about be rewarded.
54:59
Speaker 1: That's why your the title of your book comes from
55:02
Speaker 1: being rewarded for your talent, being rewarded for your skill,
55:06
Speaker 1: and not being held back based on the color of
55:08
Speaker 1: your skin. That's where the title comes from. Correct, These
55:11
Speaker 1: men lived. Martin Luther King set your dream right right right,
55:15
Speaker 1: because I was reading in your book you says that
55:17
Speaker 1: the well oil was peaked at two dollars and fifty
55:21
Speaker 1: five cents per gallon. Yeah, back then, and there's there's
55:26
Speaker 1: probably thirties, and there's about thirty five gallons per barrel,
55:30
Speaker 1: and a good and a good trip you're coming back
55:32
Speaker 1: with barrels, so it adds up fairly quickly. So basically
55:38
Speaker 1: that was just liquid gold back then, just liquid will
55:43
Speaker 1: Willing as a as a business enterprise was almost identically
55:48
Speaker 1: the model of venture capital today or what we call
55:50
Speaker 1: hedge funds and private equity funds. That was what that
55:54
Speaker 1: was how wailing went when the captain and the crew
55:56
Speaker 1: was incentivized, you know, based upon their performance. When you
56:00
Speaker 1: had a group of people all invested into the ventor,
56:04
Speaker 1: so a fifteen thousand nine whaling trips, each one was
56:08
Speaker 1: a separate business enterprise, and nobody cared who the captain
56:14
Speaker 1: was if he didn't bring the whale ship home with
56:17
Speaker 1: a full hall, as they used to say. And that's
56:20
Speaker 1: really really important now in this book, it was one
56:23
Speaker 1: captain in particular that you are inspired you to write
56:26
Speaker 1: this book. You mentioned his name, William Martin when you
56:31
Speaker 1: started writing about him. Didn't you discovered everything else? Correct? Yes, yeah,
56:37
Speaker 1: the but Matrenior magazine had done a special issue one
56:42
Speaker 1: time about the whaleship Charles W. Morgan. It's the last
56:45
Speaker 1: surviving whale ship was completely restored. They took it from Mystic,
56:50
Speaker 1: Connecticut and brought it to New Bedry, brought up to
56:52
Speaker 1: Martins Vineyard, Boston, a couple of other places because and
56:55
Speaker 1: when it came here to Marzavina, we wanted to the magazine,
56:58
Speaker 1: you know, you know, really devote attention to it since
57:02
Speaker 1: you know, seven or so of its captors were from
57:04
Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard. One of them did not happen to be
57:07
Speaker 1: Captain Martin. But that's why they asked me to write
57:09
Speaker 1: this piece about him, you know, because you know it's
57:12
Speaker 1: important to black well, you know, when they're doing I found,
57:14
Speaker 1: as it turns out, there were five black captains are
57:17
Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard guys, three that sailed from here, you know,
57:22
Speaker 1: which was which was astounding because no one knew this.
57:26
Speaker 1: I will venture to say the thirty five to forty
57:31
Speaker 1: of these fifty two people, most people in the whaling
57:34
Speaker 1: industry and researchers have not heard their names or would
57:38
Speaker 1: not have associated them with being black, which is which
57:42
Speaker 1: is a founding and that's that's you know that that's
57:45
Speaker 1: kind of exciting. But you know, if I got a
57:46
Speaker 1: little bit of that kind of nerd historian in me too. Well,
57:49
Speaker 1: the thing about you mentioned that about Martin in the
57:52
Speaker 1: book he was talking about you know, very rarely do
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Speaker 1: they mention his color in the book at all. That's
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Speaker 1: true of most captains. And in the logs, the captain
58:01
Speaker 1: writes the lock, so he didn't have to put that
58:03
Speaker 1: information in there. It's when the when the crew gets
58:07
Speaker 1: on board the ship. You know, they had a man,
58:10
Speaker 1: the customs officer, and he would jot down the name,
58:13
Speaker 1: the heighten, the you know, how the people looked the
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Speaker 1: race and things like that, you know, on a piece
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Speaker 1: of paper, and it would be attendant with the log
58:20
Speaker 1: with the owners. They know who was on the boat,
58:22
Speaker 1: and they could compare it with you know, when they
58:23
Speaker 1: came back. But if it wasn't for what that was
58:26
Speaker 1: called the um um semens protection papers, I would not
58:31
Speaker 1: have been able to find any of this. Now today
58:34
Speaker 1: you can't even keep that information about the people, which
58:38
Speaker 1: is you know, and and they started the seams protection
58:41
Speaker 1: papers dating back to the Revolutionary War when the British,
58:45
Speaker 1: you know, would impress our people, and we didn't really
58:48
Speaker 1: have a sailing fleet until the War of eighteen twelve,
58:51
Speaker 1: when they continued to impress our people and the ship
58:54
Speaker 1: the seamens protection papers function like a passport. This is
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Speaker 1: who you are and where you're from. And then the
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Speaker 1: story is astounding. And what I tried to do was
59:05
Speaker 1: it was to right it, you know, you know, in
59:08
Speaker 1: a way that it would be easy to read, easy
59:11
Speaker 1: to comprehend without you know, all the facts and you
59:14
Speaker 1: and you accomplished it hard and so bad. I highlighted
59:18
Speaker 1: how hard it was, right, which is the reason we
59:21
Speaker 1: went and other people didn't. But the you know, the
59:25
Speaker 1: young sixteen year old, you know, blue eye, blonde haired
59:28
Speaker 1: kids from the town of Agatime, you know, thinking I'm
59:31
Speaker 1: going to go out and make my fortune on this
59:32
Speaker 1: whale boat. You know, by time he had gone two
59:35
Speaker 1: booze off shore about sixteen miles, he spent the last
59:39
Speaker 1: week throwing up, I want to go home, right right,
59:43
Speaker 1: you know I I we was talking about earlier. I
59:45
Speaker 1: want you. I want you because I was so astounded
59:47
Speaker 1: by you talking about how will as a captured walk
59:50
Speaker 1: us through that step again, because I want to make
59:52
Speaker 1: sure my audience here is the whole process without me interrupting.
59:56
Speaker 1: They spot a whale, right well here, here's here's the
1:00:00
Speaker 1: are sequence. You you hear, you know, it's it's dead
1:00:04
Speaker 1: quiet boats sailing, you know, in the breeze. Somebody's and
1:00:07
Speaker 1: man says the blows and everybody jumps up and the
1:00:13
Speaker 1: adrenaline starts pumping. They go to those three whale boats.
1:00:17
Speaker 1: They lower those boats into the water, six guys in
1:00:20
Speaker 1: each boat. They roll as fast as they can towards
1:00:23
Speaker 1: where the guys pointing to see that whale. They wait
1:00:26
Speaker 1: until they see the spout. They get closer and closer
1:00:29
Speaker 1: and closer. Everybody's quiet. One guy, the harpooner, you know,
1:00:33
Speaker 1: gets up in front of the boat and he throws
1:00:36
Speaker 1: out harpoon into the whale. The record, by the way,
1:00:40
Speaker 1: which I have in the book, is about forty ft.
1:00:43
Speaker 1: In other words, every other whale what you were closer
1:00:46
Speaker 1: to it in a thirty ft boat. So when your
1:00:49
Speaker 1: friend says I got a boat, his boat, probably thirty
1:00:51
Speaker 1: ft are bigger. That's what these six guys are using
1:00:55
Speaker 1: to row after these after these whales. They stavastavastav with
1:01:00
Speaker 1: sperm whale. You know, all of a sudden, when it
1:01:03
Speaker 1: spouts red, they know the fish is gonna die. Then
1:01:07
Speaker 1: it rolls over, which is called the flurry. They tie
1:01:09
Speaker 1: ropes to it, and they row that boat and tow
1:01:13
Speaker 1: that big heavy thing back. So if there were times
1:01:16
Speaker 1: if you're four miles away from the main boat, okay,
1:01:20
Speaker 1: you may be wrong the most of the night, not
1:01:22
Speaker 1: missing a beat. You get back up to the boat.
1:01:24
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1:01:28
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1:01:31
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1:01:34
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Speaker 1: The smells are awful. People have said to me, you know, well,
1:01:44
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1:01:47
Speaker 1: like what are some of the worst things about? I said, well,
1:01:50
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1:01:53
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1:01:57
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1:02:00
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1:02:12
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1:02:16
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1:02:19
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1:02:25
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Speaker 1: guest the founder, CEO and owner of Keiko Stretch Studios
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Speaker 1: in the US. She also has been named one of
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Speaker 1: and More, Launch and twenty eleven. The Kicker Stretched Studios
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Speaker 1: franchise includes eleven locations in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas,
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Speaker 1: and Nevada. Please welcome to money making Conversations, Kika Wise,
1:05:36
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Well, I had to get it
1:05:38
Speaker 1: all out, you know, I had to get it all Yes,
1:05:42
Speaker 1: that was awesome. Well, you know, you're awesome person because
1:05:45
Speaker 1: he was able to. Uh. I always tell people that
1:05:48
Speaker 1: we hear the worst throwing out there. A lot of
1:05:50
Speaker 1: passion gifts. Follow your dreams. You know, before you found
1:05:55
Speaker 1: this particular dream, you was headed in a different direction
1:05:57
Speaker 1: with your career, correct abolutely. So I actually was a
1:06:04
Speaker 1: professional dancer and actress, and so I performed and acted
1:06:09
Speaker 1: in the industry for a while. And then um, I
1:06:13
Speaker 1: was about to have his son. I was pregnant with
1:06:16
Speaker 1: his son, and so at that moment, I said, you know,
1:06:18
Speaker 1: I really need to find something that's been a little
1:06:21
Speaker 1: bit more stable, because I want to offer him things
1:06:24
Speaker 1: that I couldn't do when I was a child. So
1:06:27
Speaker 1: that's when I decided that I start a business or
1:06:30
Speaker 1: go back to school. And so people said, don't start
1:06:34
Speaker 1: a business. Most businesses fell blah blah, blah, you know
1:06:37
Speaker 1: that statistics in the first three years. Those haters are
1:06:40
Speaker 1: out there right, they tell you, I don't understand your dream,
1:06:44
Speaker 1: but don't start it. I don't know what you dream,
1:06:46
Speaker 1: I don't understand the work or your plan, but don't
1:06:49
Speaker 1: start it exactly, So I started it, um and yeah,
1:06:56
Speaker 1: history started. Then let me do you know you you
1:07:00
Speaker 1: say that I started it? What did you started? Well,
1:07:03
Speaker 1: let's talk about that that first idea, you know, because
1:07:06
Speaker 1: you know, I remember when I started doing stand up.
1:07:08
Speaker 1: I remember my first comedy club. It wasn't a place
1:07:11
Speaker 1: where I originally started it, but it was a starting
1:07:13
Speaker 1: point and eventually enabled me to go where I really became.
1:07:17
Speaker 1: Now you are, you know level franchises around the country.
1:07:20
Speaker 1: Where did the first studio start? So I opened the
1:07:26
Speaker 1: first studio in Montclair, New Jersey, on top of a CBS.
1:07:31
Speaker 1: It's a pharmacy. So I shared the room with a
1:07:34
Speaker 1: real estate agent. So I had like half of a
1:07:38
Speaker 1: room the side of a closet, and I had a
1:07:40
Speaker 1: mat and I had a ball, And so I decided,
1:07:43
Speaker 1: let me start stretching people the way. You know I
1:07:46
Speaker 1: love to stretch as a dancer. So I created a
1:07:49
Speaker 1: routine that was based on my own routine, but I
1:07:52
Speaker 1: replaced gravity with the stretch coach, which is the person
1:07:56
Speaker 1: that helps the person stretch. So I started with one
1:07:58
Speaker 1: client on he bought his first package. I was so excited,
1:08:03
Speaker 1: like this man actually gave me two hundred dollars for
1:08:07
Speaker 1: two This is a great idea. So that gave me
1:08:10
Speaker 1: more power to move forward. So you one person, one person,
1:08:16
Speaker 1: you saw a future, you saw an opportunity, you saw
1:08:18
Speaker 1: a vision, you saw Wow, I could do this. Yes,
1:08:25
Speaker 1: people said you're either onto something or you're crazy. But
1:08:29
Speaker 1: the motivating the motivating factor at the time was my
1:08:32
Speaker 1: son and to provide for him to also be a
1:08:36
Speaker 1: part of his life. Like fast forward to today, I
1:08:39
Speaker 1: still drop my son off at school and I picked
1:08:42
Speaker 1: come up on most days, so that was very important
1:08:44
Speaker 1: to me. So my wife was so big, like no
1:08:47
Speaker 1: matter what the hater said, I was like, I didn't listen.
1:08:50
Speaker 1: I just kept going because I knew I could do
1:08:52
Speaker 1: it on behalf of my son. So yeah, no, here's
1:08:55
Speaker 1: a great thing about what I'm talking to. Kika he's
1:08:59
Speaker 1: the found CEO and owner and U of Kika Stretch Studios,
1:09:03
Speaker 1: which is franchised and eleven locations around the country New Jersey,
1:09:08
Speaker 1: New York, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas, in Nevada, now, Kika, I
1:09:12
Speaker 1: live in Texas. I have a home in Houston, and
1:09:15
Speaker 1: I have a home in Atlanta, Georgia. We're in Texas
1:09:18
Speaker 1: and we're in Atlanta. Are you located? So we're in
1:09:21
Speaker 1: located in Dallas, Texas, um in the Highland Park area.
1:09:25
Speaker 1: And actually our Atlanta studio is in the heart of
1:09:29
Speaker 1: Buckhead and they just moved into a bigger location. So
1:09:32
Speaker 1: you would love it. You have to stop by. Okay,
1:09:35
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop by. Let me just tell you about
1:09:37
Speaker 1: you know, I always tell people when they come on
1:09:39
Speaker 1: my show when I when I have a personal experience,
1:09:41
Speaker 1: I always try to share just to validate why this
1:09:44
Speaker 1: interview is important, not only to meet to my people
1:09:47
Speaker 1: who listening to the show, or because of the fact
1:09:49
Speaker 1: that stretching change my life in a sense. So because
1:09:55
Speaker 1: I travel a lot and I did that, I did
1:09:57
Speaker 1: this system, you know, I walk walker by Holliday and
1:10:01
Speaker 1: I would do lightweight and all that stuff. But I
1:10:04
Speaker 1: was my core was failing me. Okay, And because I
1:10:07
Speaker 1: fly a lot. I remember last year I did a
1:10:08
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty one one way trips, which is like
1:10:13
Speaker 1: sixty one round trips in one year. And so no matter,
1:10:17
Speaker 1: I don't care if his first class C conferences, he
1:10:19
Speaker 1: didn't matter. He still was at that little angle, okay,
1:10:22
Speaker 1: and so and so when I when I was and
1:10:24
Speaker 1: so so and my daughter it was fun to have
1:10:28
Speaker 1: my daughter. She was a former professional tennis player. And
1:10:31
Speaker 1: my wife would always tell it stretch, and I wouldn't.
1:10:33
Speaker 1: I wouldn't listen to it, whatever, whatever. And I was
1:10:36
Speaker 1: just going there and lift my little weights. Hey, I was.
1:10:38
Speaker 1: I thought I was looking fine. I was looking fine. Okay,
1:10:41
Speaker 1: it was working for me. It was working for me, okay,
1:10:43
Speaker 1: and then but it wasn't working for me. You know,
1:10:46
Speaker 1: my neck was still barred in my back, my my, my, my,
1:10:49
Speaker 1: My stride was getting shorter and shorter. I could tell.
1:10:52
Speaker 1: And when I wanted to walk, I had to make
1:10:54
Speaker 1: an effort to walk like I wanted to walk. And
1:10:58
Speaker 1: it wasn't until I started stretch, seene that it changed.
1:11:03
Speaker 1: It changed and and and and it wasn't like and
1:11:07
Speaker 1: so that's what I do now. And I want to
1:11:09
Speaker 1: tell you something, my my, I think my body looks
1:11:11
Speaker 1: better than it has ever loved. I have no love handles,
1:11:15
Speaker 1: you know, and and and my my core and my
1:11:18
Speaker 1: back issues. My my flexibility is amazing and my stride
1:11:23
Speaker 1: is comfortable. Now I don't have to make an effort,
1:11:25
Speaker 1: and I don't walk like an old person anymore. Exactly. Yeah.
1:11:30
Speaker 1: People have always slept, you know, stretching like, oh, it's
1:11:33
Speaker 1: not it's not cool, it's boring. So what I really
1:11:36
Speaker 1: tried to do is make it a unique experience so
1:11:39
Speaker 1: people would love to do it. And it's just so
1:11:42
Speaker 1: powerful for mentally, for your brain, for the blow flow
1:11:47
Speaker 1: of blood throughout your whole body, to prevent injuries, and
1:11:50
Speaker 1: just to reset your mind. Because people are so stressed
1:11:54
Speaker 1: out and they're just so tense. They think it's normal.
1:11:56
Speaker 1: But then when they come into our studio and they
1:11:58
Speaker 1: lie there for an hour and have someone struts them
1:12:01
Speaker 1: out there like I d this, you know, it really
1:12:09
Speaker 1: is amazing. I'm a very close friend. Uh he was.
1:12:13
Speaker 1: He was just diagnosed with first stage Parkinson, and we talked.
1:12:17
Speaker 1: We talked, and uh, he's fifty one and I told hey,
1:12:21
Speaker 1: and I told him mysel look, I said, start stretching.
1:12:26
Speaker 1: I should just start stretching. He called me a week
1:12:29
Speaker 1: later and said, man, I can't believe how better how
1:12:35
Speaker 1: I feel. It makes a huge difference. And I just
1:12:39
Speaker 1: got to say that I'm not saying this is a
1:12:41
Speaker 1: miracle drug. This is just taking your natural body and
1:12:45
Speaker 1: relaxing it and stretching it. And and that's why I
1:12:49
Speaker 1: feel that what you're doing is important. We all we
1:12:52
Speaker 1: have a lot of things out there. We have hot yoga,
1:12:55
Speaker 1: we got peloton, we got we got you know, pilate
1:13:00
Speaker 1: and all that. I'm a stretched man, Nakika, I'm your
1:13:03
Speaker 1: I'm your boy. Now you definite, I'm your boy. I'm coming.
1:13:08
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you know because I was so funny.
1:13:10
Speaker 1: I was. I was just three weeks ago. I was
1:13:13
Speaker 1: about to sign up for a parlateic class because I
1:13:15
Speaker 1: live in uh Alpharetta area. Buckhead is where actually where
1:13:19
Speaker 1: the studios is where I record my show, and so
1:13:22
Speaker 1: we also have we also have a location in finding.
1:13:25
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's you on point with me? Okay,
1:13:30
Speaker 1: me and you me and you're really good and so
1:13:33
Speaker 1: so I just I just can't wait. You open the
1:13:35
Speaker 1: location in d C. So I can tell my friend,
1:13:38
Speaker 1: so we can go there and let let let's never
1:13:40
Speaker 1: just explain to everybody what happens with the Kika method. Now,
1:13:43
Speaker 1: if you're dealing with a chy muscles, which especially around
1:13:46
Speaker 1: the neck, shoulders, and other core muscles, that's what we're
1:13:48
Speaker 1: talking about. The core muscles, which I don't have a
1:13:51
Speaker 1: problem with anymore, and the pain or stiffness enjoining muscles.
1:13:54
Speaker 1: That's what I was talking about. My stride. My stride
1:13:57
Speaker 1: was getting shorter. I thought I thought I was still
1:13:59
Speaker 1: being but I was just really making a lot more
1:14:02
Speaker 1: effort for a shorter distance, okay, and then muscle cramps
1:14:07
Speaker 1: and limited range of motion right there, right there, and
1:14:10
Speaker 1: let me you know, somebody just telling people who get
1:14:13
Speaker 1: over fifty okay, and that's me, okay. And so what
1:14:17
Speaker 1: happened sixty seventy and what happens is and this is
1:14:21
Speaker 1: where I discover. That's why I'm so excited about this
1:14:24
Speaker 1: interview with you. And we're about to get out of
1:14:25
Speaker 1: this break, and what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna I'm
1:14:27
Speaker 1: gonna go to the next break because you know, I'm
1:14:29
Speaker 1: enjoying myself. I hope you enjoying this interview because because
1:14:33
Speaker 1: the fact that you're changing people's lives and I want
1:14:35
Speaker 1: to motive, motivate people understand that that what what you
1:14:39
Speaker 1: what somebody told you was a bad idea that started
1:14:41
Speaker 1: with one person and two d dollar is going to
1:14:44
Speaker 1: be saving lives, are gonna be improving the quality of
1:14:47
Speaker 1: life for so many people. And and it's some common
1:14:51
Speaker 1: sense things that you see every day. You see athletes,
1:14:54
Speaker 1: professional athletes, football players before they played, they stretched. They
1:14:59
Speaker 1: show you stretch basketball players. If you go to a
1:15:02
Speaker 1: game prior to the game, go early basketball players. They're stretching.
1:15:06
Speaker 1: They're stretching. They're not stretching because they just like to stretch.
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1:19:02
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1:19:05
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Speaker 1: They are seeking you know, one on one attention. They
1:19:14
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1:19:36
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1:19:38
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1:19:43
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1:19:44
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1:19:46
Speaker 1: to bed when you want to and not complain because
1:19:49
Speaker 1: the physicality of that effort is key to whether you're
1:19:52
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1:19:55
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1:20:00
Speaker 1: So you would come in um, you would fill out
1:20:03
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1:20:06
Speaker 1: know everything you're experiencing in your body, if you have
1:20:10
Speaker 1: any injuries, if you have any pain, then we're gonna
1:20:13
Speaker 1: bring you through a presentation that shows you, like an
1:20:17
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1:20:21
Speaker 1: how it's going to be beneficial to you. And then
1:20:23
Speaker 1: we take you through a form that actually hones in
1:20:27
Speaker 1: on the exact reason why you came into the studio today.
1:20:31
Speaker 1: So based on that, that's gonna be our goal for
1:20:34
Speaker 1: the entire experience. So if you tell us my hamstrings
1:20:37
Speaker 1: have been sore for years, we're gonna target your hamstrings
1:20:41
Speaker 1: and help unlock that part of your body. What most
1:20:44
Speaker 1: people don't realize is it's usually one muscle group that's
1:20:47
Speaker 1: preventing your whole body from relaxing. So once we unlock that,
1:20:51
Speaker 1: then you'll be able to live more free. We also
1:20:55
Speaker 1: measure your stretch age, so we have a measuring system
1:20:58
Speaker 1: where we tell you how with you our flexibility wise
1:21:01
Speaker 1: and not. It does not have anything to do with
1:21:04
Speaker 1: your actual birth age. Is completely based on your flexibility.
1:21:08
Speaker 1: So we compare that number before the session and after
1:21:11
Speaker 1: the session. Usually after the session people get or lose
1:21:15
Speaker 1: three inches of tension after forty five minutes. So yeah,
1:21:20
Speaker 1: we're providing all types of results. I mean, that's the
1:21:24
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1:21:29
Speaker 1: people see it like, wow, I feel better, but I
1:21:32
Speaker 1: have visible results that I've done better than I have
1:21:37
Speaker 1: in thirty years, justin forty five minutes. You know, it's
1:21:40
Speaker 1: really interesting when I when I when I finally listened
1:21:43
Speaker 1: to my wife, finally finally got my behind on the floor. Okay,
1:21:48
Speaker 1: I I had pads everywhere. Wasn't like I wasn't like
1:21:51
Speaker 1: I didn't have access to it. If my mind went
1:21:54
Speaker 1: this will do nothing for me. This is a w
1:21:56
Speaker 1: why stretchy? What? What is there? What is the the
1:22:00
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1:22:03
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1:22:05
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1:22:08
Speaker 1: area that's kind of little above my right hip. I
1:22:12
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1:22:16
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1:22:18
Speaker 1: to put some ice on it, icy hot everything. Yes,
1:22:25
Speaker 1: I was a denial. I needed you, kick up. What
1:22:28
Speaker 1: were you at? I needed you? And the thing is like,
1:22:31
Speaker 1: people can only go so far on their own. So
1:22:34
Speaker 1: like I stretched by myself all the time, but I'm
1:22:37
Speaker 1: just stretching by myself. It really takes just like you said,
1:22:40
Speaker 1: mentors help you get enough level in life, It really
1:22:43
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1:22:47
Speaker 1: a place where you've never experienced before, a place of
1:22:50
Speaker 1: freedom all through your body. You need help. You can't
1:22:53
Speaker 1: do it on your own because people are like, oh, yeah,
1:22:55
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1:22:58
Speaker 1: look at them like, why are you so tight? Because
1:23:01
Speaker 1: you've been stretching by yourself for years. So what we've
1:23:03
Speaker 1: really done is developed a way for people to receive
1:23:06
Speaker 1: freedom within their own bodies. And in two eleven I
1:23:09
Speaker 1: was the only one doing it. Now we have competitors
1:23:14
Speaker 1: who are emulating what we've set up. So it's it's
1:23:17
Speaker 1: and people always ask me like, wow, how do you
1:23:19
Speaker 1: feel about that? And I tell them I'm honored. I
1:23:22
Speaker 1: started an industry and these huge companies are trying to
1:23:25
Speaker 1: mimic it like it's it's a great feeling. Well, you know,
1:23:29
Speaker 1: I guess first of all, you know they are not
1:23:31
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1:23:35
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1:23:39
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1:23:42
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1:23:44
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1:23:48
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1:23:51
Speaker 1: up about five words before we finished this show. But
1:23:55
Speaker 1: let's talk about this a little bit of the business side,
1:23:57
Speaker 1: because we're talked about franchises, and you know, it's always easy.
1:24:01
Speaker 1: You know when you when you control the baby, you
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1:24:18
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1:24:22
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1:24:24
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1:24:30
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1:24:33
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1:24:36
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1:24:38
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1:24:44
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1:24:47
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1:24:50
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1:25:00
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1:25:05
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1:25:09
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1:25:11
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1:25:16
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1:25:19
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1:25:42
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1:25:44
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1:25:48
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1:25:50
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1:25:52
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1:25:55
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1:25:58
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1:26:00
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1:26:03
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1:26:08
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1:26:10
Speaker 1: there are three valuable pieces of advice about franchising. One,
1:26:14
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1:26:19
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1:26:25
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1:26:41
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1:26:44
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1:26:46
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1:26:50
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1:26:54
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1:26:57
Speaker 1: Can you just explain your method a little bit more
1:26:59
Speaker 1: before you wrap up the show so I can make
1:27:00
Speaker 1: sure everybody understand what exactly is the key up method? Yep.
1:27:05
Speaker 1: So it's based on the dancers approach of stretching. So
1:27:08
Speaker 1: we use stretch coaches that replace gravity. So as the
1:27:11
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1:27:15
Speaker 1: mat the whole time. We teach you how to completely
1:27:18
Speaker 1: let go of all of your tensions, so you're lying
1:27:21
Speaker 1: their length and we follow your breath pattern to add
1:27:24
Speaker 1: this stretch. So imagine lying there completely length. You don't
1:27:28
Speaker 1: have to hold your body up, You just relaxed and
1:27:30
Speaker 1: having someone take you a bit further than you could
1:27:32
Speaker 1: ever go on home, and that we do your entire body.
1:27:36
Speaker 1: We end it with a little bit of attention relief
1:27:38
Speaker 1: um treatment on your back and then you stand up
1:27:42
Speaker 1: and you feel like a new person. Okay, I need
1:27:46
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1:27:54
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1:27:57
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1:28:01
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1:28:04
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1:28:06
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1:28:13
Speaker 1: There you go. I love it, I love it. I
1:28:14
Speaker 1: love it. So what's the future. What's the future Kika
1:28:17
Speaker 1: Stretch Studio. What's the future in eleven eleven locations? What
1:28:20
Speaker 1: is the future? Yeah, So this year we're looking to
1:28:24
Speaker 1: add seven more franchisees uh uh, qualified candidates that can
1:28:29
Speaker 1: really add to the overall brand. UM. So, of course
1:28:33
Speaker 1: scaling and adding UM to the unit is always important.
1:28:36
Speaker 1: But then we're also working on creating a franchise university
1:28:41
Speaker 1: of some sorts, some people who maybe don't have enough
1:28:44
Speaker 1: money to get involved with, people who don't see it
1:28:47
Speaker 1: as being an outlet, a way to you know, grow UM.
1:28:52
Speaker 1: We're looking to educate people on exactly what franchising is
1:28:55
Speaker 1: because there's not really too much out there, so we're
1:28:58
Speaker 1: looking to help everyone. Wow, I'm talking to the youngest
1:29:01
Speaker 1: female franchiser in the US, and UM Top Female Entrepreneur
1:29:07
Speaker 1: was named Top Female entrepreneur by Huffington Post and she's amazing. Uh,
1:29:12
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1:29:16
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1:29:21
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1:29:23
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1:29:30
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1:29:33
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1:29:40
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1:29:42
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1:29:44
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1:29:46
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1:29:48
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1:32:58
Speaker 1: what I'm talking to. You know, he founded amazing sound
1:33:01
Speaker 1: of amazing Brandon. When when I when I do that
1:33:04
Speaker 1: intro about Live Nation, we all know that's a brand.
1:33:06
Speaker 1: So tell us about the Live Nation brand. Sure. I
1:33:10
Speaker 1: mean Live Nation is the global leader in live entertainment.
1:33:14
Speaker 1: I mean anywhere you go around the world, if you're
1:33:16
Speaker 1: looking at any concept that you're making a ticket purchase to,
1:33:19
Speaker 1: more than likely it's a concert from Live Nation. And
1:33:22
Speaker 1: so you know, with that being said, you know, Live
1:33:25
Speaker 1: Nation Urban was developed in really to focus on developing
1:33:29
Speaker 1: events and platforms and emerging artists in hip hop, R
1:33:33
Speaker 1: and being gospel. You know, Live Nation is a phenomenal company,
1:33:37
Speaker 1: but there was such a you know, there was white space,
1:33:40
Speaker 1: you know, particularly in this you know, hip hop and
1:33:42
Speaker 1: R and B and gospel drivers to really develop new platforms.
1:33:45
Speaker 1: It's really interesting that you're saying that because of the
1:33:48
Speaker 1: fact that you know, my history was Steve Harvey. So
1:33:51
Speaker 1: you know I promoted all of his concerts when I
1:33:54
Speaker 1: managed him from two thousands, and so going into the venue,
1:33:58
Speaker 1: promoting the venue, getting right acts, getting the right ticket price,
1:34:03
Speaker 1: because that's what I catered to, you know, before Steve
1:34:04
Speaker 1: became Mr. Family Few. You know, our audience was an
1:34:07
Speaker 1: urban audience. So you know we're setting out, you know,
1:34:10
Speaker 1: different venues all over the country, and that was our
1:34:12
Speaker 1: audience base. And there is a particular way you they
1:34:15
Speaker 1: have to be treated and they have to be promoted.
1:34:17
Speaker 1: To tell us about it, well, I mean absolutely, I
1:34:20
Speaker 1: mean you can't use a cookie cutter marketing plan, you know,
1:34:23
Speaker 1: for a hip hop audience that we may use for
1:34:25
Speaker 1: a pop audience, for a rock audience, there's a way
1:34:27
Speaker 1: that you have to cater to that audience. There's a
1:34:29
Speaker 1: way that you need to speak to that audience. And
1:34:32
Speaker 1: quite honestly, that's another reason why Live Nation Urban you
1:34:35
Speaker 1: know what created because you know, we are African Americans
1:34:38
Speaker 1: in this space that understand other African Americans, and so
1:34:42
Speaker 1: it's easier for us to market, it's easier for us
1:34:44
Speaker 1: to come up with ideas that makes sense for this
1:34:46
Speaker 1: particular audience. And so we're here, we're we're established, and
1:34:50
Speaker 1: were really bring some amazing things. Um going into our
1:34:53
Speaker 1: third year. Now, it was something interesting, you said, He said,
1:34:57
Speaker 1: strategic content partnerships for emerging established and classic hip hop,
1:35:03
Speaker 1: R and B and gospel artists. Let's talk about the
1:35:06
Speaker 1: emerging what what? What are you considering the emerging audience
1:35:10
Speaker 1: and an emerging artists to us, you know, it's a
1:35:12
Speaker 1: couple of things. One, it's an artist that may have
1:35:15
Speaker 1: just gotten signed to a label but doesn't understand what
1:35:18
Speaker 1: it takes to have a live touring career. There's a
1:35:21
Speaker 1: difference between going on stage and performing live and having
1:35:24
Speaker 1: a sustaining touring careers. A batch of artists that get
1:35:27
Speaker 1: up on stage and they may have, you know, a
1:35:30
Speaker 1: year of success, but then after that year, what happens
1:35:33
Speaker 1: next when that audience dies down. What we try to
1:35:35
Speaker 1: do is really cultivate artists so that they have a
1:35:37
Speaker 1: core fan base. Build those artists up from clubs and theaters,
1:35:42
Speaker 1: and so five years from from you know, from that moment,
1:35:45
Speaker 1: there now in amphitheaters and arenas. You know, hopefully one
1:35:48
Speaker 1: day stadiums it's about really developing artists and and creating
1:35:52
Speaker 1: a sustaining career for that artist, because quite honestly, you know,
1:35:55
Speaker 1: eight two of an artist revenue now comes from touring.
1:35:59
Speaker 1: Come on. And so if that you know, aspect of
1:36:02
Speaker 1: their career is not solidified or is not strong, guess
1:36:06
Speaker 1: what that that artist, you know, is not gonna last long.
1:36:09
Speaker 1: And in a very very cutthroat industry. You know, it's
1:36:11
Speaker 1: really funny you say that because you know, I did
1:36:13
Speaker 1: the Neighborhood Awards many years, Steve and I did it,
1:36:16
Speaker 1: uh honoring up. We consider stars in neighborhood and we
1:36:20
Speaker 1: always had established talent, you know, O Jays established, a
1:36:25
Speaker 1: baby Face was established, you know, the new edition. He's
1:36:28
Speaker 1: established people. So they like you said that they make
1:36:30
Speaker 1: their money on tour and so and I would go
1:36:33
Speaker 1: to him and go, hey, man, uh, I just need
1:36:35
Speaker 1: one song to go. We're not gonna do one song.
1:36:39
Speaker 1: I said, the money's not gonna change. No, no, no,
1:36:43
Speaker 1: you know from Charlie wasn't on up there. And I
1:36:45
Speaker 1: always wind up having to give him twenty minutes because
1:36:47
Speaker 1: they would say this there was a liberal sean. We
1:36:49
Speaker 1: we cannot have happen, is you know, because you canna
1:36:52
Speaker 1: put our name up on a banner. You're gonna put
1:36:53
Speaker 1: our name and you gonna promote us. We can't have
1:36:55
Speaker 1: somebody coming at the arena and go OJ's onna do
1:36:58
Speaker 1: one song. Man, that's mass uh, he said. Bad news
1:37:02
Speaker 1: travels fast. Good news stays with the people. They may
1:37:06
Speaker 1: share it and they may not share it. And that's
1:37:08
Speaker 1: where you talk about established talent. Established talents have to
1:37:11
Speaker 1: hold onto their reputation and because that's where they make
1:37:14
Speaker 1: their bottom line. That's right. I can't imagine if they
1:37:18
Speaker 1: did one song at that event, you know, and then
1:37:22
Speaker 1: someone saw it, it was like, oh, they only did
1:37:24
Speaker 1: one song. So when they come back to that city
1:37:27
Speaker 1: and like, oh, well the o J is a new
1:37:29
Speaker 1: edition their performance, Well, they only did one song last time.
1:37:31
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I'm not paying a hundred
1:37:33
Speaker 1: dollars or whatever that if they don't put on a
1:37:36
Speaker 1: good show. And that's why they do it, because they
1:37:39
Speaker 1: took taking years to build up that fan base, and
1:37:42
Speaker 1: one performance could couldn't make that fan base, you know,
1:37:45
Speaker 1: decline unfortunately in that particular city for sure. And also
1:37:49
Speaker 1: with social media, you know, people you you you're Gonnaline
1:37:51
Speaker 1: all the time people hold up a camera and and
1:37:54
Speaker 1: they their videotaping and they have some comment. They might
1:37:56
Speaker 1: be saying, just on the song they did next you long,
1:37:58
Speaker 1: that can go viral and that can mess up next year.
1:38:01
Speaker 1: You know, they're explaining themselves throughout the whole touring process
1:38:04
Speaker 1: when they go when they're doing the radio and now
1:38:06
Speaker 1: we're gonna do the entire concert. Who needs that headache?
1:38:09
Speaker 1: So what that being said, The reason I brought that
1:38:11
Speaker 1: up is that there has to be Yes, you have
1:38:13
Speaker 1: the Live Nation brand associated with you, but there has
1:38:16
Speaker 1: to be a trust factor put in place for you
1:38:19
Speaker 1: to get the talent, especially established talent to work with you.
1:38:23
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean this is you know, yes, we
1:38:25
Speaker 1: have the Live Nation Urban brand behind us, but ultimately
1:38:28
Speaker 1: it's about relationships. And I'll say this to your listeners
1:38:33
Speaker 1: in any field you're in, in any industry you're in,
1:38:36
Speaker 1: I'll argue that of your job is building, sustaining and
1:38:40
Speaker 1: having trusting relationships with people, because ultimately, there are a
1:38:44
Speaker 1: bunch of people that can do what I do, but
1:38:46
Speaker 1: if we don't trust each other or work well together,
1:38:48
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And so relationship building is the fundamental
1:38:52
Speaker 1: You know, I say, one of the cores or tenants
1:38:54
Speaker 1: of being in music or being in any industry, as
1:38:56
Speaker 1: I just stated, And so yes to your point, Yes,
1:38:59
Speaker 1: we have the Live Nation, but they have to trust
1:39:00
Speaker 1: us and know that we're going to make sure that
1:39:03
Speaker 1: we put them in the best position possible to have
1:39:05
Speaker 1: the best produced, you know, the most quality performance so
1:39:09
Speaker 1: that they can go out and give a great show
1:39:11
Speaker 1: to their fans. You know, it's really interesting because you know,
1:39:14
Speaker 1: you really are talking about a lot here when you're
1:39:16
Speaker 1: talking about classic hip hop okay, and you're talking about
1:39:21
Speaker 1: R and B, and then you're talking about gospel artists.
1:39:24
Speaker 1: Now you know I've had Do you do anything with comedians? Uh?
1:39:29
Speaker 1: Not yet, but coming. I know it has to be
1:39:32
Speaker 1: coming now because that's I'm starting to see, especially in Alta,
1:39:36
Speaker 1: you know, State Farm Arena. Every time I look up
1:39:37
Speaker 1: every month, a big show is coming through town here
1:39:40
Speaker 1: and so but it's not I'm not hearing Live Nation
1:39:42
Speaker 1: Urban tied to that at all. So that's definitely market
1:39:45
Speaker 1: is out there. Let me say this in regards to comedy,
1:39:49
Speaker 1: so we're building a bland. It's called Black Thoughts from
1:39:52
Speaker 1: the Roots actually hosts a comedy event that we've had
1:39:57
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, We've had in the Montreal Um Comedy Festival,
1:40:01
Speaker 1: We've had it UM at the New York Comedy Festival.
1:40:03
Speaker 1: So it's something. It's a brand that we're building. But
1:40:05
Speaker 1: outside of that, we are definitely claiming to get more
1:40:08
Speaker 1: into comedy as well. Sorry to interrupt you, well no, no, no, no,
1:40:11
Speaker 1: this is great. This is great information because of the
1:40:13
Speaker 1: fact that I'm just letting everybody know how you guys
1:40:16
Speaker 1: operate as far as and how you're partaking a particular
1:40:19
Speaker 1: interest because I was about to slide over to the
1:40:21
Speaker 1: gospel artists now, you know, I remember several years ago
1:40:25
Speaker 1: I did a tour with Kurt Franklin and Steve Harvey,
1:40:28
Speaker 1: and Steve Harvey was not going to use any profane
1:40:31
Speaker 1: language but on stage during this tour, and it was
1:40:34
Speaker 1: the most difficult tour for me to do from a
1:40:37
Speaker 1: promotional standpoint, because I really didn't know my audience. You know,
1:40:40
Speaker 1: I knew who Steve's audience was, but who exactly were
1:40:43
Speaker 1: the gospel audience. Where do you go to reach these people?
1:40:46
Speaker 1: Because you know, people said, well, you just just just
1:40:49
Speaker 1: advertised on the gospel station. I did that, but but
1:40:52
Speaker 1: it wasn't until I just advertised on just the regular stations.
1:40:56
Speaker 1: Then I got the response I had because of the
1:40:58
Speaker 1: fact that church for everybody, church people are church people.
1:41:01
Speaker 1: Church people listen no RB church people listen to hip hop.
1:41:04
Speaker 1: Church people are church people. And it was because of
1:41:06
Speaker 1: That's the whole part of what you have to do
1:41:09
Speaker 1: as a as a leader in this particular brand is
1:41:11
Speaker 1: understand how to reach your market. And that's what you're saying,
1:41:14
Speaker 1: this is why it's necessary to have this particular brand
1:41:17
Speaker 1: under Live Nation Urban Brand correct And just so you know,
1:41:22
Speaker 1: from the gospel space to your point, we've actually partnered
1:41:25
Speaker 1: with Kirk Franklin for his Exodus Music and Arts festival,
1:41:29
Speaker 1: which is in Dallas, Texas. That's my favorite, that's my favorite. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, sir.
1:41:34
Speaker 1: And in the third year we're gonna sell it out
1:41:36
Speaker 1: again this year we're looking to expand into other markets. Um.
1:41:40
Speaker 1: And so you know, to your point, it's not only
1:41:43
Speaker 1: going you know, on the gospel stations, we actually go
1:41:46
Speaker 1: into the churches. But but guess what we're on the
1:41:49
Speaker 1: regular urban a C you know, adult contemporary. Well because
1:41:53
Speaker 1: the Jill Scott audience, it's also maybe at the jil
1:41:56
Speaker 1: Scot concert at it. They're going to church on Sunday,
1:41:58
Speaker 1: So you can't neglect a certain we're all, you know,
1:42:03
Speaker 1: some of us have certain religious beliefs, but ultimately we're
1:42:05
Speaker 1: all people and we all love music. So you know,
1:42:08
Speaker 1: you can't you know, discern the coote unquote gospel audience
1:42:12
Speaker 1: from a you know, a traditional concert going audience, because
1:42:15
Speaker 1: we're all we're all going to concerts. Well, it's really
1:42:18
Speaker 1: great that you brought up Kurt Franklin and the and
1:42:20
Speaker 1: the concert festival that he does in the Dallas and
1:42:23
Speaker 1: make us. I've been promoted in the last couple of
1:42:25
Speaker 1: years with him, so in a way we've we've had
1:42:28
Speaker 1: a relationship and I didn't even know what they're Brandon,
1:42:30
Speaker 1: how about that which is? Which is a beautiful name?
1:42:34
Speaker 1: Which is because you know, my whole thing and and
1:42:36
Speaker 1: establishing this brand of money making conversation what to create
1:42:40
Speaker 1: It's about relationship, like you spoke about earlier. You know,
1:42:42
Speaker 1: it's about connecting the dots and giving individual platforms, individuals
1:42:46
Speaker 1: like you to be able to speak your brand, build
1:42:49
Speaker 1: your brand, communicate while your brand is important and how
1:42:52
Speaker 1: it affects a lot of people strategically, which is also
1:42:55
Speaker 1: part of your introduction, because that's what you're trying to do.
1:42:58
Speaker 1: Create these relationships with entertainment that really reaches the core
1:43:02
Speaker 1: audience that's really demanding it, but oftentime doesn't get it correct.
1:43:07
Speaker 1: And I think just to give you part of our
1:43:09
Speaker 1: our our strategy, and I think, you know, I want
1:43:11
Speaker 1: to give a special shout out to to the president
1:43:13
Speaker 1: of Limasion Urban schaun Gy for for you know, really
1:43:16
Speaker 1: having the vision to to have this. You know, what
1:43:18
Speaker 1: we want to do is create opportunities for artists that
1:43:22
Speaker 1: may not have those opportunities. When you look at the
1:43:25
Speaker 1: festival landscape, for example, you'll see your coachell As, you
1:43:27
Speaker 1: see your final Ruse Lollapa Loss. But what you don't
1:43:31
Speaker 1: see these festivals. You know, they cater to every audience.
1:43:34
Speaker 1: You know, you may have three R and B acts,
1:43:36
Speaker 1: you may have four rock acts, you may have four
1:43:39
Speaker 1: pop acts. You know, it's a it's kind of a
1:43:41
Speaker 1: smartest board of different you know, artists, but nothing that
1:43:44
Speaker 1: super serves a particular demographic. So what we've done or
1:43:49
Speaker 1: create festivals, create events, create platforms that super served emerging
1:43:54
Speaker 1: hip hop, you know, classic hip hop, R and B
1:43:58
Speaker 1: emerging R and B gospel artist emergency, different platforms, different
1:44:02
Speaker 1: festivals with different artists. So now, and you know, let's
1:44:05
Speaker 1: call it one. If I'm a hip hop artist, you know,
1:44:08
Speaker 1: I have my own You know, you can go to
1:44:10
Speaker 1: Live Nation Urban and you can be on ten events
1:44:13
Speaker 1: in a year, where in the past maybe you were
1:44:15
Speaker 1: hoping to get on one or two festivals or one
1:44:17
Speaker 1: or two different events and platforms. And that's why we were,
1:44:20
Speaker 1: you know, really created to give opportunities for underserved audiences. Well,
1:44:25
Speaker 1: you know, it's important to say that because because the
1:44:27
Speaker 1: gospel artists were really going back performing and mega churches
1:44:31
Speaker 1: a few years ago because they kind of lost their
1:44:33
Speaker 1: voice in the arenas and and the right promoters didn't
1:44:36
Speaker 1: trust it or didn't do the right packaging to get
1:44:38
Speaker 1: them back out there being appreciated. And so it's important
1:44:41
Speaker 1: that you understand the brand. You understand their the ability
1:44:45
Speaker 1: to be able to to grow this brand. Now you
1:44:47
Speaker 1: should a name right there, Sean G. It's the same
1:44:50
Speaker 1: Sean Chief in Philadelphia, Yes it is. Uh, that's my man,
1:44:55
Speaker 1: right there, Sean G. I many times I've worked with
1:44:58
Speaker 1: that young man telling our concerts. But come on, now,
1:45:02
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's your fearless leader over there. Man.
1:45:07
Speaker 1: You know, been working with Shawn two thousand six and
1:45:10
Speaker 1: helping to build you know what what we have today.
1:45:13
Speaker 1: I'm telling you something, man, a special individual. I know.
1:45:15
Speaker 1: I used to come to Sean for talent and U
1:45:19
Speaker 1: and he, you know, like I said, you know, I'm
1:45:20
Speaker 1: I'm an emerging promoter and I had an emerging brand
1:45:23
Speaker 1: and he and he would work with me because I
1:45:25
Speaker 1: had the ability to play music on the air too.
1:45:27
Speaker 1: That helped the relationship as well. But he understood the relationship.
1:45:31
Speaker 1: And so to see that you have Sean g as
1:45:34
Speaker 1: the as the overarching visionary of this whole process with
1:45:37
Speaker 1: Live Non Nation Urgent Urbancuse Live Nation Urban. It's congratulations man, congratulations.
1:45:43
Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to talk more about
1:45:45
Speaker 1: some more program projects. You have, this app you have
1:45:48
Speaker 1: this is uh twelth and your roots Picnic that's coming
1:45:51
Speaker 1: up a lot more to talk about talk about with
1:45:53
Speaker 1: my man Brandon Pankey Live Nation Urban. As host of
1:45:58
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1:46:02
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1:46:06
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1:46:10
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1:46:31
Speaker 1: this Rashan McDonald. I'm speaking to the vice president of
1:46:34
Speaker 1: Business Development and Operations for Live Nation Urban. The company
1:46:38
Speaker 1: was established a better cater to underserved audiences by developing
1:46:41
Speaker 1: original urban focus, advanced festival brands, and strategic content partnerships
1:46:46
Speaker 1: for emerging, established and classic hip hop, R and B
1:46:49
Speaker 1: and gospel artists. My man Brandon Pankey. Hey, Brandon's really
1:46:54
Speaker 1: interesting when I see because I let's see, its a
1:46:56
Speaker 1: lot more hip hop concert concerts out there now. And
1:46:59
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you all. You know my old school,
1:47:01
Speaker 1: you know, and at one time, you know, it was
1:47:03
Speaker 1: it was like you couldn't ensure a hip hop artist
1:47:06
Speaker 1: a concert, you know, really, you know, they'll be tann
1:47:10
Speaker 1: up there, dressing room there, they like the stage on fire.
1:47:12
Speaker 1: They were like bad boars of ignorance. When I was
1:47:16
Speaker 1: coming up and now I see more and more concerts
1:47:19
Speaker 1: are what is the Are the artists more mature? Are
1:47:22
Speaker 1: the artists smarter? Are what is going on? Why are
1:47:25
Speaker 1: we having such productive hip hop shows now? I think
1:47:30
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a lot of things. One. I think
1:47:32
Speaker 1: promoters UM have welcomed hip hop so much because here's
1:47:37
Speaker 1: the thing. Hip hop is, you know, always in the
1:47:39
Speaker 1: top streaming john globally and you have the numbers now
1:47:42
Speaker 1: and hip hop to back up why you know, hip
1:47:45
Speaker 1: hop is important too if you go to you know,
1:47:48
Speaker 1: hip hop, you know, especially for younger hip hop shows
1:47:51
Speaker 1: or concerts, that that crowd is super diverse. You know,
1:47:55
Speaker 1: it's not just you know, black folks out there. It's
1:47:58
Speaker 1: you know, it's all every race is there, young, old,
1:48:01
Speaker 1: watching hip hop. You know, So there's money to be
1:48:03
Speaker 1: made in it. Three, they're just smarter managers, you know.
1:48:06
Speaker 1: I think you know, the management teams now are so
1:48:10
Speaker 1: savvy and understand that each hip hop artists and artists
1:48:12
Speaker 1: in general are brands, and so they're really building and
1:48:15
Speaker 1: cultivating those brands to really make them stand out. UM.
1:48:19
Speaker 1: And then social media, you know, hip hop artists are
1:48:22
Speaker 1: now coming out with content. You know, I've seen some
1:48:26
Speaker 1: artists come out with multiple albums or multiple mixtapes in
1:48:28
Speaker 1: a year, and that wasn't happening in the past. And
1:48:31
Speaker 1: so there's so much content. There's so much you know,
1:48:34
Speaker 1: they have so you can see their personalities on social
1:48:36
Speaker 1: media and and promoters are so open to it. You know,
1:48:39
Speaker 1: I don't see hip hop necessarily going down from from
1:48:43
Speaker 1: a show perspective anytime soon. But I originally enjoyed. I
1:48:46
Speaker 1: was excited about it to bring you on the show.
1:48:48
Speaker 1: Was that, you know, I always preaching multiple streams of income,
1:48:52
Speaker 1: multiple opportunities brings longevity, and you know, one check is cool,
1:48:56
Speaker 1: but hey, several checks and especially checks when you're getting
1:48:59
Speaker 1: the while you're sleep is beautiful. Now, in addition to
1:49:02
Speaker 1: your duties at Live Nation Urban, you're also currently relaunching
1:49:05
Speaker 1: your app, The Tour Staw. Yeah, so um wow. Tour
1:49:10
Speaker 1: Star wasn't an idea I had in two thousand eleven, actually,
1:49:14
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, dealing with with a particular
1:49:16
Speaker 1: artist on tour and I was like, man, I wish
1:49:17
Speaker 1: there was a way that people could see, you know,
1:49:19
Speaker 1: what we do, you know, in a fun way. And
1:49:21
Speaker 1: so it's like, well, let's develop a music simulation game
1:49:24
Speaker 1: that talks about toying, taking an artist from you know,
1:49:27
Speaker 1: the playing and his or her garage and making it
1:49:30
Speaker 1: to an arena level superstar. So we created this game
1:49:32
Speaker 1: UM in two thousand and fourteen a debut in the
1:49:35
Speaker 1: top um top ten UM on on the Apple Music charts,
1:49:40
Speaker 1: did really well. We added a Quest Love as a
1:49:44
Speaker 1: as a partner in the game, and we're actually in
1:49:47
Speaker 1: the process of getting UM the company sold and then
1:49:50
Speaker 1: relaunching the app by the end of the year, you know,
1:49:53
Speaker 1: kind of a version to with with a bigger gaming company.
1:49:56
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about that. And to your point, you know,
1:49:59
Speaker 1: it's really about you know, different streams of income. And
1:50:02
Speaker 1: I love music, but I think there are opportunities not
1:50:06
Speaker 1: only in gaming, but in content, you know, besides the
1:50:09
Speaker 1: list space, taking music as kind of the hub and
1:50:12
Speaker 1: branching out into into different areas UM. And that's what
1:50:16
Speaker 1: excites me about having the freedom and and really working
1:50:19
Speaker 1: in a space where I have the opportunity to be
1:50:21
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur UM as well as work with Live Nation.
1:50:24
Speaker 1: So it's really the best of those world. Well, you know,
1:50:26
Speaker 1: you're not only entrepreneur, you're a manager, you know, Yes,
1:50:31
Speaker 1: so so so so. So let's let's let's talk about
1:50:34
Speaker 1: these titles that you got working on. You your vice
1:50:36
Speaker 1: president of business Development and operation. You're developing apps, and
1:50:41
Speaker 1: you're managing talent. So it tells us about that. Lastly,
1:50:44
Speaker 1: because you know, I know something about managing is God
1:50:46
Speaker 1: know that's you know a lot of people that that title.
1:50:48
Speaker 1: Things very simple, but managing man. I'm tell you something.
1:50:54
Speaker 1: That phone range, you gotta pick it up. You gotta
1:50:56
Speaker 1: be a brother's sister, preacher, uh urity, uh, a loan officer.
1:51:03
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta be a cook, uh meal you weren't
1:51:09
Speaker 1: ready to buy. Uh. You gotta be uh an enforced therapist, therapy.
1:51:14
Speaker 1: I forgot that. I'm saying, Hey, brand I apologize. I
1:51:16
Speaker 1: should have started with therapist. Let me tell you know,
1:51:23
Speaker 1: you know what, It's so funny because you have to
1:51:25
Speaker 1: be all those things. In fact, the artists I managed
1:51:27
Speaker 1: recently came out with her first single. Her name is
1:51:29
Speaker 1: Brianna Cash. She signed to Um in a joint venture
1:51:33
Speaker 1: with Interscope and a super producer named Popeline cell Um.
1:51:37
Speaker 1: She's from Philadelphia as well, and you know she's a
1:51:40
Speaker 1: phenomenal artist. And she'll tell you I did not want
1:51:43
Speaker 1: to be her manager. I said, management is an eighty
1:51:46
Speaker 1: two hour a day job. I I didn't have the
1:51:50
Speaker 1: time to do it. Um, and I kind of just
1:51:52
Speaker 1: fell into it. And she now called me her brother
1:51:54
Speaker 1: slash dad. Um. And it's because you care so much
1:51:58
Speaker 1: about the artist or artists that you're you're working with
1:52:01
Speaker 1: the managerial side. I you know, I couldn't leave her
1:52:04
Speaker 1: now if I if I wanted to, because I understand
1:52:07
Speaker 1: the value who she is as a person, in my
1:52:09
Speaker 1: value in her life and making sure she gets to
1:52:12
Speaker 1: a certain place in her career and not just in
1:52:14
Speaker 1: her career. But I actually care more about, you know,
1:52:18
Speaker 1: her personal life than I do the career. I think
1:52:20
Speaker 1: the career stuff is going to happen because she has
1:52:22
Speaker 1: a label behind her, because you know, we have a
1:52:24
Speaker 1: smart team with her, but really making sure on a
1:52:27
Speaker 1: day to day basis she's okay, because I think that
1:52:29
Speaker 1: gets lost in the careers of every artist, that gets
1:52:33
Speaker 1: lost in the careers of executives of any industry. I
1:52:35
Speaker 1: think we really, you know, I'm kind of diverting myself,
1:52:39
Speaker 1: but we really need to focus on the mental health
1:52:41
Speaker 1: for individuals because I don't think we pay enough attention
1:52:43
Speaker 1: to that, especially in high stress. Um. Absolutely, and I
1:52:48
Speaker 1: and I liken bad managers to bad parents because these
1:52:51
Speaker 1: individuals who've trust us, who come to us, or we
1:52:55
Speaker 1: come to them, and we convince them that we're the
1:52:56
Speaker 1: right person to just steer their career, to keep their
1:52:59
Speaker 1: life right, to make sure they're talking to the right
1:53:01
Speaker 1: people showing up because especially with social media, you gotta
1:53:04
Speaker 1: be you know, you gotta monitor social media. You gotta
1:53:06
Speaker 1: monitor so much that goes into your head and some
1:53:09
Speaker 1: of the stress that you have to take on and
1:53:11
Speaker 1: then stay levelheaded about it and being and being able
1:53:15
Speaker 1: to deliver an answer. That's the key to one manage
1:53:18
Speaker 1: when they ask you a question, don't stutter, don't go
1:53:22
Speaker 1: I'll be right back with you, because they're they're coming
1:53:25
Speaker 1: to you because that's the final leg where they need
1:53:27
Speaker 1: to answer and they need that relaxed moment or that
1:53:30
Speaker 1: confirmed moment that they're doing the right things in their life.
1:53:32
Speaker 1: So I definitely have to bring that up because that
1:53:34
Speaker 1: that level of diversity really lets me know that you're
1:53:37
Speaker 1: looking at you're looking at your life from a global perspective.
1:53:40
Speaker 1: You're not looking at this life as one opportunity, but
1:53:43
Speaker 1: many opportunities. How do you take on that that that
1:53:45
Speaker 1: persona or that ability to multitask A multitask I think
1:53:50
Speaker 1: I've just always had that that ability. I knew that.
1:53:54
Speaker 1: You know, probably at this point, if I was just
1:53:55
Speaker 1: doing one thing, I would probably lose my mind because
1:53:59
Speaker 1: that's not who I am. Like I you know, I
1:54:01
Speaker 1: want to learn and I want to be a part
1:54:03
Speaker 1: of so many different things within entertainment, you know. And
1:54:07
Speaker 1: you know something we didn't touch on is, hey, I'm
1:54:09
Speaker 1: also you know, a part of a nonprofit where we
1:54:11
Speaker 1: teach students about the business of entertainment because it has
1:54:14
Speaker 1: to be you know, to me, it's very holistic, you know,
1:54:16
Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm managing, I'm working in live music,
1:54:20
Speaker 1: We're working in gaming and other special events. And then
1:54:22
Speaker 1: I have to make sure that that I give back
1:54:24
Speaker 1: as well, you know, particularly the young black and brown
1:54:27
Speaker 1: kids who don't have the access or opportunity you know
1:54:30
Speaker 1: what I mean, or that that I have had. And
1:54:33
Speaker 1: so when you give that, now you can create more
1:54:35
Speaker 1: of a diverse workforce. Now you're actually creating smarter managers
1:54:40
Speaker 1: of color. Now you're also creating the next generation of
1:54:43
Speaker 1: Live Nation urban employees and so it comes full circle.
1:54:47
Speaker 1: So to that point, um, you know, I just I
1:54:50
Speaker 1: wake up knowing I want to be great. I wake
1:54:53
Speaker 1: up knowing that, you know, I believe that all of us, um,
1:54:57
Speaker 1: you know, have God within us, and so we have
1:55:00
Speaker 1: you know, our our greatest potentials within ourselves. And so
1:55:02
Speaker 1: why why limit ourselves? Why? You know, there are people
1:55:05
Speaker 1: that were very close to me who said, you know,
1:55:08
Speaker 1: way back, you know, don't go into music. You know,
1:55:11
Speaker 1: it's a hobby, not a career. Why are you doing this?
1:55:14
Speaker 1: And you have to sometimes not sometimes all the time,
1:55:18
Speaker 1: believe in yourself because I don't believe in yourself. What's
1:55:21
Speaker 1: the point. What's the point in doing any of this?
1:55:23
Speaker 1: And I think that's how some of us get lost
1:55:26
Speaker 1: sometimes because we lose that belief in who we are
1:55:28
Speaker 1: and the things that we're great at. You know, it's
1:55:31
Speaker 1: really fun that you brought that up, because you know,
1:55:33
Speaker 1: I love IBM to be a stand up comics. So
1:55:35
Speaker 1: you understand the questions and the and the doubters that
1:55:38
Speaker 1: came out about that, that that that little career changed it.
1:55:42
Speaker 1: But what happens is you can't ever ask anybody about
1:55:45
Speaker 1: it for advice about your decision. If they are not
1:55:48
Speaker 1: living that lifestyle. In other words, if somebody isn't banking,
1:55:52
Speaker 1: or somebody's a I T person, don't ask them about
1:55:55
Speaker 1: you changing your career into entertainment. They they were, they
1:55:58
Speaker 1: were reverted to what they oh and and if they
1:56:02
Speaker 1: don't know the thing that annoys me most of our people.
1:56:04
Speaker 1: Instead of saying you should seek that out, seek advice
1:56:07
Speaker 1: from somebody who can answer that properly, they're answering and go,
1:56:09
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. Yep, how you
1:56:12
Speaker 1: gonna make money? Are you sure? I heard? Then? I
1:56:16
Speaker 1: heard coming in susbody, I say, I heard walk away
1:56:20
Speaker 1: run because they're now it just noted just gossiping. Now
1:56:23
Speaker 1: they just delivering rumors to your potential career change here.
1:56:27
Speaker 1: But but I wanted to tell you this, Brandon, I
1:56:29
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna forget about the you know, the DASH program,
1:56:32
Speaker 1: because that's about balance life. And that's why I always
1:56:35
Speaker 1: talk about this show, on this show with my guests,
1:56:37
Speaker 1: about that balanced life and the ability to give back
1:56:40
Speaker 1: because I give back at my university with scholarship programs
1:56:43
Speaker 1: and things like that. So so the DASH program he's
1:56:46
Speaker 1: talking about is destined to achieve successful Heights program which
1:56:49
Speaker 1: prepares music education opportunity for students in high school throughout Philadelphia.
1:56:54
Speaker 1: So that to me gives me a full three six
1:56:57
Speaker 1: day about you, and I think that's important. I think
1:57:00
Speaker 1: that's a blessing and you and you should always announced that,
1:57:03
Speaker 1: my friend, because that's important that you understand. You're in
1:57:07
Speaker 1: this business to make money, in this business, develop a career.
1:57:09
Speaker 1: You're managing people, you've got apps. You you savvy, you're articulate,
1:57:13
Speaker 1: you're intelligent, but you also understand that you have to
1:57:16
Speaker 1: slow down and relax a little bit and see what
1:57:19
Speaker 1: else value or the value that God has given you
1:57:23
Speaker 1: to contribute to other people's lives. That's what you're doing. Brother,
1:57:25
Speaker 1: That's a blessing. Thank you so much. Man. And I'll
1:57:28
Speaker 1: tell you one of the bigger stories you know about
1:57:30
Speaker 1: Dash from me UM. I was working with a young
1:57:33
Speaker 1: man who had actually dropped out of school and he,
1:57:37
Speaker 1: you know, came to our app. We had an after
1:57:39
Speaker 1: school program UM in northwest Phildelphia, the facility, and he
1:57:42
Speaker 1: would come there every day even though he wasn't in school.
1:57:45
Speaker 1: And because of that program, you know, he said, you
1:57:47
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna go back and get my g
1:57:48
Speaker 1: E d. And he's not in music, but he has
1:57:52
Speaker 1: a solid job and he's taking care of his family.
1:57:54
Speaker 1: And that's to me. It wasn't about necessarily Hey, you know,
1:57:57
Speaker 1: it's great if we can build the next music exact kids,
1:58:00
Speaker 1: but it's even better we can just make you better
1:58:02
Speaker 1: people and make you want to get on the right
1:58:04
Speaker 1: pass in life. And that's you know, that's really the
1:58:06
Speaker 1: core of what DASH is about. And I would also
1:58:09
Speaker 1: I always shout out to people who have helped develop
1:58:11
Speaker 1: these things, and that's Jerome Hips and Michael mcauthor, who
1:58:14
Speaker 1: are both music managers. They co found the program. I
1:58:17
Speaker 1: came out of the University of penn and started interning
1:58:20
Speaker 1: for them in their recording studio and we started working
1:58:23
Speaker 1: on this, on this um music business program together and
1:58:26
Speaker 1: now not only are we teaching, but it's you know,
1:58:29
Speaker 1: we have developed a curriculum that's going to be implemented
1:58:33
Speaker 1: in high schools in Philadelphia school year focused on the
1:58:36
Speaker 1: business of music and that, you know, that's legacy for me,
1:58:39
Speaker 1: and that's what it's about. And I respect that and
1:58:41
Speaker 1: I appreciate you and I always know you have a
1:58:44
Speaker 1: friend of Rashan McDonald not only because of the fact
1:58:46
Speaker 1: that you're a guy who are who's making a difference
1:58:49
Speaker 1: in the in the business, but also in the community.
1:58:51
Speaker 1: Now we remissed with our Live Nation. Urban has upcoming
1:58:55
Speaker 1: events coming up. Let's talk about this annual Roots Picnic
1:59:00
Speaker 1: featuring the Roofs. Let you do your thing. Okay, I'm
1:59:03
Speaker 1: just saying the twelfth annual Roots Picnic go. Well, let
1:59:07
Speaker 1: me tell you it's the twenty five thousand tickets last
1:59:12
Speaker 1: year annual. This year we expect themself thirty thousand Saturday
1:59:15
Speaker 1: May thirties in Philadelphia. Um, it's gonna be a phenomenal event.
1:59:19
Speaker 1: We have you know everyone, um, from Meek Mill to Thundercat.
1:59:24
Speaker 1: We have to read podcast Question of Supreme podcast. Um,
1:59:27
Speaker 1: we have the Baby. We have such a diverse palette
1:59:31
Speaker 1: of artists that are going to be there, Ray Kuon
1:59:33
Speaker 1: and and ghost Face Black Thought. I mean, it's it's
1:59:36
Speaker 1: a phenomenal festival. It's really you know, we call the
1:59:39
Speaker 1: Slice of Black Culture. Um, you know within Philadelphia and
1:59:43
Speaker 1: we have folkus all the way from d C, New York.
1:59:45
Speaker 1: Everyone comes down as phenomenal. It is a single day event,
1:59:50
Speaker 1: single day event, um, and it's gonna be It's is
1:59:53
Speaker 1: gonna be crazy. We have another event which we call
1:59:55
Speaker 1: the largest gathering of millennial African Americans in the world.
2:00:00
Speaker 1: It's the Brockley City Music Festival in Washington, d C.
2:00:03
Speaker 1: Shout out to Marcus Allen and UM and Brandon McCarron
2:00:07
Speaker 1: who you know helped really found this and put it
2:00:10
Speaker 1: together and live as urban partners with these two two brothers.
2:00:14
Speaker 1: And it's again another festival that's sold out already. It's
2:00:17
Speaker 1: May Night, thirty thousand people. UM really touching on young, millennial,
2:00:22
Speaker 1: millennial African Americans. And you know, we have Megan the
2:00:25
Speaker 1: Stallion and Roddy Rich, you know, the Baby, a lot
2:00:28
Speaker 1: of at Ari Lennox, just a phenomenal lineup. M that's
2:00:32
Speaker 1: a one day event in Washington, d C. As well,
2:00:34
Speaker 1: we have the Exodus Music and Arts Festival with Kurk Franklin,
2:00:37
Speaker 1: Le Andrea Johnson, Donnie m clerkland, the Reunion of Mary
2:00:40
Speaker 1: Barry UM. That's you know Sunday, excuse me, Sunday, May
2:00:44
Speaker 1: twenty four and Dallas, Texas. And we have a slew
2:00:46
Speaker 1: of other shows and partnerships that we are announcing very soon.
2:00:51
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm excited about what we have and
2:00:53
Speaker 1: what we've done since seen. I think we started with
2:00:56
Speaker 1: maybe you know, nine or ten shows in twenty seventeen.
2:01:00
Speaker 1: We started at our will have about fifty shows. Um.
2:01:04
Speaker 1: So that's you know, the power of of of what
2:01:06
Speaker 1: this brand has meant and what it's really done, you know,
2:01:10
Speaker 1: particularly and I would say in black and brown communities
2:01:13
Speaker 1: and music. Oh man, congratulations. Uh and I know you
2:01:16
Speaker 1: slipped in that the reunion of Mary Mary. Now that's
2:01:19
Speaker 1: pretty big. Now you kind of slip that in. Now,
2:01:22
Speaker 1: that's pretty I was trying to get through it all.
2:01:25
Speaker 1: That's why. That's that's that's huge right there, that the
2:01:29
Speaker 1: union Mary Mary got Morning Drive Erica Campbell. That's my
2:01:33
Speaker 1: girl again. Thank you for coming to my show, Brandon.
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2:01:38
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