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E209: I Transitioned 40 Years Ago - Now I Regret Everything w/Walt Heyer | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  1944 my grandmother put me in the dress, told me how cute I
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  was. Affirmation is mind altering.
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  Why was she doing that to you? At that time, there were no
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  words. I didn't even understand there
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  were other people until Christine Jorgensen hit the news
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  in the mid 50s. Army soldier becomes
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  transsexual. So I thought, oh, there's the
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  word. So that becomes an identity.
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  You become aware. Of yeah, I wonder if that's who
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  I am. But there's no other voice
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  saying no, you're not. I decided to go see a gender
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  specialist. Sounds like he was excited to
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  have a candidate that he had run his project.
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  On Yeah, I trashed it all with one ridiculous mistake of
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  allowing somebody to carve me up like a piece of sushi.
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  Hey everybody, welcome back to the Lila Rose show.
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  I'm sitting down today with Walt Hire, who is the in some ways
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  original outspoken D transitioner.
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  He is also someone who has offered free of charge support
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  and counsel to thousands of other individuals who themselves
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  have struggled with what the culture is calling gender
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  dysphoria. In this conversation, Walt
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  shares some really incredible insights.
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  He debunked some of the myths around the transgender issue.
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  He talks about what parents should do if their child may be
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  struggling with what they think is gender dysphoria and so much
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  It means the world to me and I'll see you over at Rose
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  Report. Walt Tyre, welcome to the
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  podcast. Thank you.
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  Thank you. I'm glad to be.
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  I'm so glad you're here. It's really an honor to get you
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  coming in studio. I know all the way from North
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  Carolina. How was the flight?
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  Yeah, it was. It was great, actually good.
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  We're here in today's world, you know, having a great flight is a
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  rarity, so I'm glad to hear that.
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  Yeah, so it's a pleasure to be here.
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  I first saw you, I think I was telling you earlier, over a
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  decade, maybe a decade and a half ago, I first saw your
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  story, I think I went to your website and I was blown away.
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  And I remember thinking, you know, it was around the time
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  that I had first seen, I saw a child actually at a restaurant
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  who was basically being transgender.
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  This was a decade and a half ago, a little boy dressed up as
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  a girl by two men. One of them was a cross dressing
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  man cross dressing as a woman. And I remember Googling this
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  afterwards because I just, my heart was just torn up about
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  this poor child. And I Googled it.
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  They said, oh, there's 17,000 or, you know, several 10s of
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  thousands of trans children. Now we're in a situation where
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  there are this is kind of seize the country and and really the
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  West by storm. Increasingly young people think
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  that they're transgender. So you, you're, you are your
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  voice. Your story on this predates the
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  modern you know, the last decade you've been you've been a
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  prophetic voice in the wilderness on this topic now for
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  a decade and 1/2 or two almost 2 decades.
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  Yeah, definitely. And, and my journey actually
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  started in 1944, eighty years ago.
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  Tell me, tell me about the beginning of your journey.
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  Yeah, in 1944, my grandmother was my babysitter and and she
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  was making women's clothing. And I used to just sit with my
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  arms on her sewing machine watching what she was doing. 4
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  years old, what do I know? And I was very curious about it.
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  So she decided to make me a purple chiffon dress.
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  And she put me in the dress, told me how cute I was, and
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  we're off and running. You know, this is that whole
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  thing where you begin to wonder about who you are.
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  You know, when somebody starts affirming you, affirmation is
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  mind altering. And so her affirmation toward me
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  had me confused about who I was. And so this, she told me, this
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  is a secret. Don't tell your parents.
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  And so this went on for about 2 1/2 years.
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  So you can imagine you got a 2 1/2 year indoctrination into
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  this. At that time, there were no
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  words, right? They didn't even come up with
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  the word transgender that they use and all this stuff.
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  I was just a boy cross dressing, but I was being affected by it
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  to the point to where I got so used to the affirmation that I
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  wanted to wear the women's clothing because because it was
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  making me feel like I had some sense of value.
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  And your parents had no clue that this was happening.
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  And how is that? How didn't they know?
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  Well, because I was at Grandma's house and my parents were off
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  camping and fishing and when they'd come home on the weekend
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  and Take Me Home. But the dress never came up
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  until about 2 1/2 years in I decided I got so accustomed to
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  wearing the dress I snuck it in a brown paper bag in the car and
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  took it home, put it in my bottom dresser drawer so I could
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  experience the cross dressing when I was home.
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  Well, my mom found the dress and boom that that game was over.
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  How old were you at this time? About 6 1/2.
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  The the cross dressing that your relative was doing of you
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  happened for 2 1/2 year period starting at around 4:00 and did
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  you, you know how, how, how many hours would you be at?
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  Your weekend. Grandma's house.
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  Yeah, you know, they dropped me off Friday night and picked me
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  up Sunday afternoon. And why?
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  Why was she doing that to you? You know, I, I, I think she just
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  thought it was benign. She thought it was fun.
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  I wasn't complaining because I had no, no method for
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  complaining. I didn't know the difference,
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  right? I mean, what is a four year old,
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  5 year old, 6 year old kid and they don't know anything.
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  They don't even know what they want for breakfast, let alone
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  you know about wearing a dress and the effects it's going to
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  have on the psyche. It, this is child abuse.
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  Let that sink in. It's emotional and psychological
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  child abuse for anybody to cross dress a boy or cross dress a
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  girl and tell them they can become somebody else, or infer
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  that they can, or suggest they can, or play that they can.
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  This is damaging to the brain and it alters the brain at the
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  level of where our identities are being formed and people
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  don't ever get the proper effective treatment.
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  They need to rewrite the wrongs that were done by a parent or or
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  relative or sometimes even a sibling.
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  Sometimes older siblings are cross dressing their younger
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  siblings. Can 1 instance of cross dressing
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  leave a wound or would you say it has to be?
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  I doubt that. I doubt that.
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  I think it has to be repeated and I think it has to be kind of
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  flourishing where everybody in the family's involved and and
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  you get this going on and so there you are.
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  So I yeah, I don't think 11 incident is going to do it.
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  But you were doing this weekends upon weekends at Grandma's
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  house. Your mother finds the dress in a
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  paper bag. How did she respond?
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  Well, you know, she said, where'd this come from?
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  And I said, well, grandma made it.
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  And so she was very angry. And then when my dad heard that,
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  he exploded and he went totally berserk.
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  But what she was doing to his boy.
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  And so I was never allowed to go back to grandma's house unless
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  the whole family was there. And so even the fact that she
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  told me to keep it a secret and I and the secret was now out, I
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  felt responsible for breaking the secret, like I had done
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  something wrong. So you see, there's another
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  layer of shame and guilt and stuff that went on.
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  And so, and, and I'm causing my parents to fight.
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  That's, that was on me, you know, as a, as a kid, 6 1/2
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  years old, I'm, I'm the one causing this discord in the
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  house. And so there's all of a sudden
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  you've taken on a responsibility as a young child.
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  That's not your responsibility, but that's how it feels.
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  And, and you feel terrible. And I was crying myself to sleep
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  and like, who am I? What am I doing?
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  At 6 1/2 years. Old at 6 1/2 years old.
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  Well, I got to ask, I know I kind of, we were touching on it
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  earlier, but it's, it's, I think it's a big question because it's
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  happening a lot. There's a lot of moms today.
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  I know one through a friend of a friend that are transing their
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  kids or thinking their son is a girl.
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  Their son says he's a girl. So they're dressing them as a
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  girl and the dads are involved and maybe OK with it.
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  But if there's some women that really it becomes this agenda
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  for them to do this. They think they're doing their
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  child a favor. It sounds like your grandmother.
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  Really. It was more than a game for her.
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  She did it every time you came over it sounds like.
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  Yeah, I, yeah, I, I don't, I can't get into her head on it.
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  So I don't know. She drank a lot and I, she
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  seemed to gain some enjoyment out of it.
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  But let me be clear, no parent should ever cross dress their
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  kid and affirm them. And and be, as you say, a mom
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  transing their kid and the mom actually should be taken out of
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  the home and given counseling because the kid is being
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  destroyed by mom. Why do you?
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  Think if you can share and if it's OK if they don't have a
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  hypothesis on this. Why do you think maybe you can't
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  get your grandma's head? But why do you think some women?
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  It seems to be a trend today almost.
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  It's happening more than it's ever happened before.
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  Want to do this? Want to support their very young
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  child, sometimes their two year old in cross dressing.
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  Yeah, because if they bring this up in a conversation among other
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  people, then they can tell you they're smarter than you are
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  because they have a trans kid and they're much more open to
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  things and they they are psychologically helping their
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  child. And the opposite is true.
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  parents found out? Now you go to grandmother only
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  on supervised visits. What happened next in your life?
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  Yeah, well, my dad obviously was.
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  He was a Los Angeles auxiliary policeman.
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  He was a judo expert. He was an industrial salesman.
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  Strong guy, great guy. He decided that he was going to
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  knock the dress out of me with heavy discipline.
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  And so he was giving, I mean, he was laying on some pretty hard
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  discipline with a hardwood floor plank.
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  When I did anything wrong, he was really trying to do like a
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  blacksmith would do to iron that you put in the furnace and then
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  put it on an anvil and then shaping it.
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  He was trying to unshape the damage that Grandma did.
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  He was only causing more damage because it was such severe
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  discipline. But the kicker was his adopted
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  brother, Uncle Fred found out about the purple dress.
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  Uncle Fred was in his teens at the time and he began when I was
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  about 8 years old sexually molesting me because of the
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  dress. So here's the the instruction
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  here for people to listen to is that because of the dress, I was
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  sexually molested. Because of the dress, I was hit
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  with a hardwood floor plank. Because of the dress.
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  I started to wonder who I was. Let that sink in.
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  I think people need to get their head around the fact that, be
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  clear, there is nobody in all of world history that's ever
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  changed their gender. You can't do it.
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  You can change your persona. You can change what you look
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  like. Your biological gender is formed
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  in the womb nine months before you're born, between the egg and
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  the sperm. That's where it starts and it's
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  not changeable. Why does anyone?
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  I can't for the life of me cannot understand how people can
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  even think for a moment that somebody's gender can be
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  changed. It can't happen.
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  It's that part is insane. When your uncle, your teenage
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  uncle, was doing this to you, abusing you, was it kind of a a
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  thing of mockery because the word was out that little Walt
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  was dressing up in a dress? Can you share more about that?
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  I just think for him it was, you know, who knows, but probably
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  just seemed like I was fair game.
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  And so when I told my dad what he was doing, told my mom what I
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  what he was doing, they said, well, Fred would never do that.
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  So they never believed me. I'm so sorry, Walt.
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  Yeah. And so they went to him and he
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  said no, I didn't do it. Of course he's not going to say
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  he did. So then that then the trust
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  issue came in because there was no sense in me trying to share
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  anything with anybody because they weren't going to believe
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  me. So why, Why would I even spend
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  the time and energy trying to share with them something that
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  was happening that was harmful to me?
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  Because they they wouldn't believe me anyway.
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  Was that abuse recurring? It was, yeah.
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  And what would you, what was your kind of feelings deep
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  inside at this time when you felt you couldn't talk to your
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  parents? You're being abused.
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  You have this maybe desire still to did you have a desire still
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  to cross dress? I mean, what was what was the
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  innermost part of Walt like at that time?
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  Yeah, I think the what happens is your feelings go numb and you
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  don't want to be who you are. You don't want to be the person
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  who's been cross dressed it with a hardwood floor plank and
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  sexually abused. You want to be somebody else.
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  I don't want, I didn't want to be the person that was
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  collecting all this stuff before I was 10 years old.
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  So where do you go with that? Was there anyone you felt safe
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  with growing up? No, I'm so sorry.
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  Yeah, so I found that I just had to navigate this stuff on my own
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  and and I didn't even really begin to understand there were
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  other people until Christine Jorgensen hit the news in the
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  mid 50s early, I think 5354, somewhere in there made the
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  headlines. You know, Marine or Army
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  soldier, whatever it was, becomes transsexual.
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  And so I thought, oh, there's, there's the word how?
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  Old were you? That would have been, you know,
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  about 141212 to 14. So that becomes an identity.
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  You become aware of transsexuals and identity.
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  Yeah, I wonder if that's who I am, Right.
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  So that then the message to me is that, yeah, maybe that's who
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  I am, but there's no other no, no other voice saying, no,
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  you're not, right. So you only have this one
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  channel that you're going down, this one lane you're following,
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  but you know the pain. I think there's something called
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  adverse childhood experiences. And adverse childhood
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  experiences cause trauma, and trauma needs to be treated by a
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  trauma therapist. I had suffered a great deal of
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  trauma and I never had any effective sound therapy about
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  it. I was dealing with this on my
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  own. And if you don't get trauma
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  taken care of, it's going to manifest itself in some way.
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  And that's what happened. It manifested itself in a
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  negative way. It ended up what we'll talk
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  about as we go on here. So what happens?
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  You're 14, You hear about transsexual as an identity for
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  the first time, You're already struggling.
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  Yeah. Was was this was the abuse still
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  ongoing at this point? Or no abuse had stopped by the
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  time I was 10 years old. And but I about that time I
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  decided to take on this secret identity I didn't share with
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  anybody called Crystal West. And it was just my way of sort
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  of coping. And I because I felt like I had
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  a radio in my head that just played, there's something wrong
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  with you. You're not right or you're a
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  female, you're this. And so I was battling on the
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  outside. I was purely male, young, small
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  boy, not, not strong, not like a lot of guys that were big,
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  muscular. I was small and not very big
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  today, but so that played a part in it.
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  And so I but taking on Crystal W was just sort of a way for me to
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  have a way to vent or a way to cope with the stress.
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  And so maybe it was a way of dissociation from who I was not
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  wanting to be the person being abused.
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  I could take on this identity that was not getting abused
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  because Crystal West never got cross dressed by anybody, never
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  got hit by anybody and was never molested by anybody.
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  That was that was the safe person in my life.
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  Why the name Crystal West? I don't know.
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  I just one afternoon came up with it.
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  It wasn't too creative. When did you first tell someone
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  about Crystal, WI? Don't remember telling anybody
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  about it. It was like a secret life.
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  Yeah. So when you hit puberty, how did
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  how did how did you handle that? Yeah, I, you know, I, I had a
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  girlfriend, you know, I, I was never, never had any homosexual
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  feeling. Never.
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  That was never an issue with me. I just had a broken identity.
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  And so I had a girlfriend. The first one, I think I was in
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  grammar school when I had a girlfriend.
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  And then all through life I had girlfriends.
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  And so Lola Joy Phipps, is that a cool name?
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  And so she was a redhead. Cool.
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  And, you know, so I was on the outside look very normal.
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  If you went around and listened to me, you'd think he's a normal
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  kid, right? Struggled academically because I
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  had so much confusion. But I looked real normal.
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  I had good friend, boyfriends, girlfriends, you know, I was in
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  groups of guys that were in sports cars, all that sort of
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  stuff. I did all the right stuff, you
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  know, I was on track. I played what they called B
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  football at Eagle Rock High School, so I looked real normal.
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  If someone had asked you at that time, well, are you, are you
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  doing OK? Are you, is something hurting
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  you inside? Do you think they're like, I'm
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  fine like? Yeah, I would have said yeah,
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  because I, I didn't want to let anybody in.
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  You know, it's like if you go back to the time when I told my
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  parents what would happen and how what a big failure that was,
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  I couldn't take that risk again. I couldn't take that risk again
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  that that shut down right there. I couldn't tell anybody.
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  reconcile with you and and you know, apologize for not
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  believing you. Did you end up having that
• 20:43
  conversation later on with your parents?
• 20:45
  No my my father passed away when I was 20 and my mom was actually
• 20:52
  an abuser abused me and and in her entire life to my knowledge
• 20:56
  never told me she loved me. She really didn't want to have
• 20:59
  me. I think that was part of the
• 21:01
  problem. Early 40s for the war was going
• 21:05
  on. They were financially struggling
• 21:09
  and she was kind of an angry teenage girl that my brother
• 21:13
  came before me. So she was only 18 when she had
• 21:17
  my brother and so 20 when she had me.
• 21:21
  So I think there was just too many things coming at her with
• 21:25
  the war money. Yeah.
• 21:28
  And. When you say she never said she
• 21:30
  loved you, she never said those words, ever.
• 21:32
  Or really, is that partly A generational thing?
• 21:37
  You think the the family she came from, they never said it.
• 21:39
  Did you ever? I think she grew up and she had
• 21:42
  her own tough life. And so I look, I look at where
• 21:46
  she came from and go, yeah, I can get that.
• 21:48
  Probably nobody ever told her, told her they loved her.
• 21:53
  So she never, she never experienced that.
• 21:55
  So she never need to pass it on. When you graduate high school,
• 22:00
  what happens next? Yeah, I graduated from high
• 22:03
  school. I went to Pasadena City College
• 22:05
  and started studying electronic drafting.
• 22:09
  I went to work for Libroscope in Burbank, CA and worked on the
• 22:15
  Polaris missile system. I was kind of very determined to
• 22:18
  get into this new age of rockets and stuff.
• 22:23
  And so I was doing electronic drawings and I became what they
• 22:27
  called a design engineer, which was, it started out on the
• 22:32
  drafting table, but I worked up to where I was a design engineer
• 22:35
  on the Apollo space missions. Very cool I.
• 22:38
  Worked on Apollo One in the area of cryogenics and working on the
• 22:42
  connectors and helped helped form the NASA specifications for
• 22:48
  cryogenic connectors in a small group of people.
• 22:51
  I went from there to the automotive industry where I
• 22:53
  worked for American Automotor Company.
• 22:56
  I became the national operations manager at Honda later on in my
• 23:03
  automotive career. So I had, I had a great career,
• 23:06
  you know, but I was struggling with all these things that
• 23:09
  happened. And by the time I got to Honda,
• 23:11
  I was coping with using alcohol and then eventually started
• 23:15
  using cocaine because nothing could kill the pain of the
• 23:19
  purple dress being physically abused and being sexually
• 23:23
  abused. So I was using my own therapy,
• 23:27
  which was drugs and alcohol to try to numb the pain that was
• 23:31
  never resolved. Did you get married?
• 23:33
  I got married at right 1962 so I would have been 22.
• 23:41
  First child came when I was 24, next one came at 28.
• 23:47
  Did she know about your first wife?
• 23:49
  Did she know about anything? That was going on right out
• 23:51
  front. So she knew about the abuse, the
• 23:53
  purple dress, She knew. Yeah, she didn't know about that
• 23:55
  part. I just told her I was
• 23:56
  struggling. Still didn't know what to tell
• 24:00
  people, except I told her I was struggling with this.
• 24:02
  I didn't know where it went. And we, like, both kind of blew
• 24:05
  it off going. You know, once you get married
• 24:07
  and have kids, you know you got a job, everything's cool.
• 24:10
  Did you have a temptation to want to cross dress?
• 24:13
  During that time, yeah, that feeling really never went away.
• 24:17
  But I think this was, this is the thing that's hardest to
• 24:20
  explain is when you've been abused and you've suffered a
• 24:24
  great deal of trauma, you're trying to find ways to escape
• 24:27
  it. And if we can just stop and and
• 24:30
  kind of look at somebody trying to use a different identity as a
• 24:35
  way to escape the pain that the other person felt and that
• 24:39
  there's two containers, one was badly abused, the other was not.
• 24:46
  So at what point did you, you know that first kind of inkling
• 24:49
  when you were 14, you heard that term transsexual for the first
• 24:53
  time. Now you're married, you have two
• 24:55
  kids, your your career is going really, really well.
• 24:57
  You're working on very interesting things.
• 24:59
  You've kind of American dream. You've arrived despite all these
• 25:02
  childhood traumas, but deep down you're still struggling.
• 25:06
  Yeah, see. And that's where the struggle
• 25:08
  really, I, I held it at Bay, but I had to start using alcohol.
• 25:13
  I felt like to numb the pain and I used more and I used more at
• 25:17
  the marriage started struggling. My, my job wasn't struggling as
• 25:21
  much as the marriage was struggling.
• 25:23
  I was drinking on the way home. I was not reliable.
• 25:28
  I even if I drank all night, I still got up and went to work
• 25:31
  the next day. I always was at work.
• 25:34
  I never missed a day of work. I was always steady on.
• 25:37
  The money would come into the house, but I couldn't fix all
• 25:42
  the stuff that had been broken early in my life.
• 25:46
  At what point did you think I want to come out publicly as A
• 25:51
  at what point did it kind of cross your mind that that was an
• 25:54
  option and you felt like that would cure the pain?
• 25:56
  Yeah, going public didn't really happen until I was.
• 26:02
  I decided to go see a gender specialist, which by the way,
• 26:05
  don't ever go to a gender specialist because they only
• 26:08
  have one thing in mind, changing your gender and they they're not
• 26:11
  there to help you, they're there to destroy your life.
• 26:14
  And were you still married at this point?
• 26:15
  I was married. So did she know you were going
• 26:17
  to a gender? Specialist.
• 26:18
  I didn't tell her, you know, I thought, man, I I can solve this
• 26:22
  on my own. I'll go in and find out what's
• 26:23
  going on. Because in your mind, did you
• 26:25
  think, oh, this transsexual thing is why I'm drinking so
• 26:27
  much? Yeah.
• 26:28
  And you thought that's that's ruining my career, it's ruining
• 26:30
  my marriage. Got to fix that.
• 26:32
  Going to go quietly to this counselor.
• 26:33
  Going to solve it. That kind of where?
• 26:35
  You're on. But then he said you had gender
• 26:37
  dysphoria. Now keep in mind, gender
• 26:39
  dysphoria didn't even become a diagnosis until 2013.
• 26:44
  This was in 1981. He said I had gender dysphoria.
• 26:48
  This was the therapist, Doctor Paul Walker, who wrote the
• 26:52
  standards of care that are in existence today.
• 26:54
  This guy was the world leading gender therapist who was my
• 26:59
  director of therapy. How did you find him?
• 27:02
  He was in San Francisco and, and I asked people you know, around
• 27:07
  and they said this guy is the number one guy.
• 27:09
  He this is who you got to see. And that's where you guys were
• 27:11
  living at the time. Yeah, we were living in Sonoma.
• 27:14
  Beautiful. Yeah, in Sonoma.
• 27:17
  So I went to his Union Street office drunk and went in there,
• 27:23
  and he diagnosed me while I was intoxicated with gender
• 27:25
  dysphoria. Was this on a weekend?
• 27:27
  Where, Where? What was?
• 27:28
  That was AI don't remember what day it was and then he said come
• 27:33
  back next week and I went back the next week and he had the
• 27:36
  letter of approval already written for me to have surgery.
• 27:39
  He says you're a candidate for hormones and surgery.
• 27:42
  Sounds like he was excited, yeah, to have a candidate that
• 27:45
  he could run his project on. Yeah, so so I got the letter and
• 27:50
  then I went back and that's when I talked to my wife about it.
• 27:53
  And so then, you know, obviously the the marriage within two
• 27:57
  years totally collapsed and we got divorced and then.
• 28:00
  How did how did you don't mind me asking, how did your wife
• 28:03
  respond when for the first time you show up with this letter and
• 28:07
  it's from a there a counselor who's saying you're going to get
• 28:09
  a surgery and what was the surgery that was being
• 28:11
  recommended? Yeah, you know, gender
• 28:15
  reassignment surgery is what they called it in those days.
• 28:17
  Sex change surgery. That includes castration, right?
• 28:20
  And so you're, you're giving your wife a letter saying this.
• 28:24
  Well. I didn't give her the letter.
• 28:25
  I just told her what he said. And she's, you know, I don't
• 28:28
  think she was surprised because she, she, you know, she knew I
• 28:30
  was struggling. She knew I was coming home
• 28:32
  drunk. She knew I'd had trouble.
• 28:35
  I don't think she knew to the degree of which, how much the
• 28:38
  depth of the struggle was. But I think in many ways she was
• 28:42
  relieved, you know, because it's, she probably started to
• 28:46
  see maybe the light at the end of the tunnel.
• 28:48
  You know, we can dissolve the marriage because I'd been, I'd
• 28:51
  been out of the house, in the house, out of the house, living
• 28:53
  in an apartment back. And so it was chaotic.
• 28:56
  So I think for her, it was kind of a relief.
• 29:00
  And then she quickly got an attorney and had me sign divorce
• 29:05
  papers. And so we were divorced in early
• 29:07
  1983 in January, I believe it was maybe February.
• 29:11
  I had the quote sex change surgery in April.
• 29:18
  April is this April. We're in April.
• 29:21
  How many years ago was that? 1983.
• 29:24
  Wow, what is that? Is that?
• 29:26
  Over. 40 years now. Or over 40 years 40.
• 29:29
  Years now. Wow.
• 29:31
  Yeah. So that was a long time ago, but
• 29:34
  the surgeon who Doctor Biber who did my surgery had already
• 29:37
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• 30:52
  what you experienced. When when we talk about sex
• 30:55
  change surgeries, I think they're a little bit there's a
• 30:58
  little bit of a desensitization around what this actually means.
• 31:01
  Yeah. And so when you're talking about
• 31:03
  a Doctor Who in San Francisco, he was in San Francisco, right?
• 31:06
  This this the. Surgeon was actually in
• 31:08
  Trinidad, Co. The surgeon was in, but he's
• 31:11
  referred by the San Francisco doctor you had mentioned.
• 31:14
  So it's in Colorado. He's done already 3000 of these
• 31:17
  surgeries. Are these men and women?
• 31:20
  All men, All men and So what what do they do?
• 31:22
  They do a castration. Can you share us just briefly
• 31:25
  what this sex change surgery actually?
• 31:27
  Means yeah to to. Because to what you were saying,
• 31:29
  you can't change your sex. Yeah, it it's important for
• 31:32
  people to realize they they don't remove the penis, it's
• 31:36
  remains there. They just invert it.
• 31:40
  So you they're using all the same parts you always had.
• 31:43
  They're just trying to redefine them.
• 31:46
  It's mutilating people. It's barbaric.
• 31:51
  It's it dehumanizes who you are and it destroys your ability to
• 31:58
  function the way God made you to function.
• 32:02
  Dehumanizing and and and actually so destructive.
• 32:06
  When you were preparing to go in for that surgery, how did you
• 32:10
  feel? Well, the actually the first
• 32:12
  time when I went to Trinidad, Co, I was, I'd gone and signed
• 32:17
  into the hospital, sat in the waiting room to go in for the
• 32:20
  surgery. And I left the hospital, got on
• 32:23
  the bus, flew back home, admitted to my wife that I had
• 32:26
  was at the place to have surgery and said I'm not going to do it.
• 32:29
  I really need to get my life back together and not get this
• 32:33
  going. Were you still married at this
• 32:35
  point and were you trying to make it work the.
• 32:38
  I was trying to make it work but.
• 32:40
  How does she respond to that? Yeah, I think she was skeptical,
• 32:44
  but she was not willing to try. But I I think here's the thing
• 32:49
  that when anybody has suffered extensive childhood trauma, we
• 32:55
  need to be really clear about how deep and how long and how
• 33:01
  much therapy that person needs to get right with themselves.
• 33:05
  And it's not an easy fix. And there's a lot that needs to
• 33:08
  be dealt with emotionally and psychologically.
• 33:13
  And so I, I, I want people to understand if you've suffered
• 33:18
  any kind of sexual abuse, physical abuse or emotional
• 33:21
  abuse, you need a trauma therapist.
• 33:23
  You don't need a gender therapist and you need you need
• 33:26
  to commit for long term therapy depending on the extent of of
• 33:31
  what's going on in your life. And you would eventually get
• 33:34
  that therapy later. I would after.
• 33:36
  After after going through. Yeah, after, after the fact.
• 33:40
  Yeah, after being, you know, completely tore up and ripped
• 33:44
  up. And, you know, I was never
• 33:46
  suicidal until after I had the surgery.
• 33:49
  I attempted suicide twice. Let's go back to that time if we
• 33:53
  if we can, and I meant to ask something earlier.
• 33:55
  I'd like to ask you if it's OK is, was faith a part of your
• 34:00
  childhood? Was it a part of your marriage?
• 34:03
  How did you see God during all of this time?
• 34:05
  Yeah, I think, you know, I went to church from the time I was
• 34:07
  seven years old. And so I think, you know,
• 34:11
  there's a lot of us who go to church, church and, and we think
• 34:17
  we're connecting, but we're just going through the motions and
• 34:20
  we're saying the words we're reading, singing the songs and
• 34:23
  but we really, we really haven't connected with the Lord and, and
• 34:29
  giving our life to the Lord, that's a whole different scope
• 34:32
  of things, isn't it? And so throughout my marriage,
• 34:36
  we went to church, we went to Forest Home Christian Conference
• 34:40
  Center in the mountains as a family.
• 34:42
  My kids accepted Jesus. And so we're a family of faith.
• 34:47
  But again, I go back and say this, this happens to people of
• 34:52
  faith because they've they've been damaged.
• 34:57
  And because they're not looking directly into the eyes of Jesus
• 35:01
  Christ, they're looking into the eyes of a gender therapist.
• 35:05
  Jesus is going to help you. The gender therapist is going to
• 35:09
  ruin you. I think also there's more
• 35:11
  awareness and resources than maybe there were, you know,
• 35:14
  30-40, fifty years ago. This was, of course, 4030 to 40
• 35:18
  years ago when you were going back to your wife after that
• 35:21
  first, you know, flying to Colorado for the surgery.
• 35:25
  You just said I can't, I'm not going to do this.
• 35:27
  You left was was your faith a part of that decision at like
• 35:31
  you wanted to have this life of, you know, a faithful husband, a
• 35:34
  a Good Wife, kids. Is that what you was at war with
• 35:37
  inside of you at the time? You know the one thing I always
• 35:39
  I had this picture. I can picture it today.
• 35:41
  I had a picture of myself in a cabin at the edge of a lake.
• 35:45
  You know, staying married to one woman, nice kids, taking care of
• 35:49
  the family, being responsible. And I trashed it all with one
• 35:56
  stupid, ridiculous mistake of allowing somebody to carve me up
• 36:01
  like a piece of sushi. So you went back?
• 36:07
  So. You went back to Colorado.
• 36:11
  About a year and a half later, you know, and so I was just too
• 36:15
  badly damaged. And that's what I see in the
• 36:17
  people I work with. The damage is too extensive and
• 36:21
  we don't go to the right people to get help with, we go to the
• 36:23
  wrong people. And so I that's why I keep
• 36:28
  coming back to it. Don't go to a gender therapist.
• 36:32
  They only have one thing in mind and it is not to help you.
• 36:36
  After you had, you went back to the Colorado, you went for that
• 36:42
  surgery, was the marriage at this point over or was it?
• 36:45
  Yeah, it was, yeah. So you you had you done an
• 36:49
  absolution or a dissolution at this point?
• 36:51
  Yeah, we. It was, we knew it was over.
• 36:53
  You know, I think there was just, it was, it was a terrible
• 36:57
  time because you know, the, the level of pain from the childhood
• 37:02
  and then seeing your career collapse, you know, you're,
• 37:05
  you're going through this stuff because after I had the surgery,
• 37:10
  I was terminated from my great job immediately.
• 37:13
  And why? Because of what I did did.
• 37:17
  You show up to work as a. Dressed as a woman?
• 37:19
  No, I just told them I was doing it and they they gave me a box
• 37:22
  that put your stuff in it. Were eliminating your job.
• 37:24
  See, They didn't want to fire me, they said we've decided to
• 37:27
  eliminate your position in the company so that means we don't
• 37:30
  need you. Clever way of terminating it.
• 37:34
  So within within a few weeks I was homeless and living in a
• 37:39
  park in Long Beach, CA in a pile of vomit.
• 37:42
  What did you think when you went in for that surgery?
• 37:46
  Not the first time when you left, but the second time when
• 37:48
  you actually went through with it?
• 37:49
  What did you think was going to happen afterwards?
• 37:51
  Were you hopeful that your life was going to change for the
• 37:54
  better? You must have been.
• 37:55
  I think I was still trying to get rid of the pain, you know,
• 37:58
  because no one was telling me there was an alternative about
• 38:02
  how to get rid of the the pain. Being sexually abused, being
• 38:06
  physically abused, being emotionally abused.
• 38:10
  My mom admitted to my wife today, not today, but I mean the
• 38:14
  wife I have today. But she admitted before she died
• 38:17
  that she almost killed me and I knew that there was something
• 38:20
  that happened between us. But she.
• 38:23
  When you were what age? Of Round 2.
• 38:27
  Did she try to kill you or you? She just gets so angry that she
• 38:30
  shook me so hard that, you know, she is, you know, shaking
• 38:34
  syndrome. She just lost it.
• 38:37
  And, and I remember things like that and I even confronted her
• 38:41
  about it one time and she said it didn't happen.
• 38:43
  But before she died, she admitted that it did.
• 38:49
  So when you got that sex change surgery, you thought this is
• 38:53
  finally going to resolve this pain inside of me because now
• 38:57
  I'm going to be crystal. I mean, did you assume a name?
• 39:00
  Laura Jensen is the name. Laura Jensen And so, because now
• 39:05
  Laura Jensen, she's a new person.
• 39:07
  This is this Walt. History is not hers.
• 39:10
  That kid is not. This is the real person, Laura,
• 39:13
  and she doesn't have the baggage.
• 39:17
  Which is a total crock because you're still the same person.
• 39:20
  You just change the cover. It's like changing the cover on
• 39:24
  a book. The writing inside still the
• 39:26
  same. And and so we're trying to mask
• 39:32
  the truth, trying to cover up the truth.
• 39:34
  We're not being honest with ourself.
• 39:36
  And so I lived the life for eight years, but during those
• 39:40
  eight years I worked for the FDICI, got federal jobs, I
• 39:46
  worked at the post office. There was never a time when I
• 39:51
  wasn't struggling now. And, and I think it's
• 39:55
  instructive for us to understand, I was still
• 39:56
  struggling because I'd never dealt with being physically
• 39:59
  abused, emotionally abused and psychologically abused.
• 40:02
  And and so when you don't resolve those things, and by the
• 40:07
  way, if you do resolve them, you'll never want to have
• 40:09
  hormones and surgery. Did you feel any short term
• 40:14
  relief after the sex change surgery?
• 40:16
  Yeah. Probably for about 72 hours.
• 40:20
  Like a like a high, like a lot different now.
• 40:23
  Was it physically painful? Yeah, to some degree, but I
• 40:29
  don't think I think it was the whole thing for me was all
• 40:32
  psychological and emotional. And it's just a sad tale when
• 40:38
  you're when you're trying to erase who you are and try to
• 40:44
  become someone you can never become.
• 40:46
  And that's all it is. Well, besides the sex change
• 40:50
  surgery, what are some of the other things that you did around
• 40:53
  that time to achieve transition and what were you doing in those
• 40:57
  that eight-year period to try to really be that, Laura?
• 41:01
  I had, I had face peels, I had all kinds of other chin implants
• 41:05
  and nose surgeries. And I went, I did all these
• 41:09
  crazy things. Sad to say, again, I didn't want
• 41:15
  to be the person who had been abused.
• 41:18
  And so we can't recreate ourself and hormones are not effective
• 41:26
  in changing your gender. Having all the same body parts
• 41:30
  reversed and changed around doesn't change who you are.
• 41:35
  You still have all your same parts.
• 41:37
  They just rearrange them and put them in a different place.
• 41:41
  So the reality of this is how it devalues you, dehumanizes you,
• 41:48
  and destroys you. That's all this.
• 41:50
  That's all the procedures do. Devalue, dehumanize and destroy.
• 41:54
  That's the equation of being a transgender identifying person.
• 41:59
  If someone had met you and I'm sure you know, you're meeting
• 42:01
  people and maybe they were asking this, I don't know.
• 42:04
  But let's say like a few years into that transition process,
• 42:07
  let's say you got the first, you know, facial surgery adjustment
• 42:10
  to try to feminize. And you know, you've obviously
• 42:13
  had this initial sex change surgery get not changing your
• 42:15
  sex, but doing this procedure. And if somebody had said to you
• 42:20
  at that time, are you you're doing this whole thing now.
• 42:23
  You're Laura, you used to be Walt, you don't you're not
• 42:26
  married anymore. If someone had said to you, are
• 42:28
  you happy? Do you feel like you're you're
• 42:30
  you now? What would that Walt at that
• 42:33
  time have? Said, I don't know.
• 42:35
  You know, no one ever posed that question.
• 42:37
  I, I scared everybody. They didn't know what to say to
• 42:40
  me because they, most of the people I ran into had never
• 42:42
  heard of anybody. They didn't know what they were
• 42:44
  doing. They didn't know what they were
• 42:45
  dealing with. And I think people were afraid
• 42:49
  to say anything. And so I scared him, scared him
• 42:55
  straight, I guess, you know, they just couldn't say anything.
• 42:58
  And I, I had a lot of friends who I, I believe were trying to
• 43:02
  help me, but they really didn't know how.
• 43:05
  And it took a long time For me, I think it was after I wrote a
• 43:10
  poem and I was posing it to the Lord.
• 43:13
  It was called Who am I? And I, I was in the poem, which
• 43:18
  got published in Omni magazine many years ago, talked about I'm
• 43:23
  reaching out to you. Are you there for me?
• 43:25
  I need you. My life has been broken and
• 43:27
  scattered across decades. I need you.
• 43:30
  Will you please reach down and help me?
• 43:34
  How many years into the transition were you?
• 43:36
  That was about seven years. And did you hear an answer?
• 43:41
  I didn't and I started going, you know, I had my alcohol and
• 43:46
  drug use and in just a few weeks I'll have 39 years clean and
• 43:51
  sober. Wow.
• 43:52
  And so. That is.
• 43:53
  Awesome. Yeah.
• 43:55
  So congratulations. Well, yeah.
• 43:56
  So I was working with a Christian psychologist on my 4th
• 44:00
  step, which you go in and you go through a whole series of things
• 44:04
  where you do forgiveness to everybody you have blamed for
• 44:08
  your broken life. And so we spent many hours going
• 44:12
  through. I had a list.
• 44:13
  This was. This is why you were still in
• 44:16
  transition. This is you.
• 44:17
  Were so Laura, I had gone back to Walt by now.
• 44:19
  OK, this was like 1990 got it. And so it's getting sober.
• 44:25
  I started in 86 so I'd had about four years of sobriety and so
• 44:31
  I'd written that poem and I didn't hear anything that was
• 44:36
  88. I believe I wrote the poem.
• 44:39
  So two years later, I'm working on my sobriety and and I'm doing
• 44:44
  the four step and I'm in an office with a psychologist and
• 44:50
  we're going through these things, had gone through many of
• 44:52
  the things we just talked about being abused physically,
• 44:55
  emotionally and psychologically. And I'd forgiven each one of
• 44:58
  those people sort of like emptying the junk out of the
• 45:01
  trunk. And at that point, I took time
• 45:04
  to, and that's what the one thing that about sobriety, you
• 45:08
  go through this and you begin to take responsibility for your
• 45:10
  life and don't blame anybody. And that's what I was cleaning
• 45:14
  up in the four step. So I forgave everybody.
• 45:17
  I took full responsibility for what happened in my life.
• 45:21
  And we went outside his office after hours.
• 45:24
  I had all this stuff written down into the parking lot, and
• 45:29
  he took a match to the paper that I had all these things
• 45:32
  written down on. And he lit a match to burn them
• 45:36
  up. And they burned up and went
• 45:40
  away. The wind just carried it away.
• 45:42
  And he said, patted me on the shoulder.
• 45:44
  He says, come on now. We need to go pray about what
• 45:46
  happened. And this guy is one of those
• 45:49
  people who prays forever. And I thought, I've already
• 45:51
  spent 2 1/2 hours with you. And it's like, I really don't,
• 45:54
  you know, I didn't tell him this, but in my head, I'm going.
• 45:56
  I'm prayed up. I'm prayed up.
• 45:58
  It's like we've been, you know, we prayed about all this.
• 46:00
  I don't know if I want to do this.
• 46:01
  And and he said we got to pray about it and I'm oh, I don't
• 46:04
  know. He said, yeah, come on.
• 46:05
  So he got me to come back to his office.
• 46:08
  He said across from me, we started praying and I, I was so
• 46:12
  tired. I, I was just listening to him,
• 46:14
  but I wasn't connecting with the prayer.
• 46:17
  And he kept praying and he kept praying and he kept praying and
• 46:21
  I'm going, Oh my gosh, how long is this going to last?
• 46:25
  And I was starting to feel bad about the fact that I couldn't
• 46:28
  connect, you know, and all of a sudden I couldn't hear him and
• 46:32
  his voice went silent. And, and I looked up and I saw
• 46:38
  the Lord Jesus. And the Lord Jesus was coming
• 46:41
  down and in front of me there was a little baby I could see.
• 46:46
  And the baby that was there was me.
• 46:50
  And the Lord was coming down and picked up that baby, held that
• 46:54
  baby in his arms, turned to me and looked at me and said, you
• 46:57
  are now safe with me forever. And he disappeared.
• 47:00
  And the prayer was over. That was the day that it was
• 47:03
  redeemed and restored to Jesus Christ.
• 47:06
  I've never. Looked back, beautiful.
• 47:11
  Wow, he loves you so much. Yeah, so I've been serving him
• 47:19
  ever since. I'm still in his arms today.
• 47:21
  You're doing a great job. He's done a great work in me and
• 47:29
  just keeps me going. So I'm I'm thrilled that he came
• 47:33
  that day in a prayer that I didn't want to have.
• 47:37
  I was tired and I didn't want to pray.
• 47:41
  But he came not because I invited him, because I'd written
• 47:46
  a poem two years earlier and he just answered the poem two years
• 47:51
  later. Wow, how many years ago was
• 47:58
  that, Walt? Well, 1990, 3535 years ago,
• 48:06
  yeah, so. And since then, I'm married 28
• 48:10
  years, sober 39 years, and been in helping people for over 20
• 48:17
  years find their way back to Christ.
• 48:20
  And if they didn't find their way back to Christ, at least
• 48:23
  they were able to find their way out of identifying as a person
• 48:27
  they're not and found their true identity, which is how God made
• 48:31
  them to function and be how He made them.
• 48:36
  I'm excited to talk to you more about that ministry because it's
• 48:39
  incredible. Thank you.
• 48:41
  I want to ask you one more question on the timeline here
• 48:44
  because I think it's it's very educational for people.
• 48:48
  You have this amazing encounter with our Lord Jesus Christ
• 48:51
  changes you forever. He loves you so much.
• 48:54
  He loves us so much. Before that you had this, it was
• 48:57
  at 8 years in the wilderness identifying as Laura and you
• 49:02
  towards the end of that. I'm curious, you know, you're
• 49:04
  still in hurting inside a lot like you were sharing.
• 49:07
  What was it that helped you start to identify again as Walt
• 49:10
  and leave? But there was a huge battle
• 49:13
  inside of me, and so I was literally switching back and
• 49:17
  forth from Laura to Walt four or five times a day.
• 49:23
  This was the whole time of the eight years or more.
• 49:25
  No, just toward the end there was this sort of crescendo of
• 49:30
  things happening after the the poem and after attempting
• 49:34
  suicide. All kinds of things were
• 49:37
  happening. I mean, I was struggling.
• 49:39
  I was trying to fight back, but the enemy was stronger than I
• 49:42
  was and I was battling. And so is this.
• 49:45
  I'd be Walt, I'd be going down the road.
• 49:47
  I'd pull into a gas station and change back to Laura.
• 49:50
  I'd leave the gas station and go an hour and change again.
• 49:53
  So I didn't, I mean, I was going through turmoil about who I was
• 49:57
  and. Is that, excuse me, not to
• 50:00
  interrupt here, but you mentioned the suicide, the
• 50:02
  attempted suicide, Was that during this period?
• 50:06
  So you attempted suicide while you were going back and forth
• 50:09
  between the identities. Yeah.
• 50:11
  And, and and was there one suicide attempt attempt?
• 50:15
  There were two suicide attempts. Can you share the circumstances
• 50:19
  around those? Yeah, well, the first one was
• 50:22
  kind of early on in this process, probably less than a
• 50:26
  year, and I tried to overdose on cocaine and I really was in bad
• 50:34
  shape. But the Lord goes, no, not
• 50:37
  coming home yet. And so the next time was several
• 50:41
  years later when I was on top of a building getting ready to
• 50:45
  jump, and they called the police, and the police came and
• 50:48
  got me down and actually took me to jail.
• 50:53
  But it was after that that I wrote the poem Who Am I?
• 50:57
  And so from that point on, I was in even greater turmoil because
• 51:03
  I think I was really trying to kill Walt and Laura.
• 51:09
  I didn't want either one of them.
• 51:10
  I didn't know where I was going. And so, you know, one would come
• 51:17
  out and the other would come out.
• 51:18
  And so I, I ended up going to therapy sometimes four times a
• 51:23
  week, or I had people that would make made that possible because
• 51:29
  I couldn't afford it. But there are people around me
• 51:32
  in the church I was going to that made it possible for me to
• 51:35
  see a therapist frequently, which probably saved my life.
• 51:40
  But so going through that and then getting that time with the
• 51:46
  the the therapist where the Lord came, then that's when things
• 51:51
  changed. And then everything was behind
• 51:53
  me. The four steps you mentioned,
• 51:56
  you know, going through that process with this with your, was
• 51:59
  it a therapist or that was doing that process with you and he was
• 52:02
  a sponsor. He was a Christian therapist.
• 52:04
  What was the, I mean, what you described earlier was
• 52:07
  incredible. This process of, you know, the
• 52:09
  forgiveness and prayer and then this encounter with Jesus
• 52:13
  Christ. What would you say were the two
• 52:14
  or three things that you did in therapy during that period that
• 52:19
  helped you break free from the this false identity of Laura and
• 52:24
  that helped you heal that emotional, psychological, sexual
• 52:28
  abuse that you had endured? Yeah, definitely stopped blaming
• 52:31
  people and realizing that you're the only one responsible for
• 52:36
  what's going on. If you want to see the person
• 52:38
  that's causing you the biggest problem in your life, look in
• 52:41
  the mirror and you'll find them because there's nobody else but
• 52:45
  the one you're looking at. And I learned that in therapy,
• 52:48
  and I learned that from a A. And so I I can only change
• 52:53
  myself. I can't change other people.
• 52:55
  And if I'm going to find my way out of this, I need to, I need
• 53:00
  to work on myself, not other people.
• 53:02
  And so when I did that that day, I didn't realize that he'd been
• 53:07
  preparing me for two years since I wrote the poem for that day.
• 53:11
  And so there was a lot of stuff that I went through and, and in
• 53:17
  that process, again, I think it's instructive for us to hear.
• 53:22
  It took me two years, right? Two years of therapy.
• 53:25
  Well, two years of recognizing that I needed it wasn't two
• 53:29
  years of therapy. I was probably in therapy longer
• 53:31
  than that, actually, but there was some a much deeper intense
• 53:35
  therapy toward the end when the Lord came.
• 53:38
  But I was giving, you know, I was giving up alcohol, right?
• 53:41
  I mean, I didn't have my crutch. I didn't have drugs, I didn't
• 53:45
  have the numbing anymore. I was just facing life head on
• 53:49
  and I was now facing life head on with the Lord Jesus Christ as
• 53:53
  my backbone in my heart and my soul.
• 53:57
  And that's something that you just can't.
• 54:00
  There's just nothing better. There's a kind of therapy EMDR
• 54:07
  that a lot of folks say is very powerful in treating trauma
• 54:12
  right. Did you ever use EMDR?
• 54:14
  I didn't use EMDR therapy, no. There's a kind of therapy that
• 54:19
  it sounds like it you effectively did it, you know,
• 54:21
  supernaturally God did it with you of also going back in time
• 54:25
  and going to the scenarios of the abuse, the scenario, the
• 54:29
  events that were so painful and looking at that child, typically
• 54:35
  that is enduring that abuse and responding with what that child
• 54:39
  should have been given as opposed to the abuse that that
• 54:42
  child endured. Absolutely.
• 54:45
  That was something that you worked on with therapists as
• 54:47
  part of your process. And that does take time, right?
• 54:51
  And that's gut wrenching work right there.
• 54:52
  And. It and one session typically
• 54:55
  doesn't do it, although I've heard people say that one
• 54:57
  session they've been able to do it.
• 54:59
  Wow. So you just can't underestimate
• 55:02
  how some people can process it and how some people can be do
• 55:06
  very good with EMDR therapy and other people don't.
• 55:09
  So I think it's a matter of if one therapy doesn't work, try
• 55:13
  another one. Right.
• 55:15
  I wanted to ask too about the impact.
• 55:18
  You mentioned your marriage. You mentioned the separation,
• 55:21
  the dissolution of that marriage.
• 55:23
  You also had two kids during this time.
• 55:25
  How old were they when you started transitioning?
• 55:28
  Probably 12 and 15 or somewhere in that.
• 55:33
  Neighborhood boy and girl. Yeah.
• 55:35
  How did they receive your transition?
• 55:37
  Well, my son, when he was 12, had an interesting response.
• 55:43
  He said. Yeah, I, I, I understand what
• 55:46
  you're trying to do outside, but I know who you are inside.
• 55:51
  You're my dad, yeah. And so my daughter just shut
• 55:56
  down and it really, really hurt her deeply because we were
• 56:02
  really close. And thankfully, we're close
• 56:05
  today. But yeah, I I think any father
• 56:11
  who does this and I say does this to their children.
• 56:16
  Does what transition? Yeah, I mean.
• 56:18
  Becomes a woman. Yeah, not.
• 56:20
  You're not becoming a woman. You're destroying your family.
• 56:24
  You know you're going to regret it deeply.
• 56:29
  And if you have a heart and soul, let me tell you, your kids
• 56:33
  and your wife are a lot more important than you are.
• 56:37
  Or a dress or putting on makeup or your little red pumps.
• 56:41
  Forget it. Your kids are a million times
• 56:44
  more important than anything you could ever do to, you know, look
• 56:48
  like a woman. Skip it.
• 56:51
  Selfish. Stop being selfish and realize
• 56:55
  that your kids need you and that's who you need to work on
• 56:58
  is with your children. There's a number of
• 57:02
  personalities, public figures who or biological are men,
• 57:08
  biological men and they transitioned become they're
• 57:11
  saying they're women, transgender women.
• 57:14
  They have children. And you know, there's one
• 57:17
  example is Bruce Jenner, you know, now called Caitlyn Jenner,
• 57:21
  obviously the father of multiple Jenner children, I think a son
• 57:25
  and multiple daughters. You know, I think he says or she
• 57:29
  says, you know, she says she's she's a he, but he says we have
• 57:33
  a good relationship. You know, some of the Kardashian
• 57:36
  Jenner girls, one of them, I think it was Kylie was
• 57:39
  expressing, she felt uncomfortable, like is this is
• 57:42
  still dad, but now it's mom. But I ought to have a mom.
• 57:45
  And I think. But the general kind of media
• 57:47
  story of the of Bruce Jenner's transition was everyone's OK in
• 57:51
  the end, there's a little discomfort.
• 57:53
  But now finally, Caitlin is living her real, you know,
• 57:56
  identity. Do you buy that narrative?
• 57:59
  I think people will, you know, around Jenner, learn to cope
• 58:04
  with it, but, you know, deep down inside, nobody's really
• 58:07
  talking about how they really feel, right?
• 58:10
  Because it's not. You're not going to gain any
• 58:14
  friends by saying my dad's an idiot and I don't like what he's
• 58:18
  done. And it's really harmed me.
• 58:20
  I think we need to understand that people are doing things in
• 58:24
  an effort to try not to create any discord in the family.
• 58:29
  So I think there's a lot of people making up things.
• 58:33
  And, you know, if you look at Diane Sawyer's interview with
• 58:37
  Jenner, he talked about after going for facial surgery, talked
• 58:41
  about he paced the floor all night thinking about committing
• 58:45
  suicide. That's that's in the Diane
• 58:48
  Sawyer Bruce Jenner film. And so I think everybody comes
• 58:54
  to this precipice where they don't they they're struggling.
• 58:59
  But Jenner is not a female. Sorry, Jenner's still Bruce.
• 59:05
  Well, he identifies, and I think that's a clear distinction.
• 59:09
  You can identify as a transgender.
• 59:12
  You can never become one. I want to show you a video of
• 59:18
  one of these sort of public figure slash influencers.
• 59:22
  There's multiple now, you know, figures like, you know, Bruce
• 59:26
  Jenner, but there's others as well who are kind of Instagram,
• 59:29
  social media influencers, TikTok influencers where they're men
• 59:32
  that transition. And so they're very much, you
• 59:35
  know, presenting in a feminine way.
• 59:37
  Several of these people are married, two women have
• 59:40
  children. And their whole narrative is
• 59:42
  everybody's happy and my true self.
• 59:44
  Now look how great we are. I want to get your thoughts on
• 59:46
  this one. This is a popular TikTok and IG
• 59:51
  influencer here. Now it says, I see that my life
• 59:54
  has unfolded just as it was meant to be.
• 59:56
  And obviously there's this beautiful soundtrack.
• 59:58
  They take these beautiful images and you know, we're playing this
• 1:00:01
  for the podcast listeners for if you're listening on audio right
• 1:00:04
  now, there's these like beautiful images.
• 1:00:06
  Him and a very cute little boy, sweet little boy, you know,
• 1:00:08
  marries this lovely woman, has these beautiful kids.
• 1:00:11
  And all of a sudden, BAM, he's dressed as a woman, long hair
• 1:00:13
  now and he's saying we're all so happy now.
• 1:00:16
  What, what do you make of this? I mean, based on your experience
• 1:00:18
  and all of the research you've done on this now the the
• 1:00:20
  thousands of people you've counseled, what, what do you
• 1:00:23
  make of that? Well, this is just one chapter.
• 1:00:27
  It's not the final chapter. If we this is where they are at
• 1:00:31
  this point. But we don't know if the
• 1:00:34
  person's suffering from autogynophilia, they're
• 1:00:37
  suffering from body dysmorphia. If they're doing it just because
• 1:00:41
  they make a lot of money off of TikTok.
• 1:00:43
  Some of these people are doing it just for the money as they
• 1:00:46
  get a lot of money off of it. So I don't have those answers.
• 1:00:50
  I just know that if you were to take the time to sit down with
• 1:00:54
  the individual and look at their life, you would find out that
• 1:00:58
  something happened early in their life that caused them to
• 1:01:02
  not like who they are. And if you spend time addressing
• 1:01:06
  what that issue is and spend time in resolving what caused
• 1:01:10
  them to not like who they are, they wouldn't be doing this.
• 1:01:13
  And so, you know, the final chapter is going to be 20 years
• 1:01:18
  from now. Tell me what it's like.
• 1:01:20
  Tell me what the kids are saying.
• 1:01:23
  He. Says on his account my kids are
• 1:01:26
  so happy and he has videos. He films videos of his children,
• 1:01:31
  very young children. I think 1 is maybe six years
• 1:01:34
  old. Yeah.
• 1:01:35
  Now it's still my I I even call Mama now, not Papa, I mean.
• 1:01:39
  And they said he's putting him on the Internet for the whole
• 1:01:42
  world to. Show this is just way too
• 1:01:43
  painful for me because the the the kids are being traumatized,
• 1:01:49
  they're being abused. The kids of the man who says
• 1:01:53
  he's a woman. Abusing those children.
• 1:01:55
  This is child abuse, pure and simple.
• 1:01:59
  This is not this. He's playing a game and
• 1:02:02
  destroying kids identities during kids lives.
• 1:02:06
  He's he's in it for himself. It is all about him.
• 1:02:11
  It's all about him. This is empowerment, narcissism.
• 1:02:15
  He's narcissistic and he doesn't really care about what happens
• 1:02:19
  to other people, only about what happens to him.
• 1:02:22
  Everything is me, me, me. Nothing about the effects on
• 1:02:26
  other people. This to me is tragic.
• 1:02:29
  It actually makes me ill to see these people do this.
• 1:02:32
  They're making a lot of money off of it.
• 1:02:34
  One thing you won't find me on TikTok or anything else is
• 1:02:37
  because I don't, you know, I just speak the truth.
• 1:02:40
  I'm not out for the money. You're talking, we're talking
• 1:02:44
  earlier about that. You're, it's a nonprofit and
• 1:02:46
  you, you count, you've counseled thousands of people, giving them
• 1:02:49
  advice, flew out to meet with them, and you do that for free.
• 1:02:52
  It's just out of love. Absolutely.
• 1:02:55
  You mentioned autoguidophilia. Yeah, there's someone like, you
• 1:03:00
  know, Rachel Levine is the name that he uses now, but was, you
• 1:03:04
  know, decorated military leader that it was actually given an
• 1:03:09
  appointment by President Biden, you know, infamously, famously,
• 1:03:14
  everyone say it obviously mentioned Bruce Jenner.
• 1:03:16
  Are there many others? Leah, Leah.
• 1:03:22
  Thomas, There's Leah Thomas there's, I think if we can
• 1:03:25
  follow Leah Thomas, probably one of the few people with good
• 1:03:29
  courage, bad manners, but good courage came out and said I'm
• 1:03:35
  autogynophilia actually put it on a social platform.
• 1:03:39
  And I think that's being honest and I think that's important
• 1:03:45
  that this manifest itself. What is autogynophilia?
• 1:03:49
  OK, a guy becomes dressed in women's clothing and looks in
• 1:03:54
  the mirror and what he sees in the mirror is the object of his
• 1:03:59
  sexual affection. He becomes sexually aroused.
• 1:04:01
  They made a movie on it. It was called The Danish Girl
• 1:04:06
  and you can go look at the movie.
• 1:04:07
  You can see Otto genophilia depicted in The Danish Girl and
• 1:04:12
  it talks about one of the first surgeries that was ever done to
• 1:04:16
  quote transition a male to a female and that individual in
• 1:04:20
  the story in the movie accurately portrayed the person
• 1:04:23
  dying from surgery. From the sex change surgery.
• 1:04:29
  From attempting a sex. Nobody has a sex change.
• 1:04:32
  But yeah, so I think, you know, there's, you know, the history.
• 1:04:37
  Even Doctor Charles L Ellenfeld was at the Harry Benjamin Clinic
• 1:04:42
  in the 70s, was the endocrinologist at the clinic,
• 1:04:47
  worked there for six years, administering hormones to over
• 1:04:49
  500 men who were transitioning. Quote, that's their word, not
• 1:04:54
  mine. And he was speaking to
• 1:04:57
  clinicians in Tappan, NY in 79. And he says, I'm going into
• 1:05:02
  psychiatry because these people have much deeper psychological
• 1:05:06
  issues that need to be addressed that you can't.
• 1:05:09
  You're not helping them with giving them hormones because
• 1:05:13
  what I have seen is too much unhappiness and too many of them
• 1:05:17
  end in suicide. Even after transition.
• 1:05:22
  AS 19 times more likely to die by suicide after you take
• 1:05:27
  hormones and have surgery. 19 times higher incidence of
• 1:05:32
  suicide after you take hormones and have surgery.
• 1:05:36
  But people say you, they lie, they say you need to take they
• 1:05:39
  lie in surgery, otherwise you will commit suicide.
• 1:05:41
  No, it's totally. And they flip everything upside
• 1:05:44
  down. They say you change genders.
• 1:05:46
  Nobody's ever changed genders. Nobody.
• 1:05:49
  So the you're saying the research shows that you're 19
• 1:05:52
  times more likely to commit suicide if you are struggling
• 1:05:57
  with gender dysphoria and you have the surgery and you have
• 1:06:00
  the hormones, it makes you more likely to commit suicide.
• 1:06:03
  Yeah. Wow.
• 1:06:05
  Yeah, it's documented. Sweden, they track everybody for
• 1:06:09
  over 30 years because it's medicine that they do government
• 1:06:14
  wise. So they have everybody's
• 1:06:15
  records. And their records show that the
• 1:06:18
  people they helped with hormones and surgery were 19 times more
• 1:06:22
  likely to commit suicide attempt suicide than the people that
• 1:06:25
  didn't have hormones and surgery.
• 1:06:28
  Further, the University in of Birmingham in the UK did an
• 1:06:33
  extensive study in 2004. It was published in the UK
• 1:06:37
  Guardian, which is no right wing magazine that the headline says
• 1:06:42
  sex change surgeries are ineffective, say researchers in
• 1:06:46
  the third paragraph. It also echoes the fact that the
• 1:06:50
  people who've gone through hormones and surgery are
• 1:06:53
  traumatized, quote, traumatized to the point of suicide after
• 1:06:58
  sex change surgery at some point.
• 1:07:02
  So these are not I'm just telling you what the research is
• 1:07:05
  showing. And we know that if they, you
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  know, I've worked with, as I've said, thousands of people,
• 1:07:12
  including myself. I have never been counted among
• 1:07:15
  the people who had unsuccessful or regretted.
• 1:07:22
  I'm not a regretter. According to them, I don't
• 1:07:24
  exist. So they don't count regretters
• 1:07:27
  to keep the numbers low. I don't know anybody that I've
• 1:07:31
  worked with that's ever been counted among the group who had
• 1:07:35
  a regrettable outcome. So if you don't count them, you
• 1:07:38
  can keep the numbers pretty low. Have you heard of Jazz Jennings?
• 1:07:43
  Yeah, yeah, that's a sad story. Follow that.
• 1:07:47
  That's a mess. I mean, that speaks for itself.
• 1:07:53
  Speaks for itself. Yeah.
• 1:07:56
  I mean, the person's life's been destroyed by it.
• 1:08:01
  There's nothing good about that. Why would you, man?
• 1:08:04
  It is. That's painful.
• 1:08:06
  And the surgeon who did the surgery has done a lot of
• 1:08:12
  surgeries and makes 1.3 million a year doing the surgeries.
• 1:08:18
  I've had people contact me saying that they did the surgery
• 1:08:21
  and it and it was terrible and want me to help him so.
• 1:08:25
  I think Jazz was how old? I mean, he had a number.
• 1:08:28
  He was, he was put on hormone block, puberty blockers.
• 1:08:32
  I mean they started cross dressing him when he was maybe 5
• 1:08:35
  or 6, right? Little boy, little kid.
• 1:08:38
  And then they did a reality show on him and he's being cross
• 1:08:42
  dressed. Put the hormone blockers on.
• 1:08:44
  They have, they have, they're injecting him in the doctor's
• 1:08:47
  office. He's like 11 or 12 I think.
• 1:08:49
  And then they go in at forecast, you know, not you, like you
• 1:08:52
  said, not castration per SE, but they called bottom surgery when
• 1:08:55
  he's, I don't know, he was 15 or 16 years old.
• 1:08:59
  Yeah, this is Frankenstein stuff.
• 1:09:02
  The Frankenstein monster. We're just making
• 1:09:04
  Frankenstein's. How many people have reached out
• 1:09:08
  to you since you first shared your story over?
• 1:09:11
  Is it been 30-30 years now since you first shared?
• 1:09:14
  Shared it was probably, I don't know, 20 years ago.
• 1:09:18
  I guess I have no. Idea publicly, it's been, it's
• 1:09:20
  been about a couple decades. Yeah, about 20 years.
• 1:09:23
  How many people have reached out to, would you say?
• 1:09:25
  I don't even know. Thousands.
• 1:09:27
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:09:29
  And thankfully some of the people who are thinking about
• 1:09:33
  doing it saw my story and wrote me and said, I don't even need
• 1:09:36
  to talk to you because I just heard what I need to know.
• 1:09:40
  I'm not going to do it. And I've had the occasion to
• 1:09:43
  talk to people on the phone that were thinking about doing it.
• 1:09:46
  And they actually told me, thanks, I think you saved my
• 1:09:49
  life so. I bet there's and there's for
• 1:09:53
  everyone that sends you that e-mail.
• 1:09:56
  Oh yeah, same thing. You.
• 1:09:59
  You helped persuade them not to do this.
• 1:10:01
  Yeah, I, I've, I've had that happen where people have run
• 1:10:04
  across. I was at an NRB conference in
• 1:10:07
  Tennessee and somebody ran across room and said, Oh my
• 1:10:09
  gosh, you're helping so many people in South Africa.
• 1:10:12
  What do you mean? I've never even been there.
• 1:10:14
  And they said, oh, yeah, but we use your videos and it really
• 1:10:18
  helps people. So, you know, I, I just know
• 1:10:22
  that this is insane to tell somebody they can change.
• 1:10:28
  It's a lie that they can change their gender.
• 1:10:31
  They can't do it. If we could, why are we even
• 1:10:36
  using the terminology transgender?
• 1:10:39
  Because because there's people on the left that want you to use
• 1:10:43
  it. Because if you use the word
• 1:10:45
  transgender, then it sounds like somebody changed their gender.
• 1:10:50
  And so that's why they love people who say I'm a
• 1:10:52
  detransitioner because then it effectively says, oh, we really
• 1:10:58
  did change them from male to female or female to male,
• 1:11:02
  because now they're D transitioning.
• 1:11:04
  I don't even use those terms. To me, there are no D
• 1:11:07
  transitioners. There are no transitioners.
• 1:11:10
  The people don't have gender dysphoria and there's no such
• 1:11:13
  thing as a transgender. There are people who struggle
• 1:11:17
  with their identity. And if we spend time digging
• 1:11:20
  into what happened that caused them to not like who they are,
• 1:11:23
  we will find out what happened. And you talked about EMDR
• 1:11:27
  therapy and this one of the best examples.
• 1:11:29
  I've got a lot of them. But one of the best examples, a
• 1:11:32
  guy's 73 years old and he's writing me and he says I have a
• 1:11:37
  gender therapist I've been going to for years.
• 1:11:40
  I at 13, I started identifying as a female.
• 1:11:43
  I'm transgender. I transitioned.
• 1:11:46
  I did all this stuff and he said, I looked at your website
• 1:11:51
  and I'm just curious what you have to say.
• 1:11:53
  And so I wrote him back and I said, well, and I did.
• 1:11:56
  I wrote him back. This is exact words.
• 1:11:58
  Your therapist is a quack. You've never transitioned.
• 1:12:02
  You're not a transgender, and I doubt that you have gender
• 1:12:05
  dysphoria. If you're going to work with me,
• 1:12:06
  we're going to find out what really happened.
• 1:12:09
  And so he wrote back and he said, well, that's interesting.
• 1:12:11
  What do you want to know? I said, you, you started to have
• 1:12:14
  these feelings when you were thirteen years old.
• 1:12:17
  Tell me also, I want to know is what happened when you were 13?
• 1:12:20
  Tell me what was going on in your life, what your atmosphere
• 1:12:23
  of your life in your home? What was it like?
• 1:12:26
  He wrote back and said, my mom was a raging alcoholic.
• 1:12:29
  She would get a butcher knife and chase my dad around the
• 1:12:32
  house trying to murder him about three times a week.
• 1:12:36
  I wrote him back and said, I'm not a therapist, not a doctor,
• 1:12:40
  but it sounds like that's trauma and you need a trauma therapist.
• 1:12:45
  And I said, so the next time you go for therapy, tell your gender
• 1:12:49
  therapist you need a trauma. This is a true story trauma
• 1:12:53
  therapist and not a gender therapist.
• 1:12:55
  And Walt Hire told me to tell you that.
• 1:12:57
  And she goes, well, I'll find out if Walt Hire is right or
• 1:13:00
  not. I'll test you on the trauma
• 1:13:02
  scale, is, she said. Because I'm also a trauma
• 1:13:06
  therapist. The gender specialist.
• 1:13:09
  The gender specialist was a trauma therapist so now I've
• 1:13:13
  been collecting 225 bucks a week for years without ever asking
• 1:13:16
  any questions. Did the Did the gender therapist
• 1:13:19
  even know about the butcher knife and.
• 1:13:20
  They don't ever ask. What at what point did did he
• 1:13:24
  actually get asked question Actually asked questions about
• 1:13:26
  the butcher knife then? She never asked.
• 1:13:28
  She never even did, even though so.
• 1:13:30
  You're saying they don't ever, they don't ever go there?
• 1:13:32
  Well, what ended up happening with the with the girl?
• 1:13:34
  Well, so he goes in and she says, OK, we'll, I'll test you
• 1:13:38
  in on the Asus scale and you're 7 out of 10.
• 1:13:42
  He's right. You're very high on the trauma
• 1:13:44
  scale. Instead of doing the usual
• 1:13:47
  therapy, we're going to do EMDR therapy, which you mentioned,
• 1:13:50
  which I don't advocate for any kind of therapy because I don't
• 1:13:53
  know. But she said, but it's going to
• 1:13:55
  be a longer session, we're going to do EMDR therapy.
• 1:13:58
  And so he's writing me back a couple of days later.
• 1:14:01
  And he said, usually my sessions were a lot of fun.
• 1:14:04
  I enjoyed them, but this was painful.
• 1:14:06
  It was hard, it was difficult. But won't they want you to know
• 1:14:10
  something? Here's his word.
• 1:14:11
  It's not mine. Him.
• 1:14:12
  Free one session of EMDR therapy, 73 years old, 60 years
• 1:14:20
  of history. He's free. 60 years of misery
• 1:14:24
  solved in one session because I asked what happened.
• 1:14:29
  Did he go back to his true identity?
• 1:14:32
  Yeah, was the gender therapist. Matt, Where's my girl, I mean.
• 1:14:37
  You know, he I kept writing him every week.
• 1:14:39
  Are you still OK? And he'd write back and say,
• 1:14:41
  yeah, I'm fine. I'm telling you I'm free.
• 1:14:43
  I did it for an entire month. I said, I'd like to tell your
• 1:14:46
  story. And he got angry.
• 1:14:48
  He said, I'm so angry about this whole thing, about where they
• 1:14:51
  keep you bound to this whole ideal, this ideology, and you
• 1:14:56
  can't get out. And he said, I just appreciate
• 1:14:58
  you telling me, but I, I want nothing to do with this anymore.
• 1:15:01
  I mean, he was angry. Wow.
• 1:15:03
  And he didn't want, he didn't want anybody to know that he'd
• 1:15:05
  gone through that for 60 years for nothing.
• 1:15:09
  What has been the most one of the most surprising inquiries
• 1:15:13
  you've gotten from somebody around this issue?
• 1:15:16
  Yeah, probably the most surprising one was recently
• 1:15:19
  somebody wrote me there, they had scheduled the surgery.
• 1:15:25
  Man or woman? Man, wife contacted me and I
• 1:15:28
  went through the thing about auto gyneophilia.
• 1:15:30
  She said I don't know, you know, he's pretty secretive about his
• 1:15:33
  stuff. And so she said he wants to talk
• 1:15:39
  to you though. He said, you know, 1% chance.
• 1:15:42
  He said that you have to, to straighten him out.
• 1:15:44
  That's how much a chance he gave me.
• 1:15:46
  And so he wrote me and we went back and forth and I said if you
• 1:15:50
  had any trauma in your life and he said no, none whatsoever.
• 1:15:53
  I my life has been fine. He said I started wearing
• 1:15:56
  women's underwear when I was 4. And he said, where did he get
• 1:15:59
  women's underwear? From his sister.
• 1:16:01
  And so he said, I knew I had gender dysphoria from the time I
• 1:16:06
  was 4. So he's locked into this.
• 1:16:09
  So I went back and forth and I kept saying, you sure there
• 1:16:12
  wasn't some trauma in your life? And he said, no, I'm telling you
• 1:16:14
  there was no trauma. And I, I kind of, I just felt
• 1:16:17
  like he was so adamant about it that there had to be.
• 1:16:21
  And so I, I said, well, I'm going to is it OK if I write to
• 1:16:25
  your wife? He said yeah.
• 1:16:26
  And he agreed to it. So I wrote his wife and said,
• 1:16:29
  tell me, has he had any trauma in his life?
• 1:16:31
  She goes, Oh yeah. I said, well, what was the
• 1:16:34
  trauma? She said well, his mother
• 1:16:39
  committed suicide by burning the house down with her in it.
• 1:16:44
  At what age? He was in his 20s.
• 1:16:47
  Wow. And it was after that that it
• 1:16:50
  began this whole idea about changing.
• 1:16:56
  Now here's a guy and saying he had no trauma and when I
• 1:17:01
  confronted him about his mom burning in the house that was.
• 1:17:05
  White Did she die? The mother.
• 1:17:06
  Oh yeah, Burned her crisp. Yeah, done.
• 1:17:10
  It was horrible. The whole house burned to the
• 1:17:12
  ground with her in it. But then I come to find out she
• 1:17:15
  was a very abusive mom. She screamed and yelled at at
• 1:17:20
  his wife. They had a bad relationship.
• 1:17:22
  There was nothing good about it. There's tons of trauma around
• 1:17:25
  that and dad ran off with another lady to Canada.
• 1:17:30
  I mean, there there was just tons of problems, all kinds of
• 1:17:33
  adverse childhood stuff. But he couldn't he couldn't
• 1:17:36
  admit that there was something going on that could be treated
• 1:17:42
  that would avoid him needing or feeling the need to have
• 1:17:45
  hormones and surgery. So he went through with the
• 1:17:48
  surgery, denying that he ever had any trauma.
• 1:17:50
  And that was just about 3 weeks ago.
• 1:17:52
  I'm. So sorry.
• 1:17:54
  So but I you know, they they can't.
• 1:17:57
  I contacted him only four days. They gave me 4 days before the
• 1:18:01
  surgery to pull him out of this which was.
• 1:18:04
  You didn't have a lot of time. Didn't have enough time?
• 1:18:06
  What do you think that is, though?
• 1:18:07
  Because I think in most children's lives, there's going
• 1:18:11
  to be something ambiguous that happens around gender that they
• 1:18:14
  might be able to remember. Because little kids, you know, a
• 1:18:17
  boy will pick up a doll. You know, you, you, you put on
• 1:18:21
  your big sister or brother's clothing.
• 1:18:23
  You're the little kid. And maybe it's the opposite
• 1:18:25
  gender with the big sister's underwear.
• 1:18:27
  So what do you think it is that gives someone like this man?
• 1:18:31
  If you could hypothesize, if you're willing to, to go back in
• 1:18:35
  time And he has this big trauma around his 20s where, you know,
• 1:18:38
  his mother kills herself in this horrific way.
• 1:18:40
  That's when it sounds like I'm really reading the timeline
• 1:18:43
  right that you're sharing. That's when he starts to wonder
• 1:18:46
  about his childhood with my really a, you know, trans.
• 1:18:49
  What do you make of that? Yeah, I, I think there's two
• 1:18:52
  things that are real clear about people.
• 1:18:54
  There's people who have tremendous resilience, can take
• 1:18:57
  anything and it doesn't affect them.
• 1:19:00
  They just blow through things because they have tremendous
• 1:19:02
  resilience. There's other people that have
• 1:19:04
  very real small amount of resilience and they're the ones
• 1:19:09
  that fall prey to these ideologies.
• 1:19:11
  And because of things that happened, their resilience has
• 1:19:14
  been weakened. And I think in some of these
• 1:19:17
  cases, we have to dig into what that is.
• 1:19:19
  So I think you have to look at each case, see what where their
• 1:19:23
  strengths are in their life for their weaknesses are did they
• 1:19:26
  have a good strong relationship with their father?
• 1:19:29
  Was their father absent? Was their mom primary?
• 1:19:32
  You know, so there's a lot of things to put into the equation.
• 1:19:35
  So I don't think you can generalize on it.
• 1:19:38
  But I do think that all of these cases really take a great deal
• 1:19:42
  of time and exploration into finding out what happened, what
• 1:19:46
  was the dynamic. And what I found is that if you,
• 1:19:50
  if you have the opportunity and they give you the opportunity
• 1:19:53
  to, to dig in and spend time with them, you can find out what
• 1:19:57
  happened. What happened to make them think
• 1:20:00
  that they are the other gender? Yeah, that, that either reduce
• 1:20:03
  their resilience or, you know, I, I some of the cases where a
• 1:20:08
  girl became a boy, but she saw the dad beating mom and she
• 1:20:13
  said, I don't want to be the woman who gets beat by a man, so
• 1:20:16
  I'll be a man. It's just some simple things
• 1:20:19
  like that. My dad's an alcoholic and my mom
• 1:20:22
  is not OK. I'm going to be like my mom
• 1:20:25
  because I don't want to be like my dad.
• 1:20:26
  I mean, some of these things are fairly simple, but there's other
• 1:20:30
  things that lead up to it. So I think we we see in the
• 1:20:34
  final analysis, there's things that click at some point because
• 1:20:38
  these things transpire over a period of time.
• 1:20:40
  There's just a moment where they finally go.
• 1:20:42
  You know, I'm kind of done with that.
• 1:20:46
  Do you think that, you know, there's so many cases now?
• 1:20:49
  I don't know what the percentages are.
• 1:20:50
  You probably do, of young people, very young people
• 1:20:53
  thinking they're transgender. You know, it's dramatically
• 1:20:56
  ballooned in the last decade. Yeah, that's because we're
• 1:20:59
  telling them they're transgender.
• 1:21:01
  You think it's because we're telling them?
• 1:21:02
  If we stopped today telling kids they're transgender, we would
• 1:21:07
  have no transgender kids. We're we're we are manufacturing
• 1:21:13
  transgender. You don't have a trans kid
• 1:21:15
  unless you manufacture 1. Now the parent would say usually
• 1:21:20
  you know, the mom who's on TikTok or whatever, you know,
• 1:21:22
  whatever could be a very well-intentioned, I'm not trying
• 1:21:24
  to disparage everybody or anything.
• 1:21:26
  But let's say they say, well they they told me at 3-4 years
• 1:21:30
  old, they said I'm a girl mom when they're really a boy.
• 1:21:34
  Yeah, you know, guess what? You're not.
• 1:21:38
  You don't have to. You don't have to affirm
• 1:21:39
  anybody. You can tell them no, you're
• 1:21:41
  not. And I love you as you are.
• 1:21:44
  Yeah, if we spend as much time affirming the kid the way they
• 1:21:49
  were designed in the womb, we wouldn't have any of these.
• 1:21:54
  Then maybe they would struggle. But we don't need to give them
• 1:21:57
  hormone blockers. We don't need to do surgery.
• 1:21:59
  We don't need to dress them in different clothes.
• 1:22:02
  Stop the madness. This is a a society that is
• 1:22:07
  destroying the next generation and it is absolutely insane.
• 1:22:15
  I remember what you said earlier about affirmation, how powerful
• 1:22:18
  that can be. Oh, it's, it's, it is so
• 1:22:21
  powerful. That's why they want you to
• 1:22:23
  affirm people. In the certain direction, it has
• 1:22:26
  to be their direction. Of course it has to be we.
• 1:22:28
  We're both for affirmation, but it's affirmation and in your in
• 1:22:31
  the design you're given. Yeah, in God's design.
• 1:22:34
  Affirm them in God's design. Do you think part of the
• 1:22:37
  problem, Walt could be, I mean, I think about gender
• 1:22:41
  stereotypes. Boys are tough girls like
• 1:22:44
  flowers, you know, you know, then there's the tomboy, then
• 1:22:47
  there's the boy who's more maybe interested in things that are
• 1:22:50
  more stereotypically feminine, right.
• 1:22:52
  And so you take, you know, we had Leonard Sachs on the on the
• 1:22:55
  show, I think last year and he's a big, you know, doctor, really
• 1:22:59
  phenomenal research and work on boys health, raising healthy
• 1:23:02
  boys, raising healthy girls. ANYWAYS, he was just talking
• 1:23:05
  about how, you know, just because a boy likes to do
• 1:23:09
  something that's more stereotypically feminine,
• 1:23:11
  there's still a boy, you know, not to say that gender roles
• 1:23:15
  don't matter, they do. But we can be so rigid sometimes
• 1:23:18
  that we're pushing people away from their own identity, saying
• 1:23:21
  that's not who you are because you think you look more like
• 1:23:25
  the, you know, the other sex. What do you?
• 1:23:28
  Here's my take on it. There's nothing wrong with a
• 1:23:30
  feminine boy and there's nothing wrong with a masculine woman.
• 1:23:33
  And we don't need to give the feminine boy hormones.
• 1:23:35
  We don't need to give the masculine woman.
• 1:23:38
  Let them be, that's who they are.
• 1:23:40
  But we don't need to change them.
• 1:23:42
  Let them be, That's who they are.
• 1:23:44
  We can't change or enhance and make them any better.
• 1:23:49
  I believe that people are perfect the way they are.
• 1:23:52
  We don't need to give. That's the whole thing.
• 1:23:55
  Stop with the hormones, stop with the surgeries, because the
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  only people who are changing people's bodies and stuff are
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  these gender clinics. If I were the president of the
• 1:24:09
  United States, I would close down every gender clinic in the
• 1:24:13
  United States. It would be against the law to
• 1:24:16
  give somebody hormones and surgery.
• 1:24:20
  It's too destructive. I've my my inbox has been filled
• 1:24:24
  up with regrettable outcomes. 19 times more likely to commit
• 1:24:28
  suicide. You can go on the Reddit
• 1:24:31
  subgroup R/D trans. There's 55,000 people on there.
• 1:24:37
  You talk about regrettable outcome 55,000.
• 1:24:40
  There are some incredible stories on there, just
• 1:24:42
  devastating. Yeah.
• 1:24:43
  And so, yeah, I'm not. I've been doing this a long
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  time. And I said I would quit the day
• 1:24:51
  that they stop harming people. So if you want me to get off the
• 1:24:56
  air and stop doing this, then stop harming people because they
• 1:24:59
  keep contacting me because you're destroying their life.
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  Do you regret your surgeries? Of course, but by the same
• 1:25:07
  token, I'm thankful that the Lord came and redeemed my life
• 1:25:12
  so that I can serve Him and speak into helping other people
• 1:25:16
  and get people to realize we don't need to give people
• 1:25:21
  hormones and surgery. You're not changing anybody's
• 1:25:24
  and I've said that probably 15 times, but it.
• 1:25:27
  Seems the truth you got to say. It again and again, you know, it
• 1:25:29
  seems to be I, I go nuts when they talk about this transgender
• 1:25:34
  person. There's they're not transgender,
• 1:25:37
  you know, the transgender track runner.
• 1:25:39
  No, it's a man identifying. If we just properly in our media
• 1:25:45
  say it's a man identifying as a woman, I'll go with that.
• 1:25:48
  It's a woman identifying as a man.
• 1:25:50
  That is accurate. Using the word transgender
• 1:25:54
  should be completely taken off the map.
• 1:25:58
  I'm sure there's a lot of people listening right now who are
• 1:26:00
  very, you know, I hope and courage, but certainly inspired
• 1:26:05
  by your boldness and speaking the truth in a world that's just
• 1:26:08
  gone increasingly mad on this issue.
• 1:26:10
  I do think we're turning a bit of a corner though, culturally
• 1:26:12
  is enough push back to the to the craziness of the agenda.
• 1:26:16
  But there's certainly people who have maybe loved ones who are
• 1:26:18
  struggling with gender dysphoria.
• 1:26:21
  I want you to particularly give your thoughts on the case of a
• 1:26:24
  parent or parents who have a child who thinks that they're
• 1:26:28
  the other gender. Yeah, but they don't have gender
• 1:26:30
  dysphoria. That's the other word that is
• 1:26:32
  incorrect. They have dysphoria, but it's
• 1:26:38
  not about gender. What do you mean?
• 1:26:41
  Well, dysphoria comes like I didn't have gender dysphoria.
• 1:26:44
  I was, I had dysphoria about who I was.
• 1:26:47
  Dysphoria is the opposite of euphoria.
• 1:26:50
  You don't like who you are. That's not about gender, that's
• 1:26:53
  just I don't like who I am so. Would you say the proper term is
• 1:26:55
  identity dysphoria? I would just, I just say it's an
• 1:26:59
  identity distress. They have dysphoria, but you
• 1:27:03
  don't know what the dysphoria is about until you actually get in
• 1:27:06
  and talk to them. And there's, there's a term
• 1:27:09
  that's been used called generalized dysphoria that's
• 1:27:12
  written up. You can look it up generalized
• 1:27:14
  dysphoria, but it's you can you can disconnect from the word
• 1:27:18
  gender and find there is dysphoria, but you'll find that
• 1:27:23
  it's not about gender, it's about being sexually abused.
• 1:27:26
  It's about being physically. You can have dysphoria about
• 1:27:29
  being physically abused. You can have dysphoria about
• 1:27:32
  being emotionally abused, but it's not about your gender.
• 1:27:36
  The only reason that you use the word gender dysphoria is because
• 1:27:41
  they put it in the DSM in 2013 and they explained the reason
• 1:27:46
  for putting it in the DSM was so listen to this so people did not
• 1:27:51
  feel bad about having a disorder.
• 1:27:55
  That's the only reason it's in there.
• 1:27:58
  Meaning they gave a generalized, they gave the gender dysphoria
• 1:28:03
  title on it. So that you didn't feel bad
• 1:28:05
  because prior to that it was called identity disorder, which
• 1:28:09
  would be correct? That was actually correct.
• 1:28:13
  They took the wrong. They took what was good and
• 1:28:16
  changed it to gender dysphoria. So what you're what you're
• 1:28:20
  saying is that they made the by making it about gender
• 1:28:23
  specifically, they're picking a culprit that they didn't have
• 1:28:26
  any right to pick. I'm saying they went to the
• 1:28:29
  wrong place to treat them. That's why there's so much, so
• 1:28:32
  many regrettable outcomes. And so the other thing that
• 1:28:36
  happens is if you look at the clinics and all the places, the
• 1:28:40
  only way that is changing, but the only way when it first came
• 1:28:44
  out that you could get access to getting hormones and having
• 1:28:49
  surgery was if you were diagnosed with what, gender
• 1:28:53
  dysphoria? So if you were diagnosed with,
• 1:28:57
  you know, body dysmorphia, you couldn't get hormones in
• 1:29:01
  surgery. You absolutely had to be
• 1:29:04
  diagnosed. It's a forced diagnosis of
• 1:29:07
  gender dysphoria that I have found.
• 1:29:09
  I haven't found one person in the thousands of people I've
• 1:29:12
  worked with that actually had gender dysphoria.
• 1:29:14
  Really. No, they don't have.
• 1:29:16
  They don't have DID. Anybody have gender dysphoria?
• 1:29:18
  The guy that had gender dysphoria explained to you that
• 1:29:21
  had the EMDR therapy, he was that with his mother chasing
• 1:29:25
  somebody around the house with a butcher knife.
• 1:29:26
  Is that gender dysphoria? So does gender dysphoria exist
• 1:29:29
  at all in your view? No.
• 1:29:31
  So anybody who thinks they have that, it's something else.
• 1:29:34
  Is what you're saying. I think gender dysphoria is
• 1:29:36
  definitely a symptom, and if we look at gender dysphoria as a
• 1:29:41
  symptom, that should cue us as people who are trying to help
• 1:29:45
  them look for what the real problem is.
• 1:29:49
  With someone like a Bruce Jenner, I don't know if you can
• 1:29:51
  theorize her if you want to, but what would you think is going on
• 1:29:54
  with someone like him? Yeah, You know, I think Jenner
• 1:30:01
  actually got started in this and he's such a big advocate, said,
• 1:30:06
  you know, that I don't think even if he has regret, he
• 1:30:10
  doesn't see his way out. He boxed himself in and.
• 1:30:16
  And, you know, he said he was heterosexual, but he's.
• 1:30:20
  I don't know. You know, I'm not going to try
• 1:30:22
  to speculate on Jenner. I think it's a sad story.
• 1:30:25
  What I really like is the stories of people who find their
• 1:30:28
  way back and who find Jesus Christ like yourself.
• 1:30:32
  Yeah. And so.
• 1:30:34
  Do you see a lot of those? I see, I see them.
• 1:30:38
  I don't know about a lot of them.
• 1:30:39
  A lot of people find their way back and they find Jesus later.
• 1:30:43
  I was just real fortunate that the Lord, the Lord actually gave
• 1:30:48
  me this opportunity to speak out on the issue.
• 1:30:51
  And I have a great deal of passion about it.
• 1:30:54
  And at 84, you know, I'm just still, still going and I'm in.
• 1:30:59
  As long as I have a voice, I'm going to keep trying to save
• 1:31:01
  people's lives that. Was going to be my next
• 1:31:03
  question. What's your hope for your
• 1:31:05
  ministry and for the future? Yeah, well, I have a new book
• 1:31:08
  coming out is called Embracing God's Design.
• 1:31:11
  Beautiful Co written that book with Doctor Jennifer Bowens, who
• 1:31:15
  is a trauma therapist. And so we took what I've
• 1:31:18
  referred to as the street drunk and the trauma therapist and put
• 1:31:21
  them together and and put the base of the book is on biblical
• 1:31:25
  basis and brings the two together and helps will help
• 1:31:29
  churches and help families kind of resolve the underlying issues
• 1:31:34
  and find out that it's not gender dysphoria, that it's
• 1:31:37
  something else. And if we identify what it is,
• 1:31:40
  then we can treat it. If you keep calling it gender
• 1:31:43
  dysphoria, you're going to keep giving them hormones in surgery.
• 1:31:46
  And that's not that's not right, it's not correct.
• 1:31:49
  It's and that's what you find out afterward is that when they
• 1:31:53
  have a regrettable outcome, they they tell me I didn't have
• 1:31:56
  gender dysphoria. Why did they do this to me?
• 1:32:00
  And I said they did it to you because the only way you could
• 1:32:02
  get hormones in surgery was be diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
• 1:32:08
  Because if you have a dissociative disorder or PTSD or
• 1:32:12
  bipolar one disorder, or obsessive compulsive disorder,
• 1:32:16
  schizophrenia, if you have any of those disorders, you can't
• 1:32:19
  get hormones in surgery and change your gender.
• 1:32:22
  So they have to say you have gender dysphoria.
• 1:32:25
  Now you may have all those other disorders too, but they're going
• 1:32:28
  to add that one in so they can give you hormones in surgery.
• 1:32:31
  So I guess it sounds like your message would be to parents who
• 1:32:34
  might have a child struggling with this.
• 1:32:35
  If they have the, you know, a power, they're still the
• 1:32:37
  guardian of that child to take him to a proper a proper trauma
• 1:32:42
  or just a proper therapist that they can trust us not going to
• 1:32:44
  push the city ology on their child.
• 1:32:46
  If you see a therapist that has a rainbow flag, don't take him
• 1:32:51
  there. If you see a therapist say
• 1:32:53
  they're gender affirming, don't take him there.
• 1:32:56
  Take him to somebody who doesn't believe that you can change your
• 1:33:00
  gender. Somebody who knows how to
• 1:33:02
  provide effective sound therapy for what the underlying problem
• 1:33:07
  is. Somebody who's actually going to
• 1:33:08
  do a deep dive into their history and find out if this
• 1:33:13
  obsessive compulsive body dysmorphia, bipolar one
• 1:33:17
  disorder, schizophrenia, and you'd name it because I do it.
• 1:33:21
  I'm not a therapist. All I do is ask them simple
• 1:33:24
  questions and I ask everybody what happened that caused you to
• 1:33:30
  not like who you are? That's not a difficult question,
• 1:33:34
  but it gets them to think what happened that caused you to not
• 1:33:37
  like who you are? And if they're hesitant, I said,
• 1:33:40
  why do you want to erase who you are and try to become someone
• 1:33:45
  you can never become? Because I don't understand it.
• 1:33:47
  I want you to explain it to me. So I make them dig and go back,
• 1:33:52
  dig deeper to find out what the issues are.
• 1:33:54
  And they, they began to do it. And once they do, and then
• 1:33:58
  because I start probing them, you know, were you abused?
• 1:34:01
  Were you hit, were you abandoned?
• 1:34:04
  In some, in some cases, the kids moved to a new location and
• 1:34:09
  felt, you know, they had built up relationships where they
• 1:34:12
  were. They moved them to a new
• 1:34:14
  location. They're in a different school.
• 1:34:16
  The kids are different, the town is different.
• 1:34:18
  They felt uncomfortable and, and they got dysphoria about being
• 1:34:24
  where they are. And so they wanted to fit into a
• 1:34:27
  group and they picked a trans group to get involved with, but
• 1:34:32
  they were never involved before. So the other component we have
• 1:34:36
  here is the thing called social contagion.
• 1:34:38
  And it's not rapid onset gender dysphoria.
• 1:34:41
  That's a total misnomer. It's rapid onset social
• 1:34:46
  contagion. And so kids get together.
• 1:34:49
  We have four or five girls going to Planned Parenthood together
• 1:34:53
  to get male hormones and they just hand them out like candy.
• 1:34:57
  I got to share. We haven't released this yet,
• 1:35:00
  Walt, but we did an investigation of Planned
• 1:35:02
  Parenthood on that topic. You call them up, you say, I
• 1:35:05
  think I'm the other gender. They say, come on in, we'll give
• 1:35:09
  you the prescription in 3rd 10 minutes.
• 1:35:12
  I mean, it's incredible, right? There's no doctor's assessment,
• 1:35:16
  psychological evaluation. They will just write you that
• 1:35:20
  drug prescription. They will give you the hormones.
• 1:35:23
  10 years ago I did the same thing with Planned Parenthood.
• 1:35:27
  I called him up and and said, you know, I'm this and that, but
• 1:35:31
  come on in. They they were doing it 10 years
• 1:35:34
  ago. Wow.
• 1:35:35
  They've been doing it forever. They now say it's one of their
• 1:35:37
  top services. Yeah, once, yeah.
• 1:35:40
  And so one. Of their most, I should say it's
• 1:35:42
  one of their fastest growing services.
• 1:35:43
  Planned Parenthood is destroying more people today, including all
• 1:35:51
  the other stuff they do. They're a destruction site if
• 1:35:55
  they can't kill the baby and they're going to destroy their
• 1:35:58
  life with hormones if the kid comes out of the womb.
• 1:36:03
  Their job and they feel, I believe, is to try to change
• 1:36:07
  their gender. They're they're there to destroy
• 1:36:09
  people. I'm not a fan of Planned
• 1:36:12
  Parenthood. I would love to see Trump
• 1:36:14
  completely cut off all their funding.
• 1:36:16
  Hasn't happened yet, needs to happen.
• 1:36:18
  It needs to happen and I, I, if I had a chance to tell him, cut
• 1:36:22
  it off because they're, they're doing, I get more people, adults
• 1:36:27
  and children going to Planned Parenthood and they just give
• 1:36:30
  them the hormones. There's no, it's like a window
• 1:36:33
  you walk up like pay window. Here you go.
• 1:36:35
  So. The people emailing you are
• 1:36:36
  getting their hormones from Planned Parenthood.
• 1:36:38
  Yeah, wow, young young kids too. 18/19/20 or 12 it doesn't
• 1:36:44
  matter. This is all very incredibly
• 1:36:50
  important to learn about. Be aware of every, I mean, I
• 1:36:53
  think virtually everybody at this point is affected by this
• 1:36:55
  issue and one way or another in this country, one way or
• 1:36:57
  another. What's a success story you can
• 1:37:01
  share something that you've seen of all these people emailing
• 1:37:03
  you, but you shared some earlier, but you know when
• 1:37:06
  you've done some of this initial work to help them see their the
• 1:37:10
  truth? Yeah, I think, you know, there's
• 1:37:13
  a lot of them and, and, and it takes, I think it's important
• 1:37:18
  also to mention that it sometimes takes one or two years
• 1:37:22
  after they've contacted me for them to go through the process.
• 1:37:25
  And many of the people haven't had, you know, top and bottom
• 1:37:30
  surgery. They've just taken hormones and
• 1:37:32
  so they can stop the hormones and many of the people have had,
• 1:37:36
  if they're girls, just had top surgery.
• 1:37:39
  Most of the women don't have bottom surgery.
• 1:37:41
  I don't. Very few women ever go through
• 1:37:43
  the bottom surgery part. The men sadly go through the
• 1:37:47
  bottom surgery and then have breast implants.
• 1:37:50
  So they're affected in terms of their ability to foster
• 1:37:56
  children. Is any of that reversible for
• 1:37:59
  men? No, no.
• 1:38:01
  And so girls who take male hormones for an extended period
• 1:38:05
  of time will be left fertile too.
• 1:38:07
  I just talked to an endocrinologist on the phone
• 1:38:10
  yesterday who's sending me a report on this, that they're
• 1:38:13
  realizing that it's really affecting both male and females,
• 1:38:17
  the hormone blockers and hormones.
• 1:38:20
  And and we're trying to do something about it.
• 1:38:22
  The endocrinologist from up in Sacramento.
• 1:38:26
  Surprise, surprise. It's so tragic and they're told
• 1:38:30
  that it doesn't affect their fertility or it's very unlikely
• 1:38:33
  to. They they're real good about not
• 1:38:36
  being truthful, yeah. What do you think needs to
• 1:38:40
  happen, Walt, for us to completely change our culture
• 1:38:44
  back to sanity on this issue? Yeah, I, you know, laws are one
• 1:38:48
  thing, but I think getting the truth out and about I, I'm a,
• 1:38:54
  I'm real strong on changing the language.
• 1:38:58
  I don't, I don't use gender dysphoria.
• 1:39:01
  I don't, I, I, I say this thing about you're not a transgender,
• 1:39:06
  you didn't transition and you don't have gender dysphoria.
• 1:39:09
  And that's where I want to start because it's something else.
• 1:39:13
  You know, you've, you've been indoctrinated into thinking that
• 1:39:17
  that's what it is. But when I work with you, and
• 1:39:20
  when we find out what the real issue is, we'll find out you
• 1:39:22
  were sexually abused by your dad.
• 1:39:24
  You're physically abused by somebody.
• 1:39:28
  And I've had this happen so many times and I'm, I'm not even, I
• 1:39:33
  mean, when I first started doing this, my wife would say, well,
• 1:39:36
  you don't know, you know, you're not sure.
• 1:39:38
  And I go, OK, and I win this one and I say, OK, mark that one
• 1:39:42
  down. Well, I'm 100% when I say
• 1:39:44
  there's something that happened. I have 100%.
• 1:39:48
  I find out what happened if they allow me the time to do it.
• 1:39:52
  Do they always end up agreeing with you?
• 1:39:54
  Yes, that had the impact or sometimes they just.
• 1:39:57
  Yeah, well, they end up seeing it for themselves.
• 1:40:00
  I don't. I just said you, you just tell
• 1:40:03
  me what went on. Let's find out what it was.
• 1:40:05
  It's like you actually took time to care.
• 1:40:07
  You know, that's the thing that's so tragic about it.
• 1:40:09
  You actually took time to ask the questions, to care about
• 1:40:11
  them, to listen. You're listening.
• 1:40:13
  Some of it is is kind of silly because if mom will some of the
• 1:40:18
  ridiculous ones and mom said, you know, my son never had any
• 1:40:21
  trauma and here he is. He's quote transitioning and I
• 1:40:24
  don't know, I said well. How old was he this one?
• 1:40:26
  I think he was in his teens, 14 or 15.
• 1:40:29
  And I said, what do you mean? He never had any.
• 1:40:31
  There had to be something that happened.
• 1:40:33
  I'm convinced there's something happened.
• 1:40:35
  Either dad left the house, you had a divorce.
• 1:40:38
  He was put in and came from foster care.
• 1:40:39
  You tell me something happened. Well, he did have cancer and
• 1:40:43
  they had to cut his leg off. Oh my gosh.
• 1:40:46
  And I said OK. Oh my goodness.
• 1:40:48
  You see what I'm finding this is this is really.
• 1:40:50
  And she said to you, he has no trauma.
• 1:40:53
  Parents do not know what trauma is.
• 1:40:58
  They don't know what trauma is. There's little T trauma and
• 1:41:01
  there's big T trauma. Trauma is bad stuff.
• 1:41:06
  And trauma can include a dad being gone to war, coming back
• 1:41:10
  injured from the war, not being available to work with the
• 1:41:14
  child. There's there's the list is, you
• 1:41:18
  know, exhausting. But we need to start
• 1:41:21
  understanding and start doing what I do.
• 1:41:23
  This is easy for me. I know there's something
• 1:41:26
  happened. I don't, I know they're not
• 1:41:28
  transgender. I know they don't have gender
• 1:41:30
  dysphoria. I don't buy into any of that
• 1:41:32
  nonsense. And when I spend the time
• 1:41:36
  digging, I find it. But if you don't spend the time
• 1:41:40
  digging, like the therapist who never asked about what happened
• 1:41:43
  with at 13 and the kids watching his mom try to murder dad,
• 1:41:49
  that's trauma. But he'd been the therapist,
• 1:41:51
  never addressed that issue, never even asked.
• 1:41:54
  They don't care. They don't want to go there.
• 1:41:57
  They don't want to know. I do.
• 1:42:00
  I don't charge anybody a dime. I don't even ask him to buy my
• 1:42:04
  book. I don't put out videos.
• 1:42:08
  I just help people try to find out what happened that caused
• 1:42:13
  them to not like who they are so that they never get hormones and
• 1:42:16
  never have surgery. That's all I want to do.
• 1:42:20
  And you know what? You can save a life.
• 1:42:25
  I bet you have. Oh, I know I have.
• 1:42:28
  I've, I've had, I've been on doing a conference on video and
• 1:42:36
  the person would come into my ear and say I just had a lady
• 1:42:39
  call in, was listening to you and she was getting ready to
• 1:42:43
  commit suicide until she heard you.
• 1:42:47
  And she, you gave her hope and she decided not to commit
• 1:42:53
  suicide and she's staying and listening.
• 1:42:55
  I was on for four hours. Wow.
• 1:43:01
  Yeah. When you look back on all of the
• 1:43:04
  work you've done, what are you most proud of?
• 1:43:11
  Probably I'm most proud of my my current wife hanging in with me
• 1:43:14
  for 28 years. She's lovely, by the way.
• 1:43:17
  I got to meet. Her earlier.
• 1:43:19
  You know, I, I don't have anything that I'm, I'm proud of
• 1:43:24
  because there's so much more work to do.
• 1:43:28
  I mean, we've only started and I've been doing this for nearly
• 1:43:33
  20 years. I've had my website for over 17
• 1:43:35
  years and we're not doing enough to help people.
• 1:43:40
  I want to do more. I want to sit with Donald Trump
• 1:43:43
  in his office and say, Donald, listen to me, come on, you want
• 1:43:47
  some truth, Let's get at it. I want to look him in the eye
• 1:43:51
  and tell him what he needs to do because I don't think he knows.
• 1:43:54
  What does he need to do? He needs to start shutting down
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  Planned Parenthood. He needs to start closing the
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  clinics. He needs to do a lot more
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  advocating for stopping this. I mean, he's he's touching
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  around the sports issue, which is all these things are good,
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  but you got to cut the head off the snake.
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  And they they should not be allowed.
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  This should be considered socially destructive to society
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  because it is. Why is Why are we allowing
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  clinics to mutilate children? And I would say, why are we,
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  like you were saying it's child abuse, the parents stuff.
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  Yeah, I mean, I remember my husband and I were living in the
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  East Bay, the Bay Area, you know, not far from where you
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  were living earlier. And I would go to the farmers
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  market and I saw, you know, woman, you know, questionable.
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  I don't know if she's Butch, what she's, you know,
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  identifying as lesbian. I don't know.
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  It's hard to know, right? But, you know, the alternative,
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  right? Doesn't have to be necessarily a
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  bad thing, but, you know, some things might be.
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  Might be interesting there little boy again.
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  Sparkle sparkle everywhere. We don't even dress girls like
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  this. Like over the top sparkle nail
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  Polish, sparkle shoes 22 crazy hair of some of the hairs dyed
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  blue like the child. Looked like an experiment and
• 1:45:14
  the child was looking listless and unhappy, not like a happy
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  kid, the mom or the woman. The person was checked out on
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  the phone like, and I just thought, what hell am I looking
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  at? How are we allowing this?
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  And maybe you want to call the cops in the middle of this
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  farmers market to rescue this child who is and but it's like,
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  what can you what, what can we do right?
• 1:45:33
  These these children are at risk.
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  Yeah, absolutely. And and it needs to stop.
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  I mean, I remember watching ABC show many, many years ago and a
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  mom, they were filming her because she had a kid that she
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  was sending to school as a girl boy.
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  And mom is combing the the boy's hair and she's talking to the
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  interviewer. And in a in a crushing moment
• 1:45:59
  that should have captured everybody's imagination, only
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  apparently captured mine. The kid turned to mom and said
• 1:46:05
  would you love me if I was a boy?
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  Mom's dressing them like a girl and send them to school and the
• 1:46:14
  kids saying Would you love me if I'm a boy?
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  What? Did she say?
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  She she froze. She had nothing to say.
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  Oh, Oh. She went away from it.
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  No answer. It's dark.
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  So, you know, any parent in my view who does this needs to go
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  to therapy. Oh yeah.
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  And, and, and sorry to say, in some cases they probably
• 1:46:41
  shouldn't have full custody of the child.
• 1:46:44
  That's harsh it. Is tough.
• 1:46:47
  But you know, again, I I lived it, it's child abuse.
• 1:46:52
  We're not calling it what it is. When I see a mom cross dressing
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  a boy saying I have a trans kid, child abuse should ring a big
• 1:47:00
  bell, should stop. It's nonsense.
• 1:47:03
  Mom's sick. Something's happening.
• 1:47:05
  And I know in some cases, you know, I've, I've worked with
• 1:47:09
  divorces where mom is actually using the child's, you know,
• 1:47:13
  gender identity to keep the the father who doesn't like the idea
• 1:47:18
  because he won't call them by the correct pronouns.
• 1:47:22
  Of course, the the only correct pronoun, and I want you to hear
• 1:47:25
  it first on your podcast. This is it.
• 1:47:28
  The correct pronoun is wacko. That's your pronoun for the day.
• 1:47:33
  And so because the father won't use the correct pronouns, mom's
• 1:47:38
  going to not allow him to have custody of the child.
• 1:47:42
  Insane. Right.
• 1:47:43
  So these are the things, these are gamesmanship.
• 1:47:46
  And so I've sat down with kids who the mom says, you know, is
• 1:47:52
  trans. And I've worked with the dad and
• 1:47:54
  sat with them and they're not. I, I, I can't have to say this.
• 1:47:58
  I've noticed, Walt, that there have been so many, I see a
• 1:48:03
  preponderance of women doing this to their children, and it's
• 1:48:06
  often women to sons turning them into girls.
• 1:48:09
  I don't as much see men doing this to their children and I
• 1:48:12
  don't see it as much men doing it to, you know, a focus as much
• 1:48:16
  on the turning the girl into a boy.
• 1:48:18
  Have you noticed that? Do you notice that in the
• 1:48:20
  thousands of correspondences you get, it's like a particular
• 1:48:23
  sickness that these women are transing their sons?
• 1:48:27
  Yeah, and you get to dig into what what's going on in in their
• 1:48:30
  life too, because there's something wrong.
• 1:48:31
  It's dark. It's dark.
• 1:48:33
  It's bad. It's like they're trying to get,
• 1:48:35
  I mean, there's that what is that that condition that parents
• 1:48:38
  can have where they over medicalize the kids and it
• 1:48:40
  brings them a sense of. Identity Munchausen's.
• 1:48:42
  Munchausen's syndrome, right? It's a syndrome.
• 1:48:45
  It's that, but for. Yeah, for this.
• 1:48:48
  But I I do think some men are transitioning their kids, but
• 1:48:51
  they're the gay men. It's like the men that I saw a
• 1:48:55
  decade and a half ago in the restaurant with the little boy
• 1:48:58
  dressed as a girl, 2 gay men, one cross dressing as a woman.
• 1:49:03
  Because this is their world, right?
• 1:49:05
  This whole rainbow world, right? So yeah, I just wish we had more
• 1:49:15
  people on board and stop using the language.
• 1:49:17
  I would love for the people in media to not ever use the word
• 1:49:20
  transgender. Is there another shorthand word
• 1:49:23
  we can use instead? A man identifying as a woman or
• 1:49:28
  or. Just man if it's a man cross.
• 1:49:30
  Dressing, yeah. I mean, it's a man cross.
• 1:49:31
  Dressing man, Cross dressing woman.
• 1:49:33
  Cross dressing man, cross dressing woman.
• 1:49:36
  You know, we don't need to. We don't need to give praise to
• 1:49:40
  the idea that they changed, because they didn't.
• 1:49:45
  Yeah. I can't be a part of that lie.
• 1:49:49
  I'm incredibly grateful for your work.
• 1:49:51
  You're you're on it book 8 now and and it's just incredible to
• 1:49:56
  me that people can reach out to you and you respond.
• 1:49:58
  That's so amazing that you're serving all these people.
• 1:50:00
  You've got a lot of positions right now.
• 1:50:02
  You speak, you, you know, mentor, you write, you come on
• 1:50:06
  shows. Thank you for coming on this
• 1:50:08
  one. Tell everybody about your
• 1:50:10
  upcoming book and also where people can find your incredible
• 1:50:13
  work. Yeah, the up and coming book,
• 1:50:14
  you can go to the website embracethedesign.com and tap on
• 1:50:19
  the Amazon icon and you can see the cover of the book.
• 1:50:24
  I've Co wrote that with Doctor Jennifer Bowens.
• 1:50:27
  I also am working on a full length feature film called Who
• 1:50:30
  Am I Written off My poem, the title of the movie from the
• 1:50:33
  poem. We've been working on a script.
• 1:50:36
  I've got 1 script written and and it's out, but we're going to
• 1:50:40
  probably do some more scripts and try to get that movie out,
• 1:50:44
  which is about an $8 million project.
• 1:50:47
  Amazing. And so right now we've got about
• 1:50:51
  $3500. OK.
• 1:50:54
  So can we can we link? Is it a GoFundMe?
• 1:50:57
  How do people support that as a crowdfunding?
• 1:50:59
  Yeah, we're doing crowdfunding, OK.
• 1:51:01
  And so. Put in the link you can support
• 1:51:04
  what's amazing Mark. Who am I?
• 1:51:07
  The movie whoami.com. Amazing.
• 1:51:10
  So we have a lot of things going.
• 1:51:12
  We're trying to catch them from every angle.
• 1:51:14
  But I think if I can sit down with Donald Trump in the White
• 1:51:18
  House, I can do a whole lot more in one day than I have in the
• 1:51:22
  last 17 years. You've done a lot in the last 17
• 1:51:25
  years. Don't under don't undersell
• 1:51:27
  that. Thank you, Walt, seriously, It's
• 1:51:30
  a it's a, it's a pleasure and honor to talk to you truly.
• 1:51:33
  Thank you for your courage. Thank you for your willingness
• 1:51:35
  to share such a personal, you know, some of these toughest
• 1:51:38
  moments. It it has helped so many people
• 1:51:40
  already. And I know it's like you said,
• 1:51:41
  you're just getting started. Yeah, well, it's all because of
• 1:51:44
  the Lord. Jesus Christ came to redeem my
• 1:51:46
  life. Not because I'm good, it's
• 1:51:49
  because God is good. Amen.
• 1:51:51
  God is so good. Thanks so much for listening to
• 1:51:53
  this episode of the Lila Roe Show.
• 1:51:55
  It was incredible to sit down with Walt.
• 1:51:57
  He's just doing an amazing work out in the world.
• 1:52:00
  You can go find some more content that we just filmed with
• 1:52:03
  Walt over at rosereport.supercast.com where
• 1:52:06
  we do a special Ask Him Anything segment with questions in that
• 1:52:11
  were really fun. I hope you enjoy that.
• 1:52:12
  That's over at rosereport.supercast.com.
• 1:52:16
  And a huge thank you to EWTN Eternal Word Television Network,
• 1:52:19
  which is the largest religious broadcaster in the world.
• 1:52:22
  You can get access to Lila Rose Show episodes 24 hours in
• 1:52:26
  advance at ewtn.com. Slash on demand and a big thank
• 1:52:30
  you to EWTN and their incredible mission to bring souls to Jesus.