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Matthew Chapter 11: Bible Study by Atheists · Sacrilegious Discourse - Bible Study for Atheists

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[SPEAKER_01]: husband, wife, do you know what we're doing to this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, last time we did a regular episode we did Matthew chapter 10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, it's fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in that episode we had the, well, as you refer to them, the Toochie gang assembled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Toochie gang, Jesus Toochie gang was assembled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, and they all got superpowers, and they're supposed to go out and my heal people and
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[SPEAKER_00]: cure leprosy, whatever leprosy as in the Old Testament.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And do extra systems and do extra systems and all that shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Jesus went from like, you know, like a peace loving dude to carrying a sword and like kind of all the other shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not carrying a sword.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not carrying a sword.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's saying following me is going to super suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the imagery, the imagery goes a little darker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then some people want to let it go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just I don't want to give the false impression that that's what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did not pick up a sword and that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and guys, there's two judices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I never knew that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like there were two 10 commandments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we never knew that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are two of everything that's like really super important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like one matters and then the other one nobody knows about because it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also like two Jesuses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the one that everybody knows about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's one that's in the actual Bible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we are hopping into Little Maddie chapter 11.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matthew chapter 11.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, I don't I don't correct you as often as I used to but I just feel like occasionally I should just for like, keep keep the record straight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Little Maddie's more fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I know, I'm what I let you have more and more as we, you know, go through the years here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You stop fighting so hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, are you ready for this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After Jesus had finished instructing his 12 disciples, which don't forget chapter 10 was where he also started referring to them as apostles, meaning, say, specific representatives, commissioned representatives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, they got promoted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what that training process looks like to become superheroes that can heal people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like is there, is there a instruction manual?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there benefits included with this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess I've ever lasting, you know, salvation or whatever is part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably than unless you're Judas, then you're fucked, but you know
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they were, some of them were fishing, some of them were text collectors, which wasn't fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I'm just thinking to this, like, any other job you would start, like, what would that, like, they have, uh, don't do this, do this, you know, like, that would be kind of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to know what the HR process for reporting my chain of command is, and also, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: what's the vetting process for people you're going to give miracles to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's what are our bannies?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to know what benefits?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, sorry I've never you've never heard of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Huh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought you were talking about drugs for a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, benefits, Benys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so anyways, after he finished instructing his disciples, Jesus went on from there to teach and preach in the towns of Galilee, the towns of Galilee,
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, the towns of the one Galilee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess Galilee is a big city composed of smaller towns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's suburbs and stuff that they kind of like around here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like Dayton is the city, but then it's not just one city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's multiple cities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also known as urban sprawl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, when John, in this time, we're talking about John the Baptist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's just John.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just John.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, when John, when John is mentioned, is John the Big B.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least that's what you did research and found out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, when John went John who was in prison.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely the best on the Baptist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples to ask him Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hey, so are you the one who is to come or should we expect someone else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, damn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So John the Baptist is in jail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, saying all this just happened in Molly's in jail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I'm hearing some stories here and like, what's wrong, but, but apparently the miracles that he was performing weren't enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not, that's not the qualifying thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: John the Baptist didn't see it with his own eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His disciples came to the jail and were like, dude, there's this Messiah guy running around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's doing these miracles and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then John the Baptist is like, really, but full of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you've got your disciples coming and telling you that he's doing this, then I feel like you would be more on board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not just like, I don't know, are you the guy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I think he's asking like, you're saying you're on Messiah, but are you like the Messiah?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you actually claiming to be the one?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I'm getting at those in one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My question is though, is it just Jesus, obviously it's not just Jesus who can perform miracles because he just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: made other people be able to be right across, but is it just Jesus in his apostles and disciples, whatever, that can do this or are other priests and preachers able to do this also, because it's a thing that is common back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, we did see that there were other people who were paid to perform these kinds of services.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it must have been very common.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm asking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, it wasn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: these actions that Jesus is taking aren't exclusive to Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's what I was trying to get at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, which is weird to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently there was a lot of magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could just be everywhere in the fucking region.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The demons and miracles all over the fucking place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the mythic identified mental health issues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Middle East was just a brew with magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, all of that stuff was just happening all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And lack of scientific understanding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, also simultaneously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So John is like, hold on, hold on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you meal like are you the chosen one?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you he who lived, the boy who lived, are you Harry Potter, are you Dorothy Gale?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, are you the hero?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's why I'm saying that he's having to qualify this by him, which to me,
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the case that this isn't like this is something that's not abnormal ish yeah, you know, there was a lot of magic happening right or a lot of snake oil sure
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[SPEAKER_01]: salesman's running around with the hair grease back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Griffton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Griffton was a grifft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which leads me to understand that this might be why people didn't know that the shit was happening because they're like, it's happening all according to people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's happening all the fucking time everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody's healed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This Jesus guy out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so his.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my hevers cousin said that they're putting litter boxes in the school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I know it for a fact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what was happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the Fox News was just spreading stories left in my, and so John's like, hang on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this on CNN?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, I think that's like a way of bringing this all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Jesus replied when John Baptist Disciples came to him and they were like, John and Jail, once he went off the other one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where I thought he was out of Jail, and this is John.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He sent his disciples to Jesus to ask him, are you, Jesus the one who we should expect to show you the next one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John still in jail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John still in jail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Jesus said, go back and report to John the Baptist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What you see in here, the blind received sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf here, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on a count of me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, Jesus himself said that that one person that he resurrected or whatever was just a
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like y'all saying she's dead, but guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She just leap in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to interpret that multiple ways, though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know, I know, but he did say at the end of the last chapter or at the beginning of the last chapter, that he's commissioning and his people to cure them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess raising the dead is one of those powers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as John's disciples were leaving, leaving Jesus's presence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John, the Baptist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: OK.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you go out into the wilderness to see?
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[SPEAKER_01]: A read, swayed by the wind?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If not, what did you go out to see?
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[SPEAKER_01]: A man dressed in fine clothes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, those who were fine clothes are in King's palaces.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then what did you go out to see?
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[SPEAKER_01]: A profit?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I tell you, and more than a profit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one about whom it is written.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will send my messenger ahead of you who will prepare your way before you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Truly I tell you among those born of women, there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is still greater than he.
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[SPEAKER_01]: from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence and violent people have been raiding it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how are violent people getting into the kingdom of heaven?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is he speaking of the kingdom of heaven as an earthly thing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which would be an interesting take on that because that indicates a lot of, like, that, that, that, that there's a lot of shit off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that he's referencing this, it's almost makes it seem like that's the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he's not talking about like the up in the sky, cloudy rays where people go when they die,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's going to be a big question for the Q&A for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The kingdom of heaven subjected to violence and violent people have been raiding it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like the kingdom of heaven is the spiritual peace of the Jews living their lives on Earth every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The day-to-day life of the Jew is supposed to be the kingdom of heaven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, now we have that's what I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We actually went to a church for a while and the pastor there who is now an atheist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he's the one who married us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's me married us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he, he actually talked a lot about the kingdom of heaven being on earth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's what made me think of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interestingly, and that's just an interesting twist to the way that that was worded because you would think that the kingdom of heaven couldn't be rated by any violence or anything because the very word rated doesn't go with heaven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, you have to be let in by God, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it almost sounds like the kingdom of heaven is like a metaphorical place on earth
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[SPEAKER_01]: the spirituality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The heaven is that we're all Jews together happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which I like that idea a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like that to me speaking of like this world as the kingdom of heaven or the place that we're trying to get right makes a lot more sense to me just in general than than some mythical fucking afterlife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right, right, because how we live and how we treat each other and how we get along as a society on just even the smallest scale, the family, and our neighbors, our next door neighbors, the people across the street, and then our town, and then our city, and then our state, and then the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, those are all bigger and bigger and bigger, right, but it starts out with just you in your house,
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[SPEAKER_01]: what are you doing to make the kingdom of heaven better?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really think Christianity could improve itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They started interpreting it that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, he's like, from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence and violent people have been raiding it for all the prophets in the law, prophecy, until John.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: for all the prophets and the capital L law, prophesied until John.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoever has ears, let them hear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the, there's prophecies about John now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is saying, yeah, I am awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the son of God, but John the Baptist is big cheese, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he used Elijah, apparently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like collaborating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, this is like influencers and they're like, hey, let's, let's just, let's just, yeah, let's together and do a thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, that's really weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know what I'm using, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm kind of I didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't need there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's I mean, I've heard of I have heard of John the Baptist prior to giving him to the New Testament.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have heard of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew he was a guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew he was one of Jesus's boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I had even heard that maybe he was supposed to be the Jesus guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that something that I don't really hear like lends some but Jesus has claimed I'm the son of God and now he's like but John is cool too right and so I'm like oh what's happening yeah and then there was a whole baptism thing in the beginning right that was when they baptized each other right so each other offers something I don't know
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Jesus is continuing to his crowd as John's boys are leaving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To what can I compare this generation?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are like children sitting in the market places and calling out to others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We played the pipe for you and you did not dance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We sang a derge and you did not mourn for John came neither eating nor drinking and they say he's a demon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The son of man came eating and drinking and they say, here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there again wisdom is referred to as a woman, her deeds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: interesting because that that's a that's a that's a take from Genesis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was in the Pentateau anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was the Pentateau.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because God, I thought it was like so I thought it was even and they were in the garden of Eden when God saw wisdom in the corner or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was further on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could be wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a long time since I've been a long time, but I thought that was in Genesis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was further on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Genesis feels like Genesis covered a lot, so it feels like it would look sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm almost certain that it was Genesis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, we'll cover that in the Q&A.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could be wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I am, but I could be wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll find out where Wisdom is mentioned as an entity and a woman separate that God did not create.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was separate from God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was already there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is she there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was almost like it was in Psalms or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I don't remember exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right, so now we're moving on to another little section, okay, because like a little bit later, yeah, then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed because they did not repent I can't you do magic, but y'all there say thank you, they told him not to tell anybody
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they were supposed to repent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, the town, the whole town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The people in the town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, listen, listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to explain what this is saying here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's saying, when I was in this town, I was doing all these miracles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I did tell each of them, don't tell anybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But every single fucking one of them that I was helping, yes, I was healing them, but like none of them were like repenting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I hate that fucking town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm never going there again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But hear me out here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the towns that they went to and perform miracles, specifically exercising demons from two people, he killed a whole fucking herd of things also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can see why they would kick him out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's like that town sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he was a bit of a rabble or else or he just kind of sucked, you know, like maybe maybe maybe he's like both sides have a point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the town has a reason to eat you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus might not be the best people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know Jesus?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I never met him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I never met him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He never was found by me, except for on page one of Matthew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, he's about to go off on some towns, ready?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, to you, Corazan, go to you, Beth Seda, for if the miracles that were performed in you have been performed in tier and sedan, they would have been, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I tell you it will be more bearable for tier and sedan on the day of judgment than for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, even those shitty towns are better than you fucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those aren't even Jewish towns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are those are ones that they always had problems with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's saying those tier and sedan are fucking trash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even those trash towns are better than you bitches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he's like this this this feels very familiar he feels very familiar because it's similar to the way it's the comparison the way um they did in the old testament they would have to name things be like remember that remember that remember that I was saying it's some some it's reminiscent of how it's done today like we trash people yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: We trash our own people who aren't good enough to make us stand up even higher, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, especially religion, religion does this really well, where they trash their own people and say, you're just not trying hard up, but you know yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not one of those those people, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not talking about me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not talking about me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's talking about all the other ones that are, everybody else is not doing it right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's a tactic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely a tactic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like if you look each one in the eye, they're like, oh, I know who he's talking about, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you ask them further, like if you whispered, like, which one is he talking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would all point out each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes you feel special while allowing you to feel superior over just generally whoever you want to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still yelling at me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you Copernan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is his camera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This where he's caught in quote, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How will you be lifted to the heavens?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, you'll go down to Hades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not that's not Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's some Greek.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they did reference Hades in the Old Testament.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Testament at one point, which it was kind of out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it made sense because it was in Greek things happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but I feel like Hades was kind of a placeholder for hell, like we don't really have a word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the closest thing we have is Hades.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he continues for if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have remained to this day, but I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing it again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's saying these shitty fucking towns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They suck so much, but guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even fucking Sodom and tear and those bulls shit towns where people were sinning even they're better than you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but Sodom got fucking demolished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they're not even going to be there on judgment, they were already judged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were already dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those people were terrible for according to God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But apparently they're just in a holding pattern, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking lots left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're locked in the table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sodom and Gomorrah and or whatever Sodom wherever they were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And turn to fucking soul because she looked back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, come on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a bullshit reference right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that they I want to rape the fucking angel and and and and whatever That was such a terrible story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a terrible story and those The way they described it those people were beyond terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were bad Jesus is not describing anything as terrible It was as what was described for sort of a story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't like them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right This is these are not the same
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that we know of, they're not telling us how these people are quote unquote sinning, we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they haven't had to lock themselves in a fucking house to keep them from, you know, raping each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so it sounds better already to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it does to me, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I really, really liked my start track reference, but you were so I rage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I missed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, you say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I said,
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[SPEAKER_01]: your buddy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said that um they're locked in the um the teleporter pattern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're just locked in the teleporter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in the buffer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're waiting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just waiting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Purgatory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in Purgatory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go with Catholic thing.
22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I like whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the teleporter buffer better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really understand purgatory, but whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's in the middle somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's made up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just know where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's something in between.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not in the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At least not that I know if I have that I know yeah, I don't think it's in the mind.
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's I haven't seen it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something else entirely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll probably cover that at some point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a good episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck is purgatory?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck is purgatory?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where did that come from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where'd y'all think that shit up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's on the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so Jesus is like you suck so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate these towns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate these towns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're worse than Sodom and Gomorrah and Tear and shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That bothers me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I praise you, Father.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, at that time, Jesus said, I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All things have been committed to me by my Father.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one knows the Son except the Father and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take my yoke upon you and learn for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For I am gentle and humble and heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light, the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I heard from that was that learning people and buys people have it all wrong, and you should just follow him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and more over the only path to God and salvation and all this other shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moreover, just in the last chapter, he's telling his own boys, gang, this is gonna suck for you and I'm so sorry, it's a tough road we're about to walk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he turns around to the crowd and he's like, my heart is light, rest for your souls, my Yoke is easing, my burden is light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then he turns back around to his voice and he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't listen to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to suck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's totally going to suck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your family's going to hate you.
24:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he turns back to the crowd and he's like, no, everything's piece and roses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you just accept me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that bit right there where he was saying that, you know, it's not God's message isn't given to the wise and the, you know, what was the exact phrasing there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember what it said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I praise you, hidden things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, here we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that alone feels like...
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of priest patch of pastors, whatever, that will not answer questions if you challenge them, because they're like, well, it's not due to Chess, not yours to challenge God, it's not asking too many questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hand waving thing and it's built in that, nope, you ask questions, you're not supposed to be wise and learned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what specifically, why would God have a problem with being wise and learned?
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're not supposed to eat from the tree of knowledge, friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I put it there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not supposed to have it, though.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I, I, I play this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you don't have to eat it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is why I cannot, this is why I cannot get on board with with religion, because it's basically just saying stop, stop, stop caring about learning and just believe in this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And trust and this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Without education, you will never have a fire to kindle your curiosity and without curiosity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll never gain empathy and therefore keep shooting each other because guns are a great business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: War is good for business.
26:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you how I was born and raised.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was born and raised to always be curious and always want to learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't imagine life being any other way, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when this is said to me that you shouldn't worry about it, you should just like it just stop learning, disgusting, horrible, educated person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really fucking bothers me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No me too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you call an education a worm thing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're fucking worm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You educated worm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, speaking of before we cut out of this episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: anybody who has gotten on our website in any time recently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't gotten on on last like three or four days, you will have missed something that I've done, which I don't have you done?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't normally call it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What have you done?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't normally call it other
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[SPEAKER_00]: producers, other content creators, but there is one in particular that I really respect and admire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love the work that he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's actually a Christian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who the?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is Dan McLean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I have done on my website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website, on our website,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in all of those spots now and they continue to update because he has such great commentary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like it was just necessary to provide that as a mental too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Supplemental information because actually, I feel like we're supplemental to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, not him supplement all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't, I don't really, you know, we are our own platform, we are our own people, we do our thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know we're shouting in my hair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no clue where he doesn't even know
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be shocked, I would be shocked, but I really do admire the work that he does and puts into understanding and explaining the Bible and he does a fantastic job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very educated, which we are not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's exactly everything we're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I go through every episode or every few episodes saying I'm neither a scholar nor an academic and he's both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you, if you would like to like if you've read a if you've listened to one of our episodes, you had more questions, you might do a search on our website for that episode and see if there's a damn McCullum video linked in that episode below it and that will help kind of clarify some things maybe for you that we weren't able to clarify because he really goes and depth them a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we don't know what the fuck we're talking about but he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he does things a lot from
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so anyway enough about that you should go check on our website anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got you know I haven't said this on a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got merchandise over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have links to the discord.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have links to our social medias, which I don't get on enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's all there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you can you can write your your state legislators.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your your national legislators.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're whoever the fuck you want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's there's tools on there to write them letters about
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[SPEAKER_00]: Legislation that is relevant to you in your state and in your district that you can look up right from our website as well as contradiction information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a ton of resources on our website that haven't always been there and it's worth checking out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're trying to build a hub.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really are and it's kind of coming along pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty, it's pretty neat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that being said, uh, you should at the very least coming out with us on Tuesdays at 10 p.m. Eastern on discord because that's what we do our live event, which is listening to this the day it came out is tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you should do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You should click the links.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go to the website and click the link.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't even have to do it in the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do it from our website.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's right there on the main page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you should come hang out with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You definitely should do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just be prepared for some inside jokes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you want to get past that, you'll be fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the crowd is very welcoming and they forgive me my stupidity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's a good time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you all for joining us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate you being here for our episode as always and we will see you next time.