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What Do Students Truly Seek from Educators? · The Wheelhouse

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  Welcome
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  Wheelhouse
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  of
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  Students
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  Matter
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  podcast.
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  What
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  do
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  students
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  today
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  really
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  want
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  from
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  the
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  adults
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  who
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  serve
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  them?
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  There's
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  so
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  much
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  to
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  talk
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  about.
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  A
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  new
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  episode
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  of
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  the
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  Wheelhouse
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  begins
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  right
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  now.
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  The
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  future
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  of
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  education
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  depends
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  on
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  a
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  radical
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  humanization
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  of
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  schools.
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  Places
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  where
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  hope
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  is
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  cultivated,
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  opportunities
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  are
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  opened,
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  and
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  innovation
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  is
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  harnessed
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  to
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  serve
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  humanity.
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  Only
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  then
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  can
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  we
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  create
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  futures
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  worthy
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  of
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  each
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  student's
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  dreams.
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  We
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  begin
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  by
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  cultivating
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  hope.
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  We
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  ensure
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  possibilities
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  are
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  real
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  and
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  accessible.
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  We
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  design
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  futures
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  rooted
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  in
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  humanity.
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  The
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  future
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  is
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  already
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  here,
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  and
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  it
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  must
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  be
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  deeply
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  human
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  centered.
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  The
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  Wheelhouse
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  exists
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  to
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  create
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  an
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  inclusive
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  community
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  of
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  empowered
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  educators
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  who
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  believe
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  that
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  together
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  we
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  can
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  disrupt
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  the
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  transactional
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  nature
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  of
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  schooling
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  and
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  reimagine
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  what
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  it
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  means
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  to
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  learn,
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  lead,
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  and
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  belong.
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  We
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  envision
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  districts,
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  schools
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  and
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  classrooms
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  where
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  every
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  student
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  feels
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  confident,
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  capable,
• 1:21
  optimistic,
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  well
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  supported,
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  and
• 1:24
  emboldened
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  to
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  be
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  and
• 1:26
  to
• 1:26
  become
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  who
• 1:27
  they're
• 1:28
  meant
• 1:28
  to
• 1:28
  be.
• 1:30
  In
• 1:30
  today's
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  episode
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  of
• 1:32
  the
• 1:32
  Wheelhouse.
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  This
• 1:34
  season,
• 1:34
  we've
• 1:34
  been
• 1:34
  exploring
• 1:35
  what
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  it
• 1:35
  truly
• 1:36
  means
• 1:36
  to
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  build
• 1:37
  future
• 1:37
  ready
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  schools.
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  Systems
• 1:39
  where
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  innovation
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  isn't
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  just
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  about
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  technology
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  or
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  new
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  initiatives,
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  but
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  it's
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  about
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  centering
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  humanity
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  in
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  every
• 1:46
  decision
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  we
• 1:47
  make.
• 1:47
  Over
• 1:48
  the
• 1:48
  last
• 1:48
  episodes,
• 1:49
  our
• 1:49
  guests
• 1:49
  have
• 1:49
  pushed
• 1:50
  us
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  to
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  look
• 1:50
  deeper.
• 1:51
  Dr.
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  Janice
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  Gobert
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  reminded
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  us
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  that
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  data
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  can
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  illuminate
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  inequities
• 1:55
  we
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  often
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  miss.
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  Chiara
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  Latimer
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  challenged
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  us
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  to
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  design
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  environments
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  where
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  belonging
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  isn't
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  a
• 2:01
  bonus,
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  but
• 2:02
  a
• 2:02
  baseline.
• 2:03
  Neal
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  Curry
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  pushed
• 2:05
  our
• 2:05
  thinking
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  about
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  representation,
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  systems
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  and
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  coherence.
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  Dr.
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  Franklin
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  Campbell
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  Jones
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  urged
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  us
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  to
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  confront
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  the
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  human
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  stories
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  beneath
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  our
• 2:15
  structures.
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  Today,
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  we
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  shift
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  from
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  these
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  big
• 2:19
  ideas
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  to
• 2:21
  the
• 2:21
  people
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  at
• 2:22
  the
• 2:22
  heart
• 2:22
  of
• 2:22
  this
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  work,
• 2:24
  our
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  students.
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  We're
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  joined
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  by
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  James
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  Vaneda,
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  a
• 2:28
  leader
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  in
• 2:29
  Student
• 2:29
  Support
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  Services
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  who
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  spends
• 2:31
  his
• 2:31
  days
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  navigating
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  the
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  realities
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  students
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  face
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  and
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  the
• 2:35
  needs
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  they
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  voice,
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  sometimes
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  subtly,
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  sometimes
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  loudly,
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  always
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  honestly.
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  This
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  episode
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  is
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  a
• 2:43
  preview
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  of
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  what
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  we
• 2:44
  expect
• 2:45
  to
• 2:45
  hear
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  directly
• 2:46
  from
• 2:46
  students
• 2:47
  in
• 2:48
  a
• 2:48
  future
• 2:48
  episode.
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  Think
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  of
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  it
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  as
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  a
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  forecast
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  from
• 2:51
  someone
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  who
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  listens
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  to
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  them
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  every
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  day.
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  Together,
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  we'll
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  explore
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  a
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  simple
• 2:57
  but
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  pressing
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  what
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  do
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  students
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  actually
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  want
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  from
• 3:03
  the
• 3:03
  adults
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  who
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  serve
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  them?
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  And
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  more
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  importantly,
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  are
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  we
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  prepared
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  to
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  respond?
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  Let's
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  dive
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  in.
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  Good
• 3:18
  morning
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  and
• 3:19
  welcome
• 3:19
  back
• 3:20
  to
• 3:20
  the
• 3:20
  Wheelhouse.
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  It's
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  Tuesday
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  morning
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  and
• 3:22
  I
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  am
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  back
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  with
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  the
• 3:24
  Wheelhouse
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  team.
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  So
• 3:25
  first,
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  good
• 3:26
  morning
• 3:26
  to
• 3:26
  Kathy
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  Mone,
• 3:27
  Michael
• 3:28
  Pipa
• 3:28
  and
• 3:28
  Dr.
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  Alicia
• 3:29
  Munro.
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  Good
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  morning.
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  Good
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  morning.
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  I
• 3:34
  don't
• 3:34
  know.
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  Is
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  that
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  Dr.
• 3:35
  Alicia
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  Monroe
• 3:36
  or
• 3:36
  Mrs.
• 3:37
  Claus
• 3:38
  joining
• 3:38
  us
• 3:39
  today?
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  Happy
• 3:41
  holidays.
• 3:42
  Happy
• 3:43
  holidays.
• 3:44
  She
• 3:45
  came
• 3:45
  in
• 3:46
  in
• 3:46
  the
• 3:46
  studio
• 3:47
  in
• 3:47
  disguise
• 3:48
  this
• 3:48
  morning.
• 3:49
  Yes,
• 3:49
  it's
• 3:49
  a
• 3:49
  good
• 3:49
  thing
• 3:50
  that
• 3:52
  bring
• 3:52
  in
• 3:53
  the
• 3:53
  cheer,
• 3:53
  even
• 3:54
  her
• 3:54
  name
• 3:54
  says
• 3:55
  Mrs.
• 3:55
  Claus.
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  Yes.
• 3:57
  I
• 3:57
  am
• 3:58
  super
• 3:58
  confused
• 3:59
  today
• 3:59
  with
• 3:59
  who's
• 4:00
  here
• 4:00
  in
• 4:01
  the
• 4:01
  wheelhouse.
• 4:02
  Right.
• 4:03
  But
• 4:03
  I'm
• 4:03
  not
• 4:03
  confused
• 4:04
  because
• 4:04
  we're
• 4:05
  welcoming
• 4:05
  back
• 4:05
  one
• 4:06
  of
• 4:06
  our
• 4:06
  guests
• 4:06
  who
• 4:06
  has
• 4:07
  been
• 4:07
  in
• 4:07
  the
• 4:07
  wheelhouse
• 4:08
  several
• 4:08
  times.
• 4:09
  And
• 4:09
  we're
• 4:10
  really,
• 4:10
  really
• 4:10
  excited
• 4:12
  to
• 4:12
  be
• 4:12
  talking
• 4:13
  today
• 4:14
  about
• 4:15
  students
• 4:15
  and
• 4:16
  really
• 4:16
  thinking
• 4:17
  about
• 4:17
  this
• 4:18
  from
• 4:18
  their
• 4:18
  lens.
• 4:19
  So
• 4:19
  first
• 4:20
  we're
• 4:20
  just
• 4:20
  going
• 4:20
  to
• 4:20
  say,
• 4:21
  welcome
• 4:22
  back
• 4:22
  to
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  wheelhouse.
• 4:23
  Jim
• 4:23
  Vanada.
• 4:24
  Good
• 4:24
  morning,
• 4:25
  sir.
• 4:26
  Good
• 4:26
  morning.
• 4:26
  It's
• 4:27
  good
• 4:27
  to
• 4:27
  be
• 4:27
  back.
• 4:28
  We've
• 4:28
  missed
• 4:29
  you.
• 4:29
  It's
• 4:29
  been
• 4:29
  a
• 4:30
  whole
• 4:30
  season
• 4:30
  without
• 4:30
  you
• 4:31
  and
• 4:31
  we
• 4:31
  are
• 4:31
  thrilled
• 4:32
  that
• 4:32
  you're
• 4:32
  back.
• 4:33
  Yeah,
• 4:34
  I
• 4:34
  miss
• 4:34
  you,
• 4:35
  too.
• 4:37
  We
• 4:38
  have
• 4:38
  been
• 4:38
  talking
• 4:39
  in
• 4:39
  this
• 4:40
  season
• 4:41
  about
• 4:41
  future
• 4:42
  ready
• 4:42
  schools
• 4:43
  and
• 4:43
  innovation
• 4:43
  rooted
• 4:44
  in
• 4:44
  humanity.
• 4:44
  We've
• 4:45
  been
• 4:45
  looking
• 4:45
  at
• 4:45
  it
• 4:46
  from
• 4:46
  several
• 4:46
  different
• 4:47
  lenses.
• 4:47
  And
• 4:48
  next
• 4:48
  week
• 4:49
  in
• 4:49
  our
• 4:50
  season
• 4:50
  finale,
• 4:51
  we'll
• 4:51
  wrap
• 4:51
  all
• 4:51
  that
• 4:52
  up.
• 4:52
  We
• 4:52
  had
• 4:52
  a
• 4:53
  great
• 4:53
  conversation
• 4:54
  just
• 4:54
  amongst
• 4:55
  the
• 4:55
  team
• 4:56
  in
• 4:56
  last
• 4:56
  week's
• 4:57
  episode
• 4:57
  to
• 4:57
  say,
• 4:58
  hey,
• 4:58
  what
• 4:58
  are
• 4:58
  we
• 4:58
  hearing?
• 4:59
  What
• 4:59
  are
• 4:59
  those
• 4:59
  big
• 4:59
  ideas
• 5:00
  that
• 5:00
  we
• 5:01
  are
• 5:01
  hearing?
• 5:01
  But
• 5:01
  all
• 5:02
  of
• 5:02
  that
• 5:02
  comes
• 5:02
  from
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  adult
• 5:04
  lens,
• 5:05
  right?
• 5:05
  That
• 5:06
  comes
• 5:06
  from
• 5:06
  the
• 5:07
  adult
• 5:07
  lens.
• 5:07
  And
• 5:08
  we
• 5:08
  think
• 5:08
  about,
• 5:09
  we
• 5:09
  often
• 5:10
  think
• 5:10
  about
• 5:11
  this
• 5:11
  idea
• 5:11
  of
• 5:12
  future
• 5:12
  ready
• 5:13
  schools,
• 5:13
  innovation
• 5:14
  in
• 5:14
  humanity.
• 5:14
  And
• 5:15
  we
• 5:15
  talk
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  lot
• 5:16
  about
• 5:17
  students.
• 5:17
  But
• 5:18
  it's
• 5:18
  time
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  really
• 5:18
  put
• 5:19
  our
• 5:19
  money
• 5:19
  where
• 5:19
  our
• 5:19
  mouth
• 5:19
  is
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  start
• 5:20
  to
• 5:21
  think
• 5:21
  about,
• 5:22
  what
• 5:22
  would
• 5:23
  students
• 5:24
  tell
• 5:24
  us?
• 5:25
  What
• 5:26
  do
• 5:26
  they
• 5:26
  want
• 5:27
  from
• 5:27
  us?
• 5:28
  And
• 5:28
  so
• 5:28
  we're
• 5:28
  gonna
• 5:29
  kind
• 5:29
  of
• 5:29
  do
• 5:29
  this
• 5:29
  in
• 5:29
  two
• 5:29
  parts
• 5:30
  because
• 5:31
  Jim
• 5:31
  spends
• 5:32
  his
• 5:32
  ent
• 5:33
  every
• 5:33
  day
• 5:34
  in
• 5:34
  his
• 5:34
  entire
• 5:34
  career
• 5:35
  listening
• 5:36
  to
• 5:36
  students
• 5:37
  from
• 5:37
  the
• 5:38
  K12
• 5:39
  to
• 5:39
  the
• 5:39
  higher
• 5:40
  ed.
• 5:40
  He's
• 5:40
  been
• 5:40
  all
• 5:41
  over
• 5:41
  the
• 5:41
  place.
• 5:41
  He's
• 5:41
  listened
• 5:42
  to
• 5:42
  students.
• 5:43
  He's
• 5:43
  spent
• 5:43
  his
• 5:44
  career
• 5:44
  there.
• 5:45
  So
• 5:45
  we're
• 5:46
  going
• 5:46
  to
• 5:46
  talk
• 5:46
  to
• 5:46
  him
• 5:47
  today
• 5:47
  about
• 5:47
  what
• 5:47
  it
• 5:48
  is
• 5:48
  that
• 5:48
  he
• 5:48
  thinks
• 5:49
  and
• 5:50
  all
• 5:50
  of
• 5:50
  us
• 5:50
  think.
• 5:50
  What
• 5:51
  are
• 5:51
  we
• 5:51
  going
• 5:51
  to
• 5:51
  hear
• 5:52
  when
• 5:52
  we
• 5:52
  ask
• 5:53
  students?
• 5:53
  And
• 5:54
  then
• 5:54
  when
• 5:54
  we
• 5:54
  come
• 5:54
  back
• 5:55
  in
• 5:55
  season
• 5:55
  12,
• 5:57
  we're
• 5:58
  going
• 5:58
  to
• 5:58
  hear
• 5:58
  directly
• 5:59
  from
• 6:00
  students
• 6:00
  themselves.
• 6:01
  We're
• 6:01
  going
• 6:02
  to
• 6:02
  have
• 6:02
  a
• 6:02
  panel
• 6:03
  of
• 6:03
  students
• 6:04
  come
• 6:04
  in
• 6:04
  and
• 6:05
  tell
• 6:05
  us
• 6:05
  if
• 6:06
  we
• 6:06
  forecasted
• 6:07
  correctly
• 6:08
  or
• 6:08
  if
• 6:08
  we
• 6:08
  need
• 6:09
  an
• 6:09
  attitude
• 6:09
  adjustment
• 6:10
  ourselves
• 6:11
  to
• 6:11
  think
• 6:11
  about
• 6:11
  what
• 6:12
  it
• 6:12
  is
• 6:12
  that
• 6:12
  they
• 6:13
  really
• 6:13
  want.
• 6:13
  So
• 6:14
  that's
• 6:14
  kind
• 6:14
  of
• 6:14
  where
• 6:14
  we
• 6:15
  are
• 6:16
  today.
• 6:17
  Let's
• 6:18
  get
• 6:18
  started.
• 6:20
  They
• 6:21
  are
• 6:21
  so
• 6:21
  rooted
• 6:22
  in
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  now.
• 6:24
  Right
• 6:24
  now
• 6:25
  is
• 6:25
  what
• 6:25
  matters.
• 6:27
  And
• 6:28
  it
• 6:28
  is
• 6:28
  not
• 6:29
  that
• 6:29
  we
• 6:29
  shouldn't
• 6:29
  be
• 6:29
  helping
• 6:30
  them
• 6:30
  plan
• 6:30
  for
• 6:31
  the
• 6:31
  future,
• 6:31
  but
• 6:31
  what
• 6:32
  they
• 6:32
  care
• 6:32
  about
• 6:33
  right
• 6:33
  now
• 6:33
  is
• 6:34
  what
• 6:34
  they're
• 6:35
  doing
• 6:36
  right
• 6:36
  now.
• 6:37
  I
• 6:37
  think
• 6:37
  of
• 6:38
  my
• 6:38
  niece
• 6:38
  as
• 6:38
  an
• 6:38
  example.
• 6:39
  I'm
• 6:39
  hoping
• 6:39
  she
• 6:40
  comes
• 6:40
  on
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  the
• 6:40
  student
• 6:41
  panel.
• 6:42
  She
• 6:42
  wants
• 6:42
  to
• 6:42
  be
• 6:42
  an
• 6:43
  artist.
• 6:43
  She
• 6:43
  has
• 6:43
  always
• 6:44
  wanted
• 6:44
  to
• 6:44
  be
• 6:44
  an
• 6:44
  artist.
• 6:45
  She
• 6:45
  is
• 6:45
  going
• 6:45
  to
• 6:46
  an
• 6:46
  art
• 6:46
  preparation
• 6:47
  high
• 6:47
  school.
• 6:48
  If
• 6:49
  you
• 6:49
  talk
• 6:49
  to
• 6:49
  her
• 6:50
  about
• 6:51
  her
• 6:51
  interests,
• 6:52
  she
• 6:52
  is
• 6:52
  very
• 6:53
  interested
• 6:53
  in
• 6:54
  what
• 6:54
  is
• 6:54
  right
• 6:55
  now.
• 6:55
  She's
• 6:56
  had
• 6:56
  so
• 6:56
  many
• 6:56
  ideas
• 6:57
  about
• 6:57
  what
• 6:57
  she
• 6:57
  wants
• 6:58
  to
• 6:58
  do
• 6:58
  in
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  future,
• 6:59
  but
• 6:59
  it's
• 7:00
  the
• 7:00
  current
• 7:01
  moment
• 7:03
  that
• 7:03
  is
• 7:04
  taking
• 7:04
  up
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  majority
• 7:05
  of
• 7:05
  her
• 7:06
  brain.
• 7:07
  And
• 7:07
  so
• 7:08
  future
• 7:08
  readiness,
• 7:10
  yeah,
• 7:10
  she
• 7:10
  wants
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  be
• 7:11
  prepared,
• 7:11
  but
• 7:13
  she's
• 7:13
  just
• 7:13
  excited
• 7:14
  about
• 7:14
  her
• 7:14
  current
• 7:14
  project
• 7:15
  and
• 7:15
  she'll
• 7:15
  tell
• 7:15
  you
• 7:15
  all
• 7:15
  about
• 7:16
  that.
• 7:16
  If
• 7:17
  we
• 7:17
  were
• 7:17
  to
• 7:18
  say
• 7:18
  to
• 7:18
  students,
• 7:19
  hey,
• 7:20
  you
• 7:21
  could
• 7:21
  talk
• 7:21
  to
• 7:22
  all
• 7:22
  the
• 7:22
  educators
• 7:23
  in
• 7:23
  America,
• 7:24
  right?
• 7:25
  What
• 7:25
  do
• 7:25
  you
• 7:25
  want
• 7:25
  them
• 7:26
  to
• 7:26
  hear?
• 7:26
  What
• 7:26
  do
• 7:26
  you
• 7:26
  want
• 7:27
  from
• 7:27
  all
• 7:27
  these
• 7:27
  adults
• 7:28
  who
• 7:28
  spend
• 7:28
  their
• 7:28
  day
• 7:29
  with
• 7:29
  you
• 7:29
  day
• 7:30
  after
• 7:30
  day,
• 7:31
  year
• 7:31
  after
• 7:31
  year?
• 7:32
  What
• 7:32
  do
• 7:33
  you
• 7:33
  want
• 7:33
  them
• 7:33
  to
• 7:33
  know?
• 7:34
  What
• 7:34
  do
• 7:34
  you
• 7:34
  want
• 7:34
  from
• 7:35
  them?
• 7:35
  Yes,
• 7:36
  a
• 7:36
  really
• 7:36
  small
• 7:36
  question
• 7:37
  there.
• 7:38
  Exactly.
• 7:39
  Exactly.
• 7:42
  I
• 7:42
  think
• 7:42
  we
• 7:42
  talk
• 7:42
  a
• 7:43
  lot
• 7:43
  about
• 7:43
  care,
• 7:43
  right.
• 7:44
  And
• 7:45
  empathy,
• 7:45
  but
• 7:46
  they
• 7:46
  also
• 7:47
  want
• 7:47
  to
• 7:47
  be
• 7:47
  interested.
• 7:49
  They
• 7:49
  want
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  adults
• 7:51
  to
• 7:51
  tell
• 7:51
  them
• 7:51
  something
• 7:52
  interesting.
• 7:53
  And
• 7:53
  that's
• 7:54
  obviously
• 7:55
  different
• 7:55
  for
• 7:55
  every
• 7:56
  kid.
• 7:56
  But
• 7:56
  why,
• 7:57
  why
• 7:57
  do
• 7:57
  I
• 7:57
  care?
• 7:57
  That's
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  question
• 7:58
  we
• 7:58
  get
• 7:58
  all
• 7:59
  the
• 7:59
  time.
• 7:59
  Why
• 7:59
  should
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  care
• 7:59
  about
• 8:00
  this?
• 8:00
  I.
• 8:01
  Tell
• 8:01
  me
• 8:01
  something
• 8:02
  interesting
• 8:02
  to
• 8:03
  me
• 8:03
  in
• 8:03
  this
• 8:04
  moment.
• 8:04
  And
• 8:05
  in
• 8:05
  order
• 8:05
  to
• 8:05
  do
• 8:06
  that,
• 8:06
  in
• 8:06
  order
• 8:06
  to
• 8:07
  tell
• 8:07
  some
• 8:08
  student
• 8:08
  something
• 8:09
  interesting
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  them,
• 8:11
  what
• 8:12
  do
• 8:12
  we
• 8:12
  have
• 8:12
  to
• 8:12
  know
• 8:12
  about
• 8:12
  them?
• 8:13
  First
• 8:13
  might
• 8:14
  have
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  know
• 8:14
  what
• 8:14
  they're
• 8:14
  interested
• 8:15
  in.
• 8:15
  Right.
• 8:17
  Need
• 8:17
  to
• 8:17
  know
• 8:17
  a
• 8:17
  little
• 8:18
  bit
• 8:18
  about
• 8:18
  them
• 8:19
  and
• 8:20
  what
• 8:20
  sparks
• 8:21
  that
• 8:21
  interest
• 8:21
  and
• 8:22
  what,
• 8:22
  what
• 8:22
  brings
• 8:23
  that
• 8:23
  light
• 8:23
  to
• 8:24
  their
• 8:24
  eyes?
• 8:25
  Um,
• 8:26
  and
• 8:27
  I
• 8:27
  think
• 8:27
  a
• 8:27
  lot
• 8:27
  of
• 8:27
  kids
• 8:27
  don't
• 8:27
  know
• 8:28
  what
• 8:28
  that
• 8:28
  is
• 8:28
  yet.
• 8:28
  They
• 8:29
  haven't
• 8:29
  found
• 8:29
  that.
• 8:30
  They,
• 8:30
  they,
• 8:31
  they
• 8:31
  haven't
• 8:31
  found
• 8:31
  that
• 8:32
  passion.
• 8:32
  And
• 8:33
  sometimes
• 8:33
  they
• 8:33
  need
• 8:33
  to
• 8:33
  see
• 8:34
  that
• 8:34
  reflected
• 8:34
  as
• 8:35
  they're
• 8:35
  talking
• 8:35
  and
• 8:36
  have
• 8:36
  an
• 8:36
  educator
• 8:37
  say,
• 8:37
  wow,
• 8:38
  did
• 8:39
  you
• 8:39
  know
• 8:40
  that
• 8:40
  when
• 8:40
  we
• 8:40
  were
• 8:40
  talking
• 8:41
  about
• 8:43
  cell
• 8:43
  biology,
• 8:44
  your
• 8:44
  eyes
• 8:44
  lit
• 8:45
  up?
• 8:45
  You,
• 8:46
  you
• 8:46
  seem
• 8:46
  really
• 8:46
  interested
• 8:47
  in
• 8:47
  this.
• 8:48
  They
• 8:48
  might
• 8:48
  not
• 8:48
  have
• 8:48
  been
• 8:49
  able
• 8:49
  to
• 8:49
  identify
• 8:49
  that
• 8:50
  for
• 8:50
  themselves.
• 8:51
  And
• 8:51
  that
• 8:51
  to
• 8:51
  me
• 8:52
  shouts
• 8:53
  connection.
• 8:53
  Right?
• 8:54
  So
• 8:54
  how,
• 8:55
  how
• 8:55
  are
• 8:56
  we
• 8:56
  connecting?
• 8:57
  And
• 8:58
  I
• 8:59
  think
• 8:59
  that
• 9:00
  students
• 9:01
  want
• 9:02
  that.
• 9:02
  They
• 9:02
  crave
• 9:03
  that.
• 9:04
  I
• 9:04
  had
• 9:04
  the
• 9:05
  privilege
• 9:05
  of
• 9:06
  being
• 9:07
  at
• 9:07
  a
• 9:07
  conference
• 9:07
  last
• 9:08
  week
• 9:08
  and
• 9:08
  listened
• 9:09
  in
• 9:10
  on
• 9:10
  a
• 9:11
  student
• 9:11
  panel.
• 9:12
  And
• 9:12
  these
• 9:14
  three
• 9:14
  beautiful
• 9:16
  young
• 9:16
  men
• 9:17
  who
• 9:17
  are
• 9:17
  now,
• 9:18
  you
• 9:18
  know,
• 9:18
  in
• 9:18
  college,
• 9:21
  when
• 9:21
  they
• 9:21
  were
• 9:21
  asked,
• 9:22
  you
• 9:22
  know,
• 9:22
  you're.
• 9:23
  You're
• 9:23
  sitting
• 9:23
  in
• 9:24
  a
• 9:24
  room
• 9:24
  full
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  educators.
• 9:25
  What
• 9:25
  do
• 9:25
  you.
• 9:26
  What
• 9:26
  do
• 9:26
  you
• 9:26
  want
• 9:26
  to
• 9:26
  say
• 9:26
  to
• 9:26
  them?
• 9:27
  What
• 9:27
  do
• 9:27
  you,
• 9:27
  what
• 9:28
  do
• 9:28
  you.
• 9:28
  What
• 9:28
  would.
• 9:29
  What
• 9:29
  should
• 9:29
  they
• 9:30
  know
• 9:30
  as
• 9:30
  they
• 9:30
  go
• 9:31
  back
• 9:31
  into
• 9:31
  their
• 9:31
  districts?
• 9:33
  What
• 9:33
  do
• 9:33
  you
• 9:33
  wish
• 9:34
  they
• 9:35
  would
• 9:35
  have
• 9:35
  known
• 9:36
  for
• 9:37
  you?
• 9:37
  And
• 9:38
  the
• 9:38
  very
• 9:39
  first
• 9:39
  word
• 9:39
  was
• 9:40
  connection.
• 9:41
  I.
• 9:43
  Students
• 9:43
  need
• 9:44
  to
• 9:44
  feel
• 9:45
  connected,
• 9:46
  authentically
• 9:48
  connected.
• 9:49
  Right?
• 9:49
  Not
• 9:49
  as
• 9:50
  a
• 9:50
  student
• 9:50
  sitting
• 9:51
  in
• 9:51
  a
• 9:51
  row
• 9:51
  in
• 9:52
  an
• 9:52
  Algebra
• 9:52
  1
• 9:53
  class,
• 9:53
  just
• 9:54
  picking
• 9:54
  on
• 9:54
  algebra
• 9:55
  for
• 9:55
  A
• 9:55
  minute,
• 9:55
  right.
• 9:56
  But
• 9:56
  a
• 9:56
  deep
• 9:57
  human
• 9:58
  connection.
• 9:59
  So
• 9:59
  it's
• 10:00
  interesting
• 10:00
  that
• 10:00
  you.
• 10:01
  We're
• 10:02
  all
• 10:02
  talking
• 10:02
  about
• 10:03
  that
• 10:03
  and
• 10:03
  we're
• 10:04
  sitting
• 10:04
  in
• 10:04
  this
• 10:04
  space
• 10:05
  where,
• 10:05
  you
• 10:06
  know,
• 10:06
  one
• 10:06
  of
• 10:06
  my
• 10:06
  hashtags
• 10:07
  is
• 10:08
  it's
• 10:08
  all
• 10:08
  about
• 10:08
  the
• 10:09
  students.
• 10:09
  And
• 10:09
  that's.
• 10:10
  So
• 10:11
  that's
• 10:11
  what
• 10:11
  we
• 10:11
  do,
• 10:12
  right?
• 10:12
  That's
• 10:12
  our
• 10:12
  enterprise.
• 10:13
  But
• 10:13
  as,
• 10:14
  as
• 10:14
  we
• 10:14
  think
• 10:15
  about
• 10:15
  that,
• 10:16
  it
• 10:16
  seems
• 10:16
  like
• 10:17
  innovation
• 10:18
  rooted
• 10:18
  in
• 10:18
  humanity
• 10:19
  shouldn't
• 10:19
  be
• 10:20
  innovative,
• 10:20
  right?
• 10:21
  It
• 10:21
  should
• 10:21
  be
• 10:22
  something
• 10:22
  that
• 10:22
  is
• 10:22
  authentically
• 10:23
  done.
• 10:25
  It
• 10:26
  should
• 10:26
  be,
• 10:26
  just
• 10:27
  like
• 10:27
  Jim
• 10:27
  said,
• 10:28
  our
• 10:28
  driving
• 10:29
  force.
• 10:30
  It
• 10:30
  should
• 10:30
  be
• 10:32
  more
• 10:32
  of
• 10:32
  the
• 10:32
  status
• 10:33
  quo
• 10:33
  than
• 10:34
  what
• 10:34
  we
• 10:34
  have
• 10:34
  now.
• 10:35
  Because
• 10:35
  if
• 10:36
  we
• 10:36
  are
• 10:36
  focused
• 10:37
  on
• 10:37
  humanity
• 10:39
  and
• 10:39
  we're
• 10:39
  in
• 10:40
  the
• 10:40
  human
• 10:40
  resource
• 10:41
  business,
• 10:41
  I
• 10:41
  always
• 10:42
  say
• 10:42
  that
• 10:42
  it's,
• 10:43
  it's
• 10:43
  an
• 10:43
  enterprise
• 10:44
  of
• 10:44
  a
• 10:45
  human
• 10:45
  based
• 10:46
  system.
• 10:46
  You
• 10:47
  know,
• 10:47
  why
• 10:47
  is
• 10:47
  it
• 10:48
  such
• 10:48
  a
• 10:48
  conundrum?
• 10:50
  Because
• 10:51
  we
• 10:51
  have.
• 10:52
  It's
• 10:53
  because
• 10:53
  what
• 10:53
  we're
• 10:54
  used
• 10:54
  to,
• 10:55
  what,
• 10:55
  what
• 10:56
  seems
• 10:56
  to
• 10:57
  matter
• 10:59
  with
• 10:59
  the
• 10:59
  people
• 10:59
  in
• 11:00
  charge
• 11:00
  is
• 11:00
  that
• 11:01
  this
• 11:01
  is
• 11:01
  just
• 11:01
  really
• 11:02
  about
• 11:02
  herding
• 11:03
  kids
• 11:03
  to
• 11:03
  a
• 11:03
  finish
• 11:04
  line,
• 11:04
  right?
• 11:05
  That
• 11:06
  we
• 11:06
  are
• 11:07
  herding
• 11:08
  kids
• 11:08
  toward
• 11:09
  accountability
• 11:10
  assessments
• 11:11
  so
• 11:11
  that
• 11:12
  we
• 11:12
  can
• 11:12
  cast
• 11:12
  judgment
• 11:13
  on
• 11:13
  schools.
• 11:14
  It's
• 11:14
  the
• 11:14
  only
• 11:14
  way
• 11:14
  that
• 11:15
  legislators
• 11:16
  have
• 11:16
  figured
• 11:17
  out
• 11:17
  how
• 11:17
  to
• 11:17
  determine,
• 11:18
  right,
• 11:19
  Whether
• 11:19
  a
• 11:19
  school
• 11:20
  is
• 11:20
  a
• 11:20
  good
• 11:20
  school
• 11:21
  or
• 11:21
  a
• 11:21
  bad
• 11:21
  school
• 11:22
  is
• 11:22
  to
• 11:23
  force
• 11:24
  all
• 11:24
  of
• 11:24
  this
• 11:25
  accountability
• 11:25
  assessment
• 11:26
  on
• 11:27
  students
• 11:27
  and
• 11:27
  then
• 11:28
  to
• 11:28
  herd
• 11:28
  them
• 11:29
  toward
• 11:29
  that
• 11:29
  finish
• 11:29
  line.
• 11:30
  And
• 11:30
  don't
• 11:30
  be
• 11:31
  confused.
• 11:31
  I
• 11:32
  absolutely
• 11:33
  believe
• 11:34
  it
• 11:34
  is
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  travesty
• 11:36
  if
• 11:36
  we
• 11:36
  are
• 11:36
  not
• 11:36
  teaching
• 11:37
  our
• 11:37
  children
• 11:37
  to
• 11:37
  read,
• 11:38
  if
• 11:38
  we
• 11:38
  are
• 11:38
  not
• 11:38
  teaching
• 11:39
  our
• 11:39
  children
• 11:39
  to
• 11:39
  do
• 11:40
  math.
• 11:41
  But
• 11:42
  what
• 11:42
  we're
• 11:42
  saying
• 11:43
  is,
• 11:44
  isn't
• 11:44
  this
• 11:45
  supposed
• 11:45
  to
• 11:45
  be
• 11:48
  a
• 11:49
  humanizing
• 11:50
  enterprise?
• 11:52
  As
• 11:52
  I
• 11:52
  conduct
• 11:53
  learning
• 11:53
  walks
• 11:54
  at
• 11:54
  schools
• 11:54
  all
• 11:55
  around
• 11:55
  the
• 11:56
  country
• 11:57
  and
• 11:57
  I
• 11:58
  establish
• 12:00
  a
• 12:00
  built
• 12:00
  capacity
• 12:01
  in
• 12:02
  teachers
• 12:02
  and
• 12:03
  educational
• 12:04
  administrators,
• 12:06
  I
• 12:06
  always
• 12:06
  look
• 12:07
  for
• 12:07
  the
• 12:07
  student
• 12:07
  voice.
• 12:09
  And
• 12:09
  how
• 12:09
  many
• 12:09
  students
• 12:10
  have
• 12:10
  you
• 12:10
  interviewed
• 12:11
  in
• 12:11
  that
• 12:12
  classroom
• 12:13
  that
• 12:14
  really
• 12:15
  reflects
• 12:16
  what
• 12:17
  that
• 12:17
  common
• 12:17
  learning
• 12:18
  experience
• 12:18
  is?
• 12:19
  And
• 12:19
  there
• 12:19
  are
• 12:20
  three
• 12:20
  simple
• 12:21
  questions.
• 12:22
  What
• 12:22
  am
• 12:22
  I
• 12:22
  learning
• 12:23
  today?
• 12:23
  Why
• 12:24
  does
• 12:24
  it
• 12:24
  matter
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  me?
• 12:26
  And
• 12:26
  how
• 12:26
  does
• 12:26
  it
• 12:27
  relate
• 12:27
  to
• 12:27
  my
• 12:27
  lived
• 12:28
  experience?
• 12:29
  That's
• 12:29
  what
• 12:29
  students
• 12:30
  want,
• 12:30
  right?
• 12:31
  So
• 12:32
  let's
• 12:33
  elevate
• 12:33
  and
• 12:34
  uplift
• 12:34
  some
• 12:34
  of
• 12:34
  the
• 12:35
  questions,
• 12:36
  right,
• 12:37
  that
• 12:37
  we
• 12:37
  started
• 12:37
  to
• 12:38
  explore
• 12:38
  at
• 12:38
  the
• 12:38
  beginning
• 12:39
  of
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  recording,
• 12:40
  right?
• 12:40
  Why
• 12:41
  I
• 12:41
  think
• 12:41
  about
• 12:41
  Jim's
• 12:42
  niece,
• 12:42
  right?
• 12:43
  She's
• 12:43
  in
• 12:43
  the
• 12:44
  now,
• 12:44
  right?
• 12:45
  That,
• 12:45
  that,
• 12:46
  that
• 12:46
  art
• 12:46
  goal
• 12:47
  is
• 12:47
  in
• 12:47
  the
• 12:47
  now.
• 12:48
  So,
• 12:49
  so
• 12:49
  why
• 12:49
  does
• 12:50
  algebra
• 12:50
  matter
• 12:51
  to
• 12:51
  her
• 12:52
  and
• 12:52
  how
• 12:53
  does
• 12:53
  that
• 12:53
  relate
• 12:53
  to
• 12:54
  her
• 12:54
  lived
• 12:54
  experience?
• 12:55
  I
• 12:56
  am
• 12:56
  a
• 12:56
  proponent
• 12:57
  of
• 12:57
  high
• 12:57
  quality
• 12:58
  education.
• 12:58
  Yes,
• 12:59
  Johnny
• 12:59
  has
• 13:00
  to
• 13:00
  read
• 13:00
  and
• 13:00
  Sally
• 13:00
  has
• 13:01
  to
• 13:01
  do
• 13:01
  math
• 13:01
  and
• 13:01
  we
• 13:02
  have
• 13:02
  to
• 13:02
  go
• 13:02
  on
• 13:02
  and
• 13:02
  on
• 13:03
  and
• 13:03
  on
• 13:03
  and.
• 13:04
  But
• 13:04
  Kathy,
• 13:04
  where
• 13:05
  is
• 13:05
  that
• 13:05
  connection?
• 13:06
  How
• 13:06
  are
• 13:07
  we
• 13:07
  relating
• 13:07
  this
• 13:08
  to
• 13:09
  what
• 13:09
  means
• 13:10
  the
• 13:10
  most
• 13:10
  to
• 13:10
  the
• 13:11
  students?
• 13:11
  That
• 13:11
  we
• 13:11
  serve.
• 13:12
  Jim,
• 13:12
  when
• 13:13
  a
• 13:13
  student
• 13:13
  feels
• 13:14
  connected,
• 13:14
  what
• 13:15
  do
• 13:15
  they
• 13:15
  say
• 13:15
  to
• 13:16
  you?
• 13:16
  When
• 13:16
  you
• 13:16
  hear
• 13:16
  about
• 13:17
  a
• 13:17
  student
• 13:18
  who
• 13:18
  feels.
• 13:19
  You're
• 13:19
  talking
• 13:19
  to
• 13:20
  a
• 13:20
  student
• 13:20
  who
• 13:20
  feels
• 13:21
  genuinely
• 13:22
  connected
• 13:23
  to
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  experiences
• 13:24
  that
• 13:25
  they
• 13:26
  have
• 13:26
  every
• 13:26
  day,
• 13:26
  what
• 13:27
  do
• 13:27
  they.
• 13:27
  How
• 13:28
  do
• 13:28
  they
• 13:28
  talk
• 13:28
  about
• 13:28
  that?
• 13:29
  There's.
• 13:30
  There's
• 13:30
  a
• 13:31
  bit
• 13:31
  of
• 13:31
  un.
• 13:32
  Uninhibited.
• 13:33
  It's
• 13:34
  uninhibited
• 13:35
  speech,
• 13:35
  right?
• 13:35
  They.
• 13:35
  They
• 13:36
  just
• 13:36
  talk.
• 13:36
  It.
• 13:37
  It
• 13:37
  doesn't
• 13:37
  actually
• 13:38
  matter
• 13:38
  what
• 13:38
  they're
• 13:39
  talking
• 13:39
  about
• 13:40
  because
• 13:41
  they
• 13:41
  open
• 13:42
  up
• 13:42
  and
• 13:43
  they
• 13:43
  talk
• 13:43
  about
• 13:43
  what
• 13:43
  they
• 13:44
  want
• 13:44
  to
• 13:44
  talk
• 13:45
  about.
• 13:45
  You
• 13:46
  know,
• 13:46
  sometimes
• 13:46
  I'm
• 13:46
  trying
• 13:47
  to
• 13:47
  steer
• 13:47
  someone
• 13:48
  back
• 13:48
  in.
• 13:49
  I'm
• 13:49
  like,
• 13:49
  all
• 13:49
  right.
• 13:50
  But
• 13:50
  letting
• 13:51
  them
• 13:51
  have
• 13:51
  that
• 13:52
  moment
• 13:52
  to
• 13:52
  just
• 13:53
  open
• 13:53
  up
• 13:54
  and
• 13:54
  talk
• 13:55
  about
• 13:55
  what
• 13:55
  they
• 13:55
  need
• 13:55
  to
• 13:56
  talk
• 13:56
  about,
• 13:57
  what's
• 13:57
  exciting
• 13:57
  in
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  moment.
• 14:00
  I
• 14:00
  think
• 14:01
  about
• 14:01
  a
• 14:01
  lot
• 14:01
  of
• 14:01
  our
• 14:01
  students
• 14:02
  who
• 14:02
  are
• 14:02
  neurodivergent
• 14:04
  and
• 14:04
  have
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  special
• 14:05
  interest,
• 14:05
  and
• 14:06
  that's
• 14:06
  actually
• 14:06
  all
• 14:07
  they
• 14:07
  want
• 14:07
  to
• 14:07
  talk
• 14:08
  about.
• 14:09
  They
• 14:09
  don't
• 14:09
  want
• 14:09
  to
• 14:10
  talk
• 14:10
  about
• 14:10
  school.
• 14:10
  They
• 14:10
  don't
• 14:11
  want
• 14:11
  to
• 14:11
  talk
• 14:11
  about
• 14:11
  other
• 14:11
  things.
• 14:12
  They
• 14:12
  want
• 14:12
  to
• 14:13
  talk
• 14:13
  about
• 14:14
  trains
• 14:14
  or
• 14:14
  maps
• 14:15
  or
• 14:15
  birds.
• 14:17
  And
• 14:18
  they
• 14:18
  are
• 14:19
  so
• 14:19
  often
• 14:19
  told,
• 14:19
  stop.
• 14:20
  That's
• 14:20
  not
• 14:20
  appropriate.
• 14:21
  Don't.
• 14:22
  And
• 14:23
  whether
• 14:23
  a
• 14:23
  student
• 14:23
  is
• 14:24
  neurodivergent
• 14:24
  or
• 14:25
  not,
• 14:25
  many
• 14:26
  of
• 14:26
  them
• 14:26
  have
• 14:26
  been
• 14:26
  told,
• 14:27
  bottle
• 14:27
  that
• 14:27
  up.
• 14:28
  That's
• 14:28
  not
• 14:28
  appropriate
• 14:29
  for
• 14:29
  right
• 14:29
  now.
• 14:30
  And
• 14:31
  so
• 14:31
  it
• 14:31
  might
• 14:31
  not
• 14:32
  be
• 14:32
  conversation
• 14:32
  about
• 14:33
  school,
• 14:33
  but
• 14:34
  whatever
• 14:35
  is
• 14:35
  exciting
• 14:35
  will
• 14:36
  bubble
• 14:36
  out
• 14:37
  when
• 14:38
  a
• 14:38
  student
• 14:39
  feels
• 14:39
  connection
• 14:40
  and
• 14:40
  has
• 14:40
  that
• 14:41
  trust,
• 14:42
  because
• 14:42
  they
• 14:42
  know
• 14:42
  that
• 14:43
  it's
• 14:43
  okay
• 14:43
  to
• 14:44
  sort
• 14:44
  of
• 14:44
  let.
• 14:45
  Let
• 14:45
  that
• 14:45
  cork
• 14:45
  off
• 14:46
  that
• 14:46
  bottle,
• 14:47
  let
• 14:47
  it
• 14:47
  come
• 14:47
  out.
• 14:48
  And
• 14:48
  we
• 14:48
  might
• 14:49
  contain
• 14:49
  it
• 14:49
  a
• 14:49
  little
• 14:50
  bit,
• 14:50
  we
• 14:50
  might
• 14:51
  shift
• 14:51
  focus,
• 14:52
  but
• 14:53
  only
• 14:54
  after
• 14:55
  they
• 14:56
  know
• 14:56
  that
• 14:56
  they're
• 14:57
  safe
• 14:57
  to
• 14:57
  just
• 14:58
  be
• 14:58
  themselves
• 14:59
  in
• 14:59
  whatever
• 15:00
  way
• 15:00
  that
• 15:00
  is.
• 15:01
  Whether
• 15:02
  I'm
• 15:02
  interested
• 15:02
  or
• 15:03
  not.
• 15:03
  I'm
• 15:04
  excited
• 15:04
  to
• 15:04
  see
• 15:04
  a
• 15:05
  student
• 15:05
  get
• 15:05
  excited.
• 15:06
  We
• 15:07
  have
• 15:07
  this
• 15:08
  constant
• 15:09
  conversation
• 15:09
  around
• 15:11
  chronic
• 15:11
  absenteeism,
• 15:13
  right?
• 15:13
  And
• 15:15
  it's
• 15:15
  a
• 15:15
  chicken
• 15:15
  or
• 15:16
  the
• 15:16
  egg.
• 15:16
  Is
• 15:16
  it
• 15:16
  engagement?
• 15:17
  Is
• 15:17
  it
• 15:17
  academics?
• 15:18
  You
• 15:18
  know,
• 15:18
  we
• 15:19
  just
• 15:19
  back
• 15:20
  forth,
• 15:20
  back
• 15:20
  and
• 15:20
  forth.
• 15:20
  And
• 15:21
  while
• 15:22
  we.
• 15:22
  We
• 15:22
  don't
• 15:23
  know
• 15:23
  whether
• 15:23
  our
• 15:23
  students,
• 15:24
  you
• 15:24
  know,
• 15:24
  academically.
• 15:25
  Struggling
• 15:26
  academically
• 15:27
  because
• 15:27
  they're
• 15:27
  not
• 15:27
  engaging.
• 15:28
  So
• 15:28
  you
• 15:28
  can't
• 15:28
  do
• 15:29
  anything
• 15:29
  until
• 15:29
  they
• 15:29
  engage.
• 15:30
  Well,
• 15:30
  why.
• 15:31
  And
• 15:31
  we're
• 15:32
  not
• 15:32
  talking
• 15:33
  about
• 15:33
  why
• 15:34
  aren't
• 15:34
  they
• 15:34
  engaged?
• 15:35
  What
• 15:35
  are
• 15:35
  those
• 15:35
  reasons?
• 15:36
  And,
• 15:37
  and
• 15:37
  what
• 15:38
  do.
• 15:38
  What
• 15:38
  do
• 15:39
  we
• 15:39
  think
• 15:39
  students
• 15:39
  would
• 15:40
  say
• 15:40
  in
• 15:41
  regards
• 15:41
  to
• 15:42
  why
• 15:42
  I'm
• 15:43
  choosing
• 15:44
  not
• 15:44
  to
• 15:45
  show
• 15:45
  up?
• 15:46
  You
• 15:46
  know,
• 15:46
  because
• 15:46
  our,
• 15:46
  especially
• 15:47
  our
• 15:47
  secondary
• 15:48
  students,
• 15:49
  you
• 15:49
  know,
• 15:49
  as
• 15:49
  they.
• 15:50
  They
• 15:50
  get
• 15:50
  older
• 15:51
  and
• 15:51
  they
• 15:51
  have,
• 15:52
  you
• 15:52
  know,
• 15:52
  more
• 15:53
  of
• 15:54
  that,
• 15:55
  say,
• 15:55
  in
• 15:55
  getting
• 15:56
  themselves
• 15:56
  up
• 15:57
  and
• 15:57
  ready
• 15:57
  for
• 15:57
  school
• 15:58
  and
• 15:58
  to
• 15:58
  school
• 15:59
  and
• 15:59
  all
• 15:59
  of
• 15:59
  those
• 15:59
  things,
• 16:00
  why
• 16:01
  are.
• 16:01
  What
• 16:01
  would
• 16:01
  they
• 16:01
  say
• 16:02
  about
• 16:02
  why
• 16:02
  they're
• 16:03
  choosing
• 16:04
  to
• 16:04
  not
• 16:05
  engage,
• 16:06
  therefore
• 16:06
  not
• 16:07
  attend.
• 16:08
  What
• 16:08
  do
• 16:08
  you
• 16:08
  think
• 16:09
  other
• 16:09
  things
• 16:10
  are.
• 16:10
  More
• 16:10
  important
• 16:10
  to
• 16:10
  them.
• 16:11
  And,
• 16:11
  and
• 16:12
  that's
• 16:12
  not
• 16:12
  to
• 16:12
  say
• 16:13
  that's
• 16:13
  not
• 16:13
  a
• 16:14
  negative
• 16:14
  necessarily,
• 16:15
  right?
• 16:15
  From
• 16:15
  a,
• 16:16
  from
• 16:16
  an
• 16:16
  educator
• 16:16
  who
• 16:16
  needs
• 16:17
  a
• 16:17
  kid
• 16:17
  to
• 16:17
  attend.
• 16:17
  Yes,
• 16:18
  that's
• 16:18
  a
• 16:18
  negative,
• 16:19
  but
• 16:19
  without
• 16:21
  the
• 16:21
  connection
• 16:21
  or
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  relationship
• 16:23
  to
• 16:23
  connect
• 16:23
  to
• 16:24
  the
• 16:24
  why
• 16:24
  or
• 16:24
  the,
• 16:25
  the,
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  person
• 16:26
  or
• 16:27
  the
• 16:27
  people
• 16:27
  who
• 16:27
  are
• 16:28
  present
• 16:28
  in
• 16:28
  the
• 16:28
  school
• 16:28
  that
• 16:29
  make
• 16:29
  it
• 16:29
  feel
• 16:29
  worth
• 16:30
  it.
• 16:30
  Of
• 16:31
  course,
• 16:31
  my,
• 16:31
  my
• 16:31
  games
• 16:32
  are
• 16:32
  more
• 16:32
  important.
• 16:33
  Of
• 16:33
  course,
• 16:34
  full
• 16:34
  time
• 16:35
  job
• 16:35
  I'm
• 16:35
  working
• 16:35
  is
• 16:36
  more
• 16:36
  important
• 16:37
  that
• 16:37
  the
• 16:38
  kid
• 16:38
  I'm
• 16:38
  parenting
• 16:39
  is
• 16:39
  more
• 16:39
  important.
• 16:40
  And
• 16:40
  those
• 16:40
  are
• 16:41
  huge
• 16:41
  priorities.
• 16:41
  Right?
• 16:42
  It's
• 16:42
  not
• 16:42
  always,
• 16:44
  oh,
• 16:44
  I'm
• 16:44
  choosing
• 16:44
  to
• 16:44
  slack
• 16:45
  off.
• 16:46
  It's.
• 16:46
  I
• 16:47
  have
• 16:47
  other
• 16:48
  things
• 16:48
  that
• 16:49
  are
• 16:49
  important.
• 16:50
  So
• 16:50
  this
• 16:51
  needs
• 16:51
  to
• 16:52
  earn.
• 16:52
  Education
• 16:53
  needs
• 16:53
  to
• 16:53
  earn
• 16:54
  a
• 16:54
  place
• 16:54
  in
• 16:55
  my
• 16:55
  list
• 16:55
  of
• 16:55
  top
• 16:55
  priorities.
• 16:56
  And
• 16:57
  for
• 16:57
  education
• 16:57
  to
• 16:58
  do
• 16:58
  that,
• 16:58
  someone
• 16:59
  at
• 16:59
  the
• 16:59
  school
• 17:00
  needs
• 17:00
  to
• 17:01
  make
• 17:01
  me
• 17:01
  feel
• 17:01
  like
• 17:02
  it
• 17:02
  is
• 17:02
  worth
• 17:02
  being
• 17:03
  here
• 17:03
  and
• 17:03
  that
• 17:03
  I'm
• 17:04
  valued.
• 17:04
  So
• 17:05
  I
• 17:05
  want
• 17:05
  you
• 17:05
  to
• 17:05
  say
• 17:05
  that
• 17:06
  again
• 17:06
  because
• 17:07
  I
• 17:07
  think
• 17:07
  that's
• 17:08
  a
• 17:08
  huge
• 17:08
  shift
• 17:10
  for
• 17:10
  educators.
• 17:11
  Right.
• 17:13
  The
• 17:14
  comment
• 17:14
  you
• 17:14
  made
• 17:14
  about
• 17:15
  earned.
• 17:16
  Say
• 17:17
  that
• 17:17
  again
• 17:17
  loudly.
• 17:18
  No.
• 17:18
  Education
• 17:19
  needs
• 17:20
  to
• 17:20
  earn
• 17:20
  its
• 17:21
  place
• 17:22
  in
• 17:22
  a
• 17:22
  student's
• 17:23
  list
• 17:23
  of
• 17:23
  priorities.
• 17:24
  That's
• 17:25
  huge.
• 17:25
  Education
• 17:26
  needs
• 17:27
  to
• 17:27
  earn
• 17:27
  its
• 17:27
  place
• 17:28
  in
• 17:28
  a
• 17:28
  student's
• 17:29
  list
• 17:29
  of
• 17:29
  priorities.
• 17:31
  So
• 17:32
  we're
• 17:32
  dealing
• 17:32
  with
• 17:33
  students,
• 17:33
  and
• 17:34
  Grant
• 17:34
  and
• 17:35
  I
• 17:35
  are,
• 17:35
  are
• 17:36
  working
• 17:36
  together
• 17:36
  on
• 17:37
  developing
• 17:37
  my
• 17:38
  series
• 17:38
  around
• 17:38
  the
• 17:39
  invisible
• 17:39
  backpack.
• 17:40
  Right.
• 17:41
  So
• 17:42
  we
• 17:42
  have
• 17:42
  families
• 17:44
  that
• 17:44
  are
• 17:44
  dealing
• 17:46
  with
• 17:47
  issues
• 17:47
  around
• 17:48
  ice.
• 17:50
  And
• 17:51
  there's
• 17:51
  fear.
• 17:52
  I
• 17:52
  mean,
• 17:52
  it
• 17:52
  is
• 17:52
  what
• 17:53
  it
• 17:53
  is,
• 17:54
  okay?
• 17:55
  Unhoused,
• 17:57
  it's
• 17:58
  cold.
• 17:59
  All
• 17:59
  right?
• 18:01
  Food,
• 18:01
  insecurity,
• 18:03
  mental
• 18:04
  health,
• 18:04
  trauma,
• 18:07
  the
• 18:08
  weight
• 18:08
  of
• 18:09
  all
• 18:09
  these
• 18:09
  burdens,
• 18:11
  addiction.
• 18:12
  All
• 18:13
  right,
• 18:13
  we
• 18:14
  just
• 18:14
  came
• 18:14
  out
• 18:14
  of
• 18:15
  a
• 18:15
  period
• 18:15
  of
• 18:15
  time
• 18:16
  where
• 18:16
  some
• 18:17
  of
• 18:17
  our
• 18:17
  families
• 18:18
  did
• 18:18
  not
• 18:18
  have
• 18:18
  SNAP
• 18:19
  benefits.
• 18:21
  The
• 18:22
  funding
• 18:23
  for
• 18:24
  ECDC
• 18:25
  and
• 18:25
  Early
• 18:25
  Childhood
• 18:26
  Education
• 18:26
  has
• 18:27
  been
• 18:27
  stopped
• 18:28
  for
• 18:29
  any
• 18:29
  newcomers
• 18:30
  to
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  system.
• 18:31
  I
• 18:31
  mean,
• 18:31
  our
• 18:32
  families
• 18:33
  are
• 18:33
  being
• 18:33
  traumatized
• 18:35
  over
• 18:36
  and
• 18:36
  over
• 18:37
  again
• 18:38
  where
• 18:38
  it
• 18:38
  seems
• 18:39
  like
• 18:39
  they're
• 18:39
  hiding
• 18:39
  under
• 18:40
  the
• 18:40
  floorboards.
• 18:41
  And
• 18:41
  I
• 18:41
  am
• 18:41
  not
• 18:42
  being
• 18:42
  figurative,
• 18:43
  I'm
• 18:43
  being
• 18:43
  literal.
• 18:45
  Okay?
• 18:46
  And
• 18:46
  now
• 18:47
  you
• 18:48
  have
• 18:48
  to
• 18:49
  really
• 18:50
  prove
• 18:50
  to
• 18:50
  me
• 18:51
  that
• 18:51
  education,
• 18:53
  Jim,
• 18:53
  is
• 18:53
  a
• 18:54
  priority
• 18:55
  on
• 18:56
  the
• 18:56
  list
• 18:56
  of
• 18:56
  competing
• 18:57
  imperatives
• 18:58
  in
• 18:58
  my
• 18:59
  life
• 18:59
  circumstances.
• 19:00
  This
• 19:01
  is
• 19:01
  huge.
• 19:02
  That
• 19:02
  means
• 19:03
  that
• 19:04
  when
• 19:04
  we
• 19:05
  sit
• 19:05
  in
• 19:05
  the
• 19:05
  seats
• 19:07
  that
• 19:07
  I
• 19:08
  can
• 19:08
  learn
• 19:08
  outside
• 19:09
  of
• 19:09
  ChatGPT,
• 19:11
  Google,
• 19:11
  Bing
• 19:12
  and
• 19:12
  Safari,
• 19:13
  right?
• 19:14
  That
• 19:14
  you're
• 19:14
  going
• 19:15
  to
• 19:15
  engage
• 19:15
  me
• 19:15
  differently
• 19:16
  than
• 19:16
  me
• 19:17
  doing
• 19:17
  a
• 19:17
  point
• 19:17
  and
• 19:17
  click.
• 19:18
  What
• 19:19
  educators
• 19:19
  have
• 19:20
  to
• 19:20
  realize
• 19:21
  is
• 19:21
  that
• 19:21
  the
• 19:21
  teaching
• 19:22
  and
• 19:22
  learning
• 19:22
  process
• 19:23
  is
• 19:23
  even
• 19:24
  more
• 19:24
  reciprocal
• 19:25
  now
• 19:25
  than
• 19:26
  ever
• 19:26
  before.
• 19:27
  You
• 19:27
  bring
• 19:27
  up
• 19:27
  a
• 19:28
  really
• 19:29
  good
• 19:29
  point.
• 19:30
  And
• 19:30
  I
• 19:30
  think
• 19:30
  this
• 19:31
  may
• 19:31
  be
• 19:31
  a
• 19:31
  little
• 19:32
  controversial,
• 19:33
  but
• 19:33
  I
• 19:33
  also
• 19:34
  think
• 19:34
  that
• 19:34
  most
• 19:34
  educators
• 19:35
  understand
• 19:36
  Are
• 19:37
  you
• 19:37
  going
• 19:37
  to
• 19:37
  be
• 19:38
  the
• 19:38
  educator
• 19:38
  who
• 19:39
  is
• 19:39
  seen
• 19:39
  as
• 19:39
  an
• 19:39
  arm
• 19:40
  of
• 19:40
  the
• 19:40
  state,
• 19:41
  a
• 19:42
  tool
• 19:42
  of
• 19:42
  a
• 19:43
  fascist
• 19:43
  system,
• 19:44
  or
• 19:45
  are
• 19:45
  you
• 19:45
  going
• 19:46
  to
• 19:46
  be
• 19:46
  the
• 19:46
  educator
• 19:47
  who
• 19:48
  is
• 19:49
  the
• 19:49
  balm
• 19:50
  to
• 19:50
  that?
• 19:51
  And
• 19:51
  often
• 19:52
  when
• 19:52
  we're
• 19:52
  talking
• 19:53
  about
• 19:53
  compliance
• 19:54
  and
• 19:54
  we
• 19:54
  get
• 19:54
  caught
• 19:55
  up
• 19:55
  in
• 19:55
  compliance,
• 19:57
  all
• 19:57
  that
• 19:57
  they
• 19:57
  see
• 19:58
  is
• 19:59
  someone
• 19:59
  else
• 19:59
  who's
• 20:00
  trying
• 20:00
  to
• 20:00
  tell
• 20:00
  me
• 20:00
  what
• 20:00
  to
• 20:00
  do
• 20:01
  and
• 20:01
  how
• 20:01
  to
• 20:01
  do
• 20:01
  it.
• 20:02
  And
• 20:03
  that's
• 20:04
  oppressive.
• 20:05
  No
• 20:06
  matter
• 20:06
  where
• 20:06
  our
• 20:06
  heart
• 20:06
  is,
• 20:07
  no
• 20:07
  matter
• 20:07
  what
• 20:08
  we're
• 20:08
  intending,
• 20:09
  that
• 20:10
  can
• 20:10
  only
• 20:10
  be
• 20:10
  seen
• 20:10
  as
• 20:11
  oppressive
• 20:12
  until
• 20:12
  you've
• 20:13
  built
• 20:13
  that
• 20:13
  trust
• 20:14
  authentically
• 20:15
  and
• 20:15
  mean
• 20:16
  it.
• 20:16
  Oh,
• 20:17
  my.
• 20:20
  Yes.
• 20:21
  I
• 20:21
  don't
• 20:21
  know.
• 20:25
  It's
• 20:25
  a
• 20:25
  little
• 20:26
  bit
• 20:26
  of
• 20:26
  beautiful
• 20:27
  honesty.
• 20:28
  That's
• 20:28
  why
• 20:28
  Jim
• 20:29
  keeps
• 20:29
  being
• 20:29
  invited
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  come
• 20:30
  back.
• 20:31
  You
• 20:31
  know,
• 20:33
  I
• 20:33
  mean,
• 20:33
  when
• 20:33
  we're
• 20:35
  advocating
• 20:36
  for
• 20:36
  children
• 20:37
  for
• 20:37
  their
• 20:38
  lives,
• 20:39
  you
• 20:39
  know,
• 20:41
  there's
• 20:41
  nothing
• 20:42
  but
• 20:43
  honesty
• 20:44
  that
• 20:44
  we.
• 20:45
  We
• 20:46
  crave,
• 20:46
  that
• 20:47
  we
• 20:47
  need
• 20:47
  to
• 20:47
  just
• 20:48
  be
• 20:48
  brave
• 20:48
  enough
• 20:49
  to
• 20:50
  say,
• 20:51
  bravo.
• 20:52
  Yeah,
• 20:52
  bravo.
• 20:53
  I'm
• 20:53
  working.
• 20:54
  I
• 20:54
  was
• 20:54
  working,
• 20:55
  having
• 20:55
  a
• 20:55
  conversation
• 20:56
  with
• 20:56
  a
• 20:57
  leader
• 20:57
  in
• 20:58
  a
• 20:58
  district
• 20:59
  somewhere
• 20:59
  in
• 20:59
  this
• 20:59
  country
• 21:01
  that
• 21:01
  is
• 21:01
  close
• 21:01
  to
• 21:02
  a
• 21:02
  border
• 21:04
  that
• 21:04
  has
• 21:06
  almost
• 21:07
  100%
• 21:09
  Latin
• 21:09
  A
• 21:09
  students.
• 21:11
  And
• 21:11
  I
• 21:11
  said
• 21:12
  in
• 21:12
  one
• 21:12
  of
• 21:12
  the
• 21:12
  conversations
• 21:14
  that
• 21:14
  we
• 21:14
  were
• 21:14
  having,
• 21:15
  I
• 21:15
  was
• 21:15
  like,
• 21:16
  so
• 21:16
  how
• 21:16
  are
• 21:16
  you
• 21:16
  responding?
• 21:17
  How
• 21:18
  are
• 21:18
  you
• 21:18
  responding
• 21:18
  to
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  fact
• 21:19
  that
• 21:20
  your
• 21:20
  students
• 21:22
  must
• 21:23
  be
• 21:23
  traumatized?
• 21:24
  You
• 21:25
  have
• 21:25
  high
• 21:25
  school
• 21:25
  students
• 21:26
  who
• 21:26
  are
• 21:27
  keenly
• 21:27
  aware
• 21:27
  of
• 21:28
  what's
• 21:28
  going
• 21:28
  on
• 21:28
  in
• 21:29
  the
• 21:29
  world.
• 21:29
  I
• 21:30
  was
• 21:30
  speaking
• 21:30
  to
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  Latin
• 21:32
  A
• 21:32
  administrator,
• 21:33
  and
• 21:33
  they
• 21:34
  hadn't
• 21:34
  thought
• 21:34
  about
• 21:34
  it.
• 21:35
  I'm
• 21:35
  like,
• 21:35
  how
• 21:36
  do
• 21:36
  you
• 21:36
  not
• 21:36
  think
• 21:36
  about
• 21:36
  that?
• 21:38
  I'm
• 21:38
  thinking
• 21:38
  about
• 21:38
  it,
• 21:39
  right?
• 21:40
  I'm
• 21:40
  thinking
• 21:40
  about
• 21:40
  it.
• 21:41
  How
• 21:41
  do
• 21:41
  you
• 21:41
  not
• 21:41
  think
• 21:41
  about
• 21:42
  that?
• 21:42
  How
• 21:42
  do
• 21:42
  you
• 21:42
  not
• 21:43
  think
• 21:43
  about
• 21:43
  the
• 21:44
  trauma,
• 21:44
  right,
• 21:45
  of
• 21:46
  what
• 21:47
  they
• 21:47
  see
• 21:47
  and
• 21:47
  hear
• 21:48
  on
• 21:49
  social
• 21:49
  media
• 21:49
  every
• 21:49
  day?
• 21:50
  If
• 21:50
  they
• 21:50
  turn
• 21:50
  on
• 21:50
  the
• 21:50
  tv,
• 21:51
  if
• 21:51
  they.
• 21:52
  Wherever
• 21:53
  they.
• 21:53
  Wherever
• 21:53
  they
• 21:54
  hear
• 21:54
  anything?
• 21:54
  There's
• 21:55
  a
• 21:55
  lot
• 21:55
  of
• 21:55
  stuff
• 21:56
  that's
• 21:56
  going
• 21:56
  on,
• 21:57
  especially
• 21:59
  for
• 21:59
  our
• 22:00
  Latin
• 22:00
  A
• 22:00
  students,
• 22:01
  right,
• 22:01
  and
• 22:02
  families.
• 22:02
  And
• 22:02
  I'm
• 22:03
  like,
• 22:03
  you're
• 22:03
  not
• 22:03
  talking
• 22:04
  about
• 22:04
  that?
• 22:04
  You're
• 22:05
  not
• 22:05
  like,
• 22:05
  wow,
• 22:06
  I
• 22:06
  was
• 22:06
  shocked.
• 22:07
  I
• 22:07
  was
• 22:07
  absolutely
• 22:08
  shocked.
• 22:08
  So,
• 22:09
  you
• 22:09
  know,
• 22:09
  I
• 22:09
  mean,
• 22:09
  so
• 22:10
  then
• 22:10
  if
• 22:10
  we
• 22:10
  don't
• 22:10
  talk
• 22:10
  about
• 22:10
  it,
• 22:11
  Jim,
• 22:11
  are
• 22:11
  we
• 22:12
  part
• 22:12
  of
• 22:12
  the
• 22:12
  oppression
• 22:13
  if
• 22:13
  we
• 22:14
  don't
• 22:14
  give
• 22:15
  students
• 22:15
  an
• 22:16
  opportunity
• 22:17
  or
• 22:17
  to
• 22:18
  be
• 22:18
  heard,
• 22:19
  to
• 22:20
  share
• 22:20
  their
• 22:21
  fears?
• 22:22
  I
• 22:22
  mean,
• 22:23
  if
• 22:23
  I
• 22:25
  were
• 22:25
  a
• 22:25
  high
• 22:26
  school
• 22:26
  student
• 22:27
  who
• 22:27
  happened
• 22:28
  to
• 22:28
  be
• 22:28
  Brown,
• 22:29
  and
• 22:29
  it
• 22:29
  would
• 22:30
  be
• 22:30
  very.
• 22:30
  I
• 22:31
  would
• 22:31
  be
• 22:31
  very
• 22:31
  uncomfortable
• 22:32
  walking
• 22:32
  to
• 22:32
  school
• 22:33
  just
• 22:33
  to
• 22:33
  get
• 22:33
  there
• 22:34
  would
• 22:34
  be
• 22:34
  a
• 22:34
  big
• 22:34
  deal
• 22:34
  for
• 22:34
  me,
• 22:35
  right?
• 22:35
  It'd
• 22:35
  be
• 22:35
  a
• 22:35
  whole
• 22:35
  lot
• 22:36
  easier
• 22:37
  to
• 22:37
  stay
• 22:38
  hidden
• 22:38
  at
• 22:38
  home.
• 22:39
  And
• 22:39
  it.
• 22:39
  It
• 22:39
  is
• 22:39
  not
• 22:40
  a
• 22:40
  new
• 22:40
  idea
• 22:41
  that
• 22:41
  education
• 22:43
  can
• 22:43
  be
• 22:43
  seen
• 22:44
  as
• 22:44
  a
• 22:44
  form
• 22:44
  of
• 22:44
  power
• 22:45
  and
• 22:45
  control.
• 22:45
  Right?
• 22:46
  Ever
• 22:47
  since
• 22:47
  Pink
• 22:47
  Floyd
• 22:48
  and
• 22:48
  even
• 22:48
  before,
• 22:48
  right.
• 22:49
  That's
• 22:49
  been
• 22:50
  out
• 22:50
  there.
• 22:51
  And
• 22:52
  there
• 22:52
  is
• 22:52
  an
• 22:52
  element
• 22:53
  of
• 22:55
  state
• 22:55
  education.
• 22:57
  Educators
• 22:57
  are
• 22:57
  participating
• 22:58
  in
• 22:59
  some
• 23:00
  element
• 23:00
  of
• 23:01
  that.
• 23:02
  And,
• 23:02
  you
• 23:02
  know,
• 23:03
  whether
• 23:03
  you
• 23:04
  can
• 23:04
  change
• 23:04
  a
• 23:04
  system
• 23:05
  from
• 23:05
  within
• 23:05
  or
• 23:06
  not,
• 23:07
  if
• 23:07
  we're
• 23:08
  taking
• 23:08
  a
• 23:09
  step
• 23:09
  down
• 23:10
  from
• 23:10
  the
• 23:10
  system
• 23:10
  and
• 23:11
  thinking
• 23:11
  about
• 23:11
  the
• 23:12
  people,
• 23:13
  we
• 23:13
  can
• 23:14
  make
• 23:14
  change
• 23:15
  at
• 23:15
  that
• 23:15
  level,
• 23:17
  we
• 23:17
  can
• 23:17
  create
• 23:18
  spaces
• 23:18
  of
• 23:18
  safety.
• 23:20
  And
• 23:20
  that
• 23:21
  doesn't
• 23:21
  mean
• 23:21
  that
• 23:21
  something
• 23:21
  won't
• 23:22
  happen
• 23:22
  that's
• 23:22
  outside
• 23:23
  of
• 23:23
  our
• 23:23
  control.
• 23:24
  Right.
• 23:24
  Our
• 23:24
  sphere
• 23:25
  of
• 23:25
  influence
• 23:25
  is
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  kids.
• 23:29
  Maybe
• 23:29
  administrators,
• 23:30
  your
• 23:30
  sphere
• 23:30
  of
• 23:30
  influence
• 23:31
  is
• 23:31
  a
• 23:31
  little,
• 23:32
  a
• 23:32
  little
• 23:32
  broader,
• 23:33
  but
• 23:33
  maybe
• 23:34
  you're
• 23:34
  not
• 23:34
  a
• 23:34
  superintendent
• 23:35
  or
• 23:35
  on
• 23:35
  the
• 23:35
  board
• 23:35
  of
• 23:36
  education.
• 23:36
  And
• 23:37
  so
• 23:37
  whatever
• 23:38
  your
• 23:38
  sphere
• 23:38
  of
• 23:39
  influence
• 23:39
  is,
• 23:40
  making
• 23:41
  it
• 23:41
  a
• 23:41
  safe
• 23:42
  and
• 23:42
  kind
• 23:43
  space
• 23:44
  to
• 23:45
  the
• 23:45
  best
• 23:45
  of
• 23:45
  your
• 23:45
  ability
• 23:46
  is
• 23:46
  the
• 23:46
  most
• 23:47
  you
• 23:47
  can
• 23:47
  do.
• 23:48
  We,
• 23:49
  we
• 23:49
  can't
• 23:49
  change
• 23:50
  all
• 23:50
  of
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  policy
• 23:52
  easily.
• 23:52
  We
• 23:53
  can
• 23:53
  advocate.
• 23:54
  Right.
• 23:54
  But
• 23:56
  I
• 23:56
  think
• 23:56
  that
• 23:57
  is
• 23:57
  just
• 23:57
  going
• 23:57
  to
• 23:58
  be
• 23:58
  part
• 23:58
  of
• 23:59
  it
• 23:59
  when
• 23:59
  we
• 23:59
  have
• 24:00
  state
• 24:00
  funded
• 24:00
  education.
• 24:02
  And
• 24:02
  there
• 24:03
  will
• 24:03
  always
• 24:03
  be
• 24:03
  students
• 24:04
  and
• 24:04
  families
• 24:04
  that
• 24:05
  have
• 24:05
  a
• 24:05
  perception
• 24:05
  that
• 24:06
  education
• 24:06
  is
• 24:06
  about
• 24:07
  control
• 24:08
  and
• 24:08
  they
• 24:08
  don't
• 24:08
  really
• 24:09
  want
• 24:09
  me
• 24:09
  to
• 24:09
  learn.
• 24:11
  So
• 24:11
  it's
• 24:11
  a
• 24:11
  matter
• 24:11
  of
• 24:12
  helping
• 24:12
  them
• 24:13
  see
• 24:14
  us
• 24:15
  rather
• 24:16
  than
• 24:16
  them.
• 24:17
  I'm
• 24:18
  not
• 24:18
  one
• 24:18
  of
• 24:18
  them
• 24:18
  that
• 24:19
  is
• 24:19
  trying
• 24:19
  to
• 24:20
  get
• 24:20
  you.
• 24:21
  And
• 24:21
  there
• 24:21
  are
• 24:21
  a
• 24:22
  lot
• 24:22
  of
• 24:22
  families,
• 24:23
  a
• 24:23
  lot
• 24:24
  of
• 24:24
  parents
• 24:25
  who
• 24:26
  perceive
• 24:26
  us
• 24:26
  as
• 24:27
  the
• 24:27
  enemy
• 24:28
  because
• 24:28
  of
• 24:29
  their
• 24:29
  own
• 24:29
  experiences
• 24:31
  in
• 24:31
  school.
• 24:32
  Right.
• 24:32
  When
• 24:32
  we
• 24:32
  do
• 24:33
  this
• 24:33
  to
• 24:33
  students
• 24:34
  and
• 24:35
  they
• 24:35
  grow
• 24:35
  up
• 24:35
  to
• 24:36
  be
• 24:36
  parents,
• 24:37
  they
• 24:37
  don't
• 24:38
  see
• 24:38
  us
• 24:38
  as
• 24:38
  the
• 24:38
  advocate.
• 24:40
  They
• 24:40
  see
• 24:40
  us
• 24:41
  as
• 24:41
  part
• 24:41
  of
• 24:41
  the
• 24:41
  problem
• 24:42
  and
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  enemy.
• 24:43
  I
• 24:43
  hear
• 24:44
  just
• 24:44
  in
• 24:45
  all
• 24:45
  of
• 24:45
  our
• 24:45
  comments
• 24:46
  in
• 24:46
  this
• 24:46
  conversation,
• 24:47
  a
• 24:47
  couple
• 24:47
  of
• 24:48
  tensions
• 24:49
  from
• 24:49
  the
• 24:49
  outset.
• 24:50
  Jim,
• 24:51
  as
• 24:51
  you
• 24:51
  always
• 24:52
  do,
• 24:53
  you
• 24:53
  are
• 24:54
  so
• 24:54
  immediately
• 24:55
  thoughtful
• 24:55
  about
• 24:56
  the
• 24:56
  first
• 24:56
  opening
• 24:57
  question
• 24:58
  that
• 24:59
  it's
• 24:59
  intoxicating
• 25:00
  then
• 25:01
  to
• 25:01
  just
• 25:02
  live
• 25:02
  in
• 25:02
  that,
• 25:02
  that
• 25:03
  take
• 25:03
  that
• 25:04
  you
• 25:04
  gave
• 25:04
  us.
• 25:05
  You
• 25:06
  weren't
• 25:06
  being
• 25:06
  difficult,
• 25:07
  you
• 25:07
  were
• 25:07
  being
• 25:08
  really
• 25:09
  opening.
• 25:10
  And
• 25:11
  the
• 25:11
  opening
• 25:11
  that
• 25:11
  I
• 25:12
  felt
• 25:12
  was
• 25:12
  simply
• 25:13
  this
• 25:13
  idea
• 25:14
  that,
• 25:14
  that
• 25:15
  if
• 25:15
  we're
• 25:15
  going
• 25:15
  to
• 25:16
  talk
• 25:16
  with
• 25:16
  students,
• 25:17
  let's
• 25:17
  keep
• 25:17
  in
• 25:17
  mind
• 25:18
  that
• 25:18
  our
• 25:18
  students
• 25:20
  by
• 25:20
  and
• 25:20
  large
• 25:22
  are
• 25:22
  appreciating
• 25:23
  the
• 25:23
  now
• 25:23
  in
• 25:24
  their
• 25:24
  lives
• 25:25
  and
• 25:26
  that's
• 25:26
  where
• 25:26
  they
• 25:26
  need
• 25:26
  to
• 25:27
  be.
• 25:28
  And
• 25:29
  so
• 25:30
  this
• 25:30
  idea
• 25:31
  of
• 25:31
  future
• 25:31
  thinking
• 25:32
  is
• 25:32
  maybe
• 25:33
  an
• 25:33
  adult
• 25:33
  thing.
• 25:34
  Right.
• 25:36
  The
• 25:36
  more
• 25:36
  we
• 25:37
  talked
• 25:37
  and
• 25:38
  the
• 25:38
  more
• 25:38
  I
• 25:38
  listened,
• 25:38
  it
• 25:39
  seems
• 25:39
  like
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  entry
• 25:40
  to
• 25:41
  envisioning
• 25:42
  a
• 25:42
  future
• 25:43
  is
• 25:43
  by
• 25:44
  engaging
• 25:44
  in
• 25:45
  what's
• 25:45
  happening
• 25:45
  now.
• 25:46
  How
• 25:47
  does
• 25:47
  schooling
• 25:49
  succeed
• 25:49
  and
• 25:50
  fail
• 25:51
  in
• 25:51
  connecting
• 25:51
  with
• 25:52
  you
• 25:52
  as
• 25:53
  a
• 25:53
  learner?
• 25:54
  And
• 25:56
  when
• 25:56
  we
• 25:56
  talk
• 25:56
  about
• 25:57
  that,
• 25:58
  it
• 25:58
  feels
• 25:58
  like
• 25:58
  all
• 25:59
  sorts
• 25:59
  of
• 25:59
  doors
• 25:59
  and
• 25:59
  windows
• 26:00
  open
• 26:00
  about
• 26:01
  what
• 26:02
  a
• 26:02
  future
• 26:02
  might
• 26:03
  look
• 26:03
  like.
• 26:04
  Right.
• 26:06
  And
• 26:06
  then
• 26:06
  the
• 26:06
  comments
• 26:08
  around
• 26:08
  how
• 26:10
  simply
• 26:10
  revolutionary
• 26:11
  the
• 26:11
  idea
• 26:11
  of
• 26:12
  centering
• 26:12
  humanity
• 26:13
  is
• 26:14
  when
• 26:14
  you
• 26:15
  participate
• 26:15
  in
• 26:15
  a
• 26:16
  system
• 26:18
  which
• 26:18
  likes
• 26:19
  to
• 26:19
  do
• 26:19
  all
• 26:19
  kinds
• 26:20
  of
• 26:21
  shorthand
• 26:22
  thinking.
• 26:23
  Right.
• 26:24
  And
• 26:25
  it
• 26:25
  feels
• 26:25
  like
• 26:26
  the
• 26:26
  tension
• 26:26
  has
• 26:26
  always
• 26:26
  been
• 26:27
  compulsion,
• 26:28
  compulsory
• 26:30
  approaches
• 26:31
  versus
• 26:31
  connection
• 26:33
  and
• 26:33
  earnings,
• 26:35
  enough
• 26:35
  trust
• 26:37
  so
• 26:37
  that
• 26:38
  you
• 26:38
  feel
• 26:38
  welcomed,
• 26:39
  invited,
• 26:40
  and
• 26:40
  a
• 26:40
  sense
• 26:41
  of
• 26:41
  authentic
• 26:42
  belonging
• 26:43
  wherever
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  learning
• 26:44
  is
• 26:44
  happening.
• 26:46
  Am
• 26:46
  I
• 26:46
  right
• 26:46
  in
• 26:46
  thinking
• 26:47
  that?
• 26:47
  I
• 26:47
  don't
• 26:48
  want
• 26:48
  to
• 26:48
  be
• 26:48
  too
• 26:48
  reductive,
• 26:49
  but
• 26:49
  it
• 26:50
  feels
• 26:50
  like
• 26:50
  those
• 26:50
  tensions
• 26:51
  continue
• 26:52
  to
• 26:52
  emerge.
• 26:54
  And,
• 26:55
  you
• 26:55
  know,
• 26:55
  at
• 26:55
  the
• 26:55
  heart
• 26:56
  of
• 26:56
  all
• 26:56
  fascist
• 26:57
  thought
• 26:58
  is
• 26:59
  the
• 27:01
  elimination
• 27:02
  of
• 27:03
  a
• 27:04
  humane
• 27:04
  approach
• 27:05
  to
• 27:05
  things
• 27:06
  because
• 27:07
  the
• 27:07
  efficacies
• 27:08
  are
• 27:08
  infinite.
• 27:09
  If
• 27:09
  you
• 27:10
  can
• 27:10
  do
• 27:10
  that
• 27:12
  now,
• 27:12
  we
• 27:12
  can
• 27:12
  accomplish
• 27:13
  whatever
• 27:13
  we
• 27:13
  need
• 27:13
  to
• 27:14
  to
• 27:14
  centralize
• 27:15
  control.
• 27:15
  Right.
• 27:16
  So
• 27:16
  I
• 27:17
  don't
• 27:17
  know,
• 27:19
  I
• 27:19
  feel,
• 27:19
  you
• 27:20
  know,
• 27:20
  when
• 27:21
  we
• 27:21
  start
• 27:21
  to
• 27:22
  ask
• 27:22
  these
• 27:22
  questions
• 27:22
  and
• 27:23
  think
• 27:23
  about
• 27:23
  these
• 27:23
  things,
• 27:24
  and
• 27:24
  the
• 27:25
  whole
• 27:25
  prospect
• 27:25
  of
• 27:26
  getting
• 27:26
  to
• 27:26
  listen
• 27:27
  to
• 27:27
  students
• 27:27
  is
• 27:28
  so
• 27:28
  exciting,
• 27:29
  but
• 27:29
  it
• 27:30
  really,
• 27:31
  it
• 27:31
  feels
• 27:32
  like
• 27:33
  if
• 27:34
  we
• 27:34
  do
• 27:35
  and
• 27:36
  act
• 27:36
  in
• 27:37
  accordance
• 27:37
  with
• 27:37
  connection
• 27:39
  and
• 27:40
  appreciating
• 27:41
  all
• 27:41
  that
• 27:42
  we
• 27:42
  can
• 27:42
  learn
• 27:42
  from
• 27:42
  students
• 27:43
  in
• 27:44
  their
• 27:44
  current
• 27:44
  orientation
• 27:45
  as
• 27:46
  humans
• 27:47
  and
• 27:47
  how
• 27:47
  they
• 27:47
  engage
• 27:48
  with
• 27:48
  learning,
• 27:49
  change
• 27:50
  is
• 27:50
  inevitable.
• 27:52
  It
• 27:52
  is
• 27:52
  inevitable.
• 27:54
  Am
• 27:54
  I
• 27:54
  being
• 27:55
  a
• 27:55
  Pollyanna?
• 27:56
  And
• 27:57
  I
• 27:57
  think
• 27:57
  that,
• 27:57
  I
• 27:57
  mean,
• 27:57
  if
• 27:58
  you're
• 27:58
  going
• 27:58
  to
• 27:58
  open
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  doors
• 27:59
  to
• 28:00
  ask
• 28:01
  the
• 28:01
  questions,
• 28:01
  to
• 28:02
  listen,
• 28:02
  then
• 28:03
  you've
• 28:03
  got
• 28:03
  to
• 28:04
  be
• 28:04
  prepared
• 28:05
  to
• 28:05
  respond,
• 28:06
  you
• 28:07
  know,
• 28:07
  otherwise
• 28:07
  you
• 28:08
  just
• 28:08
  become
• 28:09
  yet
• 28:09
  another
• 28:10
  adult
• 28:11
  that
• 28:12
  acts
• 28:13
  as
• 28:13
  if
• 28:13
  you
• 28:14
  care
• 28:14
  and
• 28:15
  that
• 28:15
  you
• 28:15
  want
• 28:15
  to.
• 28:16
  But
• 28:17
  how
• 28:17
  do
• 28:17
  you
• 28:18
  say,
• 28:19
  I
• 28:19
  want
• 28:20
  to
• 28:20
  listen
• 28:20
  to
• 28:20
  you.
• 28:20
  I'm
• 28:21
  here.
• 28:21
  I
• 28:21
  want
• 28:21
  to
• 28:22
  hear
• 28:22
  what
• 28:22
  you
• 28:22
  have
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  say
• 28:23
  and
• 28:24
  then
• 28:25
  continue
• 28:25
  operating
• 28:26
  within
• 28:27
  this
• 28:27
  system
• 28:29
  that
• 28:29
  is
• 28:30
  oppressive.
• 28:32
  So
• 28:32
  to
• 28:32
  be
• 28:33
  complicit,
• 28:35
  I
• 28:35
  hear,
• 28:35
  is
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  acquiesce
• 28:37
  in
• 28:37
  the
• 28:37
  status
• 28:37
  quo.
• 28:39
  So
• 28:40
  there
• 28:40
  has
• 28:40
  to
• 28:40
  be
• 28:40
  a
• 28:41
  heart
• 28:41
  and
• 28:41
  spirit
• 28:42
  for
• 28:42
  some
• 28:42
  level
• 28:42
  of
• 28:43
  activism.
• 28:46
  And
• 28:46
  the
• 28:47
  activism
• 28:47
  starts
• 28:48
  with
• 28:48
  ourselves.
• 28:50
  And
• 28:51
  how
• 28:51
  are
• 28:52
  we
• 28:52
  really
• 28:53
  sitting
• 28:54
  in
• 28:54
  our
• 28:54
  own
• 28:54
  mental
• 28:55
  models
• 28:57
  and
• 28:57
  through
• 28:57
  the
• 28:58
  lens
• 28:58
  of
• 28:58
  critical
• 28:58
  reflection,
• 29:01
  not
• 29:01
  looking
• 29:01
  outside
• 29:03
  or
• 29:03
  outward,
• 29:04
  but
• 29:04
  really
• 29:05
  taking
• 29:05
  an
• 29:05
  introspective
• 29:06
  view
• 29:08
  on
• 29:08
  what
• 29:08
  our
• 29:08
  inward
• 29:09
  beliefs,
• 29:10
  actions
• 29:10
  and
• 29:10
  practices
• 29:11
  are.
• 29:12
  Which
• 29:12
  really
• 29:13
  maps
• 29:13
  back
• 29:13
  to
• 29:14
  a
• 29:14
  lot
• 29:15
  of
• 29:15
  the
• 29:15
  conversation
• 29:15
  we
• 29:16
  had
• 29:16
  with
• 29:16
  Dr.
• 29:16
  Campbell
• 29:17
  Jones.
• 29:18
  And
• 29:19
  once
• 29:19
  we
• 29:20
  start
• 29:20
  to
• 29:20
  have
• 29:20
  those
• 29:20
  conversations
• 29:21
  and
• 29:22
  everyone
• 29:23
  really
• 29:23
  has
• 29:23
  that
• 29:24
  real
• 29:24
  talk,
• 29:24
  and
• 29:25
  we're
• 29:25
  authentic
• 29:25
  in
• 29:26
  our
• 29:26
  thinking
• 29:26
  and
• 29:27
  are
• 29:27
  authentic
• 29:28
  in
• 29:28
  the
• 29:28
  fact
• 29:29
  that
• 29:29
  we
• 29:29
  want
• 29:29
  to
• 29:29
  build
• 29:29
  this
• 29:30
  trusting
• 29:31
  environment
• 29:32
  where
• 29:32
  each
• 29:32
  and
• 29:32
  every
• 29:33
  student,
• 29:33
  all
• 29:34
  students,
• 29:35
  belong
• 29:35
  and
• 29:35
  matter,
• 29:36
  that's
• 29:37
  transformative.
• 29:39
  And
• 29:39
  therefore
• 29:39
  it
• 29:40
  will
• 29:40
  cause
• 29:40
  a
• 29:41
  quote,
• 29:41
  unquote
• 29:42
  panic.
• 29:43
  So
• 29:43
  what
• 29:43
  are
• 29:44
  your
• 29:44
  thoughts?
• 29:44
  I
• 29:44
  have
• 29:45
  a
• 29:45
  lot
• 29:45
  of
• 29:45
  thoughts.
• 29:46
  So
• 29:46
  along
• 29:47
  the
• 29:47
  lines
• 29:47
  of
• 29:47
  our
• 29:47
  intentions
• 29:48
  and
• 29:48
  motivations.
• 29:49
  Right.
• 29:49
  It
• 29:50
  is
• 29:50
  okay
• 29:51
  if
• 29:51
  students
• 29:52
  know
• 29:53
  that
• 29:53
  we
• 29:54
  have
• 29:54
  priorities.
• 29:55
  Right.
• 29:57
  I
• 29:57
  have
• 29:58
  a
• 29:58
  priority
• 29:58
  that
• 29:58
  I
• 29:59
  need
• 29:59
  you
• 29:59
  to
• 30:00
  do
• 30:00
  your
• 30:00
  schoolwork
• 30:01
  so
• 30:01
  you
• 30:01
  can
• 30:01
  get
• 30:01
  your
• 30:02
  degree.
• 30:03
  I
• 30:03
  need
• 30:03
  you
• 30:03
  to
• 30:04
  be
• 30:04
  coming
• 30:04
  to
• 30:04
  school,
• 30:06
  but
• 30:06
  it's
• 30:07
  it's
• 30:07
  the
• 30:07
  intentions
• 30:08
  behind
• 30:08
  those
• 30:09
  priorities.
• 30:10
  Am.
• 30:11
  Am
• 30:11
  I
• 30:12
  coming
• 30:12
  through
• 30:12
  as
• 30:13
  someone
• 30:13
  who's
• 30:13
  telling
• 30:14
  you
• 30:14
  what
• 30:14
  to
• 30:14
  do
• 30:14
  because
• 30:14
  it's
• 30:15
  my
• 30:15
  job
• 30:15
  because
• 30:16
  someone
• 30:16
  told
• 30:16
  me
• 30:16
  to
• 30:16
  and
• 30:17
  someone
• 30:17
  told
• 30:17
  them
• 30:17
  to
• 30:18
  tell
• 30:18
  me
• 30:18
  to
• 30:18
  tell
• 30:18
  you,
• 30:20
  or
• 30:21
  do
• 30:22
  I
• 30:22
  understand
• 30:24
  and
• 30:24
  can
• 30:24
  I
• 30:25
  convey
• 30:26
  that
• 30:27
  I'm
• 30:28
  pushing
• 30:28
  you
• 30:28
  to
• 30:29
  succeed
• 30:29
  in
• 30:30
  academics
• 30:31
  because
• 30:32
  this
• 30:32
  will
• 30:32
  be
• 30:32
  good
• 30:33
  for
• 30:33
  you?
• 30:34
  Because,
• 30:34
  yes,
• 30:35
  there's
• 30:35
  the
• 30:35
  side
• 30:35
  that,
• 30:36
  you
• 30:36
  know,
• 30:37
  power
• 30:37
  and
• 30:37
  oppression
• 30:38
  and
• 30:38
  systems,
• 30:39
  but
• 30:39
  the
• 30:39
  other
• 30:39
  side
• 30:39
  is
• 30:40
  education
• 30:42
  can
• 30:43
  be
• 30:43
  freedom
• 30:44
  is
• 30:45
  freedom,
• 30:47
  enables
• 30:48
  others
• 30:48
  to
• 30:48
  push
• 30:48
  back
• 30:49
  against
• 30:49
  that
• 30:49
  system.
• 30:50
  We
• 30:50
  can
• 30:50
  raise
• 30:51
  a
• 30:51
  new
• 30:51
  generation
• 30:51
  of
• 30:52
  activists
• 30:53
  if
• 30:54
  they
• 30:54
  understand
• 30:56
  the
• 30:56
  system
• 30:56
  that
• 30:57
  they're
• 30:57
  working
• 30:57
  in.
• 30:58
  And
• 30:58
  so.
• 31:01
  And
• 31:01
  kids
• 31:01
  can
• 31:02
  tell.
• 31:02
  Kids
• 31:03
  can
• 31:03
  tell
• 31:03
  when
• 31:04
  we're
• 31:04
  trying
• 31:04
  to
• 31:04
  check
• 31:04
  a
• 31:05
  box
• 31:05
  and
• 31:05
  say,
• 31:05
  okay,
• 31:06
  do
• 31:06
  this,
• 31:06
  do
• 31:06
  that,
• 31:06
  do
• 31:06
  the
• 31:07
  other
• 31:07
  thing.
• 31:08
  And
• 31:08
  it's
• 31:09
  not
• 31:09
  always
• 31:10
  nice
• 31:12
  to
• 31:12
  push
• 31:12
  a
• 31:12
  student.
• 31:13
  I
• 31:13
  supervise
• 31:14
  success
• 31:14
  coaches
• 31:15
  who
• 31:15
  work
• 31:15
  with
• 31:16
  our
• 31:16
  students
• 31:16
  who
• 31:16
  are
• 31:16
  disengaged.
• 31:18
  And
• 31:19
  I
• 31:19
  would
• 31:19
  say
• 31:19
  the
• 31:20
  nicest
• 31:20
  people
• 31:21
  on
• 31:21
  my
• 31:21
  team
• 31:22
  have
• 31:22
  the
• 31:22
  hardest
• 31:22
  time
• 31:23
  motivating
• 31:23
  students
• 31:23
  who
• 31:24
  don't
• 31:24
  want
• 31:24
  to
• 31:24
  do
• 31:24
  what
• 31:25
  they
• 31:25
  need
• 31:26
  to
• 31:26
  do.
• 31:28
  Some
• 31:28
  of
• 31:29
  the
• 31:29
  less
• 31:29
  nice
• 31:30
  but
• 31:30
  incredibly
• 31:31
  kind
• 31:32
  people,
• 31:33
  I
• 31:34
  love
• 31:34
  that
• 31:34
  description.
• 31:36
  Have
• 31:36
  a
• 31:36
  harsh
• 31:37
  approach.
• 31:38
  Maybe
• 31:39
  harsh
• 31:39
  is
• 31:39
  the
• 31:39
  wrong
• 31:39
  word,
• 31:40
  but
• 31:40
  a
• 31:40
  firm
• 31:40
  approach,
• 31:41
  right?
• 31:42
  They
• 31:42
  hold
• 31:43
  students
• 31:43
  to
• 31:44
  standards,
• 31:45
  but
• 31:46
  that
• 31:46
  is
• 31:46
  tied
• 31:46
  to
• 31:47
  the
• 31:47
  potential
• 31:48
  they
• 31:48
  see
• 31:49
  in
• 31:49
  that
• 31:49
  student.
• 31:51
  That
• 31:51
  is
• 31:51
  tied
• 31:52
  to
• 31:53
  a
• 31:53
  vision
• 31:54
  of
• 31:55
  where
• 31:56
  this
• 31:56
  education
• 31:57
  can
• 31:57
  take
• 31:57
  you.
• 31:59
  They're
• 31:59
  not
• 31:59
  afraid
• 32:00
  to
• 32:00
  say,
• 32:00
  well,
• 32:00
  do
• 32:00
  you
• 32:01
  want
• 32:01
  to
• 32:01
  keep
• 32:01
  working
• 32:02
  at
• 32:03
  Wendy's
• 32:05
  after
• 32:05
  this?
• 32:06
  If
• 32:06
  you
• 32:06
  do,
• 32:07
  that's
• 32:07
  okay.
• 32:07
  No
• 32:07
  judgment,
• 32:08
  right?
• 32:08
  It's
• 32:08
  a
• 32:08
  non
• 32:09
  judgmental
• 32:09
  approach.
• 32:10
  But
• 32:10
  if
• 32:10
  that
• 32:10
  is
• 32:10
  your
• 32:11
  aspiration,
• 32:12
  think
• 32:12
  about
• 32:12
  now,
• 32:13
  where
• 32:14
  you
• 32:14
  are,
• 32:15
  is
• 32:15
  that
• 32:16
  where
• 32:16
  you
• 32:16
  want
• 32:16
  to
• 32:16
  be?
• 32:18
  And
• 32:18
  if
• 32:18
  the
• 32:18
  answer
• 32:18
  is
• 32:19
  yes,
• 32:19
  great.
• 32:20
  If
• 32:20
  the
• 32:20
  answer
• 32:21
  is
• 32:21
  no,
• 32:21
  maybe
• 32:22
  there
• 32:22
  are
• 32:22
  some
• 32:22
  things
• 32:22
  about
• 32:23
  this
• 32:23
  that
• 32:23
  you're
• 32:23
  not
• 32:24
  in
• 32:24
  love
• 32:24
  with.
• 32:26
  Let's
• 32:26
  start
• 32:26
  that
• 32:27
  future
• 32:27
  thinking.
• 32:28
  And
• 32:28
  I'm
• 32:28
  thinking
• 32:29
  about
• 32:29
  high
• 32:29
  schoolers,
• 32:29
  right?
• 32:30
  High
• 32:30
  schoolers
• 32:31
  are
• 32:31
  on
• 32:31
  the
• 32:31
  precipice
• 32:32
  of
• 32:32
  they
• 32:33
  need
• 32:33
  to
• 32:33
  be
• 32:33
  thinking
• 32:34
  future
• 32:35
  in
• 32:35
  more
• 32:36
  concrete
• 32:36
  ways.
• 32:37
  Younger
• 32:38
  students,
• 32:38
  they're
• 32:39
  dreaming.
• 32:39
  We're
• 32:41
  inspiring
• 32:41
  some
• 32:42
  imagination
• 32:42
  about
• 32:43
  what
• 32:43
  could
• 32:43
  be.
• 32:44
  But
• 32:45
  yeah,
• 32:46
  with
• 32:47
  kindness,
• 32:48
  show
• 32:49
  our
• 32:49
  intentions
• 32:50
  about
• 32:50
  why
• 32:51
  we're
• 32:52
  pushing
• 32:52
  you.
• 32:53
  Would
• 32:53
  it
• 32:54
  be
• 32:54
  fair
• 32:54
  to
• 32:54
  say,
• 32:54
  Jim,
• 32:54
  that
• 32:55
  those
• 32:55
  educators
• 32:56
  who
• 32:57
  are
• 32:57
  incredibly
• 32:58
  kind
• 32:59
  but
• 32:59
  less
• 32:59
  nice,
• 33:00
  if
• 33:01
  that's
• 33:01
  a
• 33:01
  good
• 33:01
  capture
• 33:02
  of
• 33:02
  what
• 33:03
  your
• 33:03
  description
• 33:03
  was,
• 33:04
  that
• 33:06
  they've
• 33:06
  managed
• 33:07
  to
• 33:07
  create
• 33:07
  for
• 33:07
  themselves
• 33:08
  a
• 33:09
  pretty
• 33:09
  clear
• 33:09
  idea
• 33:10
  of
• 33:10
  what's
• 33:10
  worth
• 33:11
  fighting
• 33:11
  for
• 33:12
  on
• 33:12
  behalf
• 33:12
  of
• 33:12
  their
• 33:13
  kids?
• 33:14
  I
• 33:14
  would
• 33:15
  say
• 33:15
  yes.
• 33:16
  And
• 33:16
  those
• 33:16
  tend
• 33:16
  to
• 33:16
  be
• 33:17
  the
• 33:17
  people
• 33:17
  who
• 33:17
  maybe
• 33:18
  themselves
• 33:19
  struggled.
• 33:20
  Right.
• 33:20
  They.
• 33:21
  They
• 33:21
  get
• 33:21
  it,
• 33:22
  quote
• 33:22
  unquote,
• 33:24
  a
• 33:24
  little
• 33:24
  bit
• 33:25
  more.
• 33:26
  One
• 33:26
  of
• 33:26
  the
• 33:26
  best
• 33:26
  teachers
• 33:27
  I
• 33:27
  ever
• 33:28
  hired.
• 33:29
  Was
• 33:29
  an
• 33:29
  English
• 33:30
  teacher
• 33:30
  who
• 33:30
  had
• 33:30
  been
• 33:31
  a
• 33:31
  high
• 33:31
  school
• 33:31
  dropout,
• 33:32
  right,
• 33:32
  who
• 33:33
  then
• 33:34
  figured
• 33:34
  out
• 33:34
  life,
• 33:35
  figured
• 33:35
  out
• 33:35
  what
• 33:36
  he
• 33:36
  wanted
• 33:36
  to
• 33:36
  do,
• 33:37
  finished
• 33:38
  high
• 33:38
  school
• 33:38
  in
• 33:38
  a
• 33:39
  non
• 33:39
  traditional
• 33:40
  way,
• 33:40
  went
• 33:41
  to
• 33:41
  become
• 33:41
  an
• 33:41
  English
• 33:41
  teacher
• 33:42
  in
• 33:42
  college.
• 33:42
  I
• 33:43
  mean
• 33:44
  he
• 33:44
  really
• 33:44
  understood
• 33:46
  the
• 33:46
  whole
• 33:47
  idea
• 33:47
  of
• 33:48
  motivation
• 33:49
  and
• 33:50
  connection.
• 33:51
  So
• 33:51
  we're
• 33:51
  going
• 33:51
  to
• 33:52
  of
• 33:52
  course
• 33:52
  leave
• 33:53
  this
• 33:53
  conversation
• 33:54
  here.
• 33:54
  Before
• 33:55
  we
• 33:55
  go
• 33:55
  below
• 33:56
  deck,
• 33:56
  there's
• 33:56
  two
• 33:57
  things
• 33:57
  I
• 33:57
  want
• 33:58
  to
• 33:58
  wrap
• 33:59
  this
• 33:59
  up.
• 33:59
  I
• 33:59
  think
• 33:59
  Jim's
• 34:00
  comment
• 34:00
  about
• 34:02
  education
• 34:03
  has
• 34:03
  to
• 34:03
  earn
• 34:04
  its
• 34:04
  place
• 34:06
  is
• 34:06
  really,
• 34:06
  really
• 34:07
  profound.
• 34:09
  And
• 34:09
  the
• 34:09
  other
• 34:09
  thing
• 34:10
  that
• 34:10
  I
• 34:10
  want
• 34:10
  to
• 34:10
  just
• 34:10
  leave
• 34:11
  you
• 34:11
  with
• 34:11
  before
• 34:11
  we
• 34:12
  jump
• 34:12
  in
• 34:12
  below
• 34:12
  deck.
• 34:13
  And
• 34:14
  I
• 34:14
  want
• 34:14
  to
• 34:14
  say
• 34:14
  this
• 34:14
  to
• 34:14
  teachers.
• 34:15
  A
• 34:16
  teaching
• 34:16
  credential
• 34:18
  doesn't
• 34:18
  give
• 34:19
  you
• 34:19
  the
• 34:19
  right
• 34:19
  to
• 34:20
  teach.
• 34:21
  It
• 34:22
  says
• 34:22
  that
• 34:23
  you
• 34:24
  it
• 34:24
  says
• 34:25
  that
• 34:25
  you
• 34:25
  have
• 34:25
  done
• 34:25
  what
• 34:26
  the
• 34:26
  state
• 34:26
  tells
• 34:27
  you
• 34:27
  you
• 34:27
  need
• 34:27
  to
• 34:27
  do
• 34:28
  to
• 34:28
  be
• 34:28
  able
• 34:28
  to
• 34:28
  be
• 34:29
  in
• 34:29
  a
• 34:29
  classroom.
• 34:30
  It
• 34:31
  is
• 34:32
  students
• 34:34
  who
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