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Election Interference Case Continues w Gag Order Appeal Denied · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: The court has ruled against Donald Trump. No shocker there
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Speaker 1: and his gag order appeal. Clearly it is election interference.
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Speaker 1: The fact that Michael Cohen can make money off of
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Speaker 1: attacking Donald Trump as the starlying witness of this entire
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Speaker 1: court case pending on hinging on his testimony, and it
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Speaker 1: has been a total you know what show during his
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Speaker 1: time in front of the court. Now, let's go back
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Speaker 1: to the gag order that I started with a second ago.
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Speaker 1: Former President Trump will remain and gag during his criminal
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Speaker 1: trial in Manhattan. The New York Appeals Court has ruled
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Speaker 1: Trump can now petition. However, the New York Court of
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Speaker 1: Appeals the gag order prevents Trump from making public comments
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Speaker 1: about witnesses participating in the trial. That obviously means he's
0:55
Speaker 1: not allowed to talk about Michael Cohen, even though Michael
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Speaker 1: Cohen is allowed to talk about him, do a podcast,
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Speaker 1: make money attacking Trump anywhere they'll put him on TV,
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Speaker 1: and he's doing it a lot, So.
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Speaker 2: That's number one.
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Speaker 1: Also, he is gaged from talking about the council other
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Speaker 1: than the Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, members of the
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Speaker 1: court's staff, and the District Attorney's staff. Or the family
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Speaker 1: members of any council or staff member, if those statements
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Speaker 1: are made with the intent to materially interfere with the
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Speaker 1: councils or staff's work on the case. It also encompasses
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Speaker 1: prospective jurors. The order reads, we find that Justice Merchant
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Speaker 1: properly waged Petitioners' First Amendment rights against the Court's historical
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Speaker 1: commitment to ensuring the fair administration of justice in criminal
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Speaker 1: cases and the right of persons related or tangibly related
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Speaker 1: to the criminal proceedings from being free from threats, intimidation, harassment,
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Speaker 1: and harm. Yet all of those things can happen to
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the former president of the United States of America,
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Speaker 1: while he's the front runner running for president, and while
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Speaker 1: everyone else can rip on him, he can't defend himself.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they say the judge did it great.
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Speaker 1: Justice Merchant properly determined the petitioner's public statements pose a significant.
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Speaker 2: Threat to the integrity.
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Speaker 1: The order goes on to say of the testimony of
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Speaker 1: witnesses and potential witnesses in this case as well. Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump's team argue that the gag order is unconstitutional. You
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Speaker 1: asked my question, ask me questions I'm not allowed to respond,
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Speaker 1: is what Trump told reporters Tuesday morning before walking into
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Speaker 1: the courtroom. Quote, the gag order has to come off,
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Speaker 1: the President said, I've got a lot more on this,
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Speaker 1: two Patriot. Now, let me go back to what Trump
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Speaker 1: had argued in this gag order, saying it is quote unconstitutional.
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Speaker 2: Earlier in May, New.
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Speaker 1: York court judge Merchant ruled for a second time that
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Speaker 1: Trump violated his gag order during the trial, holding him
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Speaker 1: in criminal contempt and threatening to jail him for any
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Speaker 1: further infractions. Merchant find Trump one thousand dollars for a
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Speaker 1: single violation, previously fined Trump for nine different violations.
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Speaker 2: Trump's tenth contempt defense.
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Speaker 1: Occurred before the last order and not afterwards. Trump did
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Speaker 1: not push the boundaries after the gag order ruling. Apparently
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Speaker 1: he was looking for the state to step in or
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Speaker 1: this appeals court, and they did not.
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Speaker 2: Now, obviously he can appeal.
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Speaker 1: Now we'll see what the president decides to do, which
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Speaker 1: brings me back to this court case. James Carvill. He's
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Speaker 1: a former Clinton strategist. James Carvill is a guy that
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Speaker 1: is well known in democratic circles to give brilliant advice to.
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Speaker 2: Democratic candidates and.
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Speaker 1: Causes losing his mind now because he says what we
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Speaker 1: were hoping was going to happen in this court case
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Speaker 1: is not working. Take a listen to what he had
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Speaker 1: to say, and then also what tw Shannon had to
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Speaker 1: say on the Trump hush money trial as well on
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Speaker 1: Fox Trump's.
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Speaker 3: Boy ahead than he's ever been more fewer people think
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Speaker 3: January sixth was of any kind of What it was
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Speaker 3: was an assault on the temple of democracy to a constitution.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, whatever you want to say, it's going
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Speaker 3: the wrong way. It's not working. Everything that we're throwing
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Speaker 3: is spaghetti at a wall, and none of it is
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Speaker 3: sticking me.
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Speaker 4: Included are you seeing and believing what you're hearing from
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Speaker 4: democratic and we.
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Speaker 2: Know who he is.
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Speaker 4: James Carville, analysts, strategists, wear's a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Hats right now.
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Speaker 4: He's wearing the hat of saying the quiet part out loud.
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Speaker 4: I thought the justice system was justice system, but he
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Speaker 4: says everything that Democrats are throwing at them, well, that's
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Speaker 4: an admission that this is all part of what some
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Speaker 4: kind of a game against Trump, and it's not working.
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Speaker 4: TW Shannon, former Oklahoma House speaker and attorney himself. When
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Speaker 4: you lose, James Carville and Al Sharpton saying similarly, like
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Speaker 4: how can democrats talk about January sixth. If all the
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Speaker 4: protesting is going on and so on and so forth,
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Speaker 4: we look like what we say we hate.
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Speaker 2: Or whatever I'm paraphrasing here.
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Speaker 5: It's like animal farm Haris where you know, we've all
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Speaker 5: become the pigs in this country now the very thing
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Speaker 5: we say we hate, the Democrats have actually become. I mean, listen,
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Speaker 5: this is what you've got to believe if you believe
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Speaker 5: this case. Because the Democrats can't be Donald Trump at
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Speaker 5: the ballot box. They're trying to beat them in the
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Speaker 5: jury box. But the truth is, this case is built
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Speaker 5: on two things. It's built on a liar, a professional liar,
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Speaker 5: and a whore. And I use that as a biblical
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Speaker 5: term because she's accepted money for sex. But you've got
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Speaker 5: the liar now who's actually horing himself out selling merch
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Speaker 5: and propaganda the trial.
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Speaker 6: And you've got the whore who's actually become the liar.
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Speaker 5: I mean, this whole case in and of itself flies
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Speaker 5: in the face of our very democracy, our republic, our
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Speaker 5: founding fathers are turning over because at the end of
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Speaker 5: the day, what you've got to believe, if you believe
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Speaker 5: the case of Alvin Brad's is that Donald Trump should
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Speaker 5: have used campaign funds in order to obtain this agreement
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Speaker 5: that he had with Stormy Daniels. As part of the
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Speaker 5: agreement that they have as a non disclosure. This is
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Speaker 5: not a campaign expense. Cohen even admitted it. Yes, Yes,
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Speaker 5: So the fact that this case has fallen apart, we
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Speaker 5: see it happening before our very eyes. And I'm so
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Speaker 5: glad we've got the Speaker of the House and others
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Speaker 5: there because this is a constitutional crisis that we're facing,
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Speaker 5: and these people have taken an oath of office. They
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Speaker 5: should be there in support of our president. Anybody should
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Speaker 5: who cares about this country in the constitution.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, he did admit to that yesterday.
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Speaker 2: He admitted he paid for it.
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Speaker 1: He admitted that he did this the way that Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump said it was done, and that he's also a
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Speaker 1: serial liar.
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Speaker 2: In Michael Cohen.
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Speaker 1: And yet the entire case hinges on his testimony. Many politicians,
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Speaker 1: by the way, on the Republican side are now stepping
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Speaker 1: up and showing a very focused support strategy for Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House Mike Johnson saying this earlier today
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Speaker 1: about the entire case.
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Speaker 7: President Trump is a friend, and I wanted to be
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Speaker 7: here to support him. I'm here speaking with you outside
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Speaker 7: because the court won't allow us to speak inside the building.
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Speaker 8: That's just one of the many things that are wrong here.
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Speaker 7: This is the fifth week that President Trump has been
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Speaker 7: in court for this sham of a trial. They are
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Speaker 7: doing this intentionally to keep him here and keep him
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Speaker 7: off of the campaign trail. I think everybody in the
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Speaker 7: country can see that for what it is. I'm an attorney,
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Speaker 7: I'm a former litigator myself.
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Speaker 8: I am disgusted by what is happening here.
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Speaker 7: What is being done here to our entire system of
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Speaker 7: justice overall. The people are losing faith right now in
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Speaker 7: this country, in our institutions. They're losing faith in our
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Speaker 7: system of justice. And the reason for that is because
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Speaker 7: they see it being abused as it is being done.
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Speaker 8: Here in New York. The facts here are very important.
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Speaker 7: Facts are always important in a trial, or at least
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Speaker 7: they're supposed to be. The President's actions in this matter
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Speaker 7: were previously reviewed and no charges were filed. Why is
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Speaker 7: that because there's no crime here. Now eight years later,
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Speaker 7: suddenly they've resurrected this thing. They brought it back, And
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Speaker 7: why is that we'll just apply common sense. Everyone can see.
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Speaker 7: It's painfully obvious that we are now six months out
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Speaker 7: from an election day, and that's the reason, that is
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Speaker 7: the reason why they brought these charges here and across
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Speaker 7: the country.
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Speaker 2: Eight years later, they brought it back.
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Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson absolutely rat right where he said, the facts
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Speaker 1: are very important. The facts are important in this trial,
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Speaker 1: at least they were supposed to be. And this is
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Speaker 1: a witch hunt. There was no crime, right, that's what
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Speaker 1: he said. The President's actions in this matter were previously
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Speaker 1: reviewed by the DOJ and no charges were filed. Why
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Speaker 1: is that because there was no crime here? Now eight
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Speaker 1: years later, suddenly they resurrect this saying they brought it back.
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Speaker 1: And why well, because it's six months out from an election,
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Speaker 1: and that's the reason. That's the reason why they brought
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Speaker 1: these charges here and across the country to try to
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Speaker 1: have real interference in this election.
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Speaker 2: Which brings me to Alan Dersowitz.
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Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz went on Newsmax and he said this about
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Speaker 1: the Democrats and what they're doing.
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Speaker 9: Purpose of this trial is threefold. Number one, to convict
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Speaker 9: him down and dirty before the election. Although we'll get
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Speaker 9: reversed after the election. Number two, to have a gag
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Speaker 9: order on him, and number three to keep him locked
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Speaker 9: up in the courtroom so he can't That's a campaign
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Speaker 9: and those goals may very well be accomplished. This is
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Speaker 9: election interference at its most obvious. And every American, no
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Speaker 9: matter whether you're for Trump or against them, I'm not
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Speaker 9: you know, I voted for Biden. Whatever your political affiliation is,
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Speaker 9: I'm a Democrat. You should be equally concerned about how
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Speaker 9: this legal system is being weaponized and abused for partisan purposes.
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Speaker 1: Alan Dirtzewitz, by the way, is no massive Trump fan.
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Speaker 1: To be clear, this is a guy that's been more liberal.
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Speaker 1: He's a guy that is a Harvard law professor.
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Speaker 2: But he is right.
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Speaker 1: The three reasons convict him down and dirty before the
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Speaker 1: election is to say, look, he's a convicted guy. Right,
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Speaker 1: This guy's a criminal. Donald Trump's a criminal. You don't
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Speaker 1: want a criminal, believe the president of the United States
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Speaker 1: of America.
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Speaker 8: Never.
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Speaker 1: By the way, don't let's not talk about comparing contrast
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Speaker 1: with the Biden crime family and what they've gotten away with.
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Speaker 1: But he's right that that's number one. Number two, he's
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Speaker 1: right to have a gaggard on him. So he can't
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Speaker 1: defend himself against the attacks from Michael Cohen or anyone
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Speaker 1: else in the left that is involved in this trial,
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Speaker 1: which is also again disgusting. And as he said number three,
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Speaker 1: which I actually think is the Democrat's most important reason
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Speaker 1: for doing this, and the timing of it, is to
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Speaker 1: keep Donald Trump locked up in the courtroom so he
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Speaker 1: can't go out on the campaign trail, and those goals
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Speaker 1: may very well be accomplished here. He said, this is
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Speaker 1: election interference, and it's most obvious in every American, no
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Speaker 1: matter whether you're for Trump or against him, you should
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Speaker 1: be able to see it. And I agree with him,
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Speaker 1: by the way, this is something that everyone should be
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Speaker 1: able to see.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that Republicans are coming to his aid. I
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Speaker 1: think this is a smart response. If you can't be
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Speaker 1: out there campaigning, then at least have people that are
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Speaker 1: out there at campaigning on your behalf, making statement on
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Speaker 1: your behalf, have a united front here to talk about
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Speaker 1: just how egregious all of this is.
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Speaker 2: Having the Speaker of the House.
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Speaker 1: Go to New York to this court to do this
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Speaker 1: press conference and to answer these questions and to bring
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Speaker 1: up these different things that he just did. Is exactly
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Speaker 1: what the conservative movement should be doing for Donald J.
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Speaker 1: Trump because he cannot campaign right now. And everybody knows it,
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Speaker 1: like every like, the Democrats know it, the media know it.
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Speaker 2: They all know it.
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Speaker 1: Byron Donald's said this outside the courthouse as well as
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Speaker 1: he was sitting there with Vivik Garramswami and others.
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Speaker 10: Listen, ladies and gentlemen of America. This this trial is
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Speaker 10: a joke. This thing is a farce. We were in
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Speaker 10: there all morning. Michael Cowen basically sat there and said, yeah,
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Speaker 10: he did voids legal expenses. The Trump campaign, the Trump organization,
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Speaker 10: not the campaign, paid out money in legal expenses. Where's
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Speaker 10: the crime. There is no crime. The crime that's happening
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Speaker 10: here is this Democrat judge and the Democrat Party prosecuting
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Speaker 10: their political rival right in the middle of a presidential election.
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Speaker 10: The crime here is that the issues facing our nation
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Speaker 10: are not being addressed by the Democrats, but they want
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Speaker 10: to go after Donald Trump.
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Speaker 8: And there's nothing wrong.
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Speaker 10: There's nothing that has been wrong here, nothing that has
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Speaker 10: been done poorly by President Trump. The only thing that's
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Speaker 10: being done wrong is by this judge. His daughter's making
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Speaker 10: money raising money for Democrats, and all of the fundraising
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Speaker 10: emails and all the fundraising things are about this trial
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Speaker 10: that his daughter is using. He will recuse himself. This
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Speaker 10: is a travesty of justice, This is a misuse of
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Speaker 10: the justice system. And look around New York. New York's
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Speaker 10: got plenty of issues. I'm from Brooklyn, New York. You
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Speaker 10: have all of NYPD's finance down here because of this
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Speaker 10: travesty going on in that courtroom. Meanwhile, the citizens of
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Speaker 10: New York are less safe, and the district attorney in
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Speaker 10: New York is not prosecuting real crime.
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Speaker 8: He's a sorrow's.
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Speaker 10: Back da going after his chief political rival in Donald Trump.
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Speaker 10: America is better than this, and so unfortunately it's going
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Speaker 10: to take the American people this November to let their
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Speaker 10: voices be heard on this travesty of justice that's occurring
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Speaker 10: and making sure that Donald Trump is the forty seventh
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Speaker 10: president of the United States.
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Speaker 1: Byron Donald's, I think brings up some really good points here.
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Speaker 1: And look, the media is filling this as well. George Stepanopolis,
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Speaker 1: former Press Secretary, White House Press Secretary, Bill Clinton, a
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Speaker 1: guy that you now know on NBC News or is
16:35
Speaker 1: it CBS. I can't even remember because I never watched
16:37
Speaker 1: it anymore, but he hosts that, you know, Good Morning America,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, and he was on MSNBC and one
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Speaker 1: of the things that he said on MSNBC is that
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Speaker 1: if Trump wins, the situation room quote unquote will be uncontrolled.
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Speaker 1: This is exactly what the media and the left said
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Speaker 1: last time. Trump was going to if he became president
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Speaker 1: in sixteen, Right, Oh, he's going to take us into
17:06
Speaker 1: World War three?
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Speaker 2: Did he put us in any wars? No, he didn't.
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Speaker 2: He did not put us in any wars.
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Speaker 10: Oh.
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Speaker 2: He can't be trusted with the nuclear codes.
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Speaker 8: Right?
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Speaker 1: What are the checks and balances that the president decides to,
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Speaker 1: you know, shoot a nuclear weapon in another country? Is
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Speaker 1: are people in place to stop him?
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Speaker 10: Right?
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Speaker 2: Those are the That was the media coverage.
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Speaker 1: You can't trust Donald Trump with nuclear weapons. He may
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Speaker 1: just wake up one day and decided to start blowing
17:33
Speaker 1: up the world. I guess Democrats think, all right, well
17:36
Speaker 1: we got to go back to that. It worked last time,
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Speaker 1: we might as well do it again this time. Listen
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Speaker 1: to George Stephanopol. Listen his own words.
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Speaker 11: It's going to be uncontrolled.
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Speaker 10: You know.
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Speaker 11: One of the things that I point out, and others
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Speaker 11: pointed out as well. But I pointed out in my
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Speaker 11: chapter on President Trump is the most damning testimony of
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Speaker 11: his confidence and character comes from those who had the
17:53
Speaker 11: most senior level positions in the White House situation where
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Speaker 11: he was supered under them. From James Mattis, Defense Secretary,
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Speaker 11: From John Bolton, his National Security advisor, From John Kelly,
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Speaker 11: his White House chief of staff, who all talk about
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Speaker 11: how frightened they are by the prospect that he would
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Speaker 11: become president again, apparently with no guardrails, without the kind
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Speaker 11: of people who are serving him in the first term.
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Speaker 11: Instead of having guardrails, it appears that he's going to
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Speaker 11: have a bunch of enablers like those who see you
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Speaker 11: sitting with him in the courtroom over the last several days,
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Speaker 11: and something that is chilling to many of those who
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Speaker 11: served in the situation room and during the first administration
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Speaker 11: but are no longer supporting President Trump.
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Speaker 1: I love, by the way, how the left they do this.
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Speaker 1: They start bringing up all these guys like John Kelly.
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Speaker 1: They hated John Kelly, by the way, they hate John Bolton, right,
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Speaker 1: these people that they bring up now acting like they're
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Speaker 1: great statesman and James Mattis. These guys were the biggest
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Speaker 1: scumbags in the world when they were working for Trump
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Speaker 1: in the eyes of the media, and now they're like, oh,
18:57
Speaker 1: well there's some sort of great heroes here. These are
19:01
Speaker 1: patriots and Donald Trump's not going to have them around him.
19:04
Speaker 1: Do you remember how much they ripped on Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: and his National Security Advisor John Bolton? Do you remember
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Speaker 1: that they're like, oh, he's a racist, is a bigot
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Speaker 1: his NFO.
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Speaker 2: Remember that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now they're like, oh, he's a great patriot because
19:17
Speaker 1: he's speaking out against Trump. Let me also play for
19:21
Speaker 1: you something that I think is interesting. And Jonathan you
19:24
Speaker 1: was on Fox News. He's a law professor, and he
19:28
Speaker 1: was talking about the Trump trial in general, and Michael
19:32
Speaker 1: Cohen being there and saying, you know, Mike Cohen confirms
19:36
Speaker 1: he threatened to sue companies on behalf of Trump. Remember
19:39
Speaker 1: he was the man, right, He was a big man
19:41
Speaker 1: with a big stick, who now is making money off
19:43
Speaker 1: of attacking his former client. Actually not making money, making
19:47
Speaker 1: a living off of being a Trump hater. He's a
19:50
Speaker 1: guy that's also been convicted of line. So if you
19:54
Speaker 1: want to know if you should trust this guy, look
19:56
Speaker 1: at his rap sheet. But listen to what he has
19:59
Speaker 1: to say a out this trial. It's very interesting perspective Nation.
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Speaker 12: It's good to have you, John. I want you to
20:04
Speaker 12: listen to President Trump. This is right before court today
20:08
Speaker 12: declaring his innocence.
20:10
Speaker 11: There's a political witches and nobody's ever seen anything like that.
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Speaker 9: I tell you what the Abello Division on the judges.
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Speaker 3: You step in because this judge is getting away with
20:21
Speaker 3: this racial including the.
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Speaker 13: Fact that we have thousands of people, we have one
20:26
Speaker 13: hundred thousands of people in the jujus they would like
20:29
Speaker 13: to show their support.
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Speaker 2: John.
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Speaker 12: Is it possible that the appellate division would step in here?
20:33
Speaker 12: I mean that seems highly unusual, but it's not totally
20:36
Speaker 12: out of the question, is it, Teane.
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Speaker 6: I think it's unlikely.
20:39
Speaker 13: I think what the Court's going to do is let
20:42
Speaker 13: Judge Merchon finish out the trial, get to a verdict,
20:46
Speaker 13: and then hear all the legal issues at the same time.
20:49
Speaker 13: And part of that is because this case is so
20:51
Speaker 13: riddled with mistakes and problems that the appellate Court would
20:54
Speaker 13: have to pingpong this quick case back and forth with
20:57
Speaker 13: this trial judge repeatedly if it was going to try
21:00
Speaker 13: to fix all the errors. As I went on.
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Speaker 6: Part of that is the trial judges.
21:04
Speaker 13: I think strategy here is just to steamroll through all
21:07
Speaker 13: the problems, all the ones you've been hearing about on
21:09
Speaker 13: your panel this morning, with the failure to find any
21:12
Speaker 13: kind of legal crimes that have been committed, the failure
21:16
Speaker 13: to connect what happened last week with that explosive Stormy
21:19
Speaker 13: Daniel's testimony with the actual charges, the problems with ambiguity
21:24
Speaker 13: of the indictment, not even telling President Trump what the
21:26
Speaker 13: real crimes are. So I think this is going to
21:28
Speaker 13: have to wait for a pellet review before it could
21:31
Speaker 13: be fixed. Maybe Judge Child will come to a census
21:33
Speaker 13: and it quit Trump before they even have to add on.
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Speaker 12: So I know, I know, I just had to ask
21:37
Speaker 12: in case how the president brings it up. I like
21:40
Speaker 12: to ask a smart person about it, and that would
21:41
Speaker 12: be you today.
21:42
Speaker 14: Cohen is now describing how they communicated with each other.
21:45
Speaker 14: He says Trump never had an email address. Cohen says
21:48
Speaker 14: Trump made comments about people quote getting in trouble or
21:51
Speaker 14: gone down as a direct result of using emails because
21:54
Speaker 14: prosecutors can follow the paper trayal So that's Cohen, I's
21:58
Speaker 14: wrong I thought, as we have seen time and time again,
22:02
Speaker 14: Jonathan Turlely, jump on back in here, because it seems
22:06
Speaker 14: pretty straightforward now, like the trial's been clarified, and it's
22:11
Speaker 14: been clarified to this point. It's Cohen's word against everybody else.
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Speaker 2: Do you see it that way?
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Speaker 6: Well, well, we've already learned a couple of things.
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Speaker 15: One is that a vortex did not open up the
22:25
Speaker 15: minute Cohen took the oath, and I have the entire
22:28
Speaker 15: courtroom disappear into another world, so we can check that off.
22:33
Speaker 15: Because the fact that Cohen is taking yet another oath
22:37
Speaker 15: itself was quite an attraction. And obviously he's going to
22:42
Speaker 15: get queasin arted on cross examination. But it was really
22:46
Speaker 15: interesting before his testimony to watch this effort to get
22:50
Speaker 15: in the agreement of the accountant. That was such an
22:55
Speaker 15: obvious and dishonest move by the prosecutors.
22:59
Speaker 6: You have to under whether this judge.
23:01
Speaker 15: Is having second thoughts about his failure to stop this
23:07
Speaker 15: case or at least force the prosecution to be clear
23:09
Speaker 15: about it. There's nothing stopping the prosecutor from calling that accountant,
23:14
Speaker 15: So the introduction of that agreement was clearly intended to
23:19
Speaker 15: suggest to the jury they have some smoking gun evidence,
23:24
Speaker 15: but because of this agreement they can't present it. That's
23:27
Speaker 15: entirely untrue, and so the Merchant was right to say,
23:31
Speaker 15: I'm not going to let you do that. But it
23:34
Speaker 15: goes to how this is a potent and village of
23:37
Speaker 15: a case. They're proving stuff that's not an evidence while
23:41
Speaker 15: leaving suggestions of stuff that is an evidence with the jury.
23:46
Speaker 6: So the thing to keep in mind is when.
23:49
Speaker 15: The prosecution wraps up its case, the defense will stand
23:54
Speaker 15: up and make a standard motion for a directed verdict
23:57
Speaker 15: to say that there's insufficient evidence to support a i'm
24:00
Speaker 15: in this case. That's an extremely powerful argument because you've
24:03
Speaker 15: seen we're still debating what that crime is. Even on
24:07
Speaker 15: this network, you have people disagreeing as to what the
24:11
Speaker 15: theory of this case is, and the prosecution is about
24:14
Speaker 15: to wrap. Now what the prosecution is worried about is
24:17
Speaker 15: that even Judge Merchant may just say, you know what,
24:20
Speaker 15: I gave you a shot and you didn't sink it,
24:23
Speaker 15: and so I'm going to direct this verdict.
24:26
Speaker 6: I'm going to issue an acquittal.
24:28
Speaker 15: The way they're going to get around that is to
24:30
Speaker 15: just get Cohen to say this happened, that he intentionally
24:35
Speaker 15: wanted me to put out and wanted this to be
24:37
Speaker 15: a legal expense. He intentionally was committing fraud. He was
24:40
Speaker 15: trying to conceal campaign violations, even though very few people
24:44
Speaker 15: on Earth would believe Michael Cohen.
24:47
Speaker 6: The prosecutors will then.
24:48
Speaker 15: Argue to the judge, that is a credibility question, judge,
24:53
Speaker 15: and you need to let this go to the jury.
24:55
Speaker 15: Whether you believe him or not, that is a fat
24:59
Speaker 15: question for the jury. That is their entire strategy. And
25:03
Speaker 15: so as unbelievable as Cohen may be, I don't think
25:06
Speaker 15: the prosecutors think he will be believable.
25:08
Speaker 6: They just want him to check a bog.
25:10
Speaker 1: Now, if you just listen to what Turley said there,
25:13
Speaker 1: and you listen to what the other law professor said.
25:15
Speaker 1: At the very beginning, they're saying, Okay, you've got to
25:20
Speaker 1: hope right that this jury is smart enough to understand
25:26
Speaker 1: when they're being misled. You have to hope that this
25:31
Speaker 1: jury is going to be honest and isn't a jury
25:34
Speaker 1: stacked with Trump haters. Remember, they picked Manhattan on purpose,
25:38
Speaker 1: and they picked Manhattan on purpose because they knew that
25:41
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the people they're voted against Donald Trump.
25:45
Speaker 1: So they thought, I think it would be easy, right,
25:47
Speaker 1: It would be really easy for them to be able to,
25:50
Speaker 1: you know, find a bunch of people. They're like, yeah,
25:53
Speaker 1: let's put Donald Trump in jail. And if we can't
25:56
Speaker 1: do that, at least let's find him, you know, find
25:59
Speaker 1: him guilty of of committing a crime. So then the
26:03
Speaker 1: Democrats can run against him and say, see, he's a criminal,
26:06
Speaker 1: because the appeal wouldn't happen and the case will be
26:10
Speaker 1: overturned on appeal. I have no doubt about it in
26:14
Speaker 1: a higher court. Every legal scholar has said that, on
26:16
Speaker 1: the left and the right, and they want to be
26:19
Speaker 1: able to.
26:19
Speaker 2: Use this to run against him for the election.
26:22
Speaker 1: And plus, now he's in court being mandate to stay
26:25
Speaker 1: in New York in this court.
26:26
Speaker 2: Now it's been.
26:27
Speaker 1: Five weeks, So for five weeks, Donald Trump has not
26:31
Speaker 1: been on the road campaigning. And that's the most valuable
26:35
Speaker 1: thing to the Biden campaign. This is basically a massive
26:40
Speaker 1: in kind contribution to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris for
26:44
Speaker 1: president twenty twenty four.
26:46
Speaker 2: Now, there was one.
26:47
Speaker 1: Other question that was asked of Jonathan Turley, and I
26:50
Speaker 1: want you to listen to this because I think He
26:52
Speaker 1: brings up a great point about this judge possibly having
26:56
Speaker 1: second thoughts.
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Speaker 14: You're arguing that the judges having second thoughts about previous
27:03
Speaker 14: decisions that have been made in this case. And I
27:05
Speaker 14: would just add to that, Jonathan, it came from the
27:08
Speaker 14: bench on Friday afternoon when the judge told the state
27:11
Speaker 14: to tell Michael Cohen.
27:13
Speaker 2: To stop talking, And that was after all the tiktoks
27:16
Speaker 2: came out, all the tweets, etc.
27:17
Speaker 6: Etc.
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Speaker 14: You're making a case now that the judge thinks they
27:23
Speaker 14: may have gone too far.
27:24
Speaker 6: No, I'm not saying that judges having second thoughts. He
27:28
Speaker 6: might be.
27:29
Speaker 15: I can't imagine that any competent lawyer at this point
27:33
Speaker 15: would not be embarrassed by what has happened in this courtroom.
27:36
Speaker 15: This is an utter disgrace that this case has gotten
27:40
Speaker 15: this far, and I would.
27:42
Speaker 6: Hope that he would have second thoughts.
27:44
Speaker 15: But keep in mind when he told when he told
27:47
Speaker 15: the prosecutors, can you tell Michael Cohen to cut it out?
27:50
Speaker 6: Stop the antics? Am I going to tell you I
27:53
Speaker 6: was not.
27:53
Speaker 15: One of those complimenting the judge. Why wouldn't you do
27:57
Speaker 15: that at the beginning of the trial. You were doing
27:59
Speaker 15: that weekend before he testified. This guy has been out
28:03
Speaker 15: there with a three ring circus going on, and you
28:06
Speaker 15: haven't said a thing, and then suddenly said, it'd be
28:09
Speaker 15: nice if we can go through the weekend without him
28:10
Speaker 15: trolling for dollars on TikTok.
28:13
Speaker 2: Jonathan Turley is absolutely right.
28:16
Speaker 1: Don't be impressed by this judge saying that the week
28:19
Speaker 1: you know, days before he's about to testify. Hey be
28:25
Speaker 1: impressed right by by by the fact that this judge
28:28
Speaker 1: is said to knock it off to Michael Cohen, who's
28:32
Speaker 1: the entire basically case against Donald Trump.
28:37
Speaker 2: He should have done it at the very beginning.
28:39
Speaker 1: But you've got to understand, this judge is all in
28:44
Speaker 1: to go down in history as the guy who got
28:47
Speaker 1: a conviction against Donald Trump and then got to sentence him.
28:51
Speaker 2: That's his motivation here.
28:53
Speaker 1: Now is he embarrassed by maybe just how bad the
28:56
Speaker 1: prosecution is done here?
28:58
Speaker 2: There is a chance of that.
29:01
Speaker 1: Is he embarrassed at the fact that how bad this
29:04
Speaker 1: case has been this court, his court, he has run
29:08
Speaker 1: this case there also, I think you could argue was
29:11
Speaker 1: a chance of that and maybe he realizes, now, hey,
29:14
Speaker 1: I got to live with this, right, I have to
29:18
Speaker 1: really live with this the rest of my career, that
29:23
Speaker 1: I had this you know what showcase, and I was
29:26
Speaker 1: interfering with an election, and I was allowing the prosecutor
29:30
Speaker 1: to politicize my courtroom to a point where I couldn't
29:34
Speaker 1: even defend it anymore. And their case was so weak,
29:38
Speaker 1: which again I go back to what I said earlier
29:40
Speaker 1: about this. This case was so weak that eight years
29:43
Speaker 1: ago the FED said there is no case here. They
29:46
Speaker 1: resurrected it only to go after Donald Trump and to
29:50
Speaker 1: try to turn him in to some sort of criminal,
29:54
Speaker 1: so that Joe Biden could barely walk onto a stage,
29:57
Speaker 1: read a teleprompter and go that guy's a good felling
30:01
Speaker 1: you don't want to that guy's been convicted, or that
30:04
Speaker 1: guy's going to jail right like. They needed to give
30:07
Speaker 1: him that talking point. And even if it didn't work,
30:12
Speaker 1: the question is did it Because if your ultimate goal
30:16
Speaker 1: is to keep Donald Trump out of the White House,
30:19
Speaker 1: taking him off the campaign trail for five weeks could
30:23
Speaker 1: turn into six weeks or even longer, we don't know yet.
30:28
Speaker 1: But if you can take him off off of the
30:32
Speaker 1: campaign trail, did you accomplish your ultimate goal, which was
30:37
Speaker 1: to weaken and not give him the advantage of being
30:39
Speaker 1: able to travel and campaign for president of the United
30:43
Speaker 1: States of America.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep covering this trial.
30:46
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30:50
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